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2008-02-07 01:12 < Mike_H> And I'd get away with a lot more! I need to ponder my next move...mwahaha. Mike H. Fierce! 20:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
2008-02-07 01:12 < Luna-San> Hahaha. Yeah, I don't see what she was thinking, there.
2008-02-07 01:13 < Mike_H> Well, there's already enough bad blood and animosity toward "higher ups"
2008-02-07 01:13 < Mike_H> more so than there ever was a year ago
2008-02-07 01:13 < Mike_H> like, why go there?
2008-02-07 01:13 < Mike_H> How does THAT solve anything?
2008-02-07 01:15 < Luna-San> Yeah, that sums it up pretty well, I think.
2008-02-07 01:40 < Zenwhat> Hey, is anybody here good with HTML, CSS, wiki code, etc?
2008-02-07 01:41 < Omtay38> Zenwhat: wiki code yes, HTML sorta, CSS sorta
2008-02-07 01:41 < Zenwhat> Look at this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zenwhat/Sandbox
2008-02-07 01:41 < Zenwhat> How do I get the div to expand AROUND the text?
2008-02-07 01:42 < fajro> http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Petition_to_Remove_Wikipedia_Picture_of_Offensive_Teddy_Bear xDDD
2008-02-07 01:43 < Zenwhat> I made a change. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zenwhat/Sandbox
2008-02-07 01:43 < Zenwhat> It only expands horizontally, not vertically.
2008-02-07 01:44 < Zenwhat> Nevermind, somebody got it! :P
2008-02-07 02:15 < Mike_H> bumm13: are you awake?
2008-02-07 02:30 < JessicaTaylor> Hello everybody
2008-02-07 02:37 < Mike_H> yo
2008-02-07 02:38 < ALLSTARecho> y0 woot
2008-02-07 03:05 < Dudero> GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "This [Special Partnership] Force would work hand-in-glove with local host governments. Together, they would seek to target and separate terrorists from the local population, and to disrupt and defeat them. They would have the authority to call in all elements of civil assistance and humanitarian aid. Where they felt it was necessary, they could call in Delta and SEAL military resources. Their goal would
2008-02-07 03:05 < Dudero> be to build national institutions of stability and freedom, and to promote the rule of law and human rights." (Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks At AEI World Forum, 6/21/07)
2008-02-07 03:05 < Dudero> GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "And further, if I were fortunate enough to be elected your President, I'd call for a National Summit of Nations to create a new partnership ? a Partnership for [Progress] and Prosperity."
2008-02-07 03:05 < Dudero> "This Partnership would assemble the resources of all the nations of the world to work to assure that Islamic states that are threatened with violent Jihad have public schools that are not Wahhabi madrasas; that they have micro-credit and banking, the rule of law, human rights, basic health care, and competitive economic practices." (Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks At Yeshiva University, 4/26/07)
2008-02-07 03:06 < OverlordQ> oookay
2008-02-07 03:08 < Mike_H> OverlordQ: read my interview! :DD
2008-02-07 03:08 < Mike_H> http://tinyurl.com/32jev6
2008-02-07 03:10 < nokmar> were the questions made up on the spot or were they planned out?
2008-02-07 03:10 < nokmar> those questions are pretty slick
2008-02-07 03:10 < Mike_H> nokmar: Her agency wanted to know most of the questions in advance, so I had to write them previous.
2008-02-07 03:10 < nokmar> aww =)
2008-02-07 03:11 < OverlordQ> Heh nice :)
2008-02-07 03:11 < nokmar> did she make up her answers on the spot or were they memorized?
2008-02-07 03:11 < Mike_H> nokmar: If they were memorized, she didn't make it sound as if they were
2008-02-07 03:11 < Mike_H> they sounded very natural and conversational
2008-02-07 03:11 < OverlordQ> oh this was a face to face interview?
2008-02-07 03:12 < Mike_H> No, it was over the phone
2008-02-07 03:12 < OverlordQ> ah, still, bastard :P
2008-02-07 03:12 * OverlordQ never good at coming up with questions
2008-02-07 03:12 < Mike_H> OverlordQ: Mine came to me rather easily
2008-02-07 03:13 < Mike_H> her publicist was a bitch though
2008-02-07 03:13 < ALLSTARecho> sad state of affairs when i'm cooking catfish at 2 in the morn
2008-02-07 03:13 < Mike_H> like an hour before the interview
2008-02-07 03:13 < Mike_H> her publicist calls
2008-02-07 03:13 < Mike_H> and is like
2008-02-07 03:13 < Mike_H> "Can you drop the suicide question"
2008-02-07 03:13 < Mike_H> um
2008-02-07 03:13 < Mike_H> okay
2008-02-07 03:13 < nokmar> lol
2008-02-07 03:13 < Mike_H> nokmar: And all of my questions had passed inspection by her agent beforehand
2008-02-07 03:13 < Mike_H> I didn't get it
2008-02-07 03:14 < nokmar> maybe the publicist was writing answers
2008-02-07 03:14 < nokmar> and wasn't able to come up with one
2008-02-07 03:14 < Mike_H> maybe, but they weren't even in the same area
2008-02-07 03:14 < Mike_H> and she got the questions like
2008-02-07 03:14 < Mike_H> that morning
2008-02-07 03:14 < Mike_H> I don't think she would have had time to write up a script for her
2008-02-07 03:15 < ALLSTARecho> well considering her manager told you she went to the Super Bowl, but she said she didnt...
2008-02-07 03:15 < Mike_H> yeah, earlier this week he's like
2008-02-07 03:15 < Mike_H> "I have to push the interview back a day, she went to the Super Bowl and hasn't come back yet"
2008-02-07 03:15 < Mike_H> and I'm like
2008-02-07 03:15 < Mike_H> uh
2008-02-07 03:15 < Mike_H> okay.
2008-02-07 03:15 < ALLSTARecho> and umm, America's Next Top Model ??
2008-02-07 03:15 < ALLSTARecho> lol gay
2008-02-07 03:15 < ALLSTARecho> gay gay gay
2008-02-07 03:15 < ALLSTARecho> :P
2008-02-07 03:16 < Mike_H> Hey, this is a good interview.
