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2008-02-11 20:54 < Red_Farmer> because he isn't notable
2008-02-11 20:54 < OverlordQ> I think if you follow some Common Sense you wont run foul of many rules
2008-02-11 20:54 < Red_Farmer> very true
2008-02-11 20:55 < Red_Farmer> he never even acknowledged the problems associated with creating an article about himself
2008-02-11 20:55 < Red_Farmer> he pretty much admitted he created it as an alternative to creating a campaign website
2008-02-11 20:58 < Red_Farmer> thanks for your help with that overlord
2008-02-11 20:58 < Red_Farmer> would it be inappropriate, were he to actually get into the race, to leak a link to that discussion to the press? lol
2008-02-11 20:58 < Red_Farmer> j/k
2008-02-11 20:58 < Cyrius> ha ha only serious
2008-02-11 20:59 < Red_Farmer> if he spazes out like that on Wikipedia I'd hate to imagine him in Congress
2008-02-11 20:59 < Red_Farmer> although he can't be too much worse than many of the people in there now
2008-02-11 21:02 < Mike_H> fun fact: Nine U.S. states hold their age of consent at the federal age, which is 18.
2008-02-11 21:03 < Mike_H> all other states' ages are either 16 or 17.
2008-02-11 21:03 < Ceiling_Cat> federal age of consent?
2008-02-11 21:03 < Ceiling_Cat> is there such a thing?
2008-02-11 21:03 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: the federal law, age of consent is 18.
2008-02-11 21:03 < Mike_H> Yeah, for federal employees, federal government workers
2008-02-11 21:03 < Mike_H> like military
2008-02-11 21:03 < Mike_H> things like that
2008-02-11 21:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Mike_H - *maybe* on federal grounds (like an overseas US military base)
2008-02-11 21:03 < Mike_H> that's what I'm talking about.
2008-02-11 21:04 < Ceiling_Cat> ah, ok
2008-02-11 21:04 < Xihix> Raul
2008-02-11 21:04 < Mike_H> the states decide their ages, and nine of them lock with the "federal" age
2008-02-11 21:04 < Xihix> would it be controversial if I nominated Xenu for March 15?
2008-02-11 21:04 < Xihix> or, requested...
2008-02-11 21:04 < Mike_H> Arizona, California, Florida, Idaho, North Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming
2008-02-11 21:05 < Ceiling_Cat> Xihix - Xenu has already been on the main page, IIRC
2008-02-11 21:05 < Xihix> Three years ago?
2008-02-11 21:05 < Xihix> can't it go on again?
2008-02-11 21:06 < Ceiling_Cat> we don't do repeats
2008-02-11 21:06 < Xihix> ... aw...
2008-02-11 21:06 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: you wasted lulz.
2008-02-11 21:06 < Xihix> Would have been a great date to have it, tbh.
2008-02-11 21:12 * Ceiling_Cat sentences Mike_H to one year of editing on Wikifur
2008-02-11 21:13 < Enterprise_Cat> What does IIRC stand for again?
2008-02-11 21:13 < Ceiling_Cat> If I recall correctly
2008-02-11 21:13 < Cyrius> if I recall correctly
2008-02-11 21:13 < Enterprise_Cat> aah
2008-02-11 21:13 < Xihix> Why are there so many cats? :(
2008-02-11 21:14 < Enterprise_Cat> Because cats are doubleplussgood!
2008-02-11 21:14 < Ceiling_Cat> Xihix has an anti-pussy bias
2008-02-11 21:15 < Newspeak_Cat> Cats are doubleplusgood!
2008-02-11 21:15 < Newspeak_Cat> Xihix commit thoughtcrime!
2008-02-11 21:15 < Xihix> Is the only cat thats not Raul White_Cat?
2008-02-11 21:16 < White_Cat> ?
2008-02-11 21:16 < Newspeak_Cat> [18:16:01] === User Loooooooong_Cat, (n=Raul654@c-76-99-199-38.hsd1.de.comcast.net) “Mark” (here), member of #wikipedia, is connected to <irc://irc.freenode.net/>, 0 hop(s).
2008-02-11 21:16 < Newspeak_Cat> === User Ceiling_Cat, (n=Raul654@wikipedia/Raul654) “Mark” (here), member of #wikipedia-ja, is connected to <irc://irc.freenode.net/>, 0 hop(s).
2008-02-11 21:16 * White_Cat is a raul now on
2008-02-11 21:16 < Newspeak_Cat> Those are the only rauls's on
2008-02-11 21:16 < Xihix> eh...
2008-02-11 21:16 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.thomashan.com/fun/fun_pics/long_cat_v.jpg
2008-02-11 21:16 * Loooooooong_Cat is loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
2008-02-11 21:16 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat I hereby designate myself as your sockpuppet
2008-02-11 21:16 < White_Cat> please verify with checkuser
2008-02-11 21:16 < Xihix> is that the shooped long cat?
2008-02-11 21:16 < Xihix> or the original?
2008-02-11 21:17 < White_Cat> forge evidence if necesary
2008-02-11 21:17 < Loooooooong_Cat> Xihix - that is a very good photoshop job
2008-02-11 21:17 < Loooooooong_Cat> they modified the japanese poster to make it look authentic
2008-02-11 21:17 < Xihix> Ah. How do they get so good?
2008-02-11 21:17 < Xihix> get it*
2008-02-11 21:23 < {Daniel}> can someone revert http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Corey_Worthington_%282nd_nomination%29&diff=next&oldid=190772418 please? I can't log in at this public PC. thanks :)
2008-02-11 21:23 < miranda> aww...:-(
2008-02-11 21:24 < Xihix> ugh
2008-02-11 21:24 < miranda> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FCorey_Worthington_%282nd_nomination%29&diff=190783410&oldid=190778145
2008-02-11 21:24 < Xihix> damn sinebot
2008-02-11 21:24 < {Daniel}> ah thanks
2008-02-11 21:24 < Warpath> but he is true ;)
2008-02-11 21:24 < {Daniel}> could someone whack an admin and get a full-p on that as well? thanks
2008-02-11 21:24 < Xihix> who was this corey fellow?
2008-02-11 21:24 < {Daniel}> "Per Daniel" if needed, I don't care
2008-02-11 21:24 < {Daniel}> http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,23195635-5014239,00.html
2008-02-11 21:25 < Warpath> {Daniel}, aren't you one of those whecked up ;) ?
2008-02-11 21:25 < {Daniel}> <--- that's where all the vandalism's coming from
2008-02-11 21:25 < {Daniel}> "I can't log in at this public PC."
2008-02-11 21:25 < Warpath> :D
2008-02-11 21:25 < {Daniel}> (someone could steal a public pc's ip address via whois, if they like)
2008-02-11 21:25 * Warpath knows your IP ..muhahahahaha :p
2008-02-11 21:26 < nokmar> !!
