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2008-02-13 22:39 < White_Cat> US is neither ready for a women or bald president
2008-02-13 22:39 < NotACow> clinton's campaign is starting to unravel
2008-02-13 22:39 < quanticle> Monobi: In my estimation, selecting Clinton will hand the country to McCain. Clinton simply has too many skeletons in her closet.
2008-02-13 22:39 < Xihix> Is it true that Hillary has a penis?
2008-02-13 22:39 < Lubaf> Clinton moves conservatives. Obama doesn't.
2008-02-13 22:39 < NotACow> White_Cat: uh, dwight d. eisenhower was bald.
2008-02-13 22:39 < OverlordQ> so what do you tell somebody who claims to be representing a living person and are making edits to LP's page?
2008-02-13 22:39 < Monobi> quanticle, but Obama doesn't stand much of a chance either
2008-02-13 22:40 < quanticle> NotACow: Well, maybe. Remember, McCain was in a much worse position last year.
2008-02-13 22:40 < White_Cat> NotACow but he was also an Eisenhower
2008-02-13 22:40 < Samizdat> Hillary Obama or Barack Clinton, take your pick.
2008-02-13 22:40 < noclip> White_Cat: record young and black voter turnout says otherwise
2008-02-13 22:40 < quanticle> Monobi: A better chance than Clinton.
2008-02-13 22:40 < NotACow> i think gerald ford was too
2008-02-13 22:40 < White_Cat> and his rival was bald
2008-02-13 22:40 < Monobi> Nah
2008-02-13 22:40 < kenlyric> every argument that suggests clinton will lose is also used to indicate obama will lose.
2008-02-13 22:40 < Samizdat> There ain' a dime's worth of difference between 'em.
2008-02-13 22:40 < NotACow> then again, he wasn't elected
2008-02-13 22:40 < Monobi> McCain will win the whole thing regardless of the democrat nom
2008-02-13 22:40 < Lubaf> Ah, a troll.
2008-02-13 22:40 < kenlyric> not even a remote chance
2008-02-13 22:40 < quanticle> Monobi: What's your justification for that?
2008-02-13 22:40 < Lubaf> How delightful!
2008-02-13 22:40 < NotACow> right now "obama to win the presidency" is trading at about 50 on intrade.
2008-02-13 22:40 < White_Cat> Samizdat oh I dont know
2008-02-13 22:40 < Lubaf> quanticle: His Troll senses.
2008-02-13 22:40 < Samizdat> Which brand of Stalinism do you want: Clinton's, Obama's, or McCain's?
2008-02-13 22:40 < White_Cat> one lacks the balls
2008-02-13 22:41 < Monobi> quanticle, McCain is middle of the road, even if he says he isn't
2008-02-13 22:41 < jeremyb> why do wikipedians have so many ircsocks?
2008-02-13 22:41 < Monobi> Samizdat, McCain's please
2008-02-13 22:41 < Xihix> RON PAUL 08
2008-02-13 22:41 < Monobi> Xihix, Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance
2008-02-13 22:41 < jeremyb> Xihix: really?
2008-02-13 22:41 < NotACow> obama to win the nom is at 74.7
2008-02-13 22:41 < Xihix> yes.
2008-02-13 22:41 < NotACow> clinton at 24.7
2008-02-13 22:41 < quanticle> Monobi: I admire and respect McCain, but I'm going to look askance at anyone who says that we'
2008-02-13 22:41 < Samizdat> McCain the songbird.
2008-02-13 22:41 < Monobi> I like Mike Huckabee, mainly for his fairtax plan
2008-02-13 22:41 < quanticle> ll occupy Iraq like Korea
2008-02-13 22:41 < Xihix> If there is a brokered convention for the Republicans
2008-02-13 22:41 < quanticle> Monobi: Fairtax is crap.
2008-02-13 22:41 < Monobi> If anyone else was endorsing the fairtax plan, I'd support them
2008-02-13 22:41 < Xihix> I GUARENTEE that Paul will win
2008-02-13 22:41 < kenlyric> Monobi: what about his armageddon plan?
2008-02-13 22:41 < Monobi> FairTax is better than anything we have now
2008-02-13 22:41 < jeremyb> Monobi: what's the fan?
2008-02-13 22:42 < jeremyb> plan*
2008-02-13 22:42 < Alkivar> lol this schmuck spent 6mil on an a/v room... using "cryogenically treated power breakers" and all sorts of other audiophile nonsense: http://blog.audiovideointeriors.com/208great/
2008-02-13 22:42 < kenlyric> see, I don't want another president who thinks the world is going to end next thursday
2008-02-13 22:42 < Samizdat> Ron Paul's the candidate the gnomes don't want you to know about.
2008-02-13 22:42 < kenlyric> because, that didn't work this time around.
2008-02-13 22:42 < Monobi> kenlyric, his armageddan plan?
2008-02-13 22:42 < quanticle> Monobi: The Fairtax will have to be much higher than Huck says it will be in order to actually make up for the loss of income tax revenue.
2008-02-13 22:42 < quanticle> Monobi: Economists say it'll have to be north of 30%
2008-02-13 22:42 < OverlordQ> 6 million!?
2008-02-13 22:42 < Monobi> quanticle, or the gov't will need to cut spending
2008-02-13 22:42 < Monobi> jeremyb, [[FairTax]]
2008-02-13 22:42 < kenlyric> the plan that keeps him from being responsible for anything because Jesus is coming.
2008-02-13 22:42 < OverlordQ> Probably from all the glass they had to blow for his vacuum tubes :D
2008-02-13 22:42 < Ceiling_Cat> oh god, not the fair tax
2008-02-13 22:42 < Ceiling_Cat> "fair" tax
2008-02-13 22:42 < NotACow> clinton is at 16.0 to win
2008-02-13 22:42 < noclip> what we need is a significantly lower federal income tax and a smallish national sales tax
2008-02-13 22:42 < Ceiling_Cat> let
2008-02-13 22:42 < NotACow> mccain at 33
2008-02-13 22:42 < NotACow> obama at 52
2008-02-13 22:43 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, you can play my 30% income tax then please
2008-02-13 22:43 < Monobi> *pay
2008-02-13 22:43 < Ceiling_Cat> noclip - no, that's a horrible idea
2008-02-13 22:43 < Samizdat> Is this channel as full of wikiality as the website?
2008-02-13 22:43 < quanticle> Also, don't forget that the fair tax is regressive. It takes more from the poor.
