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2008-02-03 23:37 < Chosen_Warrior> I have come across maybe one or two very obvious vandalisations... what have been the worse
2008-02-03 23:37 < ancjr> anyone ever have experience with a person that is mentioned in an article actually vandalizing the article?
2008-02-03 23:38 < SinSeer> i used to put meta name="fnord" ciontent="all hail discordia" on some of my webpages
2008-02-03 23:38 < Gwern-away> Carl Hewitt comes close...
2008-02-03 23:38 < SinSeer> just for poops and chuckles
2008-02-03 23:39 < fajro> Hi! ¿There are a list of free content sites usually used as source in WP? Anyone knows?
2008-02-03 23:40 < quanticle> What I find more disturbing is the non-obvious vandalizations. How many articles have a number or a critical fact slightly... tweaked?
2008-02-03 23:40 < quanticle> If I was vandal, its the sort of thing I'd do.
2008-02-03 23:41 < Rinn> My favorite vandalism is high-quality encyclopedic articles that are entirely and obviously untrue.
2008-02-03 23:41 < Rinn> Something like what you'd find at Uncyclopedia, if it didn't suck.
2008-02-03 23:41 < zero1328> I think most smart people would be smart enough to not vandalise, so that kind of vandalism would be co-ordinated
2008-02-03 23:41 < quanticle> Rinn: Yeah. Those too.
2008-02-03 23:42 < SinSeer> a few years back i used to like to link from real articles to my alarmist blog posts and make like they were true. but some people hadda be serious about life and remove em, so i gave up ages ago.
2008-02-03 23:42 < quanticle> zero1328: *Most* smart people don't vandalize, true. However, a smart and subtle vandal can do 100 times the damage of a blatant and dumb vandal before he's caught.
2008-02-03 23:43 < SinSeer> is it really vandalism to simpy add another link in the external links section though, presenting an alternative view view of the subject, no matter how bizarre?
2008-02-03 23:43 < SinSeer> (that's an honest question, i don't really touch that edit button and don't read the rules anymore, just use the wiki for info like regular boring old folks, heh)
2008-02-03 23:43 < zero1328> nope
2008-02-03 23:44 < Gwern-away> quanticle: take deletionists. they do vastly more damage than any vandal. I'd say someone like TTN has accomplished more in his career than any willy on wheels
2008-02-03 23:44 < quanticle> Gwern-away: Right, but don't you have to be admin to get delete?
2008-02-03 23:44 < Gwern-away> SinSeer: yes. a placement is implicitly an endorsement by the page that the link is worth reading and knowing about
2008-02-03 23:44 < SinSeer> wiki search bar in my firefox has made me 100 times more productive since switched from google as default, i must say
2008-02-03 23:44 < Gwern-away> quanticle: wikideletion, mon. most deletionists are not admins
2008-02-03 23:44 < zero1328> TTN's been going through the processes properly, though
2008-02-03 23:44 < SinSeer> well, thats why i don't do it, Gwern-away... i have a sense of humor, others don't :)
2008-02-03 23:45 < quanticle> Gwern-away: You mean just editing things out of the article? But isn't that stuff revertable?
2008-02-03 23:45 < SinSeer> besides. there is every possibility certain people are immoprtal energy beings bent on world domination. just cause i can't prove it doesn't make it not true!
2008-02-03 23:47 < Gwern-away> quanticle: sure, in the same sense that nothing is ever deleted from wikipedia - after all, it still exists in ancient database dumps and mirrors...
2008-02-03 23:47 < quanticle> SinSeer: Most religions are unprovable. However, most religions are not run as for-profit corporations.
2008-02-03 23:47 < SinSeer> hmmmm?
2008-02-03 23:47 < SinSeer> oh i had no profit
2008-02-03 23:47 < SinSeer> no links out even on the page
2008-02-03 23:47 < SinSeer> all for fun, pure text, alternative crackpot theories
2008-02-03 23:48 < SinSeer> forgive me if i'm out of date, and this is slightly off topic... are scientologist allowed to post about their religicult?
2008-02-03 23:49 < ronabop> SinSeer: we have a few who work on WP:SCN
2008-02-03 23:49 < SinSeer> but they are 'for profit'
2008-02-03 23:50 < SJFriedl> important note about "non profit". A friend of mine used to be a financial consultant to non-profits, and he told me "Non-profit doesn't mean you don't make a profit. It just means you don't pay any taxes" :-)
2008-02-03 23:50 < SinSeer> haha, how true
2008-02-03 23:50 < ronabop> Pope's not working for a living, last time I checked. Heck, most ministers don't have actual jobs....
