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2008-02-05 21:36 < White_Cat> mmm
2008-02-05 21:36 < Gracenotes> NotAYert: he could easily play O'Brien from 1984... he has that sort of presence :<
2008-02-05 21:36 < Gracenotes> if not a bit more stoic
2008-02-05 21:36 < White_Cat> Gracenotes is an @ here
2008-02-05 21:36 < NotACow> Mark_Ryan: we can't have elections on saturday. there's be no votes returned from skokie.
2008-02-05 21:36 < White_Cat> I did not know we were that desperate
2008-02-05 21:36 * White_Cat hugs Gracenotes
2008-02-05 21:36 < Mark_Ryan> Not_the_NSA: skokie?
2008-02-05 21:36 < Mark_Ryan> er, *NotACow
2008-02-05 21:37 * Gracenotes huggles White_Cat
2008-02-05 21:37 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan
2008-02-05 21:37 < White_Cat> pm
2008-02-05 21:37 * Not_the_NSA attacks Mark_Ryan for unnecessary pinging
2008-02-05 21:37 * NotAYert pushes NotACow into an Olive Garden
2008-02-05 21:37 < NotACow> Mark_Ryan: skokie, illinois
2008-02-05 21:37 < Mark_Ryan> why wouldn't there be any votes returned from there?
2008-02-05 21:37 < NotACow> Mark_Ryan: the community is overwhelmingly jewish
2008-02-05 21:38 < Mark_Ryan> are they not allowed to vote on the sabbath?
2008-02-05 21:38 < NotACow> Mark_Ryan: of course not.
2008-02-05 21:38 < Mark_Ryan> well, they do here
2008-02-05 21:38 < NotACow> wel, australian jews aren't known for their orthodoxy :)
2008-02-05 21:38 < Mark_Ryan> that, or they just do a postal ballot
2008-02-05 21:38 < NotACow> plus you use paper ballots, i bet
2008-02-05 21:38 < NotACow> so there's no "making fire"
2008-02-05 21:39 < Mark_Ryan> yeah, we never adopted the cursed electronic voting machines
2008-02-05 21:39 < Mark_Ryan> thank god :P
2008-02-05 21:39 < Mike_H> Clinton, seeking to become the first female president, won at home in New York as well as in Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Arkansas, where she was first lady for more than a decade.
2008-02-05 21:39 < Mike_H> Obama, hoping to become the first black president, won in Georgia, Alabama and Delaware as well as his home state of Illinois.
2008-02-05 21:39 < Mike_H> oh, hm
2008-02-05 21:39 < Mike_H> I thought Obama didn't win Alabama.
2008-02-05 21:39 < Mike_H> They must have called it too early.
2008-02-05 21:39 < NotACow> alabama won obama, yes
2008-02-05 21:40 < SWATJester> Obama's also doing really well in minnesota and kansas
2008-02-05 21:40 < NotACow> and north dakooota
2008-02-05 21:41 < SWATJester> and idaho
2008-02-05 21:42 < SWATJester> heh. on cnn's main page the first 5 entries are all obama, but the second 5 it's 4/5 clinton
2008-02-05 21:42 < Gracenotes> hm? :<
2008-02-05 21:42 < NotACow> SWATJester: CNN favors Clinton
2008-02-05 21:42 < Gracenotes> ChanServ doesn't like me >.>
2008-02-05 21:42 < Mark_Ryan> sorry, accident
2008-02-05 21:42 < SWATJester> and then the 3rd and 4th are evenly split
2008-02-05 21:42 < Gracenotes> quite okay
2008-02-05 21:43 < SWATJester> and the rest is empty
2008-02-05 21:43 < Mark_Ryan> you popped up at the wrong time, as I was trying to deop myself :D
2008-02-05 21:44 < Mark_Ryan> omg CNN is projecting Hillary Clinton will win the Presidency
2008-02-05 21:44 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan America isnt ready for a female president
2008-02-05 21:44 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan America isnt ready for a black president
2008-02-05 21:44 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan America isnt ready for a bald president
2008-02-05 21:45 < Mark_Ryan> White_Cat: what this country needs is new leadership
2008-02-05 21:45 < White_Cat> so Obama, Hilary, and McCain is out of the picture
2008-02-05 21:45 < SWATJester> Mark_Ryan: which country is that?
2008-02-05 21:45 < Messedrocker> master chief for president!
2008-02-05 21:45 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan I have an idea
2008-02-05 21:45 < Messedrocker> he is a war hero, isn't he?
2008-02-05 21:45 < Mark_Ryan> SWATJester: [insert your country here]
2008-02-05 21:45 < SWATJester> Mark_Ryan: ah
2008-02-05 21:45 < Fire> hi mrk
2008-02-05 21:46 < Mark_Ryan> hi Fire :) long time no speak
2008-02-05 21:46 < SWATJester> Kenya for president.
2008-02-05 21:46 < Fire> yeah
2008-02-05 21:46 < Fire> how r u
2008-02-05 21:46 < Fire> ?
2008-02-05 21:46 < Mark_Ryan> I'm all right. How are you? How's life in Sunny Germany?
2008-02-05 21:46 < SWATJester> we can fight it out instead of wasting time and money on an election
2008-02-05 21:46 < NotAYert> clinton wins MA
2008-02-05 21:46 < TheWeasel> Wouldn't have believed that
2008-02-05 21:46 < Messedrocker> samus aran for president! you wouldn't figure out she's a woman unless she leaves office in under 3 hours
2008-02-05 21:46 < Cyrius> hah
2008-02-05 21:47 < Omtay38> Question: does anybody know if there is a way to display the date a page was created with magic words, ParserFuctions, a template or something else?
2008-02-05 21:47 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan
2008-02-05 21:47 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_presidential_election%2C_2008#Putting_republicans_and_democrats_side_by_side
2008-02-05 21:47 < White_Cat> Nominate my cat as a republican and democrat candidate!
2008-02-05 21:48 < Mark_Ryan> Omtay38: you might find more help in #mediawiki, where the developers hang out
2008-02-05 21:48 < Omtay38> kool-i-o, thanks
2008-02-05 21:48 < White_Cat> Mark_Ryan I doubt our devs can fix the US system
2008-02-05 21:49 < TheWeasel> Hehe, Mitt Romney, the candidate that anyone can edit
2008-02-05 21:49 < NotAYert> omg
2008-02-05 21:49 < NotAYert> clinton wins NJ
2008-02-05 21:49 * White_Cat thinks Mitt needs a face hug
2008-02-05 21:49 < TheWeasel> Clinton wins the day, unless Obie carries California.
