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2008-02-07 17:40 < The359> You said all race cars are built in garages, actually
2008-02-07 17:40 < Mike_H> temper is not acceptable
2008-02-07 17:40 < The359> Which was what I argued
2008-02-07 17:40 < Demi> i think this is what people see when they argue about programming languages
2008-02-07 17:40 < Leslie_S> Mike_H I didn't do anything wrong.
2008-02-07 17:40 < Leslie_S> at all.
2008-02-07 17:40 < OverlordQ> ZOMG EMAC SUX VI RUELZ
2008-02-07 17:40 < Mike_H> Demi: programming languages bore me
2008-02-07 17:40 < Demi> Mike_H - that's what i mean
2008-02-07 17:41 < Demi> boring and utterly irrelevant and people getting upset over it
2008-02-07 17:41 < Mike_H> someone said last night
2008-02-07 17:41 < Mike_H> "you program in java? that's a shitty language"
2008-02-07 17:41 < Mike_H> at least I have self-awareness. I know nobody likes the Top Models.
2008-02-07 17:41 < The359> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2163/2230284170_787f8a0998_b.jpg Overloard Q, in case you're wondering, modern fuel cells are stuffed into cars like this
2008-02-07 17:41 < The359> They manage to squeeze a plastic cell between the carbon fiber bulkheads between the cockpit and engine
2008-02-07 17:42 < The359> They're quite impressive to see them fit it in
2008-02-07 17:42 < Leslie_S> why are people like The359 so fucking stupid?
2008-02-07 17:42 < Leslie_S> thats not the first time ive seen him act like a total dipshit either.
2008-02-07 17:42 < The359> http://www.srmotorsports.com/Fuel_Safe_Racing_Cell.jpg This is what you typically get though
2008-02-07 17:42 < The359> For a more normal race car
2008-02-07 17:42 < The359> plastic within a metal box
2008-02-07 17:42 < gwern> http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff28/beatonna/?action=view¤t=17disraeli.jpg <-- lol goatse
2008-02-07 17:42 < Mike_H> Leslie_S: Stop it.
2008-02-07 17:43 < Leslie_S> im just going to fucking leave.
2008-02-07 17:43 < Mike_H> bye.
2008-02-07 17:43 * Gracenotes waves...
2008-02-07 17:43 < Mike_H> I'm sorry
2008-02-07 17:43 < Mike_H> <Leslie_S> why are people like The359 so fucking stupid?
2008-02-07 17:43 < Mike_H> <Leslie_S> thats not the first time ive seen him act like a total dipshit either.
2008-02-07 17:43 < Mike_H> THAT is uncalled for.
2008-02-07 17:43 < Demi> yas
2008-02-07 17:43 < Mike_H> It's a drama queen move, quite frankly.
2008-02-07 17:43 < Mike_H> THAT DEMI IS SUCH A FUCKER
2008-02-07 17:43 < Mike_H> WHY IS HE EVEN HERE
2008-02-07 17:43 < The359> Is any of this surprising?
2008-02-07 17:43 < The359> Or new?
2008-02-07 17:43 < Mike_H> talking about someone "to their face"
2008-02-07 17:43 < Mike_H> and not addressing them
2008-02-07 17:43 * syntaxerror55 gasps
2008-02-07 17:44 < syntaxerror55> not people trolling IRC
2008-02-07 17:44 < Mike_H> the sad thing is
2008-02-07 17:44 < Mike_H> she doesn't think she's trolling
2008-02-07 17:44 < syntaxerror55> what a historic event
2008-02-07 17:44 < The359> she never does
2008-02-07 17:44 < The359> And $20 says she'll be back in here about how her life sucks
2008-02-07 17:44 < Mike_H> and then she gets pissy
2008-02-07 17:44 < The359> and everyone hates her
2008-02-07 17:44 < Mike_H> storms off
2008-02-07 17:44 < Mike_H> comes back in a few hours
2008-02-07 17:44 < syntaxerror55> Ah.
2008-02-07 17:44 < Mike_H> The359: Honestly, if I never hear the "all my friends just want rides from me" story ever again
2008-02-07 17:44 < Mike_H> it'll be too soon
2008-02-07 17:44 < Gracenotes> personally, I don't see why she couldn't have said "The359, why are you so stupid?". If the guy's stupid, you should at least ask him to his face, right?
2008-02-07 17:45 < Mike_H> Gracenotes: Because that doesn't incite nearly enough dramaz.
2008-02-07 17:45 < Mike_H> and I hate being mean about her, because I don't think she's a bad person
2008-02-07 17:45 < Mike_H> but if she drama queens like that in person a tenth of what she does here
2008-02-07 17:46 < The359> I could recite a typical Leslie S arguement from heart
2008-02-07 17:46 < The359> And it'd be dead on
2008-02-07 17:46 < Mike_H> I know why nobody wants to be her friend!
2008-02-07 17:46 * gwern suggests you listen to Mike_H; he knows this stuff from experience
2008-02-07 17:46 < Sfan00> Mike_H: Give her time
2008-02-07 17:46 < gwern> because she fat
2008-02-07 17:46 < Mike_H> gwern: Shut yo mothafuckin mouth
2008-02-07 17:46 < The359> is she fat?
2008-02-07 17:46 < Mike_H> gwern: See?
2008-02-07 17:46 * Mike_H bows
2008-02-07 17:46 < Snowolf> oh hi bishonen
2008-02-07 17:46 < gwern> step off, biatch
2008-02-07 17:46 < gwern> (am I doing this right?)
2008-02-07 17:46 < White_Cat> Ladies and no so ladies I present you bishonen
2008-02-07 17:46 < Mike_H> gwern: let me tell you fuckin' som'in!
2008-02-07 17:46 < bishonen> hi snow
2008-02-07 17:47 < Gracenotes> the key to minimizing drama is to be familiar with drama-maximizing tactics. Right, Mike_H? *poke poke*
2008-02-07 17:47 < The359> Fuck that noise
2008-02-07 17:47 * White_Cat presents bishonen gift-wraped
2008-02-07 17:47 < bishonen> hi coolcat
2008-02-07 17:47 < White_Cat> bishonen I turned white
2008-02-07 17:47 < Mike_H> Gracenotes: I don't like drama
2008-02-07 17:47 < gwern> Mike_H: best show respect, or I'll beat you and your cat like a red-headed stepchild
2008-02-07 17:47 < Mike_H> Drama just likes me
2008-02-07 17:47 < White_Cat> and its not out of old age :)
2008-02-07 17:47 < gwern> White_Cat: like Michael jackson!
