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2008-02-12 03:45 < brown_cat> wrong channel
2008-02-12 03:45 < brown_cat> srry
2008-02-12 03:45 < Lady_Aleena> It takes almost an hour for the weekly anti-virus scan.
2008-02-12 03:45 < Soms> What are the spec's on your computer?
2008-02-12 03:46 < Lady_Aleena> Looking for them now, I haven't had to know those in years.
2008-02-12 03:46 < Soms> how old is the computer?
2008-02-12 03:46 < The359> The things listed there aren't actually files, Aleena
2008-02-12 03:46 < The359> They're programs
2008-02-12 03:47 < Lady_Aleena> Processor:Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz
2008-02-12 03:47 < Lady_Aleena> Processor speed: 3.31 GHz
2008-02-12 03:47 < Soms> Well that should be decent, what about ram?
2008-02-12 03:47 < Lady_Aleena> Memory: 1024 MB
2008-02-12 03:47 < Soms> Windows XP?
2008-02-12 03:47 < Lady_Aleena> Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
2008-02-12 03:47 < Soms> Well that should be fine.
2008-02-12 03:47 < Lady_Aleena> Operating System Version: 5.1.2600
2008-02-12 03:47 < Soms> How big of a HDD?
2008-02-12 03:48 < Lady_Aleena> Total Capacity: 148.97 GB
2008-02-12 03:48 < The359> Aleena, hit Ctrl+Alt+Del once to open Windows Task Manager, it might help to know if something's merely eating memory
2008-02-12 03:48 < Lady_Aleena> (Mostly filled with TV episodes that I can't edit the commecials out of.)
2008-02-12 03:49 < The359> under the Applications tab, how many things are listed?
2008-02-12 03:49 < Lady_Aleena> firefox.exe is the biggest, with explorer.exe the next biggest, then svchost.exe and CCAPP.EXE and excel.exe.
2008-02-12 03:50 < The359> Firefox might be the problem
2008-02-12 03:50 < The359> it's notorious for its memory leaks
2008-02-12 03:50 < The359> How big is the memory usage?
2008-02-12 03:50 < Lady_Aleena> Under applications, there are 3 items listed.
2008-02-12 03:50 < Soms> Under commit charge what does it say?
2008-02-12 03:51 < Lady_Aleena> Where do I find commit charge?
2008-02-12 03:51 < Soms> and he meant to say look under processes for the memory usage
2008-02-12 03:51 < Soms> bottom right hand corner
2008-02-12 03:51 < The359> it should be listed at the bottom of the box
2008-02-12 03:51 < Lady_Aleena> 468M / 2463M
2008-02-12 03:51 < Soms> whens the last time you rebooted?
2008-02-12 03:52 < Lady_Aleena> About 15 minutes ago.
2008-02-12 03:52 < Lady_Aleena> I have 66 processes going right now.
2008-02-12 03:52 < The359> Aleena, under the Processes tab
2008-02-12 03:52 < The359> How much memory is Firefox using?
2008-02-12 03:52 < Lady_Aleena> 49,640 K
2008-02-12 03:52 < Soms> wow thats alot of processes and memory
2008-02-12 03:52 < Soms> what processes?
2008-02-12 03:52 < The359> hmm, that is a pretty big size
2008-02-12 03:52 < Lady_Aleena> 49,684 K and rising.
2008-02-12 03:52 < Soms> actually guys lets take this to another channel
2008-02-12 03:52 < The359> You might want to completely close Firefox and restart it
2008-02-12 03:52 < Lady_Aleena> Name it.
2008-02-12 03:53 < The359> that might help
2008-02-12 03:53 < Soms> The359: Your call, want to create a channel?
2008-02-12 03:53 < The359> hell if I know
2008-02-12 03:53 < Soms> heh
2008-02-12 03:53 < Soms> ##wikihelp
2008-02-12 03:53 < Soms> lets take it there
2008-02-12 04:14 < brown_cat> the simplest english diagram ever http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Australian_English_IPA_vowel_chart.png
2008-02-12 04:15 * The359 recognizes that chart
2008-02-12 04:15 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-02-12 04:16 < The359> except in American English
2008-02-12 04:16 < brown_cat> ah :)
2008-02-12 04:27 < IceKarma> brown_cat, lol, it appears to have been created using the blank IPA vowel chart template I drew. ;)
2008-02-12 04:31 < brown_cat> xD
2008-02-12 04:34 < Soms> The359: She says thank you.
2008-02-12 04:36 < brown_cat> O_o DAFFY DUCK IS RUNNING UP THE WALL
2008-02-12 04:36 < The359> yeah
2008-02-12 04:37 < Soms> ....
2008-02-12 04:37 * brown_cat watches Soms melt
2008-02-12 04:38 * Soms beats brown_cat
2008-02-12 04:38 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-02-12 04:45 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-02-12 05:09 < Lady_Aleena> (mope) I am so lost and behind the times.
2008-02-12 05:10 * Lady_Aleena waves and departs in a cloud of mist.
2008-02-12 05:28 < Yuyudevil> Any enwp sysops around?
2008-02-12 05:30 < TheLetterE> I am
2008-02-12 05:30 < TheLetterE> What's up?
2008-02-12 05:30 < Yuyudevil> My IP was blocked for being an 'open proxy'
2008-02-12 05:31 < TheLetterE> right
2008-02-12 05:31 < Yuyudevil> I use a weird ISP which redirects traffic from 169.***.***.***.*** to 203.- but I'm not sure if that's the reason
2008-02-12 05:32 < TheLetterE> hmm, im not really familiar with range blocks and open proxies but ill try to get someone to help you
2008-02-12 05:32 < TheLetterE> one moment
2008-02-12 05:32 < Yuyudevil> (I for one have no clue how to use proxies)
2008-02-12 05:32 < Yuyudevil> Network info thingy says my current IP is 203.166.194.66
2008-02-12 05:35 < Werdna> somebody wanted a technical opinion on open proxies?
2008-02-12 05:35 * Dmcdevit waves.
