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2008-02-07 12:52 < OverlordQ> suuuuure they were
2008-02-07 12:52 < mib_agp8za7v> so I come here to get this dealt with either that or I call their lawyers
2008-02-07 12:52 < NotACow> mib_agp8za7v: haev fun with that.
2008-02-07 12:52 < zvook> she talks in her sleep very astutely
2008-02-07 12:52 < TheWeasel> Do the latter, our jurisdiction is Trenton, NJ.
2008-02-07 12:52 < Riana|Sleep> I does what I does
2008-02-07 12:53 < TheWeasel> When you've calmed down, then write about species of bumblebees.
2008-02-07 12:53 < NotACow> WIKIPEDIA IS FULL OF BEES
2008-02-07 12:53 < OverlordQ> O SHIT, NOT BEES
2008-02-07 12:53 < IronManMario> is that a meme?
2008-02-07 12:53 < IronManMario> wtf?
2008-02-07 12:53 < NotACow> memes don't exist
2008-02-07 12:53 < IronManMario> I've heard that 3 times
2008-02-07 12:53 < IronManMario> it must be a meme
2008-02-07 12:54 < NotACow> i can't imagine why he migt have been blocked. can you?
2008-02-07 12:54 < bumm13> cool, he left
2008-02-07 12:54 < TheWeasel> Trenton, NJ judges, you'll get work.
2008-02-07 12:54 < NotACow> there are some people even i agree need to be blocked :)
2008-02-07 12:55 < NotACow> then again, i think i should have been blocked two years ago, but nobody ever did.
2008-02-07 12:55 < NotACow> you stupid fools
2008-02-07 12:55 < Aqwis> jimbo? ;(
2008-02-07 12:55 < NotACow> too late now :)
2008-02-07 12:55 < NotACow> Aqwis: actually, yes, jimbo should at least be deadminned, if not actually blocked.
2008-02-07 12:56 < NotACow> he tries to own his own article, edits out of self-interest, use wikipedia to promote himself and his business ventures, and generally violates all sorts of established policy.
2008-02-07 12:56 < zvook> wheelwarring and using talk page for politics?
2008-02-07 12:59 < TheWeasel> a lot of the donation money goes into things that are not Wikipedia, it seems to me
2008-02-07 12:59 < TheWeasel> like camps for people somewhere to learn about wikis
2008-02-07 12:59 < bumm13> I would never even consider donating a dime to the project
2008-02-07 13:00 < bumm13> (for that very reason)
2008-02-07 13:01 < TheWeasel> but it has enthusiastic followers in WMF Germany
2008-02-07 13:01 < TheWeasel> people that come up with their very own bad ideas
2008-02-07 13:01 < bumm13> too much idealistic la-la-land stuff and too little towards improving the project itself
2008-02-07 13:03 < Demi> when i donate money it's usually to something else; there are always a thousand worthy causes out there
2008-02-07 13:03 < NotACow> yeah
2008-02-07 13:03 < Demi> NotACow - Ron Howard
2008-02-07 13:03 < NotACow> i haven't donated to WMF in a long time
2008-02-07 13:04 < Demi> Neil Patrick Harris, maybe
2008-02-07 13:04 < NotACow> Demi: ok, fair
2008-02-07 13:04 < Demi> NotACow - Daniel Radcliffe, yet, at least (though he seems pretty copacetic)
2008-02-07 13:05 < NotACow> he's still a kid
2008-02-07 13:05 < NotACow> despite doing that equus thing
2008-02-07 13:05 < Demi> he's like 30
2008-02-07 13:05 < TheWeasel> what is copacetic?
2008-02-07 13:06 < TheWeasel> I know a few from chess, Sammy Reshevsky
2008-02-07 13:06 < TheWeasel> Vladimir Kramnik
2008-02-07 13:06 < Demi> TheWeasel - happily satisfied, i guess
2008-02-07 13:06 < TheWeasel> oh
2008-02-07 13:07 < Demi> something akin to gemutlichkeit, maybe?
2008-02-07 13:07 < TheWeasel> Hm... people aren't usually gemütlich
2008-02-07 13:07 < Demi> a situation can be copacetic, too
2008-02-07 13:08 < TheWeasel> unless they're really old and don't move much but are pleasant to be around
2008-02-07 13:08 < bumm13> copacetica!
2008-02-07 13:08 < TheWeasel> a "gemutlich elderly man" would be a pipe-smoking grandfather sitting in a chair all day talking about times past
2008-02-07 13:10 < TheWeasel> happily satisfied... "glücklich und zufrieden"
2008-02-07 13:11 < TheWeasel> "vergnügt" is good
2008-02-07 13:11 < TheWeasel> Well folks, I have to quit this bazaar
2008-02-07 13:11 < TheWeasel> bbl
2008-02-07 13:11 < Demi> there are a few conditions which english doesn't quite have a term for, so we borrow things like schadenfreude and so forth
2008-02-07 13:11 < Demi> later the_giver
2008-02-07 13:11 < Demi> TheWeasel - bye
2008-02-07 13:11 < Demi> the_giver - sorry
2008-02-07 13:11 < TheWeasel> hah yea
2008-02-07 13:12 < TheWeasel> very German feeling :-P
2008-02-07 13:12 < bumm13> pinkfleude
2008-02-07 13:12 < TheWeasel> as well as Angst
2008-02-07 13:12 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/12/02/crabby-old-man-kitteh-tellz-u-boring-storeez/
2008-02-07 13:12 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-02-07 13:12 < TheWeasel> scary
2008-02-07 13:12 < bumm13> haha
2008-02-07 13:13 < TheWeasel> I love "hinterland"
2008-02-07 13:13 < TheWeasel> and of course Hegel's "zeitgeist"
2008-02-07 13:13 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, your "gemutlich elderly man" comment reminded me. ;)
2008-02-07 13:13 < TheWeasel> haha, this one is definitely ungemütlich
2008-02-07 13:14 < TheWeasel> Anyway, later
2008-02-07 13:37 < NotACow> moo dammit
2008-02-07 13:38 < NotACow> wikipedia needs more vandalism
2008-02-07 13:38 < Doc_glasgow> troll
2008-02-07 13:39 < NotACow> if there's ntot enough vandalism, the admins get bored and cause trouble.
2008-02-07 13:39 < AzaTht> so you republicans have one less person to poke onto
2008-02-07 13:39 < Doc_glasgow> NotACow: the alternative would be to permaban the vandals then reduced the admins
2008-02-07 13:40 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: you can't do that
2008-02-07 13:40 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: that would make the admins sad
2008-02-07 13:40 < Doc_glasgow> NotACow: no
2008-02-07 13:40 < NotACow> they worked hard to earn that adminship, you can't just take it away like that
2008-02-07 13:40 < Doc_glasgow> NotACow: because the ones we kept would be happy admins, and the rest would not be admins
2008-02-07 13:40 < Doc_glasgow> so all the admins would be happy
2008-02-07 13:40 < AzaTht> haha
2008-02-07 13:41 < Doc_glasgow> and happy admins make for a happy wiki
2008-02-07 13:41 < Tony_Sidaway> Doc_glasgow: well put. We wouldn't need admins if there weren't problems.