2008-02-07 17:47 < White_Cat> Mike_H thats really typical :)
2008-02-07 17:47 < Mike_H> gwern: You think you original and hood and really you ain't don't you try to go there with me
2008-02-07 17:47 < bishonen> White_Cat: i know
2008-02-07 17:47 < The359> All that and a bag of chips?
2008-02-07 17:47 < The359> I don't know, I'm just throwing it out there...
2008-02-07 17:47 < White_Cat> bishonen I am all white and fluffy now
2008-02-07 17:47 < gwern> Mike_H: talk all big like that in front of yo mamma?
2008-02-07 17:48 < Snowolf> White_Cat: white's good :) /me likes the Snowcat :)
2008-02-07 17:48 < Mike_H> gwern: yo mamma thought it was big last night, HOLLA
2008-02-07 17:48 < White_Cat> Snowcat turned black
2008-02-07 17:48 < Demi> Mike_H - also, for the record, java *is* a shitty programming language, i *am* such a fucker and *i don't know* why i have to be here. but i have to. it's the rules.
2008-02-07 17:48 < White_Cat> once you turn black you cant go back
2008-02-07 17:49 < gwern> shoot. I don't know, how are you supposed to respond to yo mamma insults?
2008-02-07 17:49 < Gracenotes> Demi: *cries*
2008-02-07 17:49 < Mike_H> gwern: it's called "the dozens"
2008-02-07 17:49 < Mike_H> you just do another yo mamma insult
2008-02-07 17:49 < Gracenotes> not... Java... :'( :'(
2008-02-07 17:49 * Gracenotes slaps Demi
2008-02-07 17:49 < gwern> Mike_H: ok, uh 'hope you enjoyed it while your mamma was all lonely and cold'?
2008-02-07 17:50 < White_Cat> so bishonen are you happier now?
2008-02-07 17:50 * Ceiling_Cat turkeyslaps Gracenotes
2008-02-07 17:50 < bishonen> gwern, how's my son supposed to respond when i tell him "Yo mam so fat?" :-) That shuts him right up.
2008-02-07 17:50 < Demi> yo momma doesn't know the difference between an enterprise java bean and a CORBA component. zing!
2008-02-07 17:50 < Mike_H> gwern: if yo mamma was colder she'd be the freezer section at Albertson's
2008-02-07 17:50 < bishonen> yo mama
2008-02-07 17:50 < Ceiling_Cat> BISHY!!!
2008-02-07 17:50 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles bishy
2008-02-07 17:50 < White_Cat> if not I will start inflicting virtual violence on Gracenotes in a Ton&Jerry like manner
2008-02-07 17:50 < bishonen> White_Cat: happier thn what
2008-02-07 17:50 < gwern> bishonen: say he likes it that way?
2008-02-07 17:50 < bishonen> Ceiling_Cat: hello
2008-02-07 17:50 < Demi> \o/ bishonen
2008-02-07 17:51 < bishonen> gwern, i don't think that covers my self-insult. :-)
2008-02-07 17:51 < gwern> Mike_H: better watch out, or she'll use you like a warmer and throw you away with the trash
2008-02-07 17:51 < Ceiling_Cat> Bishy - I am finally writing my master's thesis :)
2008-02-07 17:51 < The359> This is some major weaksauce right here
2008-02-07 17:51 < Ceiling_Cat> (nothing lifts the sprits of a grad student like progress towards a degree)
2008-02-07 17:51 < bishonen> Ceiling_Cat: none too soon!
2008-02-07 17:51 < bishonen> too much with the ceiling-watching!
2008-02-07 17:51 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat just one?
2008-02-07 17:51 < Ceiling_Cat> spirits*
2008-02-07 17:51 < White_Cat> Arent you going to be like Sam Becket
2008-02-07 17:52 < White_Cat> 5 degrees
2008-02-07 17:52 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - I've been working on my phd and masters concurrently
2008-02-07 17:52 < White_Cat> one being medical
2008-02-07 17:52 < White_Cat> other in quantum physics?
2008-02-07 17:54 < Ceiling_Cat> hopefully my phd will follow in the next year or two
2008-02-07 17:54 < Sfan00> MD != phd
2008-02-07 17:54 < Ceiling_Cat> and coincidentally, the ARL *FINALLY* published my first paper
2008-02-07 17:54 < Ceiling_Cat> the one I wrote last august
2008-02-07 17:54 * Ceiling_Cat is having a good week
2008-02-07 17:54 < gwern> White_Cat: [[Samuel Beckett]]?
2008-02-07 17:54 < White_Cat> gwern yes
2008-02-07 17:54 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat remember the old saying?
2008-02-07 17:54 * bishonen is having a bad week
2008-02-07 17:54 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: I always wondered why you never tried Sealing_Cat
2008-02-07 17:54 < White_Cat> once things get back be happy it will only get worse
2008-02-07 17:54 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - what old saying?
2008-02-07 17:54 < Ceiling_Cat> gwern - teehee. There was a web comic about that
2008-02-07 17:54 < White_Cat> likewise if things get good be sad because they will only get better?
2008-02-07 17:54 < gwern> 'As a result, he became the only Nobel laureate to have an entry in Wisden Cricketers' Almanack, the "bible" of cricket.'
2008-02-07 17:54 < White_Cat> the second one doesnt work right?
2008-02-07 17:54 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: ln pls kthnxbai
2008-02-07 17:54 * White_Cat inflicts pain to self
2008-02-07 17:54 < White_Cat> ah paper cuts
2008-02-07 17:54 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern - see the links at [[User:Ceiling Cat]]
2008-02-07 17:54 < Ceiling_Cat> :)
2008-02-07 17:54 < Ceiling_Cat> Bishy - I'm sorry to hear you are not having a good week
2008-02-07 17:54 < Ceiling_Cat> I hope things get better for you
2008-02-07 17:54 < gwern> ' Yo momma so fat, When she was diagnosed with the flesh-eating disease, the doctor gave her 13 years to live.'
