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2008-02-05 00:37 < zocky> bumm13, spanish speakers in latin america?
2008-02-05 00:37 < zocky> shouldn't they speak latin?
2008-02-05 00:37 * Pumpmeup is revived!
2008-02-05 00:37 < bumm13> meowf
2008-02-05 00:38 < StayTuned> hello bumm13 zocky Mike_H
2008-02-05 00:38 < bumm13> hi
2008-02-05 00:38 < zocky> hi
2008-02-05 00:39 * quanticle goes to bed
2008-02-05 00:39 < bumm13> nite quanticle
2008-02-05 00:39 < StayTuned> how have you guys been?
2008-02-05 00:39 < bumm13> fine
2008-02-05 00:39 < StayTuned> quiet night tonight
2008-02-05 00:40 * pherring also turns in
2008-02-05 00:40 < zocky> it's been a quiet year
2008-02-05 00:40 < StayTuned> eventfull here
2008-02-05 00:40 * TheWeasel translates Mornington Crescent (game) into Berlin usefulness
2008-02-05 00:40 * zocky thinks there should be more incoming links to the channel
2008-02-05 00:40 < pherring> I'd have to disagree zocky... but we can do that when I don't need sleep
2008-02-05 00:41 < StayTuned> zocky - not a bad idea -
2008-02-05 00:42 < StayTuned> for as long as I can remember this channel has been around 200 users
2008-02-05 00:42 < TheWeasel> With the vast majority sleeping.
2008-02-05 00:44 * TheWeasel calls the Berlin version of Mornington Crescent "Heidelberger Platz"
2008-02-05 00:49 < zocky> haidlbaagaa platz
2008-02-05 00:50 < TheWeasel> Because that part of southwestern [[Friedenau]] is similar enough to Camden
2008-02-05 00:51 < zocky> is it in Tempelhof or in Schöneberg?
2008-02-05 00:51 < zocky> I hate it when districts which are named the same as traditional parts of town get merged
2008-02-05 00:51 < TheWeasel> Schöneberg
2008-02-05 00:51 < TheWeasel> the southern part
2008-02-05 00:51 < zocky> people then start mixing up the names
2008-02-05 00:52 < TheWeasel> Heidelberger Platz is in Wilmersdorf already, coming to think of it
2008-02-05 00:52 * bumm13 lives in Cascadia
2008-02-05 00:52 < TheWeasel> Rüdesheimer Platz then
2008-02-05 00:52 < zocky> in [[maribor]], people who live out in the hills on the austrian border say they live in "rotovž" = "rathaus" = "central district"
2008-02-05 00:52 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-02-05 00:53 < bumm13> rat house ;)
2008-02-05 00:53 < bumm13> 0o.o0
2008-02-05 00:54 < zocky> bumm13, every german town has one!
2008-02-05 00:54 < bumm13> nice
2008-02-05 00:54 < TheWeasel> Yea. As well as former towns.
2008-02-05 00:54 < bumm13> does "town" in Germany mean "small city"?
2008-02-05 00:54 < zocky> does that make [[Bundesrat]] the "federal rat"? :)
2008-02-05 00:54 < TheWeasel> JFK spoke in front of the Rathaus Schöneberg
2008-02-05 00:54 < bumm13> or more like a township?
2008-02-05 00:54 < TheWeasel> Town is an English word
2008-02-05 00:55 < bumm13> yes
2008-02-05 00:55 < TheWeasel> Stadt is a place over 30,000 people roughly
2008-02-05 00:55 < TheWeasel> I'd say
2008-02-05 00:55 < bumm13> ok
2008-02-05 00:55 < zocky> TheWeasel, and smaller ones?
2008-02-05 00:55 < TheWeasel> although there were "town rights" which were also awarded to smaller places
2008-02-05 00:55 < TheWeasel> hm
2008-02-05 00:55 < TheWeasel> I dunno...
2008-02-05 00:55 < TheWeasel> maybe 10,000
2008-02-05 00:55 < bumm13> our state capital would be "Olympstadt" ;)
2008-02-05 00:56 < TheWeasel> smaller ones are just called Ort
2008-02-05 00:56 < TheWeasel> and even smaller ones Dorf
2008-02-05 00:56 < zocky> so, Dorf/Ort/Stadt
2008-02-05 00:56 < bumm13> (if the term was incorporated into its name)
2008-02-05 00:56 < zocky> where "ort" =~ "place", right?
2008-02-05 00:56 < TheWeasel> Yea, whereas Ort is a general name for a smaller place
2008-02-05 00:56 < bumm13> yet look how large Dusseldorf is today :-)
2008-02-05 00:57 < bumm13> *Düsseldorf
2008-02-05 00:57 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-02-05 00:57 < bumm13> isn't Düsseldorf-Dortmund-Leipzig the largest conurbation in Germany?
2008-02-05 00:57 < zocky> <<the name "Stuttgart" is an over the centuries modified version of "Stutengarten", in English roughly "mare garden", a type of stud farm.>>
2008-02-05 00:57 < zocky> (gotta love the german syntax in that one)
2008-02-05 00:57 < bumm13> (not Leipzig, Essen)
2008-02-05 00:57 < TheWeasel> No, Leipzig is roughly 250 miles further east
2008-02-05 00:57 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-02-05 00:58 < TheWeasel> well Düsseldorf wouldnt probably call itself part
2008-02-05 00:58 < TheWeasel> It's more like Duisburg-Essen-Bochum-Dortmund
2008-02-05 00:58 < bumm13> hmm
2008-02-05 00:58 < TheWeasel> the Ruhr Area
2008-02-05 00:58 < zocky> <<the name "Stuttgart" is an overthecenturiesmodifiedversion of "Stutengarten">> would be even better :)
2008-02-05 00:58 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-02-05 00:58 < TheWeasel> Stuttgart is terrible
2008-02-05 00:58 < TheWeasel> but that's just me
2008-02-05 00:58 < TheWeasel> people still maintain Berlin comes from bear
2008-02-05 00:59 < TheWeasel> but it may also be a more unexciting Slav root
2008-02-05 00:59 < zocky> TheWeasel, like what?
2008-02-05 00:59 < zocky> cognates of "to bear" is the only ones I can think of
2008-02-05 01:00 < TheWeasel> I dunno
2008-02-05 01:00 < TheWeasel> I forgot
2008-02-05 01:00 < TheWeasel> Albrecht der Bär is most often cited
2008-02-05 01:00 < bumm13> da Berlin!
