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2008-02-13 13:54 < Gracenotes> but see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_proposal_policy, where the full process is outlined
2008-02-13 13:55 < Trickz> Gracenotes, what proper image tag is for a picture that i got permission to display on Wikipedia?
2008-02-13 13:56 < Gracenotes> Trickz: hm. Two questions, if you don't mind: from whom did you get permission, and what did you get permission for? To use it on Wikipedia, or to use it anywhere?
2008-02-13 13:56 < White_Cat> Gracenotes two questions
2008-02-13 13:56 < Gracenotes> well, kind of two-and-a-half :)
2008-02-13 13:56 < White_Cat> 1) Why do you ask so many questions?
2008-02-13 13:57 < Trickz> Well, [[Image:Tramzone6.png]]
2008-02-13 13:57 * White_Cat hugs Gracenotes
2008-02-13 13:57 < Trickz> was under a disputed statue
2008-02-13 13:57 < Trickz> one admin said it is a copyrighted picture
2008-02-13 13:57 < MrZ-man> We need more than "use on Wikipedia only"
2008-02-13 13:57 < Trickz> And
2008-02-13 13:58 < MrZ-man> it needs to be released under a free license
2008-02-13 13:58 < Trickz> it declares it as a free licence :)
2008-02-13 13:58 < MrZ-man> or "allowed for any use"
2008-02-13 13:58 < Trickz> well, actually, allowed for any use
2008-02-13 13:58 < Trickz> as long it doesn't cause any prejudice
2008-02-13 13:58 < Trickz> :0
2008-02-13 13:58 < Gracenotes> which may be a problem.
2008-02-13 13:59 < Gracenotes> Criteria for free images are basically: 1. Can be used anywhere, under any conditions (more-or-less) 2. Can be reproduced 3. Derivative works can be made 4. Derivative works can be reproduced
2008-02-13 13:59 < Trickz> the picture is a expired bus pass, and according to the email reply, the AMT doesn't object that it is put on Wikipedia
2008-02-13 13:59 < MrZ-man> was it /specifically/ released for use by someone in AMT?
2008-02-13 13:59 < Trickz> Well, i scanned it myself in HR
2008-02-13 14:00 < MrZ-man> for /any/ use
2008-02-13 14:00 < MrZ-man> not just educational/non-commercial
2008-02-13 14:00 < Trickz> yup
2008-02-13 14:00 < Trickz> like i said, it must not cause any prejudice
2008-02-13 14:01 < MrZ-man> forward the email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org
2008-02-13 14:01 < Trickz> it's french tough
2008-02-13 14:01 < MrZ-man> just permissions@wikimedia.org then
2008-02-13 14:02 < kibble> O_o
2008-02-13 14:02 < White_Cat> Gracenotes not true
2008-02-13 14:02 < Trickz> all done
2008-02-13 14:02 < Trickz> :)
2008-02-13 14:02 < White_Cat> can be used freely even comercialy allowing derivative works of any sort
2008-02-13 14:03 < Trickz> I'm working on another permission
2008-02-13 14:03 < Gracenotes> White_Cat: "any conditions" includes commercial use, no?
2008-02-13 14:03 < White_Cat> your .4 was redundent and you missed a 3.
2008-02-13 14:03 < White_Cat> it needs to be explicitly stated
2008-02-13 14:03 < White_Cat> that comercial usage is allowed
2008-02-13 14:03 < Gracenotes> o rly
2008-02-13 14:03 < White_Cat> and derviative works are allowed
2008-02-13 14:03 < White_Cat> safest way is to get them use a free license rather than invent one
2008-02-13 14:04 < Gracenotes> derivative works must be able to be reproduced freely, though.
2008-02-13 14:04 < Gracenotes> and I still don't see how "any conditions" doesn't include "commercial use"
2008-02-13 14:04 < White_Cat> freeness can be a matter of debate
2008-02-13 14:04 < Trickz> let's see what the email has to reply
2008-02-13 14:04 < White_Cat> Gracenotes stating explicitly has not harm and instead benefit
2008-02-13 14:04 < White_Cat> Gracenotes author may complain about comercial use later on
2008-02-13 14:04 < Gracenotes> but it's not required
2008-02-13 14:04 * White_Cat requires it on commons
2008-02-13 14:05 < Gracenotes> White_Cat: okay, making sure the copyright holder knows it is a good idea. but "any conditions" is still "any conditions"
2008-02-13 14:05 < Trickz> Who the fuck is User:Stifle
2008-02-13 14:05 < White_Cat> Gracenotes legaly yes I suppose :/
2008-02-13 14:07 < Leslie_S> Trickz ....
2008-02-13 14:07 < Trickz> yah?
2008-02-13 14:08 < Leslie_S> why do you think we know who it is?
2008-02-13 14:08 < Trickz> dunni
2008-02-13 14:08 < Trickz> lol
2008-02-13 14:09 * White_Cat licks Gracenotes violently
2008-02-13 14:09 < White_Cat> oh my
2008-02-13 14:09 < White_Cat> his head fell of
2008-02-13 14:09 * White_Cat reattaches
2008-02-13 14:09 < Gracenotes> oh what?
2008-02-13 14:10 < Gracenotes> thank you, I'll need that
2008-02-13 14:10 < White_Cat> Gracenotes dont mind me, merely applying virtual violence
2008-02-13 14:10 < Gracenotes> not at all
2008-02-13 14:10 * White_Cat continues to abuse Gracenotes's body
2008-02-13 14:12 < White_Cat> Gracenotes I want your opinion on something
2008-02-13 14:12 * TheWeasel drinks hop juice
2008-02-13 14:12 < White_Cat> this is serious tho :)
2008-02-13 14:16 < Gracenotes> if I have an opinion, I suppose :)
2008-02-13 14:16 < TheWeasel> Goodness me, it's cold.
2008-02-13 14:18 * Trickz cuddles with everyone
2008-02-13 14:20 < White_Cat> Gracenotes okay
2008-02-13 14:20 < White_Cat> I pm
2008-02-13 14:41 < TheWeasel> it's already IX pm
2008-02-13 14:41 < TheWeasel> :-P
2008-02-13 14:41 < Trickz> tea anyone?
