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2008-02-13 17:10 * Gracenotes eats said flower
2008-02-13 17:10 < kyorosuke> sufficently creepy
2008-02-13 17:10 < NotACow> can i have an edible flower too?
2008-02-13 17:10 < Demi> mmm... the taste of bonemal and earwig honey
2008-02-13 17:10 < Demi> "bonemeal" of course
2008-02-13 17:10 * brown_cat gives NotACow a flower
2008-02-13 17:10 < brown_cat> :D
2008-02-13 17:11 * NotACow sets the flower on fire
2008-02-13 17:11 < Gracenotes> NotACow: it's not an edible flower
2008-02-13 17:11 < tgies> Hey, does anyone have any thoughts on how I should cite the help file of a software package? I need to cite the electronic QBasic manual, of all things.
2008-02-13 17:11 < Gracenotes> but I ate it anyway
2008-02-13 17:11 < Gracenotes> stamen, stigma, and all
2008-02-13 17:11 < Mike2> youtube is now the second most visited website? :o
2008-02-13 17:11 < Sfan00> Hope it wasn't toxic
2008-02-13 17:11 < Sfan00> Mike2; Google being the top one?
2008-02-13 17:11 < tgies> I poked around on [[Template talk:Citation]] etc. and couldn't find any guidelines on this
2008-02-13 17:11 < Gracenotes> maybe it was
2008-02-13 17:11 < Demi> tgies - does it have identified authors?
2008-02-13 17:12 < Mike2> google is third according to Alexa
2008-02-13 17:12 < kyorosuke> the killer in Red Dragon eats a /painting/
2008-02-13 17:12 < Mike2> yahoo is first
2008-02-13 17:12 < Mike2> google.com that is
2008-02-13 17:12 < Sfan00> Demi: Microsoft Corporaion?
2008-02-13 17:12 < Mike2> google.co.uk, etc. are counted separately
2008-02-13 17:12 < tgies> Demi: Probably just identified as "Microsoft Corporation" unless I dug really deep, yeah
2008-02-13 17:12 < Demi> Sfan00 - yes, unless someone else is credited.
2008-02-13 17:13 < Gracenotes> tgies: heh, I remember that manual
2008-02-13 17:13 < tgies> The authors are not credited within the documentation itself
2008-02-13 17:13 < tgies> I think they complicated it to the point where I'd actually have to give another citation to prove that those were the authors, haha
2008-02-13 17:13 < Gracenotes> It was rather helpful. I was always looking up the numerical color code of those 16 colors... okay, nostalgia time's over.
2008-02-13 17:13 < Demi> if there's an actual author i'd put them first, otherwise something like QBasic Manual. 1989. QBasic Version 1.0. Microsoft Corporation.
2008-02-13 17:14 < Gracenotes> Screen 12 ftw. anyway >.>
2008-02-13 17:14 < tgies> Makes sense; thank you
2008-02-13 17:14 < tgies> Gracenotes: haha
2008-02-13 17:14 < tgies> I have to cite the documentation of the PLAY statement
2008-02-13 17:14 < tgies> to prove that it uses this stupid little computer music notation format I'm writing an article about
2008-02-13 17:15 < tgies> which was used in like every flavor of BASIC in the 1980s and then some
2008-02-13 17:15 < Gracenotes> oh, you're writing an article about it?
2008-02-13 17:15 < Gracenotes> sweet :)
2008-02-13 17:15 * brown_cat cuddles Gracenotes :D
2008-02-13 17:15 < tgies> [[Music Macro Language]]
2008-02-13 17:15 * brown_cat is happy today
2008-02-13 17:15 * Gracenotes remembers using it to play Happy Birthday, among other themes
2008-02-13 17:15 < tgies> yeah
2008-02-13 17:15 < Gracenotes> someone I know wrote a basic implementation of it in Java
2008-02-13 17:15 < tgies> oh? that's very interesting to me
2008-02-13 17:16 < tgies> do you have a link or anything related to that?
2008-02-13 17:16 < Gracenotes> yep, using javax.sound.midi
2008-02-13 17:16 < tgies> The most common usage these days is in writing music for the NES
2008-02-13 17:16 < tgies> Someone came out with a tool in 2001 which compiles that notation to NES assembly language
2008-02-13 17:16 < bumm13> nice
2008-02-13 17:17 < bumm13> NES uses its flavor of 6502
2008-02-13 17:17 < tgies> There are also a lot of ringtone languages which obviously take their inspiration from the original Music Macro Language
2008-02-13 17:17 < tgies> It was really well-known in Japan because every single crappy home computer implemented it in some form or another
2008-02-13 17:17 < Gracenotes> heh
2008-02-13 17:18 < tgies> as a result, virtually all the documentation about it is in Japanese, so I wound up borrowing heavily from [[ja:Music Macro Language]] and the like
2008-02-13 17:18 < bumm13> MSX comes to mind
2008-02-13 17:18 < tgies> bumm13: yeah! MSX BASIC used MML
2008-02-13 17:18 < bumm13> :)
2008-02-13 17:18 < tgies> though I SUSPECT they called it Macro Music Language instead, swapping the first two words
2008-02-13 17:18 < Gracenotes> tgies: here's the Java version http://pastebin.com/m1b06530b, written by AMcBain
2008-02-13 17:18 < tgies> I want to add that to this article, but I need to find a citation for that
2008-02-13 17:19 < Gracenotes> you can PM him if you have any questions :)
2008-02-13 17:19 < kyorosuke> http://www.dorkclub.com/innmusic/ <-- speaking of NES music
2008-02-13 17:19 < tgies> It is hard enough to find citations for these in Japanese, and I'm trying to stick to English citations where possible for reasons of accessiblilty
2008-02-13 17:19 < tgies> *accessibility
2008-02-13 17:19 < Demi> ah yes, i had that on my giant clamshell pager
2008-02-13 17:19 * NovaDog barks
2008-02-13 17:19 < tgies> haha he compiled the inn music.
2008-02-13 17:19 < tgies> that is hilarious
2008-02-13 17:19 < Gracenotes> tgies: that would make a very interesting DYK, by the way
2008-02-13 17:20 < kyorosuke> doo-doo-do-doo
2008-02-13 17:20 < tgies> gracenotes: what specifically? I was trying to think of a good hook to pull from that article for a DYK, but it was escaping me
2008-02-13 17:20 < Gracenotes> maybe something about its widespread use
2008-02-13 17:21 < tgies> Yeah, good idea
2008-02-13 17:21 < tgies> Just need to finish adding the part where I prove that
2008-02-13 17:21 < Gracenotes> the influence of it on the cell phone ringtone language you mentioned might make a good hook, as well
2008-02-13 17:21 < Gracenotes> if you have a source for that. yep.