2008-02-07 03:16 < Riana> you say gay like it's a bad thing
2008-02-07 03:16 * ALLSTARecho is gay
2008-02-07 03:16 < Mike_H> Riana: [[Equality Mississippi]]
2008-02-07 03:16 < ALLSTARecho> just saying, he's really gay
2008-02-07 03:16 < ALLSTARecho> lol
2008-02-07 03:16 < Mike_H> ALLSTARecho here is the head of it.
2008-02-07 03:16 < nokmar> conspiracy!
2008-02-07 03:16 < Riana> then that's fine
2008-02-07 03:16 < nokmar> cabal!
2008-02-07 03:16 < Riana> gay cabal
2008-02-07 03:17 * nokmar hides
2008-02-07 03:17 < Mike_H> gaybal
2008-02-07 03:17 < ALLSTARecho> lol gay cabal struck once already with [[Category:Gayass Wikipedians]]
2008-02-07 03:18 < brown_cat> ewwww
2008-02-07 03:18 < ALLSTARecho> what's next Mike? An interview with one of Britney's personalities?
2008-02-07 03:18 < brown_cat> the category smells like herpes, aids and team spirit
2008-02-07 03:19 < Mike_H> brown_cat: TEEN SPIRIT
2008-02-07 03:19 < Mike_H> get it right
2008-02-07 03:19 < brown_cat> Mike_H: it was a family guy joke
2008-02-07 03:19 * brown_cat slaps Mike_H
2008-02-07 03:20 < Mike_H> ALLSTARecho: This is a very good interview with a popular figure right now, and I stand by it. You don't have to like Top Model, but it's a newsworthy subject considering her lobbying of Congress for more funding for psoriasis awareness.
2008-02-07 03:20 < Mike_H> So, in short
2008-02-07 03:20 < Mike_H> you can suck it, because this interview is fabulous.
2008-02-07 03:20 < Mike_H> Deuces.
2008-02-07 03:20 < ALLSTARecho> [[User:Allstarecho/haha]]
2008-02-07 03:20 < ALLSTARecho> that's fabulous
2008-02-07 03:21 < ALLSTARecho> you couldnt get an interview with some hot guy? I'm revoking your gay card.
2008-02-07 03:23 < nokmar> Jimbo making blocks again
2008-02-07 03:23 < ALLSTARecho> im glad they finally full protected [[Mohammad]]
2008-02-07 03:23 < nokmar> how many good edits has he made recently?
2008-02-07 03:24 < ALLSTARecho> all that image removal was gettin on my nerves
2008-02-07 03:26 < ALLSTARecho> Mike_H: yes, a good interview, thank you for writing it :)
2008-02-07 03:29 < nokmar> looks like none recently.
2008-02-07 03:32 < ALLSTARecho> i don't think he has time, he's too busy playing with all his wiki-pets on his talk page and blocking non-vandals
2008-02-07 03:33 < nokmar> I think he should be blocked himself
2008-02-07 03:34 < ALLSTARecho> you and i will both be blocked by him.. give someone enough time to tattle again
2008-02-07 03:35 < nokmar> thing is I don't have a wiki cloak =P
2008-02-07 03:36 < nokmar> just hope he doesn't come your way.
2008-02-07 03:36 < nokmar> if he does, immediately start vandalizing.
2008-02-07 03:36 < ALLSTARecho> naw, i dont vandalize
2008-02-07 03:39 < ALLSTARecho> ive always wondered what all that cloak mess was.. i dont have one either
2008-02-07 03:39 < ALLSTARecho> i just read up on it
2008-02-07 04:07 * bumm13 bums around aimlessly
2008-02-07 04:08 * nokmar offers candy
2008-02-07 04:11 * brown_cat 's stomach rumbles
2008-02-07 04:11 * nokmar offers cake
2008-02-07 04:12 * brown_cat hugs nokmar
2008-02-07 04:12 * brown_cat eats the cake
2008-02-07 04:16 * TheWeasel_ hates people who write "alot" alot.
2008-02-07 04:17 * Pumpmeup watches on longingly
2008-02-07 04:18 * brown_cat hugs Pumpmeup
2008-02-07 04:18 < bumm13> hiya Weasel
2008-02-07 04:18 < Weaselosaurus> I greet you alot of times.
2008-02-07 04:18 < bumm13> :)
2008-02-07 04:18 < Weaselosaurus> Definately.
2008-02-07 04:19 < bumm13> "alot" can often be substituted by words such as "frequently" :P
2008-02-07 04:19 * Weaselosaurus reads decisions on highly abstract administrative proceedings
2008-02-07 04:19 < Weaselosaurus> I don't want to know how they'd misspell that one.
2008-02-07 04:20 < Weaselosaurus> When I went to school
2008-02-07 04:20 < Weaselosaurus> they done taught me that
2008-02-07 04:20 * bumm13 NP: Ever-Green Blues - Three's A Crowd (1968)
2008-02-07 04:20 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-07 04:20 < Weaselosaurus> "a lot" is only used with uncountables
2008-02-07 04:20 < Weaselosaurus> so "a lot of ducks" is wrong
2008-02-07 04:20 < Weaselosaurus> while "a lot of money" is not
2008-02-07 04:21 < Weaselosaurus> and the one used with countables is "lots of"
2008-02-07 04:21 < Weaselosaurus> it's funny, "authority" in administrative law is translated as "Gewalt" in German
2008-02-07 04:21 < Weaselosaurus> which also means "violence"
2008-02-07 04:22 < nokmar> I have a lot of chickens.
