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2008-02-09 21:59 < Mole2> jtizzle1854: As far as I know in the mIRC case you get no extra functionality, just "a clean consciousness" as they say.
2008-02-09 22:00 < Krimpet> well, and you don't have that guy's face staring at you when you open it
2008-02-09 22:00 < endoo> hi
2008-02-09 22:00 * danopia would rather have more money instead of a clean consciousness
2008-02-09 22:00 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-02-09 22:00 < Gracenotes> hello, endoo
2008-02-09 22:00 < Therapist_cat> danopia - MY OPINION EXACTLY
2008-02-09 22:00 * brown_cat stabs danopia and steals his money
2008-02-09 22:00 < brown_cat> how do you like it now?
2008-02-09 22:00 < Therapist_cat> having a clean conscience is clearly overrated
2008-02-09 22:00 < danopia> who pays for software anyway
2008-02-09 22:00 < Mole2> jtizzle1854: So if the client does not lock up and is decent lots of people might use it, and then some might pay, say 1/300 pays then it still is good business for the software maker. Since if it locked up he would never get as many users.
2008-02-09 22:00 * Therapist_cat steals brown_cat's innocence
2008-02-09 22:01 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-02-09 22:01 < brown_cat> that was the only thing that kept me from being an emo
2008-02-09 22:01 * brown_cat puts on hobo gloves and a hoodie
2008-02-09 22:01 < Ceiling_Cat> NOT EMO ENOUGH
2008-02-09 22:01 * Ceiling_Cat hands brown_cat a razor
2008-02-09 22:01 < Ceiling_Cat> You know what to do
2008-02-09 22:01 * danopia steals brown_cat's hobo gloves
2008-02-09 22:01 * brown_cat puntches danopia and takes his gloves back
2008-02-09 22:02 * a_cat steals brown_cat's hoodie and runs to his getaway car
2008-02-09 22:02 * brown_cat puntches a_cat and gets his hoodie back
2008-02-09 22:02 * a_cat wonders how brown_cat outran the car
2008-02-09 22:02 * Ceiling_Cat watches all from above
2008-02-09 22:02 * Floor_Feline notes that a_cat did not *get* into the car yet
2008-02-09 22:02 < brown_cat> a_cat: i was still wearing the hoodie
2008-02-09 22:03 < brown_cat> I actually have a red and black hobo gloves :D
2008-02-09 22:03 * Therapist_cat ambles off to a secluded alley way with Floor_Feline
2008-02-09 22:03 * Floor_Feline runs up a tree
2008-02-09 22:03 * brown_cat looks about
2008-02-09 22:04 * brown_cat waves to JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:04 * brown_cat jumps onto JohnReaves' lap before anyone else
2008-02-09 22:04 < danopia> while brown_cat is lookign teh otehr way danopia steals his gloves and jumps on a moter scooter and presses the button all teh way
2008-02-09 22:04 * danopia notes the battery is dead
2008-02-09 22:05 * JohnReaves is standing
2008-02-09 22:05 * brown_cat holds onto JohnReaves' shirt
2008-02-09 22:05 < Gracenotes> role-playing is good and all, but this is the channel for discussion of Wikipedia, you folks realize?
2008-02-09 22:06 < danopia> Gracenotes, and?
2008-02-09 22:06 * Krimpet slaps Gracenotes around a bit with a large trout
2008-02-09 22:06 < brown_cat> :o
2008-02-09 22:06 < brown_cat> NO ONE HURTS GRACENOTES
2008-02-09 22:06 * danopia notes Krimpet is oped and backs away with his tail between his legs
2008-02-09 22:06 * brown_cat slaps Krimpet silly
2008-02-09 22:06 * Ceiling_Cat is trying to pick main page FAs
2008-02-09 22:07 * brown_cat nominates his userpage for FA
2008-02-09 22:07 * Mole2 turns up the volume of his yellow Walkman and digs rhythmically into the ground and disappears.
2008-02-09 22:07 * brown_cat introduces Mole2 to [[iPod]]s
2008-02-09 22:07 < Mole2> :))
2008-02-09 22:07 < danopia> isn't is [[IPod]] by the namign rules?
2008-02-09 22:07 < danopia> it*
2008-02-09 22:08 < Gracenotes> not with JavaScript magic, it isn't
2008-02-09 22:08 < Mole2> brown_cat: iPods don't survive down in the humid tunnels you know. You need a water tight Walkman, the yellow ones you know.
2008-02-09 22:08 * endoo pokes JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:08 * BoNkY pokes JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:08 < danopia> or make a iPod water-tight
2008-02-09 22:08 * Can9 pokes JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:08 * Ce_Banjar pokes JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:08 * endoo pokes JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:08 * endoo pokes JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:08 * endoo pokes JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:08 * endoo pokes JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:08 * Ce_Banjar pokes JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:08 < brown_cat> Mole2: you can get ipod covers
2008-02-09 22:08 * Ce_Banjar pokes JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:08 * Ce_Banjar pokes JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:08 * Ce_Banjar pokes JohnReaves
2008-02-09 22:08 < brown_cat> !ops
2008-02-09 22:08 < danopia> ?
2008-02-09 22:08 < brown_cat> !ops
2008-02-09 22:08 < Mole2> Nah, I like old school. It's cooler.
2008-02-09 22:09 * brown_cat hugs Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-09 22:09 < Not_the_NSA> Ceiling_Cat is too slow O.o
2008-02-09 22:09 < danopia> what just happened
2008-02-09 22:09 < brown_cat> Not_the_NSA: take that back >:D
2008-02-09 22:09 < AfterDeath> brown_cat: stfu! once is enough
2008-02-09 22:09 < Mole2> Besides, does iPod come with FM radio?
2008-02-09 22:09 < Therapist_cat> Not_the_NSA - I was busy
2008-02-09 22:09 * Therapist_cat likes to cudele afterwards
2008-02-09 22:09 < Therapist_cat> cuddle*
2008-02-09 22:09 < brown_cat> AfterDeath: when ops are slow, I seem to do that
2008-02-09 22:09 * Mole2 taps the line to Not_the_NSA.
2008-02-09 22:09 < AfterDeath> brown_cat: stfu! once is enough.
2008-02-09 22:09 < JohnReaves> <_<
2008-02-09 22:09 < Not_the_NSA> AfterDeath: I think Therapist_cat =raul sock
2008-02-09 22:09 * Not_the_NSA checks
2008-02-09 22:10 < brown_cat> AfterDeath: even when ops do nothing?