2008-02-13 14:42 < zvook> yes please
2008-02-13 14:42 * Trickz serves some to zvook
2008-02-13 14:42 < Trickz> crumpet?
2008-02-13 14:42 < zvook> by all means, that would be delightful
2008-02-13 14:42 * Trickz graciously handles zvook a delicious crumpet
2008-02-13 14:42 < Trickz> here you go dear
2008-02-13 14:42 < zvook> thanks muchly
2008-02-13 14:43 < Trickz> you're quite welcome
2008-02-13 14:43 * Trickz sips it
2008-02-13 14:46 * Trickz handles zvook a cosy
2008-02-13 14:48 < dschroeder> wikipedia-en
2008-02-13 14:48 < dschroeder> bah
2008-02-13 14:48 < dschroeder> stupid mibbit.
2008-02-13 14:52 < Messedrocker> all you need is glove
2008-02-13 14:52 < Messedrocker> hello klein
2008-02-13 14:59 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat I choose you!
2008-02-13 14:59 < White_Cat> I summon the Ceiling_Cat!
2008-02-13 14:59 < White_Cat> meh
2008-02-13 15:00 < White_Cat> why doesnt it work?
2008-02-13 15:05 < NotACow> mooche!
2008-02-13 15:06 < Lubaf> White_Cat: He's not here, that's why.
2008-02-13 15:06 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-02-13 15:06 < White_Cat> Lubaf cant I summon him like a genie?
2008-02-13 15:07 * White_Cat rubs Lubaf's head
2008-02-13 15:07 < Lubaf> How's the Talking Heads/Fat Boys mashup under the title of the "Fat Heads" going?
2008-02-13 15:07 * Lubaf stabs White_Cat's hand.
2008-02-13 15:07 < WalterB1> news request; I will finish soon the next edition of Wikizine. If you have some news to report about your project please send it me soon. Contact at #wikizine or walter@wikizine.org
2008-02-13 15:08 * Lubaf points to his "All shows of unprovoked affection will be met with excessive violence" sign.
2008-02-13 15:08 * White_Cat doesnt have a hand
2008-02-13 15:08 * White_Cat <- a cat
2008-02-13 15:08 < White_Cat> that was Gracenotes
2008-02-13 15:08 < Lubaf> Years ago, I was an angry young man / I'd pretend / That I was a billboard / Standing tall / By the side of the road / And I fell in love / With the beautiful highway...
2008-02-13 15:09 < Lubaf> White_Cat: The paw, then.
2008-02-13 15:09 < White_Cat> Lubaf you attemted to have sex with concrete?
2008-02-13 15:09 < Lubaf> White_Cat: Not that kind of love, I suspect.
2008-02-13 15:10 < Lubaf> http://youtube.com/watch?v=lOEIRI5HSuQ <- What I'm quoting.
2008-02-13 15:11 < Lubaf> I dream of cherry pies / Candy bars / And chocolate chip cookies / You've got it / You've got it / We used to microwave / Now we just eat / Nuts and berries / You've got it / You've got it...
2008-02-13 15:12 < Messedrocker> terrible.
2008-02-13 15:15 < White_Cat> Lubaf they eat nuts? I heard people lick them and that was discusting enough...
2008-02-13 15:22 < Fabexplosive> goodnight
2008-02-13 15:24 < Harland> HI
2008-02-13 15:33 < TheWeasel> That sounds terrible out of context.
2008-02-13 15:34 < Gracenotes> mwahaha... the amazing power of del /s
2008-02-13 15:36 < Leslie_S> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AswGEG6Cn3qaYm3u5TG2UxvO7BR.;_ylv=3?qid=20080212203827AAQychr
2008-02-13 15:36 < Leslie_S> talk about jersk!
2008-02-13 15:37 < doobeydoo> hi, if i wanted to build a pc from scratch, is it possible to assemble the pc without knowing prior knowledge in constructing a pc
2008-02-13 15:38 < slashem> it is not that difficult, mainly you need to know how to use a screwdriver
2008-02-13 15:38 < doobeydoo> thats it?
2008-02-13 15:38 < NotACow> doobeydoo: it's possible that, fi you threw all the components into a cement mixer and hit "run", five minutes later a completely assembled computer would fall out.
2008-02-13 15:38 < doobeydoo> theres no soldering involved?
2008-02-13 15:38 < NotACow> doobeydoo: god, i hope not
2008-02-13 15:38 < slashem> no no soldering
2008-02-13 15:38 * NotACow hasn't soldered in years
2008-02-13 15:39 < doobeydoo> so anyone will be able to assemble a pc
2008-02-13 15:39 < NotACow> doobeydoo: at most you'll need a screwdriver or two.
2008-02-13 15:39 < doobeydoo> given there are instructions
2008-02-13 15:39 < NotACow> doobeydoo: maybe a snips to cut a cable tie or two
2008-02-13 15:39 < slashem> it is easy to figure out. just be sure to unplug everything and stay grounded
2008-02-13 15:39 < NotACow> typically a phillips screwdriver is all you need
2008-02-13 15:40 < doobeydoo> what foes grounded mean
2008-02-13 15:40 < doobeydoo> does*
2008-02-13 15:40 < NotACow> although some systems these days (hp) have torq screw
2008-02-13 15:40 < slashem> hmm
2008-02-13 15:40 < slashem> maybe you should just practice on some old parts first
2008-02-13 15:40 < doobeydoo> i plan to just buy the parts from newegg and assemnble them myself
2008-02-13 15:41 < doobeydoo> all i need is a case, power supply, mb, cpu, vid card, memory, hd, cd reader coorect?
2008-02-13 15:41 < NotACow> doobeydoo: the hard part is picking the right parts
2008-02-13 15:41 < NotACow> doobeydoo: getting the right combo of mobo, processor, memory, and video card can be hard
2008-02-13 15:42 < slashem> well most anything will work
2008-02-13 15:42 < NotACow> slashem: not true
2008-02-13 15:42 < NotACow> slashem: PCI vs. PCIX
2008-02-13 15:42 < slashem> who the heck buys PCI card? he won't need one
2008-02-13 15:42 < NotACow> slashem: a lot of newer video cards are PCI-X; if the mobo is AGP the card won't work
2008-02-13 15:42 < NotACow> slashem: there are a lot of PCI cards still out there
2008-02-13 15:42 < slashem> no, I doubt he would be buying an AGP mobo either
2008-02-13 15:42 < slashem> no, he's buying new parts
2008-02-13 15:43 < NotACow> slashem: you can still get new AGP cards
2008-02-13 15:43 < NotACow> slashem: sometimes they're really cheap
2008-02-13 15:43 < doobeydoo> im buying grefore 8800gtx ultra
2008-02-13 15:43 < NotACow> plus you gotta make sure you get a processor that matches your mobo chipset.