2008-02-05 01:00 < zocky> The name Berlin, which is pronounced /bɚˈlɪn/ in English and /bɛɐˈliːn/ (help·info) in German, is of unknown origin, but may be related to the Old Polabian stem berl-/birl- "swamp"
2008-02-05 01:00 < bumm13> (as in a certain NFL team in the U.S. ;)
2008-02-05 01:00 < bumm13> (Bears)
2008-02-05 01:01 < TheWeasel> Der Name Berlin hat nichts mit dem Bären im heutigen Stadtwappen zu tun. Er geht vermutlich auf die slawische Silbe berl (Sumpf) zurück.
2008-02-05 01:01 < TheWeasel> slavic syllable "berl" meaning bog
2008-02-05 01:01 < TheWeasel> or swamp
2008-02-05 01:01 < zocky> hmm, never heard
2008-02-05 01:01 < TheWeasel> It's Wikipedia, you know
2008-02-05 01:01 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-05 01:01 < zocky> apart from "brljavo" in serbocroatian which is roughly "murky, dirty"
2008-02-05 01:02 < TheWeasel> Wow, bad PR there
2008-02-05 01:02 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-05 01:02 < TheWeasel> The name Berlin, which is pronounced /bɚˈlɪn/ in English and /bɛɐˈliːn/ (help·info) in German, is of unknown origin, but may be related to the Old Polabian stem berl-/birl- "swamp".[19]
2008-02-05 01:02 < zocky> TheWeasel, well, i'm in what germans called "laibach" now
2008-02-05 01:02 < TheWeasel> hah yea
2008-02-05 01:03 < TheWeasel> and a Slovenian band still does.
2008-02-05 01:03 < TheWeasel> My parents were in Ljubljana last year and they never called it anything else
2008-02-05 01:03 < TheWeasel> we usually use the German names for the big Polish cities though
2008-02-05 01:03 < zocky> TheWeasel, i'm sure they didn't call it "ljubljana" - that should be impossible for germans to pronounce :)
2008-02-05 01:03 < bumm13> Polish is officially unpronouncable by non-Poles
2008-02-05 01:03 < TheWeasel> not really
2008-02-05 01:04 < TheWeasel> "Alle Jubeljahre einmal"
2008-02-05 01:04 < zocky> TheWeasel, yeah, your "l" is much like ours, so it shouldn't form a "lj" sound
2008-02-05 01:04 < TheWeasel> once every [[Jubilee (Christian)]]
2008-02-05 01:04 < zocky> TheWeasel, but, can you start words with "lj" like swedes?
2008-02-05 01:04 < TheWeasel> There's no German word that does it
2008-02-05 01:05 < TheWeasel> but it isn't a particular difficulty I think
2008-02-05 01:05 < vonerich> germans were flushed out of western poland in 1945
2008-02-05 01:05 < zocky> vonerich, nah, it was just the momentum from the previous swing in the other direction
2008-02-05 01:05 < TheWeasel> hehe
2008-02-05 01:06 < TheWeasel> recoil
2008-02-05 01:06 < zocky> yeah, recoil
2008-02-05 01:06 < vonerich> that area silesia has a long history of being controlled by one side or another
2008-02-05 01:06 < vonerich> lower silesia
2008-02-05 01:06 < bumm13> "Pomany"?
2008-02-05 01:06 < vonerich> pommerania
2008-02-05 01:06 < zocky> TheWeasel, "Silbe" = ?
2008-02-05 01:07 < TheWeasel> Pomerania has been Prussian for a pretty long time
2008-02-05 01:07 < TheWeasel> syllable
2008-02-05 01:07 < zocky> ah
2008-02-05 01:07 < TheWeasel> *had
2008-02-05 01:07 < vonerich> prussia is gone
2008-02-05 01:07 < bumm13> hmm, that made-up word is surprisingly similar to Pomerania ;)
2008-02-05 01:07 < zocky> TheWeasel, of course, prussians were originally a baltic peopel
2008-02-05 01:07 < TheWeasel> yup
2008-02-05 01:07 < TheWeasel> from pretty far up too
2008-02-05 01:07 < TheWeasel> oh you said Baltic
2008-02-05 01:07 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-02-05 01:08 < TheWeasel> and then there was the margrave of Brandenburg
2008-02-05 01:08 < bumm13> silly Balts
2008-02-05 01:08 < TheWeasel> I like the Baltic, it's a pretty awesome area
2008-02-05 01:08 < zocky> bumm13, they have 2 languages and at least 3 wikipedias :)
2008-02-05 01:09 < bumm13> excluding Estonian, right?
2008-02-05 01:09 < TheWeasel> northeastern Prussia was overwhelmingly right-wing and Protestant
2008-02-05 01:09 < TheWeasel> but then there was the Ermland which was an island of Catholicism
2008-02-05 01:09 < vonerich> prussians took control of that region from polish
2008-02-05 01:09 < vonerich> the piasts
2008-02-05 01:09 < zocky> bumm13, estonians are a flavor of finns
2008-02-05 01:09 < bumm13> right :)
2008-02-05 01:10 < bumm13> (Uralic linguistics)
2008-02-05 01:10 < TheWeasel> many of them collaborated though
2008-02-05 01:10 < bumm13> (Uralic ---> Finno-Ugric)
2008-02-05 01:10 * Lady_Aleena waves to everyone.
2008-02-05 01:11 < vonerich> the piast de resistance
2008-02-05 01:11 < TheWeasel> it's interesting, Lithuania looks to Poland a lot, Latvia to Russia (at least de facto, even though the Russians are systematically dissed) and Estonia to Finland
2008-02-05 01:11 < vonerich> :x
2008-02-05 01:11 * Pumpmeup bites a chunk out of Lady_Aleena's wave
2008-02-05 01:11 < zocky> zomg, we don't have [[Ludolf brothers]]
2008-02-05 01:11 * Lady_Aleena pumps up the jam. :)
2008-02-05 01:11 < zocky> an actual tv show on an actual tv channel, and no article in wikipedia?
2008-02-05 01:13 < zocky> TheWeasel, btw, have you ever heard any lithuanian complaining about getting vilnius from poland when they complain about russian occupation? :)
2008-02-05 01:13 < TheWeasel> Nyet
2008-02-05 01:13 < TheWeasel> Nemirseta...
