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2008-02-05 04:36 < rohan> hi..
2008-02-05 04:36 < rohan> does someone know the answer to this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous#Mobile_phone_technologies_in_US.2FEurope.2FAsia_etc. ?
2008-02-05 04:37 < Doc_glasgow> nope
2008-02-05 04:48 < mammix> Hi
2008-02-05 04:48 < bumm13> hi
2008-02-05 04:56 < bumm13> hiya Mark_Ryan
2008-02-05 04:57 < Mark_Ryan> hullo
2008-02-05 05:06 < Lubaf> I just hope Hillary loses today.
2008-02-05 05:10 < zocky> if you ask for a glass of water in an american bar, do you always get it, usually get it, sometimes get it, never get it or what?
2008-02-05 05:11 * brown_cat_nap hides behind Mark_Ryan
2008-02-05 05:11 < zocky> (as in tap water for free)
2008-02-05 05:11 < brown_cat_nap> the thunder is scary :'(
2008-02-05 05:12 < Lubaf> zocky: Depends.
2008-02-05 05:13 < zocky> on?
2008-02-05 05:13 < Lubaf> They'll probably steer you towards soda (non-alcholic and they make a profit from it), unless you're with a paying customer.
2008-02-05 05:13 < Lubaf> Or are already one.
2008-02-05 05:14 < zocky> apparently, it's now illegal in scotland for them to refuse you a glass of water
2008-02-05 05:14 < zocky> which is as should be
2008-02-05 05:14 < Lubaf> zocky: Makes sense.
2008-02-05 05:14 < zocky> i mean, what kind of a person denies a glass of water to somebody who asks for it?
2008-02-05 05:14 < Lubaf> zocky: Well, again, depends on the circumstances.
2008-02-05 05:15 < zocky> Lubaf, in what circumstances you wouldn't give a glass of water to somebody?
2008-02-05 05:15 < Lubaf> zocky: If it doesn't look like you'll be (or be with) a paying customer.
2008-02-05 05:16 < zocky> Lubaf, it has nothing to do with customers and paying
2008-02-05 05:16 < zocky> person A has water, person B asks for some, person A says "no"?!?!?
2008-02-05 05:16 < Dp67> It's been ages since I went to a bar but last time I went I got soda for free because I was the designated driver. That being the case, I'm sure water would have been free as well.
2008-02-05 05:16 < Lubaf> Dp67: Sounds about right.
2008-02-05 05:17 < Lubaf> The take on soda is much less than on alcohol, and it gives the owner an edge when it comes time to review his liquor license.
2008-02-05 05:17 < zocky> really?
2008-02-05 05:17 < zocky> here they make more money on soda than on alcohol
2008-02-05 05:17 < Dp67> mind you bar coke is pretty close to bubbly water.. Just a little color to make it look like coke.. lol
2008-02-05 05:17 < zocky> since alcohol is not that cheap to buy, and soda is
2008-02-05 05:18 < Lubaf> zocky: Even if it weren't cheap, the liquor license thing is quite valuable.
2008-02-05 05:19 < Mike_H> The fourth day of New York Fashion Week debuted few daring designs even from designers known for such work. With few exceptions, the overwhelming theme was "old is new" and that the '70s were even more in fashion than the shows on Sunday suggested.
2008-02-05 05:19 < Mike_H> Among the designers to unveil their Fall 2008 lines on Monday were Oscar de la Renta, Carolina Herrera, Betsey Johnson, Proenza Schouler and a rejuvenated Halston line, under the direction of designer Marco Zanini.
2008-02-05 05:19 * Mike_H headdesk
2008-02-05 05:19 < zocky> typically, a bottle of soda costs 1/2 of a bottle of beer in bars here, in bars
2008-02-05 05:19 < Mike_H> I don't want to write this article :(
2008-02-05 05:19 < zocky> in shops, it's more like 5:1
2008-02-05 05:20 < zocky> of course, nothing makes money like coffee
2008-02-05 05:21 < Dp67> soda is even cheaper if its fountain soda compared to bottled/canned soda.
2008-02-05 05:21 < zocky> you can make 36 espressos = 48 euros out of a 100g packet of coffee, which costs 0.75euros
2008-02-05 05:21 < zocky> ah yeah, the vile fountain soda
2008-02-05 05:21 < zocky> we get that crap too
2008-02-05 05:21 < zocky> it's illegal in croatia
2008-02-05 05:21 < loader> I want that packet of 100g coffee for 0.75 euros :)
2008-02-05 05:22 < zocky> loader, that's the normal price here
2008-02-05 05:22 < Dp67> they cut the hell out of it with water too.. colored tonic water is about all it is.
2008-02-05 05:22 < zocky> anyway, in croatia, they have to open all bottles at your table, apart from wine
2008-02-05 05:22 < Lubaf> zocky: Regardless, it's probably worth more in terms of liquor license renewal than it is in terms of profit lost.
2008-02-05 05:22 < loader> here it costs about 2 euro
2008-02-05 05:22 < loader> or 3
2008-02-05 05:23 < Lubaf> loader: It might be of a different quality than yours.
2008-02-05 05:23 < loader> hmm usual nescafe...
2008-02-05 05:23 < zocky> not nescafe :)
2008-02-05 05:23 < zocky> that costs 2-3 euros here too
2008-02-05 05:23 < zocky> actual ground coffee
2008-02-05 05:23 < loader> aaahh
2008-02-05 05:23 < Lubaf> I was right; different quality stuff.
2008-02-05 05:23 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-02-05 05:23 < zocky> the kind you use to make espresso
2008-02-05 05:24 < loader> I see. :)
2008-02-05 05:24 < Lubaf> Here's hoping Hillary loses.
2008-02-05 05:24 < zocky> without the defoaming agents :)
2008-02-05 05:24 < ALLSTARecho> nescafe? havent seen that name in a while
2008-02-05 05:24 < bumm13> Dp67: McDonald's fountain drink are only about a notch above colored tonic water :P
2008-02-05 05:24 < bumm13> *drinks
2008-02-05 05:24 < Lubaf> bumm13: Actually, a notch below, sometimes.
2008-02-05 05:25 * Lubaf remembers the time that the CO2 ran out.
2008-02-05 05:25 < zocky> you get more-or-less normal coke in mcdonald's here
2008-02-05 05:25 < zocky> apart from the one at the railway station, which is dodgy otherwise too
2008-02-05 05:26 * Lubaf wonders if there exists a more horrible drink than Orange Soda.
2008-02-05 05:26 < Lubaf> The most disgusting drink I know of.
2008-02-05 05:26 < Dp67> Fast-food soda is the worst unless it's serve yourself.. They give you about 95% ice and a splash of soda. If you ask for no ice they give you a dirty look or try to play the I forgot game..