2008-02-05 21:50 < NotAYert> the clinton people are going crazy
2008-02-05 21:50 < Mark_Ryan> what number of delegates are the states worth?
2008-02-05 21:50 < TheWeasel> CT is still fierce I think
2008-02-05 21:50 < TheWeasel> allotted by population
2008-02-05 21:50 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: You're going to fashion jail
2008-02-05 21:50 < Mike_H> for improper use of "fierce"
2008-02-05 21:51 < TheWeasel> heh.
2008-02-05 21:51 < TheWeasel> like Scientology
2008-02-05 21:51 < Mark_Ryan> TheWeasel: by population? or by the number of people who voted for the democrats in the last election?
2008-02-05 21:51 < TheWeasel> USE OF "FIERCE" IS A TRADE SECRET, YOU SUPPRESSOR
2008-02-05 21:51 < TheWeasel> I think mostly population
2008-02-05 21:52 < NotAYert> A sea for hillary signs.
2008-02-05 21:53 < TheWeasel> the only sensible alternative
2008-02-05 21:53 < TheWeasel> is to sort for competitiveness first and population second
2008-02-05 21:53 < TheWeasel> as in the closest states last time get the most delegates
2008-02-05 21:53 < Mark_Ryan> all eyes in America are on North Dakota, the most pivotal state in the union
2008-02-05 21:53 < NotAYert> :O
2008-02-05 21:53 < NotAYert> They dont even register voters.
2008-02-05 21:54 < Messedrocker> Dr. Right for President!
2008-02-05 21:54 < TheWeasel> ND should be Hillary country. But then I've been wrong on Kansas.
2008-02-05 21:54 < SWATJester> Oh god
2008-02-05 21:54 < NotAYert> The Kennedys cant even stop hillary.
2008-02-05 21:54 < TheWeasel> they have very traditional, socially conservative, social democratic people there
2008-02-05 21:55 < SWATJester> I'd love to see hillary on Top Model
2008-02-05 21:55 < Messedrocker> HAHAHAHAHAH
2008-02-05 21:55 < SWATJester> I'd love to see her argue with Miss J
2008-02-05 21:55 < TheWeasel> what are they chanting?
2008-02-05 21:55 < Mark_Ryan> Fire: where have you been? why have you been inactive for so long?
2008-02-05 21:56 < NotAYert> TheWeasel: O ba ma
2008-02-05 21:56 < TheWeasel> Ida Ho is a Chinese-American state
2008-02-05 21:56 < Fire> Mark_Ryan: I feared u
2008-02-05 21:56 < Fire> hahaha
2008-02-05 21:56 < Mark_Ryan> :)
2008-02-05 21:58 < TheWeasel> We can now project that Mike Huckabee has won Alberta, Bavaria and West Sussex.
2008-02-05 21:59 < NotAYert> more predictions coming up
2008-02-05 21:59 < SWATJester> Mike Huckabee has won jesus
2008-02-05 22:00 < Mark_Ryan> who do you think will win California?
2008-02-05 22:00 < NotAYert> romney wins utah
2008-02-05 22:00 < Messedrocker> no shit
2008-02-05 22:00 < TheWeasel> Oh, I was wrong
2008-02-05 22:00 < TheWeasel> I wasn't aware Utah was up
2008-02-05 22:00 < SWATJester> Alert: Huckabee predicted to win Heaven, with 50% of precincts reporting.
2008-02-05 22:00 < TheWeasel> Mitt Romney won the Olympics?
2008-02-05 22:01 < Messedrocker> mother brain won SR388
2008-02-05 22:01 < TheWeasel> Ron Paul is polling strongly in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
2008-02-05 22:01 < Messedrocker> zebes is too close to call
2008-02-05 22:01 < The359> Huckabee takes Dagobah
2008-02-05 22:02 < Cyrius> TheWeasel: was that a joke on Romney's involvement in the salt lake city olympics?
2008-02-05 22:02 < TheWeasel> Edwards has won the Leningrad Oblast.
2008-02-05 22:02 < gwern> Obama won Endor with a promise to change the Imperial regime
2008-02-05 22:02 < Messedrocker> DragonflySixtyseven wins WP:CHEM
2008-02-05 22:02 < Cyrius> I thought Endor didn't have an electorate after the holocaust
2008-02-05 22:03 < Messedrocker> Betacommand wins WP:BAG
2008-02-05 22:04 < gwern> Cyrius: oh, everyone knows the Alliance did something to prevent the Endorian Holocaust
2008-02-05 22:04 < TheWeasel> Kucinich wins in Amsterdam Central.
2008-02-05 22:04 < Cyrius> suuure
2008-02-05 22:04 < gwern> 'n one of the Star Wars Tales comics,[1] an Imperial veteran of Endor makes a reference to the theory that the moon was devastated by the impact of falling debris. Another character dismisses it as a myth, saying that most of the Death Star's mass was obliterated in the explosion, and that the Rebels "took care of the rest." Inside the Worlds of Star Wars Trilogy describes how the Rebels managed to use shields and tractor beams to protect their ...
2008-02-05 22:04 < NotAYert> mccains wins OK
2008-02-05 22:04 < TheWeasel> McKlahoma
2008-02-05 22:04 < gwern> ... strike team on the moon of Endor.'
2008-02-05 22:04 < gwern> wow. I can't believe the entire Endorian Holocaust article was reduced to 3 or 4 sentences
2008-02-05 22:05 < Mark_Ryan> Obama's winning Colorado?
2008-02-05 22:05 < Messedrocker> king koopa wins world 8-4
2008-02-05 22:05 < Mark_Ryan> omg
2008-02-05 22:05 < Cyrius> their strike team, sure, but what about the rest of the moon?
2008-02-05 22:05 < Mark_Ryan> NotAYert: there's nothing OK about mccain winning.
2008-02-05 22:06 < TheWeasel> Andras Adorjan has written the Black Is OK series
2008-02-05 22:06 < NotAYert> more
2008-02-05 22:06 < NotAYert> ew
2008-02-05 22:06 < TheWeasel> I wonder if the reverse is also true
2008-02-05 22:06 < gwern> Cyrius: well, they would initially only reaally need to handle the line of sight to the death star, and they could handle the rest later or just ignore it. the gas giant Endor itself would suck away quite a bit I suspect
2008-02-05 22:06 < NotAYert> north dakota to obama
2008-02-05 22:06 < gwern> remember, endor is the planet, not the moon
2008-02-05 22:06 < Cyrius> gwern: that would depend on the trajectory of the death star at the time of destruction
2008-02-05 22:07 < Mark_Ryan> I hear they're going to disallow all of the votes from New York due to a dispute in the democratic party. it should be in the wires in a few minutes.