2008-02-07 04:22 < Weaselosaurus> so those texts always read like a left-wing accusation
2008-02-07 04:22 < nokmar> the lot is 5 acres
2008-02-07 04:22 < Weaselosaurus> yea, thats the one admissible use
2008-02-07 04:22 < Weaselosaurus> .-D
2008-02-07 04:22 < nokmar> =P
2008-02-07 04:22 < nokmar> gotcha
2008-02-07 04:23 < Weaselosaurus> good lord, what a mustard bonanza
2008-02-07 04:23 < Weaselosaurus> o.o
2008-02-07 04:23 * Weaselosaurus fights with half a gallon of mustard on his cardboard plate
2008-02-07 04:25 < Weaselosaurus> Wolf Blitzer coined the term "delegate bonanza" on Tuesday
2008-02-07 04:36 < Mike_H> Weaselosaurus: http://tinyurl.com/32jev6
2008-02-07 04:36 < Weaselosaurus> whats that
2008-02-07 04:36 < Mike_H> my new interview
2008-02-07 04:36 < Mike_H> click
2008-02-07 04:36 < Weaselosaurus> right
2008-02-07 04:36 < Weaselosaurus> oh, she has psoriasis.
2008-02-07 04:37 < Weaselosaurus> heh
2008-02-07 04:38 < Weaselosaurus> you write "you could have went"
2008-02-07 04:38 < Weaselosaurus> :-D
2008-02-07 04:38 < Weaselosaurus> you're very honest
2008-02-07 04:39 < Mike_H> haha
2008-02-07 04:40 < Weaselosaurus> wow she makes it sounds like psoriasis is equivalent to having no nose
2008-02-07 04:40 < Weaselosaurus> or something truly bad like that
2008-02-07 04:40 < Weaselosaurus> but alright
2008-02-07 04:40 < Mike_H> It covered 70% of her body.
2008-02-07 04:40 < Mike_H> she wanted to be a model.
2008-02-07 04:40 < Weaselosaurus> I have been screwed like that by my surgeries only.
2008-02-07 04:40 < Mike_H> With huge red scaly things covering up her entire body, yeah, that dream wouldn't have happened
2008-02-07 04:41 < Weaselosaurus> well, I can't do long jump either
2008-02-07 04:41 < Weaselosaurus> :-/
2008-02-07 04:41 < Weaselosaurus> anyway
2008-02-07 04:41 < Weaselosaurus> she's pretty cool though
2008-02-07 04:42 < Mike_H> Weaselosaurus: read the question about runway
2008-02-07 04:42 < Mike_H> and her response
2008-02-07 04:42 < Mike_H> it's the long one
2008-02-07 04:42 < Mike_H> that's what made me really sad.
2008-02-07 04:42 < Weaselosaurus> yea, I'll get there
2008-02-07 04:42 < The359> Don't rush him!
2008-02-07 04:42 < The359> ass
2008-02-07 04:42 * Mike_H slaps The359 around a bit with a large trout
2008-02-07 04:43 * Mike_H slaps The359 around a bit with a large trout
2008-02-07 04:43 * Mike_H slaps The359 around a bit with a large trout
2008-02-07 04:43 < Mike_H> whammo blammo
2008-02-07 04:43 < The359> No whammy!
2008-02-07 04:43 < Weaselosaurus> I just thought it was kind of bad when you always get told "you can achieve anything you want if you only believe" and all that shit
2008-02-07 04:43 < Weaselosaurus> and realism doesn't kick in
2008-02-07 04:43 < Weaselosaurus> but she handled it alright I guess
2008-02-07 04:44 < Mike_H> Weaselosaurus: Well
2008-02-07 04:44 < Mike_H> and she makes it clear that even if it clears up with medicine
2008-02-07 04:44 < Mike_H> you're never CURED
2008-02-07 04:44 < Mike_H> you have to do the treatments forever.
2008-02-07 04:44 < Weaselosaurus> of course not
2008-02-07 04:44 < Weaselosaurus> happens
2008-02-07 04:44 < Weaselosaurus> you can't plan to be a pro tennis player, or model
2008-02-07 04:45 < Weaselosaurus> it's the American kind of Marxism
2008-02-07 04:46 < Weaselosaurus> "only your weak will holds you back from achieving whatever you want"
2008-02-07 04:46 < Weaselosaurus> but no, you can't get blue eyes just by really really wanting to
2008-02-07 04:46 < Mike_H> dude, what is she supposed to say
2008-02-07 04:46 < Mike_H> "You have psoriasis, you're fucked, bye"?
2008-02-07 04:46 < Weaselosaurus> no, not at all
2008-02-07 04:47 < Weaselosaurus> just that it's not so bad in the great scheme of things
2008-02-07 04:47 < ALLSTARecho> seen this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/06/the_cult_of_wikipedia/
2008-02-07 04:47 < Weaselosaurus> when you lower your expectations, if necessary
2008-02-07 04:47 < Weaselosaurus> doesn't mean you can't try
2008-02-07 04:47 < Mike_H> Well, the Foundation didn't hire her to be real
2008-02-07 04:47 < Mike_H> they hired her to inspire.
2008-02-07 04:48 < bumm13> must be fun to get paid to be "inspirational"
2008-02-07 04:48 < Weaselosaurus> heh... yea. It just sounded like "damn you, insurance, for not sponsoring me to look model-like"
2008-02-07 04:49 < Mike_H> bumm13: I don't think it's a paid endorsement
2008-02-07 04:49 < Weaselosaurus> bumm13: It must be fun to be Barack.
2008-02-07 04:49 < Mike_H> she gets her flights to different places to speak about it
2008-02-07 04:49 < Mike_H> but I don't think she gets paid
2008-02-07 04:49 < Mike_H> like
2008-02-07 04:49 < Mike_H> millions.
2008-02-07 04:49 < bumm13> hmm
2008-02-07 04:49 < Weaselosaurus> yea, it's ok to raise awareness
2008-02-07 04:49 < bumm13> well, I never implied "millions"
2008-02-07 04:49 * bumm13 rarely thinks big ;p
2008-02-07 04:49 < Weaselosaurus> I guess skin problems are a taboo in those circles
2008-02-07 04:49 < Weaselosaurus> I mean, I'm not against her work
2008-02-07 04:50 < Weaselosaurus> I just call the "life owes me the ability to become a model" way of thinking into question
2008-02-07 04:50 < Mike_H> hey, whatever works for her
2008-02-07 04:51 < Weaselosaurus> I spose.
