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2008-02-07 20:18 < }{obbes> White_Cat: No, I'm suggesting that the state makes no laws concerning marriage. If you want to say you're married to your sister, the state will neither support nor hinder you. But if you try to force her in any way or if you try to have sex with her, the state will punish you.
2008-02-07 20:18 < Warpath> White_Cat, :O
2008-02-07 20:18 < }{obbes> White_Cat: In the eyes of the state, she will be your sister - not your wife.
2008-02-07 20:18 < White_Cat> }{obbes what if I make a lot of money with her help but then decide to keep it to myself and abandone her?
2008-02-07 20:19 < White_Cat> and I dont mean sex trade money
2008-02-07 20:19 < White_Cat> legitemate money
2008-02-07 20:19 < White_Cat> say I have 8 houses and she is left with the clothes she is wearing.
2008-02-07 20:19 < White_Cat> how can she seek rights of any kind?
2008-02-07 20:19 < }{obbes> Then you've likely comitted fraud or she has been careless in helping you without getting rewarded for her help.
2008-02-07 20:20 < White_Cat> }{obbes she wasnt my job partner or anything
2008-02-07 20:20 < White_Cat> I made all the money
2008-02-07 20:20 < White_Cat> itstead of going to colledge she married me
2008-02-07 20:20 < }{obbes> White_Cat: But I do not say that the state should not recognize relationships of any kind - I merely contest your claim that removing state sanction of marriages leads to sex slavery.
2008-02-07 20:20 < White_Cat> just an example story
2008-02-07 20:21 < White_Cat> }{obbes in the extreme xases it will
2008-02-07 20:21 < White_Cat> not every women and men alike will be sex slaves the next day
2008-02-07 20:21 < }{obbes> Just like "in the extreme cases allowing people to drive cars will result in deaths".
2008-02-07 20:21 < }{obbes> Yes.
2008-02-07 20:21 < pinkxels> dicks
2008-02-07 20:21 < White_Cat> besides you need slave masters, which will be Warpath
2008-02-07 20:21 < White_Cat> }{obbes in genreal sexuality is more prone to abuse
2008-02-07 20:22 < White_Cat> and driving is regulated
2008-02-07 20:22 < White_Cat> you need to pass tests and etc to get a driving license
2008-02-07 20:22 < }{obbes> So is sexuality. And personal relationships.
2008-02-07 20:22 < White_Cat> people arent allowed to drive unless they comply with state standards
2008-02-07 20:22 < White_Cat> PRs and Sexual relationships arent regulated
2008-02-07 20:22 < White_Cat> so long as you have consent, its ok
2008-02-07 20:22 < }{obbes> Anyway, I do in fact think that the state should recognize civil unions between two persons for exactly those reasons.
2008-02-07 20:23 < }{obbes> However, I do not think it should have anything to do with religion.
2008-02-07 20:23 < White_Cat> people often start prostitution after undergoing severe brainwashing on the pimps part
2008-02-07 20:23 < White_Cat> oh no
2008-02-07 20:23 < White_Cat> not religion
2008-02-07 20:23 < White_Cat> state and religion should never meet
2008-02-07 20:23 < }{obbes> And I see no reason whatsoever why totally removing recognition should lead to sex slavery.
2008-02-07 20:24 < }{obbes> White_Cat: That is how it is in most Western countries today.
2008-02-07 20:24 < White_Cat> medeval era tought us that
2008-02-07 20:24 < White_Cat> }{obbes I dont think religion has anything to do with it
2008-02-07 20:24 < }{obbes> The state recognizes certain religious institutions to perform marriages.
2008-02-07 20:24 < White_Cat> a hindu and a budhist can marry each other
2008-02-07 20:24 < White_Cat> }{obbes yes
2008-02-07 20:24 < White_Cat> and thats not the only way
2008-02-07 20:24 < White_Cat> thats mostly tradition
2008-02-07 20:24 < }{obbes> And for religious reasons, states favour heterosexual unions.
2008-02-07 20:25 < White_Cat> }{obbes again a tradition issue
2008-02-07 20:25 < RichiH> }{obbes: no, in most western countries, religious and state marriages are fully detached
2008-02-07 20:25 < }{obbes> I envision a system where any two (or three or four) people would be able to enter into a civil union granting the legal rights of what is today called marriage.
2008-02-07 20:25 < White_Cat> }{obbes like in saudi arabia
2008-02-07 20:25 < White_Cat> ?
2008-02-07 20:25 < RichiH> }{obbes: read friday by robert a heinlein
2008-02-07 20:26 < }{obbes> White_Cat: No. Saudi Arabia doesn't allow two people of the same sex to enter into a civil union.
2008-02-07 20:26 < RichiH> and the lazarus long books
2008-02-07 20:26 < White_Cat> }{obbes well
2008-02-07 20:26 < White_Cat> they do promptly execute them
2008-02-07 20:26 < OverlordQ> I think that's a hangin over there
2008-02-07 20:26 < White_Cat> so... that is kind of a union
2008-02-07 20:26 < }{obbes> RichiH: Nah, I won't read two books just to know what you think.
2008-02-07 20:26 < }{obbes> White_Cat: That's perverse.
2008-02-07 20:26 < White_Cat> tell it to the saudis
2008-02-07 20:27 < RichiH> }{obbes: i was referring to your thoughts, not mine
2008-02-07 20:27 < RichiH> namely, the concept of chain marriages
2008-02-07 20:27 < RichiH> White_Cat: you were the one who made fun of it, not them. so your argument may appear valid for a split second, but not more
2008-02-07 20:27 < White_Cat> }{obbes having 4 men and 7 women marry each others may lead to problems
2008-02-07 20:28 < White_Cat> RichiH I did not make fun of them
2008-02-07 20:28 < White_Cat> merely sateted a fact
2008-02-07 20:28 < White_Cat> *stated
2008-02-07 20:28 < }{obbes> White_Cat: So may having one man and one wife.
2008-02-07 20:29 < }{obbes> Anyway, I'm off to bed now.
2008-02-07 20:29 < }{obbes> Seing as how it's in the middle of the night here.
2008-02-07 20:29 < White_Cat> with 4 men and 7 women? :o
2008-02-07 20:29 < }{obbes> I wish.