2008-02-05 22:07 < kenlyric> but why didn't they just blow up the planet to blow up the moon?!??!?!!?!?!?!
2008-02-05 22:07 < kenlyric> oh, sorry, episode 4 flashbacks
2008-02-05 22:07 < TheWeasel> I always thought the existence of North Dakota was some kind of urban legend
2008-02-05 22:07 < Messedrocker> Mark_Ryan, I SHOUT ELECTORAL FRAUD!!!
2008-02-05 22:07 < Cyrius> kenlyric: wrong planet =)
2008-02-05 22:07 < Messedrocker> TheWeasel, my dad has lived in North Dakota. He can testify to its existence
2008-02-05 22:07 < TheWeasel> Oh, fair.
2008-02-05 22:07 < kenlyric> I don't believe anecdotal evidence
2008-02-05 22:07 < Mark_Ryan> Messedrocker: one man's fraud is another man's Legitimate Electoral Strategy
2008-02-05 22:07 < Cyrius> but yeah, if you've got something that can blow up planets, why wait?
2008-02-05 22:08 < Mask> Mark_Ryan, are you serious?
2008-02-05 22:08 < Messedrocker> Mark_Ryan, which is why Bush *LEGITIMATELY* won the 2000 and 2004 elections
2008-02-05 22:08 < TheWeasel> Inventing states?
2008-02-05 22:08 < NotAYert> Ew. Hukabees wife is disgusting.
2008-02-05 22:08 < Mark_Ryan> Mask: no, not really.
2008-02-05 22:08 < TheWeasel> oh, bible references
2008-02-05 22:08 < Mark_Ryan> Messedrocker: It would be out of place for me to accuse the current US president of being a fraudster
2008-02-05 22:08 < Mask> oh, man, i had already fired up cnn and was salivating over the bricks everyone was going to shit
2008-02-05 22:09 < TheWeasel> it's like Angela Merkel winning the state of South Bavaria and the White Wurst Equator.
2008-02-05 22:09 < kenlyric> why you?
2008-02-05 22:09 < Mark_Ryan> :D
2008-02-05 22:09 < kenlyric> not out of place for me
2008-02-05 22:09 < kenlyric> he's a fucking criminal
2008-02-05 22:09 < TheWeasel> I stridently dispute the existence of North Dakota.
2008-02-05 22:09 < Mark_Ryan> I'm sure he's a very well-meaning, sweet-natured man
2008-02-05 22:09 < Krimpet> bush certainly legitimately won the 2004 election. a testament to the intelligence of our electorate. :)
2008-02-05 22:09 < TheWeasel> so teach the controversy already
2008-02-05 22:09 < kenlyric> electoral fraud is one of his *white color* crimes, and can be safely ignored
2008-02-05 22:09 * Mike_H NP: Badfinger - Day After Day (1972)
2008-02-05 22:10 < TheWeasel> Color?
2008-02-05 22:10 < Mark_Ryan> collar.
2008-02-05 22:10 < Mask> collar. white collar crime, not color
2008-02-05 22:10 < gwern> Mark_Ryan: disallow all votes? oh you kidder
2008-02-05 22:10 < kenlyric> collar
2008-02-05 22:10 < kenlyric> i type gud
2008-02-05 22:10 < TheWeasel> I wonder if there's a white color crime
2008-02-05 22:10 < TheWeasel> Except maybe country pop.
2008-02-05 22:10 < Mark_Ryan> gwern: I know, I know. it's not the primaries that the NYC votes will be disallowed in ;) think bigger.
2008-02-05 22:10 < kenlyric> that was tom sawyer
2008-02-05 22:10 < kenlyric> white color crime
2008-02-05 22:11 < TheWeasel> Lynching, yea
2008-02-05 22:11 < gwern> Mark_Ryan: mm. Too obvious. fraud and legal chicanery has proven much more effective in swing states
2008-02-05 22:11 < kenlyric> I meant fence whitewashing.
2008-02-05 22:11 < Mask> blue collar crime and white collar crime get their name from work shirts used by executives and high ranking company offiers, traditionally white, and the generic use of blue collar for everyone else, presmably not in suts
2008-02-05 22:11 < gwern> everyone will be suspicious if new york votes rethuglican
2008-02-05 22:11 < TheWeasel> I wonder why America doesn't manage a quiet electoral process like about all countries in Europe
2008-02-05 22:11 < Mark_Ryan> gwern: not if it's obama who wins the nomination. they'll be angry it's not hillary
2008-02-05 22:12 < TheWeasel> Hillary has a far better reputation here than in the US
2008-02-05 22:12 < gwern> Mark_Ryan: you really think people would vote for mccain/huckabee/romney over hillary?
2008-02-05 22:12 < Mark_Ryan> gwern: over obama, I'm saying. and I'm not really serious
2008-02-05 22:12 < kenlyric> people voted for GWB in 2004
2008-02-05 22:12 < kenlyric> enough said
2008-02-05 22:12 < Messedrocker> a vote for huckabee is a vote for anti-semitism!
2008-02-05 22:12 < Messedrocker> !!
2008-02-05 22:13 < TheWeasel> Huckabee doesn't have the Edwardsian Southern accent
2008-02-05 22:14 < Krimpet> personally I'm ambivalent towards McCain. he was a much better guy prior to the last few years when he started pandering to the Bushies
2008-02-05 22:14 < TheWeasel> Well
2008-02-05 22:14 < gwern> I'm pretty clear on McCain. he's a corrupt neocon who trades on his torturing and the american flag
2008-02-05 22:14 < TheWeasel> To give a perspective, when he died, Barry Goldwater was well on the left of the Republican Party
2008-02-05 22:14 < TheWeasel> in 1964, he was considered a dangerous extremist.
2008-02-05 22:15 < TheWeasel> that's how far the American center has shifted.
2008-02-05 22:15 < kenlyric> i blame soccer moms
2008-02-05 22:15 < gwern> TheWeasel: I don't follow - the center has shifted left or right?
2008-02-05 22:15 < TheWeasel> Right.
2008-02-05 22:15 < TheWeasel> Massively.