2008-02-12 05:35 < dungodung> dominic!
2008-02-12 05:35 < Yuyudevil> My IP got blocked on enwp for being an 'open proxy'
2008-02-12 05:35 < Yuyudevil> Except...
2008-02-12 05:35 < Dmcdevit> Hey Yuyudevil, TheLetterE was telling me about your problem. :)
2008-02-12 05:35 < Yuyudevil> 1) I have no clue how to use proxies
2008-02-12 05:35 * Dmcdevit waves dungodung.
2008-02-12 05:35 < Yuyudevil> 2) My IP has always been dynamic
2008-02-12 05:36 < Werdna> Yuyudevil: ever installed tor?
2008-02-12 05:36 < TheLetterE> Yuyudevil: There is your help; have a good evening.
2008-02-12 05:36 < Yuyudevil> Werdna: Never heard of it
2008-02-12 05:36 < Dmcdevit> Yuyudevil, When you edit, it should tell you the IP, right?
2008-02-12 05:36 < TheLetterE> [20:32:25] <Yuyudevil> Network info thingy says my current IP is 203.166.194.66
2008-02-12 05:36 < Yuyudevil> TheLetterE: Aha thanks :)
2008-02-12 05:36 < dungodung> :D
2008-02-12 05:37 < Dmcdevit> When you get the blocked message, though. Just to be sure, what does WP say your IP is? :-)
2008-02-12 05:37 < Yuyudevil> Your IP address is 202.146.241.5, and the block has been set to expire: 17:52, 23 March 2008.
2008-02-12 05:37 < Dmcdevit> 203.166.194.66 isn't blocked. I'm checking ranges...
2008-02-12 05:37 < Dmcdevit> Aha, okay.
2008-02-12 05:42 < Dmcdevit> Bah. I can't port scan from here. In any case, I'll give the benefit of the doubt and unblock it, since it's been 5 months since the IP was blocked.
2008-02-12 05:43 < IceKarma> Dmcdevit, oh, c'mon, all you need is telnet
2008-02-12 05:43 < OverlordQ> yea, nothing open on this side
2008-02-12 05:43 < Yuyudevil> Yikes... thanks though
2008-02-12 05:43 < OverlordQ> 'cept CUPS lol
2008-02-12 05:44 < TheLetterE> Dmcdevit: Toolserver is down :(
2008-02-12 05:46 < Dmcdevit> Yuyudevil, Be warned that if you're a vandal or a banned user trying to get access to your proxy, I will track you down and ban any IP you ever thought about looking at. ;-) Otherwise, happy editing!
2008-02-12 05:46 * Dmcdevit hugs Yuyudevil.
2008-02-12 05:47 < Yuyudevil> Dmcdevit: Thanks!
2008-02-12 05:48 * Dmcdevit looks around menacingly at the rest of the channel.
2008-02-12 05:48 < IceKarma> Dmcdevit, a relevant quote comes to mind, which I will now have to track down.
2008-02-12 05:48 < OverlordQ> Dmcdevit: prolly something like AOL, caching proxy or something, so.
2008-02-12 05:53 < IceKarma> Dmcdevit, "Later that month, [...] she issued him with a formal malediction, wishing that the curse of Mary Malone and her nine blind orphan children might pursue him so far over the hills and the seas that God Almighty couldn't find him with a radio telescope."
2008-02-12 05:55 < Dmcdevit> Exactly.
2008-02-12 05:55 < Dmcdevit> Except God dosn't have CheckUser. ;-)
2008-02-12 05:55 < Dmcdevit> *doesn't
2008-02-12 05:55 < IceKarma> Dmcdevit, well, you're obviously the curse in hot pursuit
2008-02-12 05:56 < Dmcdevit> Yes, I mean that I'm an even more formidable curse than that one. :-)
2008-02-12 06:00 < Dmcdevit> Wow this channel is actually quiet. I like it.
2008-02-12 06:00 < SQLDb> OverlordQ: Copycat! :P
2008-02-12 06:01 * SQLDb yells in Dmcdevit's general vicinity
2008-02-12 06:02 < Dmcdevit> hmm. I make no comment on the maturity level, though. :-)
2008-02-12 06:02 < SQLDb> heh
2008-02-12 06:02 < SQLDb> I always seem to take that down a point or two :)
2008-02-12 06:04 < Dmcdevit> I wonder how your children will turn out, then. ;-)
2008-02-12 06:04 * brown_cat_ thinks all the female teachers are getting in sync with each other... now they all begin pmssing at us at the same time
2008-02-12 06:04 < SQLDb> Dmcdevit: pretty good, so far :P
2008-02-12 06:05 < Dmcdevit> By *your* standard, though.
2008-02-12 06:05 * Dmcdevit ducks.
2008-02-12 06:05 * brown_cat_ asks TheWeasel for advice
2008-02-12 06:05 < TheWeasel> Hm?
2008-02-12 06:05 < SQLDb> Dmcdevit: hah, indeed :)
2008-02-12 06:05 < brown_cat_> read up :)
2008-02-12 06:07 < TheWeasel> Ain't nothin' you can do about it.
2008-02-12 06:14 < Harland> ello
2008-02-12 06:15 < SQLDb> Harland: hello
2008-02-12 06:20 < brown_cat_> TheWeasel: Could I put hormones in their coffee to change their sync?
2008-02-12 06:20 < TheWeasel> I'm not a biologist, but not bloody likely
2008-02-12 06:32 < Harland> I see no reason why not... but do be careful
2008-02-12 06:40 * brown_cat_ takes agent x
2008-02-12 06:40 < brown_cat_> I hope I become a powerpuff girl :D
2008-02-12 06:41 < Harland> I hope you do to
2008-02-12 06:41 < Harland> ...o
2008-02-12 06:43 * brown_cat flies around
2008-02-12 06:43 * brown_cat lands on Harland
2008-02-12 06:44 < Harland> Owww
2008-02-12 06:51 < Harland> A boring newbie question, but how exactly do you register? There are places telling why to register, and what to do but nowhere gives you a link to a place where you actually register.