2008-02-13 17:21 < tgies> yeah
2008-02-13 17:22 < tgies> I forget, are foreign language cites particularly frowned upon? There are hundreds of Japanese sources for these, but a dearth of English ones
2008-02-13 17:22 < The359> if there is no alternative, there shouldn't be a problem with it
2008-02-13 17:22 < kyorosuke> foreign language sources are fine
2008-02-13 17:23 < Gracenotes> lol, now I want to load up my old copy of QBASIC =]
2008-02-13 17:23 < tgies> haha
2008-02-13 17:23 < Gracenotes> (pirated, by the way, but Microsoft doesn't make it anymore, so... >.>)
2008-02-13 17:23 < kyorosuke> you could have someone else who speaks the language look them over in case someone objects, but it doesn't matter much
2008-02-13 17:23 < tgies> yeah I have a lot of friends who are native speakers, including one who is an admin over at ja
2008-02-13 17:24 < tgies> so there shouldn't be any real problem
2008-02-13 17:24 < kyorosuke> sweet
2008-02-13 17:24 < tgies> anyone who remembers MML from playing around in BASIC might find this interesting
2008-02-13 17:24 < tgies> http://wgiowrb.pastebin.com/f3289a715
2008-02-13 17:24 < Gracenotes> ah, there it is, QBASIC.HLP :)
2008-02-13 17:24 < tgies> this is a cover of a song from Sonic the Hedgehog 3
2008-02-13 17:24 < tgies> done on the NES
2008-02-13 17:24 < tgies> I wrote it in a dialect of MML
2008-02-13 17:25 < tgies> http://box-team.net/music/BOX%20TEAM%20-%20SONIC%203%20-%20END%201.mp3
2008-02-13 17:25 < tgies> here's what it sounds like
2008-02-13 17:25 < Gracenotes> tgies: you did see the many examples provided in the Java file, right? :)
2008-02-13 17:25 < tgies> gracenotes yes :D
2008-02-13 17:26 < tgies> thanks for the link by the way
2008-02-13 17:26 * eth01 waves
2008-02-13 17:26 < Gracenotes> sure
2008-02-13 17:27 < Gracenotes> tgies: I was a terrible QBASIC programmer -- in my defense, I was 11 at the time ;) -- but here's my Birthday program: http://pastebin.com/m37ee926a
2008-02-13 17:29 < Gracenotes> lol, I have so many other badly written programs >.<
2008-02-13 17:30 < tgies> haha that's pretty cute
2008-02-13 17:30 < tgies> i should find some of mine
2008-02-13 17:30 < tgies> i first got hold of QBasic at the age of 6 or 7
2008-02-13 17:30 < tgies> so my early programs are... yeah
2008-02-13 17:30 < Gracenotes> how old are you?
2008-02-13 17:31 < Gracenotes> (if you don't mind me asking)
2008-02-13 17:31 < bumm13> I had a second-hand Atari 2600 when I was 6 :)
2008-02-13 17:31 < NotASpy> Gracenotes: that's not a bad little program, actually.
2008-02-13 17:32 < Gracenotes> NotASpy: oh, really :) the program of which I'm most proud is an asteroid one
2008-02-13 17:33 < Gracenotes> there's a static asteroid field, and you had to get through it without hitting any of the (non-moving) asteroids
2008-02-13 17:33 < Gracenotes> the whole thing was just ASCII characters floating around the screen :)
2008-02-13 17:33 < Huntster> but could you dock to the asteroids and mine them for bonus points? ;)
2008-02-13 17:33 < Gracenotes> heh, no
2008-02-13 17:33 < NotASpy> I've always been rather fond of QBASIC, I doubt I've had a computer that didn't have QBASIC installed, current laptop included.
2008-02-13 17:34 < Gracenotes> then there's one in which you have to pick up garbage that's falling into a body of water, but you can't drown
2008-02-13 17:34 < Gracenotes> so you have to surface every once in a while
2008-02-13 17:35 < Gracenotes> then a 552-line poor technopet emulator
2008-02-13 17:35 * Gracenotes slaps tgies for making him spew nostalgic nonsense =]
2008-02-13 17:36 < tgies> i do that a lot
2008-02-13 17:36 < tgies> <Gracenotes> how old are you?
2008-02-13 17:36 < tgies> 19
2008-02-13 17:37 * bumm13 clutches his cane
2008-02-13 17:37 < Gracenotes> ah. I only got my computer around 2001, and I'm 17 now.
2008-02-13 17:37 < Gracenotes> Windows on my first computer crashed entirely after a year
2008-02-13 17:38 < Gracenotes> so I was stuck with MS-DOS. Thankfully, I had installed BASIC before that.
2008-02-13 17:48 < Sfan00> QBAISC is for l0Lz
2008-02-13 17:48 < Sfan00> Real programmers use C :)
2008-02-13 17:49 * Snowolf is considering learning LOLCODE
2008-02-13 17:49 * Majorly_away is away: Detatched
2008-02-13 17:50 < kyorosuke> Google ads want me to visit the "Phenomenal Memory School" to hone my potentially superhuman memory, which I apparently have.
2008-02-13 17:50 < danopia> kyorosuke, do you remember what you jsut said?
2008-02-13 17:51 < kyorosuke> just barely
2008-02-13 17:53 < NotACow> all those people sucked anyway.
2008-02-13 17:53 < Stormscape> lol
2008-02-13 17:53 < Stormscape> Troof
2008-02-13 17:53 < Demi> they probably think you suck
2008-02-13 17:54 < NotACow> yes, well, they're stupid. :)
2008-02-13 17:55 < Stormscape> =P
2008-02-13 17:55 < danopia> meanwhile, on the other side of the netsplit, someone says "all those people sucked anyway."
2008-02-13 17:55 < danopia> opps too late
2008-02-13 17:55 < danopia> nvm
2008-02-13 17:56 < McMonster> rotfl
2008-02-13 17:56 < Martinp23> o_O
2008-02-13 17:58 < Rinn> I guess that was a netquake?
2008-02-13 17:58 < eth01> netsplit.
2008-02-13 17:58 < NotACow> more like a netsplintering
2008-02-13 17:58 < eth01> uncontrollable too :P
2008-02-13 17:58 < NotACow> netchuggachuggapoopoo
2008-02-13 17:58 < McMonster> 8 screens of join actions :P
2008-02-13 17:58 < Rinn> Four netsplits is equal to a netquake.
2008-02-13 18:00 < McMonster> I wonder if that would be bad if I would post log showing this netsplit? :]
2008-02-13 18:01 < Rinn> Only if you didn't include NotACow's comment.
2008-02-13 18:01 < McMonster> join commands are enough
2008-02-13 18:01 < Rinn> Well that's just boring.
2008-02-13 18:01 < McMonster> looked funny
2008-02-13 18:02 < NotACow> DEATH TO JOINING
2008-02-13 18:02 < privatemusings> eeeep
2008-02-13 18:02 < privatemusings> more death.....