2008-02-05 22:16 < gwern> ok. I agree, I'm just not that familiar with Goldwater
2008-02-05 22:16 < Messedrocker> http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8378/specterwg9.png
2008-02-05 22:16 < TheWeasel> He's a libertarian-leaning guy who wasn't concerned with church but was concerned with nuking the Soviets.
2008-02-05 22:18 < TheWeasel> he actually got called a liberal toward the end of his life.
2008-02-05 22:18 < TheWeasel> and considered a raving fringe looney in 1964.
2008-02-05 22:18 < Mask> libertarian would preclude nuking the soviets. he wa just a nutjob
2008-02-05 22:18 < TheWeasel> and with the exact same political beliefs.
2008-02-05 22:19 < kenlyric> reagen is responsible. Nobody else ever made the nanny state so appealing.
2008-02-05 22:19 < TheWeasel> No it wouldn't. There are non-isolationist libertarians
2008-02-05 22:19 < CTho> are there any real differneces between cc-by-sa 2.5 and 3.0?
2008-02-05 22:19 < TheWeasel> that's just Ron Paul.
2008-02-05 22:19 < Mask> non isolationist is different, libertarian beliefs dont really jive with denying millions of people the right to live
2008-02-05 22:20 < Mask> im a registerred Libertarian. even go to party meetings now and then
2008-02-05 22:20 < Mask> war yes, in cases, nuking that kills civilians, n
2008-02-05 22:20 < Mask> o
2008-02-05 22:20 < TheWeasel> Well, I mean this in the sense of "don't touch the economy, be unconcerned with people's bedrooms"
2008-02-05 22:20 < TheWeasel> that was my definition
2008-02-05 22:21 < gwern> CTho: of course, but I believe the distinctions have to do with localizations and handling of moral rights
2008-02-05 22:21 < TheWeasel> YAY
2008-02-05 22:21 < Mask> economic libertarian, theres a bunch in the republican party :) we just need to teach the not to fuck with people as well as businesses and we'd be more then a third party :)
2008-02-05 22:21 < CTho> gwern: is there anything about not using it to insult the author of the work?
2008-02-05 22:21 < TheWeasel> Bama wins CT
2008-02-05 22:22 < CTho> gwern: i think i remember something about 3.0 bothering me, but can't figure out what it was :(
2008-02-05 22:22 * TheWeasel is fairly staunchly economically non-libertarian for American standards
2008-02-05 22:22 < gwern> CTho: I have no idea. it was something like 'if you're in a jurisdiction with moral rights, you won't use them against licensees or sub-licensess' or something weird like that
2008-02-05 22:27 < TheWeasel> Wow, crazy footage from Nashville
2008-02-05 22:27 < bumm13> hiya Mask
2008-02-05 22:28 < bumm13> howdy Weasel
2008-02-05 22:28 < Mask> hiyas
2008-02-05 22:28 < TheWeasel> alright
2008-02-05 22:28 < bumm13> Mask: are you still in Virginia?
2008-02-05 22:28 < Mask> i was in kentucky for six months, as of yesterday ive moved to san francisco
2008-02-05 22:29 < ancjr> ky is a messed up state
2008-02-05 22:29 < Mask> oh, so true, so fucking true
2008-02-05 22:29 < Messedrocker> ky sex jelly
2008-02-05 22:29 < bumm13> ah, San Francisco
2008-02-05 22:29 * ancjr lives just across the border in indiana
2008-02-05 22:29 * ancjr knows all too well
2008-02-05 22:30 < bumm13> SF is an expensive place to live :x
2008-02-05 22:30 < TheWeasel> Bamy for Huck
2008-02-05 22:30 < TheWeasel> Romney is pwned quite comprehensively.
2008-02-05 22:31 < gwern> indeed. if only he'd lost masschusets though
2008-02-05 22:31 < gwern> that would've been delicious
2008-02-05 22:31 < kenlyric> ky is much worse than in
2008-02-05 22:31 < TheWeasel> MN for Obie
2008-02-05 22:31 < kenlyric> and wv is much worse than ky
2008-02-05 22:33 < ElbridgeGerry> Obama wins Minnesota
2008-02-05 22:34 < bumm13> now we know that twice! :)
2008-02-05 22:35 < ElbridgeGerry> current delegate count: Clinton 299/Obama 219/Gravel 0; McCain 332/Romney 135/Huckabee 54/Paul 6
2008-02-05 22:35 < Gracenotes> according to CNN, right?
2008-02-05 22:36 < TheWeasel> Romney keeps selling the "greatest nation this planet has ever seen" thing
2008-02-05 22:36 < bumm13> bleh
2008-02-05 22:36 < Not_the_NSA> TheWeasel: the greatest nation is the peaceful one running entirely on renewable resources that do not cause global warming and not using any CFC'S that deplete the ozone
2008-02-05 22:37 < Not_the_NSA> O.o
2008-02-05 22:37 < Not_the_NSA> though global warming is unrelated to ozone depletion
2008-02-05 22:37 < Mask> bumm13, no way is sf expensive, at least not compared to juneau. plus i have rediculously hot roommates, so im all sorts of happy
2008-02-05 22:37 < Not_the_NSA> and we have made it a lot better than it apparently used to be
2008-02-05 22:37 < TheWeasel> the foreigner hating sure gets a lot of applause.
2008-02-05 22:37 < Not_the_NSA> Mask: alaska to san fran? cold to hot O.op
2008-02-05 22:37 < Not_the_NSA> O.o** /me wonders how that goes
2008-02-05 22:37 < NotAYert> Mitt is scary!
2008-02-05 22:38 < ElbridgeGerry> TheWeasel: Watching Romney?
2008-02-05 22:38 < Gracenotes> NotAYert: you're watching CSPAN?
2008-02-05 22:38 < ElbridgeGerry> TheWeasel: He's almost like a cartoonish businessman villian
2008-02-05 22:38 < NotAYert> Gracenotes: CNN
2008-02-05 22:38 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-02-05 22:38 < Gracenotes> ah, must be broadcasting the same thing
2008-02-05 22:38 < bumm13> Mask: haha
2008-02-05 22:38 < Gracenotes> "Mitt! Mitt! Mitt! Mitt! Mitt! Mitt!"
2008-02-05 22:38 < bumm13> I suppose Juneau is expensive
2008-02-05 22:38 < NotAYert> Go to Arbys!
2008-02-05 22:38 < ElbridgeGerry> "B.....B! B.....B! B.....B!"