2008-02-12 06:51 < brown_cat> Harland: getting the url
2008-02-12 06:52 < NotACow> REGISTER YOUR PICKLE!
2008-02-12 06:52 < brown_cat> Harland: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup&returnto=Main_Page
2008-02-12 06:52 * brown_cat slaps NotACow silly
2008-02-12 06:52 * NotACow stuffs brown_cat into the recycler
2008-02-12 06:52 * brown_cat huffs NotACow
2008-02-12 06:52 * NotACow is unhuffable.
2008-02-12 06:52 < Harland> not register on wikipedia! but register on irc.freenode.net!!
2008-02-12 06:53 * NotACow is ineffable, too
2008-02-12 06:53 < NotACow> Harland: /msg nickserv register password
2008-02-12 06:54 < Warpath> /msg nickserv regsiter password
2008-02-12 06:54 < Warpath> /msg nickserv register password
2008-02-12 06:54 < Warpath> ;DD
2008-02-12 06:54 < Harland> thankyou!
2008-02-12 06:58 < spectie> hahaha Warpath
2008-02-12 06:58 < spectie> ;DDD
2008-02-12 06:58 < Warpath> O_O
2008-02-12 06:59 < Harland> ')
2008-02-12 06:59 < Harland> :)
2008-02-12 06:59 < Messedrocker> hi alkiseltzer
2008-02-12 07:03 < NotACow> DEATH! DEATH! DEATH!
2008-02-12 07:05 < Harland> LIFE!
2008-02-12 07:06 < Messedrocker> WREATH!
2008-02-12 07:06 < NotACow> LEMONS!
2008-02-12 07:06 < Messedrocker> PHP!
2008-02-12 07:07 < dungodung> BLIMP
2008-02-12 07:07 < Harland> ORANGES!
2008-02-12 07:07 < NotACow> GARBONZO
2008-02-12 07:07 < Warpath> CAKES
2008-02-12 07:07 < NotACow> BLUENESS
2008-02-12 07:08 < arcimboldo_> 図書館
2008-02-12 07:08 < Messedrocker> ªº¨ªº£∆®
2008-02-12 07:11 < Messedrocker> hello there
2008-02-12 07:14 < dungodung> hi james
2008-02-12 07:16 < Messedrocker> i feel loved:
2008-02-12 07:16 < Messedrocker> http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=14788
2008-02-12 07:17 < Aqwis2> haha
2008-02-12 07:19 < NotACow> THE INEFFABILITY OF SAUSAGE
2008-02-12 07:19 * NotACow heads for work
2008-02-12 07:21 < Messedrocker> a whole thread about me
2008-02-12 07:21 < Messedrocker> brandished with my name
2008-02-12 07:21 < Messedrocker> and the nice caption "another dmessisillusioned lackey"
2008-02-12 07:21 < Messedrocker> <3
2008-02-12 07:27 < Harland> bye
2008-02-12 07:29 < Dtobias> bye, bye miss american pie
2008-02-12 07:30 < Warpath> yes mr Tobias ;)
2008-02-12 08:33 * brown_cat rolls into a ball
2008-02-12 08:36 * NameAlreadyInUse balls into a roll
2008-02-12 08:41 < TheWeasel> Some sausages are highly effable.
2008-02-12 08:41 * TheWeasel effs sausages every other day
2008-02-12 08:46 < bumm13> TheWeasel - :o
2008-02-12 08:47 < TheWeasel> What do you effing want?
2008-02-12 08:47 * bumm13 eggs TheWeasel
2008-02-12 08:47 < bumm13> :-)
2008-02-12 08:47 < TheWeasel> Oh, pun was unintended there.
2008-02-12 08:47 < TheWeasel> I don't know what the actual verb "to eff" means
2008-02-12 08:48 < bumm13> an actual verb?
2008-02-12 08:48 < bumm13> that's news to me
2008-02-12 08:48 < TheWeasel> well, if someone is ineffable, something must be able to be effed
2008-02-12 08:48 * brown_cat eggs bumm13
2008-02-12 08:48 < bumm13> haha
2008-02-12 08:49 < TheWeasel> First attested in 1450. From Middle French ineffable from Latin ineffābilis < in- (“‘not’”) + effābilis (“‘utterable’”) < efferō (“‘utter’”).
2008-02-12 08:49 < TheWeasel> efferre
2008-02-12 08:49 < TheWeasel> "to drag out of"
2008-02-12 08:49 < bumm13> I doubt "to eff" ever really entered the English language
2008-02-12 08:50 < bumm13> EFF - Electronic Frontier Foundation
2008-02-12 08:50 < TheWeasel> "that which cannot be expressed"
2008-02-12 08:50 < TheWeasel> so yea
2008-02-12 08:50 < TheWeasel> woohoo
2008-02-12 08:50 < bumm13> it's only considered a verb in the perjorative sense
2008-02-12 08:51 < bumm13> (which you already know about)
2008-02-12 08:51 < bumm13> "utter" sounds so much better than "eff", anyway ;)
2008-02-12 08:52 < TheWeasel> "eff" would be bit of an abbreviation anyway
2008-02-12 08:52 * bumm13 motions the High English-Language Council in Oxford to remove "ineffable" from the language
2008-02-12 08:52 < bumm13> yeah
2008-02-12 08:52 < TheWeasel> efferre = "to pull out of"
2008-02-12 08:53 < bumm13> oddly enough, sounds related to perjorative "eff" ;)
2008-02-12 08:53 < TheWeasel> heh
2008-02-12 08:54 < TheWeasel> ferre has the weirdest conjugation of any Latin verb
2008-02-12 08:54 < bumm13> so would "inefferrable" mean "to be unable to pull out of"?