2008-02-05 01:13 < TheWeasel> hah
2008-02-05 01:13 < TheWeasel> used to be the last village in Germany
2008-02-05 01:13 < bumm13> we got Washington, DC from some obscure Eastern Woodlands tribe ;)
2008-02-05 01:13 < zocky> in my experience, balts are the biggest whiners after poles. they're worse than serbs and croats.
2008-02-05 01:14 < Lady_Aleena> .oO(To bad there isn't a way to just port the information from IMDb into Wikipedia automatically.)
2008-02-05 01:14 < TheWeasel> Ozette, Washington is the last place in the US!
2008-02-05 01:14 < bumm13> last?
2008-02-05 01:15 < zocky> bumm13, where "got" = "confiscated by genocide"?
2008-02-05 01:15 < bumm13> eh, not sure about that (in this particular instance)
2008-02-05 01:15 < TheWeasel> Westernmost
2008-02-05 01:15 < bumm13> it was largely swampland
2008-02-05 01:15 < bumm13> TheWeasel: well, in the lower 48 states anyway
2008-02-05 01:15 * TheWeasel has been to the southernmost place in Germany
2008-02-05 01:15 < bumm13> Ozette is barely a real place ;)
2008-02-05 01:15 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-02-05 01:16 < zocky> TheWeasel, Leibnitz? Klagenfurt? :9
2008-02-05 01:16 < TheWeasel> o.o
2008-02-05 01:16 < TheWeasel> Oberstdorf.
2008-02-05 01:16 < bumm13> Ozette is a bit south of [[Neah Bay, Washington]]
2008-02-05 01:16 < TheWeasel> There's no Deutsch-Österreich any more, even if the FPÖ wants to tell you that.
2008-02-05 01:16 * Lady_Aleena jams up the pump.
2008-02-05 01:16 < bumm13> where the Makah tribe have the legal right to hunt whales again
2008-02-05 01:17 < TheWeasel> Don't move WMF to Neah Bay, the tribe has the right to hunt Wales again.
2008-02-05 01:17 < zocky> TheWeasel, or Bozen? :)
2008-02-05 01:17 < TheWeasel> Or southern Sicily, like around 1300?
2008-02-05 01:17 < Lady_Aleena> Sorry everyone, I need to loosen up a bit.
2008-02-05 01:17 < bumm13> the Makah aren't related to any American Native groups
2008-02-05 01:18 < bumm13> but are instead related to several in Canada
2008-02-05 01:18 * FastLizard4|busy is going to bed, good night!
2008-02-05 01:18 < TheWeasel> night
2008-02-05 01:18 < TheWeasel> The extreme points of Germany mostly suck
2008-02-05 01:18 < TheWeasel> except the southernmost
2008-02-05 01:18 < zocky> TheWeasel, ah, but I watch ÖRF, and I know that buildings in carinthia can't have "imposing features" (i.e. minarets) because it would ruin the local german architecture
2008-02-05 01:18 < TheWeasel> the westernmost is somewhere west of Mönchengladbach
2008-02-05 01:18 < TheWeasel> o.o
2008-02-05 01:19 < TheWeasel> well that should be federal law though
2008-02-05 01:19 < TheWeasel> the northernmost is on the island of Sylt
2008-02-05 01:19 < bumm13> fun fact: in the mid-1800s, Chief Seattle led Suquamish natives in battle against a rival tribe, which led to that tribe's extinction
2008-02-05 01:19 < TheWeasel> could be argued that that one doesn't suck either
2008-02-05 01:19 < bumm13> is Sylt silty? ;)
2008-02-05 01:19 < TheWeasel> the easternmost is in some godforsaken part of eastern Saxony near Görlitz
2008-02-05 01:19 < TheWeasel> hm
2008-02-05 01:20 < TheWeasel> It's flat and sandy, rather
2008-02-05 01:20 < zocky> ah, görlitz = zgorelec
2008-02-05 01:20 < zocky> I knew it had to be something slavic
2008-02-05 01:20 < Lady_Aleena> I swear, I am beginning to get really really irritated. Everywhere I go now, nothing works unless I disable pop-ups/ad blocking/virus protection or all of the above. I am sick of sites that want to breech the security of my computer.
2008-02-05 01:20 * bumm13 thinks it's too bad there was no "Chief Portland"
2008-02-05 01:20 < TheWeasel> Zgorzelec yea
2008-02-05 01:21 < zocky> Lady_Aleena, use firefox
2008-02-05 01:21 < TheWeasel> there are two theories
2008-02-05 01:21 < zocky> TheWeasel, bah, that's just the weird polish way to write it :)
2008-02-05 01:21 < Lady_Aleena> zocky, What do you think I am using.
2008-02-05 01:21 < TheWeasel> one that it's related to "sill" as in obstacle
2008-02-05 01:21 < TheWeasel> and one that it's to do with "sild", Danish for herring
2008-02-05 01:22 < bumm13> the English/"whitey" name Mount Rainier is named after some prince in Europe
2008-02-05 01:22 < zocky> bumm13, sounds Monegasque
2008-02-05 01:22 < TheWeasel> Monaco?
2008-02-05 01:22 < TheWeasel> Yea
2008-02-05 01:22 < Lady_Aleena> Even Comcasts website won't load properly in Firefox. (Comcast is my cable provider.)
2008-02-05 01:23 < zocky> actually, Mount Rainier, a stratovolcano and national park 54 miles southeast of Seattle, Washington, USA named for British Rear Admiral Peter Rainier
2008-02-05 01:23 < Rinn> Aleena: What sites are you going to?
2008-02-05 01:23 < TheWeasel> *Beatles - I Want To Tell You
2008-02-05 01:23 < bumm13> oh, not a prince
2008-02-05 01:23 * bumm13 confuzzlement
2008-02-05 01:24 < TheWeasel> Why don't navies have a front admiral?
2008-02-05 01:24 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-05 01:24 < bumm13> I find the name George Vancouver interesting
2008-02-05 01:25 < TheWeasel> there's a place in London called Edmonton
2008-02-05 01:25 < bumm13> other notables: Harold Chicago, Esteban Miami and Robert N. York ;)
2008-02-05 01:25 < zocky> Peter Rainier, Jr. (1741–7 April 1808) was a British naval leader.