2008-02-13 22:43 < Monobi> quanticle, it's a flat rate, no?
2008-02-13 22:43 < kenlyric> nonon, i'ts FAIR!
2008-02-13 22:43 < NotACow> the "fair tax
2008-02-13 22:43 < Monobi> Progessive taxation is a horrid idea
2008-02-13 22:43 < NotACow> the "fair tax" isn't fair
2008-02-13 22:43 < quanticle> Samizdat: Not really. Actually, I find that this channel has less wikiality than the site.
2008-02-13 22:43 < Lubaf> Could somebody please kickban Monobi?
2008-02-13 22:43 < Lubaf> Please?
2008-02-13 22:43 < Monobi> Lubaf, why?
2008-02-13 22:43 < kenlyric> fair tax is fine with 100k standard deduction
2008-02-13 22:43 < Samizdat> quanticle: good
2008-02-13 22:43 < NotACow> Lubaf: why, just because he's a troll?
2008-02-13 22:43 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - I'll explain it very simply. When you make money, you can save it or spend it. Rich people save it. Poor people spend it. A sales tax taxes money that is spent, not saved
2008-02-13 22:43 < quanticle> Monobi: But its not proportional to income.
2008-02-13 22:44 < NotACow> kenlyric: heh
2008-02-13 22:44 < noclip> what we need is superregressive taxes
2008-02-13 22:44 < Ceiling_Cat> therefore, poor people pay it at a high rate than rich people do.
2008-02-13 22:44 < noclip> 95% tax on the poor
2008-02-13 22:44 < White_Cat> why has not Mike Gravel quit?
2008-02-13 22:44 < Samizdat> The income tax is a fraud.
2008-02-13 22:44 < noclip> 1% on the rich
2008-02-13 22:44 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, well they'll need to learn to save it
2008-02-13 22:44 < NotACow> poor people don't save because they can't
2008-02-13 22:44 < kenlyric> poor people are dumb
2008-02-13 22:44 < Samizdat> The Federal Reserve is a fraud.
2008-02-13 22:44 < Monobi> it's not rock scientist
2008-02-13 22:44 < quanticle> noclip: Heh. Feudal taxes?
2008-02-13 22:44 < kenlyric> they waste money on food and clothes
2008-02-13 22:44 < Monobi> *science
2008-02-13 22:44 < NotACow> you can't save money if you have none left over
2008-02-13 22:44 < kenlyric> not health care though
2008-02-13 22:44 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - Yes, I suppose they'll refrain from buying food
2008-02-13 22:44 < Xihix> question, are [[VlCD]] dangerous?
2008-02-13 22:44 < noclip> and as for healthcare
2008-02-13 22:44 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, er, it doesn't apply to people below the poverty line
2008-02-13 22:44 < noclip> clearly, poor people don't deserve to live
2008-02-13 22:44 < Monobi> or on used goods
2008-02-13 22:45 < NotACow> noclip: of course not.
2008-02-13 22:45 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - a sales tax applies to all goods
2008-02-13 22:45 < Ceiling_Cat> erm
2008-02-13 22:45 < Samizdat> I haven't filed a return since 2000, if not earlier.
2008-02-13 22:45 < Ceiling_Cat> all people
2008-02-13 22:45 < Ceiling_Cat> buying the same goods
2008-02-13 22:45 < NotACow> Monobi: you have to pay sales tax on used goods in every state that has a sales tax
2008-02-13 22:45 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, the fairtax plan doesn't
2008-02-13 22:45 < kenlyric> rich people get their influence through bribing, they shouldn't be allowed to vote
2008-02-13 22:45 < quanticle> Monobi: The poverty line is set artificially low. You can be above the official "poverty" line and still not make enough to live.
2008-02-13 22:45 < Monobi> quanticle, indeed
2008-02-13 22:45 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - what are you going to do, give people a poor card?
2008-02-13 22:45 < jeremyb> Monobi: hrmm... so then what about someone that saved a few years and has already paid tax on money they've saved... now they pay tax again when they decide to use it?
2008-02-13 22:45 < noclip> the poverty line is a joke
2008-02-13 22:45 < Monobi> quanticle, that's why progressive taxation doesn't work either
2008-02-13 22:45 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, er, does the gov't not do that with handouts?
2008-02-13 22:46 < Monobi> jeremyb, well, that would happen switching over to the plan
2008-02-13 22:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - it does that with some things, but unless you have some kind of ID identifying you as exempt from the sales tax, they are going to pay it
2008-02-13 22:46 < Ceiling_Cat> which is why it's inherently unfair
2008-02-13 22:46 < jeremyb> Monobi: there's no remedy for that in the plan?
2008-02-13 22:46 < Samizdat> quanticle: those who once bandied about the term "low income" and "poverty" are now being foreclosed.
2008-02-13 22:46 < NotACow> my property taxes went up this year
2008-02-13 22:46 < Monobi> jeremyb, there probably is, I'm not sure
2008-02-13 22:46 < quanticle> Samizdat: Heh.
2008-02-13 22:47 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, I'm sure some gov't program would be created to deal with it
2008-02-13 22:47 < Samizdat> The great middle class is finding out you can't make $100,000 a year but spend $150,000.
2008-02-13 22:47 < Ceiling_Cat> what we need to do is substantially raise taxes on unearned income (e.g, rich people), and give poor people a break
2008-02-13 22:47 < NotACow> democratic president and democratic majorities in both houses: 56.8
2008-02-13 22:47 < noclip> bleh
2008-02-13 22:47 < noclip> there is no middle class
2008-02-13 22:47 < noclip> it's rich and poor
2008-02-13 22:47 < NotACow> republican president, democratic majorities in both houses: 31.5
2008-02-13 22:47 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, progressive taxation is a terrible idea
2008-02-13 22:47 < jeremyb> NotACow: {{fact}}
2008-02-13 22:47 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - no, it's not. In fact, it's a moral imperative
2008-02-13 22:47 < NotACow> jeremyb: www.intrade.com
2008-02-13 22:47 < quanticle> noclip: O RLY?
2008-02-13 22:47 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, how's that? the harder you work the more money you should pay?
2008-02-13 22:48 < noclip> YA RLY
2008-02-13 22:48 < NotACow> Monobi: yes.
2008-02-13 22:48 < Samizdat> Monobi: don't tell that to Hillary Obama.
