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2008-02-13 20:41 < cimon> there are definitely safe doses of strychnine
2008-02-13 20:41 < Rinn> How exactly did they judge that contest?
2008-02-13 20:41 < cimon> and one can even develop a tolerance to strychnine
2008-02-13 20:42 < OverlordQ> Rinn: what contest?
2008-02-13 20:42 < Rinn> Hold your Wee for a Wii.
2008-02-13 20:42 < cimon> I suppose australians might have developed some tolerances for high doses of water...
2008-02-13 20:42 < OverlordQ> whoever went longest without pee'ing obviously
2008-02-13 20:43 < Rinn> Did they just stand in a room and wait?
2008-02-13 20:43 < gwern> cimon: ah, so you could develop resistance and safely go against a Sicilian when death is on the line?
2008-02-13 20:43 < OverlordQ> Rinn: they had to drink so much water every hour
2008-02-13 20:43 < gwern> (impossible!)
2008-02-13 20:43 < cimon> what would have been really good if they had pitted a camel against David Blaine or someone...
2008-02-13 20:44 < Jerry8> ok so did the person asking about the plutonium criticality get the answer they wanted?
2008-02-13 20:44 < OverlordQ> "Initially, contestants were handed eight-ounce bottles of water to drink every 15 minutes."
2008-02-13 20:45 < cimon> I mean, people doing that tummo shit and stuff is pretty cool in showing that the human body can do exceedingly great feats, but those feats really fail spectacularly when measured against the rest of nature...
2008-02-13 20:45 < cimon> Jerry8: /me scrolls hastily upscreen...
2008-02-13 20:45 < cimon> Jerry8: not yet.
2008-02-13 20:46 < Jerry8> slowed down the neutrons to the energy that made it react more with the plutonium
2008-02-13 20:46 * Jerry8 is a nuclear engineer
2008-02-13 20:46 < gwern> we;;, obviously. I mean, it's not rocket science after all!
2008-02-13 20:46 < cimon> ahhah, so not increasing the number of neutrons, but increasing the accuracy of th hits...
2008-02-13 20:47 < Jerry8> every material has a microscopic cross-section for absorbtion for neutrons of a particular energy level
2008-02-13 20:47 * OverlordQ isn't a nuclear engineer and thinks that Jerry8 is making stuff up
2008-02-13 20:47 < OverlordQ> they obviously let the magical smoke out
2008-02-13 20:47 < Jerry8> this is the effective "area" that the material provides as a target for the neutron
2008-02-13 20:47 < Jerry8> plutonium is only "large" for slower neutrons
2008-02-13 20:48 < Jerry8> so the other material slows them down, and then the plutonium can absorb them
2008-02-13 20:48 < Jerry8> and then the chain reaction is thus sustained
2008-02-13 20:48 < cimon> so, sortof making the neutrons not overshoot the energy range...
2008-02-13 20:49 < Jerry8> yeah..... if they are too fast, they just go right through the plutonium without reacting
2008-02-13 20:49 < Jerry8> but if they are the right energy they stick like magnets and react
2008-02-13 20:50 < cimon> Jerry8: reminds me of the Mr Tompkins story about cats that you cannot stroke.
2008-02-13 20:50 < Jerry8> heh!
2008-02-13 20:50 < cimon> Jerry8: You know that one?
2008-02-13 20:51 * gwern doesn't
2008-02-13 20:52 * Jerry8 does not know that one
2008-02-13 20:53 < cimon> "I am an Eagle scout. That means that I am trustworthy, Loyal, Honest, Prepared, trained and I help others at all times. " - guess which US candidate for POTUS said that?
2008-02-13 20:54 < cimon> anyway, happy Valentines...!
2008-02-13 20:54 < Messedrocker> WON'T YOU FLYYYYYYYYY
2008-02-13 20:54 < Messedrocker> FREEEE BIIIIRD
2008-02-13 20:54 < Messedrocker> YEAH
2008-02-13 20:54 < Messedrocker> cimon, i don't know
2008-02-13 20:54 < atomicpotato> "From all the unborn chicken voices in my head" Err, what?
2008-02-13 20:54 * Jerry9 oi
2008-02-13 20:55 < cimon> Messedrocker: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_interviews_U.S._Libertarian_presidential_candidate_Bob_Jackson
2008-02-13 20:55 < Jerry9> Bob jackson?
2008-02-13 20:55 < cimon> very good
2008-02-13 20:55 < Messedrocker> libertibertarirastifarian!
2008-02-13 20:55 < cimon> Bob Jackson sounds like the candidate for congress in that Eddie Murphy film...
2008-02-13 20:55 < Jerry9> so are ya gonne tell MR. Thompkins cats you can not stroke story?
2008-02-13 20:56 < bridezilla> What is the character called that makes you type backwards?
2008-02-13 20:56 < cimon> Jerry9: I don't recall the details, but it was that you wouldn't touch the cat at all, or you would stroke it far too violently for it to enjoy it.
2008-02-13 20:57 < bridezilla> This is sort of urgent.
2008-02-13 20:57 < cimon> bridezilla: correction key?
2008-02-13 20:57 < Jerry9> the one with the apostrophe's in a cricle?
2008-02-13 20:57 < bridezilla> cimon: ?
2008-02-13 20:58 < Jerry9> Unicode_control_characters#Bidirectional_text_control
2008-02-13 20:58 < bridezilla> It is a non-visible character...
2008-02-13 20:58 < Jerry9> look there
2008-02-13 20:58 < bridezilla> Ah.
2008-02-13 20:58 < cimon> on old typewriters, whith the correction tape, you would type backwards the identical text...
2008-02-13 20:59 < cimon> *mechanical typewriters, you know...
2008-02-13 20:59 < Messedrocker> electric typewriters too
2008-02-13 20:59 < Messedrocker> i have an electric typewriter
2008-02-13 20:59 < Messedrocker> it has correction tape
2008-02-13 20:59 < Jerry9> bridzilla was that the asnwer you needed
2008-02-13 21:00 < bridezilla> Hmm... yes, but I still don't see the character.
2008-02-13 21:00 < bridezilla> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-directional_text
2008-02-13 21:00 < Jerry9> it's invisible. right
2008-02-13 21:00 < Mark_Ryan> is there some sort of way to do a batch-upload of images to either Commons or Wikipedia?