2008-02-07 13:41 < Doc_glasgow> as long as I get to do the culling
2008-02-07 13:41 < AzaTht> we need more jimbos
2008-02-07 13:41 < NotACow> we definitely do not need more jimbos
2008-02-07 13:41 < NotACow> if anythingw e need fewer jimbos
2008-02-07 13:42 < Doc_glasgow> We just need one Jimbo, but we haven't had a proper Jimbo for at least 2 years now
2008-02-07 13:42 < AzaTht> perhaps, but at least we need more brions
2008-02-07 13:42 < NotACow> AzaTht: won't argue that
2008-02-07 13:42 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: i'm not sure we ever had a proper jimbo
2008-02-07 13:42 * AzaTht goes to the clone factory and clones ten brion
2008-02-07 13:43 < Doc_glasgow> we could make Raul into the new Jimbo
2008-02-07 13:44 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: gaaah
2008-02-07 13:44 < Doc_glasgow> [[Wikipedia:Requests for Jimboship/NewYorkBrad]]
2008-02-07 13:45 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: that might actually pass
2008-02-07 13:46 < Doc_glasgow> NotACow: unless some really cute and buxom young female wikipedian want to run against him, yes
2008-02-07 13:46 < Cyrius> mmm
2008-02-07 13:46 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: are there any such beasts?
2008-02-07 13:47 < Doc_glasgow> let's face it, wikipedians are suckers for accounts that could possibly be cute chicks
2008-02-07 13:47 < Doc_glasgow> if I was to re-incarnate my wiki-identity I'd make sure everyone believed I was slender, 19 and female
2008-02-07 13:48 < Doc_glasgow> a pink cuddly userpage
2008-02-07 13:48 < Doc_glasgow> and I'd be a slam-dunk for arbcom
2008-02-07 13:48 < Doc_glasgow> (via a bit of vandalfighting )
2008-02-07 13:48 < Tony_Sidaway> Actually arbcom is overwhelmingly male, historically.
2008-02-07 13:48 * Doc_glasgow is cynical
2008-02-07 13:49 < Doc_glasgow> Tony_Sidaway: only due to the lack of cute 19 year old female candidates
2008-02-07 13:49 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't know whether that reflect the demographics of the regular membership.
2008-02-07 13:53 < AnitaW> I'm stumped, I want to load a picture, I am signed on in Wikimedia, I have typed in the description but how do I load the picture?
2008-02-07 13:54 < Cyrius> what picture?
2008-02-07 13:54 < Cyrius> one that's already on the site?
2008-02-07 13:55 < AnitaW> I have just received permission to use a picture in a web page for a wikipage I'm editing
2008-02-07 13:55 < AnitaW> no there is no such picture
2008-02-07 13:55 < Cyrius> what kind of permission?
2008-02-07 13:56 < AnitaW> They held a meeting and after that they let me know I may use it
2008-02-07 13:56 < White_Cat> mmm
2008-02-07 13:56 < Cyrius> yes, but what kind of licensing?
2008-02-07 13:56 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway is joining a 19 aged female users cabal?
2008-02-07 13:56 < Cyrius> what are the terms?
2008-02-07 13:56 < White_Cat> and Cyrius wants to join?
2008-02-07 13:56 < White_Cat> O_o
2008-02-07 13:56 < AnitaW> They said I may use it on the wiki
2008-02-07 13:56 < White_Cat> let me in too
2008-02-07 13:57 < The359> That's not a permission that is acceptable on Wiki, AnitaW
2008-02-07 13:58 * Cyrius sighs
2008-02-07 13:58 < AnitaW> I think it is academic because the picture is older than 50 years
2008-02-07 13:58 < Cyrius> copyright lasts longer than that
2008-02-07 13:58 < Cyrius> usually
2008-02-07 13:58 < AnitaW> Not as far as I know in South Africa
2008-02-07 13:59 < The359> if you think it's not copyrighted, why would you need to ask permission?
2008-02-07 13:59 < AnitaW> I think it was more a polite thing and I also learned later about the 50 years thing
2008-02-07 14:00 < Cyrius> "As a self-governing 'dominion' within the British Empire, South Africa became a signatory to the Berne Convention in 1928."
2008-02-07 14:00 < Cyrius> didn't even know the thing was around that long
2008-02-07 14:02 < Cyrius> in south africa, it's 50 years after the death of the author
2008-02-07 14:02 < Cyrius> it seems
2008-02-07 14:02 < Cyrius> the page I'm reading is outdated on at least one point
2008-02-07 14:03 < Tony_Sidaway> I believe South Africa is a member of the World Trade Organization
2008-02-07 14:03 < Tony_Sidaway> In that case it is governed by one of the international copyright conventions (Berne?)
2008-02-07 14:03 < Cyrius> ...I just said south africa became a party to the berne convention in 1928
2008-02-07 14:04 < Tony_Sidaway> Cyrius: sowwy, was too busy grepping the wiki :)
2008-02-07 14:04 < Cyrius> huh
2008-02-07 14:04 < Cyrius> (b) cinematograph films, photographs and computer programs, fifty years from the end of the year in which the work-
2008-02-07 14:04 < Cyrius> (i) is made available to the public with the consent of the owner of the copyright; or
2008-02-07 14:04 < Cyrius> (ii) is first published,
2008-02-07 14:04 < Cyrius> whichever term is the longer
2008-02-07 14:05 < Cyrius> according to http://www.legalnet.co.za/cyberlaw/CopyrightAct.htm
2008-02-07 14:06 < Cyrius> oh, there seems to have been a 2001 amendment, wonder what it says
2008-02-07 14:07 < Cyrius> seems to be about audio distribution
2008-02-07 14:07 < AnitaW> this is the Url of the picture http://www.volkspele.co.za/cms/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=2
2008-02-07 14:07 < Cyrius> isn't international copyright law fun? (no)
2008-02-07 14:08 < Cyrius> the one at the top?
2008-02-07 14:08 < Cyrius> stretched out badly-scanned image of a bald guy?
2008-02-07 14:08 < AnitaW> both actually but I will fix no 1
2008-02-07 14:09 < AnitaW> yes that is him the creator of Volkspele my wikipage
2008-02-07 14:09 < Tony_Sidaway> The picture would also be protected by US copyright, I suspect, since the wiki's servers are in Florida or California or wherever they are now.