2008-02-13 15:43 < NotACow> and your memory has to be compatible with the mobo
2008-02-13 15:43 < slashem> now there, it is possible for him not to understand what a socket type is
2008-02-13 15:43 < Sfan00> My removal of HOTU links has angered some people :)
2008-02-13 15:43 < Sfan00> Even though it's genraly accepted linking to copyvio is Unwiki
2008-02-13 15:43 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-13 15:44 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-13 15:44 < NotACow> "unwiiki"?
2008-02-13 15:44 < NotACow> does that mean "slow"?
2008-02-13 15:44 < Leslie_S> NotACow i had to insert two drops of molten solder into my cell phone last week.
2008-02-13 15:44 < NotACow> hm
2008-02-13 15:44 < Sfan00> Un-wiki means not the wiki way
2008-02-13 15:44 < NotACow> should i bump this machine to 6GB or 8GB?
2008-02-13 15:44 < doobeydoo> and if i do get the appropriate parts for the mobo, will it then be easy to assemble?
2008-02-13 15:44 < Leslie_S> NotACow don't you love fancy, expensive, disposable electronics?
2008-02-13 15:44 < NotACow> doobeydoo: it should be, yes
2008-02-13 15:45 < NotACow> doobeydoo: if you avoid PCI, AGP, and PATA especially
2008-02-13 15:45 < doobeydoo> what are the common terms for pc assembling, ground means what?
2008-02-13 15:45 < NotACow> if you only get PCIX and SATA that'll help
2008-02-13 15:45 < NotACow> sata is hard to fuck up
2008-02-13 15:45 < slashem> maybe you should buy a book
2008-02-13 15:45 < NotACow> and PCIX is better behaved in general. costs a bit more, though
2008-02-13 15:45 < robby> definitely buy a book
2008-02-13 15:45 < NotACow> slashem: you know, i don't have a single PCIX card
2008-02-13 15:45 < Demi> arg, qwest really sucks
2008-02-13 15:46 < slashem> notacow -- you have legacy hardware
2008-02-13 15:46 < NotACow> slashem: all of my machines are PCI
2008-02-13 15:46 < NotACow> slashem: LOTS of it!
2008-02-13 15:46 < slashem> this guy is buying a new computer, and his only card is the video card
2008-02-13 15:46 < doobeydoo> what is SATA?
2008-02-13 15:46 < Messedrocker> serial ATA
2008-02-13 15:46 < doobeydoo> isnt SATA a hd specific term?
2008-02-13 15:46 < NotACow> slashem: i could swap out the risers on my servers for PCIX risers
2008-02-13 15:46 < slashem> you know, this is starting to annoy me
2008-02-13 15:46 < Sfan00> Serial ATA
2008-02-13 15:46 < Messedrocker> serial AT attachment
2008-02-13 15:46 < NotACow> slashem: but i've no real reason to do that
2008-02-13 15:46 < Messedrocker> "AT" being the Advanced Technology form factor
2008-02-13 15:46 < av16ar> re
2008-02-13 15:47 < slashem> NotACow: I was trying to give specific advice to his requirements
2008-02-13 15:47 < slashem> if he doesn't know what "ground" is, then you are confusing him further
2008-02-13 15:47 < NotACow> slashem: i only have four machines that have cards in them at all, and all of htem are PCI cards (one 8-port PRI card, and three older HBAs)
2008-02-13 15:47 < NotACow> slashem: he's confused anyway.
2008-02-13 15:47 < Demi> doobeydoo - i don't have a specific one in mind, but a lot of components sellers will, if you buy everything from them, validate the interconnections and cables
2008-02-13 15:47 < slashem> yeah good point
2008-02-13 15:47 < Demi> and by "a lot" i mean "at least a couple that i remember"
2008-02-13 15:47 < NotACow> i am not going to go buy a PCI-X PRI card. those damn cards cost $8,000 as it is
2008-02-13 15:48 < slashem> NotACow: you do tend to drift, you know that? :-)
2008-02-13 15:48 < Demi> South South West Bridge is the new shizz, I hear
2008-02-13 15:48 < NotACow> slashem: what, me
2008-02-13 15:48 < NotACow> slashem: drift?
2008-02-13 15:48 < slashem> lol
2008-02-13 15:48 < NotACow> so, 6GB or 8GB?
2008-02-13 15:48 < doobeydoo> Demi, newegg will do this?
2008-02-13 15:48 < NotACow> newegg will gleefully sell you $10,000 in totally incompatible hardware.
2008-02-13 15:49 < doobeydoo> im not too worried about incompatibility
2008-02-13 15:49 < doobeydoo> vbecause i know enough
2008-02-13 15:49 < NotACow> you should be!
2008-02-13 15:49 < Demi> doobeydoo - i don't remember specific retailers
2008-02-13 15:49 < doobeydoo> to know
2008-02-13 15:49 < slashem> how exactly did you find this channel?
2008-02-13 15:49 < Demi> i've only built mini-ITX systems from components, the VIA boards have a lot onboard
2008-02-13 15:49 < NotACow> doobeydoo: what's a front side bud?
2008-02-13 15:49 < NotACow> er, bus
2008-02-13 15:49 < NotACow> Demi: heh, really.
2008-02-13 15:49 < doobeydoo> thats not necessary to know to assemble pc
2008-02-13 15:49 < NotACow> Demi: i am thining about doing a mini or a nano soon
2008-02-13 15:50 < NotACow> doobeydoo: it helps.
2008-02-13 15:50 < doobeydoo> its a chip on the mobo
2008-02-13 15:50 < NotACow> doobeydoo: since your memory d has to be matched to your memory speed
2008-02-13 15:50 < NotACow> and that's directly related to FSB speed
2008-02-13 15:50 < doobeydoo> memory d?