2008-02-13 21:00 < cimon> "And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love." ~ Paul of Tarsus
2008-02-13 21:00 < bridezilla> Some troll is posting it on a BBS and it is being accepted as a post because it is a character. Is there any legitimate use for it?
2008-02-13 21:01 < Jerry9> no
2008-02-13 21:01 < Demi> unless "BBS" stands for "boustrophedon buttery syntax" probably not
2008-02-13 21:01 < bridezilla> Then why does it exist?
2008-02-13 21:01 < Jerry9> it is only used to control text orientation for certaain languages like hebrew
2008-02-13 21:01 < bridezilla> Hrm.
2008-02-13 21:02 < Jerry9> if the context it is being used in is all English, then there is no valide use
2008-02-13 21:02 < Jerry9> because you could just type the word sdrawkcab if you want to in English.
2008-02-13 21:02 < bridezilla> I cannot see the character on the Wikipedia page.
2008-02-13 21:02 < bridezilla> I need to copy it and paste it.
2008-02-13 21:03 < Jerry9> http://www.tipotheday.com/2007/08/26/wtf-is-this-character/
2008-02-13 21:03 < bridezilla> It is actually inserted as a character if it's alone, apparently.
2008-02-13 21:03 < Jerry9> look there
2008-02-13 21:03 < Mark_Ryan> you use the control character if you want to post Arabic or Hebrew etc. as a block within English text
2008-02-13 21:03 < Mark_Ryan> or latin text, maybe I should say
2008-02-13 21:04 < Jerry9> yeah
2008-02-13 21:04 < Luna-San> That'd make sense, hm.
2008-02-13 21:04 < Mark_Ryan> but in html you can also go <div style="text-direction:rtl"> or something like that
2008-02-13 21:04 < Mark_Ryan> so it's not necessary
2008-02-13 21:05 < Jerry9> u028dop 01ddp0131sdn 0183u0131028701310279028d s0250 un025f s0250 028el0279025001ddu 0287ou s,0287025002650287
2008-02-13 21:06 < Jerry9> everyone is flipping their laptops over now...
2008-02-13 21:06 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Distinguished_Gentleman - here it is...
2008-02-13 21:07 < Jerry9> the eddie murphy moviE?
2008-02-13 21:08 * jeremyb waves to cremepuff222
2008-02-13 21:08 < Trickz> hi
2008-02-13 21:08 < Trickz> hi
2008-02-13 21:08 * Trickz waves at cremepuff222 too
2008-02-13 21:08 < cremepuff222> Hi jeremyb. :-D
2008-02-13 21:08 < cremepuff222> Hey Trickz. :-D
2008-02-13 21:09 < cimon> Jerry9: I note the article says there was a set up for a sequel with Eddie running as an independent candidate for prez, Perot style...
2008-02-13 21:09 < jeremyb> cremepuff222: found OTRS?
2008-02-13 21:09 < Jerry9> ok I gotta go close some AfD's now... gotta do my fair share... later y'all
2008-02-13 21:09 < cremepuff222> OTRS?
2008-02-13 21:09 * cremepuff222 didn't know he was looking for it.
2008-02-13 21:09 * Jerry9 was and yes I found it
2008-02-13 21:10 < Jerry9> but I really needed oversight, and it doesnlt exist here
2008-02-13 21:10 < Jerry9> so I went to stewards, but nobody was home, then I bumped into someone who knew someone, and it got handled
2008-02-13 21:12 < bridezilla> OK. Before some other vandal crashes my Web site, is there any other (UTF-8) character other than ҉ that I must watch out for that actually doesn't output anything but is a control character?
2008-02-13 21:12 < bridezilla> (Can you see that character?)
2008-02-13 21:13 < bridezilla> It looks like an explosion or something.
2008-02-13 21:13 < bridezilla> The Wikipedia article should show it in the right corner as it does with all other (?) chars...
2008-02-13 21:13 < Vorschlagsnoten> bridezilla: that character isn't a control in and of itself
2008-02-13 21:13 < Vorschlagsnoten> but it usually accompanies one
2008-02-13 21:13 < Trickz> what's a good channel discuss image licencing
2008-02-13 21:14 < Vorschlagsnoten> image licensing for what?
2008-02-13 21:14 < Trickz> wikipedia
2008-02-13 21:14 < bridezilla> Vorschlagsnoten: I mean that it is dangerous when it is NOT accompanied by any other character.
2008-02-13 21:14 < Vorschlagsnoten> bridezilla: check out the unicode specs for that sort of thing
2008-02-13 21:16 < bridezilla> Unicode has about one trillion characters. :P
2008-02-13 21:16 < Rinn> ҉
2008-02-13 21:16 < bridezilla> Is there no article like "Control characters in Unicode"?
2008-02-13 21:16 < Rinn> ҉
2008-02-13 21:16 < bridezilla> ҉test
2008-02-13 21:16 < Rinn> �
2008-02-13 21:16 < Rinn> ҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉
2008-02-13 21:16 < bridezilla> Doesn't seem to type my text backwards...
2008-02-13 21:16 < Rinn> ҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉ZOOOOOSH
2008-02-13 21:17 < bridezilla> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/҉
2008-02-13 21:17 < Rinn> ?I think this is the backwards-text one.
2008-02-13 21:18 < Rinn> Huh. Worked in the textbox.
2008-02-13 21:18 < Duggie> hey all
2008-02-13 21:18 < Undeference> ‏rlm
2008-02-13 21:18 < Rinn> ?_?
2008-02-13 21:19 < Undeference> u+200f
2008-02-13 21:19 < Rinn> ҉_҉
2008-02-13 21:19 < bridezilla> ‮test
2008-02-13 21:19 < Rinn> ҉W҉E҉ ҉A҉R҉E҉ ҉S҉T҉A҉R҉M҉E҉N҉
2008-02-13 21:20 < Rinn> W҉E҉ ҉A҉R҉E҉ ҉S҉T҉A҉R҉M҉E҉N҉
2008-02-13 21:20 < Rinn> There.
2008-02-13 21:20 < bridezilla> What are you doing?
2008-02-13 21:20 < Rinn> Playing.
2008-02-13 21:21 < Messedrocker> i'm not a starman
2008-02-13 21:21 < Messedrocker> i'm a tanooki suit
2008-02-13 21:21 < cimon> Rinn: that one set of characters looked very rude...