2008-02-09 22:10 < Not_the_NSA> ya
2008-02-09 22:10 * Mole2 goes back to Wikipedia reading and perhaps some editing.
2008-02-09 22:10 < Warpath> JohnReaves, he didn't stay long..sorry :~(
2008-02-09 22:10 < AfterDeath> brown_cat: Correct.
2008-02-09 22:10 < brown_cat> god, some of the ops are pissing me off -_-
2008-02-09 22:10 < Therapist_cat> Not_the_NSA - do you really have to check?
2008-02-09 22:10 < Therapist_cat> Kat Walsh notes with sadness that she never has to
2008-02-09 22:10 < Warpath> eeek
2008-02-09 22:11 < Not_the_NSA> Therapist_cat: I have never seen you use this sock
2008-02-09 22:11 < Ceiling_Cat> Not_the_NSA - it's relatively new
2008-02-09 22:11 < Messedrocker> Therapist_cat, is that a facebook status update or something?
2008-02-09 22:11 * danopia runs his meep-bots and hide behind a bag of cat food.... j/k'ing
2008-02-09 22:11 < Therapist_cat> Messedrocker - more of a bad pun
2008-02-09 22:11 < danopia> i'd rather hide IN the bag of cat food
2008-02-09 22:12 * brown_cat hates cat food
2008-02-09 22:12 * brown_cat cuddles TheLetterE
2008-02-09 22:13 < Warpath> JohnReaves, deadfish ?
2008-02-09 22:13 < Therapist_cat> brown_cat - no no no, the cuddling comes afterward
2008-02-09 22:13 < JohnReaves> stinking up the room
2008-02-09 22:13 < Warpath> he wasn't w00t i think O_O
2008-02-09 22:14 * a_cat meows
2008-02-09 22:14 < a_cat> can iz have human food?
2008-02-09 22:15 < danopia> no food for a_cat
2008-02-09 22:15 < brown_cat> ewwwwww
2008-02-09 22:15 < brown_cat> gimp smells like herpes
2008-02-09 22:16 < brown_cat> O_O
2008-02-09 22:18 < The359> needs moar cats
2008-02-09 22:18 * brown_cat holds onto The359's shirt
2008-02-09 22:18 * The359 gets the spaying tools
2008-02-09 22:18 * brown_cat swings around
2008-02-09 22:18 * brown_cat threatens The359
2008-02-09 22:18 < Warpath> a_cat, is a bot O_O
2008-02-09 22:19 < brown_cat> HI LOUD_CAT
2008-02-09 22:19 < Master_son> HELLO LOUD_CAT
2008-02-09 22:19 < brown_cat> The359: if you touch me I will shave *every* hair off your body
2008-02-09 22:19 < quanticle> HELLO LOUD_CAT
2008-02-09 22:19 < LOUD_CAT> HELLO EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-02-09 22:20 < Gracenotes> NovaDog: hi
2008-02-09 22:20 < NovaDog> Gracenotes: hi
2008-02-09 22:20 < quanticle> Warpath: A catbot?
2008-02-09 22:20 < NovaDog> gtg now, thanks gracenotes
2008-02-09 22:20 < NovaDog> byebye :)
2008-02-09 22:21 < Warpath> XD
2008-02-09 22:21 < Gracenotes> :O
2008-02-09 22:21 < Warpath> abuse :p
2008-02-09 22:21 < a_cat> i'm a bot?
2008-02-09 22:21 < Gracenotes> Ceiling_Cat abusing sockpuppets!
2008-02-09 22:21 < quanticle> a_cat: Theoretically.
2008-02-09 22:21 < a_cat> ghosts!
2008-02-09 22:21 < a_cat> :O
2008-02-09 22:21 < Krimpet> omg, is EVEN_LOUDER_CAT w00t? :o
2008-02-09 22:21 * AppleBoy_ kicks a_cat
2008-02-09 22:21 < LOUD_CAT> ZOMG CAT ABUSE!
2008-02-09 22:21 * EVEN_LOUDER_CAT MEOWS QUIETLY
2008-02-09 22:21 < brown_cat> HI EVEN_LOUDER_CAT!!!! HOW ARE YOU??
2008-02-09 22:22 < brown_cat> ALL CATS TO #wikimedia-cats OK??
2008-02-09 22:22 < quanticle> LOUD_CAT: You'd know all about abusing cats, wouldn't you? :-P
2008-02-09 22:22 < ninja_cat> booya!
2008-02-09 22:22 < Attic_Cat> haha
2008-02-09 22:23 < ninja_cat> oh god >.<
2008-02-09 22:23 < danopia`cat> err
2008-02-09 22:23 < danopia`cat> opps
2008-02-09 22:23 < danopia`cat> lol
2008-02-09 22:24 < danopia`cat> never do /names without an argument
2008-02-09 22:24 * ninja_cat holla's at all the cats in da house
2008-02-09 22:25 < Ceiling_Cat> ninja_cat - go to #wikimedia-cats ;)
2008-02-09 22:25 < ninja_cat> all cats, to the cat house!
2008-02-09 22:26 * Ttech figures if I do it I'll get banned
2008-02-09 22:26 < Ttech> ;P
2008-02-09 22:26 < danopia> too bad i cna't join that, when i changed nick i lost my ExtendChans
2008-02-09 22:26 < danopia> yay got it back
2008-02-09 22:29 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> can't remember the dev's channel name
2008-02-09 22:29 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> what is it?
2008-02-09 22:29 < Cyrius> #wikimedia-tech ?
2008-02-09 22:29 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I want to ask about http://www.0x000000.com/index.php?i=513
2008-02-09 22:29 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> thanks
2008-02-09 22:30 < EVEN_LOUDER_CAT> TA_BU_SHI_DA_YU!!!!!!!
2008-02-09 22:30 * EVEN_LOUDER_CAT HUGGLES!
2008-02-09 22:30 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> now that's loud
2008-02-09 22:31 * Floor_Feline huggles LOUDER_CAT, EVEN_LOUDER_CAT, brown_cat, Ceiling_Cat, danopia`cat, ninja_cat, a_cat, and Therapist_cat
2008-02-09 22:32 * LOUD_CAT FEELS LEFT OUT :(
2008-02-09 22:46 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-09 22:46 < Messedrocker> mooly moortin
2008-02-09 22:55 < quanticle> The cats took the conversation with them when they left.