2008-02-07 17:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Ok, dinner/meeting
2008-02-07 17:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Bye all :)
2008-02-07 17:55 < gwern> http://www.twolumps.net/d/20070919.html <-- ah ha ha
2008-02-07 17:55 < bishonen> Ceiling_Cat: it don't look like it. the IRC RFAr is closing.
2008-02-07 17:55 < Zach> wikinews will be interviewing walter cronkite, so if you want to ask a question, go to http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Wikinews_interviews_an_icon:_Walter_Cronkite_on_modern_media
2008-02-07 17:55 < gwern> 'sealing cat is watching you masticate'
2008-02-07 17:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Bishy - that thing is so messy and ugly, I am simply choosing to pretend it doesn't exist
2008-02-07 17:56 < bishonen> Ceiling_Cat: i know
2008-02-07 17:56 < Mike_H> Zach: and if all goes to plan we're interviewing Cristina :DD
2008-02-07 17:56 < White_Cat> gwern you know mr.becket?
2008-02-07 17:56 < Ceiling_Cat> in a way, it makes me sort-of glad I was not re-elected as an arbitrator
2008-02-07 17:56 < Ceiling_Cat> it's someone else's problem now
2008-02-07 17:56 < bishonen> i axed bishzilla to relieve my feelings
2008-02-07 17:56 < Zach> cristina who?
2008-02-07 17:56 < gwern> White_Cat: only through one or two plays, iirc
2008-02-07 17:57 < Mike_H> Zach: ...WHAT?
2008-02-07 17:57 < White_Cat> plays?
2008-02-07 17:57 < Zach> ?
2008-02-07 17:57 < Ceiling_Cat> I saw :(
2008-02-07 17:57 < Mike_H> Cristina WHO?
2008-02-07 17:57 < Ceiling_Cat> well, you know I wish nothing but the best for you
2008-02-07 17:57 < Zach> oh, is it some top model or something?
2008-02-07 17:57 < Ceiling_Cat> and Giano, and Geogre
2008-02-07 17:57 < Mike_H> NO!
2008-02-07 17:57 < Mike_H> Cristina Saralegui (born January 29, 1948 in Havana, Cuba) is a Cuban American journalist, actress and talk show host, well-known for hosting the Spanish-language eponymous show Cristina.
2008-02-07 17:57 < bishonen> Ceiling_Cat: it's my problem and Giano's problem and Geogre's problem, which I suppose is somewhat your problem, Raul.
2008-02-07 17:57 < Zach> ohh. THAT cristina
2008-02-07 17:58 < Zach> ;)
2008-02-07 17:58 < gwern> 'The two were interred together in the Cimetière du Montparnasse in Paris, and share a simple marble gravestone which follows Beckett's directive that it be "any colour, so long as it's grey."'
2008-02-07 17:58 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: sure, plays, like waiting for godot
2008-02-07 17:58 < Ceiling_Cat> Bishy - I don't really know what to do at this point. Reams have been written about the case
2008-02-07 17:58 * Zach thanks god it wasn't cristina aguilera
2008-02-07 17:58 < Mike_H> That's CHristina.
2008-02-07 17:58 < Snowolf> :)
2008-02-07 17:58 < Mike_H> not CRistina.
2008-02-07 17:58 < White_Cat> gwern NO!
2008-02-07 17:58 < Ceiling_Cat> anyway, I really do need to go
2008-02-07 17:58 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Beckett_%28Quantum_Leap%29
2008-02-07 17:58 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-02-07 17:58 < White_Cat> I dont to RL
2008-02-07 17:59 < gwern> White_Cat: ...
2008-02-07 17:59 < bishonen> Ceiling_Cat: i did not mean to reproch you. nothing you can do, as far as i can see.
2008-02-07 17:59 < White_Cat> *I dont do RL
2008-02-07 17:59 < White_Cat> RL is a myth
2008-02-07 18:00 < Wikiacc> White_Cat: what does exist then?
2008-02-07 18:00 < White_Cat> nothing
2008-02-07 18:00 < White_Cat> RL is a myth created by HAL
2008-02-07 18:00 < White_Cat> I mean Ziggy :P
2008-02-07 18:01 * gwern asks 'Al, when can I jump out of this madness?'
2008-02-07 18:02 < White_Cat> no
2008-02-07 18:02 < White_Cat> you leap out of the madness
2008-02-07 18:02 < White_Cat> hence you leap to sparta
2008-02-07 18:03 < White_Cat> if it aint madness it can only be sparta
2008-02-07 18:03 * gwern resigns myself. Tonight, I dine in hell!
2008-02-07 18:03 < Mike_H> Oh, going for tacos?
2008-02-07 18:03 < White_Cat> no
2008-02-07 18:04 < Mike_H> not you.
2008-02-07 18:04 < gwern> no, mcdonalds </rimshot
2008-02-07 18:04 < White_Cat> tacobell is mexican heaven
2008-02-07 18:04 < Mike_H> My idea of heaven doesn't involve diarrhea.
2008-02-07 18:04 < White_Cat> all those ilegal imigrants cross the border to reach non mexican yet mexican food
2008-02-07 18:04 < White_Cat> tacos are not mexican
2008-02-07 18:04 < White_Cat> :P
2008-02-07 18:04 < The359> heh
2008-02-07 18:04 < The359> did you see they launched Taco Bell in Mexico recently?
2008-02-07 18:05 < White_Cat> there actualy is some specilation on the origin of taco
2008-02-07 18:05 < White_Cat> as something similar is served in some countries
2008-02-07 18:05 < White_Cat> for centuries
2008-02-07 18:07 < Demi> tacos are mexican, they just may not resemble what you get at taco bell
2008-02-07 18:07 < White_Cat> Demi I think mexicans stole it from the spanish
2008-02-07 18:07 < Demi> also, "mexican food" in the west is partly derived from mexican food that doesn't come from what we now call mexico
2008-02-07 18:08 < White_Cat> Demi like pizza?
2008-02-07 18:08 < Demi> no
2008-02-07 18:08 < White_Cat> did you know the inventors of pizza is muslims?
