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2008-02-11 15:53 < Soxred93> Woah, I'm confused
2008-02-11 15:53 < str4nd> Just ignore me. :)
2008-02-11 15:56 < Soxred93> Ahh...I need help on what to do
2008-02-11 15:57 < Starnestommy> @daily /path/to/interwiki.py [arguments for interwiki.py]
2008-02-11 15:59 < Soxred93> No, I need to do a SVN update
2008-02-11 16:00 < Sfan00> Toolserv active?
2008-02-11 16:01 < Soxred93> Yeah
2008-02-11 16:01 < Soxred93> I know the code I need to use, just want to know how to run it once daily
2008-02-11 16:01 < Miranda> Sfan00: well, some bots are affected on IRC
2008-02-11 16:01 < NotASpy> it's up for now, folks.
2008-02-11 16:01 < Miranda> ah nvm, the bot is back
2008-02-11 16:02 < Scottc> hey all
2008-02-11 16:02 < Scottc> Does my ISP hate me or something?
2008-02-11 16:02 < Arwen> yes
2008-02-11 16:02 < Scottc> Whenever I start downloading a torrent webpages start taking a long time to load when i'm using nowhere near my bandwidth limit
2008-02-11 16:02 < Soxred93> str4nd, I still need help
2008-02-11 16:02 < Starnestommy> some ISPs throttle torrents
2008-02-11 16:02 < NotASpy> the toolserver will be down again later on, but it's only scheduled maintenance to do with the transferring data to the new array.
2008-02-11 16:02 < Scottc> How can I find out if my ISP throttles torrents?
2008-02-11 16:03 < Arwen> download one
2008-02-11 16:04 < Scottc> well I mean i've gotten up to 500 kb/s before downloading a torrent, and I think higher :)
2008-02-11 16:05 < Scottc> ha
2008-02-11 16:05 < Scottc> I pause my torrent and pages start loading nice and fast
2008-02-11 16:05 < gwern> yeah, torrents can really hammer your upstream bandwidth
2008-02-11 16:05 < Scottc> i'm only devoting 20 kb/s to uploading
2008-02-11 16:06 < Scottc> as I have about 60 kb/s up total
2008-02-11 16:06 < Scottc> and 1.6 mb/s down, but i'm only using like 80 kb/s of that
2008-02-11 16:06 < Scottc> so that doesn't really explain why webpages start loading slowly when I unpause this torrent
2008-02-11 16:06 < Starnestommy> aha http://azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs
2008-02-11 16:07 < Soxred93> Does anyone else here know how to run a shell command daily?
2008-02-11 16:07 < Scottc> cpx osm
2008-02-11 16:07 < Scottc> whoops
2008-02-11 16:07 < Messedrocker> oh good
2008-02-11 16:07 < Scottc> cox doesn't appear to be bad
2008-02-11 16:07 < Messedrocker> neither is verizon
2008-02-11 16:07 < Messedrocker> who would've thought
2008-02-11 16:08 < Scottc> but uh
2008-02-11 16:08 < Scottc> Comcast?
2008-02-11 16:08 < Starnestommy> it throttles accounts with higher volume
2008-02-11 16:08 < Scottc> According to that chart theres nothing wrong with them
2008-02-11 16:08 < Starnestommy> comcast is probably the most evil ISP on the planet
2008-02-11 16:08 < Scottc> yeah...
2008-02-11 16:09 < Scottc> apparently all they do is prevent seeding
2008-02-11 16:09 < Scottc> according to that chart.
2008-02-11 16:09 * Demi throws away comcast's mail and sees how *they* like it
2008-02-11 16:09 < Starnestommy> If I had a choice between using them as my ISP or using the USPS to send IP packets, I'd chose the latter
2008-02-11 16:09 < Sfan00> Why are you knocking comcast
2008-02-11 16:09 < Sfan00> At least it's taking satnd on copryight issues
2008-02-11 16:09 < Sfan00> *stand
2008-02-11 16:10 < Scottc> I'm sure the people who want to seed a mod for half-life 2 or free content will remember that :)
2008-02-11 16:10 < Sfan00> Scootc: I assume you mean 'legal' torrents
2008-02-11 16:10 < Soxred93> As legal as torrents can be
2008-02-11 16:10 < Demi> i'm knocking comcast because they threw away 30,000 people's mail without backups
2008-02-11 16:11 < Scottc> I'm downloading Pirates Vikings & Knights II :)
2008-02-11 16:11 < Scottc> at this rate I might as well grab it off filefront though
2008-02-11 16:11 < Starnestommy> I am for copyright but against overly invasive or interruptive methods to enforce it. Less drastic methods are fine, though
2008-02-11 16:12 < Scottc> wow this is amazing.
2008-02-11 16:13 < Scottc> 60 kb/s download, 20 kb/s upload, and it takes a full second to load a new website
2008-02-11 16:13 < Scottc> pause my torrent, suddenly its instant.
2008-02-11 16:13 < eth01> :P
2008-02-11 16:13 < eth01> speedtest.net what ya get?
2008-02-11 16:13 < Scottc> i use speakeasy.net/speedtest
2008-02-11 16:13 < Scottc> to atlanta, about 16,000 kbps down, 500 kbps up
2008-02-11 16:13 < eth01> hah.
2008-02-11 16:14 < Scottc> could having too many open connections slow things down?
2008-02-11 16:14 < eth01> indeed.
2008-02-11 16:16 < Scottc> ahh lowering the maximum connection count sped things up :P
2008-02-11 16:16 < eth01> p2p/torrent downloading will slow your connection down, yes.
2008-02-11 16:16 < yonkeltron> any news on when openid support will be enabled for logins ?
2008-02-11 16:18 < Cyrius> uh, do you mean "if"?
2008-02-11 16:19 < eth01> haha.
2008-02-11 16:19 < eth01> openid sucks and you know it.
2008-02-11 16:29 < Sfan00> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Story_preparation/Wikinews_interviews_Mark_Bunker%2C_producer_of_anti-Scientology_website_%27XenuTV%27 - Assistance is needed in challanging the anti CoS propoganda campaigning sites use? Anyone got any questions that are relevant?
2008-02-11 16:42 < Lady_Aleena> Hello all...
2008-02-11 16:42 * Lady_Aleena wishes that IP addy edits required an explination no matter how small the bloody edit.
2008-02-11 16:44 * Dp67 wishes IP edits were not allowed.. That aint heppening either
2008-02-11 16:44 * Demi wishes he had a pony
2008-02-11 16:44 * Arwen wishes Tor weren't banned. That ain't happening either.