2008-02-07 04:51 < Weaselosaurus> it's like all the things that are spewed in my own community because the South African guy with his prosthetic leg is not allowed to compete with regular runners.
2008-02-07 04:51 < Weaselosaurus> he's not allowed, because prosthetics work better than real legs
2008-02-07 04:52 < Weaselosaurus> and the community shouts "discrimination"
2008-02-07 04:53 < Mike_H> well, another example
2008-02-07 04:53 < Mike_H> in the US
2008-02-07 04:53 < Mike_H> there's "Deaf culture"
2008-02-07 04:53 < Mike_H> capital D.
2008-02-07 04:53 < Mike_H> A former Miss America we had
2008-02-07 04:53 < Mike_H> she got a cochlear implant.
2008-02-07 04:53 < Weaselosaurus> You can't compete in races with two-legged people, with one leg, pure and simple.
2008-02-07 04:53 < Mike_H> The "Deaf" people, with capital D, sent her death threats
2008-02-07 04:53 < Mike_H> because she was "betraying the Deaf culture and people"
2008-02-07 04:53 < bumm13> that's such utter bullshit
2008-02-07 04:53 < Weaselosaurus> heh yea, gotta love it
2008-02-07 04:53 < Mike_H> when in reality
2008-02-07 04:53 < Mike_H> she was never raised in "Deaf" culture
2008-02-07 04:53 < Mike_H> she was raised in hearing culture, and didn't learn sign language until like high school
2008-02-07 04:54 < bumm13> the "militant" Deaf
2008-02-07 04:54 < Weaselosaurus> I mean, I have a lot of respect for many minority movements.
2008-02-07 04:54 < bumm13> it's uncivil to harass people, plain and simple
2008-02-07 04:54 < Weaselosaurus> but there should be more practical work, not principled whining
2008-02-07 04:54 < bumm13> to do so in the name of "culture" is purely ideological extremism
2008-02-07 04:55 < Weaselosaurus> yea, there are lots of fundie cripples
2008-02-07 04:55 < Weaselosaurus> I'm happy to say I'm not among them
2008-02-07 04:55 < Weaselosaurus> :-D
2008-02-07 04:55 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-07 04:55 < Weaselosaurus> I mean, how stupid is "I'm proud of my disability"?
2008-02-07 04:56 < Weaselosaurus> it's like stepping on a soapbox screaming "I'M JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, AND I'LL PUNCH YOU IF YOU SAY ANY DIFFERENT"
2008-02-07 04:56 < Weaselosaurus> instead of going out and actually being like everyone else
2008-02-07 04:56 < bumm13> sure
2008-02-07 04:56 < Mike_H> Weaselosaurus: That's why I don't do a lot of gay movements
2008-02-07 04:56 < Weaselosaurus> yep
2008-02-07 04:56 < Mike_H> because I feel like letting people know I'm not "different" is leading by example and just living.
2008-02-07 04:57 < Weaselosaurus> any stereotypical minority culture necessarily leads to self-victimization
2008-02-07 04:57 < Mike_H> right.
2008-02-07 04:57 < Mike_H> you're only a victim if you want to be.
2008-02-07 04:57 < Weaselosaurus> and non-acceptance
2008-02-07 04:57 < Weaselosaurus> hah, there are some bitter cripples whose hobby it is to heckle.
2008-02-07 04:58 < Weaselosaurus> someone in my family was a judge at an social court
2008-02-07 04:58 < Weaselosaurus> responsible for benefits to those people
2008-02-07 04:58 < Weaselosaurus> and he would get those 20-page rants why the state is fascist for not letting him fly to Spain for free
2008-02-07 04:58 < Weaselosaurus> that sort of thing
2008-02-07 04:59 < Weaselosaurus> </rant>
2008-02-07 05:00 * Weaselosaurus plays Spider while his tts engine reads decisions to him
2008-02-07 05:01 < Weaselosaurus> ...and that's how I roll.
2008-02-07 05:01 < bumm13> the solitaire variant
2008-02-07 05:01 < Luna-San> Hmm... transit cash card with $0.20 on it. Keep?
2008-02-07 05:01 < Mike_H> where you gon' ride with 20 cents?
2008-02-07 05:01 < Mike_H> to the store?
2008-02-07 05:01 < bumm13> *the solitaire variant?
2008-02-07 05:02 < Luna-San> Hopefully even that far. :<
2008-02-07 05:02 < Weaselosaurus> yea, the simple variation with only spades, just to try for my own highscore
2008-02-07 05:02 < bumm13> "cash value 1/20 of $0.01"
2008-02-07 05:02 < Weaselosaurus> try for somewhere well below 100 moves
2008-02-07 05:02 < bumm13> :)
2008-02-07 05:03 < Weaselosaurus> I'm probably the only guy in the world seriously considering strategies for that game.
2008-02-07 05:03 < Weaselosaurus> at least on the easy level.
2008-02-07 05:03 < bumm13> hmm, I didn't know this....
2008-02-07 05:03 < bumm13> http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_329c.html
2008-02-07 05:04 < Weaselosaurus> heh
2008-02-07 05:04 * bumm13 isn't very adventurous in learning new card games
2008-02-07 05:04 < Weaselosaurus> I usually end up leaving almost everything up to the engine and just study strategy :-P
2008-02-07 05:04 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-07 05:05 < bumm13> I should learn how to play Pinochle
2008-02-07 05:05 < Weaselosaurus> heh, the grocery coupon thing looks a lot like extremely small consideration that sometimes validates a contract in the common law
2008-02-07 05:06 < Weaselosaurus> which is really a sign that consideration as part of the concept of contract is quite arbitrary
2008-02-07 05:06 < Luna-San> One time a friend got a pinochle deck without realizing it... we played blackjack, of all things.
2008-02-07 05:06 * Weaselosaurus plays only German trick-taking games
2008-02-07 05:06 < Weaselosaurus> and some hold 'em, but badly.