2008-02-13 22:48 < FastLizard4|busy> noclip: If there was no middle class, free market economy would now work
2008-02-13 22:48 < Monobi> NotACow, ?
2008-02-13 22:48 < quanticle> noclip: It depends on how you define it, but certainly the income distribution in the US is fairly gaussian.
2008-02-13 22:48 < FastLizard4|busy> s/now/not
2008-02-13 22:48 < NotACow> Monobi: the more money you make, the more you should have to pay
2008-02-13 22:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - how hard you work has nothing to do with the amount of money you make
2008-02-13 22:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Case and point: Paris Hilton
2008-02-13 22:48 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, er, that's nonsense
2008-02-13 22:48 < Ceiling_Cat> (versus my local garbage collector)
2008-02-13 22:48 < noclip> how fairly is "fairly"?
2008-02-13 22:48 < NotACow> the highest income individuals don't work at all
2008-02-13 22:48 < Samizdat> He/she thinks the ten planks of the "Communist Manifesto" are the best thing since buttered bread.
2008-02-13 22:48 < NotACow> THIS CHANNEL IS FULL OF TROLLS
2008-02-13 22:48 < jeremyb> Ceiling_Cat: not everything but not nothing either
2008-02-13 22:49 < quanticle> noclip: As opposed to third-world income distributions, where there's an extremely long tail towards the higher incomes.
2008-02-13 22:49 < Samizdat> By the way, you are all aware that most of the ten planks have already been implemented in U.S.?
2008-02-13 22:49 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, I'm sure if trump sat around all day long and didn't work he'd be rich
2008-02-13 22:49 < NotACow> THERE'S ONE NOW
2008-02-13 22:49 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - the richest people make their money off of the interest of money they already have (e.g, the Waltons, Bill Gates)
2008-02-13 22:49 < quanticle> Samizdat: What are the ten planks?
2008-02-13 22:49 < Ceiling_Cat> so don't give me that bullshit that the harder you work the more money you make
2008-02-13 22:49 < noclip> you've got sub-$300,000 earners (almost everybody), and then you've got people who can buy aircraft carriers
2008-02-13 22:49 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: often on money that they didn't even personally earn
2008-02-13 22:49 < Samizdat> progressive income tax
2008-02-13 22:49 < Ceiling_Cat> I know a *HELLEVA* lot of grad students who work 12+ hours a day for crumbs
2008-02-13 22:49 < noclip> you don't see many in between
2008-02-13 22:49 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: none of the current waltons actually worked to earn any of that money; it's all inherited from sam, who's dead.
2008-02-13 22:49 < Samizdat> public school system
2008-02-13 22:50 < quanticle> noclip: Or two or three small countries.
2008-02-13 22:50 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, well, Bill Gates started out in his garage, why should he have to pay more taxes? Because he was smart enough to figure out how the system works?
2008-02-13 22:50 < Monobi> Supply and demand.
2008-02-13 22:50 < NotACow> Monobi: yes, exactly so.
2008-02-13 22:50 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - his money was ill-gotten
2008-02-13 22:50 < Messedrocker> he should pay more taxes because he is more privileged
2008-02-13 22:50 < Ceiling_Cat> not a good example
2008-02-13 22:50 < Messedrocker> he needs to share his good fortunes with the people
2008-02-13 22:50 < Monobi> Messedrocker, that's nonsense
2008-02-13 22:50 < NotACow> Monobi: if you have that much excess cash you're obliged to give it away
2008-02-13 22:50 < Messedrocker> even after taxes he owns more than everyone
2008-02-13 22:50 < Monobi> It's his money.
2008-02-13 22:50 < White_Cat> Messedrocker well
2008-02-13 22:50 < noclip> Monobi: bill gates started out rich
2008-02-13 22:50 < NotACow> Monobi: no, it's society's money.
2008-02-13 22:50 < White_Cat> he could give it to me instead
2008-02-13 22:50 < Krimpet> Bill Gates is still making a helluva lot of money anyway, even if his taxes are higher.
2008-02-13 22:50 < Monobi> NotACow, that's communism
2008-02-13 22:50 < noclip> at least, rich by normal standards
2008-02-13 22:50 < White_Cat> I would properly donate it
2008-02-13 22:50 < NotACow> property only exists to the extent that society allows it to exist.
2008-02-13 22:50 < Samizdat> I've given 20% of them, quanticle, which is better than most here could do without Google.
2008-02-13 22:50 < quanticle> Messedrocker: That's vaguely disturbing if the government decides what I "need" to share with my neighbors.
2008-02-13 22:51 < Messedrocker> quanticle, society doesn't work if you hog it all
2008-02-13 22:51 < NotACow> if you seek to own property in a way that is offensive to society, society will take it away from you.
2008-02-13 22:51 < quanticle> Messedrocker: I have no qualm with the government taking for improving common resources, like roads and suck
2008-02-13 22:51 < quanticle> *such
2008-02-13 22:51 < Monobi> If you make 100,000 dollars a year in the US, you only get 70,000 of it. You pay 30% income tax.
2008-02-13 22:51 < quanticle> But direct income redistribution is wrong IMHO.
2008-02-13 22:51 < Monobi> That's nonsense.
2008-02-13 22:51 < NotACow> Monobi: nonsense.
2008-02-13 22:51 < Monobi> 100,000 isn't even rich!
2008-02-13 22:51 < NotACow> Monobi: if you earn $100,000, you'll probably only pay about $8,000
2008-02-13 22:51 < Krimpet> progressive taxation is good because it at least fairly distributes the burden we all need to pay for the government to run
2008-02-13 22:52 < NotACow> maybe $10,000 if you are really stupid in your tax planning
2008-02-13 22:52 < Monobi> NotACow, er, no.
2008-02-13 22:52 < quanticle> Monobi: Nonsense. That's if you don't claim any exemptions or anything.
2008-02-13 22:52 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - Warren Buffet offered $1 million in cash to any other member of the Forbes 500 who could prove he payed taxes at a higher rate than their secretaries
2008-02-13 22:52 < Ceiling_Cat> Nobody took him up on the offer
2008-02-13 22:52 < Luna-San> Lesson of the day: Mozart's requiems do not gel with THUMPIN MEGA BASSZ from the cars outside
2008-02-13 22:52 < quanticle> Monobi: Also, if you don't invest your money and don't claim capital gains.
2008-02-13 22:52 < Monobi> quanticle, the taxes in minnesota are crazy.