2008-02-13 18:44 < jfdwolff> gosh, busy here
2008-02-13 18:44 < Mike_H> i kno rite
2008-02-13 19:05 < Leslie_S> heh. im thinking about cancelling XM and offing my equipment
2008-02-13 19:05 < Leslie_S> they kepe harrassing me with *HANG UP CALLS* because they think i owe them money.
2008-02-13 19:05 < Leslie_S> wtf use is it to call me and hang up?
2008-02-13 19:05 < NotACow> narf
2008-02-13 19:05 < Demi> as in, you answer and they hang up, or you screen the call and they hang up without a message?
2008-02-13 19:06 < Leslie_S> and im getting hangup calls from a private number, not sure if its related.
2008-02-13 19:06 < Leslie_S> Demi i answer and they hang up
2008-02-13 19:06 < Demi> (for some reason i've been getting hangups from someone after half a ring
2008-02-13 19:06 < Leslie_S> its so obnoxious
2008-02-13 19:06 < Demi> Leslie_S - i dunno, collectors usually want to talk to you, so often they won't leave a message
2008-02-13 19:06 < Demi> Leslie_S - it might be an autodialer gone awry
2008-02-13 19:06 < Leslie_S> Demi yeah, but i answer
2008-02-13 19:06 < Leslie_S> and i dont owe them money ;/
2008-02-13 19:07 < Leslie_S> im paid up to date
2008-02-13 19:07 < Demi> Leslie_S - well, that's the kind of thing a deadbeat *would* say, isn't it?
2008-02-13 19:07 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-02-13 19:07 < Leslie_S> hell
2008-02-13 19:07 < Leslie_S> i just checked and theyre computer shows that THEY OWE ME 10 CENTS
2008-02-13 19:07 < Leslie_S> *their
2008-02-13 19:08 < Leslie_S> im gonna send them a collections letter.
2008-02-13 19:08 < Leslie_S> anyway, XM is one of the stupidest companies ive ever dealt with.
2008-02-13 19:08 < Leslie_S> i like the service they provide though :(
2008-02-13 19:09 < YeltsinFan> Hello
2008-02-13 19:09 < YeltsinFan> Hello?
2008-02-13 19:10 < yao_ziyuan> yeltsin...
2008-02-13 19:10 < yao_ziyuan> what a joke...
2008-02-13 19:10 < yao_ziyuan> yeltsin is like china's sun yat sen
2008-02-13 19:10 < Warpath> XD
2008-02-13 19:10 < YeltsinFan> Is there somthing wrong with Yeltsin?
2008-02-13 19:10 < yao_ziyuan> an individual hero can't wake up a whole nation
2008-02-13 19:10 < yao_ziyuan> YeltsinFan: are you russian?
2008-02-13 19:11 < YeltsinFan> No
2008-02-13 19:11 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-02-13 19:11 < YeltsinFan> I am a Scocialist, i looked up this sun yat sen, leader of an unreconised country
2008-02-13 19:11 < YeltsinFan> I personally support the Peoples Republic of China
2008-02-13 19:11 < yao_ziyuan> ...
2008-02-13 19:11 < yao_ziyuan> are you a mainland chinese?
2008-02-13 19:12 < Leslie_S> .....
2008-02-13 19:12 < Demi> i paid a $0.20 fine to the library recently
2008-02-13 19:12 < YeltsinFan> No
2008-02-13 19:12 < YeltsinFan> I am Canadian
2008-02-13 19:12 < Leslie_S> Demi i paid a $6 fine to the library recently!
2008-02-13 19:12 < YeltsinFan> Ethnicially German
2008-02-13 19:12 < yao_ziyuan> wait for me to restart this chat window
2008-02-13 19:12 < Leslie_S> Demi its my college library though, atleast it went to a reasonable cost. i hope they use that money to buy books!
2008-02-13 19:13 < yao_ziyuan> ok now
2008-02-13 19:13 < YeltsinFan> Do you You support the PRC or No?
2008-02-13 19:13 < yao_ziyuan> i'm a mainland chinese
2008-02-13 19:14 < yao_ziyuan> me supporting it or now makes no difference
2008-02-13 19:14 < yao_ziyuan> s/now/not
2008-02-13 19:14 < YeltsinFan> I see
2008-02-13 19:15 < YeltsinFan> I find the former nation of East Germany a wonderful country, land of ancesters
2008-02-13 19:15 < yao_ziyuan> the truth about yeltsin is that he is ahead of russia's time
2008-02-13 19:15 < YeltsinFan> He was a former Communist-Now, or was, changed to a Democrat
2008-02-13 19:15 < YeltsinFan> Both Leftist policies
2008-02-13 19:15 < White_Cat> what is this?
2008-02-13 19:16 < Messedrocker> the communist party of russia is leftist?
2008-02-13 19:16 < YeltsinFan> Anyway, i came here to tell you all we are at Wiki-Def-Con 2 Here
2008-02-13 19:16 < Messedrocker> did they have to abandon totalitarianism? that must've been a bitch
2008-02-13 19:16 < OverlordQ> OH NOES DEFCON 2!?
2008-02-13 19:16 < YeltsinFan> Yes we are on DefCon2
2008-02-13 19:16 * White_Cat is eager to launch nukes
2008-02-13 19:16 < YeltsinFan> I support Communism, not Totalitarianism
2008-02-13 19:17 < YeltsinFan> I am extreme left, not right
2008-02-13 19:17 < Messedrocker> communism only really works with unanimous support
2008-02-13 19:17 < YeltsinFan> There IS a diffrence between Scocialism and National Scocialism
2008-02-13 19:17 * White_Cat pushes YeltsinFan off the left side of the table
2008-02-13 19:17 < Messedrocker> and since unanimous support seldom exists you usually force it on the people, hence the totalitarian style of stalin
2008-02-13 19:17 < YeltsinFan> I am a Scocialist
2008-02-13 19:17 < White_Cat> now you are frther left and down :D
2008-02-13 19:17 < YeltsinFan> I am a Marxist, not a Stalinist
2008-02-13 19:18 < gwern> 'More than iron, more than lead, more than gold I need electricity. \ I need it more than I need lamb or pork or lettuce or cucumber. \ I need it for my dreams.'
2008-02-13 19:18 < yao_ziyuan> YeltsinFan: you stay in house in a cold place like canada and just imagine what the world should be
2008-02-13 19:18 < yao_ziyuan> YeltsinFan: you're out of reality
2008-02-13 19:18 < yao_ziyuan> out of practice
2008-02-13 19:18 < av16ar> I have a question whose answer don't seems to be in Wikipedia
2008-02-13 19:18 < YeltsinFan> Ask it
2008-02-13 19:19 < av16ar> who coined the name Nupedia?