2008-02-12 08:54 < bumm13> :o
2008-02-12 08:54 < TheWeasel> efferre, extuli, ellatus
2008-02-12 08:54 * brown_cat jumps off TheWeasel
2008-02-12 08:54 * brown_cat goes to get pants
2008-02-12 08:54 < TheWeasel> no
2008-02-12 08:54 < TheWeasel> "to be unable to be pulled out of"
2008-02-12 08:55 < bumm13> close :p
2008-02-12 08:55 < TheWeasel> or "to be impossible to pull out of"
2008-02-12 08:55 < bumm13> right
2008-02-12 08:55 < TheWeasel> or "stuck"
2008-02-12 08:55 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-12 08:55 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-12 08:55 * bumm13 waits for one of his packages to arrive (in about 4 hours)
2008-02-12 08:57 < TheWeasel> Now the word "uninferrable"...
2008-02-12 08:57 < TheWeasel> Jk.
2008-02-12 09:00 * bumm13 gargles some Mountain Dew
2008-02-12 09:00 < TheWeasel> Blood doping for editing Wikipedia
2008-02-12 09:00 < bumm13> \o/
2008-02-12 09:01 * brown_cat drinks some of bumm13's mountain Dew
2008-02-12 09:01 * brown_cat goes to bed
2008-02-12 09:01 * brown_cat_nap waves to everyone
2008-02-12 09:02 < TheWeasel> *Buddy Holly - Tell Me How (1958)
2008-02-12 09:03 < Sfan00> Hmm when will people learn that linking to warez sites is unwiki
2008-02-12 09:03 < Sfan00> ?
2008-02-12 09:03 < Sfan00> Currently removing a load of hotu links
2008-02-12 09:04 < TheWeasel> it's not unwiki
2008-02-12 09:04 < TheWeasel> it depends on the content that's linked to
2008-02-12 09:04 < TheWeasel> there isn't a general ban
2008-02-12 09:04 < Sfan00> HTOU is a site that continues to host warez
2008-02-12 09:04 < Sfan00> I am delinking it
2008-02-12 09:05 < TheWeasel> Do the links lead to warez pages?
2008-02-12 09:05 < TheWeasel> not just sites but pages?
2008-02-12 09:05 < TheWeasel> oh, never mind I guess.
2008-02-12 09:06 < Sfan00> A lot of the links were direct links to download pages with questionable items
2008-02-12 09:06 < Sfan00> (And Yes I am aware some of the items on Hotu are legal)
2008-02-12 09:07 < TheWeasel> What's questionable?
2008-02-12 09:07 < TheWeasel> "questionable" is a rubber term
2008-02-12 09:07 < TheWeasel> things are illegal or not.
2008-02-12 09:07 < Sfan00> Obvisuly commerical games that don't appear to have permission to be hosted on Hotu
2008-02-12 09:08 < TheWeasel> Alright.
2008-02-12 09:10 < TheWeasel> just make sure that the use and the abuse are close enough to justify removal
2008-02-12 09:10 < Sfan00> I do ;)
2008-02-12 09:10 < Sfan00> In many cases the Hotu information is duplicated in a sfare MobyGames link
2008-02-12 09:10 < TheWeasel> right
2008-02-12 09:11 < TheWeasel> 'cause abusus non tollit usum.
2008-02-12 09:12 < Sfan00> In any case HOTU needs to clean up it's act like other archive sites have
2008-02-12 09:12 < Sfan00> And actively seek out permissions
2008-02-12 09:12 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-12 09:12 < TheWeasel> We're not in the business of pedagogy.
2008-02-12 09:12 < Sfan00> World Of Spectrum's been very succesful
2008-02-12 09:12 < TheWeasel> we're running our own site
2008-02-12 09:12 < Sfan00> Indeed
2008-02-12 09:12 < Sfan00> but linking to a site that hosts Warez isn't wiki
2008-02-12 09:12 < Sfan00> At least that's my view
2008-02-12 09:13 < TheWeasel> make sure you don't let "let's teach em a lesson" get into that
2008-02-12 09:13 < Sfan00> I don't
2008-02-12 09:13 < TheWeasel> But the illegal things that are linked to have to have to do with the article.
2008-02-12 09:13 < TheWeasel> to justify removal
2008-02-12 09:14 < TheWeasel> unrelated stuff always happens
2008-02-12 09:14 < TheWeasel> most of the time, those links won't help the article anyway
2008-02-12 09:16 < Sfan00> As I said the infromation's often duplicated
2008-02-12 09:16 < Sfan00> in a a link that doesn't host a warezed copy of the original 'commerical' game concerned
2008-02-12 09:16 < TheWeasel> right, what I said
2008-02-12 09:17 < TheWeasel> if the abuse on the linked-to site is on-topic, then the link should be deleted
2008-02-12 09:26 * bumm13 is amazed that "Apple II" was not listed as one of the platforms for [[Oil's Well]]
2008-02-12 09:26 < bumm13> :x
2008-02-12 09:31 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-12 09:39 < Magnifier> Hi
2008-02-12 09:42 < bumm13> hi
2008-02-12 09:45 < Leslie_S> lol, looking up classes at my school on the internet...one is listed as being in S-116. the S-wing is ....the security office.
2008-02-12 09:53 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-12 09:59 < Zenwhat> Could somebody here help this user?
2008-02-12 09:59 < Zenwhat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Helpme.21
2008-02-12 10:02 < Faroframkallande> Hi Zenwhat
2008-02-12 10:02 < Zenwhat> Hello IRC account that was just created to harrass me.
2008-02-12 10:02 < Zenwhat> How are you doing today and what is it you want?
2008-02-12 10:02 < Faroframkallande> for the record, I don't hate you
2008-02-12 10:05 < Sfan00> OK HOTU links cleaned out of article space in enwiki :)
2008-02-12 10:06 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 pm.
2008-02-12 10:07 < Sfan00> Leslie_S: OK
2008-02-12 10:11 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-02-12 10:21 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-12 10:21 < NotACow> BEWARE THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT PANDA
2008-02-12 10:24 * Faroframkallande inserts a random "death to" statement here
2008-02-12 10:32 < Zenwhat> Death to Wikipedia.
2008-02-12 10:33 < quanticle> Death to IRC
2008-02-12 10:33 < Zenwhat> Death to DEATH!
