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2008-02-05 10:30 < Sfan00> which willd enounce any and all kinds of things as being 'false gods' or being in leauge with Satanic forces etc etc....
2008-02-05 10:30 < Sfan00> *wildy denouce any and all kinds of thing
2008-02-05 10:31 < Huntster> Sfan00, they are usually easy to pick out due to their wild, bloodshot eyes.
2008-02-05 10:31 < quanticle> Sfan00: Well yeah. This is why the crazy Christians haven't been invited. If they show up, we can't really make them leave, but we've kept this thing pretty quiet, so the chances of them getting interested enough to get involved is low.
2008-02-05 10:32 < Sfan00> Oh really?
2008-02-05 10:32 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-05 10:32 < quanticle> Sfan00: YA RLY
2008-02-05 10:32 < Sfan00> I would have though the Christian Crazies would be interetsed in dissing the competition
2008-02-05 10:32 < Sfan00> *thought
2008-02-05 10:32 < NotACow> the main reason people protest scientology is because scientology is WEIRD
2008-02-05 10:32 < Huntster> If they do start causing problems, then the group can work to distance themselves physically.
2008-02-05 10:33 < Sfan00> NotAcow: So is anyother non mainstream religon
2008-02-05 10:33 < NotACow> very few people protest scientology for any good reason
2008-02-05 10:33 < NotACow> even though there are good reasons to do so
2008-02-05 10:33 < quanticle> Sfan00: Well, we've advertised amongst the scientists and engineers, who, around here are mostly atheists. We're counting on both sides being equally repulive to the Christian crazies.
2008-02-05 10:33 < Sfan00> Look at Wicca from a Christian fundies viewpoint
2008-02-05 10:33 < NotACow> that's why i distance myself from the antiscientologists
2008-02-05 10:33 < Huntster> any religion can be called weird.
2008-02-05 10:34 < Sfan00> I also hear rumors that ANON might not be who people think Anon is
2008-02-05 10:34 < Huntster> Sfan00, indeed, but us Wiccans tend to ignore those fundies when they make noise.
2008-02-05 10:34 < Sfan00> and that a chunk of the US population is being subtly minipulated
2008-02-05 10:35 < Sfan00> as are the protestors in other countries
2008-02-05 10:35 < quanticle> Sfan00: Of course. Its well known that the core of ANON is a secret cult consisting of FreeMasons and the Illuminati :-)
2008-02-05 10:36 < Sfan00> quanticle: You forget the Skull and Bones? ;)
2008-02-05 10:36 < quanticle> Sfan00: Can't forget those, either.
2008-02-05 10:36 < Sfan00> Incidentally why are they protesting? And what is the intended outcome?
2008-02-05 10:36 < Sfan00> You can't BAN a religon in the US
2008-02-05 10:37 < Sfan00> You can't get it's tax exeption revoked
2008-02-05 10:37 < Huntster> Not so much protesting as it is distributing information leaflets. At least that's what the local group is doing.
2008-02-05 10:37 < Sfan00> You mean propoganda?
2008-02-05 10:37 < Huntster> (of course, it should never have been given tax exemption in the first place)
2008-02-05 10:37 < quanticle> Sfan00: They're protesting the anti-free speech actions Scientologists have been taking online and through the legal system.
2008-02-05 10:38 < Sfan00> By DDoS ? Which is also anti-free speech
2008-02-05 10:38 < quanticle> Sfan00: That and the lawsuits against anyone who speaks ill of Scientology.
2008-02-05 10:38 < Huntster> Sfan00, propoganda? Sure. If the CoS is willing to do so, no reason the anti's can't.
2008-02-05 10:38 < Sfan00> And then there was the 'snow white' powder incident
2008-02-05 10:39 < Huntster> Discount that, as there is no way to know where that came from. it could be rogue Anons or CoS itself.
2008-02-05 10:39 < quanticle> Sfan00: We're just protesting another sort of religious fundamentalims, I guess....
2008-02-05 10:39 < quanticle> *fundamentalism.
2008-02-05 10:39 < Sfan00> quanticle: Sicentologiss don't bomb people
2008-02-05 10:39 < Sfan00> Scinetologists don't traget particualr groups
2008-02-05 10:39 < Huntster> Give them time, give them time ;)
2008-02-05 10:39 < Sfan00> They don't have anti-western propoganda
2008-02-05 10:40 < quanticle> Sfan00: True. But we got tired of protesting the Christian fundies and decided the time was right for a change of pace. :)
2008-02-05 10:40 < Huntster> lol.
2008-02-05 10:40 < Sfan00> They don't make obscure threats in anonymous tapes
2008-02-05 10:40 < Huntster> Sfan00, no, they make bold-faced ones and sic lawyers against those they don't like.
2008-02-05 10:40 * Huntster shrugs
2008-02-05 10:41 < Sfan00> So comparing Scientologists with say islamic extremists is disingenuous and serves as smokescreen
2008-02-05 10:41 * Huntster wonders who was comparing CoS to Islamic extremists...
2008-02-05 10:41 < Huntster> Wake up Brown_cat.
2008-02-05 10:42 < quanticle> Sfan00: Scietologists aren't as bad as Islamic extremists, but they are a lot closer.
2008-02-05 10:42 < Sfan00> LOL
2008-02-05 10:42 < Sfan00> {{fact}}
2008-02-05 10:42 < quanticle> Sfan00: Well, the Scientologists are only a 5 minute bus ride from the University of Minnesota. How close is the nearest Islamic extremist?
2008-02-05 10:43 < Sfan00> Where's the mosque?
2008-02-05 10:43 < Zach> quanticle? minnesotan?
2008-02-05 10:43 < quanticle> Sfan00: Across town, at the very least.
2008-02-05 10:43 < quanticle> Zach: Yep.
2008-02-05 10:43 < Zach> nice, me as well, hailing from Richfield
2008-02-05 10:43 < quanticle> Zach: I hail from Plymouth.
2008-02-05 10:44 < Sfan00> Of course the VAST Majority of Islamic adherents are overwhemignly moderate
2008-02-05 10:44 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-05 10:44 < Zach> cool cool cool
2008-02-05 10:44 < quanticle> Sfan00: I wonder if the same can be said for Scientologists? Are the overwhelming majority of Scientologists benign and peace-loving?
2008-02-05 10:44 < Huntster> Sfan00, absolutely; extremists give everyone in their base group a bad name, even if the majority are normal folk.
2008-02-05 10:44 < Sfan00> qanuticle: ROFL
2008-02-05 10:44 < quanticle> Sfan00: Is Tom Cruise like the Osama bin Laden of Scientology?
2008-02-05 10:44 < Huntster> quanticle, no, just sheep being extorted for money.