2008-02-03 23:51 < ronabop> ...and yet, churches buy land, pay for utilities, build monuments to themselves...
2008-02-03 23:51 < quanticle> ronabop: Heh. The tithe is theoretically voluntary now.
2008-02-03 23:52 < Leslie_S> heh, i got one of those PARENTAL ADVISORY keychains.. :D
2008-02-03 23:53 < quanticle> Hmmm. It seems that Yahoo is looking to Google to rescue them from Microsoft.
2008-02-03 23:53 < shojo> o
2008-02-03 23:54 < Pilotguy> quanticle- snort.
2008-02-03 23:55 < quanticle> Pilotguy: I thought Yahoo had an alliance with Google to get search result from them a while back.
2008-02-03 23:55 < Gwern-away> google as a white knight. well, it makes sense
2008-02-03 23:55 < Pilotguy> quanticle- meh
2008-02-03 23:56 < quanticle> Gwern-away: Well half the businesses for Bubble 2.0 have a business model that relies on them getting bought out by some larger firm. That's how many of the social networking sites are shaping up.
2008-02-03 23:56 < SJFriedl> well it certainly appears that Google is unbiased in the matter
2008-02-03 23:56 < SJFriedl> "gain illegal control", "hostile takeover" etc
2008-02-03 23:56 < quanticle> SJFriedl: Heh.
2008-02-03 23:57 < SJFriedl> has Y! said they are not happy with this?
2008-02-03 23:57 < quanticle> SJFriedl: Y! is actually looking to Google for help fending off Microsoft.
2008-02-03 23:57 < SJFriedl> Ha. marketshare(msft) + marketshare(Y!) = 16%
2008-02-03 23:58 < quanticle> SJFriedl: Well Microsoft figures its better to hang together than hang separately.
2008-02-04 00:00 < Leslie_S> ronabop you know, most non profits do pay utilities.
2008-02-04 00:00 < Gwern-away> quanticle: yahoo is hardly web 3.0 :)
2008-02-04 00:01 < Gwern-away> hm. maybe matching on title is not such a good idea after all
2008-02-04 00:01 * NCC-1701-E wants a working toolserver!
2008-02-04 00:01 < Rinn> A Smash Bros. Brawl music rip already. Hooray pirates!
2008-02-04 00:02 < Leslie_S> there was a fist fight at work today ;/
2008-02-04 00:03 < Lycurgus> 16% of what market?
2008-02-04 00:06 < Gwern-away> Leslie_S: I hope you gave the other fellow as good as you got
2008-02-04 00:07 < Leslie_S> ...i wasnt in the fight.
2008-02-04 00:12 < Rinn> You should've been.
2008-02-04 00:12 < Rinn> Your story would've been more interesting.
2008-02-04 00:12 < Leslie_S> im goin to bed
2008-02-04 00:12 < Leslie_S> night
2008-02-04 00:21 < nokmar> ;ping
2008-02-04 00:31 < ronabop> I need somebody braver than I to do some Talk page archiving....
2008-02-04 00:31 < Messedrocker> shit, son
2008-02-04 00:32 < ronabop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Flatulence
2008-02-04 00:32 < Messedrocker> RFC bot can't run on the toolserver because it takes up too much memory, and betacommand cannot run it because he's blocked
2008-02-04 00:34 < Messedrocker> holy shit werdna made a post
2008-02-04 00:39 < ocee> sup fellows
2008-02-04 00:40 < Messedrocker> hey ocee
2008-02-04 00:40 < ocee> hey messedrocker
2008-02-04 00:40 < ocee> good seeing you about mate
2008-02-04 00:40 < Messedrocker> :)
2008-02-04 00:45 < Messedrocker> Tony_Sidaway, you're a programmer, aren't you? The RFC bot's problem is that objects in memory are forming too quickly without being given enough time to die off, so if I change the software to run less frequently (every 60 minutes instead of every 5 minutes), should that help?
2008-02-04 00:49 < ronabop> The foundation's servers don't have the PHP patch that adds garbage collection, per chance, do they?
2008-02-04 00:49 < Messedrocker> RFC bot was written in Python, not PHP
2008-02-04 00:49 < Messedrocker> though RFC bot has some kind of garbage collection I believe
2008-02-04 00:55 < Rinn> Heh.