2008-02-07 05:10 < Weaselosaurus> Blah
2008-02-07 05:10 < Weaselosaurus> Fail Weasel is fail.
2008-02-07 05:10 < Luna-San> o.o
2008-02-07 05:11 < Weaselosaurus> srsly.
2008-02-07 05:13 < Weaselosaurus> Turns out I'm not failing, but the result is not that great either
2008-02-07 05:13 < bumm13> aww, no Spades playing, then?
2008-02-07 05:14 * Pumpmeup gives brown_cat a playful nudge as he toddles off to sleepyland
2008-02-07 05:14 < Weaselosaurus> Spades playing, but I'm failing to be even near the number of moves where I want to be
2008-02-07 05:14 * brown_cat sobs
2008-02-07 05:14 < Weaselosaurus> 109.
2008-02-07 05:15 < bumm13> I meant Spades the card game
2008-02-07 05:15 < bumm13> * Weaselosaurus plays only German trick-taking games
2008-02-07 05:15 < Weaselosaurus> I dunno
2008-02-07 05:15 < Weaselosaurus> No.
2008-02-07 05:16 < bumm13> ah ok
2008-02-07 05:16 < Weaselosaurus> I've never.
2008-02-07 05:16 < bumm13> technically, I haven't either
2008-02-07 05:16 < Weaselosaurus> I know I could, via Windows
2008-02-07 05:16 < Weaselosaurus> but I don't know how
2008-02-07 05:16 < bumm13> yeah
2008-02-07 05:16 < Weaselosaurus> I
2008-02-07 05:16 < webkid> hey - i have a question!
2008-02-07 05:16 < Weaselosaurus> would learn Bridge, if only for the awesomely obscure terminology
2008-02-07 05:16 < bumm13> it's like a simplified version of Bridge witha bit of the flavor of Hearts
2008-02-07 05:16 < webkid> so everybody listen
2008-02-07 05:16 < bumm13> yeah, Bridge is kind of evil
2008-02-07 05:16 < webkid> :)
2008-02-07 05:17 < webkid> there's a certain OGG on EN Wiki, uploaded with {{PD-self}}
2008-02-07 05:17 < webkid> Question is:
2008-02-07 05:17 * brown_cat sits on webkid's foot
2008-02-07 05:17 < webkid> when i upload it to Wikimedia, do I put {{PD-self}} or sth else
2008-02-07 05:17 < webkid> AUCH
2008-02-07 05:17 < bumm13> I always say that Bridge is a large corpus of rules that happen to invoke playing cards ;)
2008-02-07 05:17 < webkid> you senseless creature
2008-02-07 05:17 < Luna-San> {{PD-self}} implies *you* are the author. So probably not.
2008-02-07 05:17 < webkid> i'm just kidding
2008-02-07 05:18 < webkid> does it explicitly say that?
2008-02-07 05:18 < Weaselosaurus> Heh.
2008-02-07 05:18 * brown_cat jumps onto webkid's lap
2008-02-07 05:18 < webkid> brown_cat that's going out of control
2008-02-07 05:18 < Luna-San> "I, the copyright holder of this work"
2008-02-07 05:18 < Luna-San> There's an alternative template, I think. Lemme dig for a moment.
2008-02-07 05:18 < webkid> okie dokie
2008-02-07 05:19 < bumm13> trump, no trump, weird "bidding", rubber
2008-02-07 05:19 < webkid> i can't believe it's 4:20 here
2008-02-07 05:19 < bumm13> zomg!
2008-02-07 05:19 < Luna-San> You can use {{PD-user|USERNAME GOES HERE}} if it's somebody else on Wikipedia. Failing that, there's always {{PD-reason|REASON GOES HERE}}
2008-02-07 05:19 < Weaselosaurus> Like emacs is a great OS with a mediocre editor.
2008-02-07 05:19 < webkid> never!
2008-02-07 05:19 < bumm13> webkid: you seem to have started early ;p
2008-02-07 05:19 < webkid> Luna-San, thanks a bunch
2008-02-07 05:19 < bumm13> Weasel: heh, indeed
2008-02-07 05:19 < Weaselosaurus> so Bridge is an awesome legislative framework with a jolly boring card game
2008-02-07 05:20 < webkid> problem is, i never stopped :(
2008-02-07 05:20 < Luna-San> Yep yep. Granted the licensing templates might be a bit different on something other than en.wikipedia, but they're probably similar
2008-02-07 05:20 < webkid> been up for about 22+ hrs
2008-02-07 05:20 < bumm13> "Type of government: Bridge-based"
2008-02-07 05:20 < webkid> oh i need to ask you something else too, Luna-San
2008-02-07 05:20 < webkid> sorry
2008-02-07 05:21 < bumm13> that would make C-SPAN interesting, I suppose
2008-02-07 05:21 < Luna-San> Hmm?
2008-02-07 05:21 < Weaselosaurus> bumm13: lately I've been much intrigued by [[Mornington Crescent (game)]]
2008-02-07 05:21 < bumm13> ah, another oddball
2008-02-07 05:21 < bumm13> I had never heard of it until frequenting this channel
2008-02-07 05:21 < bumm13> :P
2008-02-07 05:22 < bumm13> (it's raining hard here :( )
2008-02-07 05:22 < webkid> how do you signal on the already unnecessary audio page that the file ought to be deleted
2008-02-07 05:22 < webkid> what's the template
2008-02-07 05:22 < webkid> {{nowcommons}}?
2008-02-07 05:22 < webkid> or is it changed to something else now
2008-02-07 05:23 < webkid> even though i'm a kid, my history of editing goes back to 2001 :D
2008-02-07 05:23 < Weaselosaurus> I'm still analysing the Stockwell gambit, but I've come to the conclusion that the Mansion House Defence is adequate.
2008-02-07 05:24 < Weaselosaurus> Anyway
2008-02-07 05:24 < Luna-San> I forget. The documentation on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Nowcommons has some stuff about that
2008-02-07 05:24 < webkid> bghh
2008-02-07 05:24 < webkid> ok.. thanks so much again, LS
2008-02-07 05:24 * Weaselosaurus loves to toss around chess jargon
2008-02-07 05:25 < webkid> zeitnot!