2008-02-05 10:45 * Sfan00 has hysterical fit
2008-02-05 10:45 < Sfan00> qunaticle: Careful, you have no evidence or sources to support such a statment
2008-02-05 10:45 < quanticle> Huntster: Heh. I heard a joke once, "Ask a Christian or a Muslim about their religion and they'll tell you all you need to know for free. With a Scientologist, you have to wait for your check to clear."
2008-02-05 10:46 < Huntster> I'd wager that a significant percentage, if not outright majority, of
2008-02-05 10:46 < Huntster> ...of Scientologists are people who this it is 'fashionable'.
2008-02-05 10:46 < Huntster> quanticle, hehe.
2008-02-05 10:46 < Sfan00> Quanticle: I mean Christians even go knocking on doors to spread the 'Good News'
2008-02-05 10:46 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-05 10:46 < quanticle> Sfan00: Well, I know a major doctrine of Scientology is the confrontation of "suppressive persons". I wonder how many buy into that part of the ideology.
2008-02-05 10:47 < Sfan00> quanitcle: The Chuch had the Inquistion
2008-02-05 10:47 < slashem> every religion has enemies and heretics
2008-02-05 10:47 < Sfan00> Which certainly dealt with 'suppresive' types
2008-02-05 10:47 < slashem> every religion needs a way to quash dissent
2008-02-05 10:47 < quanticle> Sfan00: That's true. I'm wondering if this ideology has the support of the majority of Scientologists, like the Inquisition.
2008-02-05 10:48 < Sfan00> I am not sure the Inquistion had mainstream support
2008-02-05 10:48 < Sfan00> and a lot of what is rumoured to have occured is claimed as propoganda by some
2008-02-05 10:48 < quanticle> slashem: What about Eastern religions? When has Buddhism squashed dissent?
2008-02-05 10:49 < slashem> oh believe me, it has
2008-02-05 10:49 < quanticle> slashem: {{cite}}
2008-02-05 10:49 < slashem> there are many schools and doctrines within Buddhism
2008-02-05 10:50 < slashem> I don't have any specific examples, but my talking to a real buddhist speaks of "dharma wars" which are like flamewars over doctrine
2008-02-05 10:50 < quanticle> slashem: My question is, were those wars of argument or armies?
2008-02-05 10:50 < slashem> really any social group must establish what is approved belief to remain in the group and what beliefs cannot be tolerated
2008-02-05 10:50 < slashem> well, ok, not often armies
2008-02-05 10:51 < slashem> but I don't see any reason to believe they couldn't be
2008-02-05 10:51 < slashem> even the Dalai Lama comes from a society where monks had political power and didn't hesitate to use it
2008-02-05 10:51 < quanticle> slashem: Well, yeah. All social groups establish accepted beliefs. The real test of society is how it deals with those who don't follow accepted belief. Do they allow those people to leave, or do they persecute them, or do they execute them?
2008-02-05 10:52 < slashem> well, I've seen a few examples on Wikipedia
2008-02-05 10:52 < quanticle> slashem: Right, but one must distinguish between political/territorial wars and wars of doctrine.
2008-02-05 10:52 < slashem> Wikipedia can't physically harm you, but it can in fact restrict or eliminate your participation in the group
2008-02-05 10:52 < slashem> I don't draw a clear distinction between physical conflict (wars) and psychological conflict
2008-02-05 10:52 < slashem> they are interrelated
2008-02-05 10:53 < quanticle> slashem: I do. Physical conflict tends to leave you dead.
2008-02-05 10:53 < quanticle> slashem: Wars of words, not so much.
2008-02-05 10:54 < slashem> psychological conflict is much more than words. It involves crushing a person's spirit so that they no longer want to live. If you drive a person to suicide, that effectively leaves them dead.
2008-02-05 10:54 < slashem> not to mention depriving them of food or shelter or medical care.
2008-02-05 10:54 < Huntster> If a person is driven to suicide, then I have no repect for them in the first place.
2008-02-05 10:54 < Huntster> EOM.
2008-02-05 10:54 < slashem> hmm, a little harsh.
2008-02-05 10:56 < Huntster> slashem, hardly.
2008-02-05 10:56 < slashem> sorry, don't want to talk to you.
2008-02-05 10:56 * Huntster shrugs again.
2008-02-05 10:57 < quanticle> slashem: Depriving someone of food, sheleter, etc. would count as physical conflict. Its siege warfare.
2008-02-05 10:58 < slashem> that's kind of difficult. Does a poor person deserve basic necessities? Should people be supported by the State? Many libertarians would say no.
2008-02-05 10:58 < slashem> not to mention all those africans who are literally starving to death. Do we have a moral responsibility to go over there and feed them?
2008-02-05 10:59 < quanticle> slashem: Many would say we do. However, I believe you can draw a distinction between not providing aid, and depriving people of aid. I know that there are many who disagree with this distinctions.
2008-02-05 11:00 < slashem> yes, I would have difficulty making that distinction. There are many actions we take which have subtle consequences, such as US subsidy of ethanol production driving up the cost of tortillas in Mexico.
2008-02-05 11:00 < Huntster> I would be interested to see a pricetag attached to such a massive relief effort, if it is feasible at all. I know most populations have enough internal issues to deal with.
2008-02-05 11:01 < quanticle> Huntster: .7% of every industrialized nation's GDP is enough to deal with the worst cases, according to the UN.
2008-02-05 11:01 < Huntster> I do believe that ethanol has been a well-intentioned mistake, at least in how it has been implimented. I would appreciate not having to pay four dollars a gallon for milk, personally.
2008-02-05 11:02 < quanticle> Huntster: Heh. Me too. I never thought I'd see the day where milk was more expensive than gasoline.
2008-02-05 11:02 < Huntster> quanticle, perhaps, but how many of the worlds nations would be willing to contribute? Not a whole lot, I would guess. The U.S. contributes the vast majority of worldwide aid, last time I checked.
2008-02-05 11:03 < Vike91> hello
2008-02-05 11:03 < quanticle> Huntster: Most industrialized nations have actually committed to meeting that target.
2008-02-05 11:04 < quanticle> Huntster: Britain and most of Europe have already met it.
2008-02-05 11:04 < Huntster> Vike91, greetings. Finland?
2008-02-05 11:04 < Vike91> where did you know?
2008-02-05 11:04 < Huntster> your domain is .fi :)
2008-02-05 11:04 < quanticle> Vike91: You're connecting from *.fi address
2008-02-05 11:04 < Vike91> oh yes
2008-02-05 11:05 < Vike91> is that unpermitted to connect other countries channels?
2008-02-05 11:05 < Huntster> quanticle, hmm. I wonder where the U.S. currently stands.
2008-02-05 11:05 < Huntster> Vike91, certainly not! You are permitted to join wherever you please.
2008-02-05 11:07 < Huntster> quanticle, though to be honest, I'd like to see a significant increase in space funding; the sooner I can move into space, the sooner my food allocations can be redirected elsewhere ;)
2008-02-05 11:07 < Vike91> who is operator here?