2008-02-05 05:26 < zocky> where "orange"=color, not ingredient
2008-02-05 05:26 < Lubaf> zocky: More or less.
2008-02-05 05:27 < Dp67> 2 sips through a McD's garden hose straw and it's gone.. lol
2008-02-05 05:27 < jerkface03> Business_Software_Alliance
2008-02-05 05:27 < jerkface03> someone look at the last line of the intro
2008-02-05 05:27 < jerkface03> does that statement look out of place?
2008-02-05 05:28 < loader> People! Let's drink tea!
2008-02-05 05:28 < zocky> "BSA has no legal authority. Nobody can legally enter your property without a search warrant from a court."
2008-02-05 05:28 < OverlordQ> jerkface03: just a bit
2008-02-05 05:28 < zocky> it is out of place the way it's written now, yes
2008-02-05 05:29 < zocky> it is pertinent, though
2008-02-05 05:29 < jerkface03> seems like something that needs to go in the critiscm section
2008-02-05 05:29 < zocky> BSA agents do pretend to have legal authority
2008-02-05 05:29 < jerkface03> and possibly be expanded on
2008-02-05 05:29 < jerkface03> yes we all know
2008-02-05 05:29 < jerkface03> and we all hate the BSA
2008-02-05 05:29 < jerkface03> that's no excuse for a crapply arranged article
2008-02-05 05:29 < jerkface03> if my english wasn't so horrible i'd make a stab at editting it
2008-02-05 05:31 * Lubaf looks at the list of ingredients in this grape drink: "Sugar, water, purple"
2008-02-05 05:32 * OverlordQ wants purple, sounds tasty
2008-02-05 05:33 < loader> sounds like chemistry
2008-02-05 05:33 < jerkface03> sounds like someone taking too many hits of acid
2008-02-05 05:33 < jerkface03> im going to sleep
2008-02-05 05:33 < jerkface03> good night.
2008-02-05 05:33 < Dp67> OverlordQ, if its any comfort, your nick shows up purple.. lol
2008-02-05 05:33 < loader> gn
2008-02-05 05:34 < loader> what means 'hit of acid'?
2008-02-05 05:34 < Dp67> a dose of LSD
2008-02-05 05:35 < loader> aahh
2008-02-05 05:35 < loader> clearly
2008-02-05 05:35 < Dp67> Lysergic acid diethylamide to be exact..
2008-02-05 05:36 < Dp67> hence the nickname 'acid'
2008-02-05 05:36 < loader> there many meanings of word 'acid'
2008-02-05 05:36 < loader> in dictionary
2008-02-05 05:36 < loader> hmm
2008-02-05 05:37 < loader> i didn't knew much of them
2008-02-05 05:37 < Dp67> in chemistry yes.. but acid is the street name for LSD
2008-02-05 05:37 < loader> especially that it means LSD
2008-02-05 05:37 < loader> I understand.
2008-02-05 05:39 < loader> There are many interesing words in english...
2008-02-05 05:39 < loader> Which have unusual meanings
2008-02-05 05:42 < Dp67> english is a load of mixed languages.. That's why threre is a dozen words for the same thing, or a dozen things for the same word.. lol
2008-02-05 05:45 < loader> i like slang of russian IT workers... They don't speak russian... It is impossible mix of russian and comuter terms in english
2008-02-05 05:46 < loader> *computer terms
2008-02-05 06:22 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-02-05 06:27 < arcimboldo_> Ah, today will be the great day of Mike Gravel and Ron Paul.
2008-02-05 06:28 < Mike_H> today will be the great day of Sandy Ordonez interviewing Jaslene
2008-02-05 06:37 < MikeSeth> guise, someone plz revert Israel article
2008-02-05 06:38 < MikeSeth> someone blanked it and the bot screwd it up
2008-02-05 06:39 < ALLSTARecho> how'd the bot screw it up? looks correct to me
2008-02-05 06:40 < MikeSeth> you tell me, the page is blank right now
2008-02-05 06:40 * Mike_H collapses on top of ALLSTARecho
2008-02-05 06:40 < Mike_H> so...tirezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
2008-02-05 06:41 < ALLSTARecho> it's not blank for me
2008-02-05 06:41 < MikeSeth> it's blank to me indeed
2008-02-05 06:41 < ALLSTARecho> i just reloaded it again and again, it's still not blank to me.. purge
2008-02-05 06:41 < loader> what the page?
2008-02-05 06:42 < MikeSeth> nope same shit
2008-02-05 06:42 < MikeSeth> sec, making screenshot
2008-02-05 06:42 < ALLSTARecho> [[Israel]] ?
2008-02-05 06:42 < loader> it is really blank
2008-02-05 06:43 < ALLSTARecho> hrmm
2008-02-05 06:43 < ALLSTARecho> wonder why it's showing for me
2008-02-05 06:43 < MikeSeth> yeah
2008-02-05 06:43 < MikeSeth> someone do a manual revert or something
2008-02-05 06:43 < loader> maybe it is cached in your browser?
2008-02-05 06:44 < MikeSeth> maybe its load balancing problem?
2008-02-05 06:44 < ALLSTARecho> it can't be cached since i've never been to this article
2008-02-05 06:45 < loader> ohh
2008-02-05 06:45 < arcimboldo_> It's definitely not blank for me.
2008-02-05 06:45 < loader> for now it opens
2008-02-05 06:45 < arcimboldo_> Perhaps it's censored in your country ...
2008-02-05 06:45 < loader> lol
2008-02-05 06:46 < ALLSTARecho> several countries since several are saying it's blanked ??
2008-02-05 06:46 < ALLSTARecho> maybe another ship cut the internet cables again off the coast of Egypt
2008-02-05 06:46 < MikeSeth> arcimboldo_: I am in Israel.
2008-02-05 06:46 < loader> I'll be bound it didn't opened in munute before
2008-02-05 06:47 < loader> but for now it opens. anyway
2008-02-05 06:47 < MikeSeth> opens for me too now
2008-02-05 06:47 < MikeSeth> edit propagation between databases or smth?
2008-02-05 06:47 < loader> maybe...
2008-02-05 06:48 < MikeSeth> hmpf
2008-02-05 06:48 < MikeSeth> ok thanks anyway
2008-02-05 06:49 * brown_cat_nap has a dirty thought
2008-02-05 06:49 < loader> where you have been cat?
2008-02-05 06:49 < loader> :)
2008-02-05 06:50 < brown_cat_nap> loader: places you don't wanna see
2008-02-05 06:50 < loader> huhu
2008-02-05 06:50 < loader> are they so awful?