2008-02-07 05:25 * Luna-San nodnod
2008-02-07 05:25 < webkid> sieg.. heil
2008-02-07 05:25 * Weaselosaurus puts webkid in zugzwang
2008-02-07 05:26 < Weaselosaurus> chess was dominated by Germans in its formative years in the late 19th, early 20th century, so there's loads of obscure German words in there
2008-02-07 05:26 < Weaselosaurus> (German and German-speaking, i.e. Austrians)
2008-02-07 05:27 < Weaselosaurus> German-speaking people had the World Championship from 1896 to 1921
2008-02-07 05:27 < Luna-San> Ahh. I was wondering what the hell that word meant. Thanks for reminding me to look it up.
2008-02-07 05:28 < Weaselosaurus> unsurprisingly, some of the most tediously dogmatic and doggedly asshole-ish players of the time were also Germans
2008-02-07 05:28 < Luna-San> Old and busted: "I'll wait and see what the vandal does next." New hotness: "It's a zugzwang."
2008-02-07 05:28 < Weaselosaurus> (i.e. Tarrasch, Tarrasch and Tarrasch)
2008-02-07 05:30 < Weaselosaurus> Tarrasch had journalistic feuds with innumerable people, including World Champion Lasker, he said "I will only say one word to him, and that is "checkmate"".
2008-02-07 05:31 < Weaselosaurus> and he would regularly give moves question marks that he personally thought were only the second best, compared to his own preferred move
2008-02-07 05:31 < Weaselosaurus> regardless of whether it was objectively sound and playable
2008-02-07 05:31 < Weaselosaurus> a question mark is the cleanup template of chess
2008-02-07 05:31 < E_Wing> Snowolf, are you in here?
2008-02-07 05:32 < Snowolf> E_Wing: I am - just ignore him
2008-02-07 05:32 < E_Wing> ah ok
2008-02-07 05:32 < Snowolf> (If I understood what you wanted to ask ;-) )
2008-02-07 05:32 < E_Wing> I just found one that I think he is looking for
2008-02-07 05:32 < E_Wing> ehehehe
2008-02-07 05:33 < webkid> Weaselosaurus you should become a chess historian
2008-02-07 05:33 < webkid> :-)_
2008-02-07 05:33 < Weaselosaurus> hm... there are better people than me.
2008-02-07 05:33 < Weaselosaurus> I do love chess anecdotes though
2008-02-07 05:33 < webkid> perfection is impossible even though impossible is nothing
2008-02-07 05:33 < E_Wing> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Others.27_comments
2008-02-07 05:33 < Weaselosaurus> in no sport are there more loveable eccentricities than in chess
2008-02-07 05:33 < webkid> can you recall any involving bulgarian chessplayers
2008-02-07 05:34 < bumm13> chess, the non-athletic sport :)
2008-02-07 05:34 < webkid> brainiaaac
2008-02-07 05:34 < Weaselosaurus> the Baron von Bardeleben once left the board instead of giving up, later telegraphing his resignation
2008-02-07 05:34 < Weaselosaurus> he went on to jump out of his apartment window
2008-02-07 05:34 < bumm13> haha
2008-02-07 05:34 < webkid> jaja
2008-02-07 05:34 < Weaselosaurus> well. couple years later anyway
2008-02-07 05:35 < bumm13> checkmate? :P
2008-02-07 05:35 < Weaselosaurus> shah trang, the king is dead.
2008-02-07 05:35 < bumm13> more people would like chess if actual regicide occurred ;)
2008-02-07 05:35 < webkid> urdu?
2008-02-07 05:35 < webkid> farsi
2008-02-07 05:35 < Weaselosaurus> Persian
2008-02-07 05:35 < Weaselosaurus> yea, old
2008-02-07 05:35 < Weaselosaurus> He was just a baron though
2008-02-07 05:36 < webkid> like baron munchausen..
2008-02-07 05:36 < bumm13> so he probably wore a funny-looking hat
2008-02-07 05:36 < webkid> jeje
2008-02-07 05:36 < Weaselosaurus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_von_Bardeleben
2008-02-07 05:36 < Weaselosaurus> Turns out he was a Count, even.
2008-02-07 05:37 < bumm13> ah
2008-02-07 05:37 < bumm13> perhaps he had a cape
2008-02-07 05:37 < bumm13> (ick, it smells like sewage or something really rank outside ;p )
2008-02-07 05:38 < Weaselosaurus> Maybe he laughed manically when he made the decisive sacrifice, with thunder and lightning in the back
2008-02-07 05:38 < bumm13> perhaps :)
2008-02-07 05:38 < webkid> and monospectacles
2008-02-07 05:38 < webkid> i dont know if that's a word though
2008-02-07 05:38 < Weaselosaurus> Monocle
2008-02-07 05:38 < Weaselosaurus> :-D
2008-02-07 05:38 < bumm13> heh, yeah
2008-02-07 05:38 < webkid> thanks
2008-02-07 05:39 < bumm13> Disney taught us all that dukes always wear monocles
2008-02-07 05:39 < webkid> i'm still acquiring the english language
2008-02-07 05:39 < bumm13> (per Cinderella)
2008-02-07 05:39 < Weaselosaurus> webkid: Where are you from then?
2008-02-07 05:39 * webkid disney - boo
2008-02-07 05:39 < webkid> Weaselosaurus, born and raised in Varna
2008-02-07 05:39 < Weaselosaurus> oh, fun.
2008-02-07 05:40 < webkid> a city in Bulgaria
2008-02-07 05:40 < Weaselosaurus> bumm13: What if you're the Duke of Earl?
2008-02-07 05:40 < webkid> and no - we don't torture people
2008-02-07 05:40 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-07 05:40 < Weaselosaurus> Yea, I know well.
2008-02-07 05:40 < bumm13> not sure then
2008-02-07 05:40 < webkid> :)
2008-02-07 05:40 < Weaselosaurus> Interesting case.
