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2008-02-12 12:03 < White_Cat> Sfan00 how do you know?
2008-02-12 12:03 < Aqwis> no, but why should i care about peoples rather than individuals?
2008-02-12 12:03 < White_Cat> maybe they are secretly developing WMDs
2008-02-12 12:03 < bumm13> all nukes do is set the scene
2008-02-12 12:03 < White_Cat> nukes are a plotinium device
2008-02-12 12:03 < Sfan00> White_cat: You know that comment is defamatory, and you would be at pains to withdraw it
2008-02-12 12:03 < AppleBoy> one a-class submarine (iirc that's what they're called) has enough nuclear warheads to level a country
2008-02-12 12:04 < White_Cat> Sfan00 aw I was merely fooling around :)
2008-02-12 12:04 < White_Cat> I honestly could care less about CoS :P
2008-02-12 12:04 < Sfan00> You don't joke about Scientology
2008-02-12 12:04 < NopaTop> nukes can be uranium also
2008-02-12 12:04 < Sfan00> .
2008-02-12 12:04 < AppleBoy> yes we do
2008-02-12 12:04 < bumm13> Aqwis: you can have "people" without referring to "peoples"
2008-02-12 12:04 < White_Cat> or SiN for that matter
2008-02-12 12:04 * Cyrius coughs
2008-02-12 12:04 < bumm13> hiya Demi
2008-02-12 12:04 < White_Cat> Sfan00 for me "cos" is merely a trigonometric function
2008-02-12 12:04 < Demi> hi bumm13
2008-02-12 12:05 < AppleBoy> Sfan00: CoS is a whore house, true story
2008-02-12 12:05 * bumm13 NP: Clash - Straight to Hell (1982)
2008-02-12 12:05 < Sfan00> White_Cat: With acute or obstuse angles?
2008-02-12 12:05 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-12 12:05 < White_Cat> -_-'
2008-02-12 12:05 < Sfan00> AppleBoy: Evidence?
2008-02-12 12:05 < White_Cat> I hate trigonometry
2008-02-12 12:05 < Cyrius> "How do you steam clams? Make fun of their religion." - Johnny Carson =O
2008-02-12 12:05 < AppleBoy> Sfan00: same evidence that CoS uses to prove their points
2008-02-12 12:06 < AppleBoy> :D
2008-02-12 12:06 < Sfan00> Cyrius: Oh Nasty :(
2008-02-12 12:06 < Sfan00> Thats unfair humour
2008-02-12 12:06 < bumm13> Cyrius: is that supposed to be a joke?
2008-02-12 12:06 * Demi takes clammunion
2008-02-12 12:06 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-12 12:06 < Cyrius> bumm13: if you know of the scientology-clams connection
2008-02-12 12:06 < bumm13> hmm, I guess I don't want to know
2008-02-12 12:07 * bumm13 hopes one of his packages arrives in the next hour or so
2008-02-12 12:07 < AppleBoy> Sfan00: so do you have money left in your bank?
2008-02-12 12:07 < Sfan00> Yes
2008-02-12 12:07 < Demi> i want to start a religion based on the works of a much better author, i think that's a pretty modest goal
2008-02-12 12:07 < Sfan00> I am not affilated with CoS
2008-02-12 12:08 < bumm13> Demi: heh
2008-02-12 12:08 < bumm13> indeed
2008-02-12 12:08 < Sfan00> Demi: Which authour; Asmiov?
2008-02-12 12:08 * AppleBoy voting Sfan00 is a troll
2008-02-12 12:08 < Sfan00> (As in the Foundation series)
2008-02-12 12:08 < Sfan00> ?
2008-02-12 12:08 < bumm13> AppleBoy: likely
2008-02-12 12:08 < Demi> Sfan00 - i don't know asimov very well; tim powers popped into mind but i'm flexible
2008-02-12 12:08 * White_Cat votes AppleBoy to be made out of Apples
2008-02-12 12:08 * AppleBoy votes he should have his ops back
2008-02-12 12:08 * White_Cat votes that he should have his ops back
2008-02-12 12:08 < Sfan00> I am NOT a troll
2008-02-12 12:08 < AppleBoy> then I acn own Sfan00 :P
2008-02-12 12:08 < bumm13> you're not here much anymore :(
2008-02-12 12:08 < Aqwis> half my high school class were members of Tolkien's religion ;|
2008-02-12 12:08 * White_Cat licks Sfan00 violently
2008-02-12 12:08 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-12 12:08 < Cyrius> Demi: I'd consider Pratchett, then believers can laugh at themselves
2008-02-12 12:09 < AppleBoy> bumm13: yeah, I got addicted to a video game :welp:
2008-02-12 12:09 < bumm13> which one?
2008-02-12 12:09 < Sfan00> Aqwis: I thought JRR was Christian
2008-02-12 12:09 < Demi> Cyrius - that could work
2008-02-12 12:09 < AppleBoy> eve-online, just recently quit
2008-02-12 12:09 < bumm13> hmm
2008-02-12 12:09 < bumm13> sounds modern and new-fangled
2008-02-12 12:09 < Sfan00> Cyrius: Discworld has a lot of religons
2008-02-12 12:09 < Harland> JRR was christian Sfan00
2008-02-12 12:09 < AppleBoy> I'm back to working on globulation2 again
2008-02-12 12:09 < Aqwis> i played that, AppleBoy
2008-02-12 12:09 < Aqwis> EVE, i mean
2008-02-12 12:09 < bumm13> he was deist
2008-02-12 12:09 < Cyrius> Sfan00 gets overly worked up about stuff
2008-02-12 12:09 < Aqwis> for a year
2008-02-12 12:09 < Cyrius> woo tornado watch
2008-02-12 12:09 < Demi> well, jesus was jewish, that doesn't make his followers jews
2008-02-12 12:10 * bumm13 NP: Smashing Pumpkins - The End Is the Beginning Is the End (1997)
2008-02-12 12:10 < AppleBoy> shameless self-promotion: http://www.globulation2.org
2008-02-12 12:10 < Sfan00> Demi: Originaly the Christan Church was a Jewish sect though
2008-02-12 12:10 < Demi> plus, tolkien has an extensive cosmology, there's much to recommend it as a religion
2008-02-12 12:10 < AppleBoy> brb
2008-02-12 12:10 < [swb]> woo
2008-02-12 12:10 < Sfan00> Demi: You want a religon - Try Jedi
2008-02-12 12:10 < Sfan00> (expcet Lucas got there first!)