2008-02-07 18:08 < Demi> there was a mexican cuisine in the southwest and california that predates the united states being here
2008-02-07 18:08 < Mike_H> Muslim Hut
2008-02-07 18:08 < Mike_H> but instead of the hat
2008-02-07 18:08 < Mike_H> it'd be a hijab
2008-02-07 18:09 < Demi> White_Cat - based on what? sauced flatbread with cheese? color me unimpressed
2008-02-07 18:09 < Demi> everyone knows pizza comes from naples
2008-02-07 18:09 < White_Cat> Demi okay
2008-02-07 18:09 < White_Cat> see the original name for pizza is "pitza"
2008-02-07 18:09 < Mike_H> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/The_old_pizza_hut_logo.gif
2008-02-07 18:09 < White_Cat> the word originates in arabic
2008-02-07 18:09 < White_Cat> which bread is called "Pita"
2008-02-07 18:09 < Mike_H> you have to admit, Muslim Hut with the hijab in that style
2008-02-07 18:09 < Demi> that thing about noodles coming from china is bogus, too
2008-02-07 18:09 < Mike_H> would be hilarious
2008-02-07 18:10 < Mike_H> or better yet
2008-02-07 18:10 < Mike_H> Pizza Jihad
2008-02-07 18:10 < Demi> yes, of course there could be no common etymology or interchange from one mediterranean region to another
2008-02-07 18:10 < White_Cat> it was carried to italy by muslim merchants as that was their general meal
2008-02-07 18:10 < White_Cat> aka bread
2008-02-07 18:10 < Demi> also, where my motherfuckin' cheese go at?
2008-02-07 18:10 < Demi> yes, muslims invented bread
2008-02-07 18:10 < Demi> good luck selling that
2008-02-07 18:10 < White_Cat> no I did not say that
2008-02-07 18:11 < White_Cat> but the 'pita' was intorduced to the italians at the era
2008-02-07 18:11 < Demi> they didn't invent the circle, either
2008-02-07 18:11 < White_Cat> now indeed it evolved greatly in italy
2008-02-07 18:11 < White_Cat> italians gave it its touch to what it is now.
2008-02-07 18:11 < Demi> i am positive that round flatbread is ancient
2008-02-07 18:11 < White_Cat> but I find the cultural exchanges in the mediteranian quite fascinating
2008-02-07 18:12 < White_Cat> the hijab actualy has christian origins
2008-02-07 18:12 < Demi> yes, at least 500 BC in Greece
2008-02-07 18:12 < Demi> you're going to tell me the Muslims went back in time and gave flatbread to the greeks?
2008-02-07 18:13 < White_Cat> muslims first got introduced to the hijab with the invasion of constantinopole
2008-02-07 18:13 < Demi> i will bet you'll find such bread in africa long before that as well
2008-02-07 18:13 < White_Cat> Demi pizza is rather unique
2008-02-07 18:13 < White_Cat> its no ordinary bread
2008-02-07 18:14 < White_Cat> as the nuns on hagia sophia's second floor were wearing something similar to the hijab
2008-02-07 18:14 < White_Cat> as they are wearing a modern version today
2008-02-07 18:14 < Demi> right, it's topped with tomatoes, which muslims did not have earlier than italians
2008-02-07 18:14 < Mike_H> wow, that was the sound of me not caring
2008-02-07 18:14 * Mike_H goes to sort his DVDs
2008-02-07 18:14 < White_Cat> Demi they did not indeed
2008-02-07 18:14 < Demi> Mike_H - we're going to talk about fuel tanks now
2008-02-07 18:14 < Demi> and java
2008-02-07 18:14 < Mike_H> Demi: YOU MOTHERFUCKER
2008-02-07 18:14 < Mike_H> HOW CAN HE BE SO STUPID
2008-02-07 18:15 < White_Cat> Demi java was a christian invasion
2008-02-07 18:15 < The359> WHY DO YOU EVEN BOTHER TALKING TO HER?
2008-02-07 18:15 < Demi> i got stupid because i had to write some java code
2008-02-07 18:15 < White_Cat> it was accidentaly coded during the 4th crusade
2008-02-07 18:15 < Mike_H> The359: FUCK YOU
2008-02-07 18:15 < Mike_H> I'm just going to leave
2008-02-07 18:15 < Gracenotes> zomgz java, how may I assist you in your programming language flame war?
2008-02-07 18:15 < White_Cat> welcome back
2008-02-07 18:15 < The359> CRY ABOUT YOUR LIFE
2008-02-07 18:15 < Mike_H> The359: I ALREADY LEFT WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM ME
2008-02-07 18:15 < The359> RAZOR BLADE
2008-02-07 18:15 < The359> DO IT
2008-02-07 18:15 < RichiH> guys?
2008-02-07 18:16 < The359> wut?
2008-02-07 18:16 < Snowolf> come on, no need for caps on
2008-02-07 18:16 < The359> there's no drama without caps
2008-02-07 18:16 < RichiH> while that is not true, there is no need for either
2008-02-07 18:16 < Gracenotes> there's no kickbanning, either
2008-02-07 18:16 * Gracenotes catalyzes :<
2008-02-07 18:17 < White_Cat> RichiH that scared me
2008-02-07 18:17 < White_Cat> you dont always see an irc god showup out of no where
2008-02-07 18:17 * White_Cat forces a hijab on RichiH
2008-02-07 18:17 < White_Cat> eeek wrong end
2008-02-07 18:17 * White_Cat flips RichiH
2008-02-07 18:17 < Mike_H> Caps is cruise control for COOL
2008-02-07 18:18 < Mike_H> and I have a sense of humor, so I'll laugh at drama. k thx kisses <33
2008-02-07 18:18 < Demi> public inner outer static pundit verbose decorated class LanguageFlameworOnTheInternet extends Flamewar {
2008-02-07 18:19 < Demi> @syntax what is this now?
2008-02-07 18:19 < Gracenotes> Demi: you know Python?