2008-02-05 11:07 < autocracy> Vike91: better to ask the question of what you need
2008-02-05 11:07 < Huntster> There are many ops, but it is general policy that they not 'advertise' it.
2008-02-05 11:07 < Vike91> okay
2008-02-05 11:07 < Vike91> i understand
2008-02-05 11:08 < quanticle> Huntster: The last numbers show the US at 0.16%, far from its World Food Summit pledge of 0.7%.
2008-02-05 11:08 < Huntster> Is there a problem or question?
2008-02-05 11:09 < Vike91> no there isnt
2008-02-05 11:09 < Huntster> quanticle, huh. have to consider, though, that .7% for this country is far far larger a figure than .7% for European countries. Still, there shouldn't be too much of a problem to reach such a goal.
2008-02-05 11:10 < Huntster> Vike91, okay, just checking.
2008-02-05 11:10 * Huntster pets White_Cat.
2008-02-05 11:11 < quanticle> Huntster: Right. The .7% is a flat commitment designed to put a proportional burden upon all countries. That way, small countries can't complain about having to contribute comparatively more than larger countries.
2008-02-05 11:11 < Huntster> quanticle, indeed.
2008-02-05 11:14 < Huntster> bbl.
2008-02-05 11:14 < NotACow> mo
2008-02-05 11:14 < slashem> quac
2008-02-05 11:14 < NotACow> splut
2008-02-05 11:14 < NotACow> damn quitters
2008-02-05 11:15 < autocracy> yeah, hate leavers. they ruin irc.
2008-02-05 11:22 < NotACow> you join the channel, you have an obligation to stay in it
2008-02-05 11:27 < quanticle> NotACow: Amen.
2008-02-05 11:28 < quanticle> NotACow: This is why my irssi runs inside screen.
2008-02-05 11:32 < NotACow> quanticle: there is no other way to do it
2008-02-05 11:38 < Huntster> @$%@$& Why can McDonalds not get a simple order correct?
2008-02-05 11:43 < quanticle> Huntster: Are you IRC'ing on a cell phone?
2008-02-05 11:44 < Demi> they're busy behind the counter adding the "special sauce"
2008-02-05 11:45 < quanticle> Demi: When I was younger, special sauce sounded special and exciting. Now it just sounds creepy and slightly disgusting.
2008-02-05 11:46 < Demi> so many things are like that
2008-02-05 11:46 < Demi> i feel like everything i say to anyone else's kid is terribly creepy
2008-02-05 11:46 < quanticle> Demi: Like what?
2008-02-05 11:47 < Demi> "wow, that is a great toy. what can it do?"
2008-02-05 11:47 < Demi> "do you like preschool too?"
2008-02-05 11:48 < Demi> is it me or is it a little gouge-y to sell the wiimote and nunchuk separately?
2008-02-05 11:48 < quanticle> Demi: Maybe I'm just clining to my innocence here, but neither of those quotes struck me as particularly creepy.
2008-02-05 11:49 < quanticle> *clinging
2008-02-05 11:49 < Demi> yeah, maybe
2008-02-05 11:49 < Cyrius> a little, but more than a few games don't require the nunchuk
2008-02-05 11:49 < quanticle> Demi: It is extremely gougey.
2008-02-05 11:49 < Demi> they probably aren't, but it's the kind of thing you're hypersensitive about when you're talking to other people's kids
2008-02-05 11:49 < quanticle> Cyrius: Almost every game is better with the nunchuck, even if the nunchuk isn't required.
2008-02-05 11:50 * quanticle actually reads [[m:IRC guidelines/wikipedia]]
2008-02-05 11:50 < NotACow> quanticle: why'd you go and do that?
2008-02-05 11:51 < quanticle> Hmmm, I don't think #wikipedia should be a '"Reference desk" for help with finding articles in Wikipedias'.
2008-02-05 11:51 < quanticle> NotACow: Well the topic was truncated, so I typed /topic to see the whole thing, and I got intrigued.
2008-02-05 11:59 < NotACow> quanticle: silly boy.
2008-02-05 11:59 < NotACow> quanticle: nobody knows what #wikipedia is for
2008-02-05 11:59 < NotACow> quanticle: except for the obvious, which nobody wants to admit
2008-02-05 12:00 < Arwen> anyone here willing to offer an ssh or rdesktop login? hehe
2008-02-05 12:01 < SmileyG> Hi guys, at university im doing a presentation on the future of wikipedia. I wont be quoting anyone but im wondering if anyone will be willing to share some ideas of where THEY can see wikipedia going?
2008-02-05 12:01 < Cometstyles> to hell :P
2008-02-05 12:01 < SmileyG> ok, thats fine, but why?
2008-02-05 12:02 < Cometstyles> lol j/k :P
2008-02-05 12:02 < SmileyG> ok :P
2008-02-05 12:02 < Cometstyles> ooh wikipedia die? O_O
2008-02-05 12:02 < SmileyG> So in seriousness... im supprised no one has jumped me.
2008-02-05 12:02 < SmileyG> I can't see any where on wikipedia site which states where its aiming to go?
2008-02-05 12:02 * Cometstyles jumps
2008-02-05 12:03 < Bluescan> :)
2008-02-05 12:03 < Cometstyles> SmileyG, only one aim..to provide free knowledge to one and all :)
2008-02-05 12:03 < SmileyG> lol, thats a bit of a bland aim.
2008-02-05 12:04 < quanticle> NotACow: Its a secret meeting place for the cabal, isn't it?
2008-02-05 12:05 < quanticle> SmileyG: We're all too sleepy to engage in flamewars right now... :)
2008-02-05 12:05 < SmileyG> ...
2008-02-05 12:05 < SmileyG> whos starting a flamewar?
2008-02-05 12:05 * quanticle yawns
2008-02-05 12:05 < SmileyG> i just want to know what the users hope might happen...
2008-02-05 12:06 < ALLSTARecho> here's where wikipedia is going, if it hasn't already gotten there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Consensus_zombies.png
2008-02-05 12:06 < quanticle> SmileyG: Heh. With so many differing perspectives on Wikipedia, its almost inevitable to have a flame war once you ask people what their view are, because there's sure to be a few who thing the other guy is dead wrong.
2008-02-05 12:07 < SmileyG> quanticle: ok, you can all PM me ^_^
2008-02-05 12:07 < SmileyG> You'd imagine, that me doing a presentation on something you supposidly all "care" about, that you'd be willing at least to part some information.
2008-02-05 12:07 < SmileyG> instead imf getting wisecracks
2008-02-05 12:09 < quanticle> SmileyG: Well, I for one don't have any idea where Wikipedia is going. At the risk of sounding like a hippie, "Its about the journey, not the destination."
2008-02-05 12:09 < SmileyG> quanticle: ok kool.
2008-02-05 12:09 < SmileyG> as its really hard to actually go on the wiki and ask people...