2008-02-09 22:55 < brown_cat> quanticle: shhhhh
2008-02-09 22:55 < brown_cat> what html do I use to centre something?
2008-02-09 22:55 < FastTribble4> brown_cat: Wiki or normal html?
2008-02-09 22:56 < brown_cat> normal html
2008-02-09 22:56 < quanticle> brown_cat: Do you want the elegant solution, or the hackish one?
2008-02-09 22:56 < brown_cat> :s
2008-02-09 22:56 < FastTribble4> <center>?
2008-02-09 22:56 < quanticle> brown_cat: <center> is still supported by most browsers, but its hackish...
2008-02-09 22:56 < FastTribble4> <span style = "align: center;">
2008-02-09 22:56 < brown_cat> that's what I thought but id eosn't seem to work :s
2008-02-09 22:56 < brown_cat> k, thnaks LD
2008-02-09 22:57 < FastTribble4> ...might work
2008-02-09 22:57 < quanticle> FastTribble4: The <center> or the <span>?
2008-02-09 22:57 < Krimpet> you can't center <span>
2008-02-09 22:57 < FastTribble4> the span
2008-02-09 22:58 < Krimpet> <div align="center">
2008-02-09 22:58 < FastTribble4> I am not sure it was spam though
2008-02-09 22:58 < FastTribble4> Right, div
2008-02-09 22:58 < Krimpet> or <p align="center">
2008-02-09 22:58 < quanticle> Krimpet: I don't think that's supported either.
2008-02-09 22:58 < quanticle> Krimpet: Aren't you supposed to use CSS for that?
2008-02-09 22:58 < FastTribble4> I know {| align="center" works for a table
2008-02-09 22:59 < Krimpet> quanticle: hmm, I guess it is deprecated
2008-02-09 22:59 < Krimpet> HTML is such a huge hackish mess that I don't care that much I guess -_-
2008-02-09 23:00 < brown_cat> so if I put <p align="center"> at the start, I put </p align="center"> at the end, right?
2008-02-09 23:00 < quanticle> Krimpet: Neither do I. Especially since I try to code for both Firefox and IE.
2008-02-09 23:00 < quanticle> brown_cat: Just </p> at the end.
2008-02-09 23:00 < brown_cat> k :D
2008-02-09 23:00 < quanticle> brown_cat: You new to this?
2008-02-09 23:00 < brown_cat> quanticle: I have never been fcuked to learn html
2008-02-09 23:01 < brown_cat> quanticle: it isn't working :(
2008-02-09 23:01 < quanticle> brown_cat: Neither have I, but I know it anyway. Actually, getting fsked for knowing HTML would be cool.
2008-02-09 23:01 < brown_cat> hehehe
2008-02-09 23:01 * quanticle wouldn't mind getting laid for knowing various markup languages
2008-02-09 23:01 < Berta> NickServ Identify
2008-02-09 23:02 < quanticle> Berta: its /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
2008-02-09 23:02 < quanticle> brown_cat: What isn't working?
2008-02-09 23:02 < brown_cat> <center></center>
2008-02-09 23:03 < brown_cat> I know it should work but, it isn't
2008-02-09 23:03 < quanticle> brown_cat: Are you trying it on text or on a table?
2008-02-09 23:03 < brown_cat> layer
2008-02-09 23:03 * Krimpet appreciates a man who knows his LaTeX. :)
2008-02-09 23:03 < quanticle> brown_cat: It might not work for those.
2008-02-09 23:03 < brown_cat> :(
2008-02-09 23:03 < quanticle> Krimpet: Heh. I use LaTeX every time.
2008-02-09 23:04 < quanticle> brown_cat: Have you tried the <div> trick?
2008-02-09 23:04 < Krimpet> by far the most kinky of the document processing languages.
2008-02-09 23:04 < quanticle> Krimpet: Heh. I'm writing my resume in LaTeX right now.
2008-02-09 23:04 < quanticle> Or rather, translating my resume into LaTeX.
2008-02-09 23:05 < brown_cat> quanticle: which div tag? :s
2008-02-09 23:05 < quanticle> <div align="center">
2008-02-09 23:06 < brown_cat> then at the end?
2008-02-09 23:06 < Krimpet> I use it for all my class assignments (and my resume too) just for that fancy look, in hopes of impressing my professors ;p
2008-02-09 23:06 < arcandio> Okay freinds, How can I find my Wikiadmin and password out if I've forgotten what exactly it is? Or do I just guess?
2008-02-09 23:06 < quanticle> brown_cat: </div>
2008-02-09 23:06 < brown_cat> tried it
2008-02-09 23:06 < brown_cat> doens't work
2008-02-09 23:07 < quanticle> Krimpet: When substance doesn't work, style usually gets them...
2008-02-09 23:07 < quanticle> :P
2008-02-09 23:07 < quanticle> brown_cat: Hmmm... You might have to use CSS for this...
2008-02-09 23:07 < Krimpet> well, it sets the margins really huge by default, too <_<
2008-02-09 23:09 < quanticle> brown_cat: CSS tutorial: http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp
2008-02-09 23:10 < brown_cat> thanks :D
2008-02-09 23:10 < quanticle> brown_cat: CSS reference: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp
2008-02-09 23:10 < quanticle> Krimpet: Do you know how to make it truly single spaced?
2008-02-09 23:11 < Krimpet> quanticle: hmm, not quite - it's kind of voodoo to me
2008-02-09 23:11 < quanticle> Krimpet: Oh.
2008-02-09 23:12 < quanticle> Krimpet: The default line spacing is somewhere around 1.5 lines, and for some things that's really annoying.
2008-02-09 23:12 < Krimpet> ah. I just kinda know enough to get by for writing papers really
2008-02-09 23:14 < quanticle> Krimpet: Me too. This resume translation thing isn't going well.
2008-02-09 23:15 < quanticle> Hmmm. I have enough money for one book. Should I get a book on LaTeX, or Javascript?
2008-02-09 23:16 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles Lubaf
2008-02-09 23:16 < Krimpet> quanticle: I'd probably go with LaTeX, since it seems pretty idiosyncratic and irregular compared to JS, which is pretty straightforward
2008-02-09 23:17 < quanticle> Krimpet: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well. Besides, there are plenty of good Javascript tutorials on the internet, but not very many LaTeX ones.
2008-02-09 23:17 * Lubaf facestabbles Ceiling_Cat.