2008-02-07 05:40 < bumm13> did viscounts have viscounties?
2008-02-07 05:40 < Weaselosaurus> "vice-count"
2008-02-07 05:41 < Weaselosaurus> so they were just a kind of administrator for the county
2008-02-07 05:41 < bumm13> ah
2008-02-07 05:41 < Weaselosaurus> afaik
2008-02-07 05:41 < Weaselosaurus> it's an English thing
2008-02-07 05:41 < bumm13> yeah
2008-02-07 05:41 < webkid> doesn't it come from French though
2008-02-07 05:41 < Weaselosaurus> yea, vicomte
2008-02-07 05:41 < Weaselosaurus> but it's never spilt over here
2008-02-07 05:41 < Weaselosaurus> We have Freiherren though!
2008-02-07 05:41 * bumm13 attempts to invade the royal palace, careful to avoid several paladins
2008-02-07 05:41 < Weaselosaurus> and -frauen
2008-02-07 05:42 < webkid> we - who are you?
2008-02-07 05:42 < Weaselosaurus> Must be a Byzantine-style court
2008-02-07 05:42 < webkid> your majesty?
2008-02-07 05:42 < Weaselosaurus> Germany
2008-02-07 05:42 < webkid> i see
2008-02-07 05:42 < webkid> Deutscheland uber alles!
2008-02-07 05:42 < webkid> just kidding
2008-02-07 05:42 < LordWeaselford> ... Über alles gießt du Soße!
2008-02-07 05:42 < webkid> well said!
2008-02-07 05:43 < webkid> i wish i could understand it
2008-02-07 05:43 < LordWeaselford> "over everything you pour gravy"
2008-02-07 05:43 < webkid> haha
2008-02-07 05:43 < LordWeaselford> roughly
2008-02-07 05:43 < webkid> gravy... lol
2008-02-07 05:43 < webkid> like, gravy the souce?
2008-02-07 05:43 < LordWeaselford> yea
2008-02-07 05:43 < webkid> sauce
2008-02-07 05:43 < webkid> do you use gravy a lot in your region?
2008-02-07 05:43 < webkid> i thought it's an american thing
2008-02-07 05:43 < LordWeaselford> it's a satirical play on "über alles" which means both "above all" and "onto everything"
2008-02-07 05:44 < LordWeaselford> yea, we do
2008-02-07 05:44 < webkid> yes - i am familiar with the meaning of "uber alles"
2008-02-07 05:44 < webkid> uber alles, ubermensche... :)
2008-02-07 05:44 < LordWeaselford> Sauce has a slightly different meaning in English, I think, so I used gravy
2008-02-07 05:44 < webkid> a lot of superiority complex!
2008-02-07 05:44 < webkid> :)
2008-02-07 05:44 < webkid> i see now
2008-02-07 05:44 < LordWeaselford> hm... Nietzsche has been misunderstood a lot.
2008-02-07 05:44 < webkid> did he understand himself i wonder
2008-02-07 05:44 < webkid> obviously not after 1889
2008-02-07 05:45 < LordWeaselford> well, his work is not very stringent.
2008-02-07 05:45 < LordWeaselford> I mean, it's not a systematic account
2008-02-07 05:45 < webkid> yes
2008-02-07 05:45 < LordWeaselford> like Kant's works
2008-02-07 05:45 < webkid> just a lot of mumbo-jumbo if you will
2008-02-07 05:45 < webkid> i thought kant was more consistnet
2008-02-07 05:45 < LordWeaselford> yup
2008-02-07 05:45 < webkid> *consistent
2008-02-07 05:46 < LordWeaselford> yea, Kant is probably the most anally retentive philosopher in history
2008-02-07 05:46 < webkid> even though kant didnt really impress anyone until his 40s and 50s, correct?
2008-02-07 05:46 < LordWeaselford> incredibly systematic and comprehensive
2008-02-07 05:46 < webkid> haha
2008-02-07 05:46 < LordWeaselford> I think.
2008-02-07 05:46 * bumm13 bums around aimlessly
2008-02-07 05:46 < webkid> oh i see know. i thought you gave kant as a nexample of "it's not a systematic account"
2008-02-07 05:47 < TheWeasel> no, I tried to point him out as a kind of anti-Nietzsche
2008-02-07 05:47 < webkid> so he's unlike him
2008-02-07 05:47 < TheWeasel> Correct.
2008-02-07 05:47 < webkid> :)
2008-02-07 05:47 < TheWeasel> Kant was an impossibly dry and Prussian man.
2008-02-07 05:48 < TheWeasel> he got up at five in the morning, worked without a pause the entire day, then fell asleep at seven.
2008-02-07 05:48 * sannses_cat sits on PeanutHorst's lap
2008-02-07 05:48 < webkid> hehe
2008-02-07 05:48 < TheWeasel> and his mind was much the same.
2008-02-07 05:48 < Luna-San> TheWeasel: Heh, I rather like that little play on words. Tried to tell it to somebody over the phone, but I think they don't grasp the deep associations of "ueber alles" well enough to get it. Darn.
2008-02-07 05:48 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-02-07 05:49 * sannses_cat threatens White_Cat
2008-02-07 05:49 < TheWeasel> I have it on good information that some Germans read Kant in English translations, because his German is so complicated
2008-02-07 05:49 < webkid> prussians must have been the backbone of the contemporary German nation (even though i dislike nationalism)
2008-02-07 05:49 < TheWeasel> yea, they have
2008-02-07 05:49 < webkid> haha :)
2008-02-07 05:49 < TheWeasel> Germany was mostly a fiction with a language.
2008-02-07 05:49 < webkid> an imagined community ;-)
2008-02-07 05:50 < webkid> going to Benedict Anderson...
2008-02-07 05:50 < TheWeasel> people were Bavarians, Swabians, Prussians and Saxons first and Germans second
2008-02-07 05:50 < TheWeasel> a lot of that remains, but it's not nearly as common now
2008-02-07 05:50 < bumm13> and East Frisians!
2008-02-07 05:50 < TheWeasel> East Frisia has been Prussian at least since the RDHS in 1803.