2008-02-04 00:56 < Rinn> Meta Knight's victory theme is the Kirby dance in metal.
2008-02-04 00:57 < Messedrocker> hah
2008-02-04 00:57 < Messedrocker> Rinn, are you in Japan?
2008-02-04 00:57 < Rinn> No.
2008-02-04 00:57 < Rinn> Downloading a gamerip of the Brawl music.
2008-02-04 00:57 < Messedrocker> ok
2008-02-04 00:57 < Messedrocker> lucky japanese folk, they already have the game
2008-02-04 01:09 < ocee> so anyways
2008-02-04 01:09 < ocee> who else is listening to nirvana and contemplating silliness after the travesty we just witnessed?
2008-02-04 01:10 < Messedrocker> what travesty?
2008-02-04 01:10 < ocee> goodness
2008-02-04 01:10 < ocee> that which cannot be named
2008-02-04 01:11 < Messedrocker> you mean the lastest betacommand perfenander?
2008-02-04 01:11 < ocee> messedrocker, sure haha
2008-02-04 01:12 < Messedrocker> or the fact that the damn japanese get to have the seventh game to have a perfect rating from Famitsu before anyone else
2008-02-04 01:12 < ocee> i've no idea what that is
2008-02-04 01:12 < ocee> i was actually speaking towards the local 22
2008-02-04 01:17 < Rinn> Stickerbrush Symphony is 99.6% done and refuses to squeeze out the last .4%. :(
2008-02-04 01:21 < Tony_Sidaway> Messedrocker: I don't understand your description of the problem. What does "too quickly" mean in this context?
2008-02-04 01:22 < Tony_Sidaway> Your idea of varying the frequency at which the bot is run is worth a try.
2008-02-04 01:22 < Messedrocker> Tony_Sidaway, memory objects form in this case in such a way that more are being created than dying off, resulting in a net increase as time goes on
2008-02-04 01:22 < Messedrocker> kind of like the human population
2008-02-04 01:22 < Rinn> Tetris music!
2008-02-04 01:22 < Messedrocker> ooh, really?
2008-02-04 01:22 < Tony_Sidaway> Ah, sounds like you're trying to describe a memory leak.
2008-02-04 01:22 < ocee> speaking of leaks
2008-02-04 01:22 < ocee> brb
2008-02-04 01:22 < Messedrocker> Though I hear Python doesn't have memory leaks
2008-02-04 01:22 * ocee needs to have a piss
2008-02-04 01:23 < Tony_Sidaway> If it's in Python, I'd be surprised to find that it has memory leaks.
2008-02-04 01:23 < Messedrocker> yes ocee we inferred that
2008-02-04 01:23 < Messedrocker> Tony_Sidaway, I think it's not a leak so much as poor coding
2008-02-04 01:23 < Rinn> Type A and Type B.
2008-02-04 01:23 < Tony_Sidaway> Is this the bot that runs and often finds no RFCs?
2008-02-04 01:23 < Messedrocker> it pretty much edits every cycle
2008-02-04 01:24 * Messedrocker will have to wait up at least 25 more minutes to see if his kludge is working
2008-02-04 01:24 < Tony_Sidaway> I seem to recall that the cause of the RFC bot's failures is communication failure with the wiki. When the wiki is returning error messages the bot doesn't recognise the errors, and thus interprets the response as an absence of RFCs.
2008-02-04 01:25 < ocee> rfc's are bullshit
2008-02-04 01:25 < Messedrocker> neither betacommand nor i are concerned with that since the bot is capable of fixing that itself
2008-02-04 01:25 < Rinn> Gourmet Race in hard metal!
2008-02-04 01:26 < Messedrocker> Rinn, where did you download this dump?
2008-02-04 01:27 < Rinn> Off of a private torrent tracker.
2008-02-04 01:27 < Messedrocker> would you care to email it to me?
2008-02-04 01:35 < privatemusings> anyone got 5 minutes spare, a mic, skype, and an interest in looking at skypecasts?
2008-02-04 01:36 < amidaniel> Nope.
2008-02-04 01:36 < privatemusings> oh well.
2008-02-04 01:36 < privatemusings> ;-)
2008-02-04 01:37 < privatemusings> anyone know anything about them? quality / issues / usefulness?
2008-02-04 01:52 < Pumpmeup> can I get a !admin to help out with deleted contribs?