2008-02-11 16:46 < Cyrius> Lady_Aleena: then people would type in gibberish
2008-02-11 16:46 * White_Cat wishes Cyrius to talk
2008-02-11 16:46 < White_Cat> oh my
2008-02-11 16:46 < White_Cat> my wish is granted?
2008-02-11 16:46 < White_Cat> as I was typing!
2008-02-11 16:46 < Cyrius> that was weird.
2008-02-11 16:46 < White_Cat> Cyrius indeed
2008-02-11 16:46 * White_Cat bows
2008-02-11 16:47 < Lady_Aleena> Well, I just don't want to get into a revert battle with a bunch of numbers.
2008-02-11 16:47 < Dp67> IP edits could go into a que for reged users to patrol before they actually take effect. If a user rejects the edit it never gets posted.
2008-02-11 16:47 < Demi> that's the internet version of racism
2008-02-11 16:48 < White_Cat> Dp67 what about edit conflicts?
2008-02-11 16:48 < White_Cat> and wouldnt bad ips just get accounts then?
2008-02-11 16:48 < White_Cat> Dp67 leave ips alone :)
2008-02-11 16:48 < Demi> how about IP edits, and all edits, go in some kind of queue where everybody can look at them, and then change them, if necessary?
2008-02-11 16:48 < White_Cat> a special Special:Recent Changes feed for anons
2008-02-11 16:48 < White_Cat> now that would be helpful
2008-02-11 16:48 < Arwen> Cyrius, but if they did, we could filter out gibberish edits
2008-02-11 16:49 < Lady_Aleena> I want someone that I can "talk" to individually.
2008-02-11 16:49 < Dp67> lupins tool filter RC's for ip edits
2008-02-11 16:49 < White_Cat> Arwen we dont have the capacity to review every edit
2008-02-11 16:49 < White_Cat> Arwen think of a restourant
2008-02-11 16:49 < White_Cat> in this restourant I want to serve steak on the menu
2008-02-11 16:49 < Arwen> White_Cat, just use spellcheck as a filter
2008-02-11 16:49 < Arwen> and don't make the fact that their edit was blocked known to them
2008-02-11 16:50 < White_Cat> noa we all know steak needs a knife
2008-02-11 16:50 < White_Cat> to cut
2008-02-11 16:50 < White_Cat> sharp knife
2008-02-11 16:50 < White_Cat> also people use knives to stab people
2008-02-11 16:50 < White_Cat> therefore I propose we put people in cages so they dont stab each other
2008-02-11 16:50 < White_Cat> in same logic dont cage anons
2008-02-11 16:52 < Dp67> so lets just let the anons run rampent and deface as many articles as they can, then leave it up to someone else to clean up. Thats how WP handles the problem.
2008-02-11 16:53 < NotASpy> what problem ?
2008-02-11 16:53 < Dp67> vandalism
2008-02-11 16:54 < NotASpy> who's vandalising what ?
2008-02-11 16:55 < White_Cat> Dp67 thats how it works
2008-02-11 16:55 < brown_cat_nap> Stronger and LONGER PENIS
2008-02-11 16:55 < brown_cat_nap> PENIS GROWTH 1 to 3 inches in 90 days. REAL!
2008-02-11 16:55 < brown_cat_nap> dud
2008-02-11 16:55 < brown_cat_nap> e
2008-02-11 16:55 < brown_cat_nap> what is up with the uncyclopedia ads -_-
2008-02-11 16:56 < Sfan00> !chanop
2008-02-11 16:56 < brown_cat_nap> hahahaha
2008-02-11 16:56 * brown_cat_nap gives Sfan00 a dummy
2008-02-11 16:56 < Dp67> thats why I police my watchlist and only worry about that. Chasing vandals on the RC page is futile.
2008-02-11 16:58 < White_Cat> Dp67 only resistance is futile
2008-02-11 16:58 < White_Cat> or so they say
2008-02-11 16:58 < brown_cat_nap> O_O
2008-02-11 16:58 < brown_cat_nap> White_Cat is anonymous
2008-02-11 16:58 < Dp67> if you are a botg
2008-02-11 16:58 < Dp67> *borg
2008-02-11 16:58 < White_Cat> I am not a bot
2008-02-11 16:58 * brown_cat_nap ducks and covers
2008-02-11 16:59 < Demi> i think we should ban synonymous editing
2008-02-11 16:59 < Demi> also, deinonychus editing
2008-02-11 17:01 * brown_cat_nap throws some toast at Sfan00
2008-02-11 17:01 < White_Cat> Demi you cant do that
2008-02-11 17:01 < White_Cat> think of a wiki without me
2008-02-11 17:01 < White_Cat> ok ok dont think that hard
2008-02-11 17:01 < Dp67> I also think that once the community has voted a page to FA status it should be locked to retain its creditability. But that aint happening..
2008-02-11 17:02 < Lady_Aleena> Could someone remind me where to go for mediation if the IP(s) decide to get into a revert war with me?
2008-02-11 17:03 < Miranda> Lady_Aleena: don't get into a revert war with them...because you would be violating 3RR
2008-02-11 17:03 < Lady_Aleena> Miranda, we are currently on the 2rr. If I have to revert a third time, and the IP reverts me then, I would go to mediation.
2008-02-11 17:04 < FastLizard4> ANI? Maybe?
2008-02-11 17:04 < Miranda> Lady_Aleena: just go to mediation now
2008-02-11 17:04 < Traveler9> chanserv invite #wikipedia-en-admins
2008-02-11 17:04 < Dp67> 3rr should not be held agaist anyone fighting blatent vandalism
2008-02-11 17:04 < Traveler9> chanserv invite #wikipedia-en-admins
2008-02-11 17:04 < Lady_Aleena> Miranda: [[WP:Mediation]]?
2008-02-11 17:04 < FastLizard4> Traveler9: You forgot the /msg at the start
2008-02-11 17:04 < Traveler9> join #wikipedia-en-admins
2008-02-11 17:04 < Miranda> yep
2008-02-11 17:04 < Traveler9> join #wikipedia-en-admins
2008-02-11 17:05 < FastLizard4> Traveler9: 1. Commands start with a / 2. #wikipedia-en-admins is a restricted channel
2008-02-11 17:05 < Traveler9> Yeah, this IRC thing is a bit problematic!