2008-02-13 21:21 < Undeference> ☻
2008-02-13 21:21 < bridezilla> One final question: In the HTML source of the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/҉ where they type the backward text, it is preceded by not one control character, but several ones in a row. Why is this?
2008-02-13 21:22 < cimon> well, two of them, if you look at them that way...
2008-02-13 21:22 < bridezilla> ?
2008-02-13 21:22 < Rinn> ҉ ҉
2008-02-13 21:22 < Rinn> ҉ ҉
2008-02-13 21:22 < cimon> mitosis?
2008-02-13 21:23 * Trickz wants to drop the proper ASCII
2008-02-13 21:23 < Trickz> rofl
2008-02-13 21:23 < bridezilla> cimon: What?
2008-02-13 21:23 < Rinn> ҉ <NO JOHN! WHAT WILL I DO WITHOUT YOU?!) (I CAN'T TAKE YOUR CONSTANT CRITICISM> ҉
2008-02-13 21:23 < cimon> bridezilla: thoes characters by rinn now up there remind me of several things relating to reproduction...
2008-02-13 21:24 < Trickz> the birds and the bees?
2008-02-13 21:24 < Rinn> Punk Pac-Man? >҉
2008-02-13 21:24 < Rinn> > ҉
2008-02-13 21:24 * Rinn quits
2008-02-13 21:24 < cimon> This is getting very dada
2008-02-13 21:26 < JessicaTaylor> what is ‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮҉
2008-02-13 21:26 < JessicaTaylor> ‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮҉makesmetypebackwards
2008-02-13 21:26 < Rinn> ҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉҉
2008-02-13 21:26 < JessicaTaylor> ‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮҉makes me type backwards
2008-02-13 21:27 < Starnestommy> o_O
2008-02-13 21:28 < JohnReaves> JessicaTaylor:Why don't you do that in a private channel or something
2008-02-13 21:28 < ravedave> anyone good with CSS?
2008-02-13 21:28 < JessicaTaylor> I'm not the one spamming it :(
2008-02-13 21:29 < JohnReaves> ah, well you got caught ;)
2008-02-13 21:29 < JessicaTaylor> aww
2008-02-13 21:29 < wimt> Also, backwards typing is a bug in chatzilla
2008-02-13 21:29 < JessicaTaylor> fail
2008-02-13 21:29 < wimt> It doesn't work in any other client
2008-02-13 21:30 < gwern> this is no country for old men
2008-02-13 21:30 < ravedave> anyone knwo why these dots are shifying between IE and FF?
2008-02-13 21:30 < ravedave> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:State_parks_of_Minnesota_map
2008-02-13 21:31 < Messedrocker> because the dots aren't actually part of the image
2008-02-13 21:31 < ravedave> hah Messedrocker well yeah thats the point, it makes them clickable
2008-02-13 21:32 < Messedrocker> so i guess the browsers interpret the coordinates of the dots differently
2008-02-13 21:33 < NameAlreadyInUse> i guess IE does it wrong
2008-02-13 21:35 < ravedave> yeah i was trying to figure out what I could do to make IE not act differently
2008-02-13 21:44 < Rinn> More netsplits?
2008-02-13 21:44 < JohnReaves> o heinlein
2008-02-13 21:45 < Mark_Ryan> looks more like a dead server
2008-02-13 21:47 < NotACow> heinlein's been dead foor a while now
2008-02-13 21:47 < Rinn> Infornography: "...YES! YES! EDUCATE ME!"?
2008-02-13 21:47 < Rinn> WHEEEE
2008-02-13 21:47 < NotACow> DEATH TO NIVEN
2008-02-13 21:48 < Dp67> the net has gas
2008-02-13 21:48 < Trickz> no
2008-02-13 21:48 < VegaDark> netsplitttt
2008-02-13 21:48 < Trickz> it's ST47 that did that
2008-02-13 21:50 * Mark_Ryan hugs quanticle
2008-02-13 21:50 < JessicaTaylor> Where did everyone go?
2008-02-13 21:50 < neskaya> netsplit.
2008-02-13 21:50 < neskaya> Enjoy it while it lasts.
2008-02-13 21:51 * quanticle hugs everyone who was swept up in the netsplit
2008-02-13 21:51 < NameAlreadyInUse> what is this "netsplit"
2008-02-13 21:51 < quanticle> Am I back?
2008-02-13 21:51 < ravedave> no
2008-02-13 21:51 < quanticle> Heh.
2008-02-13 21:51 < ravedave> well it depends if the cat is dead or alive
2008-02-13 21:52 < ravedave> or wait did I just ruin it by finding your location?
2008-02-13 21:55 < Daniel_Bush> I hear on the Internet that Wikipedia has many Libertarians in its community. How do Libertarians decide who to nominate for President? I noticed they don't appear to mention primaries and delegates on their website like Democrats', Republicans', and Greens' do.
2008-02-13 21:56 < Leslie_S> not very well
2008-02-13 21:56 < kenlyric> voodoo
2008-02-13 21:56 < kenlyric> just like the dems/republicans. Libertarians are just honest about it
2008-02-13 21:58 < noclip> bleh
2008-02-13 21:58 < noclip> vista sp1 actually makes it slower
2008-02-13 21:58 < Daniel_Bush> Since Ralph Nader won California despite not running, and seems poised to be the Green's nominee, or at least they're essentially saying, "Here are your delegates; use them to pick the nominee for us," I wanted to see if the Libertarians were going to do likewise with Ron Paul
2008-02-13 21:58 < noclip> way to go microsoft
2008-02-13 21:59 < noclip> it's like microsoft bob running on top of windows ME
2008-02-13 21:59 < noclip> but with aqua reflections
2008-02-13 22:00 < noclip> er, aero
2008-02-13 22:00 < kenlyric> easy mistake
2008-02-13 22:00 < noclip> here's what pisses me off about vista
2008-02-13 22:00 < Daniel_Bush> ME never turns around and hurt you
2008-02-13 22:00 < noclip> it reminds me of chinese electronics knockoffs
2008-02-13 22:00 < ravedave> everything?