2008-02-04 01:52 < tawker> Pumpmeup: sure
2008-02-04 01:56 < Pumpmeup> tawker: could you please copy and paste my deleted contribs into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pumpmeup/Count ? Cheers
2008-02-04 01:58 < tawker> Pumpmeup: done
2008-02-04 01:59 < Pumpmeup> tawker: excellent, cheers
2008-02-04 02:00 < NCC-1701-E> What the hell does "Connection reset by peer" mean?
2008-02-04 02:01 * NCC-1701-E has to go to bed now, will not be on as early due to school, good night!
2008-02-04 02:05 < Mask> http://www.amazon.com/19-0-Historic-Championship-Englands-Unbeatable/dp/1600781500/ref=pd_bbs_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202096320&sr=8-4
2008-02-04 02:57 < loader> Hello everybody :)
2008-02-04 02:57 < nokmar> hi
2008-02-04 03:00 * loader drinks green tea with jasmine
2008-02-04 03:12 < Mike_H> oh, my Lord
2008-02-04 03:12 < nokmar> yes?
2008-02-04 03:20 < loader> <Mike_H> :) what happened?
2008-02-04 03:20 < Lubaf> loader: Jasmine the girl, or jasmine the herb?
2008-02-04 03:20 < loader> herb
2008-02-04 03:20 < Lubaf> If it was the girl, I was kind hoping for "loader drinks jasmine" a bit later.
2008-02-04 03:21 * Lubaf has a perverted mind, sometimes.
2008-02-04 03:21 < loader> :))
2008-02-04 03:22 < loader> not at all. I guess you are just cheery.
2008-02-04 05:34 < ALLSTARecho> did I mention GO GIANTS!! ?
2008-02-04 05:35 * brown_cat tugs at ALLSTARecho's shirt
2008-02-04 05:35 < bumm13> I don't think you did
2008-02-04 05:39 * brown_cat cuddles bumm13
2008-02-04 05:40 < loader> and me?
2008-02-04 05:40 < loader> :(
2008-02-04 05:42 * brown_cat cuddles loader
2008-02-04 05:42 * loader smiles contentedly and goes cook soup
2008-02-04 05:43 < loader> :)
2008-02-04 05:43 < loader> ;)
2008-02-04 06:09 < nickhac> haro1
2008-02-04 06:09 < nickhac> !
2008-02-04 06:16 < Deon> !admin-istrating personnel required.
2008-02-04 06:17 < Deon> !admin
2008-02-04 06:17 < Deon> Hm :/
2008-02-04 06:17 < Deon> :(
2008-02-04 06:17 * Deon feels rejected
2008-02-04 06:17 < wimt_away> Deon, what's up?
2008-02-04 06:17 < slashem> did you try AN/I?
2008-02-04 06:17 < Deon> Not that important :)
2008-02-04 06:17 < Deon> wimt_away: I'll PM
2008-02-04 06:17 < wimt_away> okies
2008-02-04 06:19 * Pumpmeup toddles off to bed
2008-02-04 06:19 < Deon> Night!
2008-02-04 06:20 < lea_w> Is there a better translation for "Begriffsfindung" than "original research"?
2008-02-04 07:07 < Lubaf> lea_w: Crankism?
2008-02-04 07:07 * Lubaf doesn't speakenze Deutch.
2008-02-04 07:08 < Lubaf> Does it carry connotations of "Kook", or merely, "first to do"?
2008-02-04 07:10 < lea_w> Lubaf: No, it means "finding [creating] a term" ("original research" is translated as "Theoriefindung", "finding a theory")
2008-02-04 07:11 < Lubaf> Then there is a better translation...
2008-02-04 07:11 < Lubaf> "Coining a word".
2008-02-04 07:11 < Lubaf> Or "Coining a phrase"
2008-02-04 07:12 < Lubaf> "He has an excess of metametareferences, to coin a word".
2008-02-04 07:14 < lea_w> Lubaf: I'm basically looking for a term to use for AfD's, so this might not do.
2008-02-04 07:14 < Lubaf> Neologism.
2008-02-04 07:14 < Lubaf> A neologism is a made up word.
2008-02-04 07:14 < Lubaf> For example, "metametareferences" is a neologism.
2008-02-04 07:14 < lea_w> Lubaf: Sweet -- thanks!
2008-02-04 07:15 < lea_w> We also have WP:NEO to link to; very good indeed. :)
2008-02-04 07:15 < Lubaf> Just remember that the word is somewhat value neutral.