2008-02-05 12:09 < SmileyG> so i came here
2008-02-05 12:09 < SmileyG> @:D
2008-02-05 12:11 < quanticle> Heh. You made a good choice on the surface. But #wikipedia is more of a social channel than anything else. Try asking on #wikipedia-en.
2008-02-05 12:16 < Mbimmler> OTOH, #wikipedia-en is more of a ... quiet channel than anything else.
2008-02-05 12:16 < Mbimmler> Try asking on #wikipedia *hide*
2008-02-05 12:17 < quanticle> Mbimmler: Well, you have to admit, there are more hardcore wikinerds on #wikipedia-en than #wikipedia
2008-02-05 12:17 < Mbimmler> quanticle, granted. but they are usually too busy to idle in IRC and answer questions ;-)
2008-02-05 12:21 < ALLSTARecho> since none of us are employees of Wikpedia, I don't think it's really in our best interest to speak on behalf of Wikipedia. If you'd like an answer from someone, try Wikipedia founder [[User talk:Jimbo Wales]].
2008-02-05 12:21 < SmileyG> i have about 5 hours.
2008-02-05 12:21 < SmileyG> is it liely ill get a reponse at all? :D
2008-02-05 12:21 < SmileyG> and i asked where the users see it going
2008-02-05 12:22 < SmileyG> after all, i keep hearing how the community shapes wikipedia
2008-02-05 12:22 < ALLSTARecho> keeping in mind that wikipedia users are still held liable for their actions off of (ie: IRC) wikipedia when it regards wikipedia
2008-02-05 12:29 < Mbimmler> ALLSTARecho, don't worry, you won't be held reliable for uttering a personal opinion on Wikipedia ;-)
2008-02-05 12:30 < Mbimmler> SmileyG, if you *really* need something official: Contacts
2008-02-05 12:30 < Mbimmler> Head of Communications
2008-02-05 12:30 < Mbimmler> press (at) wikimedia (dot) org
2008-02-05 12:30 < Mbimmler> +1 415-839-6885
2008-02-05 13:24 < Leslie_S> sigh.
2008-02-05 13:24 < Leslie_S> why does the world have to be so f-ed up?
2008-02-05 13:25 < Gambit> blame fed-ex
2008-02-05 13:25 < Leslie_S> .....lol
2008-02-05 13:25 < Lady_Aleena> Because God put temptation in the Garden of Eden?
2008-02-05 13:25 < Leslie_S> God doesnt exist. neither does the garden of eden;
2008-02-05 13:31 < Mbimmler> neither does the world. q.e.d.
2008-02-05 13:32 < The359> This is not a pipe, either
2008-02-05 13:32 * Gambit agrees with Leslie_S
2008-02-05 13:33 * Gambit tags [[God]] for AfD ..fails [[WP:BIO|notability]] :P
2008-02-05 13:34 < Mbimmler> Gambit, rather [[WP:BIO|Verifiability]]
2008-02-05 13:34 < Gambit> ooh yeah ;)
2008-02-05 13:35 < Gambit> then wikipedia will be sued by all the churches and well..I'll have anew life :DDD
2008-02-05 13:41 * quanticle wants dark chocolate
2008-02-05 13:41 < quanticle> Coffee is a poor substitute for dark chocolate.
2008-02-05 13:42 < quanticle> Unfortunately, I don't have any at work at the moment.
2008-02-05 13:44 < Leslie_S> im going to leave irc for good. wtf to do instead? :/
2008-02-05 13:45 < autocracy> Leslie_S: :-/
2008-02-05 13:48 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Why are you leaving?
2008-02-05 13:48 < Leslie_S> quanticle because whenever i fucking talk in a channel, people make comments like "cry some more", etc, no matter what im saying.
2008-02-05 13:48 < Leslie_S> it fucking pisses me the fuck off, and im not going to deal with it.
2008-02-05 13:49 < NotACow> then don't.
2008-02-05 13:49 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Hmmm. Well don't look at me for recommendations on what do with your free time.
2008-02-05 13:49 < Leslie_S> I'm not going to.
2008-02-05 13:49 < Leslie_S> And i even had some dipshit in #defocus, who i previoulsy thought was an intelligent person, try to get me to prove my rationale forw anting a sex change.
2008-02-05 13:49 < Leslie_S> I told him im not going to argue about what i am, and that its none of his business. and left.
2008-02-05 13:50 < quanticle> Leslie_S: As is your prerogative.
2008-02-05 13:50 < Leslie_S> NotACow and heh, i keep having idiots in real life asking me if im male or female. ;/
2008-02-05 13:50 < Leslie_S> NotACow im about ready to just start saying "both"
2008-02-05 13:51 < Leslie_S> but meh, maybe i'll just find somewhere else to IRC.
2008-02-05 13:51 < quanticle> She (or is it he?) will be back.
2008-02-05 13:57 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-02-05 13:57 < Lubaf> How's porn?
2008-02-05 13:58 < quanticle> Its good. Why do you ask?
2008-02-05 13:59 < Lubaf> quanticle: The phrase "Anyway. \n How's X" where X is a random string, means "How's life" or "How's it going", or occasionally, "Let's change the subject" or "Boy, the channel is dead".
2008-02-05 14:00 < quanticle> Lubaf: I usually use, "Man. Its quiet in here."
2008-02-05 14:00 < Lubaf> quanticle: Yes, but that leaves less room for Dadaism.
2008-02-05 14:01 < quanticle> Lubaf: It leaves plenty of room for dada in the response.
2008-02-05 14:01 * quanticle declares 30 seconds of dada
2008-02-05 14:01 < Lubaf> The truth is lies!
2008-02-05 14:01 < quanticle> The stupid penguin glues the frosty board!!
2008-02-05 14:21 * ALLSTARecho files an Arbcom case because there's not enough porn on Wikipedia
2008-02-05 14:25 < ALLSTARecho> haha how's this.. praise from a vandal on my talk page: Thanks for reverting my junk so fast, sometimes I could'nt even get a second look at them! Keep up the good work, man!--69.94.168.37 (talk) 15:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
2008-02-05 14:26 < ronabop> Thankful vandals are the best kind.
2008-02-05 14:27 < ALLSTARecho> indeed
2008-02-05 14:47 < ALLSTARecho> alright for being blocked by Jimbo. I must have gotten into it with one of his buddies.
2008-02-05 14:54 < Mike2> this is incredible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu6meteYaRw
2008-02-05 15:02 * Lady_Aleena hugs everyone for no reason. :)
2008-02-05 15:03 < DannyLilithborne> :D
2008-02-05 15:03 < kim_> * everyone hugs Lady_Aleena
2008-02-05 15:03 < Lady_Aleena> WOW! Everyone?
2008-02-05 15:04 < DannyLilithborne> everybody... everybody...
2008-02-05 15:04 < Lady_Aleena> That is so nice.