2008-02-13 22:52 < White_Cat> can an admin please speedy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Black-on-White_crime
2008-02-13 22:52 < Monobi> What's wrong with a flat tax rate? That's fair.
2008-02-13 22:52 < quanticle> Monobi: I'm in Minnesota too. My parents together make more than 100k. We don't pay that much tax.
2008-02-13 22:52 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - holy shit, no, it's not
2008-02-13 22:52 < NotACow> STOP ARGUING WITH THE TROLL
2008-02-13 22:53 < Monobi> Is a troll someone you disagree with?
2008-02-13 22:53 < quanticle> NotACow: Awww, its fun though....
2008-02-13 22:53 < Monobi> Or is it my lack of a project cloak?
2008-02-13 22:53 < Monobi> blame seanw if it's the latter
2008-02-13 22:53 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, what's not fair about it?
2008-02-13 22:53 < Messedrocker> quanticle, that's what i meant. taking the money people earned to make life better for everyone
2008-02-13 22:53 < Monobi> Messedrocker, it's their money.
2008-02-13 22:53 < Samizdat> Following are the ten planks and their modern American legislative counterparts (source http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/com-man.html ):
2008-02-13 22:53 < Monobi> They can do whatever they want with it.
2008-02-13 22:53 < Messedrocker> you live in a society. deal with it
2008-02-13 22:54 < Monobi> Er
2008-02-13 22:54 < quanticle> Monobi: [[Tragedy of the Commons]]
2008-02-13 22:54 < Messedrocker> if you don't want to pay taxes, don't live in a society
2008-02-13 22:54 < Ceiling_Cat> See [[Flat_tax#Overall_tax_structure]]
2008-02-13 22:54 < Samizdat> 1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.
2008-02-13 22:54 < White_Cat> quanticle can I join your family?
2008-02-13 22:54 < Samizdat> The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management
2008-02-13 22:54 < Krimpet> Monobi: everyone needs to pay taxes, though.
2008-02-13 22:54 < Krimpet> that's how the government runs.
2008-02-13 22:54 < Monobi> The individual is more important than the group
2008-02-13 22:54 < quanticle> White_Cat: Are you in MN?
2008-02-13 22:54 < White_Cat> no but I dont mind the money
2008-02-13 22:54 < Ceiling_Cat> "It is a fact that the fraction of household income that is a return to capital (dividends, interest, royalties, profits of unincorporated businesses) is positively correlated with total household income. Hence a flat tax limited to wages would leave the wealthy much better off. "
2008-02-13 22:54 < Samizdat> 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
2008-02-13 22:54 < Samizdat> Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".
2008-02-13 22:54 < Monobi> Krimpet, I agree. But why do some people have to pay more than others?
2008-02-13 22:54 < quanticle> Monobi: Are you an Objectivist by any chance?
2008-02-13 22:54 < White_Cat> you can pay pal it to me :)
2008-02-13 22:54 < Messedrocker> The individual is more responsible for the group, yet the group helps the individuals
2008-02-13 22:54 < Monobi> Objectivist?
2008-02-13 22:54 < Messedrocker> at least a good group does
2008-02-13 22:54 < Monobi> I'll have to look that up d: .
2008-02-13 22:54 < Samizdat> 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance
2008-02-13 22:54 < Samizdat> We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.
2008-02-13 22:54 < quanticle> Monobi: Ayn Rand's philosophical school.
2008-02-13 22:55 < Samizdat> 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels
2008-02-13 22:55 < Samizdat> We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.
2008-02-13 22:55 < Krimpet> Monobi: we should at least distribute the burden evenly. they're still making more money overall either way.
2008-02-13 22:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Samizdat - please stop flooding
2008-02-13 22:55 < NotACow> this is #wikipedia, not #ronpaulforgod
2008-02-13 22:55 < noclip> Monobi: What's wrong with a flat tax rate? That's fair.
2008-02-13 22:55 < Samizdat> qua wanted the ten planks, I'm posting 'em.
2008-02-13 22:55 < noclip> maybe if you make $200 million in stock, you aren't going to be hurting from giving up $60 million of it, but if you make $50,000 a year, losing the same percentage is going to have a different effect
2008-02-13 22:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Samizdat - use a PM for that
2008-02-13 22:55 < Monobi> noclip, I agree with a flat tax rate
2008-02-13 22:55 < Ceiling_Cat> or a lin
2008-02-13 22:55 < Ceiling_Cat> link*
2008-02-13 22:55 < noclip> i was quoting you
2008-02-13 22:55 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Sorry, its partially my fault. I asked for the ten planks of the Communist Party.
2008-02-13 22:55 < noclip> not agreeing with you
2008-02-13 22:56 < Monobi> noclip, if I made $200 million in stocks I would want to keep every dollar
2008-02-13 22:56 < Samizdat> Be careful what you wish for.
2008-02-13 22:56 < Samizdat> Anyway, the link is upscroll.
2008-02-13 22:56 < Monobi> noclip, it's my money
2008-02-13 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - the flat tax does not tax unearned income
2008-02-13 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> therefore, it is patently unfair
2008-02-13 22:56 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: wow, that is absurd.
2008-02-13 22:56 < noclip> Monobi: so you can buy twelve jumbo jets as opposed to just nine?
2008-02-13 22:56 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: unearned income deserves to be taxed more, not less
2008-02-13 22:56 < Monobi> noclip, sounds good to me
2008-02-13 22:56 < quanticle> Monobi: What you want is only half the story. With rights come responsibilities. You have the responsibility to give back towards the maintenance of the infrastructure that helped you make that money.
2008-02-13 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - I agree. But why do you think a billionare was pushing for it?
2008-02-13 22:57 < Monobi> NotACow, my grandparents pay 6,000 in taxes each year. They've been retired for over 10 years.
2008-02-13 22:57 < Krimpet> of course, we get the fatcat politicians trying to abolish inheritance taxes too
2008-02-13 22:57 < Monobi> quanticle, and everyone should give back equally
2008-02-13 22:57 < Samizdat> Monobi: that's not home ownership, but slavery.
2008-02-13 22:57 < Monobi> Samizdat, er?
2008-02-13 22:57 * White_Cat licks the Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-13 22:57 < White_Cat> check your pm dear
2008-02-13 22:57 < Krimpet> zOMG think of the farmers!!!!11... never mind that inheritance tax only kicks in for millionaires.
