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2008-02-07 06:13 < sannses_cat> TheWeasel: I don't like water that much :(
2008-02-07 06:14 < TheWeasel> I just need my cosmonaut suit
2008-02-07 06:14 < TheWeasel> hah, cat nature
2008-02-07 06:15 < sannses_cat> I want to go there but, I wouldn't know how :(
2008-02-07 06:15 < sannses_cat> and i wouldn't want to go where tourists go
2008-02-07 06:16 < TheWeasel> Believe me...
2008-02-07 06:16 < TheWeasel> you wouldn't
2008-02-07 06:16 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-07 06:16 < TheWeasel> I don't think it's Disneyland Ukraine
2008-02-07 06:17 < sannses_cat> hahahah
2008-02-07 06:17 < sannses_cat> ie i want to go places where few others go
2008-02-07 06:17 * sannses_cat would like a tour around the reactor
2008-02-07 06:17 < TheWeasel> My sister took a train to Homel when she went to the area, but you'd need to cross another border from there
2008-02-07 06:17 < TheWeasel> (it's the next big former-Soviet town, now in Belarus)
2008-02-07 06:26 * sannses_cat has an idea
2008-02-07 06:26 < sannses_cat> TheWeasel: you know how sydney had the 2000 olympics?
2008-02-07 06:27 < NotACow> DEATH TO DISNEY!
2008-02-07 06:27 < TheWeasel> By beating Berlin, among other cities.
2008-02-07 06:27 < sannses_cat> well, the olympic park was built on a toxic waste dump where DOW mad agent orange
2008-02-07 06:27 < TheWeasel> yea, I read about that
2008-02-07 06:27 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-07 06:28 < sannses_cat> why don't Ukraine try to do that and build on top of cherbobyl? xD
2008-02-07 06:28 < TheWeasel> Ukraine gets the European Football Championships anyway
2008-02-07 06:28 < TheWeasel> perfect place
2008-02-07 06:28 < sannses_cat> :p
2008-02-07 06:30 < zocky> radioactivity is so 1940s. even tv-activity is out of date now.
2008-02-07 06:31 < sannses_cat> Mike_H: lmfaO http://youtube.com/watch?v=Js0CZRkHvmA&feature=bz301
2008-02-07 06:32 < TheWeasel> Broadbandactivity!
2008-02-07 06:35 < Warpath> NotACow, Walt Disney died a long time ago O_O
2008-02-07 06:48 < NotACow> Warpath: now if the rest of his evil empire would die with him
2008-02-07 06:48 < Warpath> XD
2008-02-07 06:49 * Warpath huggles bugs bunny :DDD
2008-02-07 06:58 * eth01 waves
2008-02-07 06:59 < nigqers> lulz
2008-02-07 06:59 < eth01> nice irc nick.
2008-02-07 06:59 < eth01> slightly racial, but nevermind.
2008-02-07 06:59 < nigqers> ?
2008-02-07 07:00 < eth01> the good old question mark.
2008-02-07 07:00 < nigqers> nigqers is a word in my language meaning 'community'
2008-02-07 07:01 < arcimboldo_> Your language is?
2008-02-07 07:01 < nigqers> chinese
2008-02-07 07:01 < eth01> thanks for that, however, freenode is diverse and does not focus on your only country.
2008-02-07 07:01 < eth01> might be good to take that into consideration ;)
2008-02-07 07:01 < arcimboldo_> I didn't know that the Chinese have syllables like "qers"
2008-02-07 07:01 < nigqers> now u know
2008-02-07 07:01 < nigqers> add it to wiki
2008-02-07 07:02 * sannses_cat kufuddles
2008-02-07 07:02 < eth01> well quite, arrogance.
2008-02-07 07:02 < arcimboldo_> where are you from?
2008-02-07 07:02 < TheWeasel> It's Wade-Giles :-P
2008-02-07 07:02 < nigqers> australia
2008-02-07 07:02 < nigqers> new state of america
2008-02-07 07:02 < nigqers> :D
2008-02-07 07:02 * sannses_cat hugs nigqers
2008-02-07 07:02 < sannses_cat> which city?
2008-02-07 07:02 < nigqers> ({)
2008-02-07 07:02 < nigqers> perth
2008-02-07 07:02 * eth01 stabs eyeballs
2008-02-07 07:02 < TheWeasel> For when in doubt, assert that it is an alternative transcription
2008-02-07 07:02 < nigqers> isolated :(
2008-02-07 07:02 < sannses_cat> nigqers: I am in booragoon :p
2008-02-07 07:03 < nigqers> lulz
2008-02-07 07:03 < nigqers> where's that?
2008-02-07 07:03 < nigqers> east?
2008-02-07 07:03 < eth01> google?
2008-02-07 07:03 < sannses_cat> near garden city
2008-02-07 07:03 < nigqers> easier this way
2008-02-07 07:03 < nigqers> ah
2008-02-07 07:03 < nigqers> shopping center
2008-02-07 07:03 < nigqers> hehe
2008-02-07 07:03 < sannses_cat> :p
2008-02-07 07:03 < nigqers> wait garden city in perth rite?
2008-02-07 07:03 < sannses_cat> yep :p
2008-02-07 07:04 < nigqers> wtf with weather today lol
2008-02-07 07:04 < nigqers> hot hot hot hot hot .... hot . cold
2008-02-07 07:04 < nigqers> :S
2008-02-07 07:04 < sannses_cat> hahaa
2008-02-07 07:05 < sannses_cat> stupid rain :(
2008-02-07 07:05 * sannses_cat hates thunder
2008-02-07 07:05 < nigqers> !!!
2008-02-07 07:05 < nigqers> like my old cat
2008-02-07 07:05 < nigqers> but he die :(
2008-02-07 07:05 < sannses_cat> :'(
2008-02-07 07:05 < nigqers> hrm
2008-02-07 07:05 < nigqers> i signed up for the trial of britanica
2008-02-07 07:06 < nigqers> it wasn't for me :S
2008-02-07 07:06 < sannses_cat> nigqers: encarta is the best encyclopedia
2008-02-07 07:06 < nigqers> encarta 97
2008-02-07 07:06 < nigqers> look up 'rap'
2008-02-07 07:06 < nigqers> run dmc
2008-02-07 07:06 < sannses_cat> :s
2008-02-07 07:07 < sannses_cat> why?