2008-02-11 21:26 < nokmar> you know my IP?
2008-02-11 21:26 < nokmar> tell me!
2008-02-11 21:26 < {Daniel}> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Corey_Worthington_%282nd_nomination%29&action=history *stab*
2008-02-11 21:27 < {Daniel}> TheLetterE: ping-fucking-ping
2008-02-11 21:27 * Enterprise_Cat notes that {Daniel}'s current IP is 58.160.170.183
2008-02-11 21:27 < {Daniel}> very good. *applause*
2008-02-11 21:27 < miranda> ah I am not an admin so I can't help you
2008-02-11 21:27 < miranda> you might want to try #wikipedia-en
2008-02-11 21:27 * {Daniel} cries. ircatwork may die soon.
2008-02-11 21:27 < miranda> where the admins are playing games
2008-02-11 21:28 < Warpath> wimt, can ;)
2008-02-11 21:29 * Ceiling_Cat steals {Daniel}'s innocence
2008-02-11 21:29 < wimt> I ddi what where?
2008-02-11 21:29 < wimt> *did
2008-02-11 21:29 * Ceiling_Cat gives it to miranda
2008-02-11 21:30 < Warpath> lol no admin wants too..what a bunch of losers :p
2008-02-11 21:30 < {Daniel}> *stabs*
2008-02-11 21:31 < Warpath> there is an easy way to piss this guy off..rename to [[Corey Delaney]] ;)
2008-02-11 21:31 < wimt> {Daniel}, done for 24 hours
2008-02-11 21:31 < {Daniel}> lol
2008-02-11 21:32 < {Daniel}> wimt: ok, thanks
2008-02-11 21:32 < {Daniel}> ill extend it to 1 year when I get home
2008-02-11 21:32 < Warpath> woo hoo wimt the mighty \o/
2008-02-11 21:32 < Enterprise_Cat> O_o
2008-02-11 21:32 < wimt> {Daniel}, yeah sure
2008-02-11 21:32 < wimt> :-)
2008-02-11 21:32 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat will you accept me as your officialy unoficial sockppupet?
2008-02-11 21:33 < Warpath> wimt, protect this too :)
2008-02-11 21:33 < Warpath> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Corey_Delaney&action=edit
2008-02-11 21:33 < {Daniel}> Warpath: PM Krimpet
2008-02-11 21:33 < {Daniel}> and get him to
2008-02-11 21:34 < Warpath> her O_O
2008-02-11 21:34 < Warpath> she left..battery low :(
2008-02-11 21:34 < {Daniel}> *stab*
2008-02-11 21:34 < {Daniel}> ok, signing in
2008-02-11 21:34 < Warpath> :O
2008-02-11 21:34 < {Daniel}> prepare for compromised account
2008-02-11 21:34 < Warpath> OMG :o
2008-02-11 21:34 * Warpath notes Ip diligently O_O
2008-02-11 21:35 < Enterprise_Cat> SALT!
2008-02-11 21:36 < {Daniel}> done
2008-02-11 21:36 < Warpath> yay \o/
2008-02-11 21:37 < Enterprise_Cat> How do you protect a deleted page, do you use SALT or a software process?
2008-02-11 21:37 < {Daniel}> software
2008-02-11 21:37 < {Daniel}> cya all
2008-02-11 21:37 < Enterprise_Cat> Oooh!
2008-02-11 21:38 < Enterprise_Cat> How do you salt through software?
2008-02-11 21:40 < Mark_Ryan> you can protect nonexistant pages now
2008-02-11 21:41 < Enterprise_Cat> huh
2008-02-11 21:41 < Enterprise_Cat> I am used to the way where you transclude it onto a page protected with cascading
2008-02-11 21:41 < Mark_Ryan> yeah, protection of nonexistant pages is a new thing
2008-02-11 21:44 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan imagine that
2008-02-11 21:44 * White_Cat protects non existant articles
2008-02-11 21:44 < White_Cat> :P
2008-02-11 21:45 * White_Cat protects non existant rfas
2008-02-11 21:45 < Mark_Ryan> White_Cat: I don't see the irony
2008-02-11 21:45 < White_Cat> oh there isnt none
2008-02-11 21:45 < zocky> how can you protect it if it doesn't exist? that's not natural!
2008-02-11 21:45 < White_Cat> but I had to dramatize it
2008-02-11 21:45 < zocky> it's devil's work, I tell you
2008-02-11 21:45 * Enterprise_Cat protects non existent AFDs and MFDs
2008-02-11 21:45 < Mark_Ryan> zocky, you go to its red link, and there's a 'protect' tab :P
2008-02-11 21:45 < White_Cat> zocky you practice the arts of heresy?
2008-02-11 21:47 < Xihix> Was that guy on Fox News right?
2008-02-11 21:47 < Xihix> Will Wikipedia eventually collapse on itself?
2008-02-11 21:47 < Mark_Ryan> probably
2008-02-11 21:47 < Xihix> Damn it.
2008-02-11 21:48 < Xihix> tee hee
2008-02-11 21:48 < Xihix> nipples
2008-02-11 21:51 < nipples> justice
2008-02-11 21:51 < Xihix> yay nipples!
2008-02-11 21:51 < Mark_Ryan> it's okay, I like nipples
2008-02-11 21:51 * FastLizard4|away is now away from keyboard, all messages logged
2008-02-11 21:52 < White_Cat> nipples are a sin
2008-02-11 21:52 < White_Cat> they must be exterminated
2008-02-11 21:52 < Ceiling_Cat> MARK RYAN!
2008-02-11 21:52 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles
2008-02-11 21:53 < Mark_Ryan> MARKY!
2008-02-11 21:53 < Loooooooong_Cat> :)
2008-02-11 21:54 < CJMiller> hi
2008-02-11 21:54 < Loooooooong_Cat> Hello CJMiller
2008-02-11 21:54 < CJMiller> long time no see (to quote the Chinese)
2008-02-11 21:55 < CJMiller> Is there a Web page that lists the road markings and BGSes (or equiv.) in Japan?
2008-02-11 21:56 < CJMiller> hello...?
2008-02-11 21:56 < Mark_Ryan> what is a BGS?
2008-02-11 21:56 < CJMiller> Big Green Sign
2008-02-11 21:57 < CJMiller> (one of the overhead signs on a freeway)
2008-02-11 21:57 < Loooooooong_Cat> It was No Free Lunch that prompted Dembski's Discovery Institute colleague Robert C. Koons deeming of Dembski the "Isaac Newton of information theory." Dembski's work, however, was strongly criticized within the scientific community, which argued that there were a number of major logical inconsistencies and evidential gaps in Dembski's hypothesis.