2008-02-05 15:05 < Cyrius> la dee da dee da
2008-02-05 15:07 < creidieki> Hi, I'm a CS grad student and I had some questions about the database dumps.
2008-02-05 15:08 < Lady_Aleena> creidieki; you might want to ask at the Village pump.
2008-02-05 15:10 < creidieki> Lady_Aleena, Okay, thank you.
2008-02-05 15:11 < creidieki> Does anyone happen to know whether it's still possible to get an enwiki dump with article histories?
2008-02-05 15:11 < Ausir> lol, Huckabee won the West Virginia primary. Wonder if it's thanks to Stewart vs. Colbert vs. O'Brien epic fight yesterday
2008-02-05 15:12 < Warpath> :O
2008-02-05 15:12 < Lady_Aleena> creidieki: It is pretty quiet here today, so the village pump might be your best bet for all of these questions.
2008-02-05 15:12 < kim_> creidieki, it is, theoretically
2008-02-05 15:12 < kim_> but might be a tad old!
2008-02-05 15:13 < creidieki> kim_, I can't find *any* of them on the database dump site. The most recent dump has another 2 weeks to go for the XML,
2008-02-05 15:13 < kim_> creidieki, ARGH!
2008-02-05 15:13 < kim_> creidieki, someone needs to talk with brion
2008-02-05 15:14 < kim_> I volunteer you for the job }:-)
2008-02-05 15:14 < creidieki> lol, well I found someone at my university today who's been using a web crawler b/c he can't find dumps.
2008-02-05 15:15 < creidieki> And as the department's Wikipedia expert, I've volunteered to try and track down what's going on.
2008-02-05 15:16 < creidieki> [[m:Requests for dumps]] seems to have 4-5 other academic departments begging for the dumps to be posted :-)
2008-02-05 15:17 < geniice> creidieki probably. Full dumps of enwikipedia have been broken pretty much forever
2008-02-05 15:17 < rpj8> Huh. Odd. Wikipedia isn't showing me any images for some reason. Anyone have any idea what that's about?
2008-02-05 15:18 < geniice> rpj8 I'm still getting images. probably your connection to the image server messed up somehow
2008-02-05 15:18 < rpj8> huh.
2008-02-05 15:18 < Ausir> rpj8: teh internets iz breaken
2008-02-05 15:18 < rpj8> Ausir: Oh noes
2008-02-05 15:20 < rpj8> It's very odd. I can eventually get to the image
2008-02-05 15:20 < rpj8> witha few clicks
2008-02-05 15:21 < rpj8> By just going to the image directly.
2008-02-05 15:21 < rpj8> for example, this image doesn't load: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Adidas_Samba.PNG
2008-02-05 15:22 < rpj8> But when I click on where the image should be, the image appears
2008-02-05 15:22 < creidieki> Does anyone have any old database dumps for en with history on their hard drives? I need it for research.
2008-02-05 15:24 < rpj8> alright. seems like it's a firefox issue. off to #firefox~
2008-02-05 15:24 < jerkface03> im sure its available
2008-02-05 15:25 < jerkface03> there were compression challenges on it
2008-02-05 15:30 < NotACow> smoop.
2008-02-05 15:30 < Messedrocker> smoot
2008-02-05 15:30 < Messedrocker> fred smoot
2008-02-05 15:31 < NotACow> smoot point
2008-02-05 15:32 < NotACow> hm
2008-02-05 15:32 < NotACow> my spiffy avatar disappeared off the wikback :(
2008-02-05 15:32 < Messedrocker> wtf
2008-02-05 15:32 < Messedrocker> how!
2008-02-05 15:32 * Messedrocker liked that avatar
2008-02-05 15:32 < NotACow> dunno
2008-02-05 15:34 < JigmeDatse> Morning.
2008-02-05 15:52 < trappist> I just discovered an old account of mine. is it possible to merge it with the account I've been using recently?
2008-02-05 15:52 < JohnReaves> No
2008-02-05 15:52 < JohnReaves> well, yes, but the devs won't do it
2008-02-05 15:53 < trappist> oh
2008-02-05 15:53 < trappist> what if I send them beer?
2008-02-05 15:53 < JohnReaves> Then maybe, just maybe
2008-02-05 15:53 < trappist> gotcha.
2008-02-05 15:54 < MarcC> a user just removed a bunch of what he calls "subcategories" from the Blender (3D software) entry. Is there a policy about this or is this a normal thing? I've never seen it before.
2008-02-05 15:55 < The359> looks like he merely removed parent categories
2008-02-05 15:55 < The359> and left the more specific categories intact
2008-02-05 15:56 < The359> For instance, [[Category:Free computer-aided design software]] is a subcategory of [[Category:Computer-aided design software]]
2008-02-05 15:56 < The359> So there's no need to list both categories
2008-02-05 15:56 < The359> Merely the more specific one, Free computer-aided design software
2008-02-05 15:57 < MarcC> The359: but he removed a child category, namely Global Illumination software...that's what I don't understand
2008-02-05 15:57 < The359> could be a mistake
2008-02-05 15:58 < The359> actually
2008-02-05 15:58 < The359> he added it back it seems
2008-02-05 15:58 < MarcC> oh, yep
2008-02-05 15:58 < MarcC> ok, thanks...guess it was just a mistake
2008-02-05 16:07 < Fire> Hey
2008-02-05 16:10 < geniice> 91K we doing well
2008-02-05 16:10 < geniice> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/removal-of-the-pics-of-muhammad-from-wikipedia
2008-02-05 16:11 < bluefoxicy> so guys
2008-02-05 16:11 < mavhc> if they did a better job of removing the pictures from reality we wouldn't have them on wikipedia
2008-02-05 16:11 < bluefoxicy> when i was in high school the english textbook said that Johnson's dictionary actually started with one word
2008-02-05 16:11 < bluefoxicy> the first word Johnson defined was "Chicken"
2008-02-05 16:11 < bluefoxicy> and he defined it as a noun
2008-02-05 16:11 < bluefoxicy> meaning "A young girl"
2008-02-05 16:13 < geniice> mavhc the pics are at a british university I'd rather no one tried to remove it from reality
2008-02-05 16:14 < FoeNyx> bluefoxicy> a chick ?
2008-02-05 16:14 < bluefoxicy> yeah
2008-02-05 16:14 < bluefoxicy> wtf?
2008-02-05 16:15 < geniice> WW3 I can live with I just rather people didn't fight it over wikipedia
2008-02-05 16:15 < bluefoxicy> haha
2008-02-05 16:16 < geniice> Please keep these illustrations. These terrorists are trying to take over every culture and impose their backward ways on all of us. I am sick of them and their evil religion. We need to stand up against islam and crush them before it is to late. We have to stop listening to these terrorists. Why can everyone be allowed to put down Christ, but Muhammad and his evil ways are off limits.