2008-02-07 07:07 < nigqers> plays a rap song lol
2008-02-07 07:07 < sannses_cat> haahah
2008-02-07 07:07 < nigqers> was amazing back in 97
2008-02-07 07:07 * sannses_cat has an old 97 cd somewhere
2008-02-07 07:07 < nigqers> on a 486
2008-02-07 07:07 < nigqers> lolz sam
2008-02-07 07:07 < nigqers> i chucked it out like yesterday
2008-02-07 07:07 < TheWeasel> Encarta is hilarious, they fired an editor for ranting on the evilness of zionism a couple years ago
2008-02-07 07:07 * sannses_cat has 2007 :)
2008-02-07 07:07 < TheWeasel> I loved Enc 98
2008-02-07 07:07 < nigqers> :D
2008-02-07 07:07 < Suva> Was CD even invented on 97?
2008-02-07 07:07 < sannses_cat> hahaaha
2008-02-07 07:07 < nigqers> yer lol
2008-02-07 07:07 < TheWeasel> sure
2008-02-07 07:08 < Suva> Were computers even invented then
2008-02-07 07:08 < Suva> Or cars
2008-02-07 07:08 < nigqers> hehe
2008-02-07 07:08 < Suva> Or whatever.
2008-02-07 07:08 < Suva> It was a stone age, wasn't it?
2008-02-07 07:08 < nigqers> yerps
2008-02-07 07:08 < nigqers> i had a stone computer
2008-02-07 07:08 < TheWeasel> they invented the GPS navigation for carriages back then
2008-02-07 07:08 < nigqers> fo so?
2008-02-07 07:09 < nigqers> i like looking @ the timelines
2008-02-07 07:09 < nigqers> shit didn't happen too long ago
2008-02-07 07:09 < arcimboldo_> I didn't have an email address in '97.
2008-02-07 07:09 < nigqers> did u have internets?
2008-02-07 07:10 < arcimboldo_> (except for some company-internal five-letter code).
2008-02-07 07:10 < nigqers> did u use gopher
2008-02-07 07:11 < arcimboldo_> I don't remember what we actually used ... but it was more like a line based messaging system I believe.
2008-02-07 07:11 < arcimboldo_> At that time the company I worked for had not implemented internet due to security fears.
2008-02-07 07:11 < nigqers> i could imagine
2008-02-07 07:11 < eth01> hmmm.
2008-02-07 07:12 < eth01> it's 'you' not "u"
2008-02-07 07:12 < nigqers> dun be a gramar nazi
2008-02-07 07:12 < nigqers> u knew wat i meant rite
2008-02-07 07:12 < nigqers> :D
2008-02-07 07:12 < eth01> people like you irritate me.
2008-02-07 07:12 < nigqers> likewise
2008-02-07 07:12 < nigqers> we are different ppl eth01
2008-02-07 07:12 < eth01> don't worry
2008-02-07 07:13 < eth01> i've seen/worked with people like you before... it's got to the stage now where it just blows over
2008-02-07 07:13 < nigqers> just ignore
2008-02-07 07:13 < nigqers> it's a just a job
2008-02-07 07:13 < nigqers> :)
2008-02-07 07:13 < eth01> especially the idiotic insults, which believe me, i've heard all before and learnt not to be offended by.
2008-02-07 07:13 < nigqers> i don't mean to insult u
2008-02-07 07:14 < nigqers> but i was being a bit of a jerk
2008-02-07 07:14 < nigqers> so sorry for that
2008-02-07 07:15 < arcimboldo_> still better than leeties
2008-02-07 07:15 < nigqers> leeties?
2008-02-07 07:15 < arcimboldo_> 1337i35
2008-02-07 07:16 < nigqers> is that specific person
2008-02-07 07:16 < nigqers> or
2008-02-07 07:16 < nigqers> just err
2008-02-07 07:16 < nigqers> 1337 hax0rs
2008-02-07 07:16 < eth01> hmm
2008-02-07 07:16 < eth01> http
2008-02-07 07:16 < eth01> err
2008-02-07 07:16 < eth01> stupid keyboard.
2008-02-07 07:16 < nigqers> http?
2008-02-07 07:17 < eth01> http://unspecific.net :p (great domain - unspecific! -.-)
2008-02-07 07:17 < nigqers> lulz
2008-02-07 07:18 < nigqers> sometimes wiki has like too many articles on essentially the same thing
2008-02-07 07:19 * eth01 grumbles
2008-02-07 07:30 * sannses_cat plots with TheWeasel to sell Wikipedia to Dow chemicals
2008-02-07 07:30 * TheWeasel sells Wikipedia to Société Générale
2008-02-07 07:31 < Comets> \o/
2008-02-07 07:32 < Comets> sell it 2google insted ^_^
2008-02-07 07:32 < arcimboldo_> Does Yahoo still own our servers?
2008-02-07 07:32 < TheWeasel> Are you still beating your wife?
2008-02-07 07:33 < TheWeasel> yay, neighbor dispute over noisy frogs
2008-02-07 07:35 < eth01> hmm
2008-02-07 07:35 < TheWeasel> 45 dB at night!
2008-02-07 07:35 < eth01> quite loud..
2008-02-07 07:35 < TheWeasel> Yea, someone demands the removal of frogs from his 'hood
2008-02-07 07:37 < Ausir> I, for one, welcome our new Google overlords
2008-02-07 07:38 < TheWeasel> Right, so the frogs are going
2008-02-07 07:38 < TheWeasel> Frogs 0 Sleep 1
2008-02-07 08:09 < Ausir> is it me, or is Obama like Adama and Clinton like Cain?
2008-02-07 08:12 < bumm13> you mean Adam?
2008-02-07 08:14 < Ausir> bumm13: no, Adama it's a Battlestar Galactica reference :)
2008-02-07 08:14 < bumm13> hmm, ok
2008-02-07 08:59 < TheWeasel> You mean primaries are just gigantically expensive cosplays?