2008-02-12 10:35 < quanticle> Man, its boring in here today.
2008-02-12 10:35 < Zenwhat> Death to boredom!
2008-02-12 10:35 < Elisson> Bored to death!
2008-02-12 10:36 < eth01> afternoon people
2008-02-12 10:38 * bumm13 unbores the channel
2008-02-12 10:38 * quanticle unbores bumm13
2008-02-12 10:38 < bumm13> yay!
2008-02-12 10:39 < Mike5> is this title NPOV? http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Tortured_Guantanamo_detainees_face_death_penalty
2008-02-12 10:40 < quanticle> Mike5: I can tell its not just from the title.
2008-02-12 10:40 < bumm13> indeed it isn't
2008-02-12 10:40 < Mike5> that's what i was asking about :)
2008-02-12 10:40 < quanticle> Mike5: According to the administration, the treatment of the prisoners was not torture.
2008-02-12 10:44 < TheWeasel_> "tortured" can't be replaced NPOV
2008-02-12 10:44 < Faroframkallande> Mike5: yeah, remove "tortured"
2008-02-12 10:44 < Faroframkallande> just leave "Guantanamo detainees face death penalty"
2008-02-12 10:45 < TheWeasel> Just don't use the word "controversial"
2008-02-12 10:45 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-02-12 10:47 < katpatuka> hi folks - an admin from uz.wiki said that uz.wiki is banned in Uzbekistan...
2008-02-12 10:47 < Sfan00> For what reason?
2008-02-12 10:48 < katpatuka> I could not ask him because he's offline now
2008-02-12 10:49 < TheWeasel> We tend to get banned for NPOV in these countries.
2008-02-12 10:51 < TheWeasel> not being sufficiently pro-X
2008-02-12 10:51 < TheWeasel> *insert variously Islam, the country itself, its politicians, church leaders, morals, etc.
2008-02-12 10:52 < katpatuka> I wait for an answer... he said he uses a proxy but he is not in every day...
2008-02-12 10:52 < TheWeasel> alright
2008-02-12 10:52 < TheWeasel> keep us up to date :-)
2008-02-12 10:52 < katpatuka> ok
2008-02-12 10:53 < TheWeasel> Many people are scared of neutrality.
2008-02-12 10:53 < TheWeasel> oh nice
2008-02-12 10:53 < TheWeasel> from the Constitutional Court, 2003
2008-02-12 10:54 < katpatuka> in Turkey the same: if they can't stand the content they block youtube or wordpress.com...
2008-02-12 10:54 < NotACow> DEATH TO NEUTRALITY
2008-02-12 10:55 < TheWeasel> "Extradition is also acceptable to a state in which torture is a frequently used means of interrogation, if an extradition treaty has been set up which stipulates that torture will not be used."
2008-02-12 10:55 < NotACow> neutrality is a little bird, chirping in a meadow full of smelly flowers.
2008-02-12 10:55 < NotACow> TheWeasel: that statement expresses a value statement.
2008-02-12 10:55 < TheWeasel> Turkmenistan is officially neutral
2008-02-12 10:55 < TheWeasel> Nuff sed.
2008-02-12 10:56 < TheWeasel> "The same is true for a country in which a majority of prisoners serve under inhumane conditions"
2008-02-12 10:56 < TheWeasel> Pacta sunt servanda, bitches.
2008-02-12 11:00 < Sfan00> In otherwords "If Mustphas says we wont use the elctrodes we trust him.."
2008-02-12 11:01 < Sfan00> *Mustapha
2008-02-12 11:01 < Sfan00> *he
2008-02-12 11:01 < TheWeasel> it's a touching faith in the notion of what's right over what's convenient.
2008-02-12 11:01 < TheWeasel> *the superiority
2008-02-12 11:03 < TheWeasel> This one was about India which has been known for highly creative interrogations but you could do a lot worse, I guess
2008-02-12 11:04 < TheWeasel> Equatorial Guinea in the 1970s was worse.
2008-02-12 11:04 < TheWeasel> or Cambodia
2008-02-12 11:05 < TheWeasel> it's a radical case of "giving our police officers the tools they need to keep us safe"
2008-02-12 11:06 < Harland> a
2008-02-12 11:06 < TheWeasel> b
2008-02-12 11:06 < Harland> c
2008-02-12 11:07 < TheWeasel> I shall go get sumpn edible now.
2008-02-12 11:07 < Harland> fooooooooood!
2008-02-12 11:07 < TheWeasel> Fewd.
2008-02-12 11:07 < TheWeasel> Family Food
2008-02-12 11:07 < Harland> fast food
2008-02-12 11:07 < Harland> ugh
2008-02-12 11:08 * TheWeasel loves Family Feud
2008-02-12 11:08 < TheWeasel> "Name a yellow-and-black insect!" "Giraffe."
2008-02-12 11:08 < Harland> hates fast food
2008-02-12 11:08 < TheWeasel> What about slow food?
2008-02-12 11:08 < Harland> stick insect
2008-02-12 11:08 < Harland> medium food
2008-02-12 11:10 * TheWeasel watches the Very Worst of German Family Feud
2008-02-12 11:10 < TheWeasel> it
2008-02-12 11:10 < TheWeasel> is sumpn hilarious
2008-02-12 11:11 < TheWeasel> "name something with whose help one can swim!" "A duck!"
2008-02-12 11:12 < Harland> a tortoise, more like
2008-02-12 11:13 < TheWeasel> "Our Little Farm or Smoking Guns?" "Our Smoking Farm"
2008-02-12 11:13 < kenlyric> very small rocks?
2008-02-12 11:14 < TheWeasel> "Name something one beats!" "A child."
2008-02-12 11:15 < TheWeasel> "name a profession which the murderer in whodunnits frequently has." "Perpetrator."
2008-02-12 11:16 < TheWeasel> "A Spanish male name!" "Sepp."
2008-02-12 11:16 < NotACow> sepp?