2008-02-09 23:17 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-02-09 23:17 < Lubaf> How's eraadislich?
2008-02-09 23:18 < Lubaf> Sorry, "Eradaaslich".
2008-02-09 23:18 < Lubaf> My mistake.
2008-02-09 23:21 < pherring> erm
2008-02-09 23:22 < pherring> I have a bit of an odd request....
2008-02-09 23:22 < Lubaf> pherring: Go ahead.
2008-02-09 23:22 < Lubaf> Ask.
2008-02-09 23:22 < Lubaf> We'll deny you anyway, but go ahead and ask.
2008-02-09 23:22 < pherring> I was wondering if someone knew of a channel on a server somewhere that moved very quickly all of the time....
2008-02-09 23:22 < pherring> I am looking for something that would make a good picture
2008-02-09 23:22 < Starnestommy> #ubuntu on freenode
2008-02-09 23:23 < pherring> I need a photo for my digital photgraphy class that is an item of my culture...
2008-02-09 23:23 < Pilotguy> There's also #cvn-wp-en
2008-02-09 23:23 < pherring> I spend hours each day on my computer...
2008-02-09 23:23 < Lubaf> pherring: #ubuntu sounds about right.
2008-02-09 23:23 < pherring> so I figured I'd just take a screencap with my camera
2008-02-09 23:24 < Krimpet> just don't change nicks, ask a question, cough, breathe too loudly, or look at someone too funny in there. they're kinda uptight. :)
2008-02-09 23:25 < pherring> :P
2008-02-09 23:25 < pherring> ok
2008-02-09 23:25 < pherring> I can also take it in such a way that you won't be able to read anything....
2008-02-09 23:25 < pherring> which should take care of the not logging anything rules
2008-02-09 23:26 < Lubaf> pherring: They might not have no logging rules.
2008-02-09 23:26 < Lubaf> Or they might not not have, as well.
2008-02-09 23:26 < Lubaf> Ask first.
2008-02-09 23:28 < Ceiling_Cat> one of the pixxxxxxxxxx I took this summer is of a canon from the spanish colonial era
2008-02-09 23:28 < Ceiling_Cat> it has a *great* inscription on it
2008-02-09 23:28 < Ceiling_Cat> "To throw the king's fire"
2008-02-09 23:29 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: Does it work by passing a fart over a flame?
2008-02-09 23:29 < Leslie_S> hey.
2008-02-09 23:29 < Lubaf> The king would presumably be seated in the seat of honor for this device.
2008-02-09 23:29 * Ceiling_Cat throws king's fire at lubaf
2008-02-09 23:30 < Leslie_S> i found the weirdest article ever on the wiki :D :D
2008-02-09 23:30 < Leslie_S> [[autophagy]]
2008-02-09 23:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Leslie_S - [[bug chasing]]?
2008-02-09 23:30 < Leslie_S> Ceiling_Cat even worse!
2008-02-09 23:30 < Ceiling_Cat> oh wait
2008-02-09 23:30 < Leslie_S> wait, bah, the article isnt what i thought it was.
2008-02-09 23:30 < Ceiling_Cat> that's just the mechhanism by which apoptosis occurs
2008-02-09 23:30 < Ceiling_Cat> cell suicide
2008-02-09 23:31 < Leslie_S> I thought it was a redirect to [[self cannibalism]]
2008-02-09 23:31 < Ceiling_Cat> [[fuck a duck]] is indisputably the best redirect on wikipedia
2008-02-09 23:31 < Leslie_S> [[self-cannibalism]]
2008-02-09 23:31 < Leslie_S> [[autophagy]] is a cool name though
2008-02-09 23:31 < Leslie_S> A certain amount of self-cannibalism occurs unwittingly, as the body consumes dead cells from the tongue and cheeks. Ingesting one's own blood from an unintentional lesion such as a nose-bleed or an ulcer is clearly not intentional harvesting and consequently not considered cannibalistic.
2008-02-09 23:31 < Leslie_S> Catabolisis is also sometimes described as "self-cannibalism."[citation needed]
2008-02-09 23:31 < Leslie_S> WHAT THE HELL
2008-02-09 23:32 < Leslie_S> ok, heres a good redirect
2008-02-09 23:33 < Leslie_S> [[autovampirism]]
2008-02-09 23:33 < Leslie_S> the drinking of ones own blood
2008-02-09 23:35 < Leslie_S> [[placentophagy]]!
2008-02-09 23:36 < quanticle> Leslie_S: I'm pretty sure I heard about that in a Penny Arcade
2008-02-09 23:37 < quanticle> Leslie_S: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/10/17
2008-02-09 23:38 < Ceiling_Cat> Leslie_S - that was an item at the chicago scavenger hunt
2008-02-09 23:38 < Ceiling_Cat> ...someone eating their own umbilical cord
2008-02-09 23:38 < Ceiling_Cat> (someone actually managed to do it)
2008-02-09 23:38 < Leslie_S> ew
2008-02-09 23:38 < Leslie_S> The sea squirt (with a tadpole-like shape) contains a ganglion 'brain' in its head, which is digested after attaching itself to a rock and becoming stationary, forming an anaenome-like organism.
2008-02-09 23:38 < Leslie_S> WTF
2008-02-09 23:39 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Anyone who says that evolution tends toward greater complexity is lying...
2008-02-09 23:43 < Leslie_S> why would a creature do that?
2008-02-09 23:45 < Leslie_S> http://www.evaristti.com/iweb/---Helena%20%20-%20The%20GoldFish.html
2008-02-09 23:49 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Because its more successful without a brain than with one.
2008-02-09 23:49 < ALLSTARecho> canabalism snuff films anyone?
2008-02-09 23:49 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Brains are fairly energy intensive to maintain.
2008-02-09 23:50 < ALLSTARecho> lol not all of them <ref>[[Wikipedia]]</ref>
2008-02-09 23:59 < LuciferTiger> hows everyone
2008-02-10 00:17 < TheWeasel> About back
2008-02-10 00:19 < TheWeasel> Heh.