2008-02-07 18:20 < Demi> some
2008-02-07 18:20 < Gracenotes> yes, Java don't got "decorated" :P
2008-02-07 18:21 < Gracenotes> @ is either an annotation or javadoc attribute, depending on the context
2008-02-07 18:21 < RichiH> White_Cat: well, i decided this channel needs some more attention
2008-02-07 18:21 < Demi> whatever
2008-02-07 18:21 < White_Cat> RichiH oh yeah
2008-02-07 18:21 < RichiH> it seems to be sliding back into old patterns
2008-02-07 18:21 < White_Cat> too many trools and idiots we want not
2008-02-07 18:21 < Demi> it's some kind of sucky non-language thing
2008-02-07 18:22 < Demi> Gracenotes - come to think of it, i'm not entirely sure all those class qualifiers are valid :)
2008-02-07 18:22 < Gracenotes> RichiH: no, very few are
2008-02-07 18:22 < Gracenotes> s/RichiH/Demi (sorry, rich)
2008-02-07 18:22 < RichiH> no worries
2008-02-07 18:22 * RichiH will survive
2008-02-07 18:22 < RichiH> barely, but i'll make it
2008-02-07 18:22 < Gracenotes> lol ^_^
2008-02-07 18:22 < Gracenotes> Demi: public, static, and class are the only valid qualifiers you listed
2008-02-07 18:23 < Gracenotes> and "class" really isn't a qualified
2008-02-07 18:23 < Gracenotes> s/d/r
2008-02-07 18:23 < Gracenotes> so 2/7. not bad.
2008-02-07 18:23 * White_Cat watches RichiH survive
2008-02-07 18:24 * Gracenotes huggles Demi
2008-02-07 18:25 * Demi , huggled
2008-02-07 18:26 < White_Cat> Gracenotes isnt demi hugging banned
2008-02-07 18:26 < White_Cat> by the US federal court?
2008-02-07 18:26 < Zach> !admin, editprotected here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_Ice_Hockey_Player#Broken
2008-02-07 18:26 < Gracenotes> I don't know
2008-02-07 18:27 < Zach> it's displaying a raw parser function on the pages that transclude it
2008-02-07 18:27 < Gracenotes> maybe I should disconnect from kubrick.freenode.net, reconnect to orwell, and hug Demi again
2008-02-07 18:27 < Gracenotes> I'm pretty sure Demi hugging isn't forbidden in Finland
2008-02-07 18:27 < White_Cat> Gracenotes findland is like US
2008-02-07 18:27 < White_Cat> its the 58th state
2008-02-07 18:29 < The359> Demi hugging will get you shot around these parts
2008-02-07 18:40 < Snowolf> O.o nalioth down :)
2008-02-07 18:41 < Starnestommy> even staff are not immune to peer
2008-02-07 18:42 < Predator> XD
2008-02-07 18:50 < White_Cat> RichiH!
2008-02-07 18:50 < White_Cat> nalioth down! nalioth down!
2008-02-07 18:50 < White_Cat> RichiH dont staffers reside on the same secret server?
2008-02-07 18:51 < Starnestommy> White_Cat: I think they use different ones
2008-02-07 18:51 < tomaw> that would make us rather easy to take offline
2008-02-07 18:51 < Gracenotes> heh
2008-02-07 18:51 < White_Cat> tomaw well
2008-02-07 18:51 < White_Cat> swpwnsa hoq awcret it is
2008-02-07 18:51 < White_Cat> *depends how secret it is
2008-02-07 18:52 < tomaw> oh, I thought you was trying to talk in code
2008-02-07 18:52 < tomaw> I stick by the rather generic rule that if you take out 127.1 all your problems will be solved.
2008-02-07 18:52 < Predator> nalioth 1 down I repeat nalioth down :DDD
2008-02-07 18:53 < White_Cat> tomaw no I was typing with a shift of 1 key
2008-02-07 18:53 < White_Cat> sort of
2008-02-07 18:53 < White_Cat> 127.1 is not a vaid ip
2008-02-07 18:53 < Gracenotes> Nalioth sounds like the name of a space ship, or space center
2008-02-07 18:54 < White_Cat> This is the USS Nalioth
2008-02-07 18:54 < Predator> nah, a military helicopter :P
2008-02-07 18:54 < tomaw> White_Cat: sure it is
2008-02-07 18:54 < Gracenotes> or naval ship
2008-02-07 18:54 < White_Cat> Nalioth sounds more like a pokemon
2008-02-07 18:54 < Predator> XD
2008-02-07 18:54 < tomaw> IPv4 contracts similar to v6
2008-02-07 18:54 < Gracenotes> I choose you, Nalioth!
2008-02-07 18:54 < White_Cat> Nalioth I choose you!
2008-02-07 18:54 * White_Cat battles against a Gracenotes
2008-02-07 18:55 < White_Cat> Nalioth use peck?
2008-02-07 18:55 < Gracenotes> oh noes
2008-02-07 18:55 < White_Cat> Not pluck! O_o
2008-02-07 18:55 < White_Cat> eeek! what are you doing to him I cant look
2008-02-07 18:55 < Gracenotes> ...
2008-02-07 18:55 * White_Cat hides behind tomaw :P
2008-02-07 18:55 < Gracenotes> ?
2008-02-07 18:56 < Gracenotes> good evening/morning/afternoon, Hildanknightaway
2008-02-07 18:56 < tomaw> cavalry arrives!
2008-02-07 18:56 < christel> rawr
2008-02-07 18:57 < Gracenotes> D: ... intimidating
2008-02-07 18:57 < White_Cat> Gracenotes whynnot just say
2008-02-07 18:57 < White_Cat> "Good day"
2008-02-07 18:57 < White_Cat> christel is definately a space ship name
2008-02-07 18:57 < White_Cat> USS Christel
2008-02-07 18:57 < White_Cat> or
2008-02-07 18:57 < White_Cat> ISS Christel?
2008-02-07 18:58 < Snowolf> HMS Christel sounds good
2008-02-07 18:59 < White_Cat> Snowolf no
2008-02-07 18:59 < White_Cat> no no no
2008-02-07 19:00 < Snowolf> :(
2008-02-07 19:00 < White_Cat> ISS <- Imperial Star Ship
2008-02-07 19:00 * Hildanknight waves to Gracenotes (it's morning in Singapore, by the way).
2008-02-07 19:00 < White_Cat> VSS!
2008-02-07 19:00 < White_Cat> yes
2008-02-07 19:00 * Snowolf dislikes the Imperials
2008-02-07 19:00 < White_Cat> VGSS christel
2008-02-07 19:00 < White_Cat> HMS = her magesties ship
2008-02-07 19:01 < Random832> VGSS?
2008-02-07 19:01 < Snowolf> Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle Christel!