2008-02-05 06:52 < brown_cat_nap> loader: they would make you cringe
2008-02-05 06:53 < loader> really? I have seen many places in my life. Maybe that one is not so terrible?
2008-02-05 06:53 < Mike_H> brown_cat_nap: loader is from Russia. He wins the "what's more terrible" game if you're playing against him.
2008-02-05 06:54 < loader> No, Mike, I'm not from Russia
2008-02-05 06:54 < loader> really
2008-02-05 06:54 < loader> :)
2008-02-05 06:54 < loader> And Russia is not so terrible as you imaginize
2008-02-05 06:55 < zvook> depends
2008-02-05 06:55 < brown_cat_nap> loader: I agree, t.a.t.u are from there :p
2008-02-05 06:55 < arcimboldo_> Ukraine is not Russia.
2008-02-05 06:55 < loader> oohh you have heart those lesbians...
2008-02-05 06:55 < loader> *heard
2008-02-05 06:55 < loader> sorry
2008-02-05 06:55 < loader> :)
2008-02-05 06:55 < Mike_H> oh, Americans can't tell the difference between those offshoots.
2008-02-05 06:55 < Mike_H> You're lucky we don't call it "over there" with a dismissive wave
2008-02-05 06:55 < brown_cat_nap> loader: <3 them :p
2008-02-05 06:55 < arcimboldo_> They're just fake lesbian to attract attention, isn't it?
2008-02-05 06:55 < brown_cat_nap> no
2008-02-05 06:56 < brown_cat_nap> she gor pregnant from being a lesbian
2008-02-05 06:56 < brown_cat_nap> *got
2008-02-05 06:56 < TheLetterE> whoa whoa whoa good evening all
2008-02-05 06:56 < loader> <arcimboldo_> I really can't say exactly... Maybe
2008-02-05 06:56 < brown_cat_nap> TheLetterE: would you like to be pregnant?
2008-02-05 06:56 < TheLetterE> brown_cat_nap: certainly not, seeing i am a male :)
2008-02-05 06:56 < brown_cat_nap> TheLetterE: you can push it out of there
2008-02-05 06:57 < brown_cat_nap> it will be slightly uncomfortable
2008-02-05 06:57 < TheLetterE> brown_cat_nap: haha, wouldnt be too much of a sight
2008-02-05 06:57 < brown_cat_nap> xD
2008-02-05 06:57 < loader> <arcimboldo_> Actually I just study in Ukraine
2008-02-05 06:58 < TheLetterE> how was your day though brown_cat?
2008-02-05 06:58 < arcimboldo_> So you are from Belarus or Moldova?
2008-02-05 06:58 < loader> And Ukraine is very similar to Russia.
2008-02-05 06:59 < loader> I'm citizen of Uzbekistan
2008-02-05 06:59 < arcimboldo_> I see
2008-02-05 06:59 < loader> But I'm russian :)
2008-02-05 06:59 < brown_cat> xD
2008-02-05 07:00 < brown_cat> your are a transsnassional?
2008-02-05 07:00 < loader> International :)
2008-02-05 07:00 < arcimboldo_> An ethnic Russian who is a Uzbek citizen and lives in Ukraine.
2008-02-05 07:01 < loader> I have born in USSR :)
2008-02-05 07:01 < arcimboldo_> That matches my three options when I get asked "where are you from?"
2008-02-05 07:01 < loader> :)
2008-02-05 07:02 < loader> But USSR doesn't exist now
2008-02-05 07:03 < JessicaTaylor> It should
2008-02-05 07:04 < loader> ???
2008-02-05 07:07 < Zach> too many uncle_eds in here
2008-02-05 07:08 < arcimboldo_> It won't help Mick Huckabee even if there are a thousand.
2008-02-05 07:09 < Doc_glasgow> so, who wins?
2008-02-05 07:09 < Doc_glasgow> I hear you mericans are picking a President today
2008-02-05 07:13 < JessicaTaylor> lol
2008-02-05 07:13 < JessicaTaylor> nobody cares about America
2008-02-05 07:13 < JessicaTaylor> Americans just think everyone cares about it :\
2008-02-05 07:14 < bumm13> that should be plenty :P
2008-02-05 07:14 < JessicaTaylor> What was the point of that
2008-02-05 07:18 < Mark_Ryan> should this article be deleted for not asserting the notability of the subject? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novie_Edwards
2008-02-05 07:18 < AndonicO> I'll check.
2008-02-05 07:18 < Mark_Ryan> or for having no substantial content aside from a list? [[WP:NOT]] IMDb
2008-02-05 07:19 < arcimboldo_> Doc_glasgow: As I said, it will certainly be Mike Gravel against Ron Paul.
2008-02-05 07:19 < AndonicO> Mark_Ryan: It should be expanded rather than deleted, I think.
2008-02-05 07:20 < ceil420> lol
2008-02-05 07:20 < Mark_Ryan> AndonicO: add to this the knowledge that the article subject would prefer not to have an article
2008-02-05 07:20 < ceil420> Mike Gravel has as much of a chance of getting Democratic backing as Ron Paul does with the Republicans
2008-02-05 07:20 < ceil420> which is too bad, because they're my favourite candidates :p
2008-02-05 07:21 < AndonicO> Mark_Ryan: Really?
2008-02-05 07:22 < Mark_Ryan> AndonicO: yes.
2008-02-05 07:23 < AndonicO> Can you link me to where she says that? Or is it not online?
2008-02-05 07:23 < Mark_Ryan> do you have OTRS access?
2008-02-05 07:23 < AndonicO> No, I don't.
2008-02-05 07:23 < Mark_Ryan> then no, I can't :)
2008-02-05 07:23 < AndonicO> :P
2008-02-05 07:24 < Mark_Ryan> as I understand it, in cases of borderline notability, the wishes of the subject are important, right?
2008-02-05 07:24 < Mark_Ryan> didn't Jimbo delete [[Daniel Brandt]] with that rationale?
2008-02-05 07:24 < AndonicO> Yeah, I'm deleting now.
2008-02-05 07:25 < Mark_Ryan> you can cite ticket number 2008012910018251 if you like
2008-02-05 07:25 < AndonicO> Lol. :P
2008-02-05 07:25 < AndonicO> Is that the OTRS number?
2008-02-05 07:26 < Snowolf> yes
2008-02-05 07:26 < Mark_Ryan> it's actually a reference to the exact time the person's email arrived in the system
2008-02-05 07:26 < Mark_Ryan> in this case 29 January
2008-02-05 07:27 < AndonicO> Ah, okay.
2008-02-05 07:27 < AndonicO> I've deleted.