2008-02-07 05:51 < bumm13> tell that to Frisian speakers ;p
2008-02-07 05:51 < TheWeasel> and part of Napoleonic France respectively
2008-02-07 05:51 * sannses_cat slaps Mike_H round a bit with a large trout
2008-02-07 05:51 < TheWeasel> heh
2008-02-07 05:51 < webkid> so who were the leaders behind the unification of 1871? was the Iron Chancellor a Prussian?
2008-02-07 05:51 < TheWeasel> East Frisia is a strange region, there are lots of jokes about them
2008-02-07 05:51 < TheWeasel> he was
2008-02-07 05:51 < TheWeasel> Bismarck
2008-02-07 05:51 < webkid> meine freunde otto
2008-02-07 05:52 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-07 05:52 < webkid> what kind of jokes do you have about East Frisia
2008-02-07 05:52 < TheWeasel> he was from one of the most Prussian regions ever, the northern [[Altmark]]
2008-02-07 05:52 < webkid> and where in Germany is East Frisia by the way..
2008-02-07 05:52 < TheWeasel> question-answer type jokes that relate to their supposed stupidity
2008-02-07 05:53 < webkid> oh, oka
2008-02-07 05:53 < webkid> y
2008-02-07 05:53 < TheWeasel> Extreme north-west
2008-02-07 05:53 < webkid> aha, next to the Poles
2008-02-07 05:53 < TheWeasel> on the northern Dutch border
2008-02-07 05:53 < webkid> ohhh
2008-02-07 05:53 < webkid> i confused west and east - sorry
2008-02-07 05:53 < webkid> must be the time, 4:53 :(
2008-02-07 05:53 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-07 05:54 < TheWeasel> the funny thing is that while the region is fiercely Protestant and left-wing, the one immediately to the south is almost exclusively Catholic and very conservative
2008-02-07 05:54 < sannses_cat> what is the fear of transsexuals called?
2008-02-07 05:55 < webkid> transsexophobia
2008-02-07 05:55 < webkid> perchance
2008-02-07 05:55 * TheWeasel is entirely unafraid of transsexuals so I never needed one
2008-02-07 05:55 * sannses_cat is with TheWeasel
2008-02-07 05:55 < webkid> TheWeasel, which region of Germany do you reside in, if you don't mind answering
2008-02-07 05:56 < TheWeasel> Berlin
2008-02-07 05:56 < webkid> very well
2008-02-07 05:56 < webkid> so do you have a lot of Turkic friends? :)
2008-02-07 05:56 < TheWeasel> Slavic/Brandenburgian/Prussian
2008-02-07 05:56 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-07 05:56 < TheWeasel> now a city-state for no real reason
2008-02-07 05:56 < TheWeasel> a few
2008-02-07 05:57 < TheWeasel> Berlin used to be the largest Turkish city outside Turkey
2008-02-07 05:57 < webkid> was berlin ever a capital before the reunification?
2008-02-07 05:57 < TheWeasel> yea sure
2008-02-07 05:57 < TheWeasel> after 1871
2008-02-07 05:58 * PeanutHorst fluffles sannses_cat
2008-02-07 05:58 * sannses_cat cuddles PeanutHorst
2008-02-07 05:58 * sannses_cat gives PeanutHorst a massage
2008-02-07 05:58 < PeanutHorst> oooooooOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH
2008-02-07 05:58 < PeanutHorst> :p
2008-02-07 05:58 < TheWeasel> before that Germany was so federal that it didn't need a capital, but Berlin/Potsdam were de facto it
2008-02-07 05:58 < webkid> tranquilo, tranquilo
2008-02-07 05:59 < TheWeasel> and before that, Vienna.
2008-02-07 05:59 < webkid> so do Berliners feel elevated and more sophisticated than the other inhabits of the state? :)
2008-02-07 05:59 < webkid> inhabitants*
2008-02-07 06:00 < TheWeasel> sure there's a kind of snobbery
2008-02-07 06:00 < webkid> ok - i am afraid i have to stop here
2008-02-07 06:00 < TheWeasel> but politics in Berlin aren't as world class as Berlin sees itself.
2008-02-07 06:01 < TheWeasel> cheers mate
2008-02-07 06:01 < webkid> gesundheit!
2008-02-07 06:01 < webkid> :)
2008-02-07 06:01 * sannses_cat passes PeanutHorst some tissues O_o
2008-02-07 06:01 * TheWeasel sneezes
2008-02-07 06:01 * webkid is looking around for some beer
2008-02-07 06:01 < sannses_cat> TheWeasel: not quite what I was thinking :p
2008-02-07 06:01 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-02-07 06:03 < sannses_cat> <3 this pic - soo interesting http://flickr.com/photos/coolz0r/331213239/
2008-02-07 06:03 * sannses_cat really wants to go to chernobyl
2008-02-07 06:05 < TheWeasel> it's one of those slightly masochistic cravings, like wanting to go see Pyongyang
2008-02-07 06:05 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-07 06:05 < sannses_cat> or utah xD
2008-02-07 06:06 < TheWeasel> Well, Utah has got some redeeming features at least, I guess
2008-02-07 06:09 < sannses_cat> TheWeasel: wow, rocks sure are amazing
2008-02-07 06:09 < TheWeasel> That's why they're called rocks.
2008-02-07 06:09 < TheWeasel> Cause they do.
2008-02-07 06:10 < TheWeasel> Consider an abstinent geologist in a vacuum...
2008-02-07 06:10 < sannses_cat> isn't that deadly O_O
2008-02-07 06:11 < TheWeasel> We
2008-02-07 06:11 < TheWeasel> are just developing a model
2008-02-07 06:11 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-07 06:12 < sannses_cat> :D
2008-02-07 06:12 < TheWeasel> It's Utah, realism isn't their forte anyway :-P
2008-02-07 06:12 < sannses_cat> TheWeasel: will you take me to Chernobyl?
2008-02-07 06:13 < TheWeasel> "Take me to Chernobyl/dabadadam/dip me in the water"