2008-02-04 07:16 < Lubaf> "Japanimation" was once a neologism, as was "typewriter".
2008-02-04 07:17 < Lubaf> Or for that matter, "television", "Wiki" and "Blogging".
2008-02-04 07:35 < brown_cat> LMFAO
2008-02-04 07:35 < brown_cat> crappiest plot ever
2008-02-04 07:35 < brown_cat> spiked peanut butter xD
2008-02-04 07:36 < PeanutHorst> :)
2008-02-04 07:36 * brown_cat spikes loader's peanut butter
2008-02-04 07:37 * brown_cat gives PeanutHorst some peanut butter
2008-02-04 07:37 < Lubaf> "Here's one for the ladies.... / Rape me / Rape me / My friend..."
2008-02-04 07:37 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-02-04 07:37 * brown_cat cuddles Lubaf
2008-02-04 07:38 < loader> :))
2008-02-04 07:38 < Lubaf> brown_cat: One of my favorite covers of Nirvana, just for that opening.
2008-02-04 07:38 < loader> I had knew one girl who loved this song too...
2008-02-04 07:40 < loader> peanut butter.... that is muck
2008-02-04 07:41 < Lubaf> Richard Cheese and the Lounge Against the Machine, if you care to look it up.
2008-02-04 07:42 < Lubaf> http://youtube.com/watch?v=oY26cTWRzpg <- Here's an AMV of the version I'm talking about.
2008-02-04 07:43 < Lubaf> The finale is really great as well, for entertainment value.
2008-02-04 07:45 < ancjr> Lubaf: l o l
2008-02-04 07:45 < Lubaf> The opening of his cover of Creep: "You know folks, I was talking to my honey the other day, I said to her, I said, Pablo, honey, I said, you go to my head... my Radio head... OK Computer! [Starts singing]"
2008-02-04 08:01 < slashem> nothing ever changes on Wikipedia
2008-02-04 08:01 < pengo> slashem: the picture of the day does
2008-02-04 08:12 < colourinthemeani> alright, wheres the linux experts i once spoke to here? :P
2008-02-04 08:16 < citm> i cant login to wiki, i tried resetting my password and using the one its sent me, but it keeps telling me its incorrect:/
2008-02-04 08:17 < slashem> check your capslock?
2008-02-04 08:18 < citm> yup
2008-02-04 08:18 < citm> i copied and pasted the temp pass it sent me
2008-02-04 08:18 < Snowolf> captcha fine?
2008-02-04 08:18 < slashem> mysterious
2008-02-04 08:19 < citm> captcha ?
2008-02-04 08:19 < citm> i think someone has tried to hack my account
2008-02-04 08:19 < citm> i have recieved 2 emails requesting the password in the last 24 hours
2008-02-04 08:19 < Snowolf> citm: the image on top of the form
2008-02-04 08:19 < slashem> that wouldn't prevent you resetting it
2008-02-04 08:19 < Snowolf> citm: it happens
2008-02-04 08:19 < citm> and i only requested it once
2008-02-04 08:19 < Snowolf> well, I did received a temp one too today
2008-02-04 08:19 < citm> ah yes i have checked the image it asks you to spell a few times
2008-02-04 08:20 < slashem> if it still has your email address there isn't much a hacker can actually do
2008-02-04 08:20 < citm> ahh ok, must have reset a few users then
2008-02-04 08:20 < citm> true slashem
2008-02-04 08:21 < citm> how weird, used my old password and it worked fine now - sorry guys :S
2008-02-04 08:22 < slashem> cool, np
2008-02-04 08:28 < citm> are we allowed to create pages that start with Wikipedia:
2008-02-04 08:28 < citm> if we want to start discussion on a new proposed policy etc?
2008-02-04 08:28 < slashem> you can create an essay, but it is probably good form to start it in your userspace first
2008-02-04 08:30 < citm> Cheers, i came up with a great analogy during an edit war, and I think it should become wikipedia policy, lol
2008-02-04 08:30 < citm> oh wait, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Call_a_spade_a_spade it is :P
2008-02-04 08:30 < citm> not that i came up with the call a spade a spade analogy, but an extention of it
2008-02-04 08:31 < citm> cheers
2008-02-04 08:31 < slashem> there are so many essays on Wikipedia probably everything has been said already
2008-02-04 08:36 < citm> true
2008-02-04 09:04 < Snowolf> everything silent :)
2008-02-04 09:05 < slashem> was there something you wanted to talk about?