2008-02-07 19:01 < Gracenotes> Hildanknight: all right. I generally know the time of day in England or California (living in New York), but I don't do Singaporean time zone conversion often enough to be good at it :)
2008-02-07 19:02 < Hildanknight> Haha. It's 8am here.
2008-02-07 19:02 < Random832> Fri Feb 8 08:02:29 SGT 2008
2008-02-07 19:02 < Random832> and I will never understand why the default output of that program puts the year at the end after the time
2008-02-07 19:03 < White_Cat> Virgin Galactic Spae Ship
2008-02-07 19:03 < White_Cat> Christel isnt a very thretening name
2008-02-07 19:03 < White_Cat> its more of a caring name
2008-02-07 19:03 < Hildanknight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#IP_posts_the_Jyllands-Posten_cartoons_on_the_talk_page_of_a_muslim
2008-02-07 19:04 < White_Cat> a hosptal ship maybe
2008-02-07 19:04 < Gracenotes> White_Cat: yes... and there's no problem with that :)
2008-02-07 19:04 < Hildanknight> "The warning should be for use of copyright images in a context where fair use is not allowed. The religious sensibilities of someone who makes what appear to be legal and other threats from a single-purpose/single-edit IP address shouldn't count for anything."
2008-02-07 19:04 < White_Cat> Gracenotes sure there is
2008-02-07 19:04 < White_Cat> torpedoes away
2008-02-07 19:04 < Hildanknight> "I find it really offfensive that Attiq Ur Rehman thinks it's ok to attack free speech. In a free country like the United States, where Wikipedia is located, people are free from the censorious behavior of religious "authorities". People like Ur Rehman should go to jail for their attempted censorship."
2008-02-07 19:04 < Hildanknight> :O
2008-02-07 19:04 * White_Cat is nazi :P
2008-02-07 19:04 < Random832> Hildanknight: that last one was severely missing the point of freedom of speech :P
2008-02-07 19:04 < Gracenotes> White_Cat: that's right. </pun>
2008-02-07 19:05 < Random832> we have freedom _of_ speech, not freedom _from_ speech :P
2008-02-07 19:05 < Gracenotes> Hildanknight: I've noticed the Mohammad image issue has been popping up again. Is it getting external interest?
2008-02-07 19:05 < Hildanknight> Random832: Exactly. (I'm quoting a comment by another user. That's not my opinion; in fact, I strongly disagree with him.)
2008-02-07 19:05 < Random832> feel free to steal that response
2008-02-07 19:05 < Hildanknight> Gracenotes - someone posted the cartoons to a user talk page.
2008-02-07 19:06 < Gracenotes> how much discussion has that resulted in?
2008-02-07 19:07 < White_Cat> freedom to speech
2008-02-07 19:07 * White_Cat talks nonsense
2008-02-07 19:07 < White_Cat> yay!
2008-02-07 19:07 < Hildanknight> Look at the thread. Look at comments by Argyriou, an American who thinks it is OK to attack Muslims.
2008-02-07 19:08 * Gracenotes clicks
2008-02-07 19:08 < White_Cat> Hildanknight oh it is ok but only if you join blackwater USA
2008-02-07 19:08 * Hildanknight slashes White_Cat with his sword.
2008-02-07 19:09 * White_Cat dodges
2008-02-07 19:09 * White_Cat uses its zampactou to make short work of Hildanknight
2008-02-07 19:09 < CompwhizII> okay, why is the database locked? :P
2008-02-07 19:09 * Hildanknight relies on his shining armour to defend against White_Cat's zampactou.
2008-02-07 19:10 < CompwhizII> nvm its back
2008-02-07 19:10 < Hildanknight> Is it just my experiences, or do Americans have a very high tolerance for racism and religion-based attacks?
2008-02-07 19:12 < Hildanknight> Please note that this is not about whether the images should remain in the article (I have no position on that), but about Argyriou's comments, which suggest he thinks it is OK to attack Muslims.
2008-02-07 19:25 < }{obbes> Hildanknight: Americans have a very high tolerance for defamatory speech, yes.
2008-02-07 19:27 < Hildanknight> Singaporeans have a very low tolerance for such attacks, because we consider racial (and religious) harmony very important.
2008-02-07 19:27 < Gracenotes> Hildanknight: harmony, or unity?
2008-02-07 19:28 < Gracenotes> :P
2008-02-07 19:28 < Hildanknight> Both, although we use the word "harmony" here.
2008-02-07 19:28 < Hildanknight> Such attacks threaten our racial (and religious) harmony and may provoke racial/religious conflict.
2008-02-07 19:29 < Cyrius> being offended and yelling and screaming about them _is_ conflict
2008-02-07 19:29 < }{obbes> Hildanknight: I understand that.
2008-02-07 19:29 < }{obbes> However, that's not the American way.
2008-02-07 19:29 < Gracenotes> so long as maintaining the harmony isn't more costly than allowing such attacks, you should be fine. But then again, I'm not quite sure what point I'm making.
2008-02-07 19:30 * Gracenotes distracts Hildanknight with a Sean Whitton doll
2008-02-07 19:30 * Hildanknight is not amused or distracted.
2008-02-07 19:30 * White_Cat thinks a Jimbo plushie doll would be more distracted
2008-02-07 19:30 < White_Cat> *distracting
2008-02-07 19:30 < }{obbes> The doll would be ... ah ... :)
2008-02-07 19:30 * LuciferTiger distracts the Jimbo plushie doll
2008-02-07 19:31 * White_Cat fires Gracenotes off the bridge
2008-02-07 19:31 * White_Cat detotanes the viewer screen
2008-02-07 19:31 * LuciferTiger paints White_Cat black
2008-02-07 19:32 * Hildanknight sees that we are getting off-topic; the topic is tolerance, or lack thereof, for racism and religion-based attacks.
2008-02-07 19:32 < Gracenotes> Hildanknight: in Singapore, what are you more concerned about: the content of a conflict-causing position, or the way the content is communicated?
2008-02-07 19:32 < White_Cat> Hildanknight they are being asses
2008-02-07 19:33 < Hildanknight> Gracenotes: we are more concerned about how such content may offend people and cause conflict.
2008-02-07 19:34 < Gracenotes> content causing conflict isn't a *bad* thing, per se.
2008-02-07 19:34 < Gracenotes> otherwise, nothing significant changes.