2008-02-11 17:06 < Traveler9> FastKizard4 - how on earth do I change my nick name
2008-02-11 17:07 < Dp67> type /nick yournickname
2008-02-11 17:07 < FastLizard4> Traveler9: The little box in the lower right of your screeen
2008-02-11 17:07 < FastLizard4> Dp67: java.freenode user
2008-02-11 17:07 < geniice> http://www.bofunk.com/video/6369/chickipedia_vs_wikipedia_part_2.html
2008-02-11 17:07 < geniice> Actualy we do have pics of girls in bikins and cool videos
2008-02-11 17:08 < Pedro4> Problem is It keepps talling me that it's owned by someone else, and entering the "/msg Nickserv IDENTIFY bit with my password says - wrong password. Joy
2008-02-11 17:08 < Dp67> no wonder hes having trouble.. java clients suck
2008-02-11 17:08 < FastLizard4> Pedro4: First of all, get a real IRC client
2008-02-11 17:08 < FastLizard4> Even ChatZilla is better than java.freenode
2008-02-11 17:08 < Pedro4> I can't.
2008-02-11 17:08 < FastLizard4> And why not?
2008-02-11 17:08 < Gracenotes> geniice: "cool"? I'm not familiar with that definition of "cool"
2008-02-11 17:09 < Pedro4> Because this is my work laptop, and I don't have admin rights to install anything
2008-02-11 17:09 < FastLizard4> Pedro4: Do you have firefox?
2008-02-11 17:09 < Pedro4> Ditto - work laptop - IE.
2008-02-11 17:09 < FastLizard4> SACRILEGE!
2008-02-11 17:09 < geniice> Gracenotes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank#History we also have a stag movie somewhere
2008-02-11 17:09 < Pedro4> Hold on - I'm now back as Pedro4 again!
2008-02-11 17:10 < FastLizard4> Pedro4: In that case, go get a privilege escalation program and install Firefox, like I do at school
2008-02-11 17:10 < geniice> FastLizard4 seamokey might be a better option here
2008-02-11 17:10 < FastLizard4> true
2008-02-11 17:10 < Dp67> free xchat
2008-02-11 17:10 < FastLizard4> Pedro4: Or get SeaMonkey, which dosen't need an install, and get the ChatZilla extension
2008-02-11 17:10 < Demi> Pedro4 - you should look at Portable Apps
2008-02-11 17:11 < Pedro4> Still, either way I can't get to #wikipedia-en-admins so hi ho.
2008-02-11 17:11 < FastLizard4> Pedro4: Because it is restricted!
2008-02-11 17:11 < FastLizard4> Pedro4: Are you a Wikipedia administrator?
2008-02-11 17:11 < Pedro4> Yes - and I already have permissions. I am User:Pedro, an admin account previously granted access
2008-02-11 17:12 < Mike_H> Pedro: You need to type
2008-02-11 17:12 < Mike_H> forward slash msg
2008-02-11 17:12 < Mike_H> chanserv
2008-02-11 17:13 < Mike_H> invite
2008-02-11 17:13 < Mike_H> #wikipedia-en-admins
2008-02-11 17:13 < Mike_H> and when you do that
2008-02-11 17:13 < Mike_H> it'll say "you have been invited"
2008-02-11 17:13 < Mike_H> then click on the channel name
2008-02-11 17:14 < Pedro4> At which point is asks me for my password.... again....
2008-02-11 17:14 < Mike_H> oh
2008-02-11 17:14 < Mike_H> you're not logged in to nickserv
2008-02-11 17:14 < Mike_H> then you type
2008-02-11 17:15 < Pedro4> And now, behold, it likes the password, but no en-admin tab
2008-02-11 17:15 < Mike_H> forward slash msg
2008-02-11 17:15 < Mike_H> nickserv
2008-02-11 17:15 < Mike_H> identify
2008-02-11 17:15 < Mike_H> *password*
2008-02-11 17:15 < FastLizard4> Pedro4: Send the invite command
2008-02-11 17:15 < FastLizard4> Mike_H: Compress the command to one line, stop flooding
2008-02-11 17:15 < Pedro4> It's telling me "you have already identified"
2008-02-11 17:15 < FastLizard4> Pedro4: /msg chanserv invite #wikipedia-en-admins
2008-02-11 17:16 < Gracenotes> Pedro4: do you have another account?
2008-02-11 17:16 < Gracenotes> on freenode
2008-02-11 17:16 < Pedro4> What - WP or IRC?
2008-02-11 17:16 < Pedro4> Ah - no
2008-02-11 17:16 < FastLizard4> Gracenotes: Even so, a good user would link all his accounts together
2008-02-11 17:16 < Pedro4> Guys, I appreciate your help but it ain't happening. No worries anyway, and thanks all
2008-02-11 17:16 < FastLizard4> or hers
2008-02-11 17:16 < Gracenotes> FastLizard4: maybe that's not the case here.
2008-02-11 17:17 < FastLizard4> Pedro4: Did you send the invite command?
2008-02-11 17:17 < Pedro4> sent "/chanserv invite #wikipedia-en-admins"
2008-02-11 17:17 < Mike_H> no, dear
2008-02-11 17:17 < Mike_H> */msg chanserv
2008-02-11 17:17 < Mike_H> without the *
2008-02-11 17:18 < Pedro4> "insufficent parameter"
2008-02-11 17:18 < Cyrius> ...
2008-02-11 17:18 < Pedro4> And suddenly - it works!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
2008-02-11 17:18 < Gracenotes> /msg chanserv invite #wikipedia-en-admins
2008-02-11 17:18 < Gracenotes> ^ remember that :)
2008-02-11 17:19 < Gracenotes> Pedro4: omg no wai
2008-02-11 17:19 * Gracenotes huggles Pedro4
2008-02-11 17:19 * Lady_Aleena askes the question on the two IPs' talk pages before going to mediation in hopes to get this sort out without having to drag a third party into this. She wonders if the person or people have the WP:Idontlikeit problem.
2008-02-11 17:20 < Pedro4> Thanks Gracenotes!
2008-02-11 17:20 * Lady_Aleena waits and sees.
2008-02-11 17:21 < Demi> maybe it's an WP:HEDOESNTLIKEYOU or WP:IDONTLIKEYOUEITHER problem
2008-02-11 17:21 < Demi> or even a WP:IHAVETHEDEATHSENTENCEONTWELVESYSTEMS problem
2008-02-11 17:21 * brown_cat_away cuddles Gracenotes
2008-02-11 17:22 * Gracenotes pets brown_cat_away
2008-02-11 17:22 * Lady_Aleena giggles.
2008-02-11 17:24 < Enterprise_Cat> Pedro4: Get it figured out yet?