2008-02-11 21:57 < Loooooooong_Cat> Claude Shannon is rolling around in his grave
2008-02-11 21:57 < CJMiller> Loooooooong_Cat: What does that have to do with roads?
2008-02-11 21:57 < Mark_Ryan> CJMiller: how do you know Japanese freeway signs are green?
2008-02-11 21:57 < Mark_Ryan> wait, you said "or equiv." which makes my question redundant.
2008-02-11 21:58 < Ceiling_Cat> CJMiller - absolutely nothing.
2008-02-11 21:58 < Ceiling_Cat> I was not responding to your comment
2008-02-11 21:59 < Ceiling_Cat> I was pointing out that calling a crankpot like Dembski the "Isaac Newton of information theory." should cause the real father of information theory - Claude Shannon - to roll in his grave
2008-02-11 21:59 < Ceiling_Cat> crackpot*
2008-02-11 21:59 < Mark_Ryan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mumbai_Pune_Expressway.jpg -- this photo is cool
2008-02-11 22:00 < Ceiling_Cat> supposedly Shannon's masters thesis is the most important ever written
2008-02-11 22:00 < Messedrocker> how many people would you say often have access to computers but not so much the internet?
2008-02-11 22:01 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - in the developed world, not many
2008-02-11 22:01 < Ceiling_Cat> in the developing world, having a computer with no internet access is much more common
2008-02-11 22:02 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: How's the hole?
2008-02-11 22:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Lubaf - just hte rihgt size
2008-02-11 22:03 < zocky> roll roll your bod gently in the grave
2008-02-11 22:03 < Lubaf> What's new, by the by?
2008-02-11 22:03 < DragonFire1024> sorry
2008-02-11 22:04 < DragonFire1024> Jimbo would like Wikinews to try and rally up some pro Scientology questions for: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Story_preparation/Wikinews_interviews_Mark_Bunker%2C_producer_of_anti-Scientology_website_%27XenuTV%27
2008-02-11 22:04 < Lubaf> DragonFire1024: Not going to happen.
2008-02-11 22:04 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-02-11 22:04 < DragonFire1024> so if anyone has some interesting and or good questions....
2008-02-11 22:04 < Lubaf> What's Newark?
2008-02-11 22:04 < DragonFire1024> Lubaf: I *have* to try
2008-02-11 22:05 < Lubaf> DragonFire1024: Fair enough.
2008-02-11 22:05 < Travelers> hello
2008-02-11 22:05 < DragonFire1024> and there are only 3 Scientologists in the category on WP
2008-02-11 22:05 < zocky> pro-scientology questions?
2008-02-11 22:05 < DragonFire1024> for WP user cats
2008-02-11 22:05 < Messedrocker> Lubaf, a city in Delaware and in New Jersey
2008-02-11 22:05 < DragonFire1024> zocky: yes
2008-02-11 22:05 < zocky> "why is tom cruise so awesome?"
2008-02-11 22:05 < DragonFire1024> lol
2008-02-11 22:05 < Messedrocker> in Delaware it's new-ARK and in Jersey it's new-ERK
2008-02-11 22:06 < DragonFire1024> Jimbo said on wikinews-1 we have to make an effort
2008-02-11 22:06 < DragonFire1024> I don't know enough about CoS to ask any positive Q's
2008-02-11 22:06 < Messedrocker> "Does L. Ron Hubbard not kick ass?"
2008-02-11 22:06 * jeremyb wonders who has a test wiki i can play with... wgAllowCopyUploads must be on
2008-02-11 22:07 < Messedrocker> "Are your treatments AWESOME or WHAT?"
2008-02-11 22:07 < DragonFire1024> Messedrocker: Happy birthday to him on March 13
2008-02-11 22:07 < DragonFire1024> Anon protests on MArch 15
2008-02-11 22:07 < DragonFire1024> woohoo...at least it won't be 8 degrees F this time
2008-02-11 22:08 < DragonFire1024> anyways...LA Times picked up WN on the Anon article
2008-02-11 22:09 < Travelers> hey guys i need practic my english (bad english) who can help me?)
2008-02-11 22:09 < DragonFire1024> oh its you again
2008-02-11 22:10 < jeremyb> /lastlog Travelers 30
2008-02-11 22:10 < jeremyb> nothing
2008-02-11 22:10 < DragonFire1024> he frequents #wikinews
2008-02-11 22:10 < jeremyb> DragonFire1024: huh?
2008-02-11 22:10 < jeremyb> oh
2008-02-11 22:10 < DragonFire1024> about once a month or so
2008-02-11 22:11 < Travelers> no its not me again i connect to this server first time
2008-02-11 22:11 < DragonFire1024> tries to get us to help him with swearing
2008-02-11 22:11 < NotACow> bup
2008-02-11 22:11 < DragonFire1024> and BDCM
2008-02-11 22:11 < DragonFire1024> BDSM*
2008-02-11 22:11 < jeremyb> i don't think that quite qualifies as frequents
2008-02-11 22:11 < jeremyb> haha
2008-02-11 22:12 < zocky> DragonFire1024, how about "can I have a brainslug, please?"
2008-02-11 22:12 < DragonFire1024> of course he is usually Travelers 1, 2, 3, etc
2008-02-11 22:12 < Travelers> so can smb help me?
2008-02-11 22:12 < jeremyb> DragonFire1024: i think it's singular by default
2008-02-11 22:12 < Messedrocker> Travelers, super mario brothers?
2008-02-11 22:12 < DragonFire1024> heh
2008-02-11 22:13 < Travelers> =\
2008-02-11 22:13 < Travelers> im realy ask about help...
2008-02-11 22:14 < DragonFire1024> I iz seriuz
2008-02-11 22:14 < DragonFire1024> Thiz iz seriuz biznez
2008-02-11 22:14 < zocky> hmmm.... terrorists on trial, chinese spies uncovered... must be election year
2008-02-11 22:15 < NotACow> zocky: elections? where?
2008-02-11 22:15 < DragonFire1024> zocky: wait til they pull out th "big dresses"
2008-02-11 22:15 < jeremyb> zocky: heh
2008-02-11 22:15 < DragonFire1024> NotACow Dec for WMF :)
2008-02-11 22:15 < DragonFire1024> Nov for USA
2008-02-11 22:16 < zocky> btw, .WMF is a horrible acronym
2008-02-11 22:17 < DragonFire1024> WMF=WTF? ;)
2008-02-11 22:17 < zocky> WMF = windows meta file
2008-02-11 22:17 < DragonFire1024> ah true
2008-02-11 22:17 < DragonFire1024> hmmm
2008-02-11 22:17 < zocky> the most broken vector format EVAH
2008-02-11 22:17 < DragonFire1024> tough one there
2008-02-11 22:17 < DragonFire1024> H A V E
2008-02-11 22:18 < CJMiller> I now officially reinstate teh question:
2008-02-11 22:18 < CJMiller> Is there a Web page that lists the road markings and freeway signs in Japan?