2008-02-05 07:27 < Mark_Ryan> thank you. :)
2008-02-05 07:27 < AndonicO> It was no tribble at all. ;)
2008-02-05 07:27 < AndonicO> </Star Trek>
2008-02-05 07:28 * JessicaTaylor shivers
2008-02-05 07:28 < JessicaTaylor> Start trek is strange
2008-02-05 07:29 < AndonicO> Very, but good at the same time.
2008-02-05 07:32 < uncle_ed> Zach, I'm the only one. Is my IRC client acting up?
2008-02-05 07:33 < uncle_ed> Please advise me: I'm what liberals like to call an "ignorant, easily led Christian"
2008-02-05 07:34 < Mark_Ryan> uncle_ed: do you have to be a liberal to have that opinion about Christians?
2008-02-05 07:35 < Mark_Ryan> I don't subscribe to the view that Christianity = conservatism
2008-02-05 07:35 * uncle_ed LOL @ Mark_Ryan
2008-02-05 07:35 < AndonicO> Err...
2008-02-05 07:35 < arcimboldo_> err ...
2008-02-05 07:35 < kila> brown_cat: change your sig. its annoying the crap out of me.
2008-02-05 07:36 < brown_cat> kila: what is it?
2008-02-05 07:36 < Mark_Ryan> I'm sure there are lots of very very conservative Muslims (in fact I just answered about 15 emails from some denouncing us for showing images of Muhammad)
2008-02-05 07:36 * Pumpmeup snuggles the crap out of brown_cat
2008-02-05 07:36 < uncle_ed> Mark, it's probably not an important question unless it has a bearing on how to right about left-right politics in America
2008-02-05 07:36 < uncle_ed> *how to WRITE
2008-02-05 07:36 < AndonicO> Mark_Ryan: Was the Mohammad image edit war ever settled?
2008-02-05 07:37 * brown_cat cuddles Pumpmeup
2008-02-05 07:37 < Mark_Ryan> AndonicO: I think it was settled in favour of keeping them in the article...
2008-02-05 07:37 < brown_cat> Mark_Ryan: so uploading pd images of muhummad pole dancing is out of the question? xD
2008-02-05 07:37 < Mark_Ryan> uncle_ed: are you having troubles editing US political articles?
2008-02-05 07:37 < kila> brown_cat: the "talk to symode09's or How's My Driving"
2008-02-05 07:37 < uncle_ed> Must we defy them by showing images blatantly?
2008-02-05 07:37 * Mark_Ryan shrugs
2008-02-05 07:37 < brown_cat> kila: ohh, srry, I know, it pisses me off to, I can't think of anything unique :(
2008-02-05 07:38 < arcimboldo_> uncle_ed: I've always been amazed how those right-wing christians connect Jesus Christ's tellings to being pro-guns and pro-death penalty ...
2008-02-05 07:38 < uncle_ed> How about confining must images to an article about the *controversy* over images?
2008-02-05 07:38 < arcimboldo_> It's just completely out of tune.
2008-02-05 07:38 < Mark_Ryan> I wasn't involved in the discussion at all
2008-02-05 07:38 < brown_cat> Mark_Ryan: As I have said in the past, I believe we should censor Wikipedia for liability reasons, then sell it off to Dow Chemicals :)
2008-02-05 07:38 < uncle_ed> Is there an article on common Christian political positions?
2008-02-05 07:38 < Mark_Ryan> arcimboldo_: you're forgetting, the right to bear arms is God-given... apparently...
2008-02-05 07:38 < kila> brown_cat: lol its not myspace or anything.. just make it symode09
2008-02-05 07:38 < arcimboldo_> but just apparently ...
2008-02-05 07:39 < brown_cat> kila: hahaha, I hate symode09 - it is my school username -_- I hate it so much
2008-02-05 07:39 < kila> brown_cat: so at least put something resembling a sig!
2008-02-05 07:40 < uncle_ed> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Christianity has not even a redirect. Nor does [[Christianity and politics
2008-02-05 07:40 < brown_cat> kila: what is your wikipedia username?
2008-02-05 07:40 * uncle_ed is too hasty again
2008-02-05 07:40 < uncle_ed> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_politics
2008-02-05 07:40 < kila> brown_cat: Ali_K
2008-02-05 07:40 < brown_cat> k :)
2008-02-05 07:40 < uncle_ed> Google is not case sensitive, but Wikipedia is (sigh)
2008-02-05 07:40 < Mark_Ryan> uncle_ed: it must be a very wide topic
2008-02-05 07:41 < Mark_Ryan> it's not case sensitive in the search/go box
2008-02-05 07:41 < Warpath> O_O
2008-02-05 07:42 * brown_cat slaps Warpath
2008-02-05 07:42 < uncle_ed> arcimboldo, perhaps the linkage is more a reaction to the connection between American conservativism and Christianity, in turn reacting to the 'anti-gun', anti-death penalty politics of liberals
2008-02-05 07:42 < Mark_Ryan> as many of the people emailing Wikimedia about the Muhammad pictures thing point out, it's against the islamic faith to display pictures of *any* living creatures, not just Muhammad
2008-02-05 07:43 < uncle_ed> How does the Arabic version of Wikipedia handle images?
2008-02-05 07:43 < bumm13> Muslims need to live in reality a bit ;p
2008-02-05 07:43 < JessicaTaylor> bye bye
2008-02-05 07:43 < Mark_Ryan> I really have no idea.
2008-02-05 07:44 < Mark_Ryan> bye JessicaTaylor!
2008-02-05 07:44 < arcimboldo_> uncle_ed: Yep, it's the American connection ... where Christianity unfortunately is connected with being almost irrationally right-wing.
2008-02-05 07:44 < JessicaTaylor> see ya !
2008-02-05 07:44 < uncle_ed> Sounds like a case of "sensitivity"
2008-02-05 07:44 < Mark_Ryan> lol, jessicaTaylor was using my ISP, that's a first time for me
2008-02-05 07:44 < uncle_ed> Is Christianity necessarily irrational? And even if you think so, how can we write about it in a neutral way?
2008-02-05 07:45 < ALLSTARecho> anyone working AIV?
2008-02-05 07:45 < Mark_Ryan> there is a photo of a cat on the Arabic Wikipedia page for the cat: http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%82%D8%B7%D8%A9
2008-02-05 07:45 < arcimboldo_> uncle_ed: I've never said that, if you read my sentence more carefully ...
2008-02-05 07:46 < uncle_ed> I didn't say you said that, if you read my sentence more carefully ;-)
2008-02-05 07:46 < Mark_Ryan> that's quite a funky background they've got on the Arabic Wikipedia
2008-02-05 07:47 < uncle_ed> My extensive reading on left-right issues reveals to me that many on each side view the other side as irrational.