2008-02-12 11:16 < NotACow> that's like norwegian, no?
2008-02-12 11:16 < TheWeasel> Bavarian
2008-02-12 11:16 < TheWeasel> and Austrian
2008-02-12 11:16 < TheWeasel> short for Josef
2008-02-12 11:16 < Loooooooong_Cat> TheWeasel!!!!!!!
2008-02-12 11:17 < TheWeasel> This room is too short for the both of us :-P
2008-02-12 11:17 * Loooooooong_Cat is looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
2008-02-12 11:18 < TheWeasel> "name an animal with six legs." "Centipede."
2008-02-12 11:18 < Loooooooong_Cat> ^=o.o=^-==x===============================================================================================================================================================================x=--
2008-02-12 11:19 < TheWeasel> And we haven't even talked about the tail there.
2008-02-12 11:20 < TheWeasel> Coming to think of it, let's not, anyway
2008-02-12 11:20 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-02-12 11:25 < NopaTop> any wiki vandals about?
2008-02-12 11:25 < NopaTop> good ones?
2008-02-12 11:25 < NopaTop> i want to do TV interview with one
2008-02-12 11:25 < Harland> Can I be a vandal then?
2008-02-12 11:25 * Loooooooong_Cat is a prolific vandal
2008-02-12 11:26 < NopaTop> if you are a good vandal, and have had a 3rd party document anything you've wrecked in the past
2008-02-12 11:27 < Loooooooong_Cat> NopaTop - I'm actually joking. If you want to find actual vandals, you can start with the GNAA
2008-02-12 11:27 < Loooooooong_Cat> they gave us quite a bit of trouble a while back
2008-02-12 11:27 < NopaTop> basically its a 20 min minidocumentary, about schoolkids using wiki
2008-02-12 11:28 < NopaTop> excuse my ignorance what is gnaa?
2008-02-12 11:29 < Ceiling_Cat> The "Gay Nigger Association of America"
2008-02-12 11:29 < Ceiling_Cat> it's basically an organized trolling forum
2008-02-12 11:30 < Ceiling_Cat> (their wikipedia article went through a record 18 deletion nominations before being deleted.)
2008-02-12 11:30 < Faroframkallande> omg Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-12 11:30 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.gnaa.us/
2008-02-12 11:30 < NopaTop> Ceiling_Cat they fight censorship or something?
2008-02-12 11:30 < Ceiling_Cat> that's their webpage
2008-02-12 11:30 < Ceiling_Cat> NopaTop - no, they're just assholes out to cause trouble for others
2008-02-12 11:30 < Ceiling_Cat> they don't have an organized purpose.
2008-02-12 11:30 < NotASpy> it's probably best not to click one of their links either.
2008-02-12 11:31 < NopaTop> i'd love to interview willy on wheels though
2008-02-12 11:31 < Harland> Agreed it isn't
2008-02-12 11:31 < NopaTop> anyone have his email?
2008-02-12 11:31 < Harland> If you can find him...
2008-02-12 11:32 < AppleBoy> aaaaaaahhhhh the scientology protests are crazy! 10,000 people worldwide
2008-02-12 11:32 < Ceiling_Cat> NopaTop - supposedly, the real one emailed wiki-en in october to say that he was no longer going to vandalize
2008-02-12 11:32 < Ceiling_Cat> he explained that wikipedia had recently prevented him from failing some school assignment
2008-02-12 11:32 < Ceiling_Cat> and he felt bad for all the vandalism
2008-02-12 11:32 < NopaTop> Ceiling_Cat i read that
2008-02-12 11:32 < Harland> of course
2008-02-12 11:33 < Ceiling_Cat> NopaTop - well, reply to his email :)
2008-02-12 11:33 < NopaTop> but it would be interesting how he felt, about vandalism causing people to FAIL exams
2008-02-12 11:34 < NopaTop> are any vandals here? i mean good prolific entertaining ones? not some spotty faced 15 yearold who deletes an article and things its funny
2008-02-12 11:35 < NopaTop> thinks
2008-02-12 11:35 * bumm13 remember when the real WoW first struck
2008-02-12 11:35 < bumm13> :x
2008-02-12 11:35 < NopaTop> would this GNAA be worth interviewing, they seems to have been quite active on many fronts
2008-02-12 11:36 < bumm13> no
2008-02-12 11:36 < NotASpy> hell no.
2008-02-12 11:37 * NotACow has considered setting up a program vandal but is too lazy to do it
2008-02-12 11:38 * White_Cat remebers when bumm13 first remembered when WoW first struct
2008-02-12 11:38 < White_Cat> NopaTop well
2008-02-12 11:38 < White_Cat> if you do you may actualy create a secondary source to restore the GNAA article :)
2008-02-12 11:40 < NopaTop> White_Cat what do you mean?
2008-02-12 11:41 < White_Cat> ...
2008-02-12 11:41 < White_Cat> you know nothing about GNAA right?
2008-02-12 11:41 < White_Cat> :)
2008-02-12 11:42 < NopaTop> nope nothing
2008-02-12 11:42 < NopaTop> i did not even know wiki could be vandalized till the other day
2008-02-12 11:42 < NopaTop> thats the whole point of the project
2008-02-12 11:42 < White_Cat> well
2008-02-12 11:42 < White_Cat> the less you know the better :)
2008-02-12 11:42 < White_Cat> they are no one remarkable
2008-02-12 11:43 < NopaTop> most people don't realise that wiki is prone to vandilizim
2008-02-12 11:43 < White_Cat> wiki isnt prone to vandalism
2008-02-12 11:43 < White_Cat> think of it this way
2008-02-12 11:43 < White_Cat> say I design a restourant
2008-02-12 11:43 < Cyrius> we aren't kidding when it says "edit this page"
2008-02-12 11:43 < White_Cat> and in this restourant I want to serve steak
2008-02-12 11:43 < bumm13> steal this wiki
2008-02-12 11:43 < NopaTop> White_Cat i have interviewed 5 students who sourced incorrect info from wiki
2008-02-12 11:44 < White_Cat> now in order to eat steak you need a knife
2008-02-12 11:44 < White_Cat> a sharp steak knife
2008-02-12 11:44 < NopaTop> no you can pick it up from plate and eat it
2008-02-12 11:44 < White_Cat> we also know some people stab each other
2008-02-12 11:44 < White_Cat> so we put people in cages while they eat
2008-02-12 11:45 < White_Cat> obviously this is ridiclous
2008-02-12 11:45 < NopaTop> bad analogy
2008-02-12 11:45 < White_Cat> but we generaly trust people around us
2008-02-12 11:45 < NopaTop> chop the steak into little pieces before serving it then?