2008-02-04 09:05 < citm> ey Snowolf :)
2008-02-04 09:08 < Snowolf> slashem: no, just noticing the sound of silence ;-)
2008-02-04 09:08 < citm> !wireless
2008-02-04 09:08 < citm> woops wrong window :p
2008-02-04 09:08 * slashem hears crickets chirping
2008-02-04 09:10 * Warpath drops a pin
2008-02-04 09:10 * Warpath throws the grenade
2008-02-04 09:11 * Snowolf kicks it towards Warpath
2008-02-04 09:11 * Warpath ducks
2008-02-04 09:27 * citm wonders if warpath is who he is editwarring
2008-02-04 09:27 < citm> editwaring?
2008-02-04 09:28 < Warpath> citm, i stopped editing an hour ago O_o
2008-02-04 09:28 < Mr_Seeker> Hi!
2008-02-04 09:28 < Warpath> hello mate :)
2008-02-04 09:29 < Mr_Seeker> Feel like playing some Mafia with your evil conterparts? :p
2008-02-04 09:29 < Mr_Seeker> (Uncyclopedians)
2008-02-04 09:31 < Mr_Seeker> No..?
2008-02-04 09:40 < Warpath> Mr_Seeker, nah ;)
2008-02-04 09:41 < Warpath> too boring..
2008-02-04 09:41 < Mr_Seeker> Damn :(
2008-02-04 09:41 < Warpath> i ahet ebing a cop :P
2008-02-04 09:41 < Mr_Seeker> Too Boring!
2008-02-04 09:41 < Mr_Seeker> :o
2008-02-04 09:41 < Mr_Seeker> Shame!
2008-02-04 09:41 < Warpath> hate being *
2008-02-04 10:01 < savek> hi
2008-02-04 10:01 < Mr_Seeker> Hi!
2008-02-04 10:40 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-02-04 10:41 < Lubaf> How's pufferfish?
2008-02-04 10:41 < Cyrius> inflated
2008-02-04 10:43 < Sfan00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Chanology Huh?
2008-02-04 10:44 < Sfan00> Soes wikipedia really need to give internet extremists the fule of publicity?
2008-02-04 10:44 < Sfan00> *fuel
2008-02-04 10:44 < Sfan00> Extremits who according to some reports have resorted to CRIMINAL tactics
2008-02-04 10:47 < Lubaf> Sfan00: Not our buisness, actually.
2008-02-04 10:47 < Lubaf> We have articles on [[Al Queda]], [[The Weather Underground]], and [[Hamas]], after all.
2008-02-04 10:48 < Sfan00> Yes, but I still don't think Wikipedia should give a group ublicty
2008-02-04 10:48 < Sfan00> *publicty
2008-02-04 10:49 < Sfan00> reporting on actual actions in NPOV basis maybe
2008-02-04 10:49 < Lubaf> Sfan00: Meh. It's of marginal notability, so go ahead and AfD it.
2008-02-04 10:49 < Lubaf> Its too recent to prod.
2008-02-04 10:49 < Lubaf> {{prod}}, I mean.
2008-02-04 10:49 < Sfan00> It's isn't CSD?
2008-02-04 10:50 < Lubaf> Sfan00: Anope.
2008-02-04 10:50 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-04 10:50 < Sfan00> ROFL
2008-02-04 10:50 < OverlordQ> thought it already was AFD'd and failed
2008-02-04 10:50 < OverlordQ> yea
2008-02-04 10:50 < OverlordQ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Project_Chanology
2008-02-04 10:51 < citm> where all the linux fans? :(
2008-02-04 10:51 * citm cries at his newbunto mistake
2008-02-04 10:51 < Sfan00> It took a certain article on a certain activist 14 attempts at AFD
2008-02-04 10:52 < OverlordQ> true, how many AFD's did it take before GNAA finally got baleeted lol
2008-02-04 10:54 < OverlordQ> rofl 18, jesus
2008-02-04 11:02 < Lubaf> I was kinda hoping it'd go over the big 20.
2008-02-04 11:02 < Lubaf> Sfan00: Yes, but he was notable.
2008-02-04 11:02 < Sfan00> Hmm
2008-02-04 11:02 < Sfan00> At the time maybe
2008-02-04 11:03 < Lubaf> I won't cry / I won't cry / No I won't shed a tear...