2008-02-07 20:33 < RichiH> White_Cat: the way you did it, you definitely made fun of the fact
2008-02-07 20:33 < White_Cat> I was not having fun
2008-02-07 20:33 < White_Cat> :P
2008-02-07 20:33 < RichiH> qed
2008-02-07 20:34 < White_Cat> RichiH in any case iran saudi arabia indonesia like ccountries dont have any tolerance forhomosexuality
2008-02-07 20:46 < Mark_Ryan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Gang -- is this a notable/verifiable subject?
2008-02-07 20:47 < zvook> follow the links and see.
2008-02-07 20:50 < zvook> it's had a lot of different editors. none of whom saw fit to remove that apostrophe in the second sentence.
2008-02-07 20:51 < zvook> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Casliber/Flaming_Joel-wiki wheeeeeee
2008-02-07 20:51 < Mark_Ryan> I just saw that too :P
2008-02-07 20:51 < Mark_Ryan> the misplaced apostrophe
2008-02-07 20:51 < Mark_Ryan> i wish there could be some sort of punishment for poor grammar.
2008-02-07 20:51 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-02-07 20:51 < Messedrocker> you have your edits edited
2008-02-07 20:52 * Mark_Ryan prepares to slap several cleanup templates on the article
2008-02-07 20:52 < Messedrocker> or you could just clean up the edits yourself
2008-02-07 20:52 < Mark_Ryan> I mean for more citations etc.
2008-02-07 20:55 * Messedrocker can't wait until his cruiiiisse
2008-02-07 20:57 < zvook> {{strunk stick}}
2008-02-07 20:57 < Messedrocker> {{lets get crunk up in this bitch}}
2008-02-07 20:58 < zvook> lol
2008-02-07 20:58 < zvook> grammar warning {{ {{lets get Strunk up in this bitch}} ??
2008-02-07 20:58 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan
2008-02-07 20:58 < White_Cat> good
2008-02-07 21:20 < autocracy> !admin http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Tyrael15
2008-02-07 21:21 < autocracy> "Tyrael15 on blacklist, added by User:Neil at 12:28:21 11-Dec-2007 UTC, "Autoblacklist: Continuing to upload copyrighted images as own work despite numerous warnings, no response to any messages, final warning before indef", Expires 12:28:21 11-Mar-2008 UTC"
2008-02-07 21:25 < Luna-San> "Chicks will drive mad with you if you enlarge your instrument"
2008-02-07 21:25 < Luna-San> Hmmm
2008-02-07 21:26 < Messedrocker> luna i say go for it :P
2008-02-07 21:30 * White_Cat elargens the trombone
2008-02-07 21:30 * White_Cat observes no chick outcry
2008-02-07 21:33 < White_Cat> oh wait
2008-02-07 21:33 < White_Cat> nevermind
2008-02-07 21:33 < White_Cat> here is FloNight
2008-02-07 21:33 < White_Cat> Luna-San your theory works
2008-02-07 21:34 < Cyrius> autocracy: google image search appears to turn the image up on http://www.geocities.com/peru_defensa_nacional_extra/pages/industria_de_defensa.htm
2008-02-07 21:34 < Cyrius> but said page is over its quota and unloadable
2008-02-07 21:34 < autocracy> Cyrius: reported the same to AIV
2008-02-07 21:34 < autocracy> Cyrius: i loaded it and confirmed it
2008-02-07 21:34 < Cyrius> oh, okay then
2008-02-07 21:34 < autocracy> Cyrius: http://www.edicionesespeciales.elmercurio.com/especiales/famae/images/galerias/productos/fusil_SG_542.jpg
2008-02-07 21:35 < Cyrius> some people just can't get the concept of copyright through their heads
2008-02-07 21:35 < autocracy> [[Image:Fusil SG 542.jpg]] posted the wrong csd for it, but...
2008-02-07 21:35 < autocracy> it needs to go
2008-02-07 21:37 < Nakon> autocracy: blocked
2008-02-07 21:37 < Cyrius> guess I won't do it then =)
2008-02-07 21:37 < Cyrius> I nuked the image
2008-02-07 21:38 < Cyrius> who's writing a polite yet nasty comment to him?
2008-02-07 21:38 < autocracy> Cyrius: see his talk page
2008-02-07 21:38 < autocracy> I think I've covered it.
2008-02-07 21:39 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan
2008-02-07 21:39 < White_Cat> pm
2008-02-07 21:39 < Cyrius> autocracy: I meant a "goodbye and good riddance" sort of thing
2008-02-07 21:39 < Nakon> I'll leave him one
2008-02-07 21:39 < autocracy> kk
2008-02-07 21:46 < GaryKing> For whoever has used the Wikipedia API, is it possible to edit articles using it yet?
2008-02-07 21:46 < GaryKing> According to the wiki for the API, it's not yet possible, but I would like confirmation.
2008-02-07 21:50 < Messedrocker> POLSKA
2008-02-07 21:51 < Gracenotes> GaryKing: possible, but not enabled on Wikimedia wikis
2008-02-07 21:52 < Gracenotes> so, basically, no...
2008-02-07 21:52 < Gracenotes> one must use index.php :|
2008-02-07 21:52 < GaryKing> Gracenotes: Ah, so it's possible only if I run MediaWiki myself, for that specific wiki's API?
2008-02-07 21:52 < GaryKing> Gracenotes: index.php? how do I use that?
2008-02-07 21:52 < GaryKing> Gracenotes: it has an api for updating articles?
2008-02-07 21:52 < Gracenotes> yes, if you're running the most recent version
2008-02-07 21:52 < Gracenotes> GaryKing: index.php is the web interface for editing (you know, using the form)
2008-02-07 21:53 < Gracenotes> which can be emulated by making an HTTP request with certain parameters.
2008-02-07 21:53 < GaryKing> Gracenotes: how do I redirect it back to my application when the update is done?
2008-02-07 21:53 < Gracenotes> wpSummary = edit summary, wpTextbox1 = text you want to submit, etc.
2008-02-07 21:53 < Gracenotes> GaryKing: what do you mean?
2008-02-07 21:54 < GaryKing> Gracenotes: Hm, I guess what you are saying I should do is use POST to submit the data to Wikipedia in the background of my application?
2008-02-07 21:54 < Gracenotes> that's what all Wikipedia-editing applications do, yes.