2008-02-05 07:48 < pengo> Mark_Ryan: it's quite traditional.. they've used backgrounds like that since before they were called backgrounds
2008-02-05 07:48 < Fabexplosive> hey Mark_Ryan
2008-02-05 07:48 < arcimboldo_> I'm just having difficulties with Christians being the most stubborn pro-military pro-guns pro-death penalty people, I can't find any justification for that in its scriptures ...
2008-02-05 07:48 * pengo thumbs through "web pages of the 11th and 12th centuries"
2008-02-05 07:48 < uncle_ed> Many political issues are highly polarized. Internationally, there's a wide split over "alleged" Nazi genocide.
2008-02-05 07:49 < arcimboldo_> uncle_ed: I don't know too many people who doubt the genocide, except for the Iranian president.
2008-02-05 07:50 < uncle_ed> Ever watch Egyptian TV during Ramadan?
2008-02-05 07:50 < arcimboldo_> no, you?
2008-02-05 07:50 < uncle_ed> Big difference between "large numbers of people believe" and "I don't know too many people who ..."
2008-02-05 07:51 < arcimboldo_> So what does Egyptian TV tell during Ramadan?
2008-02-05 07:51 * brown_cat sent kila a message :)
2008-02-05 07:51 < uncle_ed> How can we write about the number of people who are Holocaust deniers?
2008-02-05 07:51 < Mark_Ryan> perhaps we could make them a subcategory of mental illnesses
2008-02-05 07:52 * arcimboldo_ just remembers the truths Fox TV announced in the preparation of the Iraq war ...
2008-02-05 07:55 < uncle_ed> Like global warming deniers?
2008-02-05 07:56 < arcimboldo_> back at your favorit topic ...
2008-02-05 07:56 < uncle_ed> Perhaps there are political aspects to Holocaust denial. The Wikipedia article on the topic is a little vague there.
2008-02-05 07:56 < arcimboldo_> +e
2008-02-05 07:56 < Mark_Ryan> uncle_ed: global warming is pretty well proven, the big question is whether it's a normal cyclical thing or human-caused
2008-02-05 07:57 < pengo> the human caused bit is fairly certain also
2008-02-05 07:57 < arcimboldo_> Just that the likelihood of it being human-caused is pretty high ...
2008-02-05 07:57 < uncle_ed> Yes, Mark. There's no question in the scientific world as to whether the air is one degree Fahrenheit warmer since 1850.
2008-02-05 07:57 < uncle_ed> It's the [[global warming theory]] which is at issue.
2008-02-05 07:57 < Mark_Ryan> pengo: yeah, I'm just saying that is where most of the controversy exists
2008-02-05 07:57 < uncle_ed> I'd like to see two separate articles: (1) on the history of warmings (and coolings)
2008-02-05 07:58 < uncle_ed> The other on what CAUSED all those historical warmings - and what might be causing the current one.
2008-02-05 07:58 < pengo> so what about monkey drives
2008-02-05 07:58 < uncle_ed> When I google the topic, I find disparate answers
2008-02-05 07:59 < Mark_Ryan> I read an article recently about the stalemate between North and South Korea. it said that in North Korea, it is popular belief that South Korea has built a huge wall all along the border with North Korea, in the same style as the Berlin Wall
2008-02-05 07:59 < Mark_Ryan> whereas the wall doesn't exist.
2008-02-05 07:59 < pengo> i found an article worse than one of my own stubs today.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pottage
2008-02-05 07:59 < uncle_ed> Also, the terminology needs clarification. Most political uses of the term "global warming" include the meaning of "global warming theory", i.e., the claim that most modern warming is human-caused.
2008-02-05 08:00 < Sfan00> Hello
2008-02-05 08:00 < Mark_Ryan> hi Sfan00 :)
2008-02-05 08:00 < Sfan00> Some assistance on Wikinews would be appreciated
2008-02-05 08:00 < uncle_ed> pengo, there is an even split between Democrats and Republicans on the "human caused bit".
2008-02-05 08:01 < Sfan00> In relation to : http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Story_preparation/Obituaries
2008-02-05 08:01 < pengo> uncle_ed: american politicians are idiots
2008-02-05 08:01 < Sfan00> I am needing someone willing to write some stub obits :)
2008-02-05 08:01 < pengo> and/or corrupt
2008-02-05 08:01 < Sfan00> Or at the very least help expand the list a bit :)
2008-02-05 08:01 < uncle_ed> Mark, how would we in the West know anything about North Korean popular beliefs?
2008-02-05 08:02 < bumm13> of course, no other countries' politicians could possibly be corrupt or idiots...
2008-02-05 08:02 < uncle_ed> In America, the Congress is trusted even less than the current president, who has less than a 50% approval rating.
2008-02-05 08:03 < arcimboldo_> How could they? Berlusconi and Sarkozy are morally immaculate and free from any personal vanity.
2008-02-05 08:03 < uncle_ed> Will it be a useful side effect of Wikipedia that showing a balanced view (i.e., NPOV) on major political issues will overcome ignorance and corruption?
2008-02-05 08:05 < pengo> bumm13: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kyoto_Protocol_participation_map_2005.png
2008-02-05 08:05 < uncle_ed> Fans of U.S.-style democracy credit the First Amendment with minimizing political corruption. The usual argument is that freedom of speech and press make it much easier to expose and prosecute corruption.
2008-02-05 08:05 < bumm13> and naturally, China has such wonderful environmental standards...
2008-02-05 08:06 < pengo> i'm sure CNN and FOX will out corrupt politicians :/
2008-02-05 08:06 < bumm13> the Kyoto Protocol doesn't interest me much
2008-02-05 08:06 < bumm13> humanity has more immediate concerns
2008-02-05 08:07 < uncle_ed> A joke translated from Russian goes: a man was sentenced to 25 years for calling Khrushchev an ignorant moron (5 years for treason and 30 years for revealing state secrets)
2008-02-05 08:10 < uncle_ed> CNN is liberal, I expect it to out corrupt conservatives. FOX is right of center, so what do you think?
2008-02-05 08:10 < uncle_ed> The question is how to write neutral articles covering both sides of major political issues.
2008-02-05 08:10 < arcimboldo_> "Liberal" relative to other US networks.
2008-02-05 08:11 < arcimboldo_> Fox would considered far right propaganda TV in European terms.
2008-02-05 08:11 < arcimboldo_> +be
2008-02-05 08:11 < uncle_ed> *20 years
2008-02-05 08:12 * arcimboldo_ had been wondering whether the strange math had been part of the joke ...