2008-02-13 19:19 < Demi> beavers mate for life
2008-02-13 19:19 < Demi> 11 > 4
2008-02-13 19:19 < YeltsinFan> Communism cannot answer that
2008-02-13 19:19 < YeltsinFan> Ask a question Communism can solve
2008-02-13 19:19 < YeltsinFan> and Canada is not all cold
2008-02-13 19:19 < yao_ziyuan> YeltsinFan: gimme a chick
2008-02-13 19:19 < YeltsinFan> may be cold now
2008-02-13 19:19 < YeltsinFan> Not in summer
2008-02-13 19:20 < YeltsinFan> <yao_ziyuan> YeltsinFan: gimme a chick <---- What?
2008-02-13 19:20 < yao_ziyuan> share property, share wives
2008-02-13 19:20 < YeltsinFan> Oh evay
2008-02-13 19:20 < Demi> yep
2008-02-13 19:20 < Demi> a chick in every pot
2008-02-13 19:20 < YeltsinFan> Its property, not people
2008-02-13 19:20 < yao_ziyuan> ,,
2008-02-13 19:20 < yao_ziyuan> '
2008-02-13 19:21 < YeltsinFan> Uhhh, its property, Marx did not tell us to own or share people
2008-02-13 19:21 < Demi> except to compel them to serve the state
2008-02-13 19:21 < YeltsinFan> It works we all own everything, but not people
2008-02-13 19:21 < YeltsinFan> You all are too educated
2008-02-13 19:21 < Demi> you are educated stupid
2008-02-13 19:21 < YeltsinFan> These damn Capatialists are spreading thier properganda
2008-02-13 19:21 < Messedrocker> HA!
2008-02-13 19:21 < yao_ziyuan> people become the master of property, how wonderful
2008-02-13 19:22 < YeltsinFan> Telling them this and that
2008-02-13 19:22 < Demi> you believe in the twenty-four hour day, you don't undurstand cubic time
2008-02-13 19:22 < yao_ziyuan> masters
2008-02-13 19:22 < YeltsinFan> These damn Capatialists are spreading thier properganda
2008-02-13 19:22 < Messedrocker> Demi, go touch Marianne Faithfull with your blasphemous linear time!
2008-02-13 19:22 < gwern> that poem was quoted from [[Racter]], btw
2008-02-13 19:22 < YeltsinFan> These damn Capatialists are spreading thier properganda
2008-02-13 19:22 < YeltsinFan> Dont you see here
2008-02-13 19:22 < gwern> Demi: the educational establishment suppreses our quartic truth!
2008-02-13 19:22 < Messedrocker> YeltsinFan, quit repeating yourself
2008-02-13 19:22 < Leslie_S> hmm. i want to do something *EXTREMELY* [[WP:POINT]]y to XM.
2008-02-13 19:22 < YeltsinFan> I need to repeat oneself
2008-02-13 19:22 < Leslie_S> i wanna start harrassing them, demanding they pay me the 10 cents they owe me
2008-02-13 19:22 < Messedrocker> PRONOUN CONFUSION
2008-02-13 19:23 < gwern> Messedrocker: how can he stop repeating himself when Russian history won't?
2008-02-13 19:23 < YeltsinFan> TEN BLOODY CENTS
2008-02-13 19:23 < YeltsinFan> Due Explain, gwern
2008-02-13 19:23 < Messedrocker> gwern, oh schnapps
2008-02-13 19:23 < yao_ziyuan> YeltsinFan: well,
2008-02-13 19:23 < Leslie_S> YeltsinFan the point is they keep bothering me because they think they owe me money
2008-02-13 19:23 < yao_ziyuan> YeltsinFan: if all property is shared,
2008-02-13 19:23 < Messedrocker> YeltsinFan, at least capitalists spread around grammar textbooks
2008-02-13 19:23 < yao_ziyuan> YeltsinFan: how to determine who uses something at a time?
2008-02-13 19:23 < YeltsinFan> Exuse my spelling
2008-02-13 19:24 < YeltsinFan> The library is the peoples, not the states
2008-02-13 19:24 < NotACow> DEATH TO PRONOUNS
2008-02-13 19:24 < Demi> i don't think that's the way they do it in china, anyway. i've seen half-hour documentaries and even a couple of hour-long ones, so i'm kind of an expert.
2008-02-13 19:24 < gwern> Messedrocker: delusinal schnapps, excellent
2008-02-13 19:24 < YeltsinFan> they dont owe any money to you, nor should you owe to them
2008-02-13 19:24 < YeltsinFan> the books are made in canada, for instance
2008-02-13 19:24 < YeltsinFan> they are the peoples trees
2008-02-13 19:24 < YeltsinFan> the paper
2008-02-13 19:24 < YeltsinFan> makes books
2008-02-13 19:24 < YeltsinFan> and thus, the peoples book
2008-02-13 19:25 < YeltsinFan> Do you all see now?
2008-02-13 19:25 < yao_ziyuan> YeltsinFan: communism just says all property is shared by all people.
2008-02-13 19:25 < YeltsinFan> We, Mankind, is so used to people above and below us, that we cannot evolve
2008-02-13 19:25 < YeltsinFan> And, yes, we are used to owning and hogging things
2008-02-13 19:26 < YeltsinFan> Thus, we need to realise, expecially the people of the world, that we all not own this planet
2008-02-13 19:26 < yao_ziyuan> YeltsinFan: but what determines whoever is the next user of something and how long time to use it?
2008-02-13 19:26 < YeltsinFan> ok
2008-02-13 19:26 < YeltsinFan> to answer this
2008-02-13 19:26 < YeltsinFan> take a house
2008-02-13 19:26 < Demi> yao_ziyuan - central planning and party bosses, of course
2008-02-13 19:26 < YeltsinFan> This house is in, say my country, Canada....
2008-02-13 19:27 < yao_ziyuan> but how do you know a planning is fair to everyone?
2008-02-13 19:27 < Messedrocker> This house is a very very fine house
2008-02-13 19:27 < Demi> yao_ziyuan - it almost assuredly is not
2008-02-13 19:27 < YeltsinFan> We all own this house, as i own all other homes in the state
2008-02-13 19:27 < yao_ziyuan> actually, fairness can't be exactly measured
2008-02-13 19:27 < Demi> i doubt you can get two people to even agree on a detailed definition of "fair"
2008-02-13 19:27 < YeltsinFan> I own everything, and so does everybody else
2008-02-13 19:27 < YeltsinFan> If canada Was communist
2008-02-13 19:27 < Demi> i want to sit home while the government sends me food and entertainment
2008-02-13 19:27 < YeltsinFan> We would all own everything within the border
2008-02-13 19:27 < yao_ziyuan> for example,
2008-02-13 19:28 < yao_ziyuan> if you have an idea, and you want to find a programmer to code it into reality,
2008-02-13 19:28 < YeltsinFan> go on
2008-02-13 19:28 < yao_ziyuan> how much money should you pay him?