2008-02-07 21:54 < Gracenotes> I'm not sure when they'll enable the API for editing
2008-02-07 21:55 < Gracenotes> I guess it needs to be tested more thoroughly
2008-02-07 21:55 < Gracenotes> (if you wish, you could ask on #wikimedia-tech)
2008-02-07 21:56 < Gracenotes> GaryKing: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php for what you need to submit with index.php
2008-02-07 21:56 < you-suck> hi at all
2008-02-07 21:56 < you-suck> how is everyone tonight?
2008-02-07 21:56 < Gracenotes> by contrast, you can see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Edit_-_Create%26Edit_pages for the API say
2008-02-07 21:56 < Gracenotes> you-suck: fine
2008-02-07 21:57 < you-suck> what did you say?
2008-02-07 21:57 < you-suck> you said that i suck fine?
2008-02-07 21:57 < Snowolf> Gracenotes: he's faster :P
2008-02-07 21:57 < autocracy> community thoughts: [[Canonical synthesis]] -- redir to [[Database normalization]], or write in link?
2008-02-07 21:57 < Gracenotes> which would be possible if we hadn't banned him, but, eh.
2008-02-07 21:57 < Huntster> *rolls eyes* Couldn't see that coming.
2008-02-07 21:58 * ska dances the ska
2008-02-07 21:58 < Gracenotes> autocracy: is it the same as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. normalization?
2008-02-07 21:59 < Monobi> You're fast
2008-02-07 21:59 < Starnestommy> gah
2008-02-07 21:59 < autocracy> wow
2008-02-07 21:59 < autocracy> guess that worked out for him
2008-02-07 21:59 < Starnestommy> I hope freenode switches to an ircd that can block that
2008-02-07 21:59 < autocracy> Starnestommy: I thought they did block it. I'm sure they at least used to
2008-02-07 21:59 < Nakon> Starnestommy: or just get the vulnerable people to update their routers or switch ports
2008-02-07 21:59 * autocracy wonders why that has an effect
2008-02-07 22:00 < autocracy> Gracenotes: pretty much, as far as I can tell
2008-02-07 22:00 < Krimpet> autocracy: it's a fairly dumb bug on the part of linksys, etc.
2008-02-07 22:01 < Gracenotes> they're not routers, actually
2008-02-07 22:01 < Gracenotes> they analyze application-layer protocols, for *cough* security reasons
2008-02-07 22:01 < Gracenotes> so they're more :<
2008-02-07 22:02 * Krimpet is in ur protocols, analyzin ur security
2008-02-07 22:02 < Gracenotes> autocracy: may as well redirect and mention it in the normalization article
2008-02-07 22:02 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Talk:Main_Page#Candidate_craziness]]
2008-02-07 22:02 < Gracenotes> does canonical synthesis apply to all databases, or just relational ones?
2008-02-07 22:02 < Ceiling_Cat> Sorry - I could not help myself
2008-02-07 22:03 * Gracenotes pokes autocracy
2008-02-07 22:03 < autocracy> Gracenotes: existing page, and whatever litlte else I know about the term, specifically says relational
2008-02-07 22:03 * autocracy sets up a redir
2008-02-07 22:03 < Gracenotes> oh, yes, I can read, by the way :P
2008-02-07 22:04 < Gracenotes> must have skimmed over the relational part...
2008-02-07 22:04 < autocracy> Gracenotes: you asked, I told you what I knew ;)
2008-02-07 22:04 < Gracenotes> no, I somehow missed it. >.< perhaps mention "Canonical synthesis" in the lead of normalization?
2008-02-07 22:05 * Therapist_Cat huggles Gracenotes
2008-02-07 22:06 * Gracenotes pays $80/hour to Therapist_Cat
2008-02-07 22:07 * Therapist_Cat invites Gracenotes to sit down on the couch
2008-02-07 22:07 * Gracenotes sits down on the couch anxiously
2008-02-07 22:09 < autocracy> The... Rapist... Cat... run Gracenotes!
2008-02-07 22:09 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: [[Image:GodKillingYoungkitten.JPG]]? :)
2008-02-07 22:09 < Gracenotes> autocracy: hm? I'm waiting for the Therapist_Cat to assuage me of my recent traumatic experience
2008-02-07 22:10 < Gracenotes> I'm feeling very unsettled at the moment
2008-02-07 22:10 * The_rapist_cat locks the door
2008-02-07 22:10 < Gracenotes> and feel that someone with a PhD on their door will... uh...
2008-02-07 22:10 < Gracenotes> *wall
2008-02-07 22:10 < autocracy> Krimpet: I gotta say... that seems to qualify for a deletion....
2008-02-07 22:11 < Krimpet> autocracy: what? :p
2008-02-07 22:11 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Image:GodKillingYoungkitten.JPG]]
2008-02-07 22:13 < ozymandias> so I saw on slashdot that the mormons are being wacky again, this time upset that pictures of mohammed are on wikipedia and people were bowing to the requests of the religious to remove them.. So i go to the article, and I was supprised to see that the pictures are these tiny little blurry things.
2008-02-07 22:13 < ozymandias> goes to show you the silly little things people get upset by these days
2008-02-07 22:14 < autocracy> ozymandias: mormons, eh?
2008-02-07 22:14 < ozymandias> whoopsie
2008-02-07 22:14 < ozymandias> lol
2008-02-07 22:14 < autocracy> Utah must just be RAGING over Mohammed photos? :-P
2008-02-07 22:14 < ozymandias> muslims
2008-02-07 22:14 < ozymandias> wow
2008-02-07 22:15 < ozymandias> oh well, one crazy religion boils down to the same thing as the next
2008-02-07 22:15 < autocracy> ozymandias: ehh, whatever. somebody find me duck. i think she's a witch.
2008-02-07 22:16 < ozymandias> oooo
2008-02-07 22:16 < ozymandias> wait
2008-02-07 22:16 < ozymandias> so are all ducks witches?
2008-02-07 22:16 < ozymandias> they ALL weigh as much as a duck...
2008-02-07 22:18 < Mark_Ryan> omg Ceiling_Cat is on OTRS
2008-02-07 22:19 < autocracy> Mark_Ryan: and, he weighs as much as a duck.
2008-02-07 22:21 * Therapist_cat facehuggles Mark_Ryan
2008-02-07 22:37 < quanticle> OTRS?
2008-02-07 22:38 < Snowolf> quanticle: what about it?
2008-02-07 22:38 < quanticle> What is it?