2008-02-12 11:45 < White_Cat> enough to dine in the same room with them even though they can stab us
2008-02-12 11:45 < Cyrius> then all the juices drip out
2008-02-12 11:46 < White_Cat> same logic applies to the web an wikipedia
2008-02-12 11:46 < White_Cat> in general people want to help build a beter encyclopedia
2008-02-12 11:46 < NopaTop> Cyrius saves having a customers juices dripping out
2008-02-12 11:46 < Cyrius> or, you know, people could just not stab each other
2008-02-12 11:46 < White_Cat> not everyone
2008-02-12 11:46 < White_Cat> wikipedia is an incomplete project
2008-02-12 11:46 < NopaTop> White_Cat yes yes, but the fact it it gets vandalized 10000's of time perday
2008-02-12 11:47 < White_Cat> NopaTop of which most of that gets reverted within 5 minutes
2008-02-12 11:47 < Cyrius> it's a lot easier to revert wikipedia vandalism than fix a stab wound
2008-02-12 11:47 < NopaTop> if you are unfortunate enough to use incorect info from wiki due to a vandal what then?
2008-02-12 11:48 < NopaTop> before the revert?
2008-02-12 11:48 < bumm13> use WP with caution
2008-02-12 11:48 < Cyrius> then you've learned a valuable lesson about placing too much trust in a single source
2008-02-12 11:48 < White_Cat> furthermore wikipedia and britanica have pretty much common number of errors
2008-02-12 11:48 < Aqwis> WOW WIKIPEDIA CAN BE UNRELIABLE.
2008-02-12 11:48 < bumm13> indeed
2008-02-12 11:48 < NopaTop> bumm13 thats what my documentary is about
2008-02-12 11:48 < Cyrius> ...documentary?
2008-02-12 11:48 < NopaTop> HIGHLIGHTING this fact
2008-02-12 11:48 < White_Cat> NopaTop even britanica contains factualy incorrect info
2008-02-12 11:48 < bumm13> not *that* much caution :-p
2008-02-12 11:48 < White_Cat> cnn often has false news
2008-02-12 11:48 < White_Cat> they have a legal disclaimer to cover this
2008-02-12 11:49 < Cyrius> you want to make a documentary, and you didn't even know the most basic of facts about the subject?
2008-02-12 11:49 < bumm13> I think the notion that WP is full of utter nonsense "facts" is silly
2008-02-12 11:49 < NopaTop> White_Cat yes yes, i'm not doing a documentary on them
2008-02-12 11:49 < White_Cat> NopaTop for example your documentary may be full of inacurate info ;)
2008-02-12 11:49 < NopaTop> Cyrius correct, the company wants to do this, not me specifically
2008-02-12 11:50 < White_Cat> wikipedia should not be used as a primary source :)
2008-02-12 11:50 < Cyrius> most media reports about Wikipedia are horrendously awful for factual information
2008-02-12 11:50 < NopaTop> i want to get a vandals perspective though
2008-02-12 11:50 < bumm13> real journalism barely exists anymore
2008-02-12 11:50 < NopaTop> what drives them etc
2008-02-12 11:50 < bumm13> lol
2008-02-12 11:50 < White_Cat> NopaTop the media thout CIA infiltrated wikipedia when a few CIA employees edited wikipedia from government computers
2008-02-12 11:50 < Cyrius> most vandals are just bored middle school students
2008-02-12 11:50 < White_Cat> edit this button lets everyone freely alter content
2008-02-12 11:51 < White_Cat> most vandals are not a problem
2008-02-12 11:51 < Cyrius> there's no drive, they're just testing boundaries
2008-02-12 11:51 < White_Cat> NopaTop its actualy not vandalism
2008-02-12 11:51 < NopaTop> Cyrius i want to find a good one though, not some spoty 15 year old
2008-02-12 11:51 < Cyrius> then get bored and go somewhere else
2008-02-12 11:51 < White_Cat> people try to test what they can do
2008-02-12 11:51 < bumm13> a "good" one?
2008-02-12 11:51 < Cyrius> there aren't many that are actually persistent
2008-02-12 11:51 < NopaTop> bumm13 like WoWs
2008-02-12 11:51 < White_Cat> they edit and see that they can edit
2008-02-12 11:51 < Cyrius> it's too easy to vandalize to be interesting =)
2008-02-12 11:52 < bumm13> you can't verify the real-life identities of such people
2008-02-12 11:52 < bumm13> so it's kind of pointless
2008-02-12 11:52 < White_Cat> WoW was not a persistant vandal that tried to intoduce factualy incorrect info
2008-02-12 11:52 < Cyrius> bumm13: if we could, we could take..."measures"
2008-02-12 11:52 < White_Cat> he merely mass moved pages or mass blanked pages
2008-02-12 11:52 < Harland> vandals are not the point of wikipedia people often miss the fact that the vandals are an annoying sideshow to the point of 'the free encyclopedia'
2008-02-12 11:52 < Cyrius> White_Cat: he doesn't know anything, I think he meant World of Warcraft, not Willy on Wheels
2008-02-12 11:52 < Harland> lol
2008-02-12 11:52 < White_Cat> NopaTop you can see this as a high schol class
2008-02-12 11:53 < White_Cat> 1 or 2 students are bully and all they do is cause mayhem
2008-02-12 11:53 < Ceiling_Cat> "Of course the Gentoo users are off recompiling there whole system for the extra performance. It's what they do - why use your computer when you can make it .242% faster with only 15 hours of compiling?"