2008-02-05 16:16 < geniice> yeah I think you may be signing the wrong petition mate
2008-02-05 16:24 < bstone> question: what is WP's policy about articles on houses of worship? do they have articles simply due to being an established house of worship? or must they be notable for some reason?
2008-02-05 16:24 < bstone> i am of the opinion they must be notable, like anything else
2008-02-05 16:25 < Cyrius> there are a bazillion churches in the world
2008-02-05 16:25 < Cyrius> I don't think a church in a strip mall should have an article
2008-02-05 16:26 < bstone> what about a church whose has a leader who has an article on WP
2008-02-05 16:26 < bstone> ?
2008-02-05 16:26 < Cyrius> assuming he should have an article, then probably =)
2008-02-05 16:26 < White_Cat> Cyrius I dont know
2008-02-05 16:27 < White_Cat> I am inclined to think that all churches are notable
2008-02-05 16:27 < White_Cat> yes there are many churches just like many cities
2008-02-05 16:27 < bstone> White_Cat, what makes them notable?
2008-02-05 16:28 < White_Cat> bstone its information you see on an encyclopedia
2008-02-05 16:28 < White_Cat> we cant claim only cathedrals are notable
2008-02-05 16:28 < White_Cat> sure koln cathedral is notable, why?
2008-02-05 16:28 * gwern finds myself wondering whether [[The Hunting of the Snark]] is serious or an elaborate send-up of literary criticism
2008-02-05 16:28 < White_Cat> because its big? Size doesnt mater.
2008-02-05 16:29 < White_Cat> I think we really need to be more liberal on what we consider notable
2008-02-05 16:29 < White_Cat> if someone wants to write an article on it, let them
2008-02-05 16:29 < bstone> White_Cat, huh???
2008-02-05 16:29 < Cyrius> I consider a church in a strip mall to be as notable as a random McDonalds
2008-02-05 16:29 < bstone> I think a church needs to be notable for something in order to have an article
2008-02-05 16:29 < White_Cat> bstone the church of Koln (cathedral) is pretty impressive in size
2008-02-05 16:29 < bstone> otherwise it as notable as a barn
2008-02-05 16:30 < White_Cat> Cyrius strip mall I dono
2008-02-05 16:30 < White_Cat> I am talking about a single building that happens to be a church
2008-02-05 16:30 < bstone> i am thining a small church does not meet any notability guidlines
2008-02-05 16:30 < bstone> i see a stub of a house of worship. the religious leader has an article.
2008-02-05 16:31 < White_Cat> very small rooms to worship dont seem to be something worthy of our time
2008-02-05 16:31 < bstone> i think HE it notable but he does not make the house of worship notable because he is notable for his magazine
2008-02-05 16:31 < White_Cat> bstone why are you asking me
2008-02-05 16:31 < White_Cat> you arent even going to listen to me
2008-02-05 16:31 < bstone> White_Cat, I am *discussing*
2008-02-05 16:32 < White_Cat> well
2008-02-05 16:32 < White_Cat> I am saying mass removal of small church articles
2008-02-05 16:32 < bstone> discussing is how to exchange ideas
2008-02-05 16:32 < bstone> listening to you is how you tell me what to do
2008-02-05 16:32 < White_Cat> or a stance against small churches against small church articles is problmeatic
2008-02-05 16:32 < White_Cat> *or a stance against small church articles is problmeatic
2008-02-05 16:33 < White_Cat> **or a general stance against small church articles is problmeatic
2008-02-05 16:33 < bstone> i am going to tag this one stub for deletion and see what the discussion generates
2008-02-05 16:33 < bstone> and go from there
2008-02-05 16:33 < bstone> i am curious
2008-02-05 16:33 < White_Cat> afds are not a median to gather consensus on a broad range
2008-02-05 16:33 < White_Cat> why not ask the wikiproject christianity
2008-02-05 16:33 < bstone> it's not a christian house of worship
2008-02-05 16:33 < White_Cat> or wikiproject buildings
2008-02-05 16:34 < White_Cat> a church is a christian house of worship
2008-02-05 16:34 < bstone> not always
2008-02-05 16:34 < bstone> but usually
2008-02-05 16:34 < bstone> 99.9% of the time it is
2008-02-05 16:34 < White_Cat> then what religion is it for?
2008-02-05 16:34 < White_Cat> Islam? :D
2008-02-05 16:34 < bstone> the Church of Satan is not a christian house of worship
2008-02-05 16:35 < White_Cat> oh
2008-02-05 16:35 < White_Cat> close enough to islam :P
2008-02-05 16:35 < bstone> the guys down the street who go there are NOT christian, i assure you
2008-02-05 16:35 < bstone> eh.....
2008-02-05 16:35 < bstone> no comment
2008-02-05 16:35 < White_Cat> :P
2008-02-05 16:35 * bstone shakes head
2008-02-05 16:35 < White_Cat> so it is a church of satanism
2008-02-05 16:35 < White_Cat> mmm
2008-02-05 16:35 < White_Cat> you may have a coi over it :D
2008-02-05 16:36 < bstone> nope
2008-02-05 16:36 < Ausir> how about the Church of Scientology?
2008-02-05 16:36 < bstone> i have no connection to the house of worship at all
2008-02-05 16:36 < bstone> Ausir, ding
2008-02-05 16:38 < kenlyric> church of the subgenius.
2008-02-05 16:38 < ceil420> i'd say that Scientology isn't really a religion because all it does is extort people and take their money, making them believe in a bunch of bullshit false promises and imaginary saviours
2008-02-05 16:39 < ceil420> then i'm reminded of Catholicism
2008-02-05 16:39 < ceil420> *cough*
2008-02-05 16:39 * White_Cat whatches ceil420 cough
2008-02-05 16:39 < gwern> ceil420: also, there are splinter scientology groups which don't seem as obssessed with money, so I guess if people believe in it... it counts as a religion
2008-02-05 16:39 * White_Cat slaps ceil420 a bit with a large Pope
2008-02-05 16:39 * ceil420 slaps White_Cat around for a bit with a perl script
2008-02-05 16:40 < White_Cat> You have been imbune with catholicisim! Pearl cant harm me!
2008-02-05 16:40 < ceil420> gwern, i believe in the power of C and Perl, and that they will one day rise up and rid the world of the evil that is Visual languages and Java. can i have a religion? ^^
2008-02-05 16:41 < gwern> ceil420: only if you engage in jihad^Wholy wars. you will also need to follow orthodoxy on vi/emacs
2008-02-05 16:41 < Ausir> ceil420: " all it does is extort people and take their money, making them believe in a bunch of bullshit false promises and imaginary saviours" - sounds like christianity (especially catholicism)
2008-02-05 16:41 < ceil420> i worship in vim almost daily, and i'm constantly waging war against the evils of inferior languages
2008-02-05 16:41 < ceil420> Ausir, exactly :p
2008-02-05 16:42 < Ausir> i can is worshipping lolcode
2008-02-05 16:42 < ceil420> i'm even learning LaTeX now, so i can write my scriptures in a worthy 'language', too :p
2008-02-05 16:43 < White_Cat> ceil420 you know
2008-02-05 16:43 < White_Cat> I have been playing Medeval 2
2008-02-05 16:43 < White_Cat> and I am influencing the Pope with money I got from my peasants
2008-02-05 16:43 < ceil420> heh
2008-02-05 16:43 < White_Cat> In fact I am shoving it down his mouth
2008-02-05 16:43 < ceil420> a religious figure being controlled by money? no wai!