2008-02-13 22:57 < Ceiling_Cat> Monobi - no, they shouldn't. Everyone needs the first $50,000 they make simply to go to owning a house and putting food on the table
2008-02-13 22:57 < Samizdat> The property tax, another of the ten planks of the "Communist Manifesto."
2008-02-13 22:58 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, and?
2008-02-13 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> So taxing everyone at the same rate hurts poor people more than rich people
2008-02-13 22:58 < Monobi> No.
2008-02-13 22:58 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: In some places its more than 50k.
2008-02-13 22:58 < noclip> you know, if you ask me
2008-02-13 22:58 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat, exactly.
2008-02-13 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> ESPECIALLY when you don't tax unearned income
2008-02-13 22:58 < noclip> take everyone who earns less than $5m annually
2008-02-13 22:58 < Samizdat> Plank #1, as a matter of fact.
2008-02-13 22:58 < noclip> and reinstate slavery
2008-02-13 22:58 < noclip> make em slaves
2008-02-13 22:58 < Samizdat> Shall I repost the link, in between all this blather?
2008-02-13 22:58 < Krimpet> a flat tax is a regressive tax. it puts more burden on smaller incomes.
2008-02-13 22:59 < Monobi> noclip, most of the population would then be slaves...
2008-02-13 22:59 < Monobi> Krimpet, no it doesn't. Not if it's low enough.
2008-02-13 22:59 < noclip> clearly, a good plan
2008-02-13 22:59 < quanticle> noclip: That'd actually probably *hurt* the economy, since you have to feed and house slaves...
2008-02-13 22:59 < Xihix> ok
2008-02-13 22:59 < Xihix> if I have lost 17 lb in two weeks
2008-02-13 22:59 < Xihix> is that too much?
2008-02-13 22:59 < noclip> that was sarcasam
2008-02-13 22:59 < quanticle> Xihix: Bad scale?
2008-02-13 22:59 < Samizdat> Do you think it's accidental the liberals are so proud of the term "Progressive?"
2008-02-13 22:59 < Monobi> Yes, I'm going to tax you on it Xihix .
2008-02-13 22:59 < quanticle> noclip: So's what I said...
2008-02-13 23:00 < Xihix> No
2008-02-13 23:00 < Samizdat> Of course not, they make conscious reference to Marx and his progressive income tax.
2008-02-13 23:00 < quanticle> Xihix: You sick?
2008-02-13 23:00 < noclip> quanticle: i was talking to monobi
2008-02-13 23:00 < quanticle> noclip: Oh.
2008-02-13 23:00 < Monobi> The democrats want a communistic (word?) state.
2008-02-13 23:00 < Xihix> I was at first
2008-02-13 23:00 < Xihix> but I haven't been
2008-02-13 23:00 < quanticle> Monobi: Communistic is a word, to answer your question.
2008-02-13 23:00 < Monobi> Good.
2008-02-13 23:00 < Samizdat> Not that the so-called "conservatives" and Republicans are any less Marxist than the liberals are.
2008-02-13 23:01 < Monobi> Hardly.
2008-02-13 23:01 < Luna-San> Commies? Where? Lemme get my shotgun.
2008-02-13 23:01 < quanticle> Samizdat: Especially some of the Evangelicals...
2008-02-13 23:01 < Samizdat> Big believers in the Marxist economics of Keynes.
2008-02-13 23:01 < Monobi> Any true republican is an anti-federalist.
2008-02-13 23:01 < Crispy> Where are the fish?
2008-02-13 23:01 < White_Cat> Luna-San commies are bulletproof
2008-02-13 23:01 < noclip> some of you could benefit from looking over the differences between communism and socialism
2008-02-13 23:01 < Samizdat> quanticle: there you be.
2008-02-13 23:01 < White_Cat> use a crowbar
2008-02-13 23:01 < NotACow> ignore the trolls
2008-02-13 23:01 < quanticle> Luna-San: OMG its the Commie-Nazis!
2008-02-13 23:01 < Monobi> Luna-San, if obama wins he'll take your shotgun.
2008-02-13 23:01 < Luna-San> White_Cat: But crowbars are for headcrabs. Unless you're suggesting...
2008-02-13 23:01 < Samizdat> NotACow: define "troll."
2008-02-13 23:01 < White_Cat> Luna-San communism is like a headcrab
2008-02-13 23:01 < Crispy> Fish for three dollar?
2008-02-13 23:01 < Luna-San> :o Oh, hells no. From my cold, dead hands.
2008-02-13 23:01 * Krimpet sticks a ron paul 2008 bumper-sticker over NotACow's mouth
2008-02-13 23:02 < White_Cat> crowbar is the ultimate weapon
2008-02-13 23:02 < The359> wtf
2008-02-13 23:02 < Samizdat> heh Krimpet
2008-02-13 23:02 < The359> I just got a Valentine's Day card on my talk page
2008-02-13 23:02 * quanticle sticks a Clinton 2008 sticker over Krimpet's mouth.
2008-02-13 23:02 < Samizdat> ^5 buddy!
2008-02-13 23:02 < Crispy> Fish anyone? Three dollar?
2008-02-13 23:02 < White_Cat> it is so powerful
2008-02-13 23:02 < White_Cat> it is so useful
2008-02-13 23:02 < Monobi> Crispy, o.o
2008-02-13 23:02 * NotACow eats the bumper sticker
2008-02-13 23:02 < quanticle> The359: Aww. Who's your admirer?
2008-02-13 23:02 < White_Cat> it can destory man sized crates with 3 or 4 hits
2008-02-13 23:02 < Crispy> New fish, eat good!
2008-02-13 23:02 < quanticle> Crispy: What kind of fish?
2008-02-13 23:03 < White_Cat> it can kill apartment sized creatures with few hits
2008-02-13 23:03 < The359> [[User:Wilhelmina Will]]
2008-02-13 23:03 < Crispy> quanticle: Mystery fish!
2008-02-13 23:03 < Monobi> To sum up this discussion, progressive taxation is horrible.
2008-02-13 23:03 < White_Cat> and you can change the tire with it
2008-02-13 23:03 < Crispy> quanticle: You want?
2008-02-13 23:03 * NotACow progressively taxes monobi until he is out of letters
2008-02-13 23:03 < Crispy> quanticle: Mystery fish, three dollar?
2008-02-13 23:03 < quanticle> Crispy: No sale. I'm not going to buy mystery fish. You have to tell me what kind it is first.