2008-02-07 14:10 < Cyrius> servers aren't moving from florida
2008-02-07 14:10 < AnitaW> But doen't the "owners" of the web page the right to say if I can copy it?
2008-02-07 14:11 < Cyrius> AnitaW: it's not about whether they give you permission, it's whether they give Wikipedia and everyone who reads it permission under acceptable terms
2008-02-07 14:11 < Cyrius> Wikipedia wants to avoid images that can not be reused by everyone
2008-02-07 14:12 < AnitaW> They stipulated that I may use all the info and media on their web page for Wikipedia
2008-02-07 14:13 < bumm13> it also has to be available for potential commercial use
2008-02-07 14:13 < Cyrius> just having permission to put something in Wikipedia is not acceptable
2008-02-07 14:14 < AnitaW> what would be?
2008-02-07 14:14 < Cyrius> people still don't get that the "free encyclopedia" thing isn't about cost
2008-02-07 14:15 < AnitaW> Still anyone can copy that image from the current web without any restriction?
2008-02-07 14:16 < Cyrius> not legally, no
2008-02-07 14:16 < Cyrius> copyright law says that things people do all the time with images are illegal
2008-02-07 14:17 < Cyrius> something like http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/za/ or http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/za/
2008-02-07 14:17 < Cyrius> would be acceptable licensing terms
2008-02-07 14:18 < gwern> yeesh. freenode finally let me back on
2008-02-07 14:18 < Cyrius> you were gone?
2008-02-07 14:18 < The359> who are you?
2008-02-07 14:18 < gwern> yesterday at least
2008-02-07 14:18 < Cyrius> who am I?
2008-02-07 14:18 * gwern doesn't know who I am
2008-02-07 14:19 < Cyrius> your client doesn't seem to have gone anywhere
2008-02-07 14:19 < gwern> well, I was still being kicked off this morning, iirc
2008-02-07 14:19 < The359> that's why it was so nice...
2008-02-07 14:19 * White_Cat kicks gwern hard
2008-02-07 14:20 < White_Cat> gwern can fly!
2008-02-07 14:20 < White_Cat> *THUMP*
2008-02-07 14:20 < White_Cat> guess not...
2008-02-07 14:20 < The359> Kick the baby?
2008-02-07 14:21 * gwern is a tigger. of course I can fly, flying is something tiggers do best. I just don't feel like it right now
2008-02-07 14:22 < White_Cat> gwern I just saw you splat into a wall
2008-02-07 14:22 < White_Cat> poor wall
2008-02-07 14:22 < White_Cat> its all dirty and bloody now
2008-02-07 14:23 < The359> hmmm
2008-02-07 14:23 < gwern> spltting is something tiggers do best as well. did you ever see such a dirty and bloody wall after a tigger splatted into it?
2008-02-07 14:23 < Demi> does svn not honor http_proxy?
2008-02-07 14:23 < NotACow> DEATH TO TIGGERS
2008-02-07 14:23 < The359> apparently neither Obama or Clinton can statistically clinch the nomination with enough delegates before the Pennsylvania convention
2008-02-07 14:24 < NotACow> DEATH TO IRC BOTS, TOO
2008-02-07 14:24 < gwern> NotACow: oh noes!
2008-02-07 14:24 < The359> so we're actually going to have a choice in the outcome this time
2008-02-07 14:24 < NotACow> The359: the dem nom is going to come down to superdels.
2008-02-07 14:24 < White_Cat> The359 Bill Clinton has became so small after the campaign he can now fit a pocket
2008-02-07 14:24 < NotACow> White_Cat: jon stewart already made that joke.
2008-02-07 14:24 < White_Cat> hmm
2008-02-07 14:24 < White_Cat> he may need company in the pocket
2008-02-07 14:24 < NotACow> White_Cat: get some original material or get out
2008-02-07 14:25 < NotACow> White_Cat: jon made THAT joke too
2008-02-07 14:25 < White_Cat> we need a barbie
2008-02-07 14:25 < NotACow> White_Cat: he even stuffed a barbie doll INTO the picket.
2008-02-07 14:25 < NotACow> er, pocket
2008-02-07 14:25 < The359> hmm, and Mitt Romney has dropped out
2008-02-07 14:25 < NotACow> The359: there's still the open question whether hillary well have any money left by pennsylvania
2008-02-07 14:26 < gwern> The359: he has?
2008-02-07 14:26 < White_Cat> yes
2008-02-07 14:26 < White_Cat> he FINALY has
2008-02-07 14:26 < The359> today, yes
2008-02-07 14:26 < NotACow> The359: she's digging into her family finances now, and her staff is not being paid anymore
2008-02-07 14:26 < gwern> The359: I was just reading today's NY Times about how his strategy is to make it to the convention...
2008-02-07 14:26 < White_Cat> no more mitt romney
2008-02-07 14:26 < NotACow> romney suspended hs campaign
2008-02-07 14:26 < NotACow> he suspended it to avoid enabling a "surrender to terror"
2008-02-07 14:26 < Demi> he wanted to spend more time with his wives
2008-02-07 14:26 < White_Cat> mittromney never married
2008-02-07 14:26 < NotACow> he's a gay mormon?
2008-02-07 14:27 < Demi> i didn't say his wives were female
2008-02-07 14:27 < NotACow> wait, he's Orson Scott Card's secret lover?
2008-02-07 14:27 < The359> so I guess it's just McCain then
2008-02-07 14:27 < The359> and whoever is still dilusional in the Republican party
2008-02-07 14:27 < The359> wait...
2008-02-07 14:27 < White_Cat> Demi if clinton gets elected I will despise the new first lady
2008-02-07 14:27 < Demi> every time i use subversion i find something else to hate about it
2008-02-07 14:27 < gwern> huckabee
2008-02-07 14:27 < gwern> but he is delusional, yes
2008-02-07 14:27 < NotACow> buckabee
2008-02-07 14:27 < White_Cat> infact I'd not be suprised if he started dressing up like a woman
2008-02-07 14:27 < NotACow> mccain rep nom futures are now trading at 96
2008-02-07 14:28 < White_Cat> I can't imagine Bill Clinton in a skirt
2008-02-07 14:28 < NotACow> clinton dem nom is down to 42
2008-02-07 14:28 < The359> Gravel and Huckabee should hook up
2008-02-07 14:28 < NotACow> obama dem nom is up to 58
2008-02-07 14:28 < White_Cat> though in all fairness it would make his job esier
2008-02-07 14:28 < White_Cat> his tool would be more accessable
2008-02-07 14:28 < The359> Try and get some unity among parties as an independent
2008-02-07 14:28 < gwern> NotACow: where are you looking, Intrade?