2008-02-07 22:38 < Nakon> quanticle: open ticket response system
2008-02-07 22:38 < Nakon> [[OTRS]]
2008-02-07 22:38 < Krimpet> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OTRS
2008-02-07 22:38 < Snowolf> [[OTRS]] for the software, [[WP:OTRS]] for our use of it
2008-02-07 22:38 < Krimpet> it's the folks that handle the WMF's e-mail
2008-02-07 22:38 < quanticle> Gotcha.
2008-02-07 22:39 < quanticle> Thansk
2008-02-07 22:39 < quanticle> *Thanks.
2008-02-07 22:39 < Pilotguy> -o
2008-02-07 22:40 * b4str8chiBF hugs JohnReaves
2008-02-07 22:41 * quanticle wonders if b4str8chiBF was 13375p33k or random
2008-02-07 22:41 < zvook> does this link http://www.biurams.lt/cristina-scabbia-biography.html ( from [[cristina scabbia]] ) redirect to a porn site for you guys?
2008-02-07 22:41 < JohnReaves> o hai?
2008-02-07 22:42 < quanticle> zvook: Ya. You're damn lucky I'm not at work.
2008-02-07 22:42 < Nakon> Pilotguy: that was a valid question, it does
2008-02-07 22:42 < FastLizard4> wtf is going on here?
2008-02-07 22:42 < JohnReaves> not for #wikipedia
2008-02-07 22:42 < quanticle> Nakon: He shouldn't have posted the link.
2008-02-07 22:42 < quanticle> Nakon: If it redirects for you, its to risky for a SFW channel such as this.
2008-02-07 22:43 < Krimpet> ...he did specifically say "porn site" though -_-
2008-02-07 22:43 < Pilotguy> Actually Nakon is right
2008-02-07 22:43 * quanticle chuckles at szczepan's nick
2008-02-07 22:43 < Krimpet> it seems a bit heavy-handed
2008-02-07 22:43 < Pilotguy> Next time is out though
2008-02-07 22:45 < Undeference> <img src="lacuna-band.jpg" alt="Lacuna Coil" border="0" onMouseOver="parent.location='somerandomnsfwsite'" />
2008-02-07 22:45 * Therapist_cat facehuggles quanticle
2008-02-07 22:45 * Ceiling_Cat watches
2008-02-07 22:46 * quanticle huggles Therapist_Cat
2008-02-07 22:46 * quanticle gives Ceiling_Cat the finger
2008-02-07 22:46 * The_rapist_cat locks the door
2008-02-07 22:46 * quanticle knifes The_rapist_cat
2008-02-07 22:46 < Therapist_Cat> :)
2008-02-07 22:46 * FastLizard4 reports The_rapist_cat to the FBI
2008-02-07 22:47 < Pilotguy> erm right
2008-02-07 22:47 < quanticle> FastLizard4: The Internet: Where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI agents.
2008-02-07 22:47 < FastLizard4> X-D
2008-02-07 22:47 * Ceiling_Cat needs to print out directions to Pittsburgh
2008-02-07 22:48 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Why are you going to rust belt central?
2008-02-07 22:48 < zvook> pardon me fer trying to help
2008-02-07 22:48 < JohnReaves> Asking about a porn site isn't very useful
2008-02-07 22:49 < Nakon> JohnReaves: it was being used as a ref in the first line of the article
2008-02-07 22:49 < zvook> not asking about a porn site, asking if the redirect was actual, or something just on my PC
2008-02-07 22:49 < JohnReaves> Ooooh
2008-02-07 22:49 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, I feel bad for you. Florida sucks.
2008-02-07 22:49 < zvook> i linked to the fucking article
2008-02-07 22:49 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - NAQT sectionals
2008-02-07 22:49 < Ceiling_Cat> @ U. Pitt
2008-02-07 22:49 < JohnReaves> Bad Pilotguy, bad!
2008-02-07 22:49 < Ceiling_Cat> unfortunately, they very unwisely decided to give U. Pitt the mid-atlantic region bid
2008-02-07 22:50 < Pilotguy> :'(
2008-02-07 22:50 < Ceiling_Cat> so now all the east coast universities (which more-or-less all lie within 5 miles of I-95) have to go all the way to western pennsylvania
2008-02-07 22:50 < Ceiling_Cat> it was a very poor decision
2008-02-07 22:51 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: NAQT?
2008-02-07 22:51 < Ceiling_Cat> [[NAQT]]
2008-02-07 22:52 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Awesome.
2008-02-07 22:52 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Individual or team?
2008-02-07 22:52 < quanticle> Never mind.
2008-02-07 22:52 < Ceiling_Cat> Team
2008-02-07 22:52 * quanticle needs to read the article before commenting
2008-02-07 22:53 < Ceiling_Cat> as an individual, I'm a moderately good player - I'm usually in the top third at tournaments
2008-02-07 22:53 < privatemusings> who was australia's first prime minister?
2008-02-07 22:53 < Ceiling_Cat> I can't say I know that one off the top of my head
2008-02-07 22:53 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm pretty good with recent ones
2008-02-07 22:53 < Ceiling_Cat> (Kevin Rudd recently defeated John Howard)
2008-02-07 22:53 < privatemusings> yup
2008-02-07 22:54 < Monobi> Ceiling_Cat, pennsylvania is the best state.
2008-02-07 22:54 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Pretty sound defeat too.
2008-02-07 22:54 < privatemusings> what year did Zimbabwe gain idependance?
2008-02-07 22:54 < quanticle> Monobi: I strongly disagree.
2008-02-07 22:54 < Ceiling_Cat> 1968?
2008-02-07 22:54 < Monobi> Then what's the best?
2008-02-07 22:54 < privatemusings> later
2008-02-07 22:54 < Ceiling_Cat> 75?
2008-02-07 22:54 < privatemusings> getting closer...
2008-02-07 22:54 * Ceiling_Cat shrugs
2008-02-07 22:54 < quanticle> Monobi: Hmmm, that's a tough one. I'd say Connecticut.
2008-02-07 22:54 < privatemusings> 80
2008-02-07 22:55 < Clinton_08> Ceiling_Cat!!!!
2008-02-07 22:55 < Ceiling_Cat> the big three are science, history, and lit
2008-02-07 22:55 < Monobi> quanticle, the north east is the best region.
2008-02-07 22:55 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm moderately good at science and history, but admittedly poor at lit
2008-02-07 22:55 < privatemusings> what's the difference between ammonia and ammonium?