2008-02-11 17:24 < Dp67> freenode java doesnt even work on linux
2008-02-11 17:24 * Manwe is away: Estoy ocupado
2008-02-11 17:25 < Enterprise_Cat> Manwe: No one cares
2008-02-11 17:25 < Enterprise_Cat> darn
2008-02-11 17:25 < Enterprise_Cat> Java freenode dosen't work on /anything/
2008-02-11 17:25 < Aqwis> harsh
2008-02-11 17:25 < miranda> Enterprise_Cat: it's a script...
2008-02-11 17:25 < Jerry6> what room are the developers in, please?
2008-02-11 17:25 < Enterprise_Cat> Jerry6: Grabbing it, stand by
2008-02-11 17:25 < Dp67> #Mediawiki
2008-02-11 17:25 < Jerry6> danke
2008-02-11 17:25 < Enterprise_Cat> #mediawiki
2008-02-11 17:26 * Enterprise_Cat shoots Dp67
2008-02-11 17:26 < Demi> the film developers are in #dark though
2008-02-11 17:26 < Dp67> bitte <sp?>
2008-02-11 17:27 < Dp67> I'm thinking Arby's
2008-02-11 17:27 < Demi> Dp67 - if you mean "you're welcome" i think you spell it "ja, du bist ein scheissen fressen ficken schwein"
2008-02-11 17:28 < Jerry6> I don't think that was the channel I wanted.
2008-02-11 17:28 < Huntster> :/ so Toolserver is working, but some of the tools aren't? Seems that CommonsHelper is dead.
2008-02-11 17:28 < Jerry6> I am an Admin an EN and I need somebody with developer access to help me fix a mess I made. Is there a channel for that?
2008-02-11 17:28 < Jerry6> *on
2008-02-11 17:29 < Demi> Jerry6 - possibly #mediawiki-tech
2008-02-11 17:29 < Demi> er #wikimedia-tech
2008-02-11 17:29 < Demi> sorry
2008-02-11 17:29 < Jerry6> ahhh... that's it... thanks
2008-02-11 17:29 < OverlordQ> yea, tech could 'prolly help
2008-02-11 17:30 < Dp67> what does bitte shon mean then?
2008-02-11 17:30 < Lady_Aleena> Dp67: "You're welcome"
2008-02-11 17:30 < Dp67> i thought so
2008-02-11 17:31 < Lady_Aleena> You thought right. :)
2008-02-11 17:31 < Jerry7> ok I got d/c and I lost the chanlink... am I a pain or what?
2008-02-11 17:31 < IceKarma> "schön", perhaps? ;)
2008-02-11 17:31 < Jerry7> #mediawiki-tect does not exist, it seems
2008-02-11 17:31 < Dp67> #Mediawiki-tech
2008-02-11 17:32 < Enterprise_Cat> Oh yes it does
2008-02-11 17:32 < Jerry7> ya that worked... I guess the cap "M"
2008-02-11 17:32 < Gracenotes> #wikimedia-tech
2008-02-11 17:32 < Gracenotes> not mediawiki, wikimedia
2008-02-11 17:32 < Jerry7> oic
2008-02-11 17:33 < Gracenotes> although it seems #mediawiki-tech redirects there anyway
2008-02-11 17:33 < Gracenotes> or something like that
2008-02-11 17:33 < Enterprise_Cat> No it dosen't
2008-02-11 17:33 < Gracenotes> well, it should :)
2008-02-11 17:34 * Enterprise_Cat pokes ChanServ for ops
2008-02-11 17:34 < Enterprise_Cat> on #mediawiki-tech that is
2008-02-11 17:34 < Gracenotes> it's a registered channel
2008-02-11 17:34 < Enterprise_Cat> Heh
2008-02-11 17:34 < Enterprise_Cat> -- Access List for [#mediawiki-tech] --
2008-02-11 17:34 < Enterprise_Cat> Num Level Hostmask Time since last use
2008-02-11 17:34 < Enterprise_Cat> --- ----- -------- -------------------
2008-02-11 17:34 < Enterprise_Cat> 1 30 HardDisk_WP 37w 1d 7h 51m 26s
2008-02-11 17:34 < Enterprise_Cat> -- End of list --
2008-02-11 17:36 < Lady_Aleena> .oO(Is [[List of animal attack films]], a spin off from [[List of disaster films]], a good idea?)
2008-02-11 17:36 < Enterprise_Cat> ...
2008-02-11 17:37 < Dp67> be bold CSD.. lol
2008-02-11 17:38 < Gracenotes> disaster kind of implies a natural disaster, no?
2008-02-11 17:38 < Lady_Aleena> Just thinking out loud for feedback.
2008-02-11 17:38 < Monobi-Local> No.
2008-02-11 17:38 < Gracenotes> whereas animal attack may be of a different nature, categorically
2008-02-11 17:38 * Gracenotes looks at both articles
2008-02-11 17:38 < Aqwis> is animal attack like Jaws?
2008-02-11 17:39 < Aqwis> i wouldn't call that a disaster movie.
2008-02-11 17:39 * Monobi-Local attacks Gracenotes
2008-02-11 17:39 < AzaTht> "U.N. condemns attack on Timor president"
2008-02-11 17:40 < Lady_Aleena> Gracenotes: [[List of disaster films]] may be getting out of hand, so I am trying to think of a way to get a grip on it. I guess this will have to go to the talk page.
2008-02-11 17:40 < AzaTht> like, no shit sherlock...
2008-02-11 17:40 * Enterprise_Cat goes on Huggle
2008-02-11 17:41 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: [[List of disaster films]] is a bit vague. I don't really see a clearly defined criterion for inclusion (or criteria)
2008-02-11 17:41 < Lady_Aleena> Gracenotes: That is what I think would need to be discussed.
2008-02-11 17:43 < Lubaf> IZ U NP Compleet?
2008-02-11 17:44 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: is AFD an option? Or just siphoning the article out to other ones?
2008-02-11 17:46 < OverlordQ> oh god, lolcat turing test
2008-02-11 17:54 < geniice> !admin
2008-02-11 17:54 < J_Milburn> geniice?
2008-02-11 17:54 < JordanC> Yo!
2008-02-11 17:55 < Enterprise_Cat> geniice: that magic word works better at #wikipedia-en
2008-02-11 17:55 < NotASpy> it's not magic. It's evil.
2008-02-11 17:55 < geniice> J_Milburn in the deleted revisions of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Sacks_Akolzin08natlp.jpg&action=history is there any mention of an author?