2008-02-13 22:00 < Daniel_Bush> That's why I never gave Windows ME up
2008-02-13 22:00 < noclip> that too
2008-02-13 22:01 < noclip> they clone a product
2008-02-13 22:01 < noclip> but do it so poorly and missing the point so completely
2008-02-13 22:01 < noclip> that i can't decide whether to laugh or cry
2008-02-13 22:02 < noclip> *miss
2008-02-13 22:02 < noclip> mac's fancy reflection crap is at least tamed
2008-02-13 22:02 < noclip> it's used only where appropriate
2008-02-13 22:02 < noclip> and it's consistent
2008-02-13 22:03 < noclip> vista just vomits alpha transparency and blurring and glass reflections all over the place
2008-02-13 22:04 < noclip> how could the people responsible for it not see what a horrible perversion it was of everything that made os x pretty
2008-02-13 22:04 < noclip> it's almost like the web 2.0 bubble, "who needs a viable business, just add ajax!"
2008-02-13 22:04 < NameAlreadyInUse> i liked the pre-XP windows theme
2008-02-13 22:04 < Daniel_Bush> Okay, nevermind, I found out how the Libertarian Party apportions delegates to states
2008-02-13 22:05 < noclip> i liked the original vista theme
2008-02-13 22:05 < Daniel_Bush> and they let state affiliates decide to select their delegates however they want
2008-02-13 22:05 < noclip> before aero, they had a wonderful theme that went in a completely different direction
2008-02-13 22:05 < Xihix> Does anyone here have any spare money to give me so I can buy some $200 shoes?
2008-02-13 22:05 < noclip> it was like a polished and professional version of the xp theme
2008-02-13 22:05 < noclip> and it was sleek
2008-02-13 22:05 < Xihix> http://www.chabolla.com/vans.htm < you can't tell me those things aren't badass.
2008-02-13 22:05 < noclip> but they killed it and replaced it with the "me too" aero garbage
2008-02-13 22:07 < noclip> http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_4051_056.jpg
2008-02-13 22:07 < noclip> ^ the original longhorn theme
2008-02-13 22:07 < noclip> far superior to aero
2008-02-13 22:07 < NameAlreadyInUse> damn
2008-02-13 22:07 < NameAlreadyInUse> that owns
2008-02-13 22:07 < Ceiling_Cat> Question
2008-02-13 22:07 < Daniel_Bush> The Libertarian Party doesn't say who's in the lead in terms of delegates like Greens, Republicans, and Democrats, either. They only display how much money they've raised.
2008-02-13 22:07 < Xihix> C_C, I'll answer.
2008-02-13 22:08 < Ceiling_Cat> is there someone who handles interwiki coordination issues?
2008-02-13 22:08 < Xihix> I do not, sorry.
2008-02-13 22:08 < Ceiling_Cat> I seem to remember someone at the foundation who was specifically designated as such
2008-02-13 22:08 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat: how do you mean?
2008-02-13 22:08 < noclip> the interwiki beuracracy committee for wiki beuracracy department
2008-02-13 22:08 < Ceiling_Cat> I want the "Send us your pics" contact page translated and placed on every language wikipedia and every sister project ( in all languages)
2008-02-13 22:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Albeit adjusted for each project's needs
2008-02-13 22:09 < WikiStalker> O_O
2008-02-13 22:09 * WikiStalker stalks Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-13 22:09 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat: linky?
2008-02-13 22:09 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us/Photo_submission
2008-02-13 22:09 < cimon> ty
2008-02-13 22:09 < Xihix> C_C, you guys never got anything from Bill Oakley, did you?
2008-02-13 22:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Bill Oakley?
2008-02-13 22:09 < Xihix> He was supposed to send like two or three groups shots, but I'm assuming he's still busy with the whole writing stuff.
2008-02-13 22:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Who is Bill Oakley?
2008-02-13 22:10 < Xihix> A former writer and show runner of The Simpsons. He said that he has to do about a years worth of writing in the next three weeks, so uhh
2008-02-13 22:10 < Xihix> yeah.
2008-02-13 22:10 < Ceiling_Cat> ahh
2008-02-13 22:10 < NotACow> who's bill oakley?
2008-02-13 22:10 < noclip> ha
2008-02-13 22:10 < NotACow> why do we care about hi,m?
2008-02-13 22:10 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat: not really sure, but it would be cool if the wikimedia organigram answered your query. Dunno if it does though...
2008-02-13 22:11 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Bill Oakley]]
2008-02-13 22:11 < Xihix> I thought a bearocrat may know something...
2008-02-13 22:11 < quanticle> NotACow: He promised us stuff, but can't deliver because of the writers strike...
2008-02-13 22:11 < Ceiling_Cat> wikimedia organigram ?
2008-02-13 22:11 < NotACow> quanticle: that desn't make sense
2008-02-13 22:11 < noclip> nonsense
2008-02-13 22:11 < Ceiling_Cat> ah
2008-02-13 22:11 < NotACow> quanticle: the writer's strike doesn't forbid writing for an encyclopedia.
2008-02-13 22:11 < noclip> writing for WP is not in any professional capacity
2008-02-13 22:11 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - well, I've asked the question to Cary
2008-02-13 22:11 < noclip> he's just being lazy
2008-02-13 22:11 < Ceiling_Cat> I'll see if he knows
2008-02-13 22:11 < quanticle> NotACow: Its not that. Its the fact that he's swamped with work now that the strike's over.
2008-02-13 22:11 < Xihix> C_C, when he does send the pictures according to whatever that that page asks him to send it to, do they let me know?
2008-02-13 22:12 < NotACow> wikipedia is certainly not within the scope of the WGA's jurisdiction, and in any case Wikipedia is not a party to the CBA.
2008-02-13 22:12 < NotACow> quanticle: ah, well, that makes sense.
2008-02-13 22:12 < Ceiling_Cat> Xihix - no, but if you watchlist his article, you'll see if/when it gets added
2008-02-13 22:12 < noclip> god dammit
2008-02-13 22:12 < noclip> i look at this
2008-02-13 22:12 < noclip> http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_4051_061.jpg
2008-02-13 22:12 < Xihix> well, it's more than one picture, and they're group shots
2008-02-13 22:12 < noclip> and feel pain
2008-02-13 22:12 < quanticle> NotACow: Those missed scripts aren't going to write themselves y'know ;)
2008-02-13 22:12 * NotACow is wondering what TDS & CR will be like tonight
2008-02-13 22:12 < noclip> what could have been
2008-02-13 22:12 < NotACow> quanticle: really?