2008-02-12 12:11 < bumm13> so much of the whole Tolkien deal is the "background" information on the fictional peoples, races, languages, etc.
2008-02-12 12:11 < Demi> Jedi doesn't have Gandalfs and Balrogs
2008-02-12 12:11 < Cyrius> the silmarillion is like reading the bible
2008-02-12 12:11 < Harland> Tolkien isn't a religion it's a world in which they have no religion
2008-02-12 12:12 < Sfan00> Erm..
2008-02-12 12:12 < Sfan00> I'd personally sipute that
2008-02-12 12:12 < Sfan00> *dipsute that
2008-02-12 12:12 < Sfan00> *dispute
2008-02-12 12:12 < Faroframkallande> you're fucking kidding
2008-02-12 12:12 < Faroframkallande> Anonymous has an article?
2008-02-12 12:12 < Sfan00> There is some evidence of 'religon' in Tolkien
2008-02-12 12:12 < Aqwis> lots of news coverage, Faroframkallande
2008-02-12 12:12 < Harland> such as?
2008-02-12 12:12 < Lirion> it's where our religions began - stories about mightier entities influencing the fate of the world. Tolkien is religion at its childhood.
2008-02-12 12:12 < Faroframkallande> Aqwis: BLP1E
2008-02-12 12:13 < Sfan00> Harland: The recent 'clam bashing' protests for exampl?
2008-02-12 12:13 < Sfan00> Oh sorry
2008-02-12 12:13 < Faroframkallande> unless you count that FOX report, and since when are they reliable?
2008-02-12 12:13 < Sfan00> Which topic was you question in relation to
2008-02-12 12:13 < Cyrius> Faroframkallande: not worth fighting over at the moment
2008-02-12 12:13 < Aqwis> it's not exactly BLP
2008-02-12 12:13 < AppleBoy> you watch FOX >.<
2008-02-12 12:13 < Faroframkallande> Aqwis: Anonymous is a collective of people
2008-02-12 12:14 < bumm13> it's a particular mouse ;)
2008-02-12 12:14 < Faroframkallande> BLP has been applied to bands before
2008-02-12 12:14 < Sfan00> Harland: You could argue that some of the creation mytholgies and elven lore constitute religon
2008-02-12 12:14 < Cyrius> biographies of amorphous collective groups
2008-02-12 12:14 < Aqwis> Faroframkallande, in this case we don't know who the people are
2008-02-12 12:14 < Aqwis> so applying BLP is quite pointless i'd say
2008-02-12 12:15 < Harland> Sfan00: One could, however in my opinion that's just history
2008-02-12 12:15 < Faroframkallande> if Jack the Ripper was alive today, BLP would still apply
2008-02-12 12:15 < Faroframkallande> "Cover the event, not the person"
2008-02-12 12:15 < Aqwis> i'd say this is much like applying BLP to [[German people]]
2008-02-12 12:15 < Faroframkallande> which supports a redirect to [[Project Chanology]]
2008-02-12 12:16 < Demi> that's true, BLP applies to people as long as they're not germans. don't mention the war.
2008-02-12 12:16 < Aqwis> ;|
2008-02-12 12:16 < Sfan00> Demi: Why Not?
2008-02-12 12:16 < Sfan00> They Invaded Poland!
2008-02-12 12:16 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-12 12:16 < Aqwis> no, they forgot poland
2008-02-12 12:16 < Demi> Sfan00 - i mentioned it once, but i think i got away with it
2008-02-12 12:16 < Aqwis> and invaded russia directly instead
2008-02-12 12:16 < Aqwis> =|
2008-02-12 12:16 < Faroframkallande> Aqwis: If German people were notable for only one thing, sure
2008-02-12 12:17 < Aqwis> yes, they're notable for existing
2008-02-12 12:17 < Sfan00> Demi: Of course no-one expects an Inquistion on enwiki....
2008-02-12 12:17 < Aqwis> anything else individuals or sub-groups is notable for
2008-02-12 12:17 < Sfan00> I certain;y didn't expect an Inquistion .....
2008-02-12 12:17 < Faroframkallande> I can summarise Anonymous in two sentences
2008-02-12 12:17 < Harland> which are...
2008-02-12 12:18 < Aqwis> almost anything can be summarised in two sentences
2008-02-12 12:18 < Aqwis> what's your point?
2008-02-12 12:19 < Faroframkallande> the argument for keeping is "look at the sources for only Project Chanology!" and "hard to summarise"
2008-02-12 12:19 < Faroframkallande> "Anonymous are an anonymous collective of users of imageboards such as 4chan and 711chan, which gives the name "Anonymous" to any user posting from an IP"
2008-02-12 12:29 < FrancoGG> any en.wiki crat to rename and block a trans-wiki vandalic impersonator of a de.wiki admin?
2008-02-12 12:30 * Ceiling_Cat is a ceiling_Crat
2008-02-12 12:30 < Ceiling_Cat> what can I do you for?
2008-02-12 12:31 < FrancoGG> Ceiling_Cat, the user is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Entlinkt
2008-02-12 12:31 < FrancoGG> it's a vandal impersonating a de.wikipedia admin on multiple proyects
2008-02-12 12:33 < Ceiling_Cat> FrancoGG - done
2008-02-12 12:33 < Ceiling_Cat> please register that name and give it to the real user
2008-02-12 12:33 < FrancoGG> Ceiling_Cat, ty, I'll tell the user he can now register a valid account :)
2008-02-12 12:36 < AppleBoy> video killed the radio start
2008-02-12 12:36 < AppleBoy> star
2008-02-12 12:36 * TheWeasel studies freedom of association *yawn
2008-02-12 12:37 < AppleBoy> sfan died :(
2008-02-12 12:37 < TheWeasel> Photography, ay, he asked him knowngly
2008-02-12 12:37 < TheWeasel> *i
2008-02-12 12:39 * TheWeasel can't find headphones
2008-02-12 12:39 < TheWeasel> I hate you, Article 9.
2008-02-12 12:40 * Ceiling_Cat cuddles with TheWeasel
2008-02-12 12:40 < TheWeasel> o.o
2008-02-12 12:40 < Ceiling_Cat> ^=o.o=^
2008-02-12 12:40 < TheWeasel> hehe
2008-02-12 12:40 * Ceiling_Cat misses heroes
2008-02-12 12:43 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Heroes (TV series)]] <-- this should be FA
2008-02-12 12:43 < Faroframkallande> Ceiling_Cat: damn right it should
2008-02-12 12:44 < Warpath> ;D
2008-02-12 12:44 < Demi> is that the one where the creator had to issue a public apology for the poor quality of the second season?