2008-02-07 08:59 < ancjr> if only
2008-02-07 09:00 * TheWeasel curses the law of subsidies
2008-02-07 09:00 < TheWeasel> it's excruciatingly boring but enormously important
2008-02-07 09:01 < TheWeasel> and insanely difficult.
2008-02-07 09:02 < Magnifier> Hello
2008-02-07 09:02 < TheWeasel> 'lo.
2008-02-07 09:02 * brown_cat shows TheWeasel a brain
2008-02-07 09:02 < brown_cat> this is the brain of a smoker
2008-02-07 09:02 < brown_cat> guess what?
2008-02-07 09:02 < brown_cat> HE'S DEAD
2008-02-07 09:02 < brown_cat> Scientific research has proven that all smokers who have had their brains removed are now dead
2008-02-07 09:03 < TheWeasel> Smoking kills fer sure.
2008-02-07 09:03 * TheWeasel waits for a move
2008-02-07 09:03 < brown_cat> TheWeasel: I have found evidence that connects osama to hussein
2008-02-07 09:03 < Magnifier> But human still smoke
2008-02-07 09:03 < placebo_effect> really?
2008-02-07 09:03 < brown_cat> well, not me, cnnnn but, we're all on the same team
2008-02-07 09:03 < brown_cat> yep
2008-02-07 09:03 < placebo_effect> whats cnnnn?
2008-02-07 09:03 < brown_cat> both have the same number of letters in their name
2008-02-07 09:04 * TheWeasel politely points out that Hussein has seven letters while Osama has six
2008-02-07 09:04 < TheWeasel> Plus, it depends on transcription
2008-02-07 09:04 < brown_cat> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
2008-02-07 09:04 < brown_cat> o s a m a b i n l a d e n
2008-02-07 09:05 < TheWeasel> oh, right
2008-02-07 09:05 < brown_cat> :p
2008-02-07 09:05 < TheWeasel> Osama bin Muhammad bin 'Awad bin Laden vs. Saddam Hussein ʿAbd al-Majid al-Tikriti
2008-02-07 09:06 < TheWeasel> bin Laden in Germany means "(I) am (at the) shop"
2008-02-07 09:06 < bogdan> from the petition: "Photography and painting of living beings is not permitted in ISLAM. this is the lesson taught to us by our Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) who brought this religion of peace to us. Hence these images to should be removed at once."
2008-02-07 09:06 < NotACow> TheWeasel: osama has six letters?
2008-02-07 09:06 < bogdan> I demand that Wikipedia removes all photos of cats!
2008-02-07 09:06 < NotACow> TheWeasel: is this new math counting?
2008-02-07 09:06 < TheWeasel> Oh right.
2008-02-07 09:07 < TheWeasel> I was thinking base pi.
2008-02-07 09:07 < bogdan> they are living beings and Islam does not allow depictions of them.
2008-02-07 09:07 < TheWeasel> :-P
2008-02-07 09:07 < brown_cat> TheWeasel: this is it http://youtube.com/watch?v=fvOrPd_fqCA xD the best
2008-02-07 09:07 < NotACow> bogdan: so kill them first, then take pictures of them
2008-02-07 09:07 < bogdan> NotACow: haha :/
2008-02-07 09:07 < TheWeasel> Wait, Muhammad is a living being?
2008-02-07 09:08 < bogdan> TheWeasel: he is living In The Sky™
2008-02-07 09:08 < TheWeasel> Oh, I love that Peter Green song!
2008-02-07 09:09 < TheWeasel> Wait, Islam doesn't allow any images of living beings?
2008-02-07 09:09 < TheWeasel> If not, how is that assertion relevant at all?
2008-02-07 09:09 < arcimboldo_> It does allow TV pictures.
2008-02-07 09:09 < NotACow> TheWeasel: islam doesn't allow images of basically anything
2008-02-07 09:09 < bogdan> TheWeasel: so said the prophet.
2008-02-07 09:09 < NotACow> arcimboldo_: that's not agreed upon
2008-02-07 09:09 < bogdan> (peace be upon him)
2008-02-07 09:09 < arcimboldo_> But even Saudi-Arabia televises live from the Kaaba.
2008-02-07 09:09 < NotACow> TheWeasel: have you ever looked at islamic art? it's mostly abstract, geometric patterns
2008-02-07 09:09 < TheWeasel> yea, I know.
2008-02-07 09:10 < bogdan> NotACow: btw, everywhere in Arabic Wikipedia where they mention Muhammad (peace be upon him), they say (peace be upon him) after his name.
2008-02-07 09:10 < NotACow> TheWeasel: some of it quite beautiful, but still.
2008-02-07 09:10 < TheWeasel> sometimes PBUH
2008-02-07 09:10 < TheWeasel> which is almost as bad as RIP
2008-02-07 09:10 < NotACow> bogdan: they've tried to put that into english, too.
2008-02-07 09:10 < arcimboldo_> Maybe the Taleban were against TV.
2008-02-07 09:10 < NotACow> arcimboldo_: they were.
2008-02-07 09:10 < bogdan> NotACow: that would be *very* POV.
2008-02-07 09:10 < TheWeasel> I hate it when people giving really heartfelt written eulogies, then go R.I.P.
2008-02-07 09:10 < NotACow> arcimboldo_: why do you think they blew up the statues of buddha?
2008-02-07 09:11 < NotACow> bogdan: they don't see it that way.
2008-02-07 09:11 < TheWeasel> He was from the other business.
2008-02-07 09:11 < arcimboldo_> Well, static pictures seem to be much more forbidden in Islam than TV.
2008-02-07 09:11 < bogdan> NotACow: of course, they don't understand the concept ;-(
2008-02-07 09:11 < NotACow> bogdan: my experience is that most of the other language editions are very bad on neutrality.
2008-02-07 09:12 < bogdan> NotACow: German language is surprisingly neutral.
2008-02-07 09:12 < TheWeasel> de. does have a tilt toward inclusion, really.