2008-02-05 01:25 < zocky> "leader"?
2008-02-05 01:25 < bumm13> (jocular, of course)
2008-02-05 01:25 < bumm13> dear leader
2008-02-05 01:26 < TheWeasel> And Johnnie F. Chattanooga
2008-02-05 01:26 < bumm13> \o/
2008-02-05 01:26 < TheWeasel> not to mention Ida Ho.
2008-02-05 01:26 < zocky> [[Peter Rainier, junior]] is a bad article, and [[Peter Rainier]] is an even worse dab
2008-02-05 01:26 < bumm13> haha
2008-02-05 01:26 < bumm13> Chattanooga choo-choo
2008-02-05 01:26 < zocky> TheWeasel, good thing she didn't have a sister called "Ima"
2008-02-05 01:27 < bumm13> the faux-Native word "Idaho" was originally meant for Colorado, supposedly
2008-02-05 01:27 < bumm13> it didn't die! :x
2008-02-05 01:27 < IceKarma> bumm13, bad ideas frequently don't
2008-02-05 01:28 < bumm13> Idaho also has a state nickname based on fiction
2008-02-05 01:28 < bumm13> "The Gem State"
2008-02-05 01:28 < TheWeasel> the name "Imogen" which Shakespeare accidentally made up, believing it was a historical name, is very popular for girls in Britain
2008-02-05 01:28 < bumm13> they just can't get any breaks :x
2008-02-05 01:28 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-05 01:29 < zocky> According to some modern editions of Shakespeare's plays, notably the 1986 Oxford Edition, the correct name is in fact Innogen, and the spelling "Imogen" is an error which arose when the manuscripts were first committed to print.
2008-02-05 01:29 < Lady_Aleena> WOTC chat rooms are down, and now I don't know where to go to discuss gaming. This is frusterating.
2008-02-05 01:29 < TheWeasel> Or that
2008-02-05 01:29 < TheWeasel> it's funny though
2008-02-05 01:30 < IceKarma> zocky, those pesky minims
2008-02-05 01:30 < IceKarma> Lady_Aleena, no E in "frustrating", sorry
2008-02-05 01:30 < TheWeasel> it's like people misspelling names
2008-02-05 01:31 * IceKarma had a common first name, a *misspelled* middle name (thanks, Dad), and a rare variant spelling of a common surname
2008-02-05 01:31 < bumm13> Innogen sounds like a biotech firm name
2008-02-05 01:31 < TheWeasel> there are lots of (usually rejected) requests to accept weird German spellings for foreign names
2008-02-05 01:31 < TheWeasel> such as Schacklin (Jacqueline)
2008-02-05 01:31 < bumm13> :x
2008-02-05 01:31 < zocky> haha
2008-02-05 01:31 * Lady_Aleena misses the times when the only people who used the web were geeks and the standards were very high. She is embarrassed about the typo, but with frustration comes typos.
2008-02-05 01:31 < IceKarma> then I changed it, and ended up with a first name people have trouble spelling, a middle name spelled the slightly less common of two ways, and a last name that Americans in particular tend to mispronounce
2008-02-05 01:32 < TheWeasel> :-/
2008-02-05 01:32 < zocky> Dscheffri
2008-02-05 01:32 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-02-05 01:32 < TheWeasel> Dschastin.
2008-02-05 01:32 < TheWeasel> (Justin is very popular out east these days)
2008-02-05 01:32 * bumm13 NP: Nervous Norvus - Wild Dogs of Kentucky (1956)
2008-02-05 01:33 * Lady_Aleena wants to go back in time and break Bill Gates fingers.
2008-02-05 01:33 < TheWeasel> I think Leon and Leonie are still on top though this year
2008-02-05 01:33 < zocky> dschouni liebt tschatschi
2008-02-05 01:33 < bumm13> black Americans always come up with interesting first names
2008-02-05 01:33 < TheWeasel> Austrians have a fatal attraction to dated first names
2008-02-05 01:34 < bumm13> Wilhelm?
2008-02-05 01:34 < zocky> TheWeasel, yeah, I know people my age who are called "karl heinz"
2008-02-05 01:34 < TheWeasel> Austrians my age are commonly named "Bernhard", "Karin" and "Rainer"
2008-02-05 01:34 < bumm13> nice :P
2008-02-05 01:34 < TheWeasel> it's slowly getting better, but it's still weird
2008-02-05 01:34 * Lady_Aleena has a simple first name with four letters and one syllable.
2008-02-05 01:35 * TheWeasel has one short, unmistakable first name
2008-02-05 01:35 < TheWeasel> but then my parents would almost have named me Fritz
2008-02-05 01:35 < bumm13> Rolf?
2008-02-05 01:35 < bumm13> ^_^
2008-02-05 01:36 < TheWeasel> Rolf is terrible
2008-02-05 01:36 < bumm13> :D
2008-02-05 01:36 < TheWeasel> short for Rudolf
2008-02-05 01:36 < zocky> haha, "fritz" is one of many colloquial words for "a german" here
2008-02-05 01:36 < TheWeasel> Rolf, Ralf, Rüdiger
2008-02-05 01:36 < bumm13> Rolf was a Muppet dog that played piano
2008-02-05 01:36 < bumm13> (or was it "Rowlf"?)
2008-02-05 01:36 < IceKarma> ISTR a W
2008-02-05 01:36 < TheWeasel> One particularly gruesome variant is "Thoralf"
2008-02-05 01:36 < bumm13> it is Rowlf
2008-02-05 01:36 < zocky> a funny thing about germans is that each neighbour has a different name for them, mostly depending on the tribe that lived on that side
2008-02-05 01:37 < bumm13> is that like Gandalf?
2008-02-05 01:37 < TheWeasel> the Polish call us "Helmuty"
2008-02-05 01:37 < TheWeasel> the Helmuts
2008-02-05 01:37 < IceKarma> I like the Slavic name the best
2008-02-05 01:37 < bumm13> like Helmut Kohl
2008-02-05 01:37 < IceKarma> Nemets - the dumb/mute
2008-02-05 01:37 < zocky> the most normal colloquial name for germans here is "švabi"
2008-02-05 01:37 < zocky> based on the former donauschwabben
2008-02-05 01:38 < TheWeasel> funny enough, even though it's said that Berlin is overrun by Swabians
2008-02-05 01:38 < TheWeasel> they aren't exactly hegemonial
2008-02-05 01:38 < TheWeasel> "Allemands" = people from Baden and northern Switzerland
2008-02-05 01:39 < zocky> is "tysk" and "tedeschi" also based on some tribe, or is that the local version of "teutons/deutsch"?