2008-02-12 12:45 < Ceiling_Cat> Demi - I liked the second season
2008-02-12 12:45 < Ceiling_Cat> not quite as good as the first, but not bad by any stretch
2008-02-12 12:45 < Demi> yes, that's the one
2008-02-12 12:45 < Demi> haha, "I'm super sorry" says Tim Kring
2008-02-12 12:47 < Harland> bye
2008-02-12 12:48 < cimon> anyone what remember cromulent means?
2008-02-12 12:48 < Demi> it describes words like "embiggen"
2008-02-12 12:48 < Scorpy> yed
2008-02-12 12:48 < Scorpy> *tes
2008-02-12 12:48 < Scorpy> *yes
2008-02-12 12:49 < bumm13> "BREMERTON, Wash. (AP) -- Credit unions accept deposits - just not of methamphetamine. A woman who allegedly dropped an envelope containing money and a bag of meth at a Kitsap Credit Union was arrested and charged with drug possession, according to court documents."
2008-02-12 12:49 < bumm13> haha
2008-02-12 12:49 < bumm13> "A bank employee reported the deposit to police, who contacted the 18-year-old customer. Officers said she might have mistakenly included the bag when she got money out of her pocket for the deposit."
2008-02-12 12:50 < Demi> i've done that before
2008-02-12 12:50 < Demi> but with my library card, not a bag of meth
2008-02-12 12:50 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-12 12:50 * bumm13 saves library cards from wherever he has lived
2008-02-12 12:50 < bumm13> in this case, only two places :P
2008-02-12 12:51 < Mimsy> Credit Unions, eh?
2008-02-12 12:51 < bumm13> "bank-like"
2008-02-12 12:51 < Mimsy> I have to fix a small mess I made with the CU
2008-02-12 12:51 < Mimsy> Yeah I have an account at a CU
2008-02-12 12:51 < bumm13> arg
2008-02-12 12:52 < Mimsy> The problem Is i got them mixed up and joined the WRONG CU
2008-02-12 12:52 < Demi> since deregulation there's not much difference between a credit union and a bank
2008-02-12 12:52 < bumm13> not really, no
2008-02-12 12:52 < Mimsy> The CU I joined has 1 ATM in the whole world
2008-02-12 12:52 < bumm13> o.o
2008-02-12 12:52 < Demi> that encourages you to save
2008-02-12 12:52 < Mimsy> The other one in town is a member of a Credit Union ATM network. Supermarket ATMs are free there
2008-02-12 12:52 < Mimsy> So I gotta switch over
2008-02-12 12:52 < Mimsy> PITA
2008-02-12 12:53 < cimon> bumm13: is there a word for that? Exonumia?
2008-02-12 12:53 < Mimsy> ?
2008-02-12 12:53 < bumm13> word for what?
2008-02-12 12:54 < Mimsy> Depositing things not money?
2008-02-12 12:54 < bumm13> not that I'm aware of
2008-02-12 12:57 < Darshan> Hi
2008-02-12 12:57 < bumm13> hi
2008-02-12 12:58 < Darshan> was trying to create an account on wikipedia ...but seems its out of service
2008-02-12 12:59 < cimon> bumm13: I meant collecting atm cards
2008-02-12 13:01 < cimon> or library cards for that matter
2008-02-12 13:01 < bumm13> hiya ggreer
2008-02-12 13:01 < ggreer> what's up
2008-02-12 13:01 * Fabexplosive back
2008-02-12 13:01 < bumm13> not much
2008-02-12 13:01 < cimon> I would think collecting credit card size cards would be a big fad...
2008-02-12 13:01 < bumm13> there's that one dude with the largest credit card collection in the world :)
2008-02-12 13:03 < Mimsy> http://www.company1000.com/images/28-CardCreditCardandChargeCardCollectionNumbersAndExpirationRemoved.JPG
2008-02-12 13:03 < bumm13> personally, I dislike credit cards for most purposes
2008-02-12 13:04 < ggreer> heh
2008-02-12 13:04 < bumm13> and having many of them = bad
2008-02-12 13:04 < Mimsy> I only have Debit cards, no Credit Cards
2008-02-12 13:04 < Demi> well, i find them to be really effective tools for spending a bunch of money you don't have yet
2008-02-12 13:04 < bumm13> Demi: heh, no kidding
2008-02-12 13:05 < Mimsy> Debt free is nice
2008-02-12 13:06 < bumm13> of course
2008-02-12 13:06 < bumm13> the U.S. has a major problem with personal debt
2008-02-12 13:07 < bumm13> and that has kind of extended into the real estate sector
2008-02-12 13:07 < bumm13> (record numbers of home foreclosures, etc.)
2008-02-12 13:07 < bumm13> people trying to speculate in the housing market who have gotten burned by rising interest rates
2008-02-12 13:08 < bumm13> *who tried speculating
2008-02-12 13:08 < Demi> yeah, loan-selling has led to issues, and confirmed my cranky suspicion over ARMs and so forth
2008-02-12 13:08 < bumm13> ARM?
2008-02-12 13:08 < Demi> adjustable rate mortgage
2008-02-12 13:08 < bumm13> ah
2008-02-12 13:10 < Fabexplosive> hey kibble
2008-02-12 13:10 < bumm13> hiya Fabexplosive
2008-02-12 13:11 < Ceiling_Cat> FABEXPLOSIVE!
2008-02-12 13:11 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles
2008-02-12 13:11 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1223400220080212
2008-02-12 13:11 < Fabexplosive> hey bumm13 and Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-12 13:11 < Ceiling_Cat> Goddammit!
2008-02-12 13:11 < Fabexplosive> :DD
2008-02-12 13:11 < Ceiling_Cat> On a vote of 31-67, the Senate rejected a Democratic bid to strip from an anti-terror bill a provision to shield telecommunications companies from possibly billions of dollars in damages. Seventeen Democrats and one independent joined 49 Republicans in defeating the proposed amendment to eliminate immunity.
2008-02-12 13:11 < Mimsy> Howdy Fabexplosive
2008-02-12 13:11 < Fabexplosive> hi Mimsy
2008-02-12 13:11 < bumm13> Ceiling_Cat: that's utter bullshit
2008-02-12 13:12 < Ceiling_Cat> I want their nmaes
2008-02-12 13:12 < Ceiling_Cat> names*
2008-02-12 13:12 < Ceiling_Cat> if any of my senators voted to give them immunity, I'm never voting for them again
2008-02-12 13:12 < JordanC> Happy Darwin Day!