2008-02-11 22:18 < Messedrocker> oooh, this song is a different key
2008-02-11 22:19 * Loooooooong_Cat huggles Messedrocker
2008-02-11 22:19 < zocky> CJMiller, try http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/2060/rdsign1.html
2008-02-11 22:19 < Messedrocker> Loooooooong_Cat, "Spin Doctors" by Wesley Willis
2008-02-11 22:19 < CJMiller> zocky: Thx.
2008-02-11 22:20 < CJMiller> Mark_Ryan: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:EhokuJCT.JPG
2008-02-11 22:20 < zocky> "ROAD CLOSED FOR VEHICLES CARRYING EXPLOSIVES"
2008-02-11 22:20 < CJMiller> zocky: Might be a non-sturdy road.
2008-02-11 22:21 < Ceiling_Cat> AHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-02-11 22:21 * Ceiling_Cat found the smoking gun
2008-02-11 22:21 < Ceiling_Cat> Damn I am so fucking good
2008-02-11 22:21 < Ceiling_Cat> :)
2008-02-11 22:21 * CJMiller says "What the hell are you talking about?"
2008-02-11 22:21 < Messedrocker> THE SHOW WAS BURNING A MONKEY'S ASS UP
2008-02-11 22:21 * CJMiller says "What show?"
2008-02-11 22:22 < Messedrocker> the song "Lotion" by Wesley Willis
2008-02-11 22:22 < Ceiling_Cat> VacuousPoet claims he is not Ken Demeyer of Buffalo New York (aka, Kdbuffalo - very, very well known anti-evolution nutcase)
2008-02-11 22:22 * CJMiller says ?
2008-02-11 22:22 < CJMiller> Kdbuffalo is a major nutcase.
2008-02-11 22:22 < Ceiling_Cat> I have found the smoking gun that proves him wrong
2008-02-11 22:22 < CJMiller> On what?
2008-02-11 22:22 < zocky> in fact it was a little bit frightening
2008-02-11 22:23 < CJMiller> Ohhh... VacuousPoet = sock puppet?
2008-02-11 22:23 < CJMiller> Ceiling_Cat: "This user is a sock puppet of Kdbuffalo, and has been blocked indefinitely."
2008-02-11 22:23 < CJMiller> Too late.
2008-02-11 22:23 < CJMiller> Hello roland-home!
2008-02-11 22:25 < CJMiller> Is there a cabal?
2008-02-11 22:25 < Ceiling_Cat> CJMiller - he was claiming that there was a misidentification
2008-02-11 22:26 < CJMiller> Who?
2008-02-11 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> VacuousPoet
2008-02-11 22:26 < CJMiller> Ah.
2008-02-11 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> conviently, he was identified as a kdbuffalo sock a year ago, so the checkuser info would have expired out
2008-02-11 22:26 < The359> do you want there to be a cabal?
2008-02-11 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> I suspect that was intentional
2008-02-11 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> anyway, I went digging and nailed him anyway
2008-02-11 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> because I'm good :)
2008-02-11 22:26 < CJMiller> If they make me a member and there's plenty of non-spicy Doritos.
2008-02-11 22:27 < CJMiller> Oh, and SPAM.
2008-02-11 22:27 < Ceiling_Cat> (Note: being anal-retentive is a *very* good quality in a checkuser)
2008-02-11 22:27 < CJMiller> "...so the checkuser info would have expired out"
2008-02-11 22:27 < CJMiller> Explain...?
2008-02-11 22:29 < Ceiling_Cat> CJMiller - sorry, but I do not discuss checkuser features or methods or with non-checkusers
2008-02-11 22:29 < CJMiller> What is a checkuser?
2008-02-11 22:29 < Ceiling_Cat> because if I did, I would soon find they were no longer effective
2008-02-11 22:29 < CJMiller> What is a checkuser?
2008-02-11 22:29 < CJMiller> (once again)
2008-02-11 22:29 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:CheckUser
2008-02-11 22:29 < NotACow> checkuser uses psychic tracing techniques. they're patented and protected by trade secrets, and you have to swear a blood oath to find out about them.
2008-02-11 22:30 < Dp67> lol
2008-02-11 22:30 < NotACow> CJMiller: checkuser operates against the recent changes table; data is only retained there for 30 days.
2008-02-11 22:30 < NotACow> CJMiller: edits over 30 days old cannot be examined by the checkuser tool.
2008-02-11 22:30 < NotACow> CJMiller: it's possible that they've changed the retention time from 30 days; it was 30 days when i was a checkuser.
2008-02-11 22:31 < Ceiling_Cat> anyway, so Ken Demeyer (aka Kdbuffalo, aka user:Conservative on Conservapedia) has been giving us a very unpleasant time
2008-02-11 22:31 < Ceiling_Cat> he is apparently well known for this, in fact - he's been kicked out of basically every participatory forum on the internets
2008-02-11 22:32 < CJMiller> NotACow: the sockpuppet were blocked indefinitely
2008-02-11 22:32 < Dp67> The internets? you mean theres more than one?
2008-02-11 22:32 < CJMiller> NotACow: you ARE a Cow
2008-02-11 22:32 < CJMiller> Ceiling_Cat: Have him banned!
2008-02-11 22:33 < NotACow> CJMiller: that's normally the case.
2008-02-11 22:33 < Ceiling_Cat> Dp67 - Yes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internets
2008-02-11 22:33 < NotACow> CJMiller: sockpuppets are evil, after all.
2008-02-11 22:36 < zocky> NotACow, does CU check for new users leaving edit summaries and using german?
2008-02-11 22:37 < NotACow> zocky: i think that's the durova supersleuthing extension
2008-02-11 22:37 < Dp67> It does a complete cavity search when you're not expecting it.
2008-02-11 22:40 * Krimpet is waiting for the extension that tells you every article a user's read and when. :)
2008-02-11 22:40 < Ceiling_Cat> I have two feature requests related to checkuer currently pending
2008-02-11 22:40 < Ceiling_Cat> I would *LOVE* for them to be implemented
2008-02-11 22:41 * CJMiller says that Krimpet's fantasy extension is an invasion of privacy and the PATRIOT ACT makes it OK but I'm still against it :(
2008-02-11 22:41 < Krimpet> actually we don't actually know if the extensions live the WMF website match the ones in SVN, do we? :o
2008-02-11 22:42 < Dp67> It can be done.. But why? it's a waste of resources..
2008-02-11 22:42 < CJMiller> I got set to level 8 on #wikipedia-en-roads. What does it mean, and what do I get to do?
2008-02-11 22:43 * Krimpet reports CJMiller to the feds for not submitting to authority
2008-02-11 22:43 < CJMiller> What are you talking about?