2008-02-11 17:55 * kibble agrees with Not
2008-02-11 17:55 < JordanC> Anyone here seen the film "Magnolia" ? :O
2008-02-11 17:55 < kibble> NotASpy*
2008-02-11 17:55 < NotACow> !admin shovel the snow out of my driveway
2008-02-11 17:55 < NotASpy> you'll want a WikiWeather admin for that.
2008-02-11 17:56 < Demi> JordanC - a while ago
2008-02-11 17:56 < JordanC> Cool, I am re-watching it
2008-02-11 17:56 < J_Milburn> geniice: It was originally tagged that the uploader was the author and uploaded it, but it doesn't explicitly say so.
2008-02-11 17:56 < JordanC> Was talking to my gf last night and didn't really pay attention after 40 mins in
2008-02-11 17:57 < geniice> in the deleted revisions where it got zaped for NC onlky?
2008-02-11 17:57 < JordanC> There's that cool song in it they all sing
2008-02-11 17:58 < J_Milburn> geniice: Oh God, sorry, not thinking. I'll check now
2008-02-11 17:58 < geniice> NotASpy If admins don't want me bothering them then they can give me my admin bit back
2008-02-11 17:59 < NotACow> DEATH TO ADMINS
2008-02-11 17:59 < J_Milburn> geniice: No, no mention of an author. Just "Hayley Anne Sacks and Vadim Akolzin at 2008 Israeli National Championships" and the 'non commercial use' tag
2008-02-11 17:59 < NotACow> geniice: we can't let you be an admin. you might fail to observe the Jimbo Line.
2008-02-11 17:59 < NotASpy> that's the line you don't cross, but walk round the side of, right ?
2008-02-11 18:00 < J_Milburn> Though it is the same as the current image
2008-02-11 18:00 < NotACow> NotASpy: or something like that, yes
2008-02-11 18:00 < geniice> J_Milburn> thanks
2008-02-11 18:00 < NotACow> NotASpy: if you do cross it, make sure you have a large enough clique with you
2008-02-11 18:00 < NotASpy> geniice: did you resign or were you asked to resign ?
2008-02-11 18:00 < geniice> NotASpy no
2008-02-11 18:01 < JordanC> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCUFq4jyvI4
2008-02-11 18:01 < JordanC> Jimbo in a cafe
2008-02-11 18:02 < NotASpy> we'll be getting an article about the Cafe just shortly then.
2008-02-11 18:02 < JordanC> :D
2008-02-11 18:02 < JordanC> [[Hot lesbian cafe]]
2008-02-11 18:02 < JordanC> That's how Jimbo rolls
2008-02-11 18:03 < OverlordQ> Aww lies, that article doesn't exist, DONT TEASE ME LIKE THAT
2008-02-11 18:03 < JordanC> ;_;
2008-02-11 18:03 < JordanC> Let's make a cafe
2008-02-11 18:04 < JordanC> Then we can make that article
2008-02-11 18:04 < Arwen> Question: is there a guideline on how to romanize names for articles?
2008-02-11 18:04 < JordanC> Answer: I came, I saw, I romanized
2008-02-11 18:05 < geniice> Arwen depends
2008-02-11 18:05 < geniice> Arwen idealy we find where someone else has done it first
2008-02-11 18:16 < Mike_H> my favorite trashy show is returning tonight!!!111 :DD
2008-02-11 18:24 < White_Cat> Mike_H you like doctor who?
2008-02-11 18:53 < zvook> Arwen: what sorta names?
2008-02-11 18:53 < Arwen> foreign ones
2008-02-11 18:53 < Arwen> like arabic and asian stuff
2008-02-11 18:54 < zvook> i'm pretty sure there's seperate MOS pages for each
2008-02-11 18:54 < zvook> Fun.
2008-02-11 18:56 < JordanC> Hmm
2008-02-11 18:56 < JordanC> Can any one reccomend a film to watch
2008-02-11 18:56 < JordanC> gf gets back home in 10 mins
2008-02-11 18:56 < JordanC> Need a good film to go rent
2008-02-11 18:57 < Mike_H> JordanC: chicks like that Notebook garbage.
2008-02-11 18:57 < JordanC> Notebook?
2008-02-11 18:57 < Rinn> Hot Asses And Tits 2.
2008-02-11 18:57 < JordanC> She doesn't like chick flicks, it's a miracle
2008-02-11 18:57 < White_Cat> HAAT?
2008-02-11 18:57 < ancjr> I Spit on Your Grave
2008-02-11 18:57 < White_Cat> ancjr I have no grave
2008-02-11 18:57 < ancjr> aka: Day of the Woman
2008-02-11 18:57 < Rinn> It's the second in a documentary series about desert-dwelling donkeys and tits.
2008-02-11 18:58 < zvook> What films do you two like
2008-02-11 18:58 < ancjr> White_Cat: movie title
2008-02-11 18:58 < JordanC> I think I'll go get the original rambo
2008-02-11 18:58 < Demi> if you like action movies, i liked the rundown
2008-02-11 18:58 < zvook> I Spit on Your Grave is one of those cwazy django movies, is it?
2008-02-11 18:59 < ancjr> JordanC; you'll be single then
2008-02-11 18:59 < JordanC> lol
2008-02-11 18:59 < zvook> or "a controversial rape-revenge film" which was my second guess
2008-02-11 18:59 < JordanC> Anti-climactic :P
2008-02-11 18:59 < The359> Blue Thunder
2008-02-11 18:59 < Rinn> Didn't they make a film out of Lolita?
2008-02-11 18:59 < The359> For Roy Scheider
2008-02-11 18:59 < zvook> They made two films out of lolita
2008-02-11 18:59 < Rinn> Of course that depends on how old she is.
2008-02-11 18:59 < ancjr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Spit_On_Your_Grave
2008-02-11 18:59 < JordanC> Yeah, nothing like
2008-02-11 18:59 < JordanC> Romantic, but just a decent film
2008-02-11 19:00 < JordanC> She loved oldboy
2008-02-11 19:00 < Rinn> "But no jury in America would ever convict her!" Boy, do I have a surprise for you!
2008-02-11 19:09 < Mike_H> <ancjr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Spit_On_Your_Grave
2008-02-11 19:09 < Mike_H> funny story on that
2008-02-11 19:09 < Mike_H> I wrote the article originally :o
2008-02-11 19:09 < Mike_H> When I was like, 16 or whatever
2008-02-11 19:09 < ancjr> Mike_H: good job :)
2008-02-11 19:09 < Mike_H> I was going through my parents' tapes
2008-02-11 19:09 < Mike_H> because I ran out of blank tapes to tape my soaps
2008-02-11 19:09 < Mike_H> and the tape said "I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE"
2008-02-11 19:09 < Mike_H> and I'm like, okay, what is this
2008-02-11 19:09 < torch> soaps eh?