2008-02-13 22:13 < NotACow> i'm tired and would love to go to bed now, but i really want to see TDS
2008-02-13 22:13 * quanticle thinks it'd be cool and somewhat scary if scripts could write themselves
2008-02-13 22:13 < Xihix> Do I get a Barnstar for this or anything? Getting a writer of a show to get pictures of himself and the entire staff isn't easy...
2008-02-13 22:13 < NotACow> quanticle: wikipedia articles write themselves, so why not?
2008-02-13 22:13 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat: how about Jay Walsh?
2008-02-13 22:13 < NameAlreadyInUse> do barnstars actually do anything?
2008-02-13 22:13 < Xihix> Also, whats amazing is that he'll do an interview for us.
2008-02-13 22:13 < NameAlreadyInUse> ie, grant super powers, adminship etc
2008-02-13 22:13 < NotACow> is jay walsh capable of doing anything?
2008-02-13 22:13 < noclip> quanticle: banking trojan thing
2008-02-13 22:13 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat: Jay Walsh is the head of Communications...
2008-02-13 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - Jay handles external communications mostly. This is more of an interwiki thing
2008-02-13 22:14 < noclip> it custom codes phishing (really pharming) attacks
2008-02-13 22:14 < noclip> based on the victim's bank
2008-02-13 22:14 < Ceiling_Cat> And I seem to remember there was someone whose official job it was to coordinate that sort of stuff
2008-02-13 22:14 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat: What do you think of our two new Board Members?
2008-02-13 22:14 < Ceiling_Cat> new board members?
2008-02-13 22:14 < quanticle> noclip: While the software you describe does sound intriguing, what made you think I'd be interested in it?
2008-02-13 22:14 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat: Mike Snow and Domas Mituzas.
2008-02-13 22:15 < Ceiling_Cat> I did not hear about that
2008-02-13 22:15 < noclip> "scrips that write themselves"
2008-02-13 22:15 < quanticle> noclip: Or that I'd know how to procure it for you? O_o
2008-02-13 22:15 < NotACow> someone appointed a troll to the board?
2008-02-13 22:15 < Ceiling_Cat> Link?
2008-02-13 22:15 < Ceiling_Cat> Teeheee
2008-02-13 22:15 < quanticle> noclip: Oh.
2008-02-13 22:15 < noclip> i know how to procure it
2008-02-13 22:15 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow is referring to Domas's official Wikimedia badge
2008-02-13 22:15 < Ceiling_Cat> where others got "VIP" or "Administrator" or something
2008-02-13 22:15 < Ceiling_Cat> his was "Troll"
2008-02-13 22:15 < noclip> all i need is a big fat wad of cash
2008-02-13 22:15 < NotACow> he had the bestest possible badge
2008-02-13 22:15 < quanticle> noclip: Heh. There are plenty of "self-writing scripts". Just look at macros in Scheme or Lisp...
2008-02-13 22:16 < Ceiling_Cat> Apparently Delphine made it for him specially
2008-02-13 22:16 < noclip> this discussion reminds me
2008-02-13 22:16 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: i was under the impression he had made it himself :)
2008-02-13 22:16 < noclip> why isn't there any talk about ssl pharming attacks
2008-02-13 22:16 < Ceiling_Cat> Anyway, Mike Snow is a very smart person and I think he'll make a good board member
2008-02-13 22:16 < NotACow> i've liked mike snow ever since he told me to shut up
2008-02-13 22:16 < noclip> they're clearly extremely dangerous
2008-02-13 22:16 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't know much about Domas - he's technically oriented, and that's a good thing
2008-02-13 22:16 < Daniel_Bush> The logo of my local Libertarian Party is a penguin in a cowboy hat carrying a torch and a guitar.
2008-02-13 22:16 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: domas will be good.
2008-02-13 22:17 < Xihix> sounds badass!
2008-02-13 22:17 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2008-February/038528.html
2008-02-13 22:17 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: i've talked to him a few times and i think he'll bring a very important realism to the board.
2008-02-13 22:17 < NotACow> one of domas' best characteristics is how he deals with stupidity.
2008-02-13 22:17 < cimon> I freely confess I like having a Board member within the cost of a New York cab ride from me...
2008-02-13 22:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Did the board expand?
2008-02-13 22:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Or are they replacements?
2008-02-13 22:18 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: replacing erik and michael, iirc.
2008-02-13 22:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Oh, Michael, Jimbo's buddy
2008-02-13 22:18 < Ceiling_Cat> (what is his last name...)
2008-02-13 22:18 < NotACow> wikimedia is brimming over with stupidity, so having people who can deal with it sensibly is important.
2008-02-13 22:18 < noclip> what issues beyond infrastructure does WMF really need to deal with?
2008-02-13 22:19 < NotACow> noclip: party planning.
2008-02-13 22:19 < Ceiling_Cat> noclip - liability, liability, liability
2008-02-13 22:19 < Ceiling_Cat> PR issues
2008-02-13 22:19 < Ceiling_Cat> Money
2008-02-13 22:19 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: they've never dealt with PR issues before. why start now?
2008-02-13 22:19 < noclip> NotACow: but GLaDOS promised to bring the cake
2008-02-13 22:19 < noclip> so that's taken care of
2008-02-13 22:19 < cimon> Domas lives under 100 kilometers south of me.
2008-02-13 22:19 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - You do not know what you are talking about
2008-02-13 22:19 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: touchy, touchy
2008-02-13 22:19 < Ceiling_Cat> Sandra was *very* good where the press was concerned
2008-02-13 22:20 < Ceiling_Cat> the only problem was she was doing the work of 5 people
2008-02-13 22:20 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: and that she was kept almost completely in the dark.
2008-02-13 22:20 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat: Davis.
2008-02-13 22:20 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - that's it. Thank you (that would have driven me crazy)
2008-02-13 22:20 < noclip> the only way i'd deal with the press is with by bludgeoning them with a baseball bat with the word "sense" written on it
2008-02-13 22:20 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - Completely in the dark with respect to what?
2008-02-13 22:20 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: basically everything.
2008-02-13 22:21 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: sandra was pretty good, yes. they treated her like crap, though.