2008-02-05 22:39 < Mask> I grew up in san francisoc, spent 7 years in alaska, year at college in oregon, another year in alaska, a brief stop in virginia before mving out to kentucky for a girl, who was also rather hot, but not hot enough that i could put up with kentucky for her
2008-02-05 22:39 < Gracenotes> he promises us security! woot!
2008-02-05 22:39 < TheWeasel> "they haven't"
2008-02-05 22:39 < TheWeasel> his shtick
2008-02-05 22:39 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-05 22:39 < NotAYert> they havent?
2008-02-05 22:39 < bumm13> oh, I didn't know you grew up in The City
2008-02-05 22:39 < TheWeasel> "they haven't" is his standard stump speech
2008-02-05 22:39 < Gracenotes> oh my God
2008-02-05 22:39 < ElbridgeGerry> STFU romney, you're a career politician
2008-02-05 22:39 < Y_Ichiro> hello
2008-02-05 22:39 < Gracenotes> CSPAN online lags a couple of seconds, understandably
2008-02-05 22:39 < Mask> hell yes, spent eight years in san francisco as a kid
2008-02-05 22:40 < kenlyric> Politics is a really bad place for a career politician
2008-02-05 22:40 < Gracenotes> they haven't, lol.
2008-02-05 22:40 < NotAYert> There is something eriee about him
2008-02-05 22:40 < kenlyric> and, as opposed to other candidates who are absolutely not career politicians
2008-02-05 22:40 * bumm13 suspects that Utah may go with Romney
2008-02-05 22:40 < Gracenotes> he's like a Pied Piper, ffs...
2008-02-05 22:40 < NotAYert> bumm13: It did like an hour ago.
2008-02-05 22:40 < ElbridgeGerry> "The world depends upon our sacrifice" scary
2008-02-05 22:40 < TheWeasel> it hath
2008-02-05 22:40 < ElbridgeGerry> bumm13: Already did
2008-02-05 22:40 < ElbridgeGerry> bumm13: As goes Utah, so go the mormons
2008-02-05 22:41 < NotAYert> cnn projects mccain airzona
2008-02-05 22:41 < ElbridgeGerry> JUST IN: McCain wins Arizona
2008-02-05 22:41 < NotAYert> wow, thats a shocker.
2008-02-05 22:41 < bumm13> Mask: I have family on the periphery of the Bay Area, but I've actually only been to San Francisco a few times
2008-02-05 22:41 < bumm13> shocker!
2008-02-05 22:41 < bumm13> :P
2008-02-05 22:41 < Gracenotes> dear Lord, she freaks me out...
2008-02-05 22:42 < Mask> bumm13, if you come out, hit me up, we'll have a beer. 757 390 8202
2008-02-05 22:42 < NotAYert> Blitzer says it would have been an embarrassment if he had not won
2008-02-05 22:42 * Krimpet pictures McCain waving The Shocker to a cheering crowd
2008-02-05 22:42 < ElbridgeGerry> McCain now leading 383 over Romney's 135
2008-02-05 22:42 < NotAYert> lol
2008-02-05 22:42 < OverlordQ> meh, yes unfortunately mccain is leading :-/
2008-02-05 22:42 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-05 22:43 < Gracenotes> McCain isn't too bad..
2008-02-05 22:43 < bumm13> I first visited San Francisco (post-infant) in 1987
2008-02-05 22:43 * NotAYert thinks PA's primary may actually count this year
2008-02-05 22:43 < bumm13> I did not return until 2006 :x
2008-02-05 22:43 < OverlordQ> eh, he's a rino
2008-02-05 22:43 < ElbridgeGerry> California polls close in 17 mintes
2008-02-05 22:43 < ElbridgeGerry> *minutes
2008-02-05 22:43 < Gracenotes> OverlordQ: so?
2008-02-05 22:43 * Mask wonders how long till brant posts my phone number to all his guys
2008-02-05 22:43 < bumm13> I wouldn't worry about that
2008-02-05 22:44 < Krimpet> I think of the Republican primaries in terms of "who would I not mind that much"
2008-02-05 22:44 < ElbridgeGerry> if you are in california, and you didn't vote, YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES
2008-02-05 22:44 < Gracenotes> OverlordQ: maybe Huckabee will run as independent, splitting the R. base and making the Dem president :)
2008-02-05 22:44 < Krimpet> and kinda cross my fingers that they win the primary
2008-02-05 22:44 < ElbridgeGerry> Gracenotes: I can invision Paul doing the same
2008-02-05 22:44 < ElbridgeGerry> *envision
2008-02-05 22:44 < Gracenotes> heh, me too
2008-02-05 22:44 < Mask> bumm13, im not worried, im just curious :) some got to seatac to yell at me and hold signs a year or so ago
2008-02-05 22:44 * The359 sends his vote by nightvision/GPS carrier pigeon
2008-02-05 22:44 < Gracenotes> McCain admittedly doesn't have too much of a base
2008-02-05 22:45 < bumm13> lol wtf?
2008-02-05 22:45 < Gracenotes> not that I've noticed, anyway :(
2008-02-05 22:45 * NotAYert thinks CNN should call Missouri for Clinton
2008-02-05 22:45 < bumm13> Mask: my dad was living in the east bay area from 2002-2006
2008-02-05 22:45 < bumm13> (east of Oakland :P )
2008-02-05 22:46 * NotAYert predicts CNN will predict after the break
2008-02-05 22:46 < Omtay38> could somebody take a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Omtay38/ArchiveBox
2008-02-05 22:46 < Mask> bumm13, no joke, i was flying to see my parents from alaska, switching planes at seatac with a three hour layover, there were four guys at seatac yelling at me holding 'wiki is reality' signs. i eventually went back through security an just didnt manned up about not being able to smoke in there
2008-02-05 22:47 < ElbridgeGerry> Mississippi's official state motto: "Come to our state so you feel better about yours"
2008-02-05 22:47 < Pumpmeup> Omtay: It's a tricky question - try asking around on #wikipedia for help (more people there)
2008-02-05 22:47 < The359> Why would they assume you'd leave security?
2008-02-05 22:47 < The359> and how would they know where your flight was?
2008-02-05 22:48 < The359> Let alone any information on your travel?
2008-02-05 22:48 < Omtay38> Pumpmeup: isn't this #wikipedia 9.9
2008-02-05 22:48 * The359 notices that Atlanta's airport has sealed smoking rooms in the terminals
2008-02-05 22:48 < Mask> The359, because i talked about it in here
2008-02-05 22:49 < The359> your flight number and everything?