2008-02-11 19:09 < JordanC> Hmm
2008-02-11 19:10 < JordanC> I need to update some economics articles
2008-02-11 19:10 < Mike_H> so I watch it and I think I got through...like, the first gang rape, and I was like "why did my parents tape this movie"
2008-02-11 19:10 < Mike_H> so I put it in my bookbag, I go to school the next day, and go home with some friends of mine, and we all watch "I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE" together
2008-02-11 19:10 < ancjr> i think i was about the same age
2008-02-11 19:10 < Mike_H> and they were like
2008-02-11 19:10 < Demi> what was that one tv movie where the girls all rape that other girl in the shower with a toilet plunger or something?
2008-02-11 19:10 < ancjr> when i saw it
2008-02-11 19:10 < Mike_H> "Wow, your parents are fucked up"
2008-02-11 19:10 < Mike_H> Demi: [[Born Innocent]]
2008-02-11 19:11 < Mike_H> I also wrote that article
2008-02-11 19:11 < Demi> that was pretty messed up
2008-02-11 19:11 < Mike_H> Born Innocent was a television movie which was first aired under the NBC World Premiere Movie umbrella on September 10, 1974. Highly publicized, Born Innocent was the highest-rated television movie to air in the United States in 1974. To this day, it has remained one of the most controversial films ever aired on American television.
2008-02-11 19:11 < The359> A plunger?
2008-02-11 19:11 < The359> kinky
2008-02-11 19:12 < Mike_H> One scene in particular that gained the movie infamy was the rape of Blair's character in the communal showers by the other girls with a toilet plunger handle; this scene had the distinction of being the first all-female rape scene aired on American television.
2008-02-11 19:12 < Mike_H> This scene was not glossed over in promotional spots for the movie; Linda Blair's screams as she was being attacked were aired in the promos, with the announcer intoning, "She was born innocent, but that was fourteen years ago!"
2008-02-11 19:12 < ancjr> ...
2008-02-11 19:12 < Mike_H> The scene drew much outcry on its first airing and was eventually pulled from the movie entirely when it was blamed for the rape of a nine-year-old girl, committed by some of her peers with a glass soda pop bottle. The California Supreme Court would declare the film was not obscene, and that the network which broadcast it was not liable for the actions of the persons who committed the crime. Olivia N. v. National Broadcasting Compan
2008-02-11 19:14 < ancjr> Mike_H: my brother and i rented ISOYG because we were childhood delinquents ... and well, it pretty much just grossed us out
2008-02-11 19:14 < Mike_H> ancjr: Well, we were like really twisted kids
2008-02-11 19:14 * The359 prefers the plunger to the glass bottle
2008-02-11 19:14 < Mike_H> you know the scream the girl does when they...do the thing with the wine bottle?
2008-02-11 19:14 < Demi> when i was little Salem's Lot scared the heck out of me
2008-02-11 19:15 < Mike_H> and we'd giggle ourselves to the point of peeing our pants
2008-02-11 19:15 < ancjr> Mike_H: we had the sound off - being that we watched it at my uncle's work
2008-02-11 19:16 < ancjr> damn now that i think of it we were pretty twisted too
2008-02-11 19:16 < Mike_H> ancjr: Yeah, we would make references to that movie all the time after that, and how bad the writing was
2008-02-11 19:16 < Mike_H> like, why would a rape victim let her perpetrator have sex with her again JUST SO SHE COULD KILL HIM?
2008-02-11 19:17 < OverlordQ> so she could kill him?
2008-02-11 19:17 < ancjr> there's only one line that we used for comedy afterward: "I can't cum with you watching!"
2008-02-11 19:17 < Mike_H> ancjr: And we'd also yell another line from the movie in public places
2008-02-11 19:17 < Mike_H> "I CAN'T STOP THE BLEEDING!"
2008-02-11 19:17 < Mike_H> from when she sliced...yeah.
2008-02-11 19:17 < ancjr> yup\
2008-02-11 19:18 < ancjr> Mike_H: we're turning this into #sikipedia
2008-02-11 19:18 < ancjr> #sickipedia
2008-02-11 19:18 < Mike_H> yeah.
2008-02-11 19:18 < Mike_H> Demi: This is the plot
2008-02-11 19:18 < Mike_H> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Spit_On_Your_Grave#Plot
2008-02-11 19:18 < Mike_H> it's actually fairly tamely-worded
2008-02-11 19:19 < Mike_H> Three local men, two ne'er do wells and a gas station manager are disturbed by Jennifer's independence. Late at night they hatch a plan to abduct her, apparently so their mildly-retarded friend Matthew can lose his virginity.
2008-02-11 19:19 < Demi> ah, ne'er do wells
2008-02-11 19:19 < Mike_H> ancjr: it even mentions that line you said, heh
2008-02-11 19:19 < Mike_H> Matthew finally rapes her after drinking alcohol, but says that he can not climax with the other men watching.
2008-02-11 19:20 * TheWeasel just accidentally went into a red light district
2008-02-11 19:20 < ancjr> damn alky
2008-02-11 19:20 < ancjr> makes you insane
2008-02-11 19:20 < TheWeasel> Now I'm allergic to fake blonde, fake nails and white anoracs
2008-02-11 19:20 < TheWeasel> *hair
2008-02-11 19:20 < Demi> argh, the fakery
2008-02-11 19:20 < Rinn> "She manually stimulates him in her bathtub. As he nears orgasm, she picks up a knife she has hidden under the bathmat and cuts his genitals." <-- That's pretty ingenious.
2008-02-11 19:20 < Mike_H> ancjr: my favorite death was the last one
2008-02-11 19:21 < Mike_H> The two remaining men take their motorized boat to Jennifer's cabin, with an axe in hand. As they attack her, she escapes with the boat and the axe. The two men swim after her, so she turns around and swings the axe into one man's back. The other man swims up, grabs hold of the motor, and asks Jennifer not to kill him. She revs the motor, disemboweling him. As she speeds away, the credits roll.