2008-02-13 23:03 * NotACow tosses a mahi-mahi at quanticle
2008-02-13 23:03 < Krimpet> quanticle: if I vote in the primaries at all I'll probably just write-in Biden. ;P
2008-02-13 23:03 < Crispy> quanticle: But I not know what kind of fish. It mystery to me.
2008-02-13 23:03 * quanticle catches
2008-02-13 23:03 < Rinn> It's a Magikarp! Don't do it!
2008-02-13 23:03 < noclip> monobi: do you earn more than $5 million annually?
2008-02-13 23:03 * NotACow already voted in the primaries
2008-02-13 23:04 < quanticle> Crispy: What does it look like?
2008-02-13 23:04 < Crispy> quanticle: It look like fish I think.
2008-02-13 23:04 < Monobi> quanticle, it's a healthcare fish. It's free for you but will cost anyone who works $1000 out of there hard earned paycheck.
2008-02-13 23:04 < noclip> do you plan to earn more than $5 million annually in the future?
2008-02-13 23:04 < Crispy> quanticle: Might be cat though.
2008-02-13 23:04 < Monobi> noclip, no.
2008-02-13 23:04 < NotACow> noclip: monobi doesn't earn anything. his parents might be two-comma folks, but he hasn't earned anything so far.
2008-02-13 23:04 < quanticle> Rinn: At least its not a Mudkip...
2008-02-13 23:04 < Monobi> noclip, in the future, I hope to earn more than $5 million.
2008-02-13 23:04 < noclip> good luck with that
2008-02-13 23:04 < noclip> but chances are
2008-02-13 23:04 < quanticle> Crispy: Ok, whatever, I'll take it.
2008-02-13 23:04 < noclip> you won't
2008-02-13 23:04 < NotACow> noclip: i *hate* two-comma kids.
2008-02-13 23:04 * quanticle pays Crispy
2008-02-13 23:04 < Ceiling_Cat> BBL
2008-02-13 23:05 * Krimpet doesn't care too much at this point. clinton and obama are both quite meh; not worth the trouble figuring out how absentee voting works, and I'll probably just wait till the final election
2008-02-13 23:05 < Monobi> NotACow, why's that?
2008-02-13 23:05 < Luna-San> Yeah, progressive taxation is an evil thing, preying on those poor, defenseless billionaires.
2008-02-13 23:05 < NotACow> i hope to earn $5 million a year, too, but i don't expect to.
2008-02-13 23:05 < noclip> so why do you care about the tax rates of the obscenely wealthy?
2008-02-13 23:05 < Crispy> quanticle: Paypal
2008-02-13 23:05 < Rinn> quanticle: At least it has a really good evolution.
2008-02-13 23:05 < Crispy> quanticle: fishsales19921@hotmail.com
2008-02-13 23:05 < Rinn> Water/ground type! No weaknesses!
2008-02-13 23:05 < Monobi> noclip, you shouldn't have to pay more money because you work harder in life
2008-02-13 23:05 < quanticle> Crispy: What, no! I'm not actually going to buy a fish from you....
2008-02-13 23:05 < quanticle> Crispy: I thought you were just joking.
2008-02-13 23:05 < Crispy> quanticle: You said you would ...
2008-02-13 23:05 * Krimpet HATES gyarados. -_-
2008-02-13 23:06 < Crispy> quanticle: I found fish, you say you want fish.
2008-02-13 23:06 < Monobi> Luna-San, it's their money...
2008-02-13 23:06 < Crispy> quanticle: I send you fish.
2008-02-13 23:06 < noclip> monobi: clearly, CEOs who drive their companies into the ground while playing golf all day "work hard"
2008-02-13 23:06 < Crispy> quanticle: I give you free box ...
2008-02-13 23:06 < Monobi> noclip, at one point in life they did. They're just smart enough to figure out how the system works.
2008-02-13 23:06 < NotACow> most rich people got that way not by working "hard"
2008-02-13 23:06 < Monobi> NotACow, define rich.
2008-02-13 23:06 < quanticle> Crispy: I don't even have a Paypal account.
2008-02-13 23:06 < NotACow> instead, they got that way (a) by inheriting it (b) by knowing the right people (c) by stealing it
2008-02-13 23:06 < Crispy> quanticle: You can use credit card too.
2008-02-13 23:07 < Crispy> quanticle: I take cash in mail too.
2008-02-13 23:07 < Luna-San> Monobi: Well, for clarity's sake, I choose to look at it not as "charging the rich more" but as "charging the poor less." It seems to make sense that we might want to give tax breaks to people who are just barely scratching out a living.
2008-02-13 23:07 < Crispy> quanticle: You say you buy fish. Me not like liar.
2008-02-13 23:07 < Luna-San> It's bad when I change my wording just because I can't decide how to spell the infinitive of "eke"
2008-02-13 23:07 < NotACow> ha!
2008-02-13 23:07 < noclip> monobi: they went to an ivy league school on their daddy's coin and got where they are based on who they know
2008-02-13 23:07 < NotACow> hillary sold her contributor list!
2008-02-13 23:07 < quanticle> Luna-San: eking?
2008-02-13 23:07 < Miranda> Luna-San: did you put that link in the bb player's article
2008-02-13 23:07 < Monobi> noclip, good for them
2008-02-13 23:07 < Crispy> quanticle: Buy fish!
2008-02-13 23:07 < Luna-San> Miranda: Yep. :)
2008-02-13 23:07 < noclip> bad for you
2008-02-13 23:08 < Miranda> Luna-San: coolio
2008-02-13 23:08 < Crispy> quanticle: Buy fish or I be mad.
2008-02-13 23:08 < noclip> and everybody whose daddy isn't a billionaire
2008-02-13 23:08 < Messedrocker> One idea I have involves people being able to donate to governmental departments as though they were charities. The donated money would be tax deductible and it would reduce the amount of money said department would need to collect through taxes
2008-02-13 23:08 < Crispy> quanticle: You say you buy fish!
2008-02-13 23:08 < Faroframkallande> can someone give me a bit of advice about an article?
2008-02-13 23:08 < Luna-San> quanticle: I would guess that.
2008-02-13 23:08 < Monobi> Messedrocker, no one would donate
2008-02-13 23:08 < NotACow> she sold it to Walter Karl, Inc.
2008-02-13 23:08 < NotACow> a division of InfoUSA
2008-02-13 23:08 < Faroframkallande> It's currently under the scope of an AC injunction, that's why I'm asking
2008-02-13 23:08 < NotACow> and on eof the biggest junk mailers in the country.