2008-02-05 22:49 < Mask> and mentioned my smoking spot ironically, about how i always end up in that one place
2008-02-05 22:49 < Pumpmeup> oh crap - I thought I was still in #wikipedia-en-help lol :-P
2008-02-05 22:49 < The359> and people say Wikipedians have no lives...
2008-02-05 22:49 < Omtay38> :-D
2008-02-05 22:50 < NotAYert> hillary is talking
2008-02-05 22:50 < The359> yap yap yap yap
2008-02-05 22:51 < Gracenotes> CSPAN is so much more exciting.
2008-02-05 22:51 < Gracenotes> okay, she just started speaking now, in the online stream
2008-02-05 22:51 < Gracenotes> anyone have any idea how bad the lag is?
2008-02-05 23:02 < TheWeasel> oh damnit
2008-02-05 23:03 < Gracenotes> hm?
2008-02-05 23:03 < TheWeasel> North Dakota, that'll turn things around
2008-02-05 23:03 < Gracenotes> for whom?
2008-02-05 23:03 < TheWeasel> Romney
2008-02-05 23:04 < Gracenotes> hm
2008-02-05 23:05 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-05 23:05 < TheWeasel> Huckabee is losing grip in MO
2008-02-05 23:05 < The359> What grip?
2008-02-05 23:05 < TheWeasel> he was leading until a bit ago
2008-02-05 23:06 * The359 was speaking mentally
2008-02-05 23:08 < The359> hmmm
2008-02-05 23:08 < The359> Apparently some voting places handed out electronic styluses to people to fill out their ballots
2008-02-05 23:09 < The359> Problem is, the ballots were paper
2008-02-05 23:09 < The359> Second problem, telling the people they were in fact invisible ink pens
2008-02-05 23:10 < Pumpmeup> pretty gnarly lag today
2008-02-05 23:11 < The359> http://photos-974.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v192/193/115/36003974/n36003974_30843572_8189.jpg ROFL
2008-02-05 23:12 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-05 23:12 < cimon> oom
2008-02-05 23:13 < TheWeasel> Rhymney wins Minnesota too.
2008-02-05 23:13 < TheWeasel> I was wrong.
2008-02-05 23:13 < bumm13> heh, Rhymney
2008-02-05 23:13 < TheWeasel> The Bells And Whistles Of Romney
2008-02-05 23:14 < cimon> so the evangelist lives to tell the good news another day...?
2008-02-05 23:14 < TheWeasel> oh, Bernstein.
2008-02-05 23:14 < cimon> is huckabee getting a lifeline, or steroids?
2008-02-05 23:15 < TheWeasel> That's like a satirical headline well known in Germany
2008-02-05 23:15 < TheWeasel> "Re-unification invalid - Kohl was doped!"
2008-02-05 23:15 < Mark_Ryan> OMG Clinton is winning in California
2008-02-05 23:16 * The359 is winning in bed
2008-02-05 23:16 < Mark_Ryan> you're having a competition in bed? sounds kinky
2008-02-05 23:17 * bumm13 NP: Monocles - Spider & the Fly (1967)
2008-02-05 23:17 < TheWeasel> heh, a Stones cover
2008-02-05 23:17 < TheWeasel> which probably was another cover
2008-02-05 23:17 < bumm13> seriously?
2008-02-05 23:17 < TheWeasel> Wow, Hillary is doing well
2008-02-05 23:18 < TheWeasel> the Stones played that
2008-02-05 23:18 < bumm13> TheWeasel: this version is a different song
2008-02-05 23:18 < TheWeasel> oh, right
2008-02-05 23:18 < cimon> TheWeasel: Bernsteinian socialism has lots to reccommend itself...
2008-02-05 23:18 < cimon> TheWeasel: [[Edouard Bernstein]]
2008-02-05 23:19 < bumm13> this particular song is the epitome of *psycho*-delia ;)
2008-02-05 23:19 < bumm13> (60s garage-psych tune)
2008-02-05 23:19 < The359> http://img.consumating.com/photos/32288/large/211678.jpg Russia is ruled by a hunk?
2008-02-05 23:20 * bumm13 NP: Lea Riders Group - Dom Kallar Oss Mods (1968)
2008-02-05 23:20 < TheWeasel> They count the rural counties first
2008-02-05 23:20 < TheWeasel> Obama will do better as we progress
2008-02-05 23:20 < Mark_Ryan> TheWeasel: isn't it more that the rural counties just take less time to count?
2008-02-05 23:20 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-02-05 23:20 < bumm13> ("We are the misfits")
2008-02-05 23:21 < TheWeasel> Well yes, I meant those projections take into account the rural vote first.
2008-02-05 23:22 < Mark_Ryan> so do you think the night will pretty much be a dead heat?
2008-02-05 23:25 < NotACow> Mark_Ryan: typically rural communities count faster because there are fewer votes to count :)
2008-02-05 23:26 < NotACow> Mark_Ryan: on the other hand, they have poorer communication and so it may take longer for thei count to get reported in
2008-02-05 23:26 < Mark_Ryan> NotACow: still using the telegraph out west?
2008-02-05 23:26 < NotACow> Mark_Ryan: hell, they still run the votes on horseback in wyoming, or so i'm told :)
2008-02-05 23:28 < Mark_Ryan> heh :)
2008-02-05 23:29 < TheWeasel> Huck wins GA!!
2008-02-05 23:30 < TheWeasel> Bad news for Rhymney
2008-02-05 23:35 < zocky> good morning
2008-02-05 23:35 < zocky> so, is billary winning?
2008-02-05 23:36 < Mark_Ryan> 7% reporting in California and Clinton is still up about 20% on Obama
2008-02-05 23:36 < Mark_Ryan> hi zocky :)
2008-02-05 23:37 < zocky> zomg, and we have Ronald the Conqueror of the Evil Empire on front page
2008-02-05 23:37 < zocky> hi Mark_Ryan
2008-02-05 23:38 < The359> REAGAN SMASH
2008-02-05 23:39 < Nihiltres> .banner_ad {display:none !important;}
2008-02-05 23:40 < TheWeasel> he's not stump-speeching
2008-02-05 23:40 < TheWeasel> that's fairly nice
2008-02-05 23:41 < zocky> <<He died ten years later at the age of ninety-three, and ranks highly among former U.S. presidents in terms of approval rating.>>
2008-02-05 23:41 < zocky> that sounds like a lot of people approved when he died
2008-02-05 23:43 < The359> but we do
2008-02-05 23:43 < Mark_Ryan> there's this damn ad on the right hand side of the election coverage of CNN that is irritating me
2008-02-05 23:43 < Mark_Ryan> the same photo of two boys in a rickshaw goes past ever 6 seconds. can't they rotate their ads or something?