2008-02-11 19:21 < TheWeasel> "favorite death"
2008-02-11 19:21 < TheWeasel> o.o
2008-02-11 19:21 < ancjr> yup
2008-02-11 19:21 < ancjr> it's a classic
2008-02-11 19:22 < Mike_H> Rinn: What was so creepy about it was that she was so sociopathic about it
2008-02-11 19:22 < Mike_H> she just got up
2008-02-11 19:22 < Mike_H> left
2008-02-11 19:22 < Mike_H> and locked the door from the outside
2008-02-11 19:23 < Mike_H> and went downstairs, put on some classical music at a loud volume so his screams would be drowned out
2008-02-11 19:23 < Mike_H> and went back when the screaming stopped.
2008-02-11 19:23 < ancjr> you know, i was addicted to all the violent games, watched all the sicko movies, worst i've ever done is speeding
2008-02-11 19:23 < ancjr> so whats with this connection between media and violence?
2008-02-11 19:23 < Rinn> They need something to blame.
2008-02-11 19:23 < ancjr> ah.
2008-02-11 19:24 < ancjr> i like crcus peanuts too
2008-02-11 19:24 < Mike_H> Film critic Roger Ebert considers this to be one of the worst films he has ever seen, referring to it as "a vile bag of garbage...without a shred of artistic distinction," adding that "Attending it was one of the most depressing experiences of my life." [3]
2008-02-11 19:24 < ancjr> i hear some people consider that a crime
2008-02-11 19:25 < ancjr> roger ebert...
2008-02-11 19:25 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: As I Spit on Your Grave, the movie was censored and released in the United States in 1980. Many countries, such as Ireland, Norway, Iceland, and the former government of West Germany, banned the film altogether, claiming that the film glorifies violence against women.
2008-02-11 19:25 < Rinn> It glorifies it?
2008-02-11 19:25 < TheWeasel> At least it's not distancing itself.
2008-02-11 19:25 < Mike_H> Rinn: Probably because of the lengthy gratuitous gang-rape scenes.
2008-02-11 19:25 < TheWeasel> that's quite enough for Germany probably
2008-02-11 19:26 * ancjr is quoted as saying Roger Ebert is.. "a vile bag of garbage...without a shred of artistic distinction," adding that "His movie reviews are the most depressing experiences of my life."
2008-02-11 19:26 < Rinn> Well, duh. How are you supposed to build sympathy for the woman without that?
2008-02-11 19:26 < TheWeasel> and 1980 was a different time.
2008-02-11 19:26 < Mike_H> Rinn: There are two gang rape scenes and together they last...over ten minutes.
2008-02-11 19:26 < TheWeasel> Gratuitous
2008-02-11 19:27 < Mike_H> Rinn: this is a theatrical trailer
2008-02-11 19:27 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCys3sd8Bw
2008-02-11 19:27 < Demi> what does gratuitous mean in a film intended to shock?
2008-02-11 19:27 < TheWeasel> I thought it meant something like "redundant"
2008-02-11 19:27 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-11 19:27 < The359> Fucking stupid teenagers on Jeopardy
2008-02-11 19:28 < TheWeasel> not really having function in that mass
2008-02-11 19:28 < The359> Final Jeopardy question: What is the only state which features a diacritical mark in its official name?
2008-02-11 19:28 < TheWeasel> Hawaii?
2008-02-11 19:28 < The359> One girl put Mass, another New Mexico, third kid didn't know
2008-02-11 19:28 < The359> yes, Weasel
2008-02-11 19:29 < Messedrocker> "Massachusetts" i don't see how
2008-02-11 19:29 < Messedrocker> "New Mexico" maybe if it's official name was new may-hee-co
2008-02-11 19:29 < Messedrocker> its*
2008-02-11 19:29 < TheWeasel> Mässächüsètts
2008-02-11 19:29 < Mike_H> ancjr: did you see the trailer?
2008-02-11 19:30 < Demi> isn't that like saying "in a beautiful mind, when they showed john nash being really good at the third math problem, that was gratuitous"?
2008-02-11 19:30 < Mike_H> Demi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKCys3sd8Bw
2008-02-11 19:30 < TheWeasel> It would probably be if you use Aristotle as a guide
2008-02-11 19:31 < Mike_H> they actually show a lot of the "penis cutting" scene :/
2008-02-11 19:31 < Mike_H> in that trailer
2008-02-11 19:31 < ancjr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmnYCSwt2Js
2008-02-11 19:31 < TheWeasel> I remember T.S. Eliot calling Hamlet a terrible piece because many things Hamlet does do nothing to further the plot.
2008-02-11 19:32 < TheWeasel> especially feigning the madness
2008-02-11 19:32 < Demi> i can't really watch penis severing right now
2008-02-11 19:32 < Demi> actually it's just about quitting time
2008-02-11 19:33 < Mike_H> wow, Roger Ebert is a douchebag
2008-02-11 19:33 < ancjr> Mike5: thank you
2008-02-11 19:33 < TheWeasel> Roger Ebert is fairly cool when we agree :-P
2008-02-11 19:33 < Demi> i like roger ebert :(
2008-02-11 19:33 < ancjr> Mike_H even
2008-02-11 19:33 < TheWeasel> ...and we agree much of the tim
2008-02-11 19:33 < TheWeasel> e
2008-02-11 19:33 < Mike5> you're welcome
2008-02-11 19:33 < shimgray> TheWeasel: well, if we hadn't lost Act Seven in a fire in 1623...
2008-02-11 19:34 < TheWeasel> I don't know how he survives at a terrible paper like the Sun-Times
2008-02-11 19:34 < Demi> hamlet was probably not meant to be performed as a giant chunk
2008-02-11 19:34 < TheWeasel> no
2008-02-11 19:34 < Demi> shakespeare probably anticipated cuts
2008-02-11 19:34 < TheWeasel> it's like the bible, a rather random version
2008-02-11 19:34 < Mike_H> Wait, did Gene Siskel just say
2008-02-11 19:34 < Mike_H> "The WASPs run the country?"
2008-02-11 19:35 < TheWeasel> from a couple of verbatim and not so verbatim copies
2008-02-11 19:35 < Mike_H> for a minute I thought he said "The wops run the country," which is SO offensive.
2008-02-11 19:35 < Demi> ha
2008-02-11 19:35 < Demi> okay, later all
2008-02-11 19:35 < Mike_H> "Goddamn Protestants, the biggest thing to happen to them on a Sunday is a bake sale!"
2008-02-11 19:36 < TheWeasel> It sort of depends on the bake.
2008-02-11 19:36 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-11 19:36 < ancjr> ;D
2008-02-11 19:37 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Bake sale, or baked sale?
2008-02-11 19:37 < ancjr> ha
2008-02-11 19:38 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3N4CFE-9KY
2008-02-11 19:38 < Mike_H> I miss this Jeopardy intro music.