2008-02-05 08:12 < uncle_ed> Does Wikipedia have a good article on the left-right bias of TV networks in Europe and America?
2008-02-05 08:12 < arcimboldo_> I doubt it.
2008-02-05 08:13 < uncle_ed> arcimboldo, mathematicians say there are 3 kinds of people in the world: those who are good at mental arithmetic, and those who aren't ;-)
2008-02-05 08:15 < uncle_ed> Any article on liberal or conservative bias would have to be carefully balanced, since each side claims it is objective and that it is (chiefly?) the other side which is biased.
2008-02-05 08:15 < Cometstyles> and you ;)
2008-02-05 08:17 < uncle_ed> Well, I'm on indefinite probation for "tendentious editing" ;-)
2008-02-05 08:18 < uncle_ed> I think the nail in the coffin was when I edited the history of China to say that SOME historians believe that Mao killed 20 million or more civilians.
2008-02-05 08:18 < uncle_ed> That was considered pushing a POV.
2008-02-05 08:19 < uncle_ed> I was testing the applicability of an arbcom finding that "well referenced material should not be removed simply because it advances a POV"
2008-02-05 08:20 < uncle_ed> Basically, there's a dilemma: what can you do if hundreds of articles have liberal bias? Adding even a tiny bit of "conservative POV" to a pro-liberal article is considered "pushing" a POV. What I call adding balance seems to be forbidden.
2008-02-05 08:21 * uncle_ed ends his rant and sits down quietly.
2008-02-05 08:21 < Doc_glasgow> Mao was a nice man, you should know that
2008-02-05 08:22 < Mark_Ryan> i read something the other day which said his embalming was a botched job.
2008-02-05 08:22 < uncle_ed> Yes, that *is* the pro-Communist POV of him. The anti-Communist POV labels him a mass murderer on a scale dwarfing Hitler.
2008-02-05 08:22 < arcimboldo_> He certainly hasn't killed 20 million himself ...
2008-02-05 08:23 < NotACow> moo!
2008-02-05 08:23 < NotACow> I HAS VOTED
2008-02-05 08:23 < Doc_glasgow> NotACow: for McCain or Romney?
2008-02-05 08:24 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: no comment
2008-02-05 08:24 < slashem> I claim Godwin's law
2008-02-05 08:24 < Cometstyles> mike godwin ?:)
2008-02-05 08:24 < bumm13> God Godwin
2008-02-05 08:24 < slashem> that would be the one
2008-02-05 08:24 < NotACow> godwin is an asshole
2008-02-05 08:24 < Cometstyles> :O
2008-02-05 08:24 < Doc_glasgow> slashem: are McCain and Romney akin to Hitler and the Nazis>#
2008-02-05 08:24 < Mark_Ryan> so, like, the toolserver is dead. does that mean that the Commons Picture of the Year voting is suspended?
2008-02-05 08:24 < Mark_Ryan> or has that already finished?
2008-02-05 08:24 < slashem> I will not go there doc
2008-02-05 08:25 < Cometstyles> Mark_Ryan, it ended :P
2008-02-05 08:25 < arcimboldo_> It has already finished afaik
2008-02-05 08:25 < arcimboldo_> and the winner is ...
2008-02-05 08:25 < Doc_glasgow> So,we'll know who the next President is soon?
2008-02-05 08:25 < Doc_glasgow> What will her name be?
2008-02-05 08:25 < arcimboldo_> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Broadway_tower_edit.jpg?
2008-02-05 08:26 < arcimboldo_> Doc_glasgow: It will be Hillama McRom for sure.
2008-02-05 08:26 < Cometstyles> ya
2008-02-05 08:26 < Doc_glasgow> I listened to Hillary the other day, she seemed to talk a lot of sense
2008-02-05 08:26 < Doc_glasgow> I'd vote for her
2008-02-05 08:27 < brown_cat> <3 hillary
2008-02-05 08:27 * brown_cat gives Doc_glasgow a cookie
2008-02-05 08:27 * brown_cat runs off to bed
2008-02-05 08:27 < uncle_ed> I thought the election was going to be in November.
2008-02-05 08:27 < Mark_Ryan> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:New_York_City_at_night_HDR.jpg - this came in second, I think I voted for it
2008-02-05 08:27 < slashem> hilary is cynical and ruthless -- exactly what I want in a president
2008-02-05 08:27 < Cometstyles> Mark yeah i use that as my desktop background :)
2008-02-05 08:28 < Doc_glasgow> slashem: and what's wrong with clueless and folksy
2008-02-05 08:28 < Mark_Ryan> Cometstyles: it looks like it's from a computer game
2008-02-05 08:28 < Mark_Ryan> or ''Dark Angel''
2008-02-05 08:28 < Cometstyles> lol XD
2008-02-05 08:28 < Cometstyles> pretty much :0
2008-02-05 08:28 < Mark_Ryan> I'm itching to get my digital camera and try out some faux-HDR compositions
2008-02-05 08:28 < Cometstyles> maybe superman took this ;)
2008-02-05 08:29 < Vote_Hilary> now I'm canvasing
2008-02-05 08:29 < arcimboldo_> Actually, [[Frank Moore (performance artist)]]'s agenda attracts me the most ...
2008-02-05 08:29 < NotACow> isn't he dead?
2008-02-05 08:29 < NotACow> Sir Edmund
2008-02-05 08:29 < NotACow> that is
2008-02-05 08:29 < Vote_Hilary> yup
2008-02-05 08:29 < Vote_Hilary> hung about with Sherpa Tensing
2008-02-05 08:29 < Cometstyles> :S
2008-02-05 08:29 < Vote_Hilary> who was an Bollywood film star
2008-02-05 08:29 < Cometstyles> he died of old age :P
2008-02-05 08:30 < Cometstyles> he was nepalese
2008-02-05 08:30 < Vote_Hilary> Didn't Sherpa kiss richard Gere or something?
2008-02-05 08:30 < Cometstyles> i thot Tensin Norgay O_O
2008-02-05 08:31 < Cometstyles> thats [[Shilpa Sheety]] :P
2008-02-05 08:31 < slashem> sherpa is a job description
2008-02-05 08:31 < Cometstyles> Shetty*
2008-02-05 08:31 < Vote_Hilary> Sherpa was Nepalese
2008-02-05 08:31 < Vote_Hilary> Tensing
2008-02-05 08:31 < slashem> not a name
2008-02-05 08:31 < Vote_Hilary> I know
2008-02-05 08:31 < Mark_Ryan> People keep asking if America is ready for a black president. I think the big question is whether America is ready for a Mormon president, and if so, will the President wear [[temple garment]]s on formal occasions?