2008-02-13 22:21 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - if you're talking about pending announcements, the problem is that the board has some very deep issues where communication is concerned
2008-02-13 22:21 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: that's a very polite way of putting it
2008-02-13 22:22 < NotACow> the board has deep issues regarding basically everything
2008-02-13 22:22 < noclip> i know how to fix them all
2008-02-13 22:22 < noclip> put steve ballmer on that shit
2008-02-13 22:22 < NotACow> mainly because certain members of it are more interested in self-aggrandizement than anything else.
2008-02-13 22:22 < noclip> that guy can develop his way out of anything
2008-02-13 22:22 < cimon> Mike Snow on the board fills me with un-restrained optimism, but I've been dissapointed before. That is the fundamental problem with potimism, you might say...
2008-02-13 22:22 < Xihix> Hey guys, I found out how Ron Paul can win!
2008-02-13 22:23 < noclip> Xihix: military coup?
2008-02-13 22:23 < Xihix> nope!
2008-02-13 22:23 < NotACow> noclip: only when his blood alcohol is between 0.129 and 0.138
2008-02-13 22:23 < Xihix> It involves a brokered convention. it's a long shot
2008-02-13 22:23 < Xihix> but there's always a chance.
2008-02-13 22:23 < Krimpet> ron paul is already well on his way to winning, in bizarro world
2008-02-13 22:23 < noclip> damn
2008-02-13 22:23 < cimon> lol at krimpet
2008-02-13 22:23 < Xihix> I found out that a large amount of delegates are Paul supporters
2008-02-13 22:23 < NotACow> Krimpet: ron paul and al gore?
2008-02-13 22:23 < noclip> not an hour goes by here without an xkcd reference
2008-02-13 22:23 < Xihix> so like
2008-02-13 22:23 * Ceiling_Cat shudders
2008-02-13 22:23 < Xihix> if there IS indeed a brokered convention
2008-02-13 22:24 < NotACow> noclip: of course not :)
2008-02-13 22:24 < Xihix> the delegates will most likely choose Paul as the nominee.
2008-02-13 22:24 < NotACow> Xihix: that would rock
2008-02-13 22:24 < NotACow> paul is insane.
2008-02-13 22:24 < Krimpet> NotACow: now now, you know there's an 8-year term limit. gore can't run _again_!
2008-02-13 22:24 < NotACow> it would make the debates hilarious
2008-02-13 22:24 < Ceiling_Cat> Ron Paul - because who who says the 1880s weren't the best decade of them all?
2008-02-13 22:24 < noclip> there isn't going to be a brokered convention on the republican side
2008-02-13 22:24 < noclip> it's mathematically impossible
2008-02-13 22:24 < Xihix> If Paul wins through a brokered convention... this will be the most epic election ever
2008-02-13 22:25 < Xihix> no
2008-02-13 22:25 < Xihix> it is not
2008-02-13 22:25 < NotACow> noclip: i haven't looked at it, but it's still *possible*
2008-02-13 22:25 < NotACow> romney still has his delegates
2008-02-13 22:25 < Xihix> If Huckleberry wins a lot of hte next few states
2008-02-13 22:25 < cimon> what aws it McCain needs still? 492 delegates?
2008-02-13 22:25 < Xihix> McCain will be far from a majority
2008-02-13 22:25 < noclip> if romney gives all his delegates to whackabee
2008-02-13 22:25 < Xihix> only about 720 or so delegates remain
2008-02-13 22:25 < noclip> and whackabee wins every last delegate
2008-02-13 22:25 < NotACow> noclip: no, he has to keep them for it to go brokered.
2008-02-13 22:25 < NotACow> noclip: you cant get a brokered convention with only two candidates unless you have missing delegates
2008-02-13 22:25 < Xihix> actually
2008-02-13 22:26 < Xihix> a lot of his delegates may be up for grabs
2008-02-13 22:26 < NotACow> noclip: or an exact tie, which is possile in the reps as they have an even number
2008-02-13 22:26 < Xihix> because they might not appear at their local gop conventions
2008-02-13 22:26 < noclip> NotACow: not going to happen
2008-02-13 22:26 < Xihix> making their delegate spot open for whoever wants to claim it.
2008-02-13 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> if they have an exact tie
2008-02-13 22:26 < noclip> repub. primaries are WTA
2008-02-13 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> does Bush break it?
2008-02-13 22:26 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: no
2008-02-13 22:26 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: if there is an exact tie, no candidate wins and they have a second ballot.
2008-02-13 22:27 < Krimpet> so, it's a choice between Ron Paul who hates black people, or McCain who hates "gooks"
2008-02-13 22:27 < Xihix> Oh, Paul doesn't hate black people...
2008-02-13 22:27 < noclip> or huckabee, who hates reality
2008-02-13 22:27 < NotACow> bring back 2/3rds majority for the nomination!
2008-02-13 22:27 < Xihix> this is all I hear from Obama:
2008-02-13 22:27 < Krimpet> "We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers." ~Ron Paul, 1996
2008-02-13 22:27 < Xihix> CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE
2008-02-13 22:27 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - Ron Paul hates all the progressive reforms of the last 120 years
2008-02-13 22:28 < noclip> no, that's what you hear from the media about obama
2008-02-13 22:28 < NotACow> Xihix: what more does one need to hear?
2008-02-13 22:28 < Xihix> That was written by a ghost writer.
2008-02-13 22:28 < cimon> I know there used to be a statute in the choosing of the president of some of the founding 13 that the president in the case of a tie would be elected by a hand of poker, without a draw. (pre-Union that is)
2008-02-13 22:28 < noclip> if you take 5 seconds to look at his website
2008-02-13 22:28 < NotACow> Xihix: you might try actually listening ot HIM, and not to the media babblers, though
2008-02-13 22:28 < Xihix> Like the latest email that was sent out from Paul
2008-02-13 22:28 < Messedrocker> Xihix, he still endorsed it
2008-02-13 22:28 < Ceiling_Cat> the FDA, the Federal Reserve, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Voter protection act, the floating US dollar
2008-02-13 22:28 < noclip> it's a bit more specific
2008-02-13 22:28 < Xihix> it was a ghost writer
2008-02-13 22:28 < Ceiling_Cat> ...ammendments 17 through 28
2008-02-13 22:28 < fajro> :-P
2008-02-13 22:28 < Krimpet> Xihix: that's not from his ghostwritten newsletter. it's a quote from a paper.