2008-02-13 19:28 < YeltsinFan> Nothing, it benifits him, as well as the people
2008-02-13 19:29 < YeltsinFan> You say you come from mainland china
2008-02-13 19:29 < YeltsinFan> what do you think of Mao?
2008-02-13 19:30 < yao_ziyuan> in centralized planning, how do you know the assignments for two persons are of equal workload?
2008-02-13 19:30 < YeltsinFan> Work is done by the people
2008-02-13 19:30 < YeltsinFan> We all countribute when we can
2008-02-13 19:30 < YeltsinFan> Allow me to quote Marx
2008-02-13 19:30 < YeltsinFan> Hold on
2008-02-13 19:30 < yao_ziyuan> creative work like writing an article or programming a program, their workloads can't be exactly measured. not by lines of code.
2008-02-13 19:31 < yao_ziyuan> you're crazier than i. period...
2008-02-13 19:31 < YeltsinFan> Grundrisse (1857)
2008-02-13 19:32 < YeltsinFan> echnology discloses the active relation of man towards nature, as well as the direct process of production of his very life, and thereby the process of production of his basic societal relations, of his own mentality, and his images of society, too
2008-02-13 19:32 < yao_ziyuan> fairness can only be realized by mutual will.
2008-02-13 19:32 < YeltsinFan> You seriously need a copy of Quotations from Chairman Mao
2008-02-13 19:32 < yao_ziyuan> that is, by contract.
2008-02-13 19:32 < YeltsinFan> Meaning you are forced to keep a copy?
2008-02-13 19:33 < av16ar> J_Milburn: are you the one who have just reverted my edit?
2008-02-13 19:33 < yao_ziyuan> i'm a fan of mao too
2008-02-13 19:33 < YeltsinFan> This is good, then why bash Scocialism?
2008-02-13 19:33 < yao_ziyuan> today's news says the US dept of state declassified a dialogue between Kissinger and Mao...
2008-02-13 19:33 < Messedrocker> i am no fan of a man who kills millions of people
2008-02-13 19:34 < Demi> "Sorry about starving everyone." --Mao
2008-02-13 19:34 < yao_ziyuan> Mao suggested to export 10,000,000 chinese women to america
2008-02-13 19:34 < J_Milburn> av16ar: Are you 16@r? If so, yes.
2008-02-13 19:34 < av16ar> J_Milburn: yes, I just want to know why
2008-02-13 19:34 < YeltsinFan> For what purpose
2008-02-13 19:35 < YeltsinFan> These Chinese people need to work for the advancement of Commnusim
2008-02-13 19:35 < yao_ziyuan> Mao also hoped russia to atomic-bomb all chinese above 30 yrs of age to death, so that his mandarin plan can carry out more easily
2008-02-13 19:35 < yao_ziyuan> uniting all chinese dialects to mandarin
2008-02-13 19:35 < YeltsinFan> You mean simplified Chinese?
2008-02-13 19:35 < J_Milburn> av16ar: There is a current effort to reduce the off-topicing on Talk:Main Page- it's meant to be about the Main Page only, not just a general questions/comments page
2008-02-13 19:36 < YeltsinFan> Anyway, i just came to tell
2008-02-13 19:36 < J_Milburn> av16ar: From experience, the reference desk is good, you might want to try asking them
2008-02-13 19:36 < YeltsinFan> We have a DefCon2
2008-02-13 19:36 < av16ar> J_Milburn: Ok I understand, could you please help to find ...
2008-02-13 19:36 < YeltsinFan> oh god
2008-02-13 19:36 < YeltsinFan> DEFCON1
2008-02-13 19:36 < YeltsinFan> I just looked
2008-02-13 19:36 < YeltsinFan> Holy Crap
2008-02-13 19:36 < Messedrocker> CALL THE PENTAGON
2008-02-13 19:36 < YeltsinFan> We have a DefCON1
2008-02-13 19:37 < Messedrocker> CALL THE HEXAGON
2008-02-13 19:37 < Messedrocker> CALL THE TRIANGLE
2008-02-13 19:37 < YeltsinFan> What are you waiting for you idiots, get TO YOUR ANTIVANDALISM STATIONS
2008-02-13 19:37 < Demi> call the tetrominoes!
2008-02-13 19:37 < YeltsinFan> What are you waiting for you idiots, get TO YOUR ANTIVANDALISM STATIONS
2008-02-13 19:37 < YeltsinFan> For the love of christ, get TO WORK
2008-02-13 19:37 * Messedrocker sorts tetrominoes
2008-02-13 19:38 * Messedrocker arranges them in a continuous block and they all disappear
2008-02-13 19:38 < YeltsinFan> Our Scociaist wiki is in danger
2008-02-13 19:38 < YeltsinFan> No really
2008-02-13 19:38 < YeltsinFan> we do have a defcon1
2008-02-13 19:38 < av16ar> J_Milburn: Thank you, I'm gonna try [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous]]
2008-02-13 19:38 < YeltsinFan> check fo your self
2008-02-13 19:38 < yao_ziyuan> YeltsinFan: you know what's your downfall? you flood too fast
2008-02-13 19:38 < Messedrocker> YeltsinFan, "Socialist" is spelled "S-O-C-I-A-L-I-S-T"
2008-02-13 19:38 < YeltsinFan> I flood for the advancement
2008-02-13 19:38 < YeltsinFan> we have a defcon 1
2008-02-13 19:38 < YeltsinFan> and you all sit on your asses
2008-02-13 19:39 < Messedrocker> YeltsinFan, there already are a copious amount of anti-vandalism services
2008-02-13 19:39 < Messedrocker> but
2008-02-13 19:39 < YeltsinFan> Whilst the MotherWiki is in danger
2008-02-13 19:39 < YeltsinFan> The MotherWiki is in danger
2008-02-13 19:39 * Messedrocker loads firefox
2008-02-13 19:39 < YeltsinFan> Look
2008-02-13 19:39 < YeltsinFan> if you all care about the WikiProject, get off your asses and fix this
2008-02-13 19:40 < YeltsinFan> Now ill get to work
2008-02-13 19:40 < YeltsinFan> Damn Cappies
2008-02-13 19:40 < YeltsinFan> Cappies means Capatialist
2008-02-13 19:40 < YeltsinFan> Get it, Commies, Cappies
2008-02-13 19:40 < YeltsinFan> I found that a riot when i coined that
2008-02-13 19:41 < YeltsinFan> GET TO WORK ALL
2008-02-13 19:41 < YeltsinFan> DEF CON 1
2008-02-13 19:41 < YeltsinFan> WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR
2008-02-13 19:41 < Warpath> O_O
2008-02-13 19:41 < gwern> My fellow #wikipedians, I am pleased to announce that the channel ops have passed legislation that outlaws YeltsinFans forever. We begin banning in 5 minutes.