2008-02-11 22:45 < CJMiller> Once again:
2008-02-11 22:45 < CJMiller> I got set to level 8 on #wikipedia-en-roads. What does it mean, and what do I get to do?
2008-02-11 22:45 < Loooooooong_Cat> CJMiller - your IRC level determines what abilities you ahve in the channel
2008-02-11 22:45 < Loooooooong_Cat> high level means you can exercise op powers - removing someone's ability to chat, kicking them out of the channel, etc
2008-02-11 22:45 < CJMiller> What powers can be exercised by level 8?
2008-02-11 22:46 < Loooooooong_Cat> a really low level (<0) means you cannot speak by default
2008-02-11 22:46 < Loooooooong_Cat> Unless I'm mistaken, that varies from channel to channel
2008-02-11 22:46 < Starnestommy> voice and requesting invites, iirc
2008-02-11 22:47 < Dp67> op, deop, ban, unban, those are some of the defaults
2008-02-11 22:47 < CJMiller> So level 8 means "If the channel becomes moderated, I can still talk"?
2008-02-11 22:47 < NotACow> CJMiller: depends on how the channel is confgured
2008-02-11 22:47 < Starnestommy> Dp67: that's level 10
2008-02-11 22:47 < NotACow> CJMiller: almost all of the level settings can be configured by the channel owner.
2008-02-11 22:47 < CJMiller> ok
2008-02-11 22:47 < wimt_away> It seems #wikipedia-en-roads has a rather unusual level list - take a look at /msg chanserv level #wikipedia-en-roads list
2008-02-11 22:48 < CJMiller> now i got it
2008-02-11 22:49 < Dp67> you are correct.. I was reading the index
2008-02-11 22:53 < CJMiller> May be a n00bish question, but how do I get a higher level?
2008-02-11 22:53 < Ceiling_Cat> Now that the writers are not on strike, I hope the daily show is back to its old self
2008-02-11 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Rob Schnieder died today
2008-02-11 22:57 < Ceiling_Cat> erm
2008-02-11 22:57 < Lucifer_Cat> yes?
2008-02-11 22:57 < nokmar> today?
2008-02-11 22:57 < Ceiling_Cat> Roy Schenider
2008-02-11 22:57 < NotACow> roy
2008-02-11 22:57 < NotACow> rob
2008-02-11 22:57 < NotACow> same difference
2008-02-11 22:57 < NotACow> now i want a rob roy
2008-02-11 22:57 < nokmar> oh yeah I slept at 3:30
2008-02-11 22:57 < nokmar> I get the days mixed up now
2008-02-11 22:57 * Ceiling_Cat wonders if there is a relation
2008-02-11 22:58 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: only if you can explain what brandon fraser has to do with this
2008-02-11 22:59 < Warpath> the JAWS guy :(
2008-02-11 22:59 < Ceiling_Cat> btw, this is quite possibly the funniest anecdote on Wikipedia:
2008-02-11 23:00 < Ceiling_Cat> [Bruce] McGill also played Major Ed Ryan in the third season Babylon 5 episode "Severed Dreams". Babylon 5 producer J. Michael Straczynski originally intended for Everett McGill to play the role of Major Ryan in the episode Severed Dreams. However he did not know McGill's first name, so when he asked to have McGill contacted
2008-02-11 23:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Straczynski was asked if he meant Bruce McGill, to which he replied yes. Even though it became apparent to Straczynski when Bruce McGill met him to discuss the role that this wasn't the McGill Straczynski had in mind, Straczynski decided to use Bruce McGill instead.
2008-02-11 23:05 < Leslie_S> heh, i have a friend who has his voicemail greeting as ... "you know who you reached."
2008-02-11 23:05 < Leslie_S> heh
2008-02-11 23:06 < IceKarma> my mother's cellphone voicemail greeting was, for several years, "Hangups piss me off."
2008-02-11 23:07 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-02-11 23:07 < Leslie_S> i hate life :(
2008-02-11 23:07 < IceKarma> then for a long time it was "Hello?"
2008-02-11 23:08 < NotACow> DEATH TO CELL PHONES
2008-02-11 23:09 < Leslie_S> DEATH TO LIFE
2008-02-11 23:09 < Leslie_S> bah, it hurts me to type...i cut my finger with abox cutter the other day. :/
2008-02-11 23:09 < NotACow> DEATH TO TADS
2008-02-11 23:09 < NotACow> Leslie_S: you're supposed to use those to cut boxes, not fingers.
2008-02-11 23:09 < Leslie_S> DEATH TO SDAT
2008-02-11 23:09 < Dp67> that wasnt too bright
2008-02-11 23:10 < NotACow> you have a problem with super DAT?
2008-02-11 23:10 < Leslie_S> yes.
2008-02-11 23:10 < NotACow> ok
2008-02-11 23:10 < Leslie_S> see, i use a box cutter about 20 times a day.
2008-02-11 23:10 < Leslie_S> 9 hours a day
2008-02-11 23:10 < Krimpet> when I worked at wawa, I had a habit of leaving the deli slicer on by mistake a lot... :x
2008-02-11 23:10 < Leslie_S> Krimpet OW
2008-02-11 23:10 < NotACow> i have a box cutter on my desk
2008-02-11 23:11 < NotACow> i used it today
2008-02-11 23:11 < NotACow> to open a box.
2008-02-11 23:11 < NotACow> twice.
2008-02-11 23:11 < Leslie_S> ....
2008-02-11 23:11 < NotACow> (not the same box)
2008-02-11 23:11 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-02-11 23:11 < Krimpet> Leslie_S: the fun part was when the assistant manager came back to help during the lunch rush and tried to slice some cheese... :(
2008-02-11 23:11 < Leslie_S> Krimpet O_o?
2008-02-11 23:11 < Dp67> not to cut your fingers? You're using it wrong.. lol
2008-02-11 23:11 < zvook> more liek waahwaah, krimpet, amirite
2008-02-11 23:12 < Master_son> Krimpet: tried to slice your finger instead?
2008-02-11 23:12 < Krimpet> zvook: nah, he wasn't crying, rather cursing violently
2008-02-11 23:12 < Leslie_S> Last time i cut myself with my box cutter, i didnt realize i was bleeding until i bled all over a sign that i was changing the price on
2008-02-11 23:12 < Krimpet> that wasn't one of my better days working there. -_-
2008-02-11 23:12 < Dp67> Hey, deli slicers can do some serious damage.
2008-02-11 23:12 < NotACow> why would you use a box cutter to change a price?
2008-02-11 23:12 < Leslie_S> NotACow i used it before i changed the price.
2008-02-11 23:12 < Krimpet> slashing prices?
2008-02-11 23:13 < Leslie_S> Krimpet LOL
2008-02-11 23:13 < Leslie_S> Krimpet except we only raise our prices, not lower them.