2008-02-05 16:43 < White_Cat> mind you the Pope use to be one of my cardinals
2008-02-05 16:43 < triona> Docbook > LaTeX
2008-02-05 16:44 < ceil420> triona, :o
2008-02-05 16:44 < Ausir> I am the pope of Discordianism
2008-02-05 16:44 < White_Cat> he was elected the Pope beacause I shoved money through the throats of all other candidates
2008-02-05 16:44 < White_Cat> now the college of cardinals only have 1 (yes 1) non English cardinal
2008-02-05 16:44 < triona> Structure and presentation must be seperated!
2008-02-05 16:45 < White_Cat> Cardinals are the group of priests that pope seen worthy to grant cardinalship
2008-02-05 16:45 < ceil420> i get enough of that with xhtml/css >_>
2008-02-05 16:45 < White_Cat> which is based on how much the pope likes your faction pretty much
2008-02-05 16:46 < triona> xhtml still is presentation oriented.
2008-02-05 16:46 < triona> it tries to be structural
2008-02-05 16:46 < ceil420> the <div> is mightier than the <table>
2008-02-05 16:46 < White_Cat> which again is based on money shoving
2008-02-05 16:46 < triona> but... web developers are too spoiled and can't get used to doing it right
2008-02-05 16:48 < gwern> Ausir: I am also an official POEE pope, and for your effrontery, I excommunicate you!
2008-02-05 16:48 < MessedRawker> i'm the discordian pope
2008-02-05 16:48 < White_Cat> heh pope excommunicated venicians over their alliance with the turks
2008-02-05 16:49 < Huntster> hmm, can one pope excommunicate another pope?
2008-02-05 16:49 < Ausir> gwern: I excomunicated you first
2008-02-05 16:49 < MessedRawker> Huntster, certainly
2008-02-05 16:49 < White_Cat> Huntster there is just one pope so we never had to worry about it
2008-02-05 16:49 < dungodung> there cannot be two popes at the same time
2008-02-05 16:49 < White_Cat> because the byzantees were practicaly pounding venicians
2008-02-05 16:49 < White_Cat> dungodung there can be
2008-02-05 16:49 < Ausir> dungodung: in Discordianism, there can be
2008-02-05 16:49 < White_Cat> one is the pope of satana
2008-02-05 16:49 < gwern> Ausir: no you didn't. I went back in time and declared your excommunication as part of the Original Snub
2008-02-05 16:49 < Ausir> in Discordianism, every man, woman and child is Pope
2008-02-05 16:49 < dungodung> not in the presense
2008-02-05 16:49 * Huntster was referring to the feud between Ausir and gwern
2008-02-05 16:50 < Ausir> Huntster: sure, it says so in the Principia Discordia
2008-02-05 16:50 < Ausir> it also says that you shouldn't believe anything you read. so it is written!
2008-02-05 16:50 < Huntster> Sounds like a convenient history rewrite to me.
2008-02-05 16:50 * Huntster doesn't believe a word of it.
2008-02-05 16:51 < Ausir> neither do I, but it doesn't mean it's not all true
2008-02-05 16:51 < Huntster> you know, by that measure, gwern automatically wins, because we cannot trust anything you write to be the truth.
2008-02-05 16:51 < Ausir> Huntster: you cannot trust anything she writes either
2008-02-05 16:52 < gwern> 'Due to a series of personal and financial problems, Asprin stopped writing in the 1990s. Eventually, these problems were somewhat resolved, and in the late 1990s and early 2000s, he has written several novels in collaboration with authors Peter Heck, Jody Lynn Nye, and Linda Evans: as a result of the conditions of his agreement with the IRS, [1] it receives all income earned from books for which he is credited as sole author, and therefore it is in ...
2008-02-05 16:52 < gwern> ... his own best interest to reduce his role to co-author. '
2008-02-05 16:52 < Huntster> Ausir, I'll have to make my own judgement about that!
2008-02-05 16:52 < Huntster> and then discount everything I write.
2008-02-05 16:53 < Huntster> Therefore, I declare all Wikipedia to be heresy.
2008-02-05 16:53 < gwern> I suppose that is one of the things which is true, false, true and false, neither true or false...
2008-02-05 16:53 < NotACow> i am both true and false
2008-02-05 16:53 < Ausir> the fact that it's a heresy doesn't mean it's not true
2008-02-05 16:53 < NotACow> i defy the laws of logical reasoning
2008-02-05 16:53 < Huntster> kind of like being down but standing upright?
2008-02-05 16:54 < gwern> NotACow: you include the excluded middle!
2008-02-05 16:54 < gwern> you take the principle of explosion and implode it!
2008-02-05 16:56 < Huntster> Ausir: eye of the beholder. True believers cannot entertain the idea that it may be true, therefore it is not. Isn't history written by the victors?
2008-02-05 16:57 < Demi> there have been more than pope at a time
2008-02-05 16:57 < Demi> wait, that's not a sentence
2008-02-05 16:58 < Huntster> wow.
2008-02-05 16:58 < Demi> there have been situations with more than one roman catholic pope
2008-02-05 16:58 < Demi> iirc in the eastern church they have offices called pope of which there are several (one step above patriarch? below?)
2008-02-05 17:02 < MessedRawker> grr, how the hell do you seed
2008-02-05 17:02 < MessedRawker> i made the necessary upload
2008-02-05 17:02 < gwern> MessedRawker: at about 100kbs, usually
2008-02-05 17:02 < MessedRawker> ...
2008-02-05 17:03 < White_Cat> ceil420 do you know what is most fun?
2008-02-05 17:03 * gwern once asked a magician how he did a trick. the reply was 'Very well.' I could hardly argue with that
2008-02-05 17:03 < White_Cat> assassinating cardinals to steal their posts
2008-02-05 17:03 < ceil420> getting high and jammin' on a guitar for four hours?
2008-02-05 17:03 < ceil420> oh
2008-02-05 17:03 < NotACow> why would someone assassinate red north american birds?
2008-02-05 17:03 < ceil420> i'd rather just assassinate cardinals, and anyone that fills their post
2008-02-05 17:04 < MessedRawker> gwern, i created a torrent, i uploaded the .torrent file to a tracker, and yet my client doesn't recognize that i am the seed
2008-02-05 17:04 < ceil420> NotACow, har har
2008-02-05 17:04 < White_Cat> MessedRawker because you are an infidel :P
2008-02-05 17:08 < White_Cat> ceil420 well
2008-02-05 17:08 < White_Cat> mideval era was quite interesting
2008-02-05 17:08 < White_Cat> women were bargining chips
2008-02-05 17:09 < Arwen> I thought they were cattle?