2008-02-07 14:28 < NotACow> gwern: yes
2008-02-07 14:29 < White_Cat> Agreed a woman can be a president but a man cannot be a first lady
2008-02-07 14:29 * gwern uses the IEM, although intrade seems much more liquid and well-traded
2008-02-07 14:29 < NotACow> he would be the "first gentleman"
2008-02-07 14:29 < Demi> First Gentleman
2008-02-07 14:29 < gwern> White_Cat: sure he can. with technology, anything is possible!
2008-02-07 14:29 * The359 can already see Clinton, in his usual voice saying, "Dude, I'm Number One"
2008-02-07 14:29 < NotACow> The359: "make it so"
2008-02-07 14:30 < The359> I'm sure the DC area McDonalds will be happy to have Clinton back in the area
2008-02-07 14:32 < NotACow> obama is now slightly favored to win the presidency
2008-02-07 14:32 < NotACow> 0.37 obama, 0.36 mccain, 0.27 clinton
2008-02-07 14:33 < gwern> NotACow: I made a relative killing on democrative nomination futures in IEM by buying obama during super tuesday - like 5 dollars (which keeping in mind, my initial investment was 20$, is a pretty good return)
2008-02-07 14:33 < NotACow> gwern: heh, i bet
2008-02-07 14:33 < NotACow> well, no, you bet :)
2008-02-07 14:33 < gwern> quite
2008-02-07 14:34 < NotACow> gwern: i don't actually play intrade, mainly because of the difficulty of getting funds into the site
2008-02-07 14:34 < gwern> NotACow: oh? what's the problem?
2008-02-07 14:35 < gwern> actually, here's an interesting blog article on intrade and the race: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/02/buy-now-or-fore.html
2008-02-07 14:35 < NotACow> gwern: the site is, under US law, an "offshore internet gambling operation"
2008-02-07 14:35 < gwern> 'From what I've read on Intrade, you can fund your account with up to $250 using a credit card, and it should land in your account immediately. (More than this takes time.) Also, remember that you can sell contracts at any time afterward - you don't have to wait months to collect your payout.'
2008-02-07 14:35 < gwern> hm.
2008-02-07 14:35 < gwern> ('If you don't do either, then clearly you do not really believe that you know anything the prediction markets don't. (Or you don't understand expected utility, or your utilities over final outcomes drop off improbably fast in the vicinity of your current wealth minus fifty bucks - you don't have to bet the full $250.) It is free money, going now for anyone who genuinely thinks they know better than the prediction markets what will happen next.')
2008-02-07 14:35 < NotACow> gwern: most US credit card companies will not transfer funds to it.
2008-02-07 14:35 < NotACow> gwern: attempting to do so is technically illegal
2008-02-07 14:36 < gwern> how distressing
2008-02-07 14:36 < NotACow> gwern: in order for a US resident to get on intrade, one genereally has to go through a moneylaundering service.
2008-02-07 14:37 < NotACow> stupid laws
2008-02-07 14:37 < NotACow> IEM is special
2008-02-07 14:37 < gwern> 'Fortunately our disappointment about being shut-out of the markets due to gambling-oriented financial regulations may be partially assuaged by considering the various no-trade theorems, which state (under various idealized conditions) that you wouldn't trade in the markets even if you could, because the fact that someone else is willing to take the opposite side of the bet is prima facie evidence that his information is as good as yours.'
2008-02-07 14:37 < gwern> NotACow: sending a check wouldn't work?
2008-02-07 14:37 < NotACow> it is exempted from regulation because it's an "academic experiment"
2008-02-07 14:37 < NotACow> gwern: that's the only legal way to do it, as far as i know
2008-02-07 14:37 < gwern> NotACow: aye, I know - they have noaction letters from the IRS because of small volume and academic worth
2008-02-07 14:37 < NotACow> gwern: you may run into tax problems when you cash out, though
2008-02-07 14:37 < gwern> I mean, you can't get rich off IEM. too few people trading
2008-02-07 14:38 < NotACow> gwern: the no-action letters IEM has are from the SEC, not the IRS
2008-02-07 14:38 < NotACow> actually ythe CFTC
2008-02-07 14:38 < gwern> buying any more than 10 or 20$ of shares actually moves the market visibly... you'd wipe yourself out going into hundreds or thousands
2008-02-07 14:38 < gwern> NotACow: oh, was it the SEC? I read about that quite a while ago
2008-02-07 14:39 < gwern> 'A couple of months ago, Intrade had Ron Paul at close to 10%, the polls had him at 4 or 5%, and anyone with even the slightest hint of a suggestion of a clue knew that Ron Paul had 0% chance of getting the nomination. Now THAT was easy money. The Hillary/Obama trade is nowhere near a slam dunk.'
2008-02-07 14:42 < Ceiling_Cat> hello all!
2008-02-07 14:42 < gwern> greetings fellow human
2008-02-07 14:42 * Ceiling_Cat resents being called human
2008-02-07 14:43 < gwern> too bad. the deed, tis done
2008-02-07 14:43 < The359> Human After All
2008-02-07 14:45 < Ceiling_Cat> Anyone in here know Ubuntu well?
2008-02-07 14:45 < Ceiling_Cat> I need to fix one *very* irritating behavior
2008-02-07 14:45 < Ceiling_Cat> and I cannot figure out what is causing it
2008-02-07 14:46 * gwern is reasonably competent with gentoo, and I did use ubuntu for a while. say on
2008-02-07 14:46 < Ceiling_Cat> When I leave the machine idle, after about 10 minutes it closes all my apps and logs me out
2008-02-07 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> I wouldn't mind if it simply locked the screen, but closing my apps is unacceptable
2008-02-07 14:47 < gwern> interesting. 10 minutes sounds like the screensaver settings
2008-02-07 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> I have checked them up and down
2008-02-07 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> nothing about logging me out
2008-02-07 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> I increased the idleness required to active the screensaver to 2 hours today
2008-02-07 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> (have not yet tested it today)
2008-02-07 14:48 < gwern> 10 minutes isn't very long. go make yourself a sammich
2008-02-07 14:51 < NotACow> gwern: intrade is subject to manipulation by rich idiots
2008-02-07 14:52 < NotACow> gwern: i suspect the ron paul thing is due to rich idiots
2008-02-07 14:52 < gwern> NotACow: a lot of them are saying that. I'm looking at this forum thread where a fellow tries to demonstrate just that: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=88375
2008-02-07 14:52 < NotACow> gwern: if i were a well-moneyed political campaign, i would definitely consider spending some of it to artificially elevate my futures prices on intrade.