2008-02-12 13:13 < bumm13> "Immunity backers contend phone companies should be thanked, not punished, for helping protect the United States." <--- that's sickening
2008-02-12 13:14 * kibble huggles fabex
2008-02-12 13:14 < Fabexplosive> :)
2008-02-12 13:14 < Fabexplosive> hi Miranda
2008-02-12 13:15 < Ceiling_Cat> grrr....
2008-02-12 13:15 < JordanC> Happy Darwin Day!
2008-02-12 13:15 < JordanC> xD
2008-02-12 13:15 < Ceiling_Cat> Thomas, the US LIbrary of Congress website, is WORTHLESS
2008-02-12 13:15 < Miranda> hi Fabexplosive
2008-02-12 13:15 < bumm13> at least you're close enough to occasionally visit it :\
2008-02-12 13:17 < quanticle> Today is Darwin Day?
2008-02-12 13:17 < JordanC> Yup!
2008-02-12 13:17 < JordanC> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Charles_Darwin_1854.jpg
2008-02-12 13:17 < JordanC> That's the visual equivalent of
2008-02-12 13:17 < JordanC> o_O
2008-02-12 13:18 < AnMaster> anyone else get "Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes."
2008-02-12 13:18 < JordanC> AnMaster: And?
2008-02-12 13:19 < quanticle> JordanC: Isn't o_O more like this: http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/27/00/23120027.jpg
2008-02-12 13:19 < AnMaster> I wonder, because some pages work and others don't
2008-02-12 13:19 < JordanC> quanticle: I think that one's "O rly?"
2008-02-12 13:20 < quanticle> JordanC: I think Darwin is giving more of a O_O than a o_O
2008-02-12 13:20 < JordanC> Hehe
2008-02-12 13:20 < JordanC> quanticle: http://image.bayimg.com/gajnjaaba.jpg
2008-02-12 13:20 < JordanC> :D
2008-02-12 13:20 < JordanC> I love that pic
2008-02-12 13:21 < JordanC> And this: http://image.bayimg.com/gajnfaaba.jpg
2008-02-12 13:21 < JordanC> oops :O
2008-02-12 13:21 < quanticle> JordanC: You love it so much you had to post it twice :P
2008-02-12 13:21 < JordanC> quanticle: Actually, nope
2008-02-12 13:21 < JordanC> Look at the names
2008-02-12 13:21 < JordanC> ;O
2008-02-12 13:22 < quanticle> Heh.
2008-02-12 13:22 < quanticle> Single letter differences in hyperlinks are mean.
2008-02-12 13:22 * JordanC slapslaps quanticle
2008-02-12 13:23 < JordanC> You came on your own, that's how you leave -- with hope in your hands
2008-02-12 13:26 < AnMaster> hm there is an error on http://www.wikiquote.org/, the text "WIKIQUOTE" at the top is the alt value of an image, becasue that image fails to load with an error: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Wikiquote4logo-text.png/135px-Wikiquote4logo-text.png
2008-02-12 13:26 < AnMaster> I got no idea who to really report it to
2008-02-12 13:26 < AnMaster> so just mentioning it here
2008-02-12 13:29 < Cyrius> #wikiquote ?
2008-02-12 13:30 < JordanC> Stop making a fool out of me
2008-02-12 13:30 < JordanC> Why don't you come on over valerie :(
2008-02-12 13:30 < JordanC> VALERIIIEEEe
2008-02-12 13:30 < AnMaster> Cyrius, pass it on then, got to go
2008-02-12 13:35 < Ceiling_Cat> what is the copyright tag for simple attribution?
2008-02-12 13:35 < Ceiling_Cat> e.g, you can use this anyway you want but must attribute the author
2008-02-12 13:37 < Aqwis> Template:Attribution
2008-02-12 13:39 < Aqwis> i'm considering using that on my own images
2008-02-12 13:41 < TheWeasel> Rosemary/Seven years my heart cried for thee!
2008-02-12 13:42 < TheWeasel> No?
2008-02-12 13:42 < TheWeasel> Okay, 'xcuse me.
2008-02-12 13:42 < quanticle> TheWeasel: What?
2008-02-12 13:42 < TheWeasel> I thought we were doing "songs concerning chicks with -i: in their name
2008-02-12 13:44 < TheWeasel> so I wanted to contribute this great poem by [[Hermann Löns]], the poet of the Heath
2008-02-12 13:46 < TheWeasel> "great"
2008-02-12 13:47 < quanticle> TheWeasel: That's the poem?
2008-02-12 13:47 < TheWeasel> no
2008-02-12 13:47 < TheWeasel> it's just a line of it
2008-02-12 13:47 < TheWeasel> the others aren't better either
2008-02-12 13:48 < quanticle> TheWeasel: They're single words as well?
2008-02-12 13:48 < TheWeasel> Well, if it's a long word
2008-02-12 13:48 < TheWeasel> I don't have it in my mind now
2008-02-12 13:49 < Ral315> Anyone familiar with financial statements who'd be willing to help me with something?
2008-02-12 13:49 < TheWeasel> Tax fraud tax fraud, I want tax fraud, and you can help me kindly cause I don't want to be caught
2008-02-12 13:49 < TheWeasel> Nm.
2008-02-12 13:50 < TheWeasel> Tom Jones moment
2008-02-12 13:50 < quanticle> Ral315: Accepting financial or legal advice from IRC is probably not a good idea.
2008-02-12 13:50 < Ral315> Not advice, but I have a question about the Foundation's statements.
2008-02-12 13:50 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles Ral315
2008-02-12 13:50 < JordanC> Oh dear
2008-02-12 13:51 * JordanC shaves Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-12 13:51 * Ral315 pulls out mouth guard
2008-02-12 13:51 * JordanC shaves Loooooooong_Cat
2008-02-12 13:51 * JordanC shaves brown_cat_nap
2008-02-12 13:51 * Loooooooong_Cat is Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
2008-02-12 13:51 < JordanC> Done :D
2008-02-12 13:52 * quanticle shortens Loooooooong_Cat
2008-02-12 13:52 < quanticle> Loooooooong_Cat: you're now known as Lo'ng_Cat
2008-02-12 13:53 < Ceiling_Cat> Lo...ong cat ;)
2008-02-12 13:53 * JordanC gives Loooooooong_Cat a repeating value and a purpose in Chemistry
2008-02-12 13:53 < JordanC> Now you're Loschmidt_cat
2008-02-12 13:53 < JordanC> :D
2008-02-12 13:53 < TheWeasel> ooooooooooo converges towards p
2008-02-12 13:54 < JordanC> XO
2008-02-12 13:54 < quanticle> TheWeasel: But only for very large values of 'o'.