2008-02-04 11:40 < Gwern-away> The water's resistance is HUGE!
2008-02-04 11:41 < Gwern-away> CRAWL WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT
2008-02-04 11:43 * bumm13 bums around aimlessly
2008-02-04 11:55 * quanticle trips bumm13
2008-02-04 11:55 < bumm13> oof!
2008-02-04 11:55 * bumm13 almost falls onto his keyboard
2008-02-04 12:02 < Cyrius> hee
2008-02-04 12:02 < Cyrius> http://www.bash.org/?709087
2008-02-04 12:03 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-04 12:03 < Warpath> Cyrius, lol XD XD
2008-02-04 12:03 < quanticle> Cyrius: Heh.
2008-02-04 12:05 < quanticle> Wow. Its quiet in here.
2008-02-04 12:05 < bumm13> yeah, it's been quiet for hours
2008-02-04 12:05 < bumm13> hangovers? ;)
2008-02-04 12:05 < Cyrius> days
2008-02-04 12:05 < quanticle> Everyone is working, apparently.
2008-02-04 12:06 < Warpath> even better XD XD
2008-02-04 12:06 < Warpath> http://www.bash.org/?837510
2008-02-04 12:09 < Warpath> Riana|Sleep, its morning now :)
2008-02-04 12:10 < Riana|Sleep> -.-zzz
2008-02-04 12:15 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-02-04 12:15 < bumm13> hiya Fabexplosive
2008-02-04 12:16 < Fabexplosive> hiho bumm13
2008-02-04 12:28 < Pilotguy> DEATH TO DISCUSSIONS!
2008-02-04 12:32 < eth01> :-/
2008-02-04 12:37 < yetifoot> what should be done if you see an admin get into a revert war, past 3rr, over the most stupid thing?
2008-02-04 12:37 < SPUI> laugh
2008-02-04 12:38 < yetifoot> hah, yeah, i guess not much can be done huh, the click will defend their own :P
2008-02-04 12:38 < Snowolf> yetifoot: AGF please
2008-02-04 12:38 < Snowolf> link?
2008-02-04 12:40 < The359> click?
2008-02-04 12:41 < Warpath> yetifoot, was it Snowolf ? :P
2008-02-04 12:42 < yetifoot> sorry, i meant clique, is there some wiki page i can do it anonymously, in case the guys in here :P
2008-02-04 12:42 < SPUI> you can complain on wikipedia review
2008-02-04 12:42 < SPUI> (heh)
2008-02-04 12:42 < Warpath> wel lthat guy ain't here :P
2008-02-04 12:42 < Snowolf> XD
2008-02-04 12:43 < Warpath> SPUI, wow excellent suggestion...but thats for cry-babies ;)
2008-02-04 12:43 < yetifoot> ha, yeah, i just googled that...
2008-02-04 13:08 * Lady_Aleena needs some inspiration for a category name that is a catch all for things that defy categorization. She doesn't want to use Miscellaneous. This is NOT for Wikipedia or its sister projects.
2008-02-04 13:09 < Lady_Aleena> Any ideas?
2008-02-04 13:15 < Warpath> [[Category:Uncategorised]]
2008-02-04 13:16 < Lady_Aleena> Thanks Warpath...I just wish that the wiki had a clearer structure. I think that the other sysops are putting that on my shoulders. I like to build structure, but not all by myself.
2008-02-04 13:57 < Lady_Aleena> Where would I find out how to create an edit section link in a wiki? I don't see it on [[Help:Link]]. Any ideas where else I would look?
2008-02-04 14:01 < Sfan00> Trye the MediaWiki help pages?
2008-02-04 14:02 < Lady_Aleena> Looking now, but still nothing.
2008-02-04 14:02 < Sfan00> www.mediawiki.org has a section
2008-02-04 14:02 < Sfan00> Lady Aleena : If you mean what i think you mean doesn't appending ?action=edit on the end of url do something?
2008-02-04 14:03 < Lady_Aleena> I was about to try that in the double brackets.
2008-02-04 14:03 < Sfan00> It works for single brackt full URL's
2008-02-04 14:03 < Sfan00> I am not sure it works for [[wiki links
2008-02-04 14:03 < Sfan00> ]]
2008-02-04 14:04 < Lady_Aleena> The latter is what I am looking for, if it exists.
2008-02-04 14:16 < cctoide> Is inquiring about sudden combustion considered medical advice?