2008-02-05 01:39 < TheWeasel> "Germans", people from the north
2008-02-05 01:39 < IceKarma> zocky, Deutsch
2008-02-05 01:39 < TheWeasel> thats a late word
2008-02-05 01:39 < TheWeasel> it actually only meant "of the people"
2008-02-05 01:39 < IceKarma> and Allemands, not surprisingly, comes from "all men"
2008-02-05 01:40 < TheWeasel> Deutsch only referred to the language at first.
2008-02-05 01:40 * bumm13 's eyes are all dried out :(
2008-02-05 01:40 * IceKarma spritzes bumm13
2008-02-05 01:40 < TheWeasel> language of the "theos", the people
2008-02-05 01:40 < TheWeasel> Halt! No wassershooten in ze chattenraum!
2008-02-05 01:40 < zocky> yeah, alemani were some federation of tribes, like the franks, IIRC
2008-02-05 01:41 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-02-05 01:41 < TheWeasel> Baden and Switzerland
2008-02-05 01:41 < IceKarma> zocky, ("free")
2008-02-05 01:41 < TheWeasel> "frank und frei"
2008-02-05 01:41 < TheWeasel> "frankieren" = "freimachen"
2008-02-05 01:41 < TheWeasel> "to be frank" = to be free from politeness
2008-02-05 01:41 * IceKarma sends the Department of Redundancies Department after TheWeasel
2008-02-05 01:42 < zocky> to be free from the french
2008-02-05 01:42 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-02-05 01:42 < zocky> TheWeasel, ah, so you think "excuse my french" comes from the same logic? :)
2008-02-05 01:42 < TheWeasel> [[Erbfeind]]
2008-02-05 01:42 < TheWeasel> yea maybe
2008-02-05 01:42 < IceKarma> zocky, no, I don't think that's related
2008-02-05 01:42 < TheWeasel> "excuse my frankness"
2008-02-05 01:43 < TheWeasel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French-German_enmity
2008-02-05 01:43 < TheWeasel> there
2008-02-05 01:43 < TheWeasel> that was an "inherited enmity"
2008-02-05 01:43 < TheWeasel> Erbfeindschaft
2008-02-05 01:43 < zocky> nah, it's probably "french" meaning "crap" like "dutch" or "gay"
2008-02-05 01:43 < zocky> that's just brits being bigots
2008-02-05 01:43 < TheWeasel> my great-grandfather was still against my grandma travelling to France
2008-02-05 01:44 * Lady_Aleena 's name is a common noun, a verb, an event, and a time.
2008-02-05 01:44 < TheWeasel> there was a large dash of petty bickering going on, mostly from the German side
2008-02-05 01:44 < zocky> TheWeasel, one thing I learnt from people who lived or worked in bosnia during the war - whatever the politicians say, for the french army, germans=enemies, serbs=allies
2008-02-05 01:44 < TheWeasel> with our tendency to assign qualities to people based on abstract thoughts
2008-02-05 01:44 < TheWeasel> Yea.
2008-02-05 01:45 < IceKarma> zocky, there are a few amusing lexical items connected to the Anglo-French enmity
2008-02-05 01:45 < TheWeasel> Albion!
2008-02-05 01:45 < IceKarma> zocky, "French letter" ('condom') == "lettre anglais" ('English letter')
2008-02-05 01:45 < zocky> hehe
2008-02-05 01:45 < IceKarma> zocky, also "French horn" <=> "cor anglais"
2008-02-05 01:45 < TheWeasel> Albion, perfidious Albion!
2008-02-05 01:45 < TheWeasel> Freedom horn!
2008-02-05 01:45 < Lady_Aleena> Is there a wiki sister out there that I can edit it something in my userspace once, and it will translate to all other wiki sisters?
2008-02-05 01:46 < zocky> IceKarma, btw, you know that we call a monkey wrench a "french wrench", while the french call it an "english wrench"?
2008-02-05 01:47 < TheWeasel> We call it a "mouth wrench"
2008-02-05 01:47 < TheWeasel> there's no derogatory word for mouth in English!
2008-02-05 01:47 < zocky> anyway, those ethnic/local names are silly, as we've previously established. there's no frankfurt sausage in frankfurt, no berliner doughnut in berlin, and no spaghetti bolognese in bologna
2008-02-05 01:48 < TheWeasel> no dedicated one anyway
2008-02-05 01:48 < TheWeasel> Just as I note with sadness the lack of alternatives to "eat"
2008-02-05 01:48 < TheWeasel> the eating process of animals has a word of its own in German
2008-02-05 01:49 < zocky> TheWeasel, a lot of those exist in english too, but are either archaic or so colloquial you don't hear them in media
2008-02-05 01:49 < TheWeasel> yea, but nothing truly derogatory.
2008-02-05 01:49 < TheWeasel> which is a pity really
2008-02-05 01:49 < PB54> Can someone help me reword this? It just doesn't seem right..."The Battle of Kelja, fought from December 25 to December 27, 1939, in and around the town of Kelja, Finland, was a part of the Winter War between Finland and the Soviet Union."
2008-02-05 01:49 < IceKarma> zocky, when I was a Canadian living in the US, I was regularly asked what "Canadian bacon" is
2008-02-05 01:50 < zocky> PB54, what sounds wrong?
2008-02-05 01:50 < zocky> IceKarma, hehe, I know about that one
2008-02-05 01:50 < TheWeasel> PB54: No comma after "1939"
2008-02-05 01:50 * TheWeasel ist ein Berliner
2008-02-05 01:50 < PB54> k, thanks
2008-02-05 01:50 < zocky> i'd leave the comma in
2008-02-05 01:50 < zocky> what I don't like in that sentence is "part"
2008-02-05 01:50 * IceKarma agrees with zocky, too late
2008-02-05 01:50 < zocky> are battles really "parts" of a war?
2008-02-05 01:51 * Lady_Aleena guesses her answer is "no."