2008-02-12 13:54 < TheWeasel> Obviously
2008-02-12 13:54 < JordanC> Pfft
2008-02-12 13:54 < JordanC> You weren't going to say that
2008-02-12 13:54 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-cTWXGtWzE
2008-02-12 13:55 < TheWeasel> 2=3 for sufficiently large 2
2008-02-12 13:55 < JordanC> Well, I'll be damned
2008-02-12 13:55 < JordanC> Knight Ridder (IPA: /'r?d?/) was an American media company, specializing in newspaper and Internet publishing.
2008-02-12 13:55 < Loooooooong_Cat> Because of the length of Long Cats torso the metabolism is exceptionally slow. Everything eaten by the Long Cat must be digested over a 50 year period. Which is a LOOOOOOOOOONG time, in cat years. This could be why there's never been a recorded sighting of the Long Cat doing anything other than wandering around with an apathetic, empty-minded stare upon it's feline face. Well, that's Long Cat for you.
2008-02-12 13:55 < JordanC> Is it owned by Hasselhoff?
2008-02-12 13:56 < TheWeasel> Knight Ridder had pretty good papers
2008-02-12 13:56 < quanticle> JordanC: You didn't know? Knight Ridder owned the local paper here before it got bought by McClatchy
2008-02-12 13:56 < TheWeasel> I didn't know they were a has-been
2008-02-12 13:56 < TheWeasel> *are
2008-02-12 13:56 * JordanC slaps Loooooooong_Cat in the face with the power of 350 supernovae
2008-02-12 13:56 < JordanC> Take that you damn cat
2008-02-12 13:57 < quanticle> JordanC: Loooooooong_Cat can abosorb up to 9000 supernovae throuh sheer length alone.
2008-02-12 13:57 < TheWeasel> Maybe he's approaching a black hole
2008-02-12 13:57 < TheWeasel> that makes you long
2008-02-12 13:57 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Wormnole?
2008-02-12 13:57 < TheWeasel> Not necessarily
2008-02-12 13:58 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Oh, you mean the relativistic stretching that you get as you approach the event horizon, right?
2008-02-12 13:58 < Ral315> I thought Knight-Ridder was still around as well.
2008-02-12 13:58 < JordanC> quanticle: All lies!
2008-02-12 13:58 < TheWeasel> Right.
2008-02-12 13:58 < TheWeasel> Spaghetti effect
2008-02-12 13:58 < Ral315> Then again, I didn't pay much attention to them after they sold the Detroit Free Press to Gannett.
2008-02-12 13:59 < Ceiling_Cat> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=451104&cid=22394722
2008-02-12 13:59 * Ceiling_Cat lulz
2008-02-12 14:05 * quanticle really dislikes the current ClearChannel vs. XM/Sirius debate. Both sides are really just arguing over who has exclusive rights to screw over the consumer.
2008-02-12 14:07 < bumm13> naturally
2008-02-12 14:07 < Ral315> I wish a competitor to XM/Sirius would pop up, with commercials.
2008-02-12 14:07 < bumm13> in the end, though, Clear Channel offers less
2008-02-12 14:07 < Ral315> I'd pay for the radio, to take satellite radio with no monthly fee and commercials.
2008-02-12 14:08 * bumm13 "makes his own radio"
2008-02-12 14:08 < bumm13> (as in, I listen to my own choice of tunes)
2008-02-12 14:09 < Ral315> I'm too lazy to buy a radio that'd allow me to do that. My car doesn't even have an antenna for radio reception -- the only reason I can hear any stations is because I always drive within about 5 miles of downtown, where they all broadcast from.
2008-02-12 14:10 < Ral315> Besides, I've bought two cheap MP3 players -- I lost one, and broke the other. I've finally just given up :)
2008-02-12 14:10 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/485591.html
2008-02-12 14:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Best news I've heard all day :)
2008-02-12 14:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Republicans are disspirited and broke :)
2008-02-12 14:11 < Ceiling_Cat> and retiring in droves
2008-02-12 14:11 < AppleBoy> I win I win!
2008-02-12 14:11 < eth01> bumm13, icecast!
2008-02-12 14:12 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat: they'll wake up in droves, if there is the slightest chance the democrats are nominating Billary...
2008-02-12 14:12 < Ral315> I'm wondering what'll happen with Michigan's delegates.
2008-02-12 14:13 < Ral315> I turn 18 on March 15, and there's a good chance I might be eligible to vote in a caucus or primary to redecide who's getting the delegates.
2008-02-12 14:14 < cimon> in fact, there will be a stampede to get onside McCaine, if Obama wiffs it...
2008-02-12 14:15 < Ral315> At this rate, there are three things that will decide the Democratic candidate: Edwards' endorsement, the votes of superdelegates, and how Michigan/Florida are handled.
2008-02-12 14:16 < Ral315> There are good odds on a brokered convention right now.
2008-02-12 14:16 < NotACow> Ral315: you can't have a brokered convention with only two viable candidates.
2008-02-12 14:16 < NotACow> Ral315: unless the vote is exactly tied, the decision will be made on the first ballot
2008-02-12 14:17 < Ral315> NotACow: I don't think the Democrats have figured out what to do with Michigan and Florida.
2008-02-12 14:17 < NotACow> it's remotely possible that the small number o delegates still pledged to kucinich or other not-really-candidates will end up with no majority on the first vote, but that's exceedingly improbable.
2008-02-12 14:17 < Ral315> My understanding was that their delegates currently don't count, but count toward the total of 2,025.
2008-02-12 14:17 < NotACow> Ral315: they're not in the 2025.
2008-02-12 14:17 < Ral315> Aren't they?
2008-02-12 14:17 < NotACow> Ral315: if they're added back the number oes up
2008-02-12 14:18 < NotACow> Ral315: 2025 is just half of the total number of delegates.
2008-02-12 14:18 < Ral315> Then why did Obama's "leaked forecast" have Obama and Hillary both around 1,800? I wonder if that was excluding Edwards' delegates.
2008-02-12 14:18 < NotACow> Ral315: states not voted and delegates not decided.