2008-02-13 15:51 * NotACow has a stick of memory in front of her right now
2008-02-13 15:51 < doobeydoo> whata amemory D?
2008-02-13 15:51 < NotACow> MT36CDDF25672Y-335D2 200740
2008-02-13 15:51 < NotACow> PC2700R-25331-Z
2008-02-13 15:51 < Demi> PC components seem to go through these generations where during a certan period, everything's pretty much the same (PCI, one IDE generation, one common form factor and so forth), and then there will be a period where there's a lot more variation (memory type ond speed, processor sockets, bus types and host adapters)
2008-02-13 15:51 < NotACow> Demi: i think we're starting to move into a unification period, thanks to PCIX
2008-02-13 15:52 < NotACow> Demi: and SATA
2008-02-13 15:52 < slashem> USB helped a lot
2008-02-13 15:52 < White_Cat> USB is evil
2008-02-13 15:52 < White_Cat> Firewire
2008-02-13 15:52 < White_Cat> now thats worse
2008-02-13 15:52 < NotACow> firewire is dead
2008-02-13 15:52 < NotACow> nobody uses it
2008-02-13 15:52 < White_Cat> I once saw a person use it
2008-02-13 15:53 < White_Cat> back in 1746..,
2008-02-13 15:53 < NotACow> USB2.0 is faster than fireware anyway
2008-02-13 15:53 < White_Cat> that was the last time
2008-02-13 15:53 < Demi> hm, i have a firewire CD-R drive around here somewhere
2008-02-13 15:53 < doobeydoo> so tell me guys, if i weanted to assemble a pc, is it only snapping in cables and mounting in componenets?
2008-02-13 15:53 * White_Cat watches Demi start the great dig
2008-02-13 15:53 < robby> yeah USB 2.0 is useful
2008-02-13 15:53 < Demi> NotACow - not the latest one, though; there are still firewire weenies that will defend it
2008-02-13 15:53 < NotACow> doobeydoo: you do have to put a few drops of blood into the northbridge.
2008-02-13 15:53 < doobeydoo> what?
2008-02-13 15:53 < slashem> wait, what blood type?
2008-02-13 15:53 < White_Cat> doobeydoo yes
2008-02-13 15:53 < White_Cat> dont mind NotACow
2008-02-13 15:53 < Demi> doobeydoo - if you have the right components, there's just screwing
2008-02-13 15:53 < slashem> but you might get a virus
2008-02-13 15:54 < White_Cat> Demi means screwing screws, not other kind of screwing... O_o
2008-02-13 15:54 < av16ar> NotASpy: I have just opened a new discussion on [[WP:VPR]], would you please read it?
2008-02-13 15:54 < av16ar> (it's the last one)
2008-02-13 15:54 < NotASpy> yeah, will do.
2008-02-13 15:54 < NotACow> slashem: human works best, but in a pinch you can use goat (virgin only) or mouse.
2008-02-13 15:54 < doobeydoo> okay thank you, whats a good chance of a newbie like myself accomplishing this task
2008-02-13 15:54 < NotACow> doobeydoo: with or without blue smoke release?
2008-02-13 15:55 < doobeydoo> what?
2008-02-13 15:55 < slashem> how exactly do I test my goat for virginity?
2008-02-13 15:55 < doobeydoo> as long as i have the manual everything will be okay ?
2008-02-13 15:55 < slashem> well, a manual costs extra
2008-02-13 15:55 < NotACow> slashem: i think newegg has test kits for that.
2008-02-13 15:55 < slashem> best to save a few cents there
2008-02-13 15:55 < NotACow> slashem: i know i saw them at fry's once
2008-02-13 15:56 < slashem> damn, they have fry's in illinois?
2008-02-13 15:56 < NotACow> slashem: yup!
2008-02-13 15:56 < Demi> i'm pretty sure fry's employs goats as helpers
2008-02-13 15:56 < NotACow> slashem: in lombard
2008-02-13 15:56 < slashem> sheesh, the original Fry's grocery store was in my hometown
2008-02-13 15:56 < NotACow> just off butterfield road just east of the veteran's tollway
2008-02-13 15:56 < Demi> anytime i've ever asked a question of one, i've just gon nonsense bleating back
2008-02-13 15:57 < slashem> the Fry's here like's to hire nubile young women
2008-02-13 15:57 < slashem> what does nubile mean, anyway?
2008-02-13 15:57 < Demi> where is that?
2008-02-13 15:57 < robby> those are my favorite
2008-02-13 15:57 < NotACow> slashem: not oldbile.
2008-02-13 15:57 < slashem> concord, CA
2008-02-13 15:57 < NotACow> FEH
2008-02-13 15:57 < CJMiller> hey
2008-02-13 15:57 < slashem> I think they are looking to hook up
2008-02-13 15:57 < Demi> nubile : bile :: nu-metal : metal
2008-02-13 15:57 < NotACow> I WANT TO KNOW WHAT MEMORY I HAVE IN THIS MACHINE
2008-02-13 15:57 < NotACow> NOW
2008-02-13 15:57 < NotACow> NOT IN 7 MINUTES
2008-02-13 15:57 < CJMiller> NotACow: What machine?
2008-02-13 15:57 < slashem> with geeks who have good jobs
2008-02-13 15:57 < Demi> interesting strategy
2008-02-13 15:57 < NotACow> CJMiller: oh, one of my DL380s
2008-02-13 15:58 < Demi> should probably not go to the concord store for that
2008-02-13 15:58 < CJMiller> slashem:
2008-02-13 15:58 < CJMiller> nubile (comparative more nubile, superlative most nubile)
2008-02-13 15:58 < CJMiller> of an age suitable for marriage; marriageable (used of a young woman).
2008-02-13 15:58 < CJMiller> sexually attractive (used of a young woman).
2008-02-13 15:58 < slashem> it worked at Oracle, and it's working in Google right now
2008-02-13 15:58 < Demi> concord is great for feeding your obesity problem at claim jumper's; the geeks all go the sunnyvale and palo alto fry's
2008-02-13 15:58 < slashem> hmm, pretty close to what I intended
2008-02-13 15:58 < CJMiller> NotACow: DL380? Not familiar with that computer. What arch. is it?