2008-02-13 19:41 < zvook> haha
2008-02-13 19:42 < YeltsinFan> Oh Drop dead
2008-02-13 19:42 < YeltsinFan> i am here trying to benifit myself and Wikipedia
2008-02-13 19:42 < gwern> YeltsinFan: you are rambling on and on displeasingly
2008-02-13 19:42 < gwern> ...well, to an order of magnitude I was right?
2008-02-13 19:45 < Demi> Messedrocker - he might have wanted just a skosh of scocialism
2008-02-13 19:48 < bumm13> damn, he was in here a long time...
2008-02-13 19:49 < gwern> yeah. we may not be discussing ajnything right now, but at least he won't be getting in the way of our not doing anything
2008-02-13 19:49 < Red_Farmer> lol
2008-02-13 19:51 < Warpath> gwern, they were assuming good faith :p
2008-02-13 19:51 < NameAlreadyInUse> how much does that AGF rule apply anyway?
2008-02-13 19:51 < Demi> you eat in restaurants, don't you?
2008-02-13 19:52 < zvook> ahahaha
2008-02-13 19:52 < NameAlreadyInUse> actually, i don't
2008-02-13 19:52 < NameAlreadyInUse> i do order in though
2008-02-13 19:52 < gwern> agf is the old 'be open minded, but not so open-minded your brain falls out' bit of common sense
2008-02-13 19:53 < NameAlreadyInUse> consider
2008-02-13 19:53 < NameAlreadyInUse> the page "shitwizards" directed to "doritos"
2008-02-13 19:53 < NameAlreadyInUse> for about half a year
2008-02-13 19:53 < NameAlreadyInUse> i don't see good faith
2008-02-13 19:54 < gwern> ok. so? was [[shitwizards]] linked from very many places?
2008-02-13 19:54 < zvook> are you suggesting that people assumed there must have been a good reason for that?
2008-02-13 19:54 < NameAlreadyInUse> well
2008-02-13 19:54 < NameAlreadyInUse> i'm sure that, once the page was deleted
2008-02-13 19:54 * gwern would suggest that if you engage in such pathetic and ineffective vandalism, why should anyone bother doing anything about you?
2008-02-13 19:54 < Luna-San> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jason_Kidd&diff=prev&oldid=191311383 <-- somebody who knows basketball, I sure as hell don't
2008-02-13 19:54 < NameAlreadyInUse> someone was quick to place a "congratulations, your test worked" on the guys talk page
2008-02-13 19:55 * NameAlreadyInUse does not vandalize at all, but feels it almost impossible to assume good faith in many situations
2008-02-13 19:57 < zvook> presumably the "your test works" was just a generic template.
2008-02-13 19:57 < NameAlreadyInUse> a spammy one
2008-02-13 19:57 < gwern> all templates are spammy
2008-02-13 19:58 < gwern> it's hard to have a ham template
2008-02-13 19:58 < Warpath> XD
2008-02-13 19:58 < Miranda> Luna-San: yes http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/fba/story?id=3244496
2008-02-13 19:58 < gwern> 'RICHARD. Noble brother, thy tale is furious,
2008-02-13 19:58 < Miranda> you can use that ref too
2008-02-13 19:58 < NameAlreadyInUse> nothing is more irritating than seeing someone replace an entire page with "MONSTER COCK", and then going to their talk page and finding "congratulations, your test worked!"
2008-02-13 19:58 < gwern> yet slaughtering attorneys in truth is essential.
2008-02-13 19:58 < zvook> he just moved to dallas, yeah
2008-02-13 19:58 < Luna-San> Miranda: Ah, thanks~
2008-02-13 19:59 < gwern> NameAlreadyInUse: right. Ham would be congratulating them on their distended penis and suggesting they find more renumerative avenues about informaing folks of their member of great girth
2008-02-13 19:59 < cremepuff222> This channel is crazy.
2008-02-13 20:00 < NameAlreadyInUse> gwern: well, it would be a lot more humorous than the typical response
2008-02-13 20:00 < gwern> cremepuff222: we're not out of order! you're out of order! this whole damn system is out of order!
2008-02-13 20:00 < cremepuff222> :-D
2008-02-13 20:00 < gwern> cremepuff222: alternative reply: 'Madness? Madness? THIS - IS - #WIKIPEDIA!!!1'
2008-02-13 20:01 < gwern> you must choose your own adventure
2008-02-13 20:01 < gwern> because you are radically free
2008-02-13 20:02 < Jerry8> Hello, is there a channel for OTRS volunteers?
2008-02-13 20:02 < gwern> 'I recognize that the thought of an "invader of Italian music" is boringly formidable yet I ponder that way. We whisper of Telemann and Robbins, of wine, lettuce and Smith, nevertheless we see that our thoughts are fortunately captivating. '
2008-02-13 20:02 < Jerry8> I mean I want to contact one, not that I am one.
2008-02-13 20:02 < Randomizing> Wake up!
2008-02-13 20:03 < Randomizing> Why don't you put on a little make-up?!
2008-02-13 20:03 < Randomizing> I DON'T THINK YOU TRUST
2008-02-13 20:03 < Randomizing> IN
2008-02-13 20:03 < Randomizing> MY
2008-02-13 20:03 < Jerry8> hrm?
2008-02-13 20:03 < Randomizing> SELF-RIGHTOUS SUICID
2008-02-13 20:03 < Randomizing> I
2008-02-13 20:03 < Randomizing> CRY
2008-02-13 20:03 < Randomizing> WHEN ANGELS DESERVE TO DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2008-02-13 20:03 < NameAlreadyInUse> so many songs
2008-02-13 20:03 < Warpath> >:(
2008-02-13 20:03 < gwern> Randomizing: I am a sheeple, hence I cannot wake up
2008-02-13 20:03 < NameAlreadyInUse> by so many bands
2008-02-13 20:03 < NameAlreadyInUse> and you choose SoaD
2008-02-13 20:03 < gwern> mister sandman, mister sandman, bring me a dream
2008-02-13 20:03 < Warpath> XD
2008-02-13 20:03 < Jerry8> Hello, is there a channel for contacting OTRS volunteers?
2008-02-13 20:03 < gwern> make her the prettiest thing, I've ever seen...
2008-02-13 20:04 < cremepuff222> jeremyb, not sure.
2008-02-13 20:04 < Randomizing> Well, I like serj tankian better but noone listens to anything by them 'cept fucking Empty Walls.
2008-02-13 20:04 < gwern> Jerry8: I see none listed on [[Wikipedia:IRC channels]]
2008-02-13 20:04 < Jerry8> hmmmm
2008-02-13 20:04 * cremepuff222 wonders what OTRS stands for.
2008-02-13 20:04 < gwern> #wikimedia-otrs might work
2008-02-13 20:05 < Jerry8> I followed the instructions there, and I got a moderated message waiting approval reply.... days ago.... no response or action.
2008-02-13 20:05 < cremepuff222> Yep, that's it.
2008-02-13 20:05 < gwern> cremepuff222: it's explained at [[Wikipedia:OTRS]]
2008-02-13 20:05 < cremepuff222> Oh, that.