2008-02-12 14:18 < NotACow> Ral315: even in states where voting is complete we don't know how all the delegates will go
2008-02-12 14:19 < NotACow> Ral315: some of the delegates from some states will be decided in that state's convention
2008-02-12 14:19 < Ral315> I think it counted states not voted, though, didn't it? Because they're currently in the 1100-1200 range.
2008-02-12 14:19 < Ral315> Right.
2008-02-12 14:19 < NotACow> and state conventions won't be held until juneish
2008-02-12 14:19 < Ral315> But it was a projection of where Obama thought they'd be at the national convention.
2008-02-12 14:19 < cimon> Obama is counting on the electorate wanting to prevent a close result...?
2008-02-12 14:19 < NotACow> Ral315: 3600 is roughly the total number od delegates less superdels
2008-02-12 14:19 < NotACow> Ral315: so i'm guessing that's a pledged delegate prediction
2008-02-12 14:19 < Ral315> Aah, is that not counting superdelegates?
2008-02-12 14:20 < NotACow> Ral315: there are 4049 delegates, ~780 of which are superdels.
2008-02-12 14:20 < cimon> if it is a close race, Daily Show will be rubbing their hands...
2008-02-12 14:20 < NotACow> 3600 would about represent all pledged dels plus all announced superdels less pledged dels to be decided at state conventions
2008-02-12 14:21 < Cyrius> cimon: what, anticipating another pulitzer?
2008-02-12 14:21 < NotACow> so i'm guessing that that's anticipated pledged dels plus "firm" superdels
2008-02-12 14:21 < cimon> Cyrius: I can imagine the line they'll take...
2008-02-12 14:22 < cimon> states moving primaries earlier, and voters moving indecision forward...
2008-02-12 14:22 < cimon> *earlier
2008-02-12 14:23 < Cyrius> TDS has already got "indecision 2008" and "clusterf*ck to the white house"
2008-02-12 14:23 < Cyrius> I don't think they've used the latter one lately
2008-02-12 14:24 < Ral315> Once they get writers, they'll be on the election a lot stronger.
2008-02-12 14:24 < Ral315> It's tough to run election coverage when you can't technically write any of it :)
2008-02-12 14:25 < NotACow> lovely
2008-02-12 14:25 < NotACow> "Current conditions: Snow, Freezing Fog"
2008-02-12 14:26 < Ral315> NotACow: Nice.
2008-02-12 14:26 < NotACow> i so love freezing fog
2008-02-12 14:26 < Ral315> If you're getting it now, we'll probably be getting it tonight and tomorrow...
2008-02-12 14:26 < Cyrius> I just had a line of severe thunderstorms blow through
2008-02-12 14:26 < eth01> it's been sunny here mind you.
2008-02-12 14:26 < NotACow> Ral315: winds are out of the northeast, so don't count on that
2008-02-12 14:26 < eth01> the past 2/3 days have been gorgeous.
2008-02-12 14:26 < Cyrius> it's still dark outside
2008-02-12 14:26 < NotACow> Ral315: where are you, anyway?
2008-02-12 14:26 < NotACow> Ral315: this appears to be lake effect snow
2008-02-12 14:27 < cimon> NotACow: sounds like where I am, sans the freezing and the snow... we have been above freezing but with steady thick fog here for at least a week now if not longer... I've said it before, southern Finland is getting used to British weather...
2008-02-12 14:27 < Ral315> NotACow: Grand Rapids, MI.
2008-02-12 14:27 < NotACow> Ral315: ah! well, you'll get it early morning tomorrow, probably.
2008-02-12 14:28 < NotACow> Ral315: the wind is supposed to shoft around midnight
2008-02-12 14:30 < cimon> next week is supposed to be the designated "skiing holiday" here in finnish schools (instituted specifically to enable school children to maintain skiing skills so they will have it in good stead for use in winter war-fare in adulthood.
2008-02-12 14:31 < cimon> not impressive chanses of snow here in southern finland... tulips are pushing up flowers, way out of season and likewise other plants are already wagering on an early spring...
2008-02-12 14:33 < cimon> but one thing is for sure. Next year will see record numbers of feral bunnies in the Helsinki area conurbation...
2008-02-12 14:34 < Ral315> cimon: Doesn't everyone love feral bunnies? :)
2008-02-12 14:35 < cimon> Ral315: not when they eat the bark right bare from any park services plantings...
2008-02-12 14:36 < cimon> millions of taxpayers money lost via the parks services...
2008-02-12 14:36 < Ral315> Can't you release feral tigers to eat the feral bunnies, or something?
2008-02-12 14:37 < Ral315> Seriously, though, you think there'd be something they could do about that.
2008-02-12 14:37 < cimon> Ral315: well, some are saying it is only a short hop from here to urban foxes...
2008-02-12 14:38 < cimon> Ral315: they are starting to, but you know, bunnies have well nigh perfected the breeding bit...
2008-02-12 14:40 < cimon> if the cold winter doesn't decimate their numbers, they can pretty much breed themselves out of anything the park services throw at them...
2008-02-12 14:43 < gwern> 'Winston Groom's price for the screenplay rights to his novel Forrest Gump included a share of the profits; however, due to Hollywood accounting, the film's commercial success was converted into a net loss, and Groom received nothing. That being so, he has refused to sell the screenplay rights to the novel's sequel, stating that he cannot in good conscience allow money to be wasted on a failure.'
2008-02-12 14:43 < JordanC> Ph man
2008-02-12 14:44 < JordanC> Oh man, that's heart-breaking
2008-02-12 14:48 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-12 14:49 < eth01> boo
2008-02-12 14:49 < eth01> hoo
2008-02-12 14:53 < JordanC> I feeeeel fiiine
2008-02-12 14:53 < JordanC> It's the end of the wooorld as we know it
2008-02-12 14:55 * gwern looks at all these shiny happy people
2008-02-12 14:58 < OverlordQ> AGAHGH, fark always makes my day
2008-02-12 15:02 < emijrp> FROM OKLAHOMA Miranda ????
2008-02-12 15:04 < emijrp> lol
2008-02-12 15:19 < OverlordQ> Agahgahg, you know you have something configured wrong when you disk usage graph looks like this: http://i31.tinypic.com/os6d0l.png
2008-02-12 15:19 < gwern> neat. it's snowing
2008-02-12 15:20 < gwern> OverlordQ: looks like someone found a new porn or filesharing site
2008-02-12 15:20 < quanticle> OverlordQ: Heh. Some script isn't cleaning up temp-files, I'm guessing.
2008-02-12 15:21 < emijrp> OverlordQ: where is it?