2008-02-13 15:58 < slashem> yeah the geek density is higher farther south, no doubt
2008-02-13 15:58 < slashem> what, are you stalking me?
2008-02-13 15:58 < CJMiller> I need details for to answer your question
2008-02-13 15:58 < NotACow> CJMiller: 32-bit intel
2008-02-13 15:59 < Demi> i walk up and down willow pass road, looking for IRCers
2008-02-13 15:59 < slashem> hey, that's me next to the guy with the mattress discounter's sign
2008-02-13 15:59 < NotACow> 6 minutes 40 seconds
2008-02-13 15:59 < CJMiller> Who here lives in Volusia County or Seminole County, Florida?
2008-02-13 15:59 < Demi> since they got rid of the krispy kreme, i stop in concord less, though
2008-02-13 15:59 < slashem> you are creepy, you know that?
2008-02-13 15:59 < CJMiller> NotACow: Anywhere from 128MB to 4GB, I guess.
2008-02-13 15:59 < Demi> i know, it's my curse
2008-02-13 16:00 * slashem closes the shades
2008-02-13 16:00 < CJMiller> Who here lives in Volusia County or Seminole County, Florida?
2008-02-13 16:00 < NotACow> CJMiller: i'm trying to tdecide between 6GB and 8GB
2008-02-13 16:00 < CJMiller> (once again)
2008-02-13 16:00 < NotACow> CJMiller: it already has 4GB, but that's not enough
2008-02-13 16:00 < Demi> concord is a driving stop for me. i live in oregon and spend a week or so every other month in mountain view
2008-02-13 16:00 < NotACow> CJMiller: i'm tryin to decide whether to pop for one or three 2GB sticks
2008-02-13 16:00 < robby> there are some IRCers hiding in my closet
2008-02-13 16:00 < slashem> I might have talked to you about this before ... ashland?
2008-02-13 16:00 < CJMiller> NotACow: You'll need a 64-bit arch to handle more than 4GB of RAM.
2008-02-13 16:00 < NotACow> i already have one
2008-02-13 16:00 < robby> they never leave..
2008-02-13 16:00 < NotACow> CJMiller: PAE, dude
2008-02-13 16:00 < Demi> slashem - yes
2008-02-13 16:00 < CJMiller> NotACow: 8GB, esp. if you're using Vista. But make sure it's cached. And what's PAE?
2008-02-13 16:01 < slashem> claim jumper is my favorite restaurant
2008-02-13 16:01 < slashem> but it's been going downhill
2008-02-13 16:01 < NotACow> CJMiller: Server 2003 w/ PAE
2008-02-13 16:01 < Demi> agreed
2008-02-13 16:01 < Demi> claim jumper is the win, but when they change the menu it never seems for the best
2008-02-13 16:01 < slashem> actually Mimi's Cafe is pretty good
2008-02-13 16:01 < slashem> they also have strawberry lemonade
2008-02-13 16:01 < slashem> but in small glasses
2008-02-13 16:01 < NotACow> slashem: strawberry lemonade provides platinum mood.
2008-02-13 16:01 < Demi> i always get the potato cheese soup from claim jumper's
2008-02-13 16:01 < CJMiller> Dustin's BBQ in Kernersville (off Bus 40).
2008-02-13 16:01 < CJMiller> Good meat.
2008-02-13 16:02 < slashem> I prefer the chicken tortilla
2008-02-13 16:02 < slashem> oh for BBQ I go to Back Forty
2008-02-13 16:02 < NotACow> AAARGH
2008-02-13 16:02 < NotACow> it'll tell me 2.5GB but not how they're slotted.
2008-02-13 16:02 < NotACow> I HATE USELESS SOFTWARE
2008-02-13 16:02 < slashem> write your own
2008-02-13 16:02 < slashem> in Java
2008-02-13 16:03 < slashem> heh, good luck writing memory management software in Java
2008-02-13 16:03 < Demi> heterogeneous memory handling is for losers
2008-02-13 16:03 < CJMiller> slashem: Never been there.
2008-02-13 16:03 < slashem> yeah Back Forty has good sauce, but very expensive
2008-02-13 16:03 < bumm13> hiya Demi
2008-02-13 16:03 < CJMiller> NotACow: Try uninstalling and reinstalling the RAM. And make sure it's cached right.
2008-02-13 16:03 < NotACow> CJMiller: i suspect rebooting will be enough. i just upgraded the support pack, ater all.
2008-02-13 16:03 < Demi> hi bumm13
2008-02-13 16:04 < NotACow> i suspect it's two sticks of 256 and two sticks of 1G
2008-02-13 16:04 < CJMiller> slashem: I've never been to Back Forty. The only reason I go to Charlotte is to go to Carowinds (good park). I used to go to Dustin's a lot and went there when I went to visit family. You have not lived until you've had their meat.
2008-02-13 16:04 < NotACow> but it might be two sticks of 256 and four sticks of 512
2008-02-13 16:04 < CJMiller> NotACow: It could be 1024+1024+512.
2008-02-13 16:04 < NotACow> a 380G3 has six slots
2008-02-13 16:04 < slashem> I did have BBQ in No. Carolina before, but it was a long time ago
2008-02-13 16:04 < CJMiller> Or 6x512.
2008-02-13 16:04 < slashem> good lord, seventeen years I think
2008-02-13 16:05 < NotACow> CJMiller: unlikely
2008-02-13 16:05 < CJMiller> NotACow: It could be 4x512+2x256.
2008-02-13 16:05 < Demi> is north carolina the vinegary kind?
2008-02-13 16:05 < NotACow> CJMiller: that's the second most likely result.
2008-02-13 16:05 < NotACow> CJMiller: i'm pretty sure this arch requires paired sticks.
2008-02-13 16:05 < slashem> you know, I don't even remember
2008-02-13 16:05 < CJMiller> slashem: You've gone SEVENTEEN YEARS w/o NC barbecue? Ach, mein Gott. That's a long time without good meat.
2008-02-13 16:05 < slashem> I live on the west coast now
2008-02-13 16:05 < CJMiller> NotACow: Paired sticks...?
2008-02-13 16:05 < NotACow> CJMiller: memory must be inserted in pairs
2008-02-13 16:06 < NotACow> i know that's required on the G4s, but not sure about the G3s.