2008-02-13 20:05 < Jerry8> I thought OTRS was a fairly quick thing...
2008-02-13 20:06 < Jerry8> this is user:Jerry by the way
2008-02-13 20:06 < NameAlreadyInUse> what is this OTRS?
2008-02-13 20:07 < NotACow> NameAlreadyInUse: an excuse generation system
2008-02-13 20:07 < NotACow> NameAlreadyInUse: a place where complaints go to die
2008-02-13 20:07 < gwern> in the cynical view, anyway.
2008-02-13 20:08 < NameAlreadyInUse> what is the non-cynical version?
2008-02-13 20:08 < NotACow> gwern: the only valid viewpoint there is
2008-02-13 20:08 < gwern> NameAlreadyInUse: it's a not-entirely broken way for non-wikipedians to get important stuff done
2008-02-13 20:09 < gwern> although not-entirely-broken isn't too hard, when you compare it to the helpdesk-l mailing list we used before
2008-02-13 20:13 < Randomizing> YOU
2008-02-13 20:13 < Randomizing> YOU
2008-02-13 20:14 < Randomizing> I
2008-02-13 20:14 < Randomizing> DFASDFS
2008-02-13 20:14 < Randomizing> YOUcdGDFGDFGD
2008-02-13 20:14 < Randomizing> I DSGDFGD
2008-02-13 20:14 < Randomizing> NEED TO FUCK THE SYSTEM
2008-02-13 20:14 < NameAlreadyInUse> why, good sir
2008-02-13 20:14 < gwern> grasp genitals firmly. Rock back and forth against the wall
2008-02-13 20:15 < gwern> you are now sticking it to the man...
2008-02-13 20:15 < Alkivar> you didnt boot him Messed and that wasnt a quiet
2008-02-13 20:15 < nuba> heh
2008-02-13 20:15 < Messedrocker> i know, and i know
2008-02-13 20:16 < Alkivar> i know if he keeps it up he'll be in for some pain: http://www.frogview.com/uploadimages1/47b15b990d43e8.40431418frogview-gallery.jpg
2008-02-13 20:16 < Messedrocker> greetings, mark ryan
2008-02-13 20:16 < NotACow> chugga chugga
2008-02-13 20:16 < NotACow> markie!
2008-02-13 20:16 < Mark_Ryan> hi
2008-02-13 20:16 < gwern> Alkivar: wow. where's the blood I wonder
2008-02-13 20:17 < Alkivar> good question... probably wont come out til that horn does
2008-02-13 20:17 < Alkivar> but thats one hell of an owwie
2008-02-13 20:18 < gwern> I didn't think skin could stretch like that
2008-02-13 20:18 < gwern> I'm almost tempted to write it off as a shop or a fake leg
2008-02-13 20:18 < Luna-San> Oh! Shit! A bull! Let me get my... trusty prosthetic leg!
2008-02-13 20:19 < gwern> he's in the stands, not running with them
2008-02-13 20:19 < NameAlreadyInUse> i believe that picture must be a photoshop
2008-02-13 20:21 < gwern> [[List of unusual deaths]] <-- the heck
2008-02-13 20:21 < Messedrocker> send in
2008-02-13 20:21 < Messedrocker> THE CATS
2008-02-13 20:21 < Ceogar> what is this 4chan people comming in?
2008-02-13 20:21 < Messedrocker> Ceogar, actually it's a single man
2008-02-13 20:21 < Alkivar> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23135176/
2008-02-13 20:21 < Messedrocker> a single man and his love for cats
2008-02-13 20:21 < gwern> '48 BC: The Roman general Pompey, fleeing to Egypt after being defeated at the Battle of Pharsalus by his rival Julius Caesar, was stabbed, killed, and decapitated: his head was then preserved in a jar by the young king Ptolemy XIII and presented to Caesar, with whom he intended to ingratiate himself. Caesar was not amused.'
2008-02-13 20:22 < gwern> '# 207 BC: Chrysippus, a Greek stoic philosopher, is believed to have died of laughter after watching his drunk donkey attempt to eat figs.[2]'
2008-02-13 20:22 * Emo_Cat facehuggles Messedrocker
2008-02-13 20:22 < Ceogar> ahh, nice
2008-02-13 20:22 < Ceogar> cats are nice
2008-02-13 20:22 < NotACow> meow
2008-02-13 20:22 < Roof_cat> Ceogar - and delicious
2008-02-13 20:23 * Goth_cat nods
2008-02-13 20:23 < gwern> '69: The short-time Roman emperor Galba was killed after becoming extremely unpopular with both the Roman people and the Praetorian guard-- however, 120 different people claimed credit for having killed him. All of these names were recorded in a list and they all were later themselves executed by the emperor Vitellius.' <-- serious lols
2008-02-13 20:23 < gwern> let no one say Vitellius didn't try to avenge his predecessor!
2008-02-13 20:24 < gwern> '#
2008-02-13 20:24 < gwern> # 336: Arius, the heretical priest who precipitated the Council of Nicea, passed wind and evacuated his internal organs.
2008-02-13 20:24 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-13 20:24 < White_Cat> I choose you
2008-02-13 20:24 < White_Cat> :D
2008-02-13 20:24 < NameAlreadyInUse> Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-13 20:24 < Mike2> dont ban me or anything, but the people who are on wikipedia all the time editing the front page and joining in the discussions here, are u guys nerds with no life or something or do you work for wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.205.46.252 (talk) 00:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
2008-02-13 20:25 < NameAlreadyInUse> i am onto you
2008-02-13 20:25 < gwern> '1556: Emperor Nasiruddin Humayun of modern day Pakistan, Afghanistan and Northern India used to kneel in respect whenever he heard the call to prayer. Kneeling, he caught his foot in his robe and fell several flight of stairs that were made of stone. He died 3 days later of the wounds at the age of 47.'
2008-02-13 20:25 < NameAlreadyInUse> i suspect you are neither a ceiling
2008-02-13 20:25 < NameAlreadyInUse> nor a cat
2008-02-13 20:25 < NameAlreadyInUse> nor some combination of the two
2008-02-13 20:25 < Messedrocker> NameAlreadyInUse, he's a cat residing in the ceiling
2008-02-13 20:25 < gwern> '1671: François Vatel, chef to Louis XIV, committed suicide because his seafood order was late and he couldn't stand the shame of a postponed meal. His body was discovered by an aide, sent to tell him of the arrival of the fish.'
2008-02-13 20:25 < Ceiling_Cat> NameAlreadyInUse - you are correct that I am not a ceiling, but I'm definitely a cat. A cat who occupies a ceiling, and watches you
2008-02-13 20:25 < Messedrocker> and watching you through a hole in the ceiling
2008-02-13 20:25 < Ceiling_Cat> See http://www.ceilingcat.com/img/ceilingcat.jpg
2008-02-13 20:26 * NameAlreadyInUse gasps
2008-02-13 20:26 * Messedrocker strangles Ceiling_Cat with his eyes
2008-02-13 20:26 < gwern> '1899: French president Félix Faure died of a stroke while receiving oral sex in his office.'