2008-02-10 00:19 < TheWeasel> ARD misspells "Maine" as "Main"
2008-02-10 00:20 < TheWeasel> imagine claiming to have the "Main Primary"
2008-02-10 00:21 < Mike_H> Frankfurt am Maine
2008-02-10 00:21 < Mike_H> <3
2008-02-10 00:22 * brown_cat jumps onto Mike_H's lap
2008-02-10 00:22 * brown_cat cuddles Mike_H
2008-02-10 00:23 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-02-10 00:23 < TheWeasel> the funny thing is, the dative case that "am" calls for used to require an -e at the end of the object
2008-02-10 00:24 < TheWeasel> it only survives in certain forms like "im Grunde"
2008-02-10 00:24 < TheWeasel> ("basically"
2008-02-10 00:24 < TheWeasel> so "am Maine" is not wrong at all
2008-02-10 00:26 < Mike_H> :(
2008-02-10 00:27 * LuciferTiger watches brown_cat ... that think better keep its claws outta my blazer
2008-02-10 00:28 * brown_cat jumps onto LuciferTiger :D
2008-02-10 00:29 * LuciferTiger hubbles brown_cat....good kitty.... now just dont claw that blazer i wore to the "yes we can" rally okay dear
2008-02-10 00:29 < brown_cat> O_O
2008-02-10 00:29 < LuciferTiger> err... huggles
2008-02-10 00:29 < LuciferTiger> and pats
2008-02-10 00:29 * brown_cat huggles LuciferTiger
2008-02-10 00:29 < LuciferTiger> lol my cat seems to have some weird connection with my router
2008-02-10 00:30 < LuciferTiger> 'senses' when im talkin bout other cats or watching/chatting bout something interesting
2008-02-10 00:32 < JessicaTaylor> Hello Everybody
2008-02-10 00:32 < LuciferTiger> hey
2008-02-10 00:33 < LuciferTiger> JessicaTaylor: Choose... Obama, Clinton,McCain, Huckabee.
2008-02-10 00:33 < JessicaTaylor> I don't kjnow what they are
2008-02-10 00:33 < LuciferTiger> and you have once chance to choose right.
2008-02-10 00:33 < Brian_M> Ralph Wiggum!
2008-02-10 00:33 < Brian_M> For President
2008-02-10 00:33 < JessicaTaylor> Osama!
2008-02-10 00:33 < JessicaTaylor> For president
2008-02-10 00:34 < LuciferTiger> JessicaTaylor: invalid choice. and i wasnt asking for prez.. but thats okay.
2008-02-10 00:34 < LuciferTiger> you get in for thinking outta the box
2008-02-10 00:34 < JessicaTaylor> yay
2008-02-10 00:36 < LuciferTiger> im prolly the only one up
2008-02-10 00:36 < LuciferTiger> oh wait,, Brian_M is
2008-02-10 00:36 < Brian_M> What?
2008-02-10 00:37 < Dtobias> Osama the bomber.
2008-02-10 00:37 < LuciferTiger> Boris the spider.
2008-02-10 00:38 < Dtobias> Spider-man, Spider-man, can do anything a spider can.
2008-02-10 00:38 < LuciferTiger> Bomberman, Bomberman, blows up anything that he can.
2008-02-10 00:39 < Dtobias> The terrorists have won.
2008-02-10 00:40 < LuciferTiger> well they will if Romney is anywhere near the whitehouse
2008-02-10 00:41 < TheWeasel> Only with strap-on explosives
2008-02-10 00:41 < TheWeasel> 'Cause he dropped out.
2008-02-10 00:42 < dystopianray> If an album track listing consistently has a mispelt word on both the official site and on the album itself, should wikipedia keep the misspelling in the article or correct it?
2008-02-10 00:42 < TheWeasel> I love how everyone seems to want to correct George Harrison's "Love You To" to "Love You Too"
2008-02-10 00:43 < TheWeasel> dystopianray: The misspelling is probably intentional then
2008-02-10 00:43 < dystopianray> TheWeasel: it's not clear whether it is intentional or not, but i wonder what is wikipedia's policy on this issue?
2008-02-10 00:43 < dystopianray> TheWeasel: the same article has been reverted several times over it
2008-02-10 00:43 < TheWeasel> hah, I imagine
2008-02-10 00:44 < TheWeasel> I would agree with you
2008-02-10 00:44 < dystopianray> Agree that the mispelling should remain and not be corrected?
2008-02-10 00:44 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-02-10 00:46 < dystopianray> what can be done to avoid an edit war?
2008-02-10 00:48 < TheWeasel> it shouldn't be removed if it's well sourced
2008-02-10 00:48 < TheWeasel> and apparently there aren't many authoritative sources for the other spelling
2008-02-10 00:49 < TheWeasel> you might mention it though
2008-02-10 00:53 < gwern> interesting. I didn't know how large the largest known star, [[VY Canis Majoris]], is:
2008-02-10 00:53 < gwern> 'Roberta M. Humphreys (2006) estimates the radius of VY CMa at 1800 to 2100 solar radii. To illustrate, if our Sun was replaced with VY Canis Majoris, its surface would extend to the orbit of Saturn. Assuming the upper size limit of 2100 solar radii, light would take more than 8 hours to travel around the star's circumference.'
2008-02-10 00:54 < dystopianray> If I edit an article, such as an article on an album, and for example I change the year the album was released, is there any way to have this change propagated to all other articles that mention the old date? Or must they all be manually edited?
2008-02-10 00:54 < gwern> 'yo momma so fat she competes with VY Canis Majoris in diameter'
2008-02-10 00:54 < Ceiling_Cat> dystopianray - *in theory*, such facts could be done using a template
2008-02-10 00:55 < dystopianray> Ceiling_Cat: a template?
2008-02-10 00:55 < LuciferTiger> dystopianray: that would be one cool feature
2008-02-10 00:55 < Ceiling_Cat> dystopianray - it is possible to replicate the contents of one page in another
2008-02-10 00:56 < dystopianray> Ceiling_Cat: to extract specific items of data from a page?
2008-02-10 00:56 < Ceiling_Cat> No
2008-02-10 00:56 < Ceiling_Cat> it is possible to extract exactly one thing from the page - it's text
2008-02-10 00:56 * Enterprise_Cat waves to Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-10 00:56 < dystopianray> it's entire text?
2008-02-10 00:56 < Ceiling_Cat> (or, one specifically delimited subset thereof)
2008-02-10 00:56 < dystopianray> what about pulling an item from an infobox?
2008-02-10 00:56 < dystopianray> like a name or date
2008-02-10 00:56 < Ceiling_Cat> No
2008-02-10 00:57 < Ceiling_Cat> well
2008-02-10 00:57 < Ceiling_Cat> Yes, *one* item
2008-02-10 00:57 < Ceiling_Cat> No more than one
2008-02-10 00:57 < dystopianray> oh
2008-02-10 00:57 < Ceiling_Cat> (being able to transclude multiple parts of a page is a feature the developers are working on -- again, in theory)
2008-02-10 00:57 < Enterprise_Cat> Can enwp bureaucrats demote users?