2008-02-13 22:28 < Xihix> Messedrocker, in a recent email that was "signed" by Paul, some people thought he dropped out.
2008-02-13 22:28 < cimon> Does somebody remember which of the 13 had the hand of poker breaking of the tie?
2008-02-13 22:29 < Messedrocker> Xihix, but he endorsed it as his writing with his name, did he not?
2008-02-13 22:29 < Xihix> turns out he didn't even write it.
2008-02-13 22:29 * NotACow was in springfield on February 10, 2007
2008-02-13 22:29 < Xihix> Not necessarily. Like I said, take the latest news thing on the campaign site
2008-02-13 22:29 < noclip> a dishonest politician? unpossible!
2008-02-13 22:29 < Xihix> it's signed by Paul
2008-02-13 22:29 < NotACow> paul is a nutcase.
2008-02-13 22:29 < Xihix> but it wasn't even written by him
2008-02-13 22:29 < NotACow> he wants to turn the clock back 150 years
2008-02-13 22:29 < Messedrocker> Xihix, if he signed it, then he takes responsibility for it
2008-02-13 22:29 < NotACow> give or take 20
2008-02-13 22:29 < Messedrocker> Because he endorsed it
2008-02-13 22:30 < noclip> NotACow: he wants to have another civil war?
2008-02-13 22:30 < Xihix> Yes, it's true that he must face the responsibility. But that doesn't mean he endorsed it.
2008-02-13 22:30 < Messedrocker> yes it does, Xihix
2008-02-13 22:30 < NotACow> noclip: why not?
2008-02-13 22:30 < Xihix> No.
2008-02-13 22:30 < Xihix> But anyway, the reason I see Paul not winning is because of his crazy fans, the troofer fans, and the down right idiots
2008-02-13 22:30 < Monobi> Xihix, are you spamming O.o
2008-02-13 22:31 < Krimpet> Xihix: so, if obama's newsletter endorsed "killing Whitey," it'd be just as OK?
2008-02-13 22:31 < Xihix> Who the hell spends half a million dollars of a god damn blimp?
2008-02-13 22:31 < FastLizard4|busy> Mmmm, spam...
2008-02-13 22:31 * FastLizard4|busy pops open a can of spam
2008-02-13 22:31 < Monobi> Krimpet, could you fill me in (: ?
2008-02-13 22:31 < Monobi> I love debates.
2008-02-13 22:31 < Xihix> Krimpet, thats different though.
2008-02-13 22:31 < Ceiling_Cat> Panel: "Where Will All the Threads Come From?"
2008-02-13 22:31 < Ceiling_Cat> Panelists: John Feo (Microsoft), Sanjeev Kumar (Intel), Bradley Kuszmaul (MIT), Jan-Willem
2008-02-13 22:31 < Ceiling_Cat> Maessen (Sun Microsystems), Keshav Pingali (University of Texas at Austin), Vivek
2008-02-13 22:31 < Ceiling_Cat> Sarkar (Rice University)
2008-02-13 22:31 < Krimpet> Monobi: I was saying how Ron Paul's made outright racist comments in the past :P
2008-02-13 22:31 < Monobi> Krimpet, are you talking about Paul getting money from a neo-nazi group?
2008-02-13 22:31 < Ceiling_Cat> I've met two of those panelists in person and communicated by email with two others :)
2008-02-13 22:31 < Monobi> Ron Paul is hardly racist.
2008-02-13 22:32 < Xihix> Has anyone seen that picture of Paul in a room alone with black running shoes?
2008-02-13 22:32 < Monobi> Paul is good, but he won't win.
2008-02-13 22:32 < noclip> let's agree to disag, er, have another civil war
2008-02-13 22:32 < Krimpet> Monobi: the quote was, "We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."
2008-02-13 22:32 < FastLizard4|busy> Do you think Clinton still has a chance?
2008-02-13 22:32 < noclip> yeah
2008-02-13 22:33 < noclip> not if she loses one more time though
2008-02-13 22:33 < Monobi> Krimpet, well, the first line is. The latter is a fact.
2008-02-13 22:33 < Monobi> FastLizard4|busy, Clinton WILL win the democrat nom.
2008-02-13 22:33 < kenlyric> don't be afraid of black men
2008-02-13 22:33 < kenlyric> be afraid of poor men
2008-02-13 22:33 < Monobi> FastLizard4|busy, it's called "superdelegates"
2008-02-13 22:33 * FastLizard4|busy knows
2008-02-13 22:34 < noclip> krimpet: paul said that?
2008-02-13 22:34 < NotACow> the dem nom will come down to superdelegates
2008-02-13 22:34 < Monobi> I think Obama is slightly racist.
2008-02-13 22:34 < Krimpet> noclip: yep
2008-02-13 22:34 < FastLizard4|busy> NotACow: It probably will
2008-02-13 22:34 < noclip> that's pretty stupid
2008-02-13 22:34 < Monobi> NotACow, Clinton will get the delegates
2008-02-13 22:34 < NotACow> FastLizard4|busy: both candidates are now within range of the nomination if they get all of the superdels.
2008-02-13 22:34 < White_Cat> #politics exists for a reason you know
2008-02-13 22:35 < FastLizard4|busy> right
2008-02-13 22:35 < Xihix> I'm still looking for the good picture
2008-02-13 22:35 < FastLizard4|busy> White_Cat: Shush
2008-02-13 22:35 < Monobi> White_Cat, so does #wikipedia (;
2008-02-13 22:35 < Xihix> but isn't this just depressing?
2008-02-13 22:35 < Xihix> http://earthhopenetwork.net/ron_paul_sitting.jpg
2008-02-13 22:35 < NotACow> FastLizard4|busy: of course, neither candidate will get all of the superdels.
2008-02-13 22:35 < NotACow> FastLizard4|busy: so it'll come down to which candidate lobbies the superdels better.
2008-02-13 22:35 < FastLizard4|busy> NotACow: That's to be expected
2008-02-13 22:35 < FastLizard4|busy> Right
2008-02-13 22:35 < Monobi> I feel bad for Ron Paul.
2008-02-13 22:35 < kenlyric> that's a pretty big ass you've got where you're pulling that from Monobi
2008-02-13 22:35 < White_Cat> ron_paul_sitting? I thought that was a myth
2008-02-13 22:35 < Monobi> kenlyric, ?