2008-02-13 23:08 < Monobi> The last thing I want to do with my money is give it away.
2008-02-13 23:09 < NotACow> so if you contributed to clinton, you're going to get EVNE MORE JUNKMAIL now
2008-02-13 23:09 < gwern> oh no. Connect Four is a solved game
2008-02-13 23:09 < gwern> no it's no fun :(
2008-02-13 23:09 < Messedrocker> Monobi, lots of people donate to charity... but here's the thing, would people donate to a government? you submit that people wouldn't
2008-02-13 23:09 < Monobi> Messedrocker, I would never give money to the gov't if I didn't have to do
2008-02-13 23:09 < NotACow> Messedrocker: people do, actually
2008-02-13 23:09 < gwern> Messedrocker: that wouldn't work. Money is fungible - so given that donations will be somewhat predictable, budget funding would just be reduced by that much
2008-02-13 23:10 < NotACow> hillary sold her contributor list for $8,225.68
2008-02-13 23:10 < Messedrocker> NotACow, people do what?
2008-02-13 23:10 < NotACow> Messedrocker: donate money to the gov't.
2008-02-13 23:10 < Crispy> quanticle: I even find kind of fish for you! Fish look like this fish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Swim_bladder.jpg
2008-02-13 23:10 < Crispy> quanticle: You say you buy!
2008-02-13 23:10 < Monobi> Crispy, er?
2008-02-13 23:10 < NotACow> Messedrocker: and of course, the gov't does get some money through escheated estates.
2008-02-13 23:11 < NotACow> Messedrocker: although almost all of that goes to states.
2008-02-13 23:11 < Crispy> Monobi: You want buy fish?
2008-02-13 23:11 < Crispy> Monobi: I have good fish ... want buy?
2008-02-13 23:11 < Monobi> Not really.
2008-02-13 23:11 < NotACow> Messedrocker: the only time the feds get an escheated estate is when the decendent died in DC or an unincorporated territory.
2008-02-13 23:11 < Monobi> Crispy, I'll buy newton from you.
2008-02-13 23:11 < Crispy> Monobi: Tell quanticle get back here. He say he buy fish.
2008-02-13 23:11 < Rinn> Zootomy!
2008-02-13 23:11 < Messedrocker> NotACow, how does a will play into that?
2008-02-13 23:11 < Crispy> I have not newton I have fish.
2008-02-13 23:11 < Crispy> quanticle say he buy fish.
2008-02-13 23:11 < NotACow> Messedrocker: escheats generally do not occur when a will exists.
2008-02-13 23:12 < Leslie_S> http://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ArnRV4QmOscYu8KgC_mKDa.ecRV.;_ylv=3?qid=20080213194254AAXVQln
2008-02-13 23:12 < Leslie_S> what the hell?
2008-02-13 23:12 < Rinn> Zoot zoot zoot!
2008-02-13 23:12 < Krimpet> Leslie_S, ewwwwww
2008-02-13 23:13 < Crispy> Anyone else want buy fish?
2008-02-13 23:13 < Crispy> I can cut in half.
2008-02-13 23:13 < Crispy> Half price for half.
2008-02-13 23:13 < Crispy> Only dollar fitty.
2008-02-13 23:13 < NotACow> Messedrocker: although if the will fails to exhaust the estate and does not specify treatment for the residual AND the decedent has no heir at law, then the residual will eschaet.
2008-02-13 23:13 < Krimpet> my betta had fin rot last week. thankfully he's doing better thanks to the wonders of modern medicine. :)
2008-02-13 23:13 < NotACow> er, escheat.
2008-02-13 23:13 < Crispy> Anyone want half fish for dollar fitty?
2008-02-13 23:14 < Messedrocker> Interesting, NotACow.
2008-02-13 23:14 < Rinn> Which half?
2008-02-13 23:14 < Crispy> You pick.
2008-02-13 23:14 < Messedrocker> How much money does the federal government actually make off of escheats?
2008-02-13 23:14 < NotACow> Messedrocker: very little. almost all escheats go to states.
2008-02-13 23:15 < Rinn> What happens if part of the guts from my half fall out when you cut it in half?
2008-02-13 23:15 < NotACow> Messedrocker: and it's pretty rare for someone with a significant estate to die intestate and without legal heir.
2008-02-13 23:15 < Messedrocker> or in DC
2008-02-13 23:15 < Messedrocker> or in American Samoa
2008-02-13 23:15 < Crispy> Rinn: I use blender - make soup. Measure half soup for you.
2008-02-13 23:16 < NotACow> Messedrocker: it's pretty hard to die without a legal heir.
2008-02-13 23:16 < Luna-San> Krimpet: Ooh. I'm usually not too much for fish, but a pretty good friend of mine used to adore her betta.
2008-02-13 23:16 < NotACow> Messedrocker: you have to have no kids, no spouse, and no living parents, grandpareants, siblings, or (in some states) cousins
2008-02-13 23:16 < Rinn> What if I don't want soup?
2008-02-13 23:17 < NotACow> NO SOUP FOR YOU
2008-02-13 23:17 < Crispy> Rinn: I can freeze.
2008-02-13 23:17 < Leslie_S> Krimpet speaking of bettas..walmart has these little betta bowls that are about the size of ... a pill bottle. what the hell?
2008-02-13 23:17 < Rinn> What if I don't want frozen soup?
2008-02-13 23:17 < Crispy> Rinn: You can melt.
2008-02-13 23:17 < NotACow> poopie soopie.
2008-02-13 23:17 < Leslie_S> Krimpet anyway, i just set up a 10 gallon tank on my computer desk, with 2 black moors and a calico fantail
2008-02-13 23:17 < Rinn> What if I don't want defrosted soup?
2008-02-13 23:18 < Leslie_S> and a light. and a filter. and gravel. and two lilies.
2008-02-13 23:18 * NotACow gives rinn a snifter-full of calvados.
2008-02-13 23:18 < Crispy> Rinn: I can send to you liquid in box.
2008-02-13 23:18 < Rinn> But then it might leak.
2008-02-13 23:18 * NotACow is trying to decide between calvados and bourbon
2008-02-13 23:18 < Luna-San> I think Crispy is trying to sell Rinn wine. :o
2008-02-13 23:18 < NotACow> boxed wine
2008-02-13 23:18 < Crispy> Rinn: Ok ok you win. I use plastic wrap.
2008-02-13 23:18 < Luna-San> Double the crime.