2008-02-05 08:31 * brown_cat_nap cuddles Vote_Hilary
2008-02-05 08:31 < Cometstyles> yeah tensing norgay :P
2008-02-05 08:31 < Cometstyles> or something :P
2008-02-05 08:32 < Vote_Hilary> Quite a choice, a woman, a black, a Mormon, or a geriatric
2008-02-05 08:32 < Vote_Hilary> you should stand up for WASPS
2008-02-05 08:32 < Mark_Ryan> pretty diverse field of candidates
2008-02-05 08:32 < slashem> Obama is not a "black" or an "african american" in the sense it is used in the IS
2008-02-05 08:32 < slashem> US
2008-02-05 08:32 < arcimboldo_> "Members of the LDS Church today are commonly clothed in the garments, together with outer temple clothing, for burial."
2008-02-05 08:32 < slashem> he is not the descendent of slaves
2008-02-05 08:33 < Mark_Ryan> slashem: once you go black, you never go back. or so they say.
2008-02-05 08:33 < slashem> politically it's ridiculous
2008-02-05 08:33 < Vote_Hilary> Why can't Bill run again
2008-02-05 08:33 < Mark_Ryan> does one have to be a descendant of the slaves to call oneself 'black' in the US?
2008-02-05 08:33 < Mark_Ryan> Vote_Hilary: he is. do you really think Hilary will be calling the shots if she gets in? lol
2008-02-05 08:34 < slashem> that is the political connotation, it is why all those "black" people want to vote for him, because they think he understands their concerns
2008-02-05 08:34 < Mark_Ryan> his father was a Muslim, wasn't he?
2008-02-05 08:34 < Vote_Hilary> Mark_Ryan: no more than last time, but who'll be smiling near the desk of the Oval Office?
2008-02-05 08:34 < Mark_Ryan> I think the biggest question facing modern America is what to call Bill if Hillary gets elected President
2008-02-05 08:35 < Mark_Ryan> don't you continue to call former presidents "Mr President"?
2008-02-05 08:35 < slashem> The Clinton machine is more than just Bill or Hillary, it is both and a whole lot more besides
2008-02-05 08:35 < slashem> just as the Bush machine was not just W
2008-02-05 08:35 < bumm13> the Bush machine almost excludes W ;p
2008-02-05 08:35 < slashem> W was the public face, not the brains
2008-02-05 08:35 < Vote_Hilary> Bring back Monica
2008-02-05 08:36 * bumm13 slaps Vote_Hilary around a bit with a rotten cod
2008-02-05 08:36 < arcimboldo_> Well, the Obama-Cheney common ancestry was certainly an interesting finding ...
2008-02-05 08:39 * Cometstyles knows bumm13 doesn't want to listen to another burning bush ;)
2008-02-05 08:50 * brown_cat_nap cuddles bumm13
2008-02-05 08:51 < brown_cat_nap> bumm13 seems to have a lot more personality these days :p
2008-02-05 09:09 < Leslie_S> slashem so does that mean cheney is black?
2008-02-05 09:16 < delldot> Hey, does anyone know how to deal with this? If you have an image from one section dip into the section below, it displaces the images in that section and leaves a lot of whitespace (but only in IE)
2008-02-05 09:17 < Mark_Ryan> the solution is to put the images all one after another in the wikitext markup
2008-02-05 09:17 < Mark_Ryan> don't put one in one section and one in the next, put them all in the first section
2008-02-05 09:18 < delldot> Mark_Ryan: Oh, that makes sense, thanks!
2008-02-05 09:18 < Mark_Ryan> no problemo
2008-02-05 09:18 < delldot> But then if you change the width of the window, they'll go up into the wrong section....
2008-02-05 09:18 < Mark_Ryan> yes, it's a pain
2008-02-05 09:18 < delldot> but that's the only way, huh?
2008-02-05 09:19 < slashem> you can insert something like <-> to make the section insert whitespace to the height of the picture
2008-02-05 09:19 < Mark_Ryan> that, or just have them so far apart that only super-high-resolution screens would see the gap
2008-02-05 09:19 < slashem> I can't remember exactly
2008-02-05 09:19 < delldot> cool, cool
2008-02-05 09:19 < delldot> thanks folks!
2008-02-05 09:19 < Mark_Ryan> it annoys us all :P
2008-02-05 09:20 < delldot> :)
2008-02-05 09:24 < Leslie_S> query triona
2008-02-05 09:24 < Leslie_S> oop
2008-02-05 09:51 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-05 09:51 < Cometstyles> woof
2008-02-05 09:51 < slashem> quack
2008-02-05 10:00 < quanticle> meow
2008-02-05 10:00 < slashem> lazy cat
2008-02-05 10:00 < quanticle> slashem: Cats are indeed lazy.
2008-02-05 10:00 < slashem> I consider myself catlike
2008-02-05 10:03 < quanticle> slashem: Some days I consider myself catlike
2008-02-05 10:03 < slashem> sunny days are good
2008-02-05 10:04 < quanticle> Sunny days are extremely good for napping.
2008-02-05 10:16 < NotACow> HAS YOU VOTED YET?
2008-02-05 10:16 < quanticle> NotACow: Minnesota has caucuses.
2008-02-05 10:16 < NotACow> quanticle: SHAME ON THEM
2008-02-05 10:16 * Cometstyles has voted for oprah
2008-02-05 10:16 < quanticle> NotACow: I don't get to caucus until 7pm
2008-02-05 10:17 < NotACow> quanticle: do they have tater tots?
2008-02-05 10:17 < Huntster> I voted for Darth Vader.
2008-02-05 10:17 < NotACow> if i'm going to go somewhere at 7pm to vote, i want tater tors.
2008-02-05 10:17 < NotACow> er, tater tots
2008-02-05 10:17 < quanticle> Cometstyles: I wonder if Oprah would be a good president.
2008-02-05 10:17 < Cometstyles> ;)
2008-02-05 10:17 < NotACow> quanticle: she's too much of a drama queen
2008-02-05 10:17 < Huntster> (would she give new cars away to all citizens?)
2008-02-05 10:17 < quanticle> NotACow: Tater tors? Are those like anonymous tater tots?
2008-02-05 10:17 < Cometstyles> quanticle, unless she makes jumping couch boy her VP :P
2008-02-05 10:18 < NotACow> jumping couch boy?
2008-02-05 10:18 < NotACow> do i even want to know?
2008-02-05 10:18 < Cometstyles> Tom Cruise :P
2008-02-05 10:18 < Huntster> Mr. Scientology
2008-02-05 10:18 < NotACow> ah
2008-02-05 10:18 < Cometstyles> yeah
2008-02-05 10:18 < Huntster> *cough*freak*cough*
2008-02-05 10:18 < NotACow> he's quite thoroughly nuts, you know
2008-02-05 10:18 < quanticle> Huntster: And then forget to tell people that they have to pay taxes on their new cars?