2008-02-07 14:53 < gwern> NotACow: for repub nomination, it is ridiculous, but he has quite a bit of cash which raises his odds a little for president since he could do a third-party cmapaign in a way reps/dems can't
2008-02-07 14:53 < gwern> NotACow: why? ads and rallys have real returns, and get more media coverage. even the wall street journal barely covers predictions markets, and they run one with intrade
2008-02-07 14:53 < NotACow> gwern: it's a tiny amount of money
2008-02-07 14:55 < NotACow> damn, there's no easy way to find out the total number of outstanding contracts, is there?
2008-02-07 14:55 * gwern has no idea. surely there must be?
2008-02-07 14:56 < NotACow> i'm not seeing it
2008-02-07 14:56 < NotACow> you can see the order book
2008-02-07 14:56 < NotACow> but that just shows you the outstanding bids and asks
2008-02-07 14:56 < NotACow> and you have no idea if the bids are long or the asks are short
2008-02-07 14:57 < Leslie_S> yay, bought a manpurse
2008-02-07 14:57 < Leslie_S> NotACow did you see my pm earlier?
2008-02-07 14:59 < gwern> hm. obama is down to 59% in EM
2008-02-07 14:59 < Ceiling_Cat> EM?
2008-02-07 14:59 < Leslie_S> East Montana?
2008-02-07 15:00 < celicni> could someone pleeease help me with collapsing tables? :(
2008-02-07 15:00 < gwern> IEM, sry
2008-02-07 15:01 < NotACow> gwern: you can assume that the total contracts outstanding is less than the total volume traded
2008-02-07 15:03 < NotACow> gwern: so, say, 2008.GOP.NOM.PAUL, which has a total lifetime volume of 113979, represents about $80,000 at the highest price it ever reached.
2008-02-07 15:03 < NotACow> gwern: realistically you could tweak that around a lot by spending even relatively small amount sof money to "push" the market.
2008-02-07 15:04 < NotACow> gwern: if i threw $20,000 at it, i bet i could drive paul up to 20
2008-02-07 15:05 < NotACow> gwern: there's 6644 outstnading asks that would all match if i offered at 5
2008-02-07 15:05 < NotACow> gwern: that's only $3322.
2008-02-07 15:05 < NotACow> gwern: $3322 buys what, two seconds of radio time?
2008-02-07 15:06 < NotACow> you can't even burp on the radio for that much
2008-02-07 15:32 * Fabexplosive goodnight
2008-02-07 15:34 < Mike_H> Any Latinos around?
2008-02-07 15:34 < Huntster> my roommate, but he hates wiki. how's it going Mike?
2008-02-07 15:35 < Mike_H> I'm okay
2008-02-07 15:35 < Mike_H> we're working on a new interview for Wikinews
2008-02-07 15:35 < Mike_H> and I needed to talk to some Latinos
2008-02-07 15:35 < Huntster> hmm.
2008-02-07 15:52 < The359> Ellen DeGeneres doesn't know if Mount Rushmore is in North or South Dakota...
2008-02-07 15:52 < The359> Another setback for America
2008-02-07 15:55 < JohnReaves> That's a pretty reasonable thing to not know as far as American geography knowledge goes...
2008-02-07 15:56 < Kj> hello, i would like to know how i can download a page /Special:Random with curl
2008-02-07 16:00 < The359> http://www.internationaltrucks.com/LoneStar/images/poster-header.jpg There's something very wrong with this
2008-02-07 16:00 < The359> Why can't we get cool Euro trucks
2008-02-07 16:00 < Gracenotes> Kj: I'm not familiar with curl, but Special:Random redirects to a random page. Can curl handle HTTP redirects?
2008-02-07 16:01 < Huntster> The359, wrong with the image? regardless, yes, we need some more Euro trucks.
2008-02-07 16:01 < The359> wrong with the design
2008-02-07 16:01 < The359> Looks like a PT Cruiser was raped by a semi
2008-02-07 16:02 < Huntster> haha, wow, that's true.
2008-02-07 16:10 < Messedrocker> JohnReaves, except everyone knows it's in South Dakota
2008-02-07 16:14 * doomssassin_ knifes.
2008-02-07 16:15 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh Ashes to Ashes is on now.
2008-02-07 16:16 < doomssassin_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pod4jIKT_kA
2008-02-07 16:29 < brick_redux> what's the name of the set of language abbreviations WP uses? (en, pt, simple, zh-yue, etc.)
2008-02-07 16:30 * brick_redux finds ISO639
2008-02-07 16:38 < Kj> excellent! Gracenotes , -L flag works
2008-02-07 16:38 < Kj> thanks alot !
2008-02-07 16:40 < Gracenotes> Kj: np
2008-02-07 16:41 < remember> ok whatever... you were liars claiming #wikipedia-en-unblock was where to go to deal with problems
2008-02-07 16:41 < remember> instead I just got one of moreschi's racist friends who did worse to me
2008-02-07 16:41 < gwern> '♫♪♫ to my ears. I ♥ unicode! To ∞ and beyond, ☺'
2008-02-07 16:42 < eth01> :/
2008-02-07 16:42 < remember> but I suppose I should expect that of racists like I've met without exception here
2008-02-07 16:43 < kenlyric> I hear users without unicode support go straight to hell
2008-02-07 16:44 * gwern hears the users cannot read anything written in the runes of hell as it appears to be boxes to them
2008-02-07 16:44 * OverlordQ slaps gwern with a nice benzine ring ⌬
2008-02-07 16:44 < OverlordQ> *benzene
2008-02-07 16:44 < remember> so I'll ask one more time before my dad and ADL lawyers start working up the case: are there and NON-RACIST admins there or no?
2008-02-07 16:44 * gwern goes to sleep and dreams of ourboroses
2008-02-07 16:44 < remember> funny how they just shut down the channel
2008-02-07 16:45 < JohnReaves> Oh yay, baseless legal threats
2008-02-07 16:45 < OverlordQ> hurm? I see typing but all I can read is "whine whine bitch moan"
2008-02-07 16:45 < remember> yeah well you broke your own rules
2008-02-07 16:45 * gwern has no idea what remember is on about, but I find the legal threats amusing
2008-02-07 16:45 < remember> and you get two choices
2008-02-07 16:45 < remember> either fix your mistake, or be held responsible
2008-02-07 16:45 < OverlordQ> what's your WP user?
2008-02-07 16:45 < remember> look at the user talk page Riana abused today
2008-02-07 16:46 < remember> 1948remembered
2008-02-07 16:46 < JohnReaves> Riana? Yeah, she's quite the racist...
2008-02-07 16:46 < remember> My dad lived through the attempted genocide on us
2008-02-07 16:46 < remember> he'll be more than happy to be involved
2008-02-07 16:47 < Starnestommy> just because you hate a single person of a specific ethnicity doesn not mean you are racist
2008-02-07 16:48 < remember> best way to win on articles: be an admin and ban any jew from speaking out on the hatred that's been put on the pages
2008-02-07 16:48 < remember> so I'm learning
2008-02-07 16:48 < OverlordQ> well reading your contribs . .