2008-02-07 22:55 * privatemusings is pretending he's a show host...!
2008-02-07 22:55 < Ceiling_Cat> ammonium has an extra nitrogen atom, IIRC
2008-02-07 22:55 < quanticle> Monobi: Despite my constant complaints about the weather, I rather like living in Minnesota.
2008-02-07 22:55 < privatemusings> two points to that cat!
2008-02-07 22:56 < Monobi> quanticle, you live in Minnesota?
2008-02-07 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> privatemusings - although quiz bowl typically has what's called a pyramidal strucutre
2008-02-07 22:56 < privatemusings> how does that work?
2008-02-07 22:56 < Monobi> quanticle, Minnesota sucks. Period.
2008-02-07 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> 3-4 sentences per question, with the hardest clues first, and the easiest clues last
2008-02-07 22:56 < privatemusings> oh - and you interrupt?
2008-02-07 22:56 < quanticle> Monobi: Its rather nice, if you're cold tolerant.
2008-02-07 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> yes
2008-02-07 22:56 < Ceiling_Cat> the key is to learn the obscure clues
2008-02-07 22:56 < Monobi> quanticle, it's rather nice, if you're a polar bear.
2008-02-07 22:57 < quanticle> Monobi: If you're not cold tolerant, well, you'll learn to be cold tolerant real soon.
2008-02-07 22:57 < Ceiling_Cat> for example, "one breasted goddess" is a dead-giveaway for Lakshmi
2008-02-07 22:57 < Monobi> quanticle, never have been, never will be.
2008-02-07 22:57 < Ceiling_Cat> I beat Freeburg and Wang on that one
2008-02-07 22:57 < privatemusings> not surprised...
2008-02-07 22:57 < privatemusings> that's pretty specific!
2008-02-07 22:57 < Ceiling_Cat> yes, but it's really obscure
2008-02-07 22:57 < Ceiling_Cat> so it tends to come as the first clue
2008-02-07 22:57 < Monobi> quanticle, do you live around the twin cities?
2008-02-07 22:58 < quanticle> Monobi: But other than the horrid weather, Minnesota is quite nice. House prices are stable, schools are good, government's clean, people are decent.
2008-02-07 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> the best buzzes in quiz bowl history were:
2008-02-07 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> "It's pretext..."
2008-02-07 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> Buzz - the Crimean war
2008-02-07 22:58 < privatemusings> random luck!
2008-02-07 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> and the only one better than that
2008-02-07 22:58 < Monobi> quanticle, hardly :S . The schools suck on a national level.
2008-02-07 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> "Extremism..."
2008-02-07 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> buzz - Barry Goldwater
2008-02-07 22:58 < privatemusings> heh!
2008-02-07 22:58 < privatemusings> i guess you get inside their heads...
2008-02-07 22:58 < privatemusings> and then it's straightforward...
2008-02-07 22:59 < Ceiling_Cat> those are *very* rare exceptions
2008-02-07 22:59 < Ceiling_Cat> buzzing on the first sentence is *very* hard to do
2008-02-07 22:59 < privatemusings> kinda like the first time you try the cryptic crossword
2008-02-07 22:59 < quanticle> Monobi: Not really. Minnesota public schools are consistently ranked in the top 10 on national rankings.
2008-02-07 22:59 < privatemusings> it's nonsense.
2008-02-07 22:59 < privatemusings> then after a while you just get it
2008-02-07 22:59 < Ceiling_Cat> I can do that maybe one time per tournament
2008-02-07 22:59 < Monobi> quanticle, ranked according to...?
2008-02-07 22:59 < quanticle> Monobi: Unless you're talking about colleges, in which case I'd sorta agree.
2008-02-07 22:59 < Ceiling_Cat> I did it with a question that started out "Sister Carlotta..."
2008-02-07 22:59 < Monobi> No, I'm talking about high schools, etc.
2008-02-07 22:59 < Ceiling_Cat> buzz - Ender's Shadow, Bean (you're allowed to give related information)
2008-02-07 23:00 < privatemusings> spot on!
2008-02-07 23:00 < privatemusings> good luck then - win it for the wiki!
2008-02-07 23:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Well, it depends on who is there
2008-02-07 23:00 < Ceiling_Cat> we'll probably be 5/5 or something
2008-02-07 23:01 < Ceiling_Cat> (we really, desperately need someone who knows Lit)
2008-02-07 23:02 < Monobi> Sleep, night.
2008-02-07 23:02 < privatemusings> is this lit as in everything lit?
2008-02-07 23:02 < privatemusings> does it get at all US centric?
2008-02-07 23:08 < LOUD_CAT> privatemusings - it depends
2008-02-07 23:09 * FastLizard4|Food quiets LOU
2008-02-07 23:09 < LOUD_CAT> different circuits have different difficulty levels
2008-02-07 23:09 < privatemusings> luck of the draw i guess (and geex, you're loud!)
2008-02-07 23:09 * FastLizard4|Food kills tab complete
2008-02-07 23:09 * FastLizard4|Food quiets LOUD_CAT
2008-02-07 23:10 < LOUD_CAT> there are three circuits - CBI, NAQT, and ACF
2008-02-07 23:10 < LOUD_CAT> CBI is the old 60's era televised college bowl. It has lots of bad questions, a quirky format, MUCH bureaucracy. NAQT and ACF formed to fix some of the more objectionable things
2008-02-07 23:11 < privatemusings> and you're doing NAQT soon.....
2008-02-07 23:11 < LOUD_CAT> NAQT is easier than ACF
2008-02-07 23:11 < privatemusings> ah - so you can win it for the wiki then, no?!
2008-02-07 23:11 < LOUD_CAT> ACF is the most difficult, most academically-oriented circuit.
2008-02-07 23:12 < Ceiling_Cat> http://quizbowl.stanford.edu/archive/
2008-02-07 23:12 < Ceiling_Cat> You can see tons and tons of old questions there
2008-02-07 23:12 < Ceiling_Cat> in fact, if you see the 2003 Baby Hen - I wrote most of that
2008-02-07 23:13 < privatemusings> Delaware novices?
2008-02-07 23:13 < Ceiling_Cat> It's a tournament for novicies - people who have never played quiz bowl
2008-02-07 23:14 < Ceiling_Cat> thus, the questions tend to be slightly shorter and substantially easier
2008-02-07 23:14 < Ceiling_Cat> and it's Delaware because we wrote the tournament :)
2008-02-07 23:15 < privatemusings> dammit - i'd suck!