2008-02-11 19:38 < Mike_H> I hate the one they have now.
2008-02-11 19:38 < TheWeasel> Sale bake to get baked with?
2008-02-11 19:38 < Mike_H> and the set was cute.
2008-02-11 19:39 < Mike_H> (this set and music lasted from 1991-1996)
2008-02-11 19:40 < JordanC> Decided to settle with sideways :)
2008-02-11 19:41 < Mike_H> sideways?
2008-02-11 19:44 < gwern> what do you call a mechanical oarsman?
2008-02-11 19:44 < gwern> eh? eh?
2008-02-11 19:45 < gwern> a rowbot!
2008-02-11 19:45 < gwern> (get it?)
2008-02-11 19:45 < TheWeasel> I thought it'd be a pun with "skull"
2008-02-11 19:48 < JordanC> Mecha-rowsman?
2008-02-11 19:48 < JordanC> Mike_H: Yeah, with Paul Giamatti and Thomas Hayden-Church
2008-02-11 19:56 < OverlordQ> that was horrible gwern
2008-02-11 19:58 < gwern> it was just
2008-02-11 19:58 < gwern> so, Westminster's on tonight
2008-02-11 19:58 < gwern> nobody will watch it, of course. it's a dog of a show
2008-02-11 19:58 < Cyrius> it's a real bitch for me to watch it
2008-02-11 19:59 < gwern> and it disgusts me to know how many fanciers will be panting over the results
2008-02-11 20:00 < Cyrius> I'd have to retrieve my remote from behind the sofa
2008-02-11 20:00 * gwern thinks someone should patent a remote leash
2008-02-11 20:02 < The359> just attach a leash to a Roomba
2008-02-11 20:02 < gwern> no one wants to take roombas on walkies
2008-02-11 20:03 < The359> I meant attach the other end to the Roomba
2008-02-11 20:03 < The359> to walk the dog
2008-02-11 20:03 < gwern> mighty small dog
2008-02-11 20:03 < gwern> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/12/17/cute-kittens-dr-tinycat-to-the-or/ <-- he should be on House
2008-02-11 20:06 < Cyrius> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/02/10/funny-pictures-sees-no-evidence-of-celing-cat/
2008-02-11 20:07 < Cyrius> "Teh filolsoffer Pasclol says that is better bet to bleev in Ceiling Cat.
2008-02-11 20:07 < Cyrius> That is very wise. But Pasclol losted his shirt in Sooper Bowl bets so I does not bleevin in Pasclol."
2008-02-11 20:10 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk1VcziNilY
2008-02-11 20:10 < Mike_H> this is one of my favorite Price is Right moments
2008-02-11 20:13 < Thedjatclubrock> Can someone editor review me --> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Editor_review/Thedjatclubrock&action=edit
2008-02-11 20:14 * Loooooooong_Cat is loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
2008-02-11 20:14 < Enterprise_Cat> OH NOES, IT'S RAUL'S CATS!!!
2008-02-11 20:15 < Enterprise_Cat> WE'RE DOOMED!
2008-02-11 20:15 < Brian_M> Je ne parle pas Anglais
2008-02-11 20:18 < Loooooooong_Cat> any japanese speakers handy?
2008-02-11 20:18 < miranda> Loooooooong_Cat: #wikipedia-ja
2008-02-11 20:19 < gwern> Loooooooong_Cat: eh. I've seen longer
2008-02-11 20:19 < gwern> (that's what she said!)
2008-02-11 20:20 < cimon> how much do roombas sell for these days, btw?
2008-02-11 20:21 < gwern> few hundred USD
2008-02-11 20:21 < gwern> depends on model though
2008-02-11 20:21 < gwern> they've been making roombas for quite a while. they're a big robotics success story
2008-02-11 20:22 < Mike_H> On the episode airing October 15, 1987, Bob Barker first appeared with white hair after years of dyeing it brown.[14]
2008-02-11 20:22 < Mike_H> That specific show was taped after a two-month hiatus, yet aired in the middle of a broadcast week, so viewers at home were not aware of the impending change. Barker received a minute-long standing ovation by the audience and Barker gave an amusing anecdote before starting the game, asking viewers who hated his "new" hair color to write to "Fingers" Greco.[14]
2008-02-11 20:24 < cimon> gwern: that is what I was thinking, that roombas may be a mature market already, quite unlike segways...
2008-02-11 20:25 < gwern> segways are fricking expensive. if simple scooters still remain in the many dozens of dollars, segways will never come down to a reasonable price
2008-02-11 20:27 < th89> hey guys, i have 10 new Hulu invites. I am looking for a donation to my site ($5 or more). first come first serve
2008-02-11 20:28 < Cyrius> ...
2008-02-11 20:48 < Red_Farmer> Hey quick question: is it customary under Wikipedia policy to blank an AfD discussion at the request of the person who created the page under discussion after said discussion has been closed?
2008-02-11 20:48 < Enterprise_Cat> No
2008-02-11 20:48 < OverlordQ> erm, no
2008-02-11 20:48 < miranda> Red_Farmer: no
2008-02-11 20:48 < Enterprise_Cat> You cannot blank AfD requests in any circumstance
2008-02-11 20:48 < Red_Farmer> I didn't think so...an admin did so. should I revert it myself or take it to Deletion Review?
2008-02-11 20:49 < OverlordQ> what AFD got blanked?
2008-02-11 20:50 < Red_Farmer> the one in question is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Don_Hamrick
2008-02-11 20:50 < Mike5> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7239005.stm
2008-02-11 20:51 < bumm13> Mike5: god forbid anyone have *fun* in Saudi Arabia ;p
2008-02-11 20:52 < Mike5> on a related note: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/07/world/main3800725.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3800725
2008-02-11 20:52 < digwuren> Enterprise_Cat: Hasn't Jimbo blanked AFD requests?
2008-02-11 20:52 < Enterprise_Cat> Not to my recollection
2008-02-11 20:52 < OverlordQ> Heh "I would not have done so had I really understand the way Wikipedia is managed. It is a zoo here."
2008-02-11 20:53 < OverlordQ> Translation: "Whine bitch moan they wont do things my way"
2008-02-11 20:53 < Red_Farmer> lol
2008-02-11 20:54 < Red_Farmer> he was accusing us of a witch hunt against him after another editor who was also a Libertarian tried to explain that he had ran for city council years ago and didn't have his own article
2008-02-11 20:54 < OverlordQ> Hah "The Fact is - there are TOO MANY rules here."