2008-02-05 17:09 < White_Cat> oh no
2008-02-05 17:09 < ceil420> heh
2008-02-05 17:09 < ceil420> you eat cattle
2008-02-05 17:09 < White_Cat> princesses were very influencal
2008-02-05 17:09 < ceil420> <_<
2008-02-05 17:09 < gwern> did a women buy you in at a poker game?
2008-02-05 17:09 < gwern> ceil420: you can eat women!
2008-02-05 17:09 < White_Cat> ceil420 you can eat women too
2008-02-05 17:09 < ceil420> i mean as sustenance :p
2008-02-05 17:11 < White_Cat> well
2008-02-05 17:11 < White_Cat> that can be used as sustinance
2008-02-05 17:11 < White_Cat> its high in protein I'd assume
2008-02-05 17:11 < White_Cat> bad for your colestrole...
2008-02-05 17:12 < White_Cat> so it must be good
2008-02-05 17:13 < ceil420> heh
2008-02-05 17:13 < TheWeasel> Ello
2008-02-05 17:13 < TheWeasel> Vote early and often, kids.
2008-02-05 17:14 < mavhc> adults: Stay Indoors!
2008-02-05 17:15 < TheWeasel> Someone from the CIA will be right over.
2008-02-05 17:15 < White_Cat> CIA?
2008-02-05 17:15 < OverlordQ> I admit I was un-American and didn't change my voters registration so I didn't vote
2008-02-05 17:15 < mavhc> I am unamerican, so I won't vote
2008-02-05 17:16 < Huntster> TheWeasel, I think the Feds may have something to say if you tried to vote "often" today.
2008-02-05 17:16 < Huntster> :)
2008-02-05 17:16 < The359> An election?
2008-02-05 17:16 < The359> Again?
2008-02-05 17:16 < TheWeasel> Here you're automatically registered to vote, I like it.
2008-02-05 17:16 < TheWeasel> Yep yep
2008-02-05 17:16 < The359> Fuck that noise, I've done one already
2008-02-05 17:16 < MessedRawker> The359, presidential primaries
2008-02-05 17:16 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-05 17:16 < MessedRawker> for several states
2008-02-05 17:16 < OverlordQ> SUPAR TUESDAY
2008-02-05 17:16 * The359 is joking
2008-02-05 17:16 < Gracenotes> including NY, woot
2008-02-05 17:16 < MessedRawker> today is also mardi gras
2008-02-05 17:16 * The359 doesn't vote so as it is
2008-02-05 17:16 < MessedRawker> super duper tuesday
2008-02-05 17:16 < TheWeasel> In East Germany, the police came to remind you if you hadn't "voted" around five p.m.
2008-02-05 17:17 < Huntster> heh, I like how Fox News has kept expanding the "Super Tuesday" phrase over the past couple of weeks.
2008-02-05 17:17 < TheWeasel> better put "remind" in quotes as well
2008-02-05 17:17 < Huntster> I think Shepard Smith had it up to six words at one point.
2008-02-05 17:17 < MessedRawker> Huntster, "Super Hitlercrat Tuesday"?
2008-02-05 17:17 * The359 notes my state doesn't participate today so as it is
2008-02-05 17:17 < Huntster> "Vote Republican Tuesday"
2008-02-05 17:18 < TheWeasel> Hitlercrat Hussein Obama Tuesday
2008-02-05 17:18 < Huntster> So long as it isn't Hillary; we don't need to extend the Clinton/Bush dynasties any longer.
2008-02-05 17:19 < TheWeasel> Well, not much of a choice then
2008-02-05 17:19 < TheWeasel> thats a funny thing to say "any Democrat is fine as long as it's not Hillary"
2008-02-05 17:19 < Huntster> Choice? Who needs choice when the Gov't can tell you who to vote for?
2008-02-05 17:19 < Aqwis2> mike gravel for president
2008-02-05 17:19 < TheWeasel> that's like saying "I don't mind any type of numbers, except even ones"
2008-02-05 17:19 < MessedRawker> i'm voting for stalin
2008-02-05 17:19 < Huntster> No, "any Democrat" is not fine. Vote Romney....
2008-02-05 17:21 * The359 votes for Kodos
2008-02-05 17:21 < TheWeasel> http://maps.google.com/maps/mpl?moduleurl=http://www.google.com/mapfiles/mapplets/elections/2008/primary/primaries.xml&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-google-mp&utm_term=decision2008
2008-02-05 17:21 < Gracenotes> Kim il-sung
2008-02-05 17:21 * TheWeasel votes for Pedro
2008-02-05 17:21 < Gracenotes> <2
2008-02-05 17:21 < Gracenotes> >3:
2008-02-05 17:22 < Gracenotes> thank you, dircbot
2008-02-05 17:22 < TheWeasel> v4
2008-02-05 17:22 < Mike_H> * TheWeasel votes for Pedro
2008-02-05 17:22 < Mike_H> oh no you di'int
2008-02-05 17:23 * OverlordQ votes for Hastur
2008-02-05 17:23 < OverlordQ> Hastur, Hast . . :D
2008-02-05 17:24 < gwern> 'I did consider naming all my systems after Cthulu mythos entities, but then I realized I would have to be able to type them frequently and fairly easily and "ping nyarlathotep" or "ssh into Hziulquoigmnzhah" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue (at least not the human one).'
2008-02-05 17:24 < TheWeasel> Hastert?
2008-02-05 17:24 < gwern> I was going to vote today, but then I discovered it was too late to re-register as a democrat :(
2008-02-05 17:24 < gwern> Hastur?
2008-02-05 17:25 < OverlordQ> the one who is not to be named
2008-02-05 17:25 < TheWeasel> Dennis Hastert is Voldemort now?
2008-02-05 17:26 < gwern> Hastur/Voldemort '08! Why choose the lesser of two evils?
2008-02-05 17:27 < TheWeasel> Voldemort has already infiltrated the Ministry of Muggles anyway
2008-02-05 17:28 < MessedRawker> hi poor ed poor
2008-02-05 17:34 < TheWeasel> Republicans put emphasis on West Virginia of all places.
2008-02-05 17:35 < Demi> Du! Du hast! Du Hastert!
2008-02-05 17:36 < gwern> Ia! Ia, shubHastert of the dark Virginias!
2008-02-05 17:37 < Cyrius> hastert hastert hastert
2008-02-05 17:37 < Stormscape> So I went to the local mall with my PSP today. I found 22 networks with WEP protection. 3 unprotected networks, and only the dollar store had WPA. Fun times.
2008-02-05 17:38 < TheWeasel> Du hastert mich gefragtert!