2008-02-07 23:15 < privatemusings> but i think i'd get syphilis
2008-02-07 23:16 < privatemusings> if you know what i mean.... ;-)
2008-02-07 23:16 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Georgy Malenkov]] <-- this guy is always good to remember as the last surviving leader of the 1918 russian revolution
2008-02-07 23:35 < Ceiling_Cat> "Let me say that there's a good case that can be made that Lt. Worf is a black chinese american"
2008-02-07 23:36 < Ceiling_Cat> lol
2008-02-07 23:36 < Ceiling_Cat> Colbert is cracking me up tonight
2008-02-07 23:38 < FastLizard4|Food> wtf?
2008-02-07 23:40 < Ceiling_Cat> Colbert is playing Mike Huckabee in a game of airhockey with a map piece of texas
2008-02-07 23:52 * bumm13  
2008-02-07 23:52 * ALLSTARecho thinks Romney dropped out so Huckabee could get his votes.. they'll do anything to keep McCain out
2008-02-07 23:57 < bumm13> this should be part of a quiz bowl question/answer:
2008-02-07 23:58 < bumm13> "which biological function did this breed of dog engage in at the 1999 Westminster Dog Show in New York City?"
2008-02-07 23:58 < FastLizard4|Food> :O
2008-02-07 23:58 < zero1328> um.. barking?
2008-02-07 23:58 < bumm13> all dogs do that :P
2008-02-07 23:58 < Starnestommy> copulation?
2008-02-07 23:59 < bumm13> s/this breed/a certain German shorthaired pointer
2008-02-07 23:59 < bumm13> heh, no
2008-02-07 23:59 < Starnestommy> defecation>
2008-02-07 23:59 < zero1328> death!
2008-02-07 23:59 < bumm13> Starnestommy: yep
2008-02-08 00:02 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: the actual mike huckabee?
2008-02-08 00:02 < gwern> ...who's winning
2008-02-08 00:02 < gwern> excretion or reproduction pretty much covers all possibilities...
2008-02-08 00:02 < gwern> covered under reproduction
2008-02-08 00:02 < gwern> covered under excretion
2008-02-08 00:02 < gwern> excretion also covers breathing :)
2008-02-08 00:04 * White_Cat burries Ceiling_Cat under a pile of tribbles...
2008-02-08 00:04 < White_Cat> facehuggle this!
2008-02-08 00:04 < White_Cat> huckabee is a terbile last name
2008-02-08 00:04 < FastLizard4|Food> Tribbles!
2008-02-08 00:05 < FastTribble4> Heh, tribbles
2008-02-08 00:08 < FrikkinLazer> good moaning
2008-02-08 00:08 < bumm13> hi
2008-02-08 00:15 < TimVickers> Hi people, technical question, can anybody get [http://www.animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/photos_videos/britches.jpg] link to work, or is the problem with this just something with my computer?
2008-02-08 00:23 < zero1328> If you mean just accessing the picture, there seems to be nothing wrong..
2008-02-08 00:24 < zero1328> If it's about linking on the Wiki, then I can say that external links to images aren't really permitted
2008-02-08 00:24 < zero1328> That's not relevant to actually making it work, though
2008-02-08 00:26 < zero1328> Oh, if it's about displaying the image on the page, you can only do it to stuff that's interwiki..
2008-02-08 00:26 < TimVickers> OK, sorted now
2008-02-08 00:27 < zero1328> what'd you do?
2008-02-08 00:27 < zero1328> And what did you mean by "getting it to work" in the first place?
2008-02-08 00:28 < TimVickers> It was giving me a 403 error, no idea why since it was in the directory
2008-02-08 00:28 < TimVickers> Argument over wheter it was a broken link or not
2008-02-08 00:28 < zero1328> 403 means it's forbidden..
2008-02-08 00:28 < zero1328> Might've been a hotlink block or something
2008-02-08 00:29 < TimVickers> Yeah, but it started working randomly just now
2008-02-08 00:29 < TimVickers> It was in reference to a discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Lantern_books_and_Animal_Liberation_Front_references
2008-02-08 00:30 * FastTribble4 is up to 2 edits/minute in AWB!
2008-02-08 00:30 < White_Cat> FastTribble4 I hope you have a bot flag
2008-02-08 00:30 < White_Cat> or else youll be blocked so hard it wont be funny
2008-02-08 00:30 < TimVickers> I'm blocking him now <joke>
2008-02-08 00:30 < FastTribble4> White_Cat: I am not doing it on Wikipedia
2008-02-08 00:30 < White_Cat> no such thing as non-wikipedia
2008-02-08 00:31 < TimVickers> RL?
2008-02-08 00:31 * FastTribble4 is running it on Wikia where he apparently does have a bot flag
2008-02-08 00:31 < Hildanknight> What do you call it when a character in a movie keeps repeating a certain line? For example, the school principal keeps saying "I have to go according to the law" when handling discipline cases.
2008-02-08 00:31 < White_Cat> no such thning as RL
2008-02-08 00:32 < White_Cat> catch phrase
2008-02-08 00:32 < White_Cat> Hildanknight. catch phrase
2008-02-08 00:32 < Hildanknight> Thanks. :D
2008-02-08 00:32 * Hildanknight gives White_Cat some fish.
2008-02-08 00:32 < TimVickers> Or a "character log line"
2008-02-08 00:34 < FastTribble4> White_Cat: I am somehow checking every edit I make though
2008-02-08 00:37 < FastTribble4> White_Cat: Besides, how could I get a bot flag if I am not a bot?
2008-02-08 00:37 < White_Cat> you are a bot
2008-02-08 00:38 * FastTribble4 is not a bot
2008-02-08 00:38 < White_Cat> oh you are
2008-02-08 00:38 < White_Cat> you just arent aware of it
2008-02-08 00:38 * FastTribble4 IS NOT A BOT!!
2008-02-08 00:38 < TimVickers> Tribble - Turing test - What's your favourite colour, and why?
2008-02-08 00:38 < FastTribble4> ...
2008-02-08 00:38 < TimVickers> Bot
2008-02-08 00:39 < FastTribble4> Then where's my bot flag?