2008-02-05 01:51 * TheWeasel comes from a language that uses far fewer commas than English precisely because rules are so strict
2008-02-05 01:51 < zocky> ah, we use far far more than english
2008-02-05 01:51 < TheWeasel> it's probably not wrong to leave it there
2008-02-05 01:51 < zocky> every complex sentence in slovenian has multiple commas
2008-02-05 01:52 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, but for an English speaker, you sometimes put them in surprising places
2008-02-05 01:52 < zocky> the rules are logical, if you have linguistic education, and utterly mysterious to the average speaker
2008-02-05 01:52 < TheWeasel> I just don't like sentences like "The commander of the unit, was killed in battle."
2008-02-05 01:52 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-02-05 01:52 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-05 01:52 * IceKarma winces
2008-02-05 01:52 < brown_cat_nap> [[Image:2 Sphynx speeing.jpg]] <-- brown_cat_nap + White_Cat_Zzz
2008-02-05 01:52 * brown_cat_nap cuddles IceKarma
2008-02-05 01:52 < brown_cat_nap> how are you?
2008-02-05 01:52 < zocky> anyway, I'd say "the battle of kelja was fought during the winter war"
2008-02-05 01:53 < IceKarma> zocky, I stumbled across painintheenglish.com earlier, and despite the traffic level being virtually nil there were not one but two questions involving the subjunctive
2008-02-05 01:53 < TheWeasel> I'd make it two sentences
2008-02-05 01:54 < TheWeasel> I order that all my subjunctive-related problems be solved immediately
2008-02-05 01:54 < TheWeasel> It's nothing against the French subjunctive by the way
2008-02-05 01:54 < IceKarma> brown_cat_nap, if you're a sphinx, I'm much furrier than you
2008-02-05 01:54 < zocky> IceKarma, i was baffled by the english subjunctive when I first noticed it, but now it's somehow natural to me
2008-02-05 01:54 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, well, the French subjunctive is equally perilous for English speakers
2008-02-05 01:54 < loader> hello :)
2008-02-05 01:55 < zocky> "It is urgent Molly prepares a revised copy of the file." sounds wrong to me now
2008-02-05 01:55 < TheWeasel> "avant que" (before) takes it but "après que" (after) doesn't.
2008-02-05 01:55 < brown_cat_nap> IceKarma: No, i'm not - I'm a lynx :)
2008-02-05 01:55 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, English hardly uses it, but French uses the imperfect where English would use a subjunctive, and French requires it in places English does not
2008-02-05 01:55 < zocky> i'd say "it is urgent _that_ molly prepares" if i wanted to use "-s"
2008-02-05 01:55 < TheWeasel> but if you say it differently, the subjunctive sounds aloof
2008-02-05 01:55 < TheWeasel> "It is of the utmost importance that a revised copy be prepared."
2008-02-05 01:56 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, oh, and because the forms are so similar between the indicative and the subjunctive in English, it kind of blends in
2008-02-05 01:56 < TheWeasel> Anyway, subjonctif has one of the oddest rules of application in French
2008-02-05 01:56 < zocky> "It is of the utmost importance that a revised copy is prepared." would sound as "there is already a revised copy, which is very important"
2008-02-05 01:57 < TheWeasel> maybe as well as "en" and "y", and "l'on"
2008-02-05 01:57 < TheWeasel> and the occasional and surprising "ne"
2008-02-05 01:57 < zocky> french is one of the oddest applications of language centers
2008-02-05 01:57 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, "qu'est-ce que tu veux que je _fasses_ ?"
2008-02-05 01:57 < TheWeasel> J'espère qu'il ne vienne.
2008-02-05 01:57 < TheWeasel> or something
2008-02-05 01:57 < TheWeasel> ne + subj. = folie totale.
2008-02-05 01:58 < zocky> IceKarma, that's nine words where a sane language would use 3-6
2008-02-05 01:58 < TheWeasel> Was soll ich tun?
2008-02-05 01:58 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-05 01:58 < TheWeasel> Four
2008-02-05 01:58 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, yeah, "expletive ne"
2008-02-05 01:58 < TheWeasel> I never got that one
2008-02-05 01:58 < zocky> TheWeasel, that's cheating! :P
2008-02-05 01:58 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, also, "only" being formed from "ne...que"
2008-02-05 01:58 < TheWeasel> and I'm not bad with languages
2008-02-05 01:59 < TheWeasel> "Qu'est-ce qu'il me faut faire?" in French
2008-02-05 01:59 < TheWeasel> those are eight words
2008-02-05 01:59 < zocky> ok, but what would be german for "what do you want me to do"?
2008-02-05 01:59 < TheWeasel> ne que is surprisingly frequent but comparatively easy
2008-02-05 01:59 < TheWeasel> Was soll ich deiner Meinung nach tun?
2008-02-05 01:59 < TheWeasel> Sag mir doch, was ich tun soll!
2008-02-05 01:59 < TheWeasel> It's hard to translate
2008-02-05 02:00 < TheWeasel> because we can't say "Was willst du das ich tue?"
2008-02-05 02:00 < zocky> "kaj hočeš da naredim", "šta hoćeš da uradim"
2008-02-05 02:00 < zocky> we can do it in 4
2008-02-05 02:00 < TheWeasel> *dass
2008-02-05 02:00 < TheWeasel> "Was soll ich tun" is ok
2008-02-05 02:00 < zocky> "kaj naj naredim" then in slovenian, or as it's often said "kaj naj"
2008-02-05 02:00 < TheWeasel> Que faire?
2008-02-05 02:01 < TheWeasel> Was tun?
2008-02-05 02:01 < TheWeasel> or "what now"?
2008-02-05 02:01 < zocky> "what to", really
2008-02-05 02:01 < TheWeasel> oh
2008-02-05 02:01 < TheWeasel> "dont" is a nice word in French as well
2008-02-05 02:02 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, one of the booby-traps for the speaker of modern French who looks at Old French text is the semantic reversal of terms like "aucun"
2008-02-05 02:02 < TheWeasel> which means "every" there?
2008-02-05 02:02 < zocky> or maybe "what should" would be a better literal translation there
2008-02-05 02:02 < TheWeasel> "jusqu'à ce que" is fun as well
2008-02-05 02:02 < TheWeasel> "until" for sane languages
2008-02-05 02:03 < TheWeasel> "bis" in German
2008-02-05 02:03 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, pretty much
2008-02-05 02:03 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, oh, French is terrible for that
2008-02-05 02:03 < TheWeasel> "J
2008-02-05 02:03 < IceKarma> TheWeasel, my above quote is literally "what is it that you want that I [should] do?"