2008-02-07 19:35 < Hildanknight> It depends on what kind of conflict you are talking about. :P
2008-02-07 19:35 < Gracenotes> hm, you're right.
2008-02-07 19:35 < Gracenotes> you were talking about racial/religious issues earlier. How is race an issue in Singapore?
2008-02-07 19:36 < Gracenotes> is there any discrimination, or conflict caused by alleged discrimination?
2008-02-07 19:36 < Gracenotes> (just wondering. I don't live there, don't know =])
2008-02-07 19:37 < Hildanknight> In modern Singapore, racism and discrimination are almost unheard of. Hence, isolated incidents get a lot of media attention (and draw a lot of flak from Singaporeans).
2008-02-07 19:37 < Gracenotes> what's the general Singaporean consensus on homosexuality?
2008-02-07 19:38 < Monobi> Er?
2008-02-07 19:39 < Gracenotes> I'm just wondering what kind of conflict exists in HK's country... I personally have no idea :)
2008-02-07 19:39 < }{obbes> It's illegal.
2008-02-07 19:39 < Hildanknight> A recent debate about homosexuality suggests that most Singaporeans are against homosexuality.
2008-02-07 19:39 < }{obbes> Punishable by up to two years in prison.
2008-02-07 19:40 < Gracenotes> according to the wiki article, which I'm reading atm
2008-02-07 19:40 * Hildanknight is part of the majority, much to the consternation of Kmccoy.
2008-02-07 19:40 < Monobi> consternation?
2008-02-07 19:42 < Hildanknight> Because he supports gay rights.
2008-02-07 19:43 < Demi> being "against homosexuality" is idiotic
2008-02-07 19:43 * Cyrius against government recognition of gay marriage...but then, he is against government recognition of any kind of marriage
2008-02-07 19:45 < Monobi> I'm against government recognized marriage
2008-02-07 19:46 < Cyrius> the stupid gay marriage argument is a natural consequence of mixing up government and religion
2008-02-07 19:47 < AzaTht> [01:40:38] <AzaBot> Xinhua: Urgent: Strong earthquake hits E Indonesia (http://rss.xinhuanet.com/newsc/english/2008-02/08/content_7581376.htm)
2008-02-07 19:47 < Cyrius> 6.1 isn't too terrible
2008-02-07 19:48 < Cyrius> there was a 6.3 in chile on the 4th, and a 5.9 in the congo on the 3rd
2008-02-07 19:49 < White_Cat> Monobi so you support sex slavery?
2008-02-07 19:49 < Cyrius> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2008nda9.php
2008-02-07 19:50 < Monobi> White_Cat, no.
2008-02-07 19:50 < Monobi> What are you talking about?
2008-02-07 19:50 < Cyrius> which was like 4 hours ago
2008-02-07 19:50 < White_Cat> Monobi which is why government recognition is necesary
2008-02-07 19:50 < Monobi> Er, no. I support polygamy though.
2008-02-07 19:51 * Cyrius doubts earthquake.usgs.gov is running far enough behind to get beaten on a new one by the average news service
2008-02-07 19:51 < Monobi> Government recognized civil unions.
2008-02-07 19:51 < Monobi> Then anyone can have a "civil union".
2008-02-07 19:51 < Cyrius> oh, neat
2008-02-07 19:52 < AzaTht> Cyrius: it's china news, you must trust them!!! ツ
2008-02-07 19:52 < Cyrius> they have earthquake news feeds
2008-02-07 19:52 * Cyrius subscribes to the magnitude 5+ feed
2008-02-07 19:54 < Cyrius> that's kinda interesting, two magnitude 5 quakes on top of the same place near fiji in twelve hours
2008-02-07 19:54 < AzaTht> Cyrius: where?
2008-02-07 19:54 < White_Cat> in the absense of government regulation sex slavery is the case
2008-02-07 19:54 < Cyrius> where what?
2008-02-07 19:54 < White_Cat> typicaly women are sold for a price
2008-02-07 19:54 < AzaTht> the feed you talk about?
2008-02-07 19:55 < Cyrius> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/catalogs/
2008-02-07 19:55 < Gracenotes> Hildanknight: hi :)
2008-02-07 19:55 * White_Cat feeds AzaTht to Cyrius
2008-02-07 19:55 < Gracenotes> sorry... my computer crashed.
2008-02-07 19:55 * Hildanknight waves to Gracenotes
2008-02-07 19:55 * White_Cat waves Gracenotes to Hildanknight
2008-02-07 19:55 < Gracenotes> Firefox's bookmarks got wiped out... again :|
2008-02-07 19:55 < Gracenotes> hello, all.
2008-02-07 19:55 < Snowolf> Gracenotes: back them up this time
2008-02-07 19:55 < White_Cat> Gracenotes you didnt need them anyways
2008-02-07 19:55 < White_Cat> why not bookmark Gracenotes?
2008-02-07 19:55 < Hildanknight> Get Opera.
2008-02-07 19:56 < White_Cat> err backup
2008-02-07 19:56 < Gracenotes> Snowolf: yeah, I know I should
2008-02-07 19:56 < AzaTht> ty
2008-02-07 19:56 < Gracenotes> if there were an easy way to serialize Firefox bookmarks, I would
2008-02-07 19:56 < Gracenotes> but there is nothing I know of
2008-02-07 19:56 < x42bn6> @Gracenotes: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Lost_bookmarks
2008-02-07 19:56 < x42bn6> has some useful information about potential recovery
2008-02-07 19:56 < Gracenotes> ah, thanks
2008-02-07 19:57 < Gracenotes> I should bookmark it :)
2008-02-07 19:57 < Messedrocker> hello lead 54
2008-02-07 19:57 < x42bn6> lolol but recover it first, because it might overwrite your previous bookmarks or something
2008-02-07 19:57 < Messedrocker> hello mark ryan
2008-02-07 19:57 * Hildanknight sees the irony.
2008-02-07 19:57 < Messedrocker> hello mindstorms kid
2008-02-07 19:58 * Hildanknight waves to MessedRocker
2008-02-07 19:58 < White_Cat> Gracenotes oh thats easy
2008-02-07 19:58 < White_Cat> all you need to do is copy the firefox folder
2008-02-07 19:58 < Mark_Ryan> how's it hanging, Messedrocker?