2008-02-07 16:48 * OverlordQ adds remember to the killfile
2008-02-07 16:48 < remember> and if a jew should speak out against what happens? BAM. Institute an out-of-policy ban.
2008-02-07 16:48 < JohnReaves> yes, Wikipedia is game at which you can win
2008-02-07 16:48 < OverlordQ> it's not out of policy.
2008-02-07 16:48 < Aqwis2> remember, please explain the issue to those who weren't here last time
2008-02-07 16:49 < gwern> 'What language is that? I'm guessing Icelandic; it's a little too unicodey to be Danish or Norwegian, but the words look similar.' 'As an Icelander, I must surely ask what pushed you to use Icelandic as an example. :)'
2008-02-07 16:49 < remember> thus the fact that the pages are nothing more than hezbollah propaganda crap
2008-02-07 16:49 < OverlordQ> remember: your *fourth* edit you started calling somebody racist
2008-02-07 16:49 < OverlordQ> that's seriously getting off on the wrong foot
2008-02-07 16:49 < remember> And they have a page about "israeli apartheid" and proclaim being hezbollah members.
2008-02-07 16:49 < OverlordQ> and instead of trying to work it out, you get into an edit war
2008-02-07 16:50 < OverlordQ> not to mention horribly violating [[WP:3RR]]
2008-02-07 16:51 < OverlordQ> from your contribs, it appears to me, that you have no intention of following any of the policies, so yea, good luck with that lawsuit
2008-02-07 16:52 * OverlordQ stops feeding the troll
2008-02-07 16:52 < mavhc> and for the lulz, please sue in our favourite place
2008-02-07 16:52 < gwern> TRENTON NEW JERSEY
2008-02-07 16:52 < OverlordQ> what's the deal wif new jersey?
2008-02-07 16:52 < OverlordQ> does it have bees?
2008-02-07 16:52 < gwern> OverlordQ: if BJADON still existed, I could answer that question
2008-02-07 16:53 < gwern> OverlordQ: basically, an old WP injoke from '03
2008-02-07 16:53 < mavhc> so many bees
2008-02-07 16:53 < OverlordQ> ah
2008-02-07 16:53 < JohnReaves> I'm pretty sure it's a quote from some famous troll or something
2008-02-07 16:53 < gwern> OverlordQ: along the lines of Willy on Wheels, SOLLOG KNEW, Goatse, and so on
2008-02-07 16:53 < Demi> MrTreason
2008-02-07 16:53 < gwern> JohnReaves: I *think* it was Mr. Treason
2008-02-07 16:53 < JohnReaves> sounds right
2008-02-07 16:54 < gwern> for a moment I wanted to say it was the 'Wikipedia is Communism' vandal or Squidward, or Pelican Shit, but those guys were later
2008-02-07 16:54 < OverlordQ> BJADON = Bad Jokes and . . ?
2008-02-07 16:54 < gwern> OverlordQ: other deleted nonsense
2008-02-07 16:54 < OverlordQ> aaaahhh
2008-02-07 16:54 < remember> whatever
2008-02-07 16:54 < remember> I get the picture
2008-02-07 16:54 < gwern> (bad jokes, lord how we loved'em \ bad jokes, can't get enuff of them)
2008-02-07 16:54 < OverlordQ> faint stirrings of reccollection
2008-02-07 16:55 < OverlordQ> any bets on how long it'll be till he pops in for a third time threatening lawsuits
2008-02-07 16:55 < gwern> heh. I wonder what grounds remember will sue on? this isn't a government site, we can discriminate as we like
2008-02-07 16:55 < mavhc> surely someone's archived it somewhere else
2008-02-07 16:55 < OverlordQ> being racist probably
2008-02-07 16:55 < OverlordQ> seems he's stuck on that
2008-02-07 16:55 < Demi> gwern - somehow i wouldn't be flabbergasted if he never actually sued
2008-02-07 16:55 < OverlordQ> violating his civil rights or some malarky
2008-02-07 16:55 < mavhc> it's illegal to be racist now?
2008-02-07 16:56 < mavhc> damn those old white guys who make laws
2008-02-07 16:56 < OverlordQ> damn them and their silly laws
2008-02-07 16:56 < JohnReaves> Mr. Treason ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.9.199.124
2008-02-07 16:57 < gwern> aw, [[Wikipedia talk:Long term abuse/Mr. Treason]] was deleted
2008-02-07 16:57 < gwern> and the main page too
2008-02-07 16:58 < Gracenotes> perhaps the Municipal Court of Trenton, N.J. was upset about the attention it was getting from Mr. Treason references
2008-02-07 16:59 < mavhc> the Municipal Court of Trenton, N.J. sued him
2008-02-07 17:00 < mavhc> wonder if anyone's been sued for "being a complete bastard", or "being a general arsehole"
2008-02-07 17:00 < Mike_H> # ?
2008-02-07 17:00 < Mike_H> # 14:51, September 16, 2004 (hist) (diff) User:Blankfaze? (No, you come-guzzler--*I* am reverting the vandalism! So take your 5 cent/hour booty back to whatever limey ghetto your fat ass crawled out of, and *STAY* there!)
2008-02-07 17:00 < Mike_H> That Mr. Treason was all class
2008-02-07 17:00 < Mike_H> 17:32, September 11, 2004 (hist) (diff) User:Mike Halterman? (I have a message for the fat fag--delete this again at your own peril!)\
2008-02-07 17:00 < Mike_H> Oh, that too, actually
2008-02-07 17:00 < Mike_H> <3
2008-02-07 17:00 < Mike_H> I love that, like "fat fag" is the best he could come up with?
2008-02-07 17:00 < Mike_H> Yes, I'm both
2008-02-07 17:00 < Mike_H> thx.
2008-02-07 17:01 < morwen> Ashes to Ashes was rubbish, gah.
2008-02-07 17:01 < gwern> 'come-guzzler'?
2008-02-07 17:02 < mavhc> you can't insult me, either you're right, in which case it's my problem, or you're wrong, in which case you're retarded
2008-02-07 17:03 < Demi> "limey"
2008-02-07 17:03 < Demi> what a timely insult
2008-02-07 17:03 < Mike_H> Demi: it is if you're in my family
2008-02-07 17:04 * White_Cat_Zzz inserts a peeper gas granade into gwern's mouth
2008-02-07 17:04 * White_Cat_Zzz pulls the pin
2008-02-07 17:05 * gwern bloats up like Violet in Willy Wonka
2008-02-07 17:07 < Ceiling_Cat> Woohooo!