2008-02-10 00:57 < LuciferTiger> For his part, Mr Huckabee said on Saturday that he had no intention of quitting.
2008-02-10 00:57 < LuciferTiger> "Am I quitting? Let's get that settled right now. No, I'm not," he said.
2008-02-10 00:57 < LuciferTiger> "I majored in miracles, and I still believe in them."
2008-02-10 00:58 < Ceiling_Cat> LuciferTiger - you omitted the best part
2008-02-10 00:58 < LuciferTiger> man... ppl actually BRAG bout majoring in miracles???
2008-02-10 00:58 < dystopianray> oh they're alerady working on it? I had an idea of implementing a way to store and retrieve specific pieces of data about something
2008-02-10 00:58 < LuciferTiger> best part?
2008-02-10 00:58 < Ceiling_Cat> He said "I didn't major in math. I majored in miracles..."
2008-02-10 00:58 < brown_cat> dude
2008-02-10 00:58 < Dtobias> Major in miracles, with a minor in superstitious nonsense.
2008-02-10 00:58 < Ceiling_Cat> because it's all-but-mathematically-impossible to stop John McCain at this point
2008-02-10 00:58 < LuciferTiger> really really rofl...
2008-02-10 00:58 < brown_cat> fantasia is making me have a seizure
2008-02-10 00:59 < Dtobias> [[Fantasia Barrino]]?
2008-02-10 01:01 < Dtobias> There's a herd of cats in this room...
2008-02-10 01:01 < Ceiling_Cat> Dtobias - you should see #wikimedia-cats
2008-02-10 01:01 * amidaniel pets teh putties
2008-02-10 01:01 < Ceiling_Cat> we had 16 cats in there earlier
2008-02-10 01:01 < Dtobias> What is that room supposed to be about?
2008-02-10 01:02 < Ceiling_Cat> Cats
2008-02-10 01:02 < Dtobias> Anyone seen Schrodinger's Cat?
2008-02-10 01:02 < The359> the same thing this room is about
2008-02-10 01:02 < Ceiling_Cat> Dtobias - that would be quanticle
2008-02-10 01:02 < dystopianray> is this the official wikipedia channel?
2008-02-10 01:02 < LuciferTiger> Dtobias: he goes by the name quanticle right?
2008-02-10 01:03 < LuciferTiger> ahh see
2008-02-10 01:03 < LuciferTiger> hes awat
2008-02-10 01:03 < LuciferTiger> away
2008-02-10 01:03 < Ceiling_Cat> dystopianray - more or less
2008-02-10 01:03 < dystopianray> how does someone become an admin?
2008-02-10 01:03 < Dtobias> But is he alive or dead?
2008-02-10 01:03 < Ceiling_Cat> on wikipedia? Or in this channel?
2008-02-10 01:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Dtobias - Yes.
2008-02-10 01:03 < dystopianray> on wikipedia
2008-02-10 01:04 < LuciferTiger> Dtobias: nice one
2008-02-10 01:04 < Ceiling_Cat> (geek humor)
2008-02-10 01:04 < Dtobias> [[Wikipedia:Biographies of cats that might be living or dead]]
2008-02-10 01:04 < Ceiling_Cat> dystopianray - by successfully requesting adminship
2008-02-10 01:04 < dystopianray> Ceiling_Cat: is there a specific criteria for it?
2008-02-10 01:05 < Dtobias> You can beat dead horses, but don't try it with dead cats.
2008-02-10 01:05 < Ceiling_Cat> dystopianray - in theory, when someone who requests adminship, their candidacy is discussed in a rational, fact-based way
2008-02-10 01:05 < LuciferTiger> amidaniel: we may be pussies... but u are a bitch :P
2008-02-10 01:05 < Ceiling_Cat> and members of the community support or oppose that candidacy
2008-02-10 01:05 < dystopianray> Ceiling_Cat: do you have to be friends with an existing admin?
2008-02-10 01:06 < MessedRawker> dystopianray, theoretically, no
2008-02-10 01:06 < MessedRawker> in practice, it helps
2008-02-10 01:06 < LuciferTiger> Ceiling_Cat: how bout making amidaniel an honorary cat?
2008-02-10 01:06 < Ceiling_Cat> well, the only ones who can make admins are bureaucrats
2008-02-10 01:06 < MessedRawker> actually, admins do not promote others to adminship
2008-02-10 01:06 < Ceiling_Cat> and bureaucrats decide based on the community discussion
2008-02-10 01:07 < dystopianray> how does the community become aware of a request for adminship?
2008-02-10 01:07 < Ceiling_Cat> it is posted to [[wikipedia:requests for adminship]]
2008-02-10 01:07 * LuciferTiger resists the urge to insert his own views...
2008-02-10 01:08 < amidaniel> LuciferTiger: :)
2008-02-10 01:08 * amidaniel is proud to be a bitch
2008-02-10 01:08 < LuciferTiger> okay, come on in then.
2008-02-10 01:08 < gwern> !admin: could you give me the deleted text of [[Xft]]?
2008-02-10 01:08 < dystopianray> do you have to speak english to be an admin?
2008-02-10 01:08 < LuciferTiger> just dont give the humans too much attention and no onw will protest
2008-02-10 01:09 < gwern> dystopianray: on en?
2008-02-10 01:09 < dystopianray> gwern: does each language have it's own sepearate administratosr?
2008-02-10 01:09 < Ceiling_Cat> dystopianray - yes
2008-02-10 01:09 < amidaniel> gwern: Where do you want it?
2008-02-10 01:09 < gwern> dystopianray: not just separate admins, they're basically separate projects
2008-02-10 01:09 < gwern> amidaniel: anywhere is fine - I doubt it's very long
2008-02-10 01:09 < MrZ-man|busy> gwern: it was a prod, it could just be undeleted
2008-02-10 01:10 < gwern> MrZ-man|busy: oh really? I wonder when that was added
2008-02-10 01:10 < gwern> amidaniel: alright then, undelete pls
2008-02-10 01:11 < Dtobias> It's frustrating to the Ruling Clique on enwp that they can't always dictate things to all the other languages.
2008-02-10 01:11 < gwern> Dtobias: they can try, but they can't depend on the translations...