2008-02-07 09:12 < TheWeasel> i.e. pro-tolerance
2008-02-07 09:12 < NotACow> bogdan: on the serbian wiki, admins decide content disputes, banning editors who disagree with the decision. typically the decision favors a pro-nationalistic serb position.
2008-02-07 09:12 < NotACow> bogdan: yes, dewiki is perhaps the most neutral of the wikipedias.
2008-02-07 09:12 < bogdan> NotACow: I know, I temp-banned a few times on ro.wiki. :P
2008-02-07 09:13 < bogdan> NotACow: but eventually, common-sense prevailed
2008-02-07 09:13 < TheWeasel> There are fawning articles on de., but it's mostly free of crusaders
2008-02-07 09:13 < NotACow> bogdan: back when i was an enwiki admin, i had an srwiki admin demand that i ban an enwiki editor for making edits to an enwiki article about a serbian topic in a manner that the srwiki admin clique had decided was "unacceptable"
2008-02-07 09:13 < NotACow> bogdan: i told the srwiki admin to pound sand, and he went to angela to try to get me desysoped.
2008-02-07 09:14 < bogdan> haha, NotACow.
2008-02-07 09:14 < NotACow> angela also told him to pound sand. :)
2008-02-07 09:14 < bogdan> NotACow: good :-)
2008-02-07 09:14 < TheWeasel> a domestic problem with de. is that it tries to be fairly neutral on Nazis
2008-02-07 09:15 < TheWeasel> which nobody in Germany is used to and many are uncomfortable with
2008-02-07 09:15 < NotACow> TheWeasel: heh, i bet.
2008-02-07 09:15 < bogdan> TheWeasel: of course. :-)
2008-02-07 09:15 < TheWeasel> We've had politicians ask us to be part of the fight.
2008-02-07 09:15 < NotACow> TheWeasel: not to mention a majority of the editors are subject to german law regarding nazis
2008-02-07 09:15 < bogdan> TheWeasel: btw, how can I talk with a German and avoid talking about the war? :P
2008-02-07 09:15 < NotACow> bogdan: there was a war?
2008-02-07 09:15 < TheWeasel> people said we were doing that privately
2008-02-07 09:15 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-07 09:16 < bogdan> NotACow: Don't Mention the War! http://www.fawltysite.net/episode06.htm
2008-02-07 09:16 < NotACow> my experience poking around other language versions is that most of them tend to have strong nationalist bents
2008-02-07 09:16 < TheWeasel> Well yes. But neutrality is not a crime in most ways
2008-02-07 09:16 < TheWeasel> especially not when you source stuff.
2008-02-07 09:16 < NotACow> at least the languages that are well-aligned with a national identity
2008-02-07 09:16 < TheWeasel> and not voice a personal opinion
2008-02-07 09:16 * thedj bored.
2008-02-07 09:16 < Snowolf> thedj: write an article ;-)
2008-02-07 09:16 < NotACow> TheWeasel: the most serious critique i've heard of dewiki on neutrality is that their coverage of scientology is unfair.
2008-02-07 09:17 < bogdan> NotACow: Turkish wikipedia is probably one of the most POV.
2008-02-07 09:17 < TheWeasel> a problem is that de.wiki has very rudimentary sourcing practices, stemming from the broad consensus and lack of mistrust.
2008-02-07 09:17 < thedj> Snowolf: I need to work :( it's just that i can't seem to concentrate today.
2008-02-07 09:17 < NotACow> bogdan: i think it's a hard call to decide which of the eastern european language wikis is "most biased"
2008-02-07 09:17 * brown_cat goes to bed
2008-02-07 09:17 < TheWeasel> My money is on Turkish or Serbian.
2008-02-07 09:17 < NotACow> bogdan: although i'm sure white_cat has done everything in his power to make trwiki as biased as possible :)
2008-02-07 09:17 < bogdan> NotACow: hehe.
2008-02-07 09:17 < NotACow> TheWeasel: serbian is definitely up there.
2008-02-07 09:18 < IronManMario> hi
2008-02-07 09:18 < NotACow> TheWeasel: rowiki is also bad
2008-02-07 09:18 < TheWeasel> those are fairly safe bets
2008-02-07 09:18 < TheWeasel> maybe Polish
2008-02-07 09:18 < TheWeasel> (in parts)
2008-02-07 09:18 < bogdan> NotACow: btw, there's no article on Armenian genocide.
2008-02-07 09:18 < IronManMario> whenever I open a sound clip on wikipedia, it messes up firefox
2008-02-07 09:18 < bogdan> NotACow: just "accusations of an Armenian genocide"
2008-02-07 09:18 < NotACow> TheWeasel: plwiki isn't that bad, if you set aside the ongoing struggle over the naming of certain towns and rivers :)
2008-02-07 09:18 < TheWeasel> when I see how Polish society deals with the Katyn massacre revelations.
2008-02-07 09:18 < NotACow> bogdan: hehe, that surprises me not the least.
2008-02-07 09:18 < IronManMario> Everything I type goes in backwards and I have to end iti n taskman
2008-02-07 09:19 < bogdan> NotACow: I think ro.wiki is just nationalist, not extremist.
2008-02-07 09:19 < TheWeasel> i.e. "Germans are incapable of NOT committing crimes"
2008-02-07 09:19 * arcimboldo_ notices that the colourful image of the kind in a military uniform has disappeared from the main page of the Tongan Wikipedia.#
2008-02-07 09:19 < NotACow> frwiki has serious political biases, but it's not so much pro-french as exceedingly pro-communist.
2008-02-07 09:19 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-02-07 09:19 < bogdan> NotACow: most extremists were banned or left.