2008-02-07 17:07 * Ceiling_Cat just stitched together the first iteration of his master's thesis
2008-02-07 17:08 < Demi> they still have you stitch those things? you'd think you could use a word processor or something.
2008-02-07 17:10 < White_Cat_Zzz> Ceiling_Cat so your thesis is on what?
2008-02-07 17:10 < White_Cat_Zzz> masturbation?
2008-02-07 17:11 < Leslie_S> heh, on the inside of the gas door on my car, it says "UNLEADED FUEL ONLY"
2008-02-07 17:11 < Leslie_S> in three different langauges
2008-02-07 17:11 < Leslie_S> wtf
2008-02-07 17:12 < JohnReaves> Do they even produce leaded gas anymore?
2008-02-07 17:13 < Leslie_S> JohnReaves yes, technically.
2008-02-07 17:13 < Leslie_S> JohnReaves its racing fuel and is usually not sold at gas stations, but theres a gas station near me that illegally sells it (i dont know how they get away with it)
2008-02-07 17:13 < Leslie_S> they sell torco 110 :o
2008-02-07 17:14 < Leslie_S> anyway, theres a law in the US saying that all cars with catalytic converters must have "UNLEADED FUEL ONLY" on the back of the gas door, and on the instrument cluster.
2008-02-07 17:14 < Ceiling_Cat> Demi - I copied the first two chapters from my phd thesis proposal to the last three sections of my Mstack paper
2008-02-07 17:14 < Leslie_S> but...three languages sounds kind of excessive. :o
2008-02-07 17:14 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - Mstack
2008-02-07 17:14 < Ceiling_Cat> Oh, and it's officially on teh ARL website!
2008-02-07 17:15 < Ceiling_Cat> <Demi> they still have you stitch those things? you'd think you could use a
2008-02-07 17:15 < Ceiling_Cat> word processor or something.
2008-02-07 17:15 < Ceiling_Cat> doh
2008-02-07 17:15 < White_Cat> Mstack?
2008-02-07 17:15 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.arl.army.mil/www/default.cfm?Action=17&Page=239&TRAction=GetAbstract&ReportID=1527&Topic=TechnicalReports&Year=2007&txttype=year&txt=none
2008-02-07 17:15 < Ceiling_Cat> read that
2008-02-07 17:15 < White_Cat> I'd expect a Ceiling_Cat to master the art of masturbation not anything else
2008-02-07 17:15 < Mike_H> :DD
2008-02-07 17:15 < Mike_H> we sent off an interview request to Cristina
2008-02-07 17:15 < Leslie_S> im guessing thats maybe because the car was assembled in sweden, and they assemble that part of the car identically for the US market and the euro market...
2008-02-07 17:15 < Mike_H> this is going to be fabuloso
2008-02-07 17:16 < Leslie_S> JohnReaves oh yeah, and my car was built in 1986, when catalytic converters were still relatively recent (but i dont think they still sold leaded gas at gas stations at the time?)
2008-02-07 17:23 < JohnReaves> Leslie_S :I don't think they've sold it since the '70s
2008-02-07 17:24 < Leslie_S> JohnReaves i just said theres a gas station near me that sells it though.
2008-02-07 17:24 < Leslie_S> torco 110 octane
2008-02-07 17:24 < Leslie_S> and anything over 100 octane is leaded :)
2008-02-07 17:24 < JohnReaves> Well, with the exception of that
2008-02-07 17:25 < Leslie_S> but...three different languages? heheh.
2008-02-07 17:25 < JohnReaves> Though I have seen racing fuel in rural areas
2008-02-07 17:25 < Leslie_S> thats the only place around here to buy it too, other than at race tracks.
2008-02-07 17:25 < The359> Cheaper to print in three languages for the North American market
2008-02-07 17:25 < The359> instead of three different stickers
2008-02-07 17:25 < Sfan00> Hi #Wikipedia
2008-02-07 17:26 < Sfan00> Wikinews is working on getting an interview with news legend Walter Cronkite
2008-02-07 17:26 < Leslie_S> we used to have an automotive high performance shop that sold methanol and racing gasoline.....they were goofy though, they insisted on very strictly applying the laws regarding sales of the fuel, and would not pump it into a car...even if the car was obviously not street legal and on a trailer...they had to pump it into gas cans.
2008-02-07 17:27 < Sfan00> Anyone with appropriate and reasonable questions is urged to leave apprporiate comments at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Wikinews_interviews_an_icon:_Walter_Cronkite_on_modern_media#Two_questions_to_consider_asking
2008-02-07 17:27 < The359> Same rules at the track, Leslie S
2008-02-07 17:27 < The359> No one can put racing fuel in a car without full helmet and fire suit
2008-02-07 17:27 < Leslie_S> The359 not near me. at the track, you just pull up to the pump and they pump it in your car.
2008-02-07 17:27 < The359> Even if the car is off and sitting at the track
2008-02-07 17:27 < Leslie_S> The359 no helmet or fire suit needed.
2008-02-07 17:28 < The359> Then it's not that high of a racing octane or methanol
2008-02-07 17:28 < Leslie_S> The359 infact, IHRA rules dont even require a fire suit for slow cars. my dad's car required a fire jacket.
2008-02-07 17:28 < The359> or they're stupid
2008-02-07 17:28 < Leslie_S> its 110/112 octane and methanol.
2008-02-07 17:28 < Leslie_S> of course, all race cars have plastic tanks
2008-02-07 17:28 < Leslie_S> maybe theyre worried about the static hazards? :o
2008-02-07 17:28 < The359> No
2008-02-07 17:28 < The359> Methanol flames are clear
2008-02-07 17:28 < The359> They are not visible to the naked eye
2008-02-07 17:29 < Leslie_S> The359 you know what, what you just said sounds a lot like NASCAR rules. and i'm not talking about NASCAR here.
2008-02-07 17:29 < The359> I'm not either
2008-02-07 17:29 < Leslie_S> nascar fuel guys always have helmets and fire suits on, heh. looks silly to me.
2008-02-07 17:29 < Leslie_S> The359 seems silly to require more protection for fueling the car than driving the car though. :o
2008-02-07 17:29 < OverlordQ> plastic tanks?
2008-02-07 17:29 < The359> Every professional motorsport uses helmets and fire suits
2008-02-07 17:29 < The359> How is that more protection?
2008-02-07 17:29 < Leslie_S> OverlordQ yes. race cars usually have plastic fuel tanks.
2008-02-07 17:29 < The359> That's less protection
2008-02-07 17:29 < The359> fuel cells, OverlordQ
2008-02-07 17:30 < Leslie_S> The359 because IHRA doesnt require fire suits for several types of cars.
2008-02-07 17:30 < Wikiacc> toolserver is up
2008-02-07 17:30 < Wikiacc> ?