2008-02-13 16:06 < CJMiller> slashem: Never been off the Eastern Seaboard (except to go skiing in WV once.)
2008-02-13 16:06 < slashem> oh man, a Mac?
2008-02-13 16:06 < CJMiller> NotACow: Ohhhhhh... I didn't know you had a mac.
2008-02-13 16:06 < slashem> why would you use Mac hardware?
2008-02-13 16:06 < CJMiller> Hi Not_the_NSA!
2008-02-13 16:06 < NotACow> slashem: no, Proliants
2008-02-13 16:06 < CJMiller> slashem: Mac >>> Windows.
2008-02-13 16:06 < slashem> that's still kind of odd
2008-02-13 16:06 < Not_the_NSA> hi CJMiller
2008-02-13 16:06 < NotACow> slashem: i'm trying to find te cheapest upgrade path to a desired result :)
2008-02-13 16:06 < slashem> no, but Notacow is not using MacOS or Windows
2008-02-13 16:07 < CJMiller> What, Linux?
2008-02-13 16:07 < NotACow> slashem: actually, i am using window son these machines :)
2008-02-13 16:07 < slashem> oh my condolences
2008-02-13 16:07 < Demi> the last PC server I had at my house was an LPr
2008-02-13 16:07 < CJMiller> Oh God, a sellout.
2008-02-13 16:07 < slashem> hey, I bought a mac
2008-02-13 16:07 < CJMiller> NotACow: GO BACK TO THE GLORIOUS MAC OS!
2008-02-13 16:07 < slashem> not worth the trouble
2008-02-13 16:07 < CJMiller> I have a Vectra (505 MHz, 384 MB, 160 GB, Windows Server 2003 SP1).
2008-02-13 16:07 < CJMiller> Yes, it's old.
2008-02-13 16:07 < CJMiller> But it works great.
2008-02-13 16:08 < Demi> owning our macbook pro has been a terrible, terrible experience
2008-02-13 16:08 < CJMiller> Demi: Why?
2008-02-13 16:08 < Demi> everything has broken, it's been a total pile
2008-02-13 16:08 < bumm13> Apple needs to go back and rethink how to do hardware quality control
2008-02-13 16:08 < CJMiller> Demi: Get your money back and buy a Mac Pro.
2008-02-13 16:09 < Demi> get my money back how?
2008-02-13 16:09 < CJMiller> ASAP.
2008-02-13 16:09 < Demi> and why would i substitute a desktop for a laptop?
2008-02-13 16:09 < Dragonfly6-7> is there anyone here who's Greek?
2008-02-13 16:09 < Demi> and thirdly, it's not my computer, anyway
2008-02-13 16:09 < NotACow> these aren't desktops i'm dealing with
2008-02-13 16:09 < CJMiller> Mac Pro has more space and power.
2008-02-13 16:10 < NotACow> one of them is an HP Proliant DL360 G4 (354571-001); the other is an HP Proliant DL380 G3 (257917-001)
2008-02-13 16:11 < NotACow> i want either 6GB or 8GB in the G4, and probably 4GB in the G3
2008-02-13 16:11 < bumm13> I never knew that HP dealt with PowerPC CPU-based models
2008-02-13 16:11 < NotACow> bumm13: G3 just means "third generation". Apple didn't get the idea first.
2008-02-13 16:11 < Demi> they're not, they just use the letters
2008-02-13 16:11 < Demi> i think there's a G-series of the HP9000s around as well
2008-02-13 16:11 < CJMiller> Get an Intel Mac.
2008-02-13 16:11 < Demi> yes, i know there is
2008-02-13 16:12 < CJMiller> Moar pow3r.
2008-02-13 16:12 < bumm13> NotACow, Demi: ah ok
2008-02-13 16:12 < Demi> actually that might be quite old
2008-02-13 16:12 < White_Cat> Demi who started did you know? Do you know?
2008-02-13 16:13 < CJMiller> g2g brb
2008-02-13 16:13 < Demi> White_Cat - i do not know re: did you know, you know?
2008-02-13 16:13 < NotACow> gah
2008-02-13 16:13 < NotACow> i wish i knew if this machine was 4x512+2x256 or 2x1024+2x256
2008-02-13 16:13 < NotACow> meh, doesn't matter
2008-02-13 16:13 < Demi> PC server hardware is really frustrating
2008-02-13 16:13 < Sfan00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ShakespeareFan00/Film_List Anyone want to help in the gaps?
2008-02-13 16:13 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-13 16:13 < NotACow> i can use 4x512+2x1G and get the same result
2008-02-13 16:13 < White_Cat> no i dont know thats why asked weather or not you know the person who started "Did you know?".
2008-02-13 16:14 < Demi> NotACow - can you get the info through the ILO port? the DL3xx have those, right?
2008-02-13 16:14 < NotACow> so 2x1G @ PC2100
2008-02-13 16:14 < NotACow> Demi: yes, but the sofware isn't behaving right at the moment
2008-02-13 16:14 < Demi> i never knew much about ILO
2008-02-13 16:14 < NotACow> Demi: and i don't have an iLO network set up... i really should, but that's a lot of work
2008-02-13 16:14 < NotACow> Demi: and the inline instrumentation is malfunctioning
2008-02-13 16:15 < Demi> i stopped being a sysadmin, more or less, before that became a big thing
2008-02-13 16:15 < NotACow> Demi: one of these days i will order a bunch of ethernet cables, find a disused switch, and set up an iLO network
2008-02-13 16:16 < NotACow> Demi: i updated the PSP, but i have to reboot before it'll work correctly, and i don't want to reboot right now.
2008-02-13 16:16 < White_Cat> Demi oh so you were the person I should go to whenever a program crashes?