2008-02-05 23:44 < TheWeasel> Then you have HD
2008-02-05 23:44 < Mark_Ryan> no, on the web site, i mean
2008-02-05 23:44 < Mark_Ryan> I'm not interested enough to watch coverage of the results.
2008-02-05 23:44 < zocky> lots of people couldn't stand reagan. I couldn't stand reagan. but there was no impulse to go out and celebrate when he died, the way many people in UK have champagnes on ice waiting for maggie to go.
2008-02-05 23:44 < ggreer> haha
2008-02-05 23:45 < ggreer> I guess when people die of terrible diseases it's not ok to celebrate
2008-02-05 23:45 < zocky> ggreer, I don't think it'll matter what milk snatcher dies of
2008-02-05 23:45 < ggreer> man, obama is a really good speaker
2008-02-05 23:46 < TheWeasel> he is trying for MLK's modulation
2008-02-05 23:46 < TheWeasel> Cha-a-a-nge
2008-02-05 23:46 < bumm13> how silly
2008-02-05 23:47 < zocky> I have a dream!
2008-02-05 23:47 < zocky> oh wait, that was ABBA.
2008-02-05 23:47 < TheWeasel> they chant U-S-A!
2008-02-05 23:47 * gwern notes that Obama nomiation futures are selling for only 40cents/40% on the IEM. this seems mispriced to me
2008-02-05 23:47 < ggreer> TheWeasel: mccain has the best crowd chant
2008-02-05 23:47 < ggreer> MAC IS BACK
2008-02-05 23:47 < ggreer> it sounds like HACKEY SACK
2008-02-05 23:47 < TheWeasel> lol
2008-02-05 23:47 < bumm13> Obama is reeks highly of rhetoric
2008-02-05 23:47 < TheWeasel> I noted that last time
2008-02-05 23:47 < ggreer> bumm13: well yeah, he's a politician
2008-02-05 23:48 < bumm13> perhaps more than usual
2008-02-05 23:48 < TheWeasel> "the voices echoed from the hills of NH to the deserts of NV"
2008-02-05 23:48 < TheWeasel> Sounds familiar?
2008-02-05 23:48 < bumm13> Nevada!
2008-02-05 23:48 < gwern> goodness, the price just jumped to .42
2008-02-05 23:48 < gwern> the market must be pricing in today's polls
2008-02-05 23:48 < ggreer> if you even read obama's book, you'll realize that he's crazy
2008-02-05 23:48 < ggreer> he actually thinks he can change politics in the US
2008-02-05 23:48 < gwern> imagine that
2008-02-05 23:48 < bumm13> yay idealism
2008-02-05 23:48 < ggreer> yeah
2008-02-05 23:48 < Mark_Ryan> he must think that if he wins, he'll be running the country
2008-02-05 23:49 < Mark_Ryan> he obviously hasn't seen The X Files
2008-02-05 23:49 < bumm13> whoever wins this election will inherit Dubya's mess
2008-02-05 23:49 < bumm13> you almost have to be desperate to want it that badly ;p
2008-02-05 23:50 < ggreer> also obama is the only candidate with a technology policy section on his website
2008-02-05 23:50 < gwern> or wanting a place in history
2008-02-05 23:50 < zocky> you know, if you people lived on another planet, or at least didn't have nukes, the rest of us would gladly ignore all of this
2008-02-05 23:50 < ggreer> haha
2008-02-05 23:50 < ggreer> so true
2008-02-05 23:51 < bumm13> Clinton is just a different flavor of a big government politician
2008-02-05 23:51 < bumm13> zocky: don't think that I wouldn't :P
2008-02-05 23:51 < gwern> zocky: you people? is that some sort of racial slur?
2008-02-05 23:51 < ggreer> I like how obama never outright attacks his competitors, he just mentions things that remind you of their mistakes
2008-02-05 23:51 < ggreer> he's really good at that sort of high-brow smearing
2008-02-05 23:52 < bumm13> Obama plays the charisma/"please like me" card a lot
2008-02-05 23:52 < zocky> gwern, calling people people is a slur?
2008-02-05 23:52 < gwern> better than low-brow smearing
2008-02-05 23:52 < ggreer> gwern: indeed
2008-02-05 23:52 < ggreer> also he actually helps write his own speeches
2008-02-05 23:52 < ggreer> which is crazy
2008-02-05 23:52 < bumm13> yeah
2008-02-05 23:52 < bumm13> he's no dummy
2008-02-05 23:53 < gwern> on the other hand, neither were carter or wilson
2008-02-05 23:53 < ggreer> he's so good at getting people to like him, I wonder if he'll be a demagogue and make himself president for life or something cool like that
2008-02-05 23:54 < gwern> strange I have'nt seen more comparisons of him to them
2008-02-05 23:54 < gwern> ggreer: supreme dictator for life, and his first mate Hobbes?
2008-02-05 23:54 < ggreer> gwern: heck yea
2008-02-05 23:54 < bumm13> such a notion isn't cool ;p
2008-02-05 23:54 < zocky> ok, I just got a bunch of data that I need to post on a website in .DBF ?!?!
2008-02-05 23:54 < ggreer> bumm13: I always root for the bad guys in movies
2008-02-05 23:55 < ggreer> except for the movie downfall
2008-02-05 23:55 < ggreer> or any nazi movie
2008-02-05 23:55 < zocky> or any move where the bad guys aren't nice?
2008-02-05 23:55 < zocky> *movie
2008-02-05 23:56 < TheWeasel> Proven Fuhrership for America
2008-02-05 23:56 < cimon> gwern: I like your lol-ferret btw...
2008-02-05 23:56 < TheWeasel> the word "leader" sounds disturbing from a European perspective
2008-02-05 23:56 < gwern> /me does too
2008-02-05 23:56 < zocky> TheWeasel, nah, just from german perspective
2008-02-05 23:56 < gwern> cimon: I didn't make it though :(
2008-02-05 23:56 < TheWeasel> Hm.
2008-02-05 23:57 < TheWeasel> Maybe
2008-02-05 23:57 < gwern> gurch did, iirc
2008-02-05 23:57 < ggreer> zocky: no, I root for any bad guys not based on real life bad guys
2008-02-05 23:57 < TheWeasel> I don't want "leaders" as politicians, I want competent administrators who sometimes take a look into the constitution.