2008-02-11 23:13 < NotACow> a reverse rollback?
2008-02-11 23:13 < Leslie_S> every single time i have ever participated in a price change at walmart, it's been RAISING the price.
2008-02-11 23:13 < Master_son> I can has rollback ;)
2008-02-11 23:13 < IceKarma> NotACow, a rollforward? ;)
2008-02-11 23:13 < NotACow> i don't have rollback
2008-02-11 23:13 < Leslie_S> rollbacks are not permanent price changes
2008-02-11 23:14 < NotACow> IceKarma: i've done rollforwards.
2008-02-11 23:14 < Krimpet> someone deleted my [[WP:WALMART]] shortcut. :p
2008-02-11 23:14 < Leslie_S> we have sales, save even mores, and rollbacks, all the time... :P
2008-02-11 23:14 < Lucifer_Cat> IceKarma: exactly between SD and LA i see the Camp Pendelton Marine Corps base
2008-02-11 23:14 < Master_son> * 15:39, 11 January 2008 Merovingian (Talk | contribs) deleted "Wikipedia:WALMART" ‎ (you'll have to explain this one to me, sorry)
2008-02-11 23:15 < Dp67> walmart only lowers prices till they blow away all the locacl businesses then they raise them again.. lol
2008-02-11 23:15 < Krimpet> Master_son, it was a redirect to [[Wikipedia:Requests for rollback]]
2008-02-11 23:15 < Master_son> ROFL
2008-02-11 23:15 < NotACow> rollforwards are a typical part of a database restore on any database with transaction logging.
2008-02-11 23:15 < Leslie_S> anyway, i always keep my box cutter incredibly sharp (because in my line of work, a dull box cutter is a safety hazard), so it takes a while to notice you cut yourself sometimes
2008-02-11 23:15 < Master_son> apparently the Merovingian didn't understand that
2008-02-11 23:15 < Leslie_S> Dp67 meh, this walmart is in a locality that was a hellhole before walmart came to town.
2008-02-11 23:15 < Mike_H> Isn't Merovingian like 13?
2008-02-11 23:15 < Krimpet> I guess he's a target man. -_-
2008-02-11 23:15 < NotACow> Mike_H: my experience is that he's an idiot, regardless of age.
2008-02-11 23:16 < quanticle> Krimpet: You just noticed now? That redirect has been a gone a long time.
2008-02-11 23:16 < Master_son> heh he's too young for Persephone
2008-02-11 23:16 < Leslie_S> Dp67 and they have a meijer across the street, and a target 2 miles down the road, so .....they have competitors they cant put out of business to deal with. :D
2008-02-11 23:16 < Krimpet> quanticle: I've known
2008-02-11 23:16 < Leslie_S> Dp67 oh, but they did put the local kmart out of business!
2008-02-11 23:16 < Master_son> No wonder she wanted Neo
2008-02-11 23:16 < NotACow> meijer is even more evil than walmart.
2008-02-11 23:16 < Leslie_S> NotACow really?
2008-02-11 23:16 < NotACow> Leslie_S: kmart put themselves out of business
2008-02-11 23:16 < Master_son> They Came apart
2008-02-11 23:16 < Leslie_S> NotACow our local walmart put our local kmart (which was almost literally across the street) out of business.
2008-02-11 23:16 < NotACow> Leslie_S: meijer received a negative score on the HRC's recent GLBT-friendly employer survey.
2008-02-11 23:17 < zvook> i thought rollforward was a tool which travels into the future and plucks the article version at that time
2008-02-11 23:17 < NotACow> Leslie_S: they actively discriminate against basically everyone.
2008-02-11 23:17 < Leslie_S> NotACow HRC recieves a negative score on HRC's GLBT-friendly group survey.
2008-02-11 23:17 < quanticle> Leslie_S: KMart is like Walmart but without the low prices.
2008-02-11 23:17 < Krimpet> I occasionally do my shopping at Wegman's, realize I'll quickly go broke if I continue, and run back to Wal-Mart.
2008-02-11 23:17 < Dp67> I just came back from mijers
2008-02-11 23:17 < Leslie_S> NotACow thats not discrimination. they hate everyone equally. :D
2008-02-11 23:17 < quanticle> Leslie_S: All of the crappiness, none of the advantages.
2008-02-11 23:17 < NotACow> Leslie_S: except white male christians.
2008-02-11 23:18 < NotACow> they have an explicit policy of firing gays, and an unofficial one of firing nonchristians.
2008-02-11 23:18 < Leslie_S> wtf
2008-02-11 23:18 < NotACow> the latter would be official except it's illega.
2008-02-11 23:18 < quanticle> Krimpet: Is Wegmans like Whole Paycheck^W Foods
2008-02-11 23:18 < NotACow> walmart discriminates, too, but not so blatantly.
2008-02-11 23:18 < quanticle> NotACow: Who?
2008-02-11 23:18 < NotACow> quanticle: meijer
2008-02-11 23:18 < Leslie_S> NotACow everyone in the jewelry department at my walmart is female. WTF.
2008-02-11 23:18 < quanticle> NotACow: Glad they're not in my area.
2008-02-11 23:19 < Krimpet> quanticle: it's pretty nice, just not for my college budget
2008-02-11 23:19 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Females like jewelry?
2008-02-11 23:19 < NotACow> quanticle: they're the cracker barrel of department stores.
2008-02-11 23:19 * Leslie_S shrugs
2008-02-11 23:19 < Stormscape> I just found an epic #wikipedia quote on QDB http://www.qdb.us/56484 (no, it's not the 'anybody can edit' quote)
2008-02-11 23:19 < quanticle> NotACow: I thought Meijer was a grocery store...
2008-02-11 23:19 < NotACow> hee
2008-02-11 23:19 < Leslie_S> meijer is a hypermarket.
2008-02-11 23:19 < Leslie_S> just like walmart supercenters
2008-02-11 23:19 < NotACow> quanticle: they were the first combo discount/grocery
2008-02-11 23:19 < IceKarma> Leslie_S, I bet your average local male refuses to have anything to do with the jewelry counter ;)
2008-02-11 23:19 < NotACow> hypermarket, if you were
2008-02-11 23:20 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Oh. I've never been in one.
2008-02-11 23:20 < Leslie_S> NotACow you know whats stupid though, is the way these big box stores build up.
2008-02-11 23:20 < Leslie_S> IceKarma shrug
2008-02-11 23:20 * NotACow avoids shopping in them
2008-02-11 23:20 < Dp67> meijers selection really sucks
2008-02-11 23:20 < NotACow> i prefer small, local stores
2008-02-11 23:21 < quanticle> NotACow: I wish there were small local stores in my area.