2008-02-07 09:19 < NotACow> itwiki reportly has the same problem
2008-02-07 09:19 < TheWeasel> I was involved in a war over Eastern German settlers when I came here
2008-02-07 09:19 < TheWeasel> there was this nationalist guy, I don't remember his handle
2008-02-07 09:19 < TheWeasel> he said I was a traitor
2008-02-07 09:20 < NotACow> TheWeasel: hah
2008-02-07 09:20 < bumm13> lol
2008-02-07 09:20 < NotACow> i don't have a feel for eswiki
2008-02-07 09:20 < NotACow> we rarely see people from eswiki here, though
2008-02-07 09:20 < NotACow> mostly my contacts with them have been over commons
2008-02-07 09:20 < TheWeasel> It was about whether the expulsion of Germans from Poland was equivalent with SS crimes there
2008-02-07 09:20 < TheWeasel> (he said: almost)
2008-02-07 09:20 < NotACow> when eswiki turned off image uploads, the eswiki people started pouring crap into commons
2008-02-07 09:21 < TheWeasel> which is patent nonsense
2008-02-07 09:21 < NotACow> ptwiki has a longrunning dispute over brazil v. portugal
2008-02-07 09:21 < TheWeasel> hah yea
2008-02-07 09:21 < bumm13> fun
2008-02-07 09:21 < TheWeasel> I remember that being fought on here
2008-02-07 09:21 < NotACow> mainly because pt_br and pt_pt are rather divergent dialects
2008-02-07 09:21 < NotACow> and pt_br speakers outnumber pt_pt speakers about 15:1
2008-02-07 09:21 < bogdan> NotACow: it was moved. it's now "1915-1918 Osmanlı'da Ermeni olayları" = "Data on 1915-1918 Ottoman Armenians"
2008-02-07 09:21 * TheWeasel loves the Swiss spelling on de.
2008-02-07 09:22 < arcimboldo_> Yeah, the sensitivity for copyright matter did not seem to be very developed, in particular for Latin America related matters.
2008-02-07 09:22 < bogdan> olaylar = data. pleadings. (cf. tr-en dictionary)
2008-02-07 09:22 < NotACow> *but* pt_pt editors are about on par with pt_br editors, thanks to higher internet permeation in portugal
2008-02-07 09:22 < TheWeasel> like their tendency to cut off every third digit with an '
2008-02-07 09:22 < NotACow> arcimboldo_: not to mention that several latin american countries have absurdly long copyright terms
2008-02-07 09:22 < TheWeasel> "population of 7'290"
2008-02-07 09:22 < NotACow> arcimboldo_: colombia has a 120 year pma term
2008-02-07 09:22 < TheWeasel> hah
2008-02-07 09:23 < arcimboldo_> But some others had very short ones.
2008-02-07 09:23 < arcimboldo_> Like Argentina, 25 years after publication or so.
2008-02-07 09:23 < TheWeasel> Apart from that, South America tends to have excellent judicial systems and cultures
2008-02-07 09:23 < NotACow> TheWeasel: it's the german influence :)
2008-02-07 09:23 < TheWeasel> haha *biased
2008-02-07 09:23 < TheWeasel> German influence is strongest in Japan.
2008-02-07 09:23 < TheWeasel> (by far)
2008-02-07 09:24 < arcimboldo_> Yeah, all the Nazi judges went to South America ...
2008-02-07 09:24 < NotACow> TheWeasel: argentina has a strong german influence; chile less so.
2008-02-07 09:24 < TheWeasel> and the lawyers to Israel.
2008-02-07 09:24 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-07 09:24 < IronManMario> lol nazis
2008-02-07 09:24 < TheWeasel> Uruguay
2008-02-07 09:24 < NotACow> heh, really
2008-02-07 09:24 < TheWeasel> Parts of Brazil
2008-02-07 09:24 < NotACow> i forget about uruguay.
2008-02-07 09:24 < arcimboldo_> Argentina, Chile
2008-02-07 09:24 < TheWeasel> (Stefan Zweig lived in Brazil)
2008-02-07 09:25 < NotACow> a friend of ours is married to a brazilian, but looking at him i'd be more likely to tag him as german :)
2008-02-07 09:25 < arcimboldo_> Yeah, in some cases the Jews and Nazis became new neighbours ...
2008-02-07 09:25 < TheWeasel> Uruguay is quasi-Argentina :-P
2008-02-07 09:25 < TheWeasel> And... Eichmann came to see both countries.
2008-02-07 09:25 < TheWeasel> Argentina AND Israel
2008-02-07 09:25 < arcimboldo_> Only one by choice
2008-02-07 09:26 < NotACow> it's interesting to look at the editing patterns on the smaller languages
2008-02-07 09:26 < NotACow> for most "small" languages the majority of edits come from the US and the Netherlands
2008-02-07 09:27 < bumm13> heck, most people in India edit en:
2008-02-07 09:27 < NotACow> most of the midsized languages (with the exceptions of spanish and farsi) the project is basically a national project
2008-02-07 09:27 < TheWeasel> Latin from Europe, probably
2008-02-07 09:27 < NotACow> bumm13: more people from the US edit Indian languages than people from India.
2008-02-07 09:27 < TheWeasel> the extinct languages don't have much of a lobby in America
2008-02-07 09:28 < bumm13> NotACow: yeah
2008-02-07 09:28 < arcimboldo_> Some of them have only bot edits and some entries of Polish villages.
2008-02-07 09:28 < NotACow> TheWeasel: we didn't do stats on latin
2008-02-07 09:28 < TheWeasel> k
2008-02-07 09:28 < TheWeasel> French WP is horrible.
2008-02-07 09:28 < IronManMario> chinese newyear today lol
2008-02-07 09:28 < NotACow> TheWeasel: i'm not even sure what the code for latin is
2008-02-07 09:28 < arcimboldo_> The one in Papiamentu for example.
2008-02-07 09:28 < NotACow> TheWeasel: actually i think i do have them somewhere
2008-02-07 09:28 < NotACow> what's the code for latin?
2008-02-07 09:28 < TheWeasel> I went there once, the grammar they use is unimpressive
2008-02-07 09:28 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-07 09:28 < TheWeasel> la?
2008-02-07 09:29 < TheWeasel> yea, la
2008-02-07 09:29 < Magnifier> Latin
2008-02-07 09:29 < Magnifier> too hard to learn
2008-02-07 09:29 < bumm13> la = Valley Girl lingo Wikipedia
2008-02-07 09:29 < TheWeasel> If you think Latin is hard, I wouldn't suggest trying most others.