2008-02-07 19:59 < White_Cat> you can infact copy paste to restore all your settings, bookmarks, and even passwords
2008-02-07 20:00 < Messedrocker> hello hildan knight
2008-02-07 20:00 < }{obbes> White_Cat: How does sex slavery result from removing government recognition of marriages?
2008-02-07 20:00 < White_Cat> }{obbes see middle eastern countries
2008-02-07 20:00 < }{obbes> Tjat
2008-02-07 20:00 < Gracenotes> x42bn6: thanks, you're a lifesaver :)
2008-02-07 20:01 < }{obbes> That's a non sequitur.
2008-02-07 20:01 < White_Cat> where marige is cast by an imam and has no official value
2008-02-07 20:01 < Gracenotes> bookmark saver, even, though my list is short, I still use the small collection of links often :)
2008-02-07 20:01 < }{obbes> That two phenomena occur together does not mean that one causes the other.
2008-02-07 20:02 < Gracenotes> at least, that's what the }{obbesians say
2008-02-07 20:03 < Demi> White_Cat - you're explaining yourself extremely poorly
2008-02-07 20:05 < x42bn6> @gracenotes: You can just export your bookmarks somewhere every once in a while as well
2008-02-07 20:05 < Gracenotes> how?
2008-02-07 20:06 < Gracenotes> the article probably has an explanation for that, actually
2008-02-07 20:06 * Gracenotes RTFAs...
2008-02-07 20:07 < White_Cat> demi think of it this way
2008-02-07 20:07 < White_Cat> if government deosnt officialy marry you
2008-02-07 20:07 < White_Cat> how will you seek your rights
2008-02-07 20:07 < Gracenotes> hm, the Manager has exporting and important. I wish I knew that :|
2008-02-07 20:07 < White_Cat> as in a divorse
2008-02-07 20:07 < Gracenotes> *importing
2008-02-07 20:07 < }{obbes> White_Cat: If you're not officially married, you don't need a divorce ...
2008-02-07 20:08 < White_Cat> what will be there to prevent me from marrying you and holding you captive for my pleasure of it
2008-02-07 20:08 < White_Cat> if I have the money...
2008-02-07 20:10 < }{obbes> White_Cat: The laws of the state that prevents any person from holding another person captive.
2008-02-07 20:10 < White_Cat> if I am holding you captive in the right way you wouldnt seek an escape
2008-02-07 20:11 < White_Cat> I;d never the less abuse you
2008-02-07 20:11 < }{obbes> White_Cat: It's not like if the US were to abolish state recognized marriages tomorrow, it would suddenly be legal to imprison women.
2008-02-07 20:11 < White_Cat> since I married you at a very early age
2008-02-07 20:11 < x42bn6> @gracenotes: Bookmarks > organise bookmarks > file > export...
2008-02-07 20:11 < }{obbes> White_Cat: That has no bearing on the argument at hand.
2008-02-07 20:11 < White_Cat> }{obbes oh really
2008-02-07 20:11 < Gracenotes> x42bn6: yes, found it :)
2008-02-07 20:11 < Gracenotes> very useful
2008-02-07 20:11 < White_Cat> who will regulate the age of marrige?
2008-02-07 20:11 < White_Cat> who is to say I cant marry a 4 year old if there is no gov involvement
2008-02-07 20:12 < White_Cat> what if I pass the now grown 4 year old around no different than a sex slave
2008-02-07 20:12 < White_Cat> this is exactly why state regulation is necesary
2008-02-07 20:12 < }{obbes> White_Cat: There will be no marriage so there is no age of marriage to regulate. However, the state may well regulate when sexual intercourse is permitted. As it already does ...
2008-02-07 20:12 < White_Cat> as for gay marige or lesbian marige I have no issue with
2008-02-07 20:12 < White_Cat> }{obbes then you are regulating marrige
2008-02-07 20:12 < }{obbes> White_Cat: No.
2008-02-07 20:13 < }{obbes> Sex is not the same as marriage.
2008-02-07 20:13 < White_Cat> really?
2008-02-07 20:13 < }{obbes> White_Cat: Really.
2008-02-07 20:13 < White_Cat> of course not
2008-02-07 20:13 < White_Cat> but what if I have the consent of the child that is now 18 year old
2008-02-07 20:13 < }{obbes> White_Cat: A law on how old you must be to have sexual intercourse is not regulating marriage.
2008-02-07 20:13 < }{obbes> What then?
2008-02-07 20:13 < White_Cat> sex slavery
2008-02-07 20:14 < White_Cat> she isnt aware of her rights in the isolated environment I brought her up
2008-02-07 20:14 < Gracenotes> the opposite of being legally able to have sex is being a sex slave? hm.
2008-02-07 20:14 < White_Cat> you have to admit even in a more likely scenario abuse is less likely to catch anyones attention
2008-02-07 20:14 < }{obbes> I don't see how that relates to marriage regulation. Someone may bring up a girl in an isolated environment and mistreat her whether the state has laws on marriage regulation or not ...
2008-02-07 20:15 < White_Cat> }{obbes what age do you think people should be allowed to marry?
2008-02-07 20:15 < }{obbes> White_Cat: I don't care.
2008-02-07 20:15 < White_Cat> 21? 18? 16? 12? 8? 4? 2? less?
2008-02-07 20:15 < }{obbes> I leave that for others to bicker about.
2008-02-07 20:15 < White_Cat> without government regulation any age is ok
2008-02-07 20:16 < White_Cat> and thats just one of the many problems in a vacum
2008-02-07 20:16 < }{obbes> That is not a problem.
2008-02-07 20:16 < White_Cat> how about close relatives marying?
2008-02-07 20:16 < }{obbes> Given that the state has sensible laws.
2008-02-07 20:16 < }{obbes> As modern, Western states do.
2008-02-07 20:16 < White_Cat> }{obbes which state?
2008-02-07 20:16 < }{obbes> The US for one.
2008-02-07 20:16 < }{obbes> White_Cat: Most states ban close relatives from having sex.
2008-02-07 20:17 < White_Cat> if you are married laws affect change drasticaly.
2008-02-07 20:17 < White_Cat> }{obbes so I can marry my suster but cant have sex
2008-02-07 20:17 < White_Cat> seems like a defacto regulation
2008-02-07 20:17 < White_Cat> being jailed for having consensual sex with your wife...