2008-02-11 23:21 * quanticle lives in suburbia
2008-02-11 23:21 < NotACow> quanticle: so do i
2008-02-11 23:21 < Leslie_S> NotACow we started out with a meijer. they build a regular walmart across the street. several years later, they build a target down the road....the next year, they expand the walmart to a supercenter. the target is still...the tiniest target i have EVER seen.
2008-02-11 23:21 < NotACow> quanticle: we still have small local stores
2008-02-11 23:21 < Leslie_S> NotACow any time i have gone to that target, there have been NO customers. wtf....
2008-02-11 23:21 < IceKarma> I would love to not shop at Wal*Mart, but my budget doesn't extend that far.
2008-02-11 23:21 < NotACow> target has the highest rate of charitable giving of any large corporation
2008-02-11 23:22 < NotACow> their corporate charter mandates that they donate at least 5% of revenue to charitable causes
2008-02-11 23:22 < quanticle> NotACow: Our suburbs were built up after the `50s. There were no local stores for the big boxen to push out.
2008-02-11 23:22 < Leslie_S> NotACow neato.
2008-02-11 23:22 < Dp67> sounds like my neighborhood. Walmart, Meijer, Target all within spitting distance of eachother
2008-02-11 23:22 < quanticle> NotACow: This place was empty farmland before it was built up.
2008-02-11 23:22 < Leslie_S> Dp67 our walmart is literally across the street from meijer.
2008-02-11 23:22 < Dp67> Here too
2008-02-11 23:23 < quanticle> I've got a SuperWalmart and a SuperTarget across from one another nearby.
2008-02-11 23:23 < DragonFire_aw> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Broken_pipes_cause_flood_in_Darwin_D._Martin_House_in_Buffalo%2C_New_York
2008-02-11 23:23 * quanticle is in MN, so that explains the fact that Targets are actually more common than Walmart.
2008-02-11 23:23 < Dp67> Oh, forgot.. Lowes and Menards across the street from eachother too..
2008-02-11 23:24 < Krimpet> I'm amazed how where my family lives in Fort Worth, it's like all the houses and big-boxes fell out of the sky overnight
2008-02-11 23:24 < Dp67> I still hate Walmart becuase they f'ked up my photos of ground zero NYC when I went there after 911
2008-02-11 23:25 < Dp67> never shopped there since
2008-02-11 23:25 < quanticle> Dp67: Lowes, Menards, and Home Depot - all in one shopping center.
2008-02-11 23:25 * quanticle claims the trifecta
2008-02-11 23:25 * NotACow likes going to hole-in-the-wall hardware stores
2008-02-11 23:26 < NotACow> there's one near Cermak and Western that is full of fun stuff
2008-02-11 23:26 < Krimpet> huge 6-lane roads everywhere, wal-marts at every major intersection, a sea of mcmansions in twisty cul-de-sacs stretching to the horizon
2008-02-11 23:26 < IceKarma> quanticle, not quite the same, but we have an intersection in downtown Vancouver with Starbuckses on three corners
2008-02-11 23:27 < Dp67> I need to get a fan for my audio rack.. These DSP's crank out some heat..
2008-02-11 23:27 < quanticle> IceKarma: Hve you seen the picture of the two Starbucks across the street from one another with lines stretching out the door in both.
2008-02-11 23:27 < quanticle> *?
2008-02-11 23:28 < IceKarma> Dp67, if you value your film, never take it to somewhere with a minilab machine
2008-02-11 23:28 < Dp67> I'd never be that hardup fpr a coffee
2008-02-11 23:28 * Krimpet stopped drinking coffee when she realized caffeine pills are more cost-effective :p
2008-02-11 23:28 < Dp67> IceKarma, I learned my lesson the hard way..
2008-02-11 23:28 < zvook> that sounds very healthy, krimp :P
2008-02-11 23:28 < IceKarma> Dp67, I once had a place slice ten rolls of 36 exp. negs one sprocket hole to the left >.<
2008-02-11 23:29 < quanticle> IceKarma: What is a minilab?
2008-02-11 23:29 < NotACow> IceKarma: ouchies.
2008-02-11 23:29 < Dp67> Those bastards probably developed the photos saw what they were and kept them.. Then only said they accidentally ruined them.
2008-02-11 23:29 * quanticle is young.
2008-02-11 23:29 < IceKarma> quanticle, all-in-one film processing machine run by morons and serviced once every ten blue moons
2008-02-11 23:29 * quanticle doesn't know how film works.
2008-02-11 23:29 < quanticle> IceKarma: Oh.
2008-02-11 23:29 < NotACow> Krimpet: caffeine pills give me a headache, plus you dont get any soluble fiber out of them
2008-02-11 23:30 < IceKarma> Dp67, meh. they could easily print themselves a second set
2008-02-11 23:30 < Krimpet> zvook: eh, one 200 mg pill is about the same as a cup of coffee. just gotta make sure not to overdose. :)
2008-02-11 23:30 < quanticle> IceKarma: That's why I go digital.
2008-02-11 23:30 < NotACow> DIGITAL BUSINESS
2008-02-11 23:30 < Dp67> I used my press pass to get as close as the cops would let me and took pics of the smoldering hole left behind.
2008-02-11 23:30 < NotACow> quanticle: digital doesn't have near the depth or quality that film does
2008-02-11 23:30 < IceKarma> NotACow, I'm so tired of trying to explain that to people. :|
2008-02-11 23:31 < NotACow> quanticle: i need to get my film camera fixed.
2008-02-11 23:31 < quanticle> NotACow: I agree, but, unless you're willing to go and develop your own film, the quality isn't really that much better.
2008-02-11 23:31 < IceKarma> quanticle, or have a proper lab do it
2008-02-11 23:31 < NotACow> quanticle: mmm, depends on where you get your film developed.
2008-02-11 23:31 < Krimpet> NotACow: a smoothie place on campus here will put a free one in a fruit smoothie with purchase. my personal favorite way of getting wired
2008-02-11 23:31 < NotACow> around here there are plenty of good places to get film developed
2008-02-11 23:31 < IceKarma> one handy way to avoid having morons ruin your film is to shoot slide film
2008-02-11 23:32 < NotACow> Krimpet: ugh.
2008-02-11 23:32 < quanticle> IceKarma: Like where? I don't think I've ever got film developed at someplace other than a drugstore.
2008-02-11 23:32 < NotACow> Krimpet: still no soluble fiber
2008-02-11 23:32 < quanticle> IceKarma: Or WalMart.
2008-02-11 23:32 < IceKarma> minilabs can't do the E-6 processing, so they have to send it out to somebody with a clue
2008-02-11 23:32 < NotACow> Krimpet: coffee is full of delicious soluble fiber.
2008-02-11 23:32 < Lucifer_Cat> quanticle: film as in just stills or motion?
2008-02-11 23:32 < quanticle> Lucifer_Cat: 35mm still.