2008-02-13 23:19 < Rinn> At your own expense, correct?
2008-02-13 23:19 < Crispy> Luna-San: You insult me! I sell fish! Good fish! Not wine!
2008-02-13 23:19 < Crispy> Rinn: Well nnnn maybe extra fitty cent?
2008-02-13 23:19 < NotACow> somewhere i have a bottle containing a blue substance which claims to be apple wine
2008-02-13 23:19 < NotACow> but i'm almost certain they're lying
2008-02-13 23:19 < Luna-San> How do we know the fish is good? Is this certified?
2008-02-13 23:19 < Crispy> Luna-San: My fish good. Found right on beach.
2008-02-13 23:19 < Krimpet> Leslie_S: wow, I've never seen em that small
2008-02-13 23:20 < Rinn> If I buy half a blended fish then by golly I am not paying extra for the plastic wrap!
2008-02-13 23:20 < Crispy> Luna-San: Right next to ocean. Fresh.
2008-02-13 23:20 < NotACow> wow. platinum jumped $75 today.
2008-02-13 23:20 < Crispy> Rinn: I give you three quarter fish!
2008-02-13 23:20 < Luna-San> What if they have lead in them? :<
2008-02-13 23:20 < Rinn> No! Half a fish, plastic-wrapped, one fitty!
2008-02-13 23:20 < NotACow> although it's down $10 in overseas trading
2008-02-13 23:20 < noclip> so we've gone from politics to mutated fish?
2008-02-13 23:20 < Krimpet> I used to have my betta in one of those (wal-mart bought!) tiny 1-quart bowls. now he's swimmin pretty in a 2.5 gallon tank
2008-02-13 23:20 < Crispy> Luna-San: My fish no have lead! My fish good!
2008-02-13 23:21 < Luna-San> If your fish has no lead, it can't be a very good detective.
2008-02-13 23:21 < NotACow> Crispy: i bet they're saturated with plutonium
2008-02-13 23:21 < Crispy> NotACow: My fish good!!!
2008-02-13 23:21 < Rinn> I knew someone who had a betta. They called it Master Betta.
2008-02-13 23:21 < NotACow> Rinn: hehe
2008-02-13 23:21 < Crispy> Rinn: I sell you for one sixty.
2008-02-13 23:21 < Rinn> No! One fitty!
2008-02-13 23:22 < Krimpet> my betta's name is Seamus. :D
2008-02-13 23:22 < Crispy> One fitty five.
2008-02-13 23:22 < Rinn> One fitty!
2008-02-13 23:22 < noclip> I sell you fish for ninety sen.
2008-02-13 23:22 < Rinn> Ooh! Forget Crispy.
2008-02-13 23:22 < NotACow> ninety yen?
2008-02-13 23:22 < Crispy> noclip: I sell better fish!
2008-02-13 23:22 < Rinn> What kind of fish?
2008-02-13 23:22 < Crispy> ok ok
2008-02-13 23:22 < noclip> Is a fish
2008-02-13 23:22 < NotACow> 90 yen seems like a good price
2008-02-13 23:22 < Crispy> Fitty sents!
2008-02-13 23:22 < Crispy> I sell for fitty cents!
2008-02-13 23:23 < Crispy> I sell full fish!
2008-02-13 23:23 < Rinn> Now we're talking.
2008-02-13 23:23 < NotACow> Crispy: i want to see your fishseller's license.
2008-02-13 23:23 < noclip> I sell you fie fish fo' foty sen.
2008-02-13 23:23 < Crispy> NotACow: No have that in lithuania
2008-02-13 23:23 < noclip> For ten sen estra, I trow in chicken head.
2008-02-13 23:24 < Crispy> I make fish soup for free!
2008-02-13 23:24 < Rinn> Live or dead chicken head?
2008-02-13 23:24 < noclip> Either
2008-02-13 23:25 < Rinn> I want the head attached to an artifical body so that it still functions.
2008-02-13 23:25 < Crispy> Ok, have fun everyone - I have succeeded in defusing a meaningless political debate :) I concede the sales of fish soup with chicken head to noclip.
2008-02-13 23:25 < noclip> Ooooh, high tech. That cost you least tree dolla.
2008-02-13 23:25 < Rinn> Hey! I helped!
2008-02-13 23:26 < noclip> bleh
2008-02-13 23:26 < NotACow> CHARP
2008-02-13 23:26 < noclip> maybe now i'll finally get on bash
2008-02-13 23:26 < noclip> who am i kidding, i'll never get on there
2008-02-13 23:26 < NotACow> ROBOT CHICKEN
2008-02-13 23:26 < NotACow> RAPABLY SOFT
2008-02-13 23:28 < FastLizard4|Food> White_Cat: Are you [[User:White Cat]] on Wikipedia?
2008-02-13 23:28 < White_Cat> yes
2008-02-13 23:28 < White_Cat> how can I help?
2008-02-13 23:28 < FastLizard4|Food> You're on the #cvn-wp-en blacklist :O
2008-02-13 23:28 < White_Cat> well
2008-02-13 23:28 < FastLizard4|Food> I guess you want on the whitelist?
2008-02-13 23:29 < NotACow> i am being stared at
2008-02-13 23:29 < noclip> that's racist
2008-02-13 23:29 < NotACow> oh, good, he looked away
2008-02-13 23:29 < noclip> the proper term is caucasianlist
2008-02-13 23:29 < White_Cat> I dont mind either way since I dont use the channel :) Putting me in the whitelist is beneficial
2008-02-13 23:29 < FastLizard4|Food> omg
2008-02-13 23:29 < NotACow> "happylist" and "sadlist"
2008-02-13 23:29 < White_Cat> after all I coded the bot :)
2008-02-13 23:29 < FastLizard4|Food> I hope you are joking
2008-02-13 23:29 < tgies> anybody ever notice how the images on [[penis]] are a point of constant contention
2008-02-13 23:29 < White_Cat> FastLizard4|Food I am no vandal
2008-02-13 23:29 < tgies> like, they get swapped out for different ones
2008-02-13 23:29 < tgies> every nine minutes
2008-02-13 23:29 < White_Cat> ;)
2008-02-13 23:30 < tgies> and like everybody on wikipedia has had a picture of their penis on [[penis]] at one point or another
2008-02-13 23:30 < tgies> well, I made a userbox in honor of this
2008-02-13 23:30 < tgies> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tgies/Sandbox