2008-02-05 02:03 < TheWeasel> yep
2008-02-05 02:03 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-05 02:04 < IceKarma> but then, given the severe phonetic attrition that French underwent, ...
2008-02-05 02:05 < TheWeasel> thats a nice word for it
2008-02-05 02:05 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-05 02:05 < IceKarma> it's hard to imagine just how different early Old French would have sounded -- at one point, the spelling actually -was- phonetic, we're told
2008-02-05 02:05 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-02-05 02:05 < IceKarma> but over the next couple hundred years, it just rotted away
2008-02-05 02:06 < TheWeasel> damn you, accent circonflexe
2008-02-05 02:06 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lp0umBVWSk
2008-02-05 02:06 < Mike_H> Adrianne Curry tells Jesus to suck her dick
2008-02-05 02:06 < Mike_H> it's hilarious
2008-02-05 02:06 < IceKarma> the remnants of the Latin case system -- nominative vs. oblique case, in singular vs. plural -- was just crazy
2008-02-05 02:07 < IceKarma> singular: murs/mur (N/O); plural: mur/murs (N/O)
2008-02-05 02:08 < IceKarma> the one thing I still don't entirely get about Old French is that when that system finally collapsed, it was always the -oblique- form that was kept
2008-02-05 02:08 < TheWeasel> grammatically I love this line from Brel
2008-02-05 02:09 < TheWeasel> "brûle encore/bien qu'ayant trop brûlé..."
2008-02-05 02:09 < Lady_Aleena> Found the test wiki. Interesting....very interesting.
2008-02-05 02:10 < zocky> IceKarma, these things don't follow any sane logic. it's about what sounds more normal, or distinct enough, to speakers who possibly changed the phonetics or their language, or spoke a different language originally, etc.
2008-02-05 02:11 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima&curid=450590&diff=189213237&oldid=186590531
2008-02-05 02:11 * Ceiling_Cat frowns :(
2008-02-05 02:11 < Ceiling_Cat> all the people associated with the flag raising have now died
2008-02-05 02:11 < Ceiling_Cat> 3 or 4 in the last 18 months
2008-02-05 02:12 < Ceiling_Cat> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iByZqL5xFZfrdXIvRjyf77JW0qiwD8UJMOGG0
2008-02-05 02:19 < Rubzzz> Herooooooooo
2008-02-05 02:20 < nokmar> is the south bridge ok at 65 degrees fahrenheit
2008-02-05 02:22 < zvook> Curious that the iwo jima photo article doesn't tackle the "staged" misconception in the lead.
2008-02-05 02:26 < zocky> "Council tenants who do not work should seek employment or face losing their homes, the new housing minister Caroline Flint will say in a speech."
2008-02-05 02:27 < zocky> so, if they're out of job, and thus poor, kick them out of public housing so they can become hobos?
2008-02-05 02:29 < JessicaTaylor> Hullo
2008-02-05 02:29 * brown_cat_nap sits on JessicaTaylor's keyboard
2008-02-05 02:30 < mavhc> no, they just have to seek employment
2008-02-05 02:30 * JessicaTaylor stabs brown_cat_nap
2008-02-05 02:30 < brown_cat_nap> O_o
2008-02-05 02:30 * brown_cat_nap licks at his wound
2008-02-05 02:30 * brown_cat_nap sleeps in the keyboard
2008-02-05 02:30 < cimon> I love The Economist, really I do, but...
2008-02-05 02:31 < mavhc> you don't want to marry it?
2008-02-05 02:31 < JessicaTaylor> not really
2008-02-05 02:31 < cimon> "Much as every integer can be broken down into a product of prime numbers, the symmetries of any object can be constructed from a collection of basic building blocks known as simple groups."
2008-02-05 02:32 < cimon> spot the howler?
2008-02-05 02:32 < TheWeasel> Economist is full of sentences starting with "Quite why..." and other British mannerisms
2008-02-05 02:32 < mavhc> what ho
2008-02-05 02:33 < cimon> What prime numbers is 41 a product of?
2008-02-05 02:33 < mavhc> 1 and 41?
2008-02-05 02:34 < cimon> multiplying by one does not a product make
2008-02-05 02:34 < mavhc> and 1 probably isn't prime
2008-02-05 02:35 < zocky> a comment on blair wanting to become EU president: Cities will burn in Spain before we let that hijo de la gran puta become EU president. I promise you.
2008-02-05 02:35 < mavhc> what is this economist article about?
2008-02-05 02:36 < cimon> http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10601347&fsrc=RSS
2008-02-05 02:36 < cimon> mirror games (ie. symmetry)
2008-02-05 02:37 * brown_cat_nap holds a mirror upto cimon
2008-02-05 02:37 < brown_cat_nap> dead yet>
2008-02-05 02:37 * cimon turns into granite.
2008-02-05 02:38 < brown_cat_nap> O_o
2008-02-05 02:38 * brown_cat_nap sits on cimon's lap
2008-02-05 02:38 < mavhc> ah, it's a book review
2008-02-05 02:41 < zocky> TheWeasel, what's joschka fischer doing now?
2008-02-05 02:41 < TheWeasel> Professor at Princeton I believe
2008-02-05 02:41 < zocky> TheWeasel, I see that he wrote some opinion piece for the guardian, but I find him too nauseating to actually read it.
2008-02-05 02:41 < TheWeasel> do you
2008-02-05 02:42 < TheWeasel> he's done a moderately uncatastrophic job in office
2008-02-05 02:42 < zocky> he's one of those instinctive right-wingers in left-wing clothing
2008-02-05 02:43 < zocky> first they're fundamentalist communists, and they end up becoming pro-interventionist pro-elite bastards with left-wing rhetorics
2008-02-05 02:43 < TheWeasel> still better than going straight to the extreme right
2008-02-05 02:43 < TheWeasel> as many in the New Right did
2008-02-05 02:43 < zocky> nah, going to the extreme right is at least honest
2008-02-05 02:44 < TheWeasel> or the neocons
2008-02-05 02:44 < zocky> this is the same in effect, with the additional yucky layer of lies and pretenses
2008-02-05 02:44 < TheWeasel> because they were following something obviously wrong, and were frustrated with the whole direction suddenly
2008-02-05 02:44 < TheWeasel> not really
2008-02-05 02:45 < zocky> kouchner is like that
2008-02-05 02:45 < zocky> blair too
2008-02-05 02:45 < TheWeasel> our interior minister of old was much like that
2008-02-05 02:45 < TheWeasel> Otto Schily
2008-02-05 02:45 < TheWeasel> you know there's something wrong when people start calling others "childish"
2008-02-05 02:45 < TheWeasel> that's the latest right-wing shtick
2008-02-05 02:46 < zocky> TheWeasel, don't forget that "the reform is unavoidable"
2008-02-05 02:46 < zocky> "the times when everybody could have a decent pension are gone by"
2008-02-05 02:46 < zocky> really? why?