2008-02-13 16:17 * White_Cat bows at its overlord
2008-02-13 16:17 < Demi> i've done a lot of things, being a system administrator was one of them
2008-02-13 16:18 < White_Cat> Demi minesweeper exe just crashed
2008-02-13 16:18 < White_Cat> it told me to contact you
2008-02-13 16:18 * White_Cat touches Demi
2008-02-13 16:18 * Demi refers White_Cat to webmaster@example.com
2008-02-13 16:18 * White_Cat spams it violently
2008-02-13 16:19 < Demi> that guy gets a lot of problem reports
2008-02-13 16:19 < White_Cat> actualy not
2008-02-13 16:19 < White_Cat> example.com is not a valid website
2008-02-13 16:19 < White_Cat> its reserved for development purposes
2008-02-13 16:19 < White_Cat> I wonder if anyone hacked the site before :)
2008-02-13 16:20 < |Certh|> hi
2008-02-13 16:24 < Mike_H> 'Top Model' winner Jaslene Gonzalez on her career and being a Latina role model
2008-02-13 16:24 < Mike_H> Wikinews talks with America's Next Top Model's first Puerto Rican winner, Jaslene Gonzalez, about her childhood, what makes her a strong individual, and what television show her abuela would want her to go on.
2008-02-13 16:24 < Mike_H> �� Full story
2008-02-13 16:25 < bumm13> abuela, how cute
2008-02-13 16:26 < Mike_H> bumm13: you say that in that "how quaint" way
2008-02-13 16:26 < bumm13> not quaint, but a mixed-in Spanish word in English text :P
2008-02-13 16:27 < Mike_H> "I still got the Latina in me. I'm still spicy." -Jaslene
2008-02-13 16:27 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-13 16:29 < Huntster> Mike, spiffy! Though why use the "first X winner" phrase, since every winner will be the first of something, usually.
2008-02-13 16:29 < Mike_H> Huntster: because I already used "Latina"
2008-02-13 16:29 < Mike_H> it's just a way to not use the same word over and over
2008-02-13 16:31 < Huntster> Mike_H, no, i mean, why not just say "America's Next Top Model 2007 winner". Doesn't matter, I just don't see the point of using "first X something" phrases unless they are truly special in some regard.
2008-02-13 16:32 < Mike_H> Huntster: there are two winners a year
2008-02-13 16:32 < Mike_H> and considering it took until #8 to crown a Hispanic winner, yeah, I call that "truly special"
2008-02-13 16:33 < Kingturtle> gmorning
2008-02-13 16:33 < Huntster> Mike, :/
2008-02-13 16:33 < Kingturtle> are there any people here with a good understanding of US primary history?
2008-02-13 16:34 < Huntster> As opposed to secondary history?
2008-02-13 16:34 < Huntster> Just kidding, whats the question?
2008-02-13 16:34 < Gracenotes> Kingturtle: I have a good idea of it
2008-02-13 16:36 < Kingturtle> on http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe1996/presprim.htm for political party, sometimes it lists W(D) and W(R)...at first I thought it meant Write-in votes, but Stanley Allen received 0 votes in california as a W(D)
2008-02-13 16:37 < Kingturtle> any idea wha W(D) and W(R)
2008-02-13 16:37 < Kingturtle> are?
2008-02-13 16:38 < NotACow> wandering
2008-02-13 16:38 < Kingturtle> there is no key
2008-02-13 16:38 < Demi> they don't have greek letters, so that's how they represent the Omega Function
2008-02-13 16:39 < White_Cat> Demi omega particle?
2008-02-13 16:41 < Rinn> Still trying to push [[m:IRC guidelines/wikipedia]] ?
2008-02-13 16:45 < White_Cat> Rinn no we are trying to only push you out
2008-02-13 16:45 < Sfan00> Hey does anyone here think removing links ot you tube clips is a bad idea?
2008-02-13 16:45 < Alkivar> Proof america is doomed in a generation or two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTosQerWBzU
2008-02-13 16:45 < White_Cat> Sfan00 yes and no
2008-02-13 16:46 < Rinn> That's understandable.
2008-02-13 16:46 < White_Cat> if the you tube link is not a copyvio then its not that big of a problem
2008-02-13 16:47 < danopia> Alkivar, what is that called?
2008-02-13 16:47 < danopia> i probably saw it
2008-02-13 16:47 < AppleBoy> yo, what happened to the wiki?
2008-02-13 16:48 < AppleBoy> it's totally fucked up
2008-02-13 16:48 < Sfan00> Incidentally, Wikinews needs some questions to really challange the views Anti CoS campaginers have
2008-02-13 16:48 < AppleBoy> anyone know?
2008-02-13 16:48 < Sfan00> If CoS is so bad, those behind the anti cmapagins shouldn't be afraid of a little Paxman style questioning
2008-02-13 16:49 < AppleBoy> nevermind, it's working again now
2008-02-13 16:50 < AppleBoy> voting Sfan00 is a CoS spy
2008-02-13 16:50 < Sfan00> I'm not
2008-02-13 16:51 < Sfan00> I just think that it's time that the CoS is bad attitude of campaigners should be journalisticly challanged :)
2008-02-13 16:51 < Sfan00> You will not Wikinews has done a lot coverage on Anon's 'clam bashing' recently :(
2008-02-13 16:51 < Sfan00> *note
2008-02-13 16:52 * brown_cat waves to Sfan00
2008-02-13 16:52 < Cyrius> AppleBoy: he's not, he's just always looking for something to be outraged about
2008-02-13 16:52 < Sfan00> Not now brown cat
2008-02-13 16:52 < AppleBoy> Cyrius: I still get to laugh at him then
2008-02-13 16:53 < Sfan00> Cyrius: Huh?
2008-02-13 16:53 < Cyrius> you're always going off on one thing or another
2008-02-13 16:53 < NotACow> CHOOOGA
2008-02-13 16:54 * Demi soaks beans
2008-02-13 16:54 < Cyrius> like when you went crazy over [[Image:Ford Motor Company Logo.svg]]
2008-02-13 16:54 < Sfan00> I was only following procedure ;)
2008-02-13 16:54 < Cyrius> oh ford's going to sue us ford's going to sue us
2008-02-13 16:54 < Cyrius> no, you weren't
2008-02-13 16:55 * NotACow sues Sfan00
2008-02-13 16:55 < Cyrius> you went into a panic and stopped thinking
2008-02-13 16:55 < Sfan00> Besides I don't go off on paranoid fantasy trips all the time
2008-02-13 16:55 < Aqwis3> only very often ;|
2008-02-13 16:56 < Sfan00> I still think unilatteraly de-linking copyvio is a good idea
2008-02-13 16:56 * AppleBoy sues Sfan00 for being stupid and wins
2008-02-13 16:56 < kyorosuke> "Paranoid Fantasy" == good name for an album
2008-02-13 16:56 < AppleBoy> time for food
2008-02-13 16:56 < Cyrius> you still don't have trademark and copyright separate
2008-02-13 16:56 < Sfan00> That Wikipedia should consider some kind of protection on items with sensitive images
2008-02-13 16:57 < Sfan00> That Wikinews ahould lay of the Anon vs CoS story for abit
2008-02-13 16:57 < Sfan00> *off
2008-02-13 16:57 < Cyrius> why?