2008-02-13 20:26 < gwern> '# 1884: Allan Pinkerton, detective, died of gangrene resulting from having bitten his tongue after stumbling on the sidewalk.[19]'
2008-02-13 20:27 < Messedrocker> what's so odd about dying of a stroke?
2008-02-13 20:27 < gwern> Messedrocker: i think it's the other circumstances
2008-02-13 20:27 < gwern> '1971: Jerome Irving Rodale, an American pioneer of organic farming, died of a heart attack while being interviewed on The Dick Cavett Show. According to urban legend, when he appeared to fall asleep, Cavett quipped "Are we boring you, Mr. Rodale?"[21], which Cavett has recently stated in a May 2007 New York Times article was incorrect - the initial reaction to Rodale was fellow guest Pete Hamill noticing something was wrong, and saying in a low ...
2008-02-13 20:27 < gwern> ... voice to Cavett, "This looks bad."[22] The show was never broadcast.'
2008-02-13 20:29 < gwern> '1945: Scientist Harry K. Daghlian, Jr. accidentally dropped a brick of tungsten carbide onto a sphere of plutonium while working on the Manhattan Project. This caused the plutonium to come to criticality; Daghlian died of radiation poisoning, becoming the first person to die in a criticality accident.' <-- hell of a way to make history
2008-02-13 20:30 < gwern> '1974: Christine Chubbuck, an American television news reporter, committed suicide during a live broadcast on July 15. At 9:38 AM, 8 minutes into her talk show, on WXLT-TV in Sarasota, Florida, she drew out a revolver and shot herself in the head.'
2008-02-13 20:30 < Mark_Ryan> yeah but the video of that didn't get broadcast
2008-02-13 20:30 < Mark_Ryan> they cut to black in the nick of time
2008-02-13 20:30 < gwern> '1975: The legendary Japanese kabuki actor Bandō Mitsugorō VIII died of severe poisoning when he ate four fugu livers (also known as pufferfish). The liver is considered one of the most (if not most) poisonous part of the fish, but Mitsugorō claimed to be immune to the poison. The fugu chef felt he could not refuse Mitsugorō and lost his license as a result.' <-- instant darwin award
2008-02-13 20:32 < gwern> '1983: Author Tennessee Williams died at the age of 71 after he choked on an eyedrop bottle cap in his room at the Hotel Elysee in New York. He would routinely place the cap in his mouth, lean back, and place his eyedrops in each eye.'
2008-02-13 20:32 < OverlordQ> gwern: not true
2008-02-13 20:32 < NameAlreadyInUse> a challenger appears
2008-02-13 20:33 < gwern> '1990: Joseph W. Burrus, aged 32, an aspiring magician, decided to perform the "buried alive" illusion in a plastic box covered with cement. The cement crushed the box and he died of asphyxia.' <-- oops
2008-02-13 20:33 < OverlordQ> gwern: he had kids, automatic disqualification
2008-02-13 20:33 < cimon> gwern: how did the tungsten carbide cause the plutonium to go critical? did it reflect the radiation back on the plutonium, or did it squeeze the plutonium tighterr or what?
2008-02-13 20:34 < NameAlreadyInUse> quit ruining the humorous possibly-factoids
2008-02-13 20:34 < Jerry8> slowed down the neutrons to the energy that made it react more with the plutonium
2008-02-13 20:34 < gwern> cimon: I have no idea. it could be compression
2008-02-13 20:34 < gwern> '1993: Garry Hoy, a Toronto lawyer, fell to his death after he threw himself through the glass wall on the 24th floor of the Toronto-Dominion Centre in order to prove the glass was "unbreakable."'
2008-02-13 20:34 * Jerry8 is a nuclear engineer
2008-02-13 20:34 < NameAlreadyInUse> lmao
2008-02-13 20:34 < NameAlreadyInUse> owned
2008-02-13 20:36 < cimon> gwern: that last one is one clear case of not figuring safety factors wrong. According to Richard Feynman, they *used* to do that on the shuttle program... like if an o ring burned through only one third of the way, they would claim a safety factor of three, when the correct one would have been zero.
2008-02-13 20:36 < gwern> '2002: Richard Sumner, an artist suffering from schizophrenia, went into Clocaenog Forest, Denbighshire, Wales, and committed suicide by handcuffing himself to a tree and throwing the keys away. His skeleton was discovered three years later by a hiker walking her dog.'
2008-02-13 20:36 < gwern> cimon: the glass one?
2008-02-13 20:36 < cimon> gwern: no the concrete and box
2008-02-13 20:37 < cimon> you have to figure what you use, can withstand many times the stress you put it under...
2008-02-13 20:37 < gwern> '2007: Jennifer Strange, a 28-year-old woman from Sacramento, died of water intoxication while trying to win a Wii console in a KDND 107.9 "The End" radio station's "Hold Your Wee for a Wii" contest, which involved drinking large quantities of water without urinating. She placed second in the contest.'
2008-02-13 20:38 < Rinn> Only second?
2008-02-13 20:38 < brick_redux> anyone know about interwiki links? [[Laptop]] has two different links to japanese articles and i want to know if this is an anomaly or correct.
2008-02-13 20:38 < brick_redux> in every other case i have seen only one link per language code.
2008-02-13 20:38 < gwern> Rinn: yes, that's what I find funny
2008-02-13 20:38 < gwern> brick_redux: go to the two ja articles and run'em through google translate
2008-02-13 20:38 < gwern> and find out
2008-02-13 20:39 < cimon> gwern: she died only a time after urinating...
2008-02-13 20:39 < brick_redux> gwern, i'm not worried about what's in those articles, rather whether it's normal/OK to give two conflicting interwiki links.
2008-02-13 20:40 < gwern> one might be outdated
2008-02-13 20:40 < cimon> gwern: water intoxication is a cumulative thing, in the brain, iirc
2008-02-13 20:40 < gwern> I've seen it before
2008-02-13 20:40 < Luna-San> brick_redux: For added fun, both ja articles link back to [[en:Laptop]]
2008-02-13 20:40 < OverlordQ> brick_redux: it looks like jp wiki needs some redirect/merge loving
2008-02-13 20:40 < OverlordQ> one is Laptop, the other article is Laptop computer
2008-02-13 20:40 < brick_redux> thanks guys. i guess i need to expect the possibility of this happening.
2008-02-13 20:40 < cimon> gwern: but that is one grim reminder of the dictum, that the dose makes the poison...
2008-02-13 20:41 < Luna-San> One of them does looks a fair bit more developed, on ja
2008-02-13 20:41 < brick_redux> definitely on similar or the same topics