2008-02-07 17:30 < Wikiacc> nice
2008-02-07 17:30 < The359> and are those cars running methanol or high octane fuel?
2008-02-07 17:30 < Leslie_S> high octane.
2008-02-07 17:30 < The359> If it's professional IHRA I doubt they let them do that
2008-02-07 17:30 < Wikiacc> hi Vanquisher
2008-02-07 17:30 < Vanquisher> yo
2008-02-07 17:30 < Leslie_S> The359 its obviously NOT PROFESSIONAL. but its the official IHRA rules.
2008-02-07 17:31 < Leslie_S> The359 it says right in the rule book. :)
2008-02-07 17:31 < The359> IHRA has professional series
2008-02-07 17:31 < Leslie_S> The359, yes, but the types of cars im talking about are never in a professional series.
2008-02-07 17:31 < Leslie_S> therefore, obviously not professional.
2008-02-07 17:31 < The359> ok, then I'm sure the fuel they are using is not the same grade as the professionals
2008-02-07 17:31 < Elassint> what the bacon is wrong with http://www.editthis.info/
2008-02-07 17:32 < Leslie_S> The359 depending on the class, they are. The *gasoline* is the same, however some classes run on nitromethane...
2008-02-07 17:32 < OverlordQ> yea, thought fuel cells were metal though, atleast the outer container
2008-02-07 17:32 < Leslie_S> OverlordQ the outer container is metal if its outside of the car
2008-02-07 17:32 < Leslie_S> :)
2008-02-07 17:32 < The359> Some can be, OverloardQ
2008-02-07 17:32 < The359> Typically on older race cars
2008-02-07 17:32 < Leslie_S> OverlordQ but generally theyre plastic for weight reasons
2008-02-07 17:32 < The359> The plastic is on the inside to help prevent leaks, OverlordQ
2008-02-07 17:33 < Leslie_S> The359 no, not for what im talking about, it is not.
2008-02-07 17:33 < The359> the metal outside is just so it has someplace to sit
2008-02-07 17:33 < Crazytales> What's the british security agency?
2008-02-07 17:33 < Ceiling_Cat> MI-5
2008-02-07 17:33 < Crazytales> Thanks
2008-02-07 17:33 < Leslie_S> The359 the ones im talking about, the whole tank is plastic. it has to have metal around it if its outside of the car though.
2008-02-07 17:33 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles Crazytales
2008-02-07 17:33 < Crazytales> lol why?
2008-02-07 17:33 < The359> A racing fuel cell is a fuel container that differs from an ordinary fuel tank in the following ways: It has a flexible inner liner to minimize the potential for punctures in the event of a collision or other mishap resulting in serious damage to the vehicle.
2008-02-07 17:33 * Ceiling_Cat likes to huggle almost as much as he like to watch
2008-02-07 17:34 < The359> It is insulated with a mesh-like structure inside the tank to minimize sloshing of fuel during competition that may otherwise cause inadequate fuel (fuel starvation) delivery to the motor under competition conditions.
2008-02-07 17:34 < Leslie_S> The359 you have no clue what you are talking about.
2008-02-07 17:34 < Leslie_S> I'm talking about a rigid plastic tank.
2008-02-07 17:34 < Leslie_S> yes, it has a flexible liner on the inside, but the tank si MADE OF PLASTIC>
2008-02-07 17:34 < The359> And surrounded by metal for support
2008-02-07 17:34 < Leslie_S> The359 the metal doesnt really support it though.
2008-02-07 17:35 < The359> or carbon fiber if you go really professional
2008-02-07 17:35 < Leslie_S> The359 on my dads car, he installed it with two metal straps, hanging under the car, at one point. tech inspectors bitched about it, but let him run for the day like that.
2008-02-07 17:35 < Leslie_S> The359 its thick plastic.
2008-02-07 17:35 < The359> I'm talking a professional racing car
2008-02-07 17:35 < Leslie_S> then he put really really thin sheet metal around it.
2008-02-07 17:35 < The359> not some garage built thing
2008-02-07 17:35 < Leslie_S> The359 its the exact same tank.
2008-02-07 17:35 < The359> Not really
2008-02-07 17:35 < Leslie_S> The359 yes, its the same tank.
2008-02-07 17:36 < Leslie_S> The359 there are many different styles, shapes, and sizes, but its the same tank.
2008-02-07 17:36 < Leslie_S> The359 and all race cars are built in garages.
2008-02-07 17:36 < The359> not really
2008-02-07 17:36 < Leslie_S> yes. really.
2008-02-07 17:36 < The359> ...
2008-02-07 17:36 < The359> ok, no, they're not
2008-02-07 17:39 < Leslie_S> i can put the tank my dad was using in a top fuel dragster, and it would be IHRA approved.
2008-02-07 17:39 < The359> Porsche 911 GT3 Cup, Cup S, and GT3-RSRs come off an assembly line from Stuttgart
2008-02-07 17:39 < The359> Not some garage
2008-02-07 17:39 < Leslie_S> .
2008-02-07 17:39 < Leslie_S> You just like arguing.
2008-02-07 17:39 < Leslie_S> I don't fucking care.
2008-02-07 17:39 < Leslie_S> But it was the same fucking fuel tank.
2008-02-07 17:39 < The359> If you don't care, why make an ignorant statement?
2008-02-07 17:39 < The359> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2316/2229123392_92ccd18008_b.jpg fuel tank
2008-02-07 17:39 < Leslie_S> The359 I was talking about drag race cars, I didn't think about porsches race cars. Not an ignorant statement, just not fucking thought ahead of.
2008-02-07 17:39 < The359> ATL fuel cell surrounded by metal
2008-02-07 17:39 < The359> You said all race cars, why the fuck would that only include drag racing?
2008-02-07 17:39 < Leslie_S> ................................................I FORGOT ABOUT A TYPE. IM SO FUCKING SORRY, DIPSHIT
2008-02-07 17:39 < Leslie_S> GO fuck yourself.
2008-02-07 17:39 < The359> That's nice
2008-02-07 17:39 < Mike_H> whoa
2008-02-07 17:39 < Mike_H> where did that come from
2008-02-07 17:39 * OverlordQ gives The359 a high-five
2008-02-07 17:39 < The359> The drugs
2008-02-07 17:39 < Leslie_S> what a fucking idiot.
2008-02-07 17:40 < Mike_H> The359: you're not allowed to talk to anyone this evening.
2008-02-07 17:40 < Mike_H> go sit in the corner.
2008-02-07 17:40 < Leslie_S> i never said all race cars use the same fuel tank, all i said was that professional ihra race cars use it.
2008-02-07 17:40 < Leslie_S> dipshit.
2008-02-07 17:40 < Mike_H> Leslie_S: time out for you too