2008-02-13 16:57 < Sfan00> There are other stories
2008-02-13 16:57 < Cyrius> so?
2008-02-13 16:58 < White_Cat> Sfan00 sensative is controversial
2008-02-13 16:58 * White_Cat is sensative towards images of pokemon for example :)
2008-02-13 16:59 < atomicpotato> sensitive to pokemon? weird fetish...
2008-02-13 16:59 < atomicpotato> They should lay off becase Anon is not notable and nobody cares about em
2008-02-13 16:59 * atomicpotato doesn't see articles on the GNAA anymore
2008-02-13 16:59 < Sfan00> Whats an atomicpotato...
2008-02-13 16:59 < Sfan00> ?
2008-02-13 16:59 < atomicpotato> Sfan00, it's related to a nuclearspud
2008-02-13 17:00 < Sfan00> What the **** is a nuclearspud?
2008-02-13 17:00 < AzaTht> there might be some extra war on wiki the next week or so, so be prepared
2008-02-13 17:00 < Alkivar> if the GNAA got on the world news in multiple countries for a live protest event like Anonymous imgboard people... they'd be notable enough for an article
2008-02-13 17:00 < Sfan00> AzaTht: Which articles?
2008-02-13 17:00 < White_Cat> Alkivar I think GNAA was actualy covered on real news
2008-02-13 17:01 < Sfan00> Alikvar: How many Afd's did it take ?
2008-02-13 17:01 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-13 17:01 < Alkivar> Cat: not with enough direct related coverage... they were barely mentioned in passing
2008-02-13 17:01 < AzaTht> Sfan00: the muhammad ones
2008-02-13 17:01 < Alkivar> whereas Anonymous was mentioned as the subject of these protest articles
2008-02-13 17:01 < Sfan00> Oh not the upcoming interviews on Wikinews?
2008-02-13 17:01 < White_Cat> Alkivar yes
2008-02-13 17:01 < White_Cat> but its like we are asking them to troll much harder :/
2008-02-13 17:02 < Alkivar> tangentially related vs primary subject.... big difference to the level of coverage
2008-02-13 17:02 * White_Cat can imagine the interview
2008-02-13 17:02 < White_Cat> "Why did you go on a trolling rampage?"
2008-02-13 17:02 < Alkivar> well i'd argue that if the GNAA protested Scientology, then they were doing something for the good of mankind... as they stand now... they are just a waste of space
2008-02-13 17:02 < White_Cat> "So as to get a wikipedia page"
2008-02-13 17:02 < White_Cat> :D
2008-02-13 17:03 < White_Cat> Alkivar GNAA waste a lot of things
2008-02-13 17:03 < Alkivar> i'd love to see a [Citation Needed] sign at the 3/15 CoS protests
2008-02-13 17:03 < Cyrius> space, food, oxygen
2008-02-13 17:03 < atomicpotato> 3/15?
2008-02-13 17:03 < Alkivar> you hadnt heard?
2008-02-13 17:03 < atomicpotato> they're in the future?
2008-02-13 17:03 < Alkivar> theres going to be a second protest
2008-02-13 17:03 < atomicpotato> bah, I don't go to pedophilia-havens like crapchan
2008-02-13 17:03 < Sfan00> March 15th?
2008-02-13 17:04 < Gracenotes> celebrating the death date of everyone's favorite autocrat?
2008-02-13 17:04 < Sfan00> Alikvar: Against what?
2008-02-13 17:05 < White_Cat> Sfan00 probably us
2008-02-13 17:05 < Sfan00> Hmm
2008-02-13 17:05 < Sfan00> http://dutchfags.wikidot.com/depers12februari#toc2 - seems there was an event in Holland
2008-02-13 17:05 < Gracenotes> well, not quite an autocrat, I guess, although I'm sure he wanted to be...
2008-02-13 17:06 < kyorosuke> perspective
2008-02-13 17:06 < Sfan00> Gracenotes: Who died on March 15th?
2008-02-13 17:06 < Demi> Beware!
2008-02-13 17:06 < NotACow> Sfan00: julius caesar
2008-02-13 17:06 < Alkivar> yep beware the ides of march!
2008-02-13 17:06 < Sfan00> Oh
2008-02-13 17:06 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-13 17:07 < Sfan00> ROFL
2008-02-13 17:07 < Demi> you pretty much have to change your nick now
2008-02-13 17:07 < kyorosuke> really
2008-02-13 17:07 < Azhi_Dahaka> how can i search for images hosted on wikipedia?
2008-02-13 17:07 < Sfan00> Nah
2008-02-13 17:07 < Sfan00> It's not been ShakespeareFan on IRC for a while :)
2008-02-13 17:08 < Demi> so just generally a fan of "S" things
2008-02-13 17:08 < Sfan00> Possibly
2008-02-13 17:08 < Demi> S-expressions, Stumps, Sydney, Sir Paul McCartney
2008-02-13 17:08 * brown_cat thinks sfan is killing my valentines day mood :(
2008-02-13 17:08 < bumm13> Sriracha
2008-02-13 17:08 < Sfan00> Or an S fan could be something else entirly
2008-02-13 17:08 < kyorosuke> Stimpy, of "Ren &"
2008-02-13 17:08 < Sfan00> brown_cat: Did you get any?
2008-02-13 17:09 < brown_cat> one and it
2008-02-13 17:09 < brown_cat> 's 7am
2008-02-13 17:09 < Demi> bumm13 - delicious with my homemade hummus
2008-02-13 17:09 < Gracenotes> oh, tomorrow's Valentine's Day. Forgot :|
2008-02-13 17:10 * brown_cat gives Gracenotes a flower :)
2008-02-13 17:10 < Gracenotes> why thank you