2008-02-05 10:18 < Cometstyles> Huntster, sounds like a comic book hero ;)
2008-02-05 10:18 < NotACow> quanticle: yeah, about a third of those people had to sell the car
2008-02-05 10:18 < NotACow> chicago taxes are onerous
2008-02-05 10:18 < Huntster> quanticle, indeed, so the IRS can fine them!
2008-02-05 10:19 < quanticle> NotACow: Have you seen the new Tom Cruise Scientology video?
2008-02-05 10:19 < Huntster> Cometstyles, hero? More like supervillain.
2008-02-05 10:19 < NotACow> quanticle: no, i'm avoiding seeing it.
2008-02-05 10:19 < quanticle> NotACow: Why? Its funny as hell.
2008-02-05 10:19 < Cometstyles> Huntster, alter-ego :P
2008-02-05 10:19 < Huntster> Ah, so he's a superhero that is his own nemesis?
2008-02-05 10:20 * Cometstyles nods
2008-02-05 10:20 < NotACow> quanticle: because i've had more than enough of scientology already
2008-02-05 10:20 < quanticle> NotACow: Heh.
2008-02-05 10:20 < NotACow> quanticle: i don't need to see a video of tom cruise acting weird to know that he's weird.
2008-02-05 10:20 < Huntster> I'm waiting to see how this Anonymous February 10 protest goes.
2008-02-05 10:20 < quanticle> NotACow: But won't you think of the lulz you are sacrificing by not seeing this video?
2008-02-05 10:21 < Cometstyles> yeah
2008-02-05 10:21 < NotACow> the only thing crazier than scientologists are antiscientologists
2008-02-05 10:21 < NotACow> quanticle: there's more to life than lulz.
2008-02-05 10:21 < Cyrius> think of the poor lulz!
2008-02-05 10:21 < Cyrius> what's a lulz?
2008-02-05 10:21 < Huntster> colour me crazy then.
2008-02-05 10:21 < Cometstyles> i thot politicians :p
2008-02-05 10:21 < quanticle> NotACow: LIES
2008-02-05 10:21 < quanticle> NotACow: Lulz iz all.
2008-02-05 10:21 < NotACow> see, this is what is wrong with wikipedia!
2008-02-05 10:21 < NotACow> too many people who want lulz.
2008-02-05 10:22 * Huntster hunts down the guy who first termed "lulz" and severely repremands him.
2008-02-05 10:22 < quanticle> NotACow: One of my friends is the lead organizer for the Minneapolis anti-scientology thing. He's got about 20 people organized.
2008-02-05 10:22 < NotACow> quanticle: good for him
2008-02-05 10:22 < quanticle> NotACow: Organized in real life, btw, not just online.
2008-02-05 10:22 < Huntster> If I didn't have to work, I'd consider joining the Nashville one.
2008-02-05 10:23 < NotACow> quanticle: yay
2008-02-05 10:23 < Huntster> see, antipathy is what got us into this mess to begin with.
2008-02-05 10:23 < quanticle> NotACow: It helps that the Minneapolis Scientology office is located about a 5 min. bus ride from the University of Minnesota campus.
2008-02-05 10:24 < quanticle> NotACow: The campus offers a nice recruiting pool and pre-protest meeting place.
2008-02-05 10:24 < Huntster> so...about those Giants.
2008-02-05 10:24 < Sfan00> quanticle: :(
2008-02-05 10:25 < quanticle> Huntster: What about teh Giants?
2008-02-05 10:25 < quanticle> Sfan00: ?
2008-02-05 10:25 < Sfan00> Shame none of the Anon protesters knows what's really going to happen
2008-02-05 10:25 < Huntster> they caused the Pats to lose, which makes them okay in my book.
2008-02-05 10:25 < Sfan00> :(
2008-02-05 10:25 < Huntster> and that is?
2008-02-05 10:25 < Sfan00> Wearing a mask is liable to get them arrested
2008-02-05 10:25 < quanticle> Sfan00: Hey, its no skin off my back. They're all going wearing Tom Cruise masks, if that makes you feel any better.
2008-02-05 10:26 < Sfan00> It'll stil get them arrested
2008-02-05 10:26 < quanticle> Sfan00: In Minneapolis, wearing masks is legal
2008-02-05 10:26 < Sfan00> :(
2008-02-05 10:26 < Huntster> How? Wearing a mask is not grounds for being arrested.
2008-02-05 10:26 < quanticle> Sfan00: We've also got a protest permit
2008-02-05 10:26 < Huntster> Else Halloween revelers would be in serious trouble.
2008-02-05 10:26 < Sfan00> Hunster: "Obsturcting the sherieff from identifien the perps...!"
2008-02-05 10:26 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-05 10:26 < Huntster> Hardly.
2008-02-05 10:27 < Sfan00> Also useing tom Cruise marks could be considered defamatory
2008-02-05 10:27 < Sfan00> (albiet that's a cival mattr)
2008-02-05 10:27 < Sfan00> *matter
2008-02-05 10:27 < Huntster> Unless a criminal act is conducted, which the protest officially calls against.
2008-02-05 10:27 < Sfan00> LOL
2008-02-05 10:27 < quanticle> Sfan00: The Scientiology office is also located on Nicollet Mall, a pedestrian mall in Downtown Minneapolis, so we're safe as far as trespassing is concerned as well.
2008-02-05 10:27 < Huntster> Sfan00, I call "fair-use" on the mask ;)
2008-02-05 10:27 < Sfan00> And how secure is the protest from agents and rouge elements?
2008-02-05 10:27 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-05 10:28 < Sfan00> I mean some people have a clear druges against CoS
2008-02-05 10:28 < quanticle> Sfan00: It helps that my friend personally knows all of the protesters.
2008-02-05 10:28 < quanticle> Sfan00: No loonies invited.
2008-02-05 10:28 < Sfan00> How are the protestors ensuring that such grudge makers aren't going to use the protest as cover?
2008-02-05 10:29 < Sfan00> for sneaky attacks or hate crime like acts?
2008-02-05 10:29 < Huntster> That's why it will be interesting to see how they go. I can't recall such widely organized anonymous protests before.
2008-02-05 10:30 < Sfan00> I mean Anon is saying this isn't about 'religon' but it's America and you need to ensure you don't get christian crazies...
2008-02-05 10:30 < quanticle> Sfan00: Well that's the risk that any protest takes. There have been many larger protests that have not fallen prey to this, so we're confident that nothing untoward will happen.