2008-02-07 09:29 < TheWeasel> a) many relevant ones are based on Latin
2008-02-07 09:29 < arcimboldo_> Vicipaedia adhuc habet 18 314 commentationes.
2008-02-07 09:30 < Magnifier> but It's amazinh
2008-02-07 09:30 < NotACow> oh, right
2008-02-07 09:30 < TheWeasel> and b) they tend to be far worse in many ways
2008-02-07 09:30 < NotACow> this data is views, not edits
2008-02-07 09:30 < NotACow> i don't have latin
2008-02-07 09:30 < TheWeasel> German is probably far more difficult than Latin
2008-02-07 09:30 < NotACow> i can tell you who LOOKS at latin, but not who EDITS it
2008-02-07 09:30 < Magnifier> especially when you learn about Roman History
2008-02-07 09:30 < TheWeasel> Videamus igitur.
2008-02-07 09:30 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-07 09:31 < NotACow> jimmy's constant push on african and indian languages annoys me
2008-02-07 09:31 < IronManMario> Romans weren't nice
2008-02-07 09:31 < Magnifier> Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
2008-02-07 09:31 < bogdan> NotACow: me too. :/
2008-02-07 09:31 < TheWeasel> Quidquid agis, prudenter agas, et respice finem.
2008-02-07 09:31 < bumm13> most of Africa has no Internet access
2008-02-07 09:31 < arcimboldo_> Well, it helps promote those "Wikipedia changes the world" slogans.
2008-02-07 09:32 < TheWeasel> NotACow: What sort of push?
2008-02-07 09:32 < Magnifier> I love Romans' culture, not Romans :D
2008-02-07 09:32 < TheWeasel> Oh those things, I think they're a huge distraction
2008-02-07 09:32 < bumm13> and the areas that do largely use English and Arabic
2008-02-07 09:32 < TheWeasel> and cost loads of money
2008-02-07 09:32 < bumm13> (and I suppose Afrikaans)
2008-02-07 09:32 < bogdan> bumm13: and French
2008-02-07 09:32 < bumm13> yeah, as a lingua franca
2008-02-07 09:32 < bumm13> :)
2008-02-07 09:32 < TheWeasel> Let them improve fr.wiki, they need it.
2008-02-07 09:33 < TheWeasel> they, the French wikipedians
2008-02-07 09:33 < bogdan> seriously, most African languages are very small.
2008-02-07 09:33 < IronManMario> I hate how they make drugs sound so much worse then they really are in schools
2008-02-07 09:33 < bogdan> just a some thousands speakers.
2008-02-07 09:33 < IronManMario> 'smoke marrijuana and you penis falls off!'
2008-02-07 09:33 < IronManMario> * your
2008-02-07 09:33 < IronManMario> wtf?
2008-02-07 09:33 < TheWeasel> Is that a direct quote?
2008-02-07 09:33 < IronManMario> yes
2008-02-07 09:33 < TheWeasel> Oh.
2008-02-07 09:34 < IronManMario> i think it is
2008-02-07 09:34 < IronManMario> oh wait that was family guy..
2008-02-07 09:34 < arcimboldo_> http://pdc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haaptblatt is cool though ...
2008-02-07 09:34 < TheWeasel> I love that one to death
2008-02-07 09:34 < TheWeasel> the Wikipedelchen
2008-02-07 09:34 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-07 09:34 < arcimboldo_> "Wikipedia iss en Uffguckbichli"
2008-02-07 09:34 < IronManMario> but schools really do make drugs sound worse then they really are
2008-02-07 09:34 < TheWeasel> "Nachschlagewerk" :-D
2008-02-07 09:34 < NotACow> TheWeasel: jimmy cocnstantly goes on about how the wikipedias in indian and african native languages are so important and how wikipedia is helping people in those places.
2008-02-07 09:35 < Magnifier> Latin and now Germans :)
2008-02-07 09:35 < IronManMario> they tried telling us marrijuana will give you cancer and is worse then ciggaretts
2008-02-07 09:35 < TheWeasel> IronManMario: You can't really say "drugs aren't bad", it depends on how often you do them.
2008-02-07 09:35 < NotACow> TheWeasel: but nobody IN those places actually uses them... the indians all read the english wikipedia, and practically nobody in africa has internet access.
2008-02-07 09:35 < IronManMario> they tryed saying after taking any of them once your addicted for life
2008-02-07 09:35 < TheWeasel> Which is why the India-related articles on en. are almost invariably pitiful?
2008-02-07 09:36 < NotACow> TheWeasel: virtually all of the activity, both views and edits, on indian and african languages originates from the US or Europe.
2008-02-07 09:36 < TheWeasel> Marihuana can be worse than cigarettes in many ways, but you don't smoke em like you would cigarettes
2008-02-07 09:36 < bogdan> TheWeasel: some India-related articles are good.
2008-02-07 09:36 < NotACow> TheWeasel: because indians don't understand basic rudiments of english grammar.
2008-02-07 09:36 < TheWeasel> There's a surprising amount of bad content related to English
2008-02-07 09:36 < TheWeasel> Heh, sweeping generalisation
2008-02-07 09:36 < TheWeasel> *related to India
2008-02-07 09:36 < bogdan> TheWeasel: but yeah, most are bad.
2008-02-07 09:37 < NotACow> TheWeasel: the indian dialect of english is substantially different from either British or American dialects.
2008-02-07 09:37 < TheWeasel> It's not dialect
2008-02-07 09:37 < bogdan> TheWeasel: in order to make a good article, you need some education, etc.
2008-02-07 09:37 < NotACow> TheWeasel: yes, it is.
2008-02-07 09:37 < TheWeasel> it's also design, linking, everything
2008-02-07 09:37 < bogdan> TheWeasel: not just a computer.
2008-02-07 09:37 < NotACow> TheWeasel: there's also some cultural things, yes
2008-02-07 09:37 < TheWeasel> heh, I would say that I started with none when I began contributing here.
2008-02-07 09:38 < NotACow> TheWeasel: the thing i noticed when i was doing that sort of cleanup is that indian editors seem unable to grasp the concept of punctuation.