2008-02-13 22:35 < Xihix> No I mean
2008-02-13 22:35 < Xihix> Look how lonely he is in that picture.
2008-02-13 22:35 < kenlyric> <Monobi> NotACow, Clinton will get the delegates
2008-02-13 22:35 < Monobi> Yeah.
2008-02-13 22:36 < NotACow> Monobi: i don't believe that that's a safe bet.
2008-02-13 22:36 < White_Cat> Xihix well
2008-02-13 22:36 < kenlyric> not even remotely
2008-02-13 22:36 < White_Cat> no one likes ron paul
2008-02-13 22:36 < NotACow> Monobi: i think it comes down to texas/hio.
2008-02-13 22:36 < FastLizard4|busy> It really could go either way
2008-02-13 22:36 < kenlyric> especially if obama goes into the convention with more other delegates
2008-02-13 22:36 < Monobi> I really think Clinton will get it. I don't like the democrats, but Clinton is better than Obama.
2008-02-13 22:36 < NotACow> clinton needs to win both texas and ohio to stay in the game
2008-02-13 22:36 < quanticle> Yay! The vmsplice kernel exploit is fixed!
2008-02-13 22:36 < FastLizard4|busy> Both Clinton and Obama have around 1,000 delegates
2008-02-13 22:36 < White_Cat> Obama-rama
2008-02-13 22:36 < Monobi> Of course, the best was john edwards until he dropped out
2008-02-13 22:36 < Ceiling_Cat> so my master's thesis hit 70 pages today :)
2008-02-13 22:36 < FastLizard4|busy> 2,025 is required to win
2008-02-13 22:36 < kenlyric> well, the superdelegates probably won't ask you.
2008-02-13 22:36 * Ceiling_Cat is going for the group record
2008-02-13 22:37 < Ceiling_Cat> Oh, that reminds me
2008-02-13 22:37 < Monobi> kenlyric, doubt it d:
2008-02-13 22:37 < Xihix> Obama: CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE
2008-02-13 22:37 < Ceiling_Cat> anyone in here know how to do piecewise functions in latex?
2008-02-13 22:37 < noclip> Xihix: look at obama's website
2008-02-13 22:37 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat I reminded you something?
2008-02-13 22:37 < Ceiling_Cat> Specifically, all the code I found on the internet craps out
2008-02-13 22:37 < noclip> the "CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE" is coming from the media
2008-02-13 22:37 < kenlyric> without a clear frontrunner, they could go anyway.
2008-02-13 22:37 < Monobi> Xihix, Obama never says what he is going to change
2008-02-13 22:37 * FastLizard4|busy looks at Xihix, then motions towards the banhammer
2008-02-13 22:37 < noclip> not him
2008-02-13 22:37 < Xihix> exactly!
2008-02-13 22:37 < Xihix> He never does!
2008-02-13 22:37 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat you talk in giberish :)
2008-02-13 22:37 < Monobi> Obama just says he is going to change stuff
2008-02-13 22:37 < Monobi> obama has no backbone
2008-02-13 22:37 < NotACow> Monobi: really? i've heard him mention all sorts of things he would change.
2008-02-13 22:37 < kenlyric> though I do suspect that superdelegates will favor clinton, since they're from the core of the party.
2008-02-13 22:37 < Messedrocker> obama is a ne-gro
2008-02-13 22:37 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PiecewiseFunction.html doesn't work?
2008-02-13 22:37 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Heh.
2008-02-13 22:37 < Monobi> Messedrocker, that's very nice of you
2008-02-13 22:38 < Xihix> in all the speeches I've heard
2008-02-13 22:38 < White_Cat> Monobi I seriously doubt he is an oversized amebae
2008-02-13 22:38 < NotACow> kenlyric: clinton is pissing people off, too. it's not going to be simple.
2008-02-13 22:38 < Xihix> he just yells "CHANGE!!!!!!"
2008-02-13 22:38 < Xihix> he doesn't say what
2008-02-13 22:38 < Monobi> NotACow, like what? With the exception of Universal health care
2008-02-13 22:38 < kenlyric> well, we've done old white guys for 200 years. Clinton's just an old white guy with boobs.
2008-02-13 22:38 < Xihix> he needs to clarify it, really.
2008-02-13 22:38 < noclip> Xihix: look at his website
2008-02-13 22:38 < NotACow> Xihix: you shoudl listen to the entire speech, nt just the 15 secnds that CNN plays back foor you
2008-02-13 22:38 < Monobi> kenlyric, exactly d:
2008-02-13 22:38 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - I need to do a piecewise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piecewise) function in latex. The code I found on the interwebs to do it fails every time
2008-02-13 22:38 < White_Cat> Xihix everything changes!
2008-02-13 22:38 < Ceiling_Cat> I do not understand why
2008-02-13 22:38 < noclip> take 10 seconds to check your damn facts
2008-02-13 22:38 < Monobi> McCain will win.
2008-02-13 22:38 < quanticle> Monobi: The Republicans have YEARS of built up hatred against the Clintons.
2008-02-13 22:38 < Xihix> No. One doesn't need to look at a website to see the person's positions
2008-02-13 22:38 < kenlyric> NotACow: Clinton doesn't piss off DNC members
2008-02-13 22:38 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat I dont know a whole lot about it :(
2008-02-13 22:38 < NotACow> kenlyric: sh already has
2008-02-13 22:38 < kenlyric> they have orgasms every time they hear the name clinton
2008-02-13 22:39 < quanticle> Monobi: McCain will win if the Democrats choose Clinton.
2008-02-13 22:39 < noclip> you accuse him of being vague as to the change he wants
2008-02-13 22:39 < Xihix> He should say them instead of yelling the same crap over and over again
2008-02-13 22:39 < White_Cat> sadly you are a bit beyond my level so I am not much help to you...
2008-02-13 22:39 < Monobi> quanticle, Clinton stands a better chance of winning
2008-02-13 22:39 < noclip> he isn't
2008-02-13 22:39 < Monobi> quanticle, better than obama
2008-02-13 22:39 < White_Cat> I think clinton is going down the drain
2008-02-13 22:39 < Lubaf> Monobi: Sorry, you're wrong.
2008-02-13 22:39 * Krimpet wishes all the decent candidates didn't drop out already -_-
2008-02-13 22:39 < Monobi> McCain will win, regardless, because he's very middle of the road