2008-02-05 23:58 < zocky> you need both, IMO
2008-02-05 23:58 < cimon> bumm13: would you prefer dynastic presidencies? An eternal braid of clintons and bushes in the white house?
2008-02-05 23:59 < TheWeasel> Maybe leadership means vision then
2008-02-05 23:59 < ggreer> I cannot in good faith vote for anyone named clinton or bush
2008-02-05 23:59 < TheWeasel> I don't need to be lead.
2008-02-05 23:59 < ggreer> so obama's my choice, unless he doesn't get the nomination
2008-02-05 23:59 < TheWeasel> Maybe leadership just means ideas
2008-02-05 23:59 < zocky> when there's a media campaign of bigotry, or an economists' campaign to screw up the welfare state, you need people who can "lead" and tell both "masses" and "experts" to sod off.
2008-02-05 23:59 < gwern> I'm not sure mere administrators can solve america's problems. we're in pretty deep just with the middle east alone
2008-02-05 23:59 < ggreer> then I guess I'll vote for mccain :(
2008-02-06 00:00 < gwern> ggreer: no, ron paul!
2008-02-06 00:00 < ggreer> gwern: there is an answer to the middle-eastern question
2008-02-06 00:00 < ggreer> (yes I did phrase that intentionally)
2008-02-06 00:00 < TheWeasel> hm ya
2008-02-06 00:00 < gwern> ggreer: more lubrication for when we plunge deeper in?
2008-02-06 00:01 < TheWeasel> Fuhrership for the Middle East peace process?
2008-02-06 00:01 < ggreer> heh
2008-02-06 00:02 < TheWeasel> you'd probably translate it "Führungsstärke" nowadays
2008-02-06 00:02 < TheWeasel> firmness in leading
2008-02-06 00:03 < TheWeasel> As opposed to flip-flopping in office.
2008-02-06 00:03 < TheWeasel> (which I have nothing against, if new information warrants it)
2008-02-06 00:05 < TheWeasel> Sí, se puede.
2008-02-06 00:07 < Mask> http://blog.worldliberationfront.com/2008/02/giant-holodeck-battles.html
2008-02-06 00:08 < TheWeasel> Begala has a weird face
2008-02-06 00:13 < TheWeasel> is that Ari Fleischer?
2008-02-06 00:13 < Mike_H> Riana: WAKE UP D:
2008-02-06 00:14 < TheWeasel> Hill wins AZ
2008-02-06 00:14 < bumm13> Mike_H: the link? :)
2008-02-06 00:14 < TheWeasel> that's about it.
2008-02-06 00:14 < TheWeasel> Obama is pulling ahead in MO!
2008-02-06 00:15 < TheWeasel> but it's enormously close
2008-02-06 00:19 < bumm13> wb Demi
2008-02-06 00:20 < Demi> hi bumm13
2008-02-06 00:20 * Demi is beaten down from doing taxes
2008-02-06 00:21 < bumm13> aww :(
2008-02-06 00:21 < bumm13> the IRS is destroying the morale of America!
2008-02-06 00:22 < Demi> my state is doing me worser
2008-02-06 00:24 < gwern> whiskey tango foxtrot, repeat, whiskey tango foxtrot! over
2008-02-06 00:24 < bumm13> ahh
2008-02-06 00:24 < bumm13> Oregon has fairly-high property taxes, doesn't it?
2008-02-06 00:25 < bumm13> (Oregon also has a state income tax)
2008-02-06 00:25 < Dp67> 3 dit 4 dit 2 dit dah
2008-02-06 00:25 < TheWeasel> long live federalism
2008-02-06 00:25 < Demi> i wouldn't say the property taxes are that high, the income tax is high-ish
2008-02-06 00:25 < TheWeasel> Clinton wins CA.
2008-02-06 00:25 < TheWeasel> Big time, too.
2008-02-06 00:27 < Demi> my biggest problem (i think) is that oregon doesn't have a long-term capital gains tax rate, so all the stock i was "forced" to sell (because the company i was holding was bought) is taxed as regular income
2008-02-06 00:27 < TheWeasel> is "overexaggerate" a word?
2008-02-06 00:27 < TheWeasel> If yes, how do you underexaggerate something?
2008-02-06 00:27 < Demi> i hear overexaggerate a lot but it's probably not optimal usage
2008-02-06 00:28 < bumm13> Demi: ah, that sucks
2008-02-06 00:28 * Demi shrugs, it's the cross i bear
2008-02-06 00:28 < bumm13> overexaggerate = exaggerate²
2008-02-06 00:29 < Demi> i'm going to write some gangsta rap about being middle class
2008-02-06 00:29 < bumm13> but you can get some of that money back by collecting aluminum cans out of ditches!
2008-02-06 00:30 < Demi> my charitable nature would not allow me to snatch the livelihood from the mouths of the noble homeless
2008-02-06 00:30 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-06 00:30 * TheWeasel cuts self for not having gotten a BMW convertible for his 18th birthday
2008-02-06 00:31 * bumm13 wonders how messy it would be if someone threw in *unopened* pop cans into those can-sorting redemption machines
2008-02-06 00:31 < bumm13> TheWeasel: BMW, sounds kind of swanky
2008-02-06 00:31 < bumm13> I got no vehicle for my 18th birthday (zomg!)
2008-02-06 00:31 < TheWeasel> It's not acceptable that a white middle class student has to make due with only one car.
2008-02-06 00:31 < Demi> i bought my first car my damn self
2008-02-06 00:32 < bumm13> I didn't buy a car until 2001 :x
2008-02-06 00:32 < Demi> i don't think you're middle class if you're getting/giving cars as gifts
2008-02-06 00:32 < bumm13> heh, me neither
2008-02-06 00:32 < TheWeasel> It seems to be quite common in America
2008-02-06 00:32 < bumm13> and that car was already 15 years old
2008-02-06 00:32 < Demi> TheWeasel - ha, based on what? reality shows? :)
2008-02-06 00:32 < bumm13> well, many Americans who do that have endless amounts of debt
2008-02-06 00:33 < TheWeasel> I got my car along with my sister (it's legally mine) with help from the grandmas when I was 21 or so
2008-02-06 00:33 < bumm13> my grandparents never had money :P
2008-02-06 00:33 < TheWeasel> Yea, college comedy films