2008-02-10 01:11 < amidaniel> gwern: Userfied to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gwern/Xft
2008-02-10 01:11 < gwern> besides, en is big enough that just ruling it is work enough
2008-02-10 01:12 < amidaniel> If you want it back in mainspace move it yourself ;)
2008-02-10 01:12 < Ceiling_Cat> Dtobias - as a member of that ruling clique in good standing, I have to say that you're way off base. Frankly, for the most part, we don't care what goes on on other language wikis
2008-02-10 01:12 < dystopianray> If an article is marked as not meeting notability guidelines how can I meet these guidelines?
2008-02-10 01:12 < Krimpet> Dtobias، نزولا الى القوس العذراء نحيل اليكم كافر.
2008-02-10 01:12 < gwern> amidaniel: duly noted. thanx
2008-02-10 01:13 < Ceiling_Cat> dystopianray - "how can I meet these guidelines" - I do not underestand this statement
2008-02-10 01:13 < Ceiling_Cat> do you mean how can you edit the article to make it fit the guidelines?
2008-02-10 01:13 < dystopianray> Ceiling_Cat: how can I show that an article is notable enough for wikipedia inclusion?
2008-02-10 01:13 < Dtobias> You're not a true cliqueista if you feel that way... the real clique cares about every site, even ones not run by WP (especially "Attack Sites") and is determined to eradicate the memes of banned users from the entire observable universe.
2008-02-10 01:13 < Ceiling_Cat> dystopianray - modify it to make it more clear why we should care about the article
2008-02-10 01:14 < Ceiling_Cat> and if you can't do so convincingly, then it is, in all likelihood, incapable of meeting the guidelines
2008-02-10 01:14 < Ceiling_Cat> and should be deleted.
2008-02-10 01:14 < dystopianray> Ceiling_Cat: If the article is about a band for example, how can one show that it is notable?
2008-02-10 01:14 < dystopianray> Ceiling_Cat: authoritative sources that mention it?
2008-02-10 01:15 < Ceiling_Cat> Dtobias - You're making a no-true-scotsman argument
2008-02-10 01:15 < Ceiling_Cat> I
2008-02-10 01:17 < Dtobias> Anybody still there?
2008-02-10 01:18 < dystopianray> I am
2008-02-10 01:18 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-02-10 01:18 < Dtobias> Good... I wondered if something happened to my connection.
2008-02-10 01:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Dtobias - you know who I am, right?
2008-02-10 01:19 < Dtobias> No, I'm not sure.
2008-02-10 01:19 < Ceiling_Cat> <--Raul654
2008-02-10 01:19 < Verichip> is there code for facebook links?
2008-02-10 01:19 < Ceiling_Cat> Verichip - what do you mean?
2008-02-10 01:19 < Ceiling_Cat> treat them link any other external link
2008-02-10 01:20 < Verichip> like here's a myspace version {{MySpace|blah blah|blah blah}}
2008-02-10 01:20 < Ceiling_Cat> no no no!
2008-02-10 01:20 < Ceiling_Cat> Don't use templates to do external links
2008-02-10 01:20 < dystopianray> if a band is a side project of a notable band, does this make the band notable?
2008-02-10 01:20 < gwern> why not? works well for imdb links
2008-02-10 01:21 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern - it's evil, it has seroius performance issues, it's a HUGE target for vandals
2008-02-10 01:21 < Ceiling_Cat> if used often enough, it will cause pages not to render
2008-02-10 01:21 < amidaniel> Why do we have a template to link to myspace? :|
2008-02-10 01:21 < Ceiling_Cat> need I go on?
2008-02-10 01:21 * amidaniel stabs
2008-02-10 01:22 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: so you sprotect it. templates are always huge targets
2008-02-10 01:22 < Ceiling_Cat> (oh, and it if of literally no benefit at all)
2008-02-10 01:22 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: in case you haven't noticed, WP is a HUGE target for vandals
2008-02-10 01:22 < gwern> maybe we should knock off this WP thing
2008-02-10 01:23 < Verichip> define vandal
2008-02-10 01:23 < gwern> dunno. I remember using the Wookiepedia template, and that was of huge benefit when Wikia moved around. instead of fixing bajillions of broken ext links...
2008-02-10 01:23 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern - somehow, I don't think myspace and imdb are going anywhere anytime soon
2008-02-10 01:25 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muhammad&curid=18934&diff=190340252&oldid=190287029
2008-02-10 01:26 < OverlordQ> gwern: well that just shows how stupid wikia is run :P
2008-02-10 01:26 < Ceiling_Cat> Does that edit make sense to anyone?
2008-02-10 01:26 < Ceiling_Cat> the Qur'an does not overtly describe Muhammad performing miracles, and the supreme miracle of Muhammad is finally identified with the Qur�an itself
2008-02-10 01:26 < Ceiling_Cat> I cannot parse that sentence...
2008-02-10 01:26 < TheWeasel> quand je pense à Fernande/je bande/je bande/quand je pense à Félicie, je bande aussi
2008-02-10 01:26 < TheWeasel> Nm.
2008-02-10 01:27 < Ceiling_Cat> aha
2008-02-10 01:27 < Ceiling_Cat> if you change "with" to "as" it makes sense
2008-02-10 01:28 < Ceiling_Cat> whoever wrote that is probably not a native english speaker
2008-02-10 01:28 < TheWeasel> I think the biggest problem in many NN speakers is not lack of knowledge but overconfidence.
2008-02-10 01:29 < TheWeasel> that spurns sentences like the above
2008-02-10 01:29 < slashem> well we do tell them to be bold
2008-02-10 01:29 < TheWeasel> *spawns
2008-02-10 01:29 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-02-10 01:29 < slashem> and i've seen worse from supposedly native speakers
2008-02-10 01:29 < TheWeasel> but they construct things they're not really able to
2008-02-10 01:29 < TheWeasel> "alot worse" :-P
2008-02-10 01:30 < Ceiling_Cat> I spend every working day surrounded by non-native speakers
2008-02-10 01:30 * TheWeasel finds an odd error in de.wiki, over and over again
2008-02-10 01:30 < Ceiling_Cat> The word "the" *KILLS* chinese speakers
2008-02-10 01:30 < TheWeasel> which had never occurred to me
2008-02-10 01:30 < slashem> it kills a lot of non-english speakers
2008-02-10 01:31 < slashem> isn't used in russian as far as I can tell
2008-02-10 01:31 < TheWeasel> Articles on Slavic topics regularly have an underpopulation of articles.