2008-02-08 00:39 < TimVickers> You're programmed not to notice your bot flag
2008-02-08 00:39 < Starnestommy> freenode has no bot flags
2008-02-08 00:39 < FastTribble4> :P
2008-02-08 00:39 < FastTribble4> on Wikipedia Starnestommy
2008-02-08 00:40 < FastTribble4> TimVickers: Then answer this one: When I try to open the Bots tab in AWB, it says "Sorry, this option is for approved bots only."
2008-02-08 00:40 < TimVickers> You're an unapproved bot? Perhaps we should delete you.
2008-02-08 00:41 < FastTribble4> TimVickers: If I were approved, I would have a bot flag
2008-02-08 00:41 < FastTribble4> Of course, if I were a bot
2008-02-08 00:42 < TimVickers> Del Tribb4 - execute
2008-02-08 00:42 * FastTribble4 is still here :P
2008-02-08 00:42 < TimVickers> Worm
2008-02-08 00:44 * FastTribble4 kicks White_Cat for starting this >:-(
2008-02-08 00:44 < TimVickers> OK,OK I'll leve you in the RAM and stop trying to terminate you
2008-02-08 00:47 * privatemusings waves at Tim
2008-02-08 00:47 < privatemusings> heard the wikipedia weekly thing and thought it was cool.....
2008-02-08 00:49 * Mike_H pets privatemusings
2008-02-08 00:49 * privatemusings does a kinda shake and stretch thing....
2008-02-08 00:50 < TimVickers> Hi PM, my one? I kept saying "um" all the time! :)
2008-02-08 00:50 * Mike_H NP: Miguel Bose feat. Bimba Bose - Como Un Lobo (2007)
2008-02-08 00:50 < privatemusings> ah - you came across just great, i thought!
2008-02-08 00:50 < privatemusings> (but then getting excited by a protein bot might be a niche kinda thing...)
2008-02-08 00:54 < privatemusings> mike - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eewd9SADXqs, right?
2008-02-08 00:55 < Mike_H> yes
2008-02-08 00:55 < Mike_H> it's fabuloso
2008-02-08 00:55 < privatemusings> that's hot.
2008-02-08 00:55 < Mike_H> caliente.
2008-02-08 00:55 < TimVickers> Hey PM, Loki kitten says klp'mpllllllllllllllllllll
2008-02-08 00:55 < TimVickers> Dam keyborad paws
2008-02-08 00:56 < Mike_H> I just love how the woman's name is "Bimba"
2008-02-08 00:56 < Mike_H> how apt.
2008-02-08 00:56 < privatemusings> i saw your kitten at your userpage....
2008-02-08 00:56 < privatemusings> loki causing trouble? plus ca change!
2008-02-08 00:56 < Mike_H> Bimba Bose is Miguel Bose's niece.
2008-02-08 00:56 < TimVickers> He steals food if you show weakness
2008-02-08 01:00 < privatemusings> you wait til he gets older...
2008-02-08 01:02 < TimVickers> His mother is a one-eyed stray who can scratch to the bone if you look at her wrong, I'm hoping he'll turn out tamer at least
2008-02-08 01:02 < Ceiling_Cat> Hello TimVickers
2008-02-08 01:02 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-02-08 01:02 < privatemusings> now here's a dangerous cat.....
2008-02-08 01:02 < TimVickers> Hi there
2008-02-08 01:02 < Ceiling_Cat> nice interview on the signpost
2008-02-08 01:03 < Ceiling_Cat> erm
2008-02-08 01:03 < Ceiling_Cat> sorry
2008-02-08 01:03 < Ceiling_Cat> wikipedia weekly
2008-02-08 01:03 < TimVickers> Thanks, tried to thank at least two people per sentence, that way I could fit half of them in
2008-02-08 01:03 < TimVickers> No, there was something in the signpost as well, just that was a Wikiproject repot
2008-02-08 01:04 < privatemusings> media whore!
2008-02-08 01:04 < privatemusings> (this is a joke) - for the sensitive..
2008-02-08 01:04 < TimVickers> Uh-huh. That's me. Secretly famous
2008-02-08 01:05 < privatemusings> a legend in his own lunchbox...
2008-02-08 01:05 < privatemusings> ladies and gentlemen....
2008-02-08 01:05 < privatemusings> the one
2008-02-08 01:05 < privatemusings> the only
2008-02-08 01:05 < privatemusings> ... Tim Vickers!!!
2008-02-08 01:05 < TimVickers> If I didn't have cats to remind me that I was just a servant, you'd be making me blush
2008-02-08 01:06 < privatemusings> on a serious note - I saw the animal testing pages - which i think you guys are all doing pretty well on....
2008-02-08 01:06 < privatemusings> it's not the easiest thing to explore without prejudice.....
2008-02-08 01:08 < TimVickers> Not a subject I enjoy writing about, but the areas that cause the most controversy are smetimes the most important to deal with well
2008-02-08 01:08 < privatemusings> i think you're taking a really good calm approach (for what that's worth)
2008-02-08 01:09 < TimVickers> If you edit with a kitten on your lap it is impossible to get angry
2008-02-08 01:09 < privatemusings> and wish all 'sides' well in finding the best ground for the encyclopedia...
2008-02-08 01:10 < TimVickers> Thanks, I hope so too
2008-02-08 01:14 < privatemusings> now back to life for a while.... c ya' later folks...
2008-02-08 01:15 < TimVickers> see you
2008-02-08 01:24 * FastTribble4 is going to bed now, good night, and happy Chinese New Year
2008-02-08 01:25 < jerkface03> gung hai fat choy
2008-02-08 01:30 < phed> hey
2008-02-08 01:30 < phed> how do I setup a merge?