2008-02-07 09:38 < Magnifier> Where is "here"?
2008-02-07 09:38 < TheWeasel> on Wikipedia
2008-02-07 09:38 < TheWeasel> I dunno bout that
2008-02-07 09:38 < Magnifier> which Wikipedia ?
2008-02-07 09:38 < TheWeasel> I believe it's due to overconfidence
2008-02-07 09:38 < TheWeasel> en.
2008-02-07 09:38 < bumm13> NotACow: doctors and computer programmers don't need no stinkin' punctuation ;)
2008-02-07 09:38 < NotACow> it's also amusing to read about how each little town is between this stop and that stop on such and such a rail line.
2008-02-07 09:39 < TheWeasel> And they always link people's names with their initials
2008-02-07 09:39 < NotACow> TheWeasel: i hadn't noticed that.
2008-02-07 09:39 < bumm13> India has so many people, they need to focus on their larger population centers first :P
2008-02-07 09:39 < TheWeasel> They love initials
2008-02-07 09:39 < TheWeasel> almost like in Russia
2008-02-07 09:39 < NotACow> TheWeasel: well, when your names are these massive multisyllabic monstrsities, can you blame them?
2008-02-07 09:39 < Magnifier> English is the second language of India
2008-02-07 09:39 < NotACow> ramaswamithani
2008-02-07 09:40 < TheWeasel> Russia is different though, they always give the first name initial
2008-02-07 09:40 < TheWeasel> so they say "the book The Capital by K. Marx"
2008-02-07 09:40 < TheWeasel> even if there is no other Marx to confuse it with
2008-02-07 09:40 < NotACow> TheWeasel: that's not that uncommon.
2008-02-07 09:40 < TheWeasel> It's a Russian specialty
2008-02-07 09:40 < arcimboldo_> The thing is that only a small upper class majority speaks English, in relation to the total population of India.
2008-02-07 09:40 < NotACow> TheWeasel: a lot of russians have the same name
2008-02-07 09:40 < TheWeasel> Long names are most extreme in Malagasy and Singhala
2008-02-07 09:40 < arcimboldo_> The others just aren't online.
2008-02-07 09:41 < bogdan> Hindi has just 16k articles.
2008-02-07 09:41 < NotACow> TheWeasel: familial names are a new thing in russia; prior to the 20th century only nobles had familial names
2008-02-07 09:41 < TheWeasel> Antananarivo and Vikramasinghe
2008-02-07 09:41 < Magnifier> "upper class majority" is the group can access the Internet easier
2008-02-07 09:41 < bogdan> half a billion speakers and just 16k articles!
2008-02-07 09:41 < NotACow> TheWeasel: so you ended up with just a given name and patronym, and it wasn't that common for the given and patronym to be nonunique
2008-02-07 09:41 < TheWeasel> I don't know where internet is most common, I would say in the northwest
2008-02-07 09:41 < TheWeasel> so Hindi would be it
2008-02-07 09:41 < TheWeasel> maybe Gujarati
2008-02-07 09:41 < arcimboldo_> upper class minority I meant ...
2008-02-07 09:42 < TheWeasel> ye
2008-02-07 09:42 < TheWeasel> a
2008-02-07 09:42 < TheWeasel> Weasel Weaselyovich, how are you?
2008-02-07 09:42 < NotACow> bogdan: that's because most hindi speakers read and  :)edit enwiki
2008-02-07 09:42 < NotACow> eeough
2008-02-07 09:42 < NotACow> damn editor.
2008-02-07 09:42 < TheWeasel> could be a line from Tolstoi
2008-02-07 09:42 < arcimboldo_> Well, Kerala, Mumbai, Delhi may be the centers.
2008-02-07 09:42 < TheWeasel> Yea
2008-02-07 09:42 < TheWeasel> Kerala has Malayalam
2008-02-07 09:43 < TheWeasel> I don't know what they speak in Mumbai
2008-02-07 09:43 < NotACow> TheWeasel: english :)
2008-02-07 09:43 < TheWeasel> Heh
2008-02-07 09:43 < TheWeasel> while the Bengali and Tamil speaking regions are probably underrepresented
2008-02-07 09:43 < NotACow> bangladesh, on the other hand, has a very high participation rate
2008-02-07 09:44 < TheWeasel> hah, there
2008-02-07 09:44 < TheWeasel> Calcutta is more attached to Commiepedia :-P
2008-02-07 09:44 < NotACow> the vast majority of edits to bangladeshi come from bangladesh.
2008-02-07 09:44 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-07 09:44 < arcimboldo_> What do they speak in Nagaland?
2008-02-07 09:45 < TheWeasel> Heh, doesn't matter with the current situation, does it?
2008-02-07 09:45 < NotACow> i think they just hiss and spit a lot?
2008-02-07 09:45 < NotACow> no, wait, that's what nagas do.
2008-02-07 09:45 < NotACow> nevermind
2008-02-07 09:45 < TheWeasel> I don't think internet providers like to do business there
2008-02-07 09:46 < arcimboldo_> The census of 2001 recorded the state's Christian population at 1,790,349 (90.02% of the state's population),
2008-02-07 09:46 < arcimboldo_> 75% of the state's population profess the Baptist faith, thus making it more Baptist than Mississippi,
2008-02-07 09:47 < arcimboldo_> So perhaps Huckabee was born in the wrong country.
2008-02-07 09:47 < IronManMario> I read the new testament and I couldn't find the part about Jesus being crucified
2008-02-07 09:47 < IronManMario> Is it the wrong book or did I just miss it
2008-02-07 09:48 < NotACow> arcimboldo_: wow.
2008-02-07 09:48 < NotACow> hi
2008-02-07 09:50 < IronManMario> mIRC needs a nudge thing like in Windows Live Messanger.
2008-02-07 09:51 < Snowolf> IronManMario: god save us from that
2008-02-07 09:51 < IronManMario> it would pwn
2008-02-07 09:51 < bogdan> ==Muslims, shut the fuck up== quit bitching dickheads and learn to worship the one true god AND THAT IS JESUS. muhumed is lame guys you know it's true! Praise godPraise godPraise godPraise godPraise godPraise godPraise godPraise godPraise godPraise god! << from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Muhammad/images
2008-02-07 09:51 < Magnifier> OMG
2008-02-07 09:52 < Magnifier> is there a war ?