2008-02-10 01:31 < TheWeasel> grammatical articles
2008-02-10 01:31 < slashem> yeah a little unclear dual usage there weasel :-)
2008-02-10 01:31 < TheWeasel> a/the
2008-02-10 01:31 < TheWeasel> ...an odd error on de.wiki
2008-02-10 01:32 < TheWeasel> people write "among one of the largest..."
2008-02-10 01:32 < TheWeasel> instead of "among the largest" or "one of the largest"
2008-02-10 01:32 < Ceiling_Cat> that reminds me
2008-02-10 01:32 < Ceiling_Cat> the ARL finally published my report
2008-02-10 01:32 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.arl.army.mil/www/default.cfm?Action=17&Page=239&TRAction=GetAbstract&ReportID=1527&Topic=TechnicalReports&Year=2007&txttype=year&txt=none
2008-02-10 01:32 < amidaniel> ARL?
2008-02-10 01:33 < amidaniel> Ah :)
2008-02-10 01:33 < Ceiling_Cat> The Army Research Lab
2008-02-10 01:33 < Ceiling_Cat> much of that will form the basis of my master's thesis
2008-02-10 01:33 < Ceiling_Cat> I started this week. I got 52 pages in one day
2008-02-10 01:34 < Ceiling_Cat> stiching together old stuff I had written
2008-02-10 01:34 < slashem> raul you aren't working on a PhD?
2008-02-10 01:34 < Ceiling_Cat> yes
2008-02-10 01:34 < Ceiling_Cat> but I'm doing a master's thesis along the way
2008-02-10 01:34 < slashem> why?
2008-02-10 01:34 < Ceiling_Cat> think of a master's thesis like a parachute
2008-02-10 01:34 < Ceiling_Cat> if you go crazy and decide you can't take grad school anymore
2008-02-10 01:34 < Ceiling_Cat> having a masters thesis means you don't walk away empty handed
2008-02-10 01:34 < slashem> my friends did master's theses AFTER they failed their quals
2008-02-10 01:35 < Ceiling_Cat> Oh, I passed my qual. I had one of the highest scores the year I took it
2008-02-10 01:35 < Ceiling_Cat> (if not the highest)
2008-02-10 01:35 < slashem> well I'm surprised you would do a master's thesis just for insurance, given how long it takes to do PhD already
2008-02-10 01:36 < Ceiling_Cat> the one time I messed up was when I was asked to go to the board and do a circuit analysis question
2008-02-10 01:36 < Ceiling_Cat> my circuit-foo is very bad
2008-02-10 01:36 < slashem> I think that should be circuit-fu
2008-02-10 01:37 < blickr> Hmm. Maybe I'd like to subscribe to an RSS feed of my watch list (say on Google Reader). To do that, I'd need to log in, but Google Reader can't log in for me... Is this doable?
2008-02-10 01:37 < TheWeasel> the qi of my connection is very bad
2008-02-10 01:37 < slashem> blickr: not that I know of
2008-02-10 01:37 * Ceiling_Cat shrugs
2008-02-10 01:37 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't understand that RSS jazz
2008-02-10 01:37 < slashem> you can subscribe to RSS feeds of pages individually
2008-02-10 01:38 < slashem> so you could build up a reader list of everything on your watchlist but that would be tedious to set up
2008-02-10 01:38 < blickr> Ceiling_Cat, Reader is nice app, I recommend it to friends.
2008-02-10 01:39 < Ceiling_Cat> Reader?
2008-02-10 01:39 < slashem> I actually don't have much experience with RSS readers, but Google Reader works ok with me
2008-02-10 01:39 < slashem> Ceiling_Cat: Google reader is a web app that reads rss feeds
2008-02-10 01:39 < blickr> Ceiling_Cat, http://www.google.com/reader/
2008-02-10 01:40 < blickr> slashem, thanks for the idea; I think that would work. (I also think it'd be a good idea to make an easier way to do it...)
2008-02-10 01:40 < slashem> well, you can suggest it, but lord knows when it would get done
2008-02-10 01:41 < ceil420> in [[Ox_(zodiac)]], i don't think it's lunar month is February 3 to January 22 :o
2008-02-10 01:41 < slashem> that should be lunar year
2008-02-10 01:41 < slashem> Ox is a year, not a month
2008-02-10 01:42 < blickr> Hmm - it might be a fun project to work on.
2008-02-10 01:42 < ceil420> slashem, negative
2008-02-10 01:42 < ceil420> the zodiac animals apply to year, month, and hour
2008-02-10 01:42 < ceil420> (well, "large hour"; they get 2hrs apiece)
2008-02-10 01:42 * TheWeasel is a pig
2008-02-10 01:42 < ceil420> but Feb 3 - Jan 22 is not a month in any sense of the word :o
2008-02-10 01:42 < slashem> I am not understanding you. A lunar year is quite possible to span Feb 3 to Jan 22
2008-02-10 01:43 < slashem> whereas a lunar month cannot.
2008-02-10 01:43 < slashem> therefore the simplest correction is to assume they were talking about the lunar year
2008-02-10 01:43 < slashem> tell and not that they got their months backwards (which would be a twelve day month)
2008-02-10 01:43 < ceil420> slashem, the Rat article correctly lists it's Lunar Month as Dec 7 - Jan 5
2008-02-10 01:44 * brown_cat sends an email out on foundation-l
2008-02-10 01:44 < slashem> well now that would be a different article, wouldn't it?
2008-02-10 01:44 < ceil420> according to my notes, the Lunar Month of the Ox is Jan 6 to Feb 3
2008-02-10 01:44 < slashem> I think you are not understanding me now.
2008-02-10 01:44 < ceil420> it's a series of articles on the different animals of the zodiac
2008-02-10 01:44 < slashem> and you are assuming, what, the same author is responsible for both texts?
2008-02-10 01:44 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Helmuth H�bener]]
2008-02-10 01:44 < Ceiling_Cat> On 11 August 1942, H�bener's case was tried at the Volksgerichtshof in Berlin, and on 27 October, at the age of 17, he was beheaded at Pl�tzensee Prison in Berlin. His two friends, Schnibbe and Wobbe, who had also been arrested, were given lengthy prison sentences of 5 and 10 years respectively.
2008-02-10 01:45 < ceil420> no, only that both follow the same syntax (which they do in every other regard)