2008-02-11 23:32 < Dp67> The thing I like about film is film is not easily altered. Show me the negitives.. Thats proof.. with a digital camera you can easily photoshop the image and say its something its really not.
2008-02-11 23:32 < Lucifer_Cat> nice
2008-02-11 23:32 < Alkivar> http://deathboy.livejournal.com/1082404.html <-- great review of the London Scientology protests
2008-02-11 23:33 < quanticle> Dp67: Yeah, but there are ways of telling if a photograph has been digitally altered.
2008-02-11 23:33 < Krimpet> NotACow: wouldn't it be in the smoothie's fruit?
2008-02-11 23:33 < NotACow> Krimpet: not the same.
2008-02-11 23:33 < IceKarma> quanticle, also plenty of ways to (mostly) disguise one's track
2008-02-11 23:33 < Dp67> not always an easy task quanticle
2008-02-11 23:33 < IceKarma> quanticle, *tracks
2008-02-11 23:33 < NotACow> quanticle: there are ways that sometimes work, but it's easy to mask them of you know how
2008-02-11 23:34 < quanticle> Dp67: Also, its also possible to "fake" film. Double exposures could do it, for one...
2008-02-11 23:34 < IceKarma> quanticle, film techniques can also leave telltale fingerprints
2008-02-11 23:35 < Dp67> double exposures are easier to detect than a good photoshop job
2008-02-11 23:35 < quanticle> IceKarma: Right. Its more difficult to cover your tracks on an analog medium.
2008-02-11 23:35 < IceKarma> quanticle, eh, I disagree
2008-02-11 23:35 < Ceiling_Cat> "God help us if ice dancers ever get a nuclear bomb" - Colbert
2008-02-11 23:36 < quanticle> IceKarma: How is an edit to analog media easier to hide than an edit to digital media?
2008-02-11 23:36 < quanticle> IceKarma: Name a counterexample to disprove me.
2008-02-11 23:36 < IceKarma> quanticle, it's a lot harder to edit film at -all- than a digital image
2008-02-11 23:36 < Leslie_S> the other day i was greeting, and someone got all shitty with me for checking their reciept
2008-02-11 23:36 < Leslie_S> mustve been NotACow
2008-02-11 23:36 < Leslie_S> but...seriously, what the hell?
2008-02-11 23:37 < Leslie_S> like any store is going to let you walk out of the store with a huge box, without making sure you paid for it?
2008-02-11 23:37 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Well, it depends. In Ohio, you can stop people but you can't search them.
2008-02-11 23:37 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Search, in this case, includes looking at the receipt.
2008-02-11 23:38 < quanticle> Leslie_S: But that sort of law varies on a state-by-state basis.
2008-02-11 23:38 < Leslie_S> so wtf do you do?
2008-02-11 23:38 < Leslie_S> quanticle anyway, its store policy....
2008-02-11 23:38 < Cyrius> stop treating people like criminals?
2008-02-11 23:38 < quanticle> Leslie_S: You have to call the cops if you have a suspicion.
2008-02-11 23:38 < Leslie_S> quanticle crazy.
2008-02-11 23:38 < quanticle> Leslie_S: And the cops have to decide if there's probable cause to search.
2008-02-11 23:38 < Leslie_S> Cyrius i dont treat anyone like criminals.
2008-02-11 23:38 < IceKarma> quanticle, therefore, it's my opinion that if you actually found an edited still, it's likely to have been made by someone with extensive experience with photography and film
2008-02-11 23:38 < IceKarma> quanticle, as opposed to everybody and their second cousin having Photoshop
2008-02-11 23:39 < Leslie_S> quanticle do they need a search warrant?
2008-02-11 23:39 < quanticle> Leslie_S: No. If they have probable cause, they don't need a warrant.
2008-02-11 23:39 < IceKarma> I was of the understanding that the 4th Amendment had something to do with the not needing to stop for receipt checkers thing
2008-02-11 23:39 < Dp67> many moons ago I worked at an autoparts super store.. Some yahoo came to the counter with an Eddlebrock Performer intake manifold marked at like $5.99 and tried to tell me it's marked that so I have to sell it.. Yeah, right... A $200 manifold for 5 bucks.. Not as stupid as I look.
2008-02-11 23:39 < quanticle> Leslie_S: But again, that's Ohio law. I don't know how that works in Michigan.
2008-02-11 23:40 < IceKarma> something to do with guarantees against unlawful search and seizure
2008-02-11 23:40 < IceKarma> but your whole country is crazy, so YMMV
2008-02-11 23:40 < quanticle> IceKarma: The search isn't always unlawful.
2008-02-11 23:40 < Cyrius> Leslie_S: when you stop me and force me to prove that I've paid for something, you are treating me like a criminal
2008-02-11 23:40 < quanticle> IceKarma: Being a private business means that they're not held to the same standard as the police.
2008-02-11 23:41 < IceKarma> quanticle, stopping everybody who leaves the store argues against probable cause in _every_ case
2008-02-11 23:41 < IceKarma> quanticle, and I don't think the 4th Amendment has anything specifically to do with police, but I'm neither a lawyer or an American, so...
2008-02-11 23:41 < Leslie_S> Cyrius .....so im treating you like a criminal to make sure you paid for a $2000 TV that just happens to have set the alarm off?
2008-02-11 23:41 < quanticle> IceKarma: 4th Amendment only applies to police searches. The policy store "loss prevention searches" is left to the states.
2008-02-11 23:41 < Cyrius> Leslie_S: set the alarm off? no.
2008-02-11 23:41 < Cyrius> you've changed the boundaries of the question
2008-02-11 23:41 < Dp67> merchants do have the right to verify purchase at the door. It's not unjust search.
2008-02-11 23:42 < Cyrius> if I walk out with a bag full of...I dunno, cheap post-holiday sale candy
2008-02-11 23:42 < Leslie_S> Cyrius anyway, the one that got pissy had some baby paraphenalia that was huge
2008-02-11 23:42 < quanticle> Dp67: Well, again, that varies on a state by state basis.
2008-02-11 23:42 < Cyrius> I get stopped
2008-02-11 23:42 < quanticle> Dp67: In Minnesota they do, but in Ohio they don't
2008-02-11 23:42 < Cyrius> everyone gets stopped
2008-02-11 23:42 < Leslie_S> Cyrius nobody at my store ever stops anyone with anything in a bag, other than asset protection after they watch you steal it.
2008-02-11 23:42 < Leslie_S> Cyrius unless it sets the alarm off.
2008-02-11 23:42 < Ceiling_Cat> [[ <NotACow> quanticle: mmm, depends on where you get your film developed.
2008-02-11 23:42 < Ceiling_Cat> [23:31] <Krimpet> NotACow: a smoothie place on campus here
2008-02-11 23:42 < Ceiling_Cat> doh