2008-02-08 01:30 < phed> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clubhouse_Model_of_Psychosocial_Rehabilitation and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fountain_House
2008-02-08 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72QnN0KqT4M
2008-02-08 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> Omg
2008-02-08 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> that's *sick*
2008-02-08 01:54 < phed> bah :(
2008-02-08 01:54 < phed> I have no idea where to start in order to mark for merge
2008-02-08 01:55 < OverlordQ> bah
2008-02-08 01:55 < OverlordQ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNbcMuu6Ycs <-- :P
2008-02-08 01:55 < Ceiling_Cat> my song is better ;)
2008-02-08 01:56 < OverlordQ> NEVAR
2008-02-08 01:56 < OverlordQ> really only the intro is the good part :)
2008-02-08 02:01 < OverlordQ> how about this one then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qfFi7RBuQo
2008-02-08 02:02 < Ceiling_Cat> very impressive
2008-02-08 02:02 < Ceiling_Cat> btw
2008-02-08 02:02 < Ceiling_Cat> I officially turned in the master's degree submission form today :)
2008-02-08 02:03 < Ceiling_Cat> (it puts my university on notice that I'm submitting this semester)
2008-02-08 02:03 < OverlordQ> uh ohes :)
2008-02-08 02:03 < Ceiling_Cat> I found a neat (academically legitimate) shortcut to make lots of progress quickly
2008-02-08 02:04 < Ceiling_Cat> I took the first two chapters of my phd proposal, and stiched it together with the final 4 sections of the paper I'm submitting to LCPC
2008-02-08 02:04 < Ceiling_Cat> viola - 52 pages of a master's thesis in one day
2008-02-08 02:04 < Ceiling_Cat> voila*
2008-02-08 02:04 < OverlordQ> heh
2008-02-08 02:04 < Ceiling_Cat> PS - I hate Latex.
2008-02-08 02:04 < Ceiling_Cat> Latex is a very, very harsh mistress
2008-02-08 02:04 < OverlordQ> it's not *alllll* bad
2008-02-08 02:06 < Ceiling_Cat> It is merciless if you make a mistake
2008-02-08 02:09 < zocky> "Although standing per se isn't dangerous, there are pathologies associated with it."
2008-02-08 02:11 * brown_cat throws bread at Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-08 02:18 < JessicaTaylor> Hi
2008-02-08 02:19 < JessicaTaylor> Anyone home?
2008-02-08 02:19 * brown_cat hugs JessicaTaylor
2008-02-08 02:19 * JessicaTaylor huggles brown_cat
2008-02-08 02:19 < brown_cat> :D
2008-02-08 02:20 < ALLSTARecho> OK, I have a tech question for someone inclined.. I have all my userboxes on a seperate page.. but I dont want that page to show up in all of the cats that the userboxes place the page.. is there a way to turn that off besides removing the cats from each individual userbox?
2008-02-08 02:23 < Ceiling_Cat> ALLSTARecho - transclude the userboxes, and then manually remove the cats
2008-02-08 02:23 < ALLSTARecho> umm, huh?
2008-02-08 02:24 < Ceiling_Cat> erm, not transclube. Substitute
2008-02-08 02:24 < ALLSTARecho> how?
2008-02-08 02:24 < Ceiling_Cat> Substitute the userboxes into your userpage (thus causing mediawiki to copy their contents into your page's wikitext)
2008-02-08 02:24 < Ceiling_Cat> then manually remove the cats
2008-02-08 02:24 < Ceiling_Cat> let's say I want to substitute template:blah into my userpage
2008-02-08 02:24 < Ceiling_Cat> I would edit that page
2008-02-08 02:25 < Ceiling_Cat> and replace {{blah}} with {{subst:blah}}
2008-02-08 02:25 < Ceiling_Cat> when I click save, {{subst:blah}} is automatically replaced with the contents of template:blah
2008-02-08 02:25 < ALLSTARecho> ok, so I need to go through the page and add subst: to all the ubx temlates on the page?
2008-02-08 02:25 < Ceiling_Cat> yes, then save
2008-02-08 02:25 < Ceiling_Cat> then edit the userpage a second time to remove the cats
2008-02-08 02:25 < ALLSTARecho> ok
2008-02-08 02:25 < ALLSTARecho> thanks
2008-02-08 02:26 < Ceiling_Cat> goodnight
2008-02-08 02:27 < brown_cat> cyaz
2008-02-08 02:27 * brown_cat huggles Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-08 02:27 < brown_cat> JessicaTaylor: you in perth?
2008-02-08 02:27 < JessicaTaylor> Nup
2008-02-08 02:27 < JessicaTaylor> I'm in Melbourne
2008-02-08 02:27 < brown_cat> ah, :D
2008-02-08 02:35 * brown_cat sits on Wile_E_Coyote's lap :D
2008-02-08 02:56 < patbam> are there some guidelines about how to write up monetary quantities somewhere? i'm translating a portuguese article to english, and brazilian currency is used...
2008-02-08 03:00 < Mike_H> patbam: maybe the article on said currency will help
2008-02-08 03:00 < Mike_H> which I believe is the "Brazilian real"
2008-02-08 03:04 < patbam> Mike_H: yes that's it, but i'm wondering if there are general guidelines about conversions, etc. should i do $1 [[Brazilian real|Brazilian reais]] ($[[US Dollars|US]]0.57) or what?
2008-02-08 03:04 < bumm13> hiya Mike_H
2008-02-08 03:04 < bumm13> patbam: conversions aren't that useful on an encyclopedia
2008-02-08 03:04 < Mike_H> yeah, basically that's it
2008-02-08 03:04 < Mike_H> bumm13: we still usually use them.
2008-02-08 03:04 < bumm13> unless it's a time-specific reference
2008-02-08 03:04 < Mike_H> patbam: go with what you just proposed
2008-02-08 03:04 < Mike_H> it's good
2008-02-08 03:05 < patbam> Mike_H: ok thanks
2008-02-08 03:05 < bumm13> the U.S. dollar has plummeted in recent years
2008-02-08 03:05 < patbam> bumm13: come to think of it no monetary quantity is reliable over more than a short term :)
2008-02-08 03:05 < bumm13> right
2008-02-08 03:06 < patbam> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Currencies oe look
2008-02-08 03:07 < patbam> good tips there
2008-02-08 03:16 * brown_cat walks around
2008-02-08 03:30 < Lubaf> "Twenty minutes. Out front. Pufferfish"
2008-02-08 03:30 < brown_cat> o_O
2008-02-08 03:30 * brown_cat runs off
2008-02-08 03:31 < brown_cat> erm, why is there a pic of his face at http://goat.se/cx/
2008-02-08 03:31 < brown_cat> + who is he
2008-02-08 03:33 < OverlordQ> rofl
2008-02-08 03:33 * brown_cat is confused :s
2008-02-08 03:36 < OverlordQ> http://press.jrc.it/NewsExplorer/photos/21/07/215207.jpg
2008-02-08 03:36 < OverlordQ> same guy?
2008-02-08 03:38 < Mike_H> bumm13: Wikinews scored perhaps its biggest interview to date