2008-02-12 15:21 < quanticle> gwern: That's not exactly what I'd call neat, buy you're entitled to your own opinion.
2008-02-12 15:21 < OverlordQ> it's mysql :-/
2008-02-12 15:21 < emijrp> wikipedia serverS?
2008-02-12 15:21 < OverlordQ> no, mine
2008-02-12 15:21 < OverlordQ> :/var/log/mysql# du -h
2008-02-12 15:21 < OverlordQ> 5.8G .
2008-02-12 15:22 < quanticle> OverlordQ: What are you storing in your database?
2008-02-12 15:22 * OverlordQ dropkicks binlog
2008-02-12 15:22 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-12 15:22 < quanticle> Wait, that was the LOG directory?!
2008-02-12 15:22 < NotACow> get a bigger disk
2008-02-12 15:22 < OverlordQ> yea
2008-02-12 15:22 < quanticle> OverlordQ: Did you somehow set hyper-verbose logging or something?
2008-02-12 15:23 < OverlordQ> no, it's just the binlog
2008-02-12 15:23 < NotACow> yay for tranlogs
2008-02-12 15:23 < OverlordQ> installed some new software which I guess does a metric asston of updates
2008-02-12 15:24 < quanticle> OverlordQ: I guess. What did you install?
2008-02-12 15:24 < OverlordQ> torstatus
2008-02-12 15:25 < OverlordQ> quick rm -f to the rescue
2008-02-12 15:25 < OverlordQ> and turning off the binlog lol
2008-02-12 15:25 < NotACow> DEATH TO LOGS
2008-02-12 15:26 < Messedrocker> [15:25] <NotACow> DEATH TO LOGS
2008-02-12 15:26 < Messedrocker> omg i logged
2008-02-12 15:26 < OverlordQ> <Messedrocker> [15:25] <NotACow> DEATH TO LOGS
2008-02-12 15:26 < OverlordQ> UH OH, RECURSIVE LOGGIN
2008-02-12 15:26 < Rinn> PUBLIC LOGGERS
2008-02-12 15:26 < Rinn> BAN THEM
2008-02-12 15:33 * Arria waits for the first mention of the witch scene in Monty Python's "Holy Grail" ^^
2008-02-12 15:34 < OverlordQ> I got better
2008-02-12 15:36 < eth01> any admins about?
2008-02-12 15:37 < quanticle> < OverlordQ> <Messedrocker> [15:25] <NotACow> DEATH TO LOGS
2008-02-12 15:37 < OverlordQ> !admin usually pages somebody and they show up *points to eth01*
2008-02-12 15:38 < quanticle> OverlordQ: but you
2008-02-12 15:38 * placebo_effect stabs overlord!
2008-02-12 15:38 < quanticle> 're only supposed to sues that for emergencies
2008-02-12 15:38 < OverlordQ> o
2008-02-12 15:38 < placebo_effect> what quanticle said
2008-02-12 15:38 < OverlordQ> well it *might* be an emergency
2008-02-12 15:38 < quanticle> OverlordQ: And the defintion of emergency varies from admin to adming
2008-02-12 15:38 < quanticle> *admin
2008-02-12 15:38 < quanticle> OverlordQ: Well, you don't know that.
2008-02-12 15:39 < OverlordQ> bah leave me alone, I've been up for 26 hours :/
2008-02-12 15:39 < placebo_effect> if you are going to explin that to someone
2008-02-12 15:39 < placebo_effect> use spaces
2008-02-12 15:39 < OQ_Hiding> Wasn't me
2008-02-12 15:39 < eth01> !admin
2008-02-12 15:40 < OQ_Hiding> *facepalm*
2008-02-12 15:40 < placebo_effect> yes?
2008-02-12 15:40 < placebo_effect> you need something?
2008-02-12 15:40 < eth01> i do indeed.
2008-02-12 15:41 < OQ_Hiding> better be important eth01, or I shall hunt you down
2008-02-12 15:41 < _Certh_4> ��
2008-02-12 15:41 < _Certh_4> hi
2008-02-12 15:42 < Rinn> I got banned from a place for something like this before.
2008-02-12 15:42 < Rinn> I used the admin summon command two or three times and when one of them asked me what I needed I replied "Money."
2008-02-12 15:42 < OQ_Hiding> agahgahgah
2008-02-12 15:44 < Ceiling_Cat> MOTHER FUCKER
2008-02-12 15:44 < Ceiling_Cat> my senator voted to give the telecoms immunity
2008-02-12 15:44 < Ceiling_Cat> he just lost my vote (forever)
2008-02-12 15:44 < _Certh_4> who does not need money?
2008-02-12 15:44 < Messedrocker> immunity from what?
2008-02-12 15:45 < Ceiling_Cat> from being sued for illegally giving the government private information
2008-02-12 15:45 < _Certh_4> by the way, what is good money in your location?
2008-02-12 15:45 < Ceiling_Cat> (e.g, helping bush spy on us)
2008-02-12 15:45 < Messedrocker> bush can kiss my knickers!
2008-02-12 15:45 < Messedrocker> i do not recognize his authority as president
2008-02-12 15:53 < NotACow> DEATH TO NICKNAMES
2008-02-12 15:56 < NotASpy> and it's gone deadly quiet.
2008-02-12 15:57 < Ral315> Ceiling_Cat: Where's the vote?
2008-02-12 15:57 < Ral315> I want to see how my senators did.
2008-02-12 16:00 < JordanC> Rock the vote
2008-02-12 16:00 < gwern> huh. this is an interesting suggestion
2008-02-12 16:01 < gwern> whether John McCain can even legally become president
2008-02-12 16:01 < Ral315> gwern: ?
2008-02-12 16:01 < gwern> the problem is apparently to be president, you have be born in the United States, right?
2008-02-12 16:01 < gwern> but McCain was born in Panama
2008-02-12 16:01 < gwern> and on land that was only leased from Panama
2008-02-12 16:02 < Starnestommy> I think your parents have to have been citizens when you were born
2008-02-12 16:02 < Dp67> you have to be a born citizen, but being borm abroad to us citizens does not exclude you.
2008-02-12 16:02 < gwern> '“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”'
2008-02-12 16:02 < JordanC> Oh balm her
2008-02-12 16:02 < JordanC> Universal healthcare for the USA, pleeeeeease
2008-02-12 16:02 < gwern> it looks like a grandfather clause to me, there
2008-02-12 16:02 < Ral315> He was born a U.S. Citizen, despite being born outside the U.S.