2008-02-07 09:52 < Gambit> O_O
2008-02-07 09:53 < TheWeasel> That was a quote
2008-02-07 09:53 < TheWeasel> You shouldn't've blocked
2008-02-07 09:54 < Pilotguy> Yeah yeah
2008-02-07 09:54 < Pilotguy> Ban timer adjusted
2008-02-07 09:54 * Gambit nods
2008-02-07 09:54 < Gambit> 1 hour ;)
2008-02-07 09:54 < TheWeasel> whatshoo mean
2008-02-07 09:54 < TheWeasel> o.o
2008-02-07 09:54 < TheWeasel> whatever
2008-02-07 09:54 * Riana scrolls up and reads vague comments about Indians
2008-02-07 09:54 * Riana sighs
2008-02-07 09:55 < IronManMario> but rly, did I miss something reading the new testament? I didn't find the part about Jesus being crucified
2008-02-07 09:55 < Kartagis> hi
2008-02-07 09:55 < arcimboldo_> IronManMario: Yes, go read again.
2008-02-07 09:55 < Kartagis> what does this "Wanted pages" mean?
2008-02-07 09:55 < TheWeasel> Pages that don't exist yet but someone thinks they should
2008-02-07 09:57 < arcimboldo_> Joh 19, 23
2008-02-07 09:57 < Kartagis> TheWeasel: do they appear on the list when someone types http://wiki.example.com/wiki/pagethatdoesntexist?
2008-02-07 09:58 < IronManMario> Mine is a small one that sais psalms on it, is it a different version or something
2008-02-07 09:58 < TheWeasel> no
2008-02-07 09:58 < Zach> lord of metroids
2008-02-07 09:58 < TheWeasel> I havent been there forever, I'm not well acquainted about it
2008-02-07 09:58 < Kartagis> TheWeasel: how then?
2008-02-07 09:58 < TheWeasel> IronManMario: Thats just a small part of the bible
2008-02-07 09:58 < arcimboldo_> IronManMario: Well ... psalms are not part of the new testament
2008-02-07 09:58 < TheWeasel> basically just the songs of David from the OT
2008-02-07 09:59 < IronManMario> does it have the part I'm trying to find
2008-02-07 09:59 < bumm13> which don't sound so song-like in English ;)
2008-02-07 09:59 < TheWeasel> IronManMario: No it doesn't.
2008-02-07 09:59 < arcimboldo_> IronManMario: You won't find anything about Jesus in any of the psalms.
2008-02-07 09:59 < arcimboldo_> (Except some prophecies about the coming messiah)
2008-02-07 10:00 < TheWeasel> the Psalms are just artsy poems
2008-02-07 10:01 < Kartagis> TheWeasel: ?
2008-02-07 10:02 < TheWeasel> Well, they're not dogmatic or anything
2008-02-07 10:02 < TheWeasel> they're just spiritual poetry
2008-02-07 10:02 < Kartagis> [16:57:13] <TheWeasel> I havent been there forever, I'm not well acquainted about it <--- did you say this to me?
2008-02-07 10:02 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-02-07 10:03 < Travelerx> test
2008-02-07 10:03 < TheWeasel> Werks.
2008-02-07 10:03 < Kartagis> test that we're not illiterate
2008-02-07 10:03 < Zach> what's with all the nintendo people?
2008-02-07 10:03 < Sfan00> Hi people
2008-02-07 10:03 < Zach> pichu, metroid, mario
2008-02-07 10:03 < Sfan00> I save dmy monbook
2008-02-07 10:03 < Travelerx> I just wanted to see if the java client from freenode.net works :-)
2008-02-07 10:04 < Sfan00> I save dmy monobook.js
2008-02-07 10:04 < Allah-> hi guys , what's going on here
2008-02-07 10:04 < Sfan00> and it refuses to import the scripts I added
2008-02-07 10:04 < Sfan00> Hu?
2008-02-07 10:04 < Sfan00> Huh?
2008-02-07 10:04 < Sfan00> What am I doing wrong?
2008-02-07 10:05 < Dp67> Sfan00, did you force refredh on your browser?
2008-02-07 10:05 < Sfan00> Yes
2008-02-07 10:05 < TheWeasel> Hm
2008-02-07 10:06 < Dp67> and you are using monobook theme?
2008-02-07 10:06 < Sfan00> OK no working :)
2008-02-07 10:06 < Sfan00> *now
2008-02-07 10:07 < TheWeasel> rebus sic stantibus I'll go bonkers, so I'll go outside a bit
2008-02-07 10:07 < TheWeasel> Brb
2008-02-07 10:09 < crusader_x> re allz:)
2008-02-07 10:13 < cimon> Anyone here who knows how to make lolcats?
2008-02-07 10:14 < NotACow> DOOBIE
2008-02-07 10:15 < NotACow> cimon: take a cat. paste a label to it. take picture.
2008-02-07 10:15 < NotACow> cimon: the cat may prefer that you reverse the order of the last two steps.
2008-02-07 10:16 < cimon> NotACow: I was just thinking this one would be a good source for a lolcat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cat_and_rabbit_sitting_together.jpg
2008-02-07 10:17 < NotACow> cimon: yes, quite probably
2008-02-07 10:18 < Kartagis> how can I enable file uploads?
2008-02-07 10:19 < Snowolf> Kartagis: check mediawiki's faqs before asking in the wrong channel
2008-02-07 10:19 < Kartagis> sorry
2008-02-07 10:19 < TheWeasel> the latter was sort of unnecessary :-)
2008-02-07 10:20 < TheWeasel> oh but fork-a-dork, brb!
2008-02-07 10:20 < Snowolf> Kartagis: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_enable_uploading.3F
2008-02-07 10:21 < Kartagis> I got it, thanks
2008-02-07 10:22 < IronManMario> what happens if i switch the compiler to an interpreter in a N64 emulator o.o