2008-02-05 02:47 < zocky> they just spew these things and repeat them ad nausea. they've now stopped bothering with coming up with any explanations.
2008-02-05 02:47 < TheWeasel> Private initiative!
2008-02-05 02:48 < zocky> "the world is changing", is the usual justification for dismantling something that worked quite alright for 50 years
2008-02-05 02:49 < brown_cat_nap> "IKEA - The Musical: A furniture song and dance spectacular" lmfao
2008-02-05 02:49 * TheWeasel isn't very far on the left economically, I just shiver at words like the "multicultural pipe dream" and such
2008-02-05 02:49 < TheWeasel> their strategy is to call everyone who disagrees immature.
2008-02-05 02:50 < TheWeasel> right-wing liberals are especially good at that
2008-02-05 02:51 < TheWeasel> See Mrs Hirsi
2008-02-05 02:52 < TheWeasel> or that one guy who writes for Die Zeit, Josef Joffe
2008-02-05 02:53 < zocky> yay, we're having a consumer's strike
2008-02-05 02:53 < TheWeasel> though to be sure you find that in extreme evolution philosophers as well.
2008-02-05 02:54 < zocky> supposedly, people will now boycott one supermarket chain every week
2008-02-05 02:54 < zocky> it would be cool if it actually worked
2008-02-05 02:54 < TheWeasel> A new one every week?
2008-02-05 02:54 < zocky> yes
2008-02-05 02:55 < zocky> they've raised food prices 50-100% in last 3-4 months
2008-02-05 02:55 < zocky> it's insane
2008-02-05 02:55 < TheWeasel> "the oil price" o.o
2008-02-05 02:55 < zocky> oh, yeah, and "we're still cheaper than austrian supermarkets and we have the same expenses"
2008-02-05 02:56 < zocky> yes, because austrian supermarkets pay 500 euros per month to their workers too, right?
2008-02-05 02:57 < TheWeasel> o.o
2008-02-05 02:57 < TheWeasel> An Austrian wouldn't leave his bedside for 500 Euros/month
2008-02-05 02:58 < zocky> exactly
2008-02-05 02:58 < zocky> and they aren't really cheaper than austrian supermarkets, anyway
2008-02-05 02:59 < TheWeasel> brb, need something from outside
2008-02-05 02:59 < zocky> the prices are now about the same as in austria (apart from bread, which is more expensive here), and higher than in italy
2008-02-05 03:07 < brown_cat_nap> What should the us invasion of Iran be called?
2008-02-05 03:07 < brown_cat_nap> a) god's fist
2008-02-05 03:07 < brown_cat_nap> b) the empire strikes back
2008-02-05 03:07 < brown_cat_nap> c) the final solution
2008-02-05 03:10 < zocky> d) fools rush in
2008-02-05 03:12 < JessicaTaylor> e) ya mum walks in
2008-02-05 03:13 < JessicaTaylor> f) What George Bush does when he wants more publicity/money/land/people/oil
2008-02-05 03:14 < brown_cat_nap> xD
2008-02-05 03:15 < brown_cat_nap> O_O I found a pic of anna nicoles smith's implants
2008-02-05 03:15 < brown_cat_nap> http://www.sustainability.dpc.wa.gov.au/CaseStudies/gasastranstion/fig2.jpg
2008-02-05 03:16 < JessicaTaylor> what was random
2008-02-05 03:16 < JessicaTaylor> that was
2008-02-05 03:16 < JessicaTaylor> lol
2008-02-05 03:16 < zocky> JessicaTaylor, bush won't invade iran
2008-02-05 03:17 < zocky> hillary will
2008-02-05 03:17 < JessicaTaylor> lol
2008-02-05 03:17 < JessicaTaylor> Osama will
2008-02-05 03:17 < JessicaTaylor> Obama*
2008-02-05 03:17 < zocky> him too
2008-02-05 03:17 < zocky> as will mccain
2008-02-05 03:17 < OverlordQ> and how will hillary invade iran, she'd have to win first :D
2008-02-05 03:17 < zocky> none of them will change the foreign policy that much
2008-02-05 03:22 < TheWeasel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognition
2008-02-05 03:22 < TheWeasel> AAH
2008-02-05 03:24 < gp> hi
2008-02-05 03:24 < gp> i am trying to import wikipedia dump into local machine for last three days
2008-02-05 03:26 < gp> wonder why its so complicated
2008-02-05 03:27 < gp> ?
2008-02-05 03:27 < gp> xlm -sql then sql import
2008-02-05 03:27 < gp> why cant there just a mysql dump of database
2008-02-05 03:28 < gp> copy and retore
2008-02-05 03:32 < zocky> yay, clarke being silly again
2008-02-05 03:43 < gp> zocky: Hi
2008-02-05 03:43 < gp> i can use 3 files getting generated
2008-02-05 03:44 < gp> i can see 3 files getting generated pages, revions , text
2008-02-05 03:45 < gp> whats the diff between these three ??
2008-02-05 04:07 < Flominator> hi there
2008-02-05 04:07 * brown_cat_nap waves to Flominator
2008-02-05 04:07 * Flominator waves back
2008-02-05 04:08 < Flominator> does anyone know which svg converter we are using?
2008-02-05 04:08 < Flominator> (on the servers)
2008-02-05 04:08 < nokmar> I love those join names
2008-02-05 04:09 < nokmar> they tell you exactly who to ignore when they switch names
2008-02-05 04:20 < vonerich> which names
2008-02-05 04:27 < nokmar> i=blah@blah.net
2008-02-05 04:36 < Doc_glasgow> moo