2008-02-12 16:03 < gwern> Ral315: yeah, but just being a citizen doesn't cut the mustard if I'm reading the constiution right. you only get grandfathered in as a citizen if you were a citizen when the constiution was adopted
2008-02-12 16:03 < gwern> mccain is old, but not *that* old
2008-02-12 16:04 < Ral315> I think the catch is "natural-born".
2008-02-12 16:04 < NotASpy> gwern: does the same restrictions apply to Senators, Governors and Congressmen et al ?
2008-02-12 16:04 < Ral315> I don't think it means "must be born on U.S. soil"
2008-02-12 16:04 < Undeference> "natural born Citizen" has never been defined.
2008-02-12 16:04 < gwern> NotASpy: it only mentions Office of President, so I gues snot. Schwarzenegger became guvnor, no
2008-02-12 16:05 < Dp67> If your parents are both US citizens you can be born on Mars and you are still a natural born citizen.
2008-02-12 16:05 < Ral315> The Wikipedia article [[Natural-born citizen]] says that Panama was under U.S. sovereignty at the time, and that's why he's eligible.
2008-02-12 16:06 < gwern> 'The natural born citizen clause is a subject of debate. No law or court ruling has ever established the precise definition of a natural born citizen. It is generally agreed that a natural born citizen of the United States is any person born in one of the 50 states or the District of Columbia. But it is not firmly agreed[citation needed] if this definition should also include persons born in United States overseas territories or persons born to ...
2008-02-12 16:06 < gwern> ... United States citizens living abroad. To date, no such person has been nominated for President or Vice President by a major political party, although some serious candidates for nomination (most recently George W. Romney, who was born in Mexico, and John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone) have fallen into the area of uncertainty. '
2008-02-12 16:07 < Ral315> Even if he's ineligible, any attempt to dethrone him would be viewed as "sour grapes".
2008-02-12 16:07 < autocracy> I imagine it falls into "born into citizenship"
2008-02-12 16:07 < autocracy> e.g., not naturalized
2008-02-12 16:07 < gwern> eh. the democrats are still angry over 2000, so I think a lot of people would see it as turnabout's fair play
2008-02-12 16:08 < gwern> or, 'well, you shouldn't have nominated him then'
2008-02-12 16:08 < _Certh_4> hi
2008-02-12 16:09 < gwern> 'Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857): In regard to the "natural born citizen" clause, the dissent states that it is acquired by place of birth (jus soli), not through blood or lineage (jus sanguinis)'
2008-02-12 16:09 < _Certh_4> people can anybody please help me
2008-02-12 16:09 < Dp67> believe me, it's gone this far and I'm sure McCain and the GOP have got lawyers that have scrutinzed over that issue and still proceeded so there must be no issues that will disolve his eligability.
2008-02-12 16:10 < Dp67> If there were he would not be in the race.
2008-02-12 16:10 < Harland> ello
2008-02-12 16:10 < gwern> political calculation is not the same thing as strictly legal consideration
2008-02-12 16:10 < OverlordQ> yea but Nygun vs INS
2008-02-12 16:10 < gwern> a lot goes on in politics that may not be in the straight and narrow
2008-02-12 16:10 < Ral315> Ouch, Obama gave the telecoms immunity.
2008-02-12 16:11 < OverlordQ> The Court upheld the law, once again affirming that Congress has the power to define citizenship outside the citizenship dictated by the 14th Amendment (citizenship by birth).
2008-02-12 16:11 < _Certh_4> peps is 30-35 $/sq meter a high price for realty?
2008-02-12 16:11 < Ral315> _Certh_4: That depends highly on where you're looking.
2008-02-12 16:11 < Ral315> Your best bet is to talk to a local retailer.
2008-02-12 16:12 < Ral315> *realtor
2008-02-12 16:12 < _Certh_4> Ral315: what about your location?
2008-02-12 16:12 < Demi> what kind of dollars are you talking about?
2008-02-12 16:12 < _Certh_4> Demi: US
2008-02-12 16:12 < gwern> zimbabwean
2008-02-12 16:12 < Demi> how do you buy square meters in the u.s.?
2008-02-12 16:13 < Ral315> In my area, that might be high, but that's also depending on specific location.
2008-02-12 16:13 < Ral315> Five miles away from me, in the high-rent district of my city, that's probably a good deal.
2008-02-12 16:13 < Demi> alaska only cost a dollar or something, but deals like that are hard to find these days
2008-02-12 16:13 < _Certh_4> Demi: well i do not buy
2008-02-12 16:13 < _Certh_4> Demi: well i made a mistake
2008-02-12 16:14 < _Certh_4> Demi: i meant 35000 dollars
2008-02-12 16:14 < Dp67> for a while there they were paying people to move to Alaska, don't know if they still do or not.
2008-02-12 16:14 < _Certh_4> 35 thousand dollars /sq meter
2008-02-12 16:14 < Demi> Dp67 - residents get some kind of payment
2008-02-12 16:14 < slashem> Alaska distributes proceeds from oil profits to residents
2008-02-12 16:15 < Demi> _Certh_4 - yes, that's $16M plus for a 5000 square foot lot
2008-02-12 16:15 < Demi> that's big city numbers
2008-02-12 16:16 < Dp67> you wouldnt catch me living there.. Too friggin cold..
2008-02-12 16:16 < _Certh_4> Demi: so it is typical price for a big city?
2008-02-12 16:17 < Demi> i don't know; if someone told me a vacant lot in downtown san francisco sold for that, i wouldn't be surprised
2008-02-12 16:17 < slashem> I doubt that price is for undeveloped land
2008-02-12 16:17 < The359> you can get waterfront property in Florida for cheaper than that.
2008-02-12 16:18 < Demi> i'm not saying that's an actual price, i'm saying it wouldn't surprise me
2008-02-12 16:18 < Dp67> $35,000 a square meter? thats roughly 3 sq. feet or one sq. yard. I'd say thats pretty steep.
2008-02-12 16:18 < J-stan> Hey just a quick question, if I type the password recognition code (/msg NickServ...) on this channel, will it show?
2008-02-12 16:18 < _Certh_4> i asked is it good 30-35 thousand dollars/sq meter for a flat
2008-02-12 16:18 < The359> no J-stan
2008-02-12 16:18 < J-stan> sorry if that's totally random
2008-02-12 16:18 < The359> the /msg is a private message
2008-02-12 16:18 < J-stan> Oh cool, thanks
2008-02-12 16:19 < J-stan> I think I'd done that before, and I was worried