2008-02-12 11:53 * Ceiling_Cat lulz
2008-02-12 11:53 < White_Cat> while the rest try to do something prductive
2008-02-12 11:53 < Cyrius> and there's an extremely rare incidence of fucking nuts who want to kill everyone
2008-02-12 11:53 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat heh
2008-02-12 11:53 < Harland> the productive ones always have won. Or we would all not be here there would be no wikipedia
2008-02-12 11:53 < White_Cat> Cyrius mmm nuts! :D
2008-02-12 11:54 < White_Cat> NopaTop there is an effort to crate a stable version of wikipedia
2008-02-12 11:54 < White_Cat> such as veropedia
2008-02-12 11:54 < Harland> not veropedia!
2008-02-12 11:54 < White_Cat> or the cd version of wikipedia
2008-02-12 11:54 < White_Cat> wikipedia 1.0
2008-02-12 11:54 < bumm13> Ceiling_Cat: Gentoo users rarely get laid
2008-02-12 11:54 < White_Cat> these are seperate projects
2008-02-12 11:55 < White_Cat> wikipedia is intended to be the workshop
2008-02-12 11:55 < Sfan00> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-xHw9zcCvRQ- The guy behind it's either a genius or a whacko :)
2008-02-12 11:55 < White_Cat> inperfect
2008-02-12 11:55 < Harland> I dislike veropedia intensly I'm afraid
2008-02-12 11:55 < White_Cat> Sfan00 a bit of both.
2008-02-12 11:55 < White_Cat> Harland dont be afraid
2008-02-12 11:55 < Harland> I'm not scared
2008-02-12 11:56 * Cyrius is still waiting for stable versions
2008-02-12 11:56 < Cyrius> or whatever it's being called this month
2008-02-12 11:57 < AppleBoy> so 200 people in london, 500 people in LA, anyone else go to any of the raids?
2008-02-12 11:58 < Harland> raids?
2008-02-12 11:58 < bumm13> hiya AppleBoy
2008-02-12 11:58 < Sfan00> AppleBoy: Why are you asking about 'clam-bashing' in here?
2008-02-12 11:58 < Sfan00> Wikipedia is NPOV
2008-02-12 11:59 < Cyrius> tries to be
2008-02-12 11:59 < AppleBoy> Sfan00: clam-bashing??
2008-02-12 11:59 < AppleBoy> hi bumm13
2008-02-12 11:59 < White_Cat> [2008-02-12 18:56:06] <Harland> I dislike veropedia intensly I'm afraid
2008-02-12 11:59 < AppleBoy> Harland: scientology protests
2008-02-12 11:59 < White_Cat> [2008-02-12 18:56:18] <White_Cat> Harland dont be afraid
2008-02-12 11:59 < White_Cat> [2008-02-12 18:56:40] <Harland> I'm not scared
2008-02-12 11:59 < Cyrius> AppleBoy: Sfan00 has got it in his head that protesting Scientology is unfair
2008-02-12 11:59 < bumm13> hahahahaha
2008-02-12 11:59 < AppleBoy> lol
2008-02-12 11:59 < Cyrius> or something like that
2008-02-12 11:59 < Sfan00> No
2008-02-12 12:00 * bumm13 gives Sfan00 a wedgie
2008-02-12 12:00 < Cyrius> AppleBoy: and you don't know about the clam connection?
2008-02-12 12:00 < Sfan00> It's that given NPOV Wikipedia might not be the best place to ask about it
2008-02-12 12:00 < White_Cat> hasnt scientology enterted US terror list yet?
2008-02-12 12:00 < AppleBoy> operation clambake?
2008-02-12 12:00 < White_Cat> operation apple peal
2008-02-12 12:00 < Sfan00> White_Cat: Why should it?
2008-02-12 12:00 < AppleBoy> Sfan00: #wikipedia != wikipedia.org
2008-02-12 12:00 < White_Cat> Sfan00 they are not christian heretics
2008-02-12 12:00 < White_Cat> isnt that enough?
2008-02-12 12:01 < Cyrius> AppleBoy: yes, but the reason it's called that =)
2008-02-12 12:01 < Sfan00> It's not as if CoS/OSA represents a clear threat to American values
2008-02-12 12:01 < Sfan00> Like extrmist islamist and malita groups do
2008-02-12 12:01 < AppleBoy> Sfan00: no, but it does represent a clear threat to the health of American citizens
2008-02-12 12:01 < Sfan00> Where's the evidence?
2008-02-12 12:01 < Cyrius> AppleBoy: http://xenu.net/clam_faq.html
2008-02-12 12:01 < Aqwis> i wish i cared about americans =(
2008-02-12 12:01 < White_Cat> Sfan00 we needed evidence?
2008-02-12 12:01 < AppleBoy> http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
2008-02-12 12:01 < Sfan00> (compared to the groups I mentioned)
2008-02-12 12:02 < Cyrius> Aqwis: how about germans?
2008-02-12 12:02 * bumm13 hits Aqwis over the head with a rubber mallet
2008-02-12 12:02 < White_Cat> remember how US entered iraq? Over pure suspicion and no evidence.
2008-02-12 12:02 < AppleBoy> Sfan00, you just got owned -_-
2008-02-12 12:02 < Aqwis> Cyrius, nah
2008-02-12 12:02 < Sfan00> Yeah, but Saddam had been in non-compliance for years
2008-02-12 12:02 < Sfan00> :0
2008-02-12 12:02 < Aqwis> not norwegians either for that matter
2008-02-12 12:02 < Sfan00> It's not as if CoS has been making WMD
2008-02-12 12:02 < White_Cat> Sfan00 when did scientology people complied?
2008-02-12 12:02 < bumm13> Aqwis: so just yourself? :-)
2008-02-12 12:03 < Sfan00> White_cat: Huh?
2008-02-12 12:03 < AppleBoy> Sfan00: nobody uses nukes these days anyway