2008-02-04 14:17 < Lycurgus_> you mean spontaneous human combustion?
2008-02-04 14:31 < cimon> 'When asked if he would have defended Hitler, Vergès once replied "I would even defend George Bush, if he would plead guilty."'
2008-02-04 14:31 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Verg%C3%A8s
2008-02-04 14:38 < The_sunder_king> where is New York Brad?
2008-02-04 14:43 < ntchswng> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_on_Movin%27 disambiguation page points to an album by Soul II Soul of the same name [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_On_Movin%27_%28album%29 ]
2008-02-04 14:43 < ntchswng> but that's the name of the song, not the album
2008-02-04 14:44 < ntchswng> as far as I know they never had an album by that name
2008-02-04 14:44 < ntchswng> the article title says "Album", but the article speaks only of the song
2008-02-04 15:27 < Agamemnon2> Is there a rule whether stub tags should come before or after categories?
2008-02-04 15:29 < Snowolf> Agamemnon2: I would put them before, but no idea
2008-02-04 15:29 < Omtay38> Agamemnon2: "By convention this is placed at the end of the article, after the External links section, any navigation templates, and the category tags, so that the stub category will appear last. It is usually desirable to leave two blank lines between the first stub template and whatever precedes it."
2008-02-04 15:29 < Omtay38> from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub#Basic_information
2008-02-04 15:29 < Agamemnon2> Oh, bollocks.
2008-02-04 15:29 < Agamemnon2> I've been doing it wrong all these years
2008-02-04 15:29 < Omtay38> :-) it's alright, so have I
2008-02-04 15:31 < Agamemnon2> well, I did have a 50% shot of getting it right
2008-02-04 15:31 < Demi> why two blank lines?
2008-02-04 15:33 < triona> Probably to make sure it stays last.
2008-02-04 15:33 < Demi> i mean why two?
2008-02-04 15:34 * Agamemnon2 tries to decide if a Vice President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston should go under "United States government biography stubs"
2008-02-04 15:34 < The359> http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/kellen_h/ggggkkkk.jpg hmmm....
2008-02-04 15:35 < Jeff_G> Any comments on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Administrators#Status_of_project_page_Wikipedia:Administrators ?
2008-02-04 15:35 * triona is still guilty of using the unsorted stub template... in the time someone takes to find the right category, an article could have been created.
2008-02-04 15:35 < Agamemnon2> hmm
2008-02-04 15:36 < Agamemnon2> there's a category for Federal Reserve presidents, but not vice-presidents
2008-02-04 15:36 < triona> If you put it in a more generic category, someone will cume along and sort it
2008-02-04 15:36 < triona> Stub sorting's turned into a huge example of instruction creep though.
2008-02-04 15:36 < The359> did you just say cum?
2008-02-04 15:37 < triona> arge
2008-02-04 15:37 < triona> argh
2008-02-04 15:37 < triona> COME
2008-02-04 15:37 < triona> and, yes, that actually WAS a typo
2008-02-04 15:37 < Agamemnon2> On the other hand, Category:Stubs is very empty these days
2008-02-04 15:37 < Agamemnon2> only 61 articles right now
2008-02-04 15:38 < triona> probably only possible when your home row consists of aoeuidhtns-
2008-02-04 15:39 < Agamemnon2> [[F.A.A.Y.M. Prince Hall Origin National Compact USA]] <= WTH is this article ABOUT?
2008-02-04 15:40 < The359> F.A.A.Y.M. Prince Hall Origin National Compact USA, obviously
2008-02-04 15:40 < triona> The359: I blame [[Dvorak keyboard]]
2008-02-04 15:41 < Agamemnon2> hah
2008-02-04 15:41 < The359> I blame whoever didn't delete it on sight
2008-02-04 15:41 < Demi> macos x is designed to annoy me
2008-02-04 15:41 < Messedrocker> Demi, Mac OS X makes my day glow with happiness
2008-02-04 15:41 < Messedrocker> what trouble are you having with it?
2008-02-04 15:42 < Demi> all the non-unix you have to do it our way crap
2008-02-04 15:42 < Demi> launchd and StartupItems vs. perfectly straightforward cron and /etc/rc.local
2008-02-04 15:42 < Agamemnon2> The359: True. I think it's about Masonry
2008-02-04 15:42 < Demi> netinfo is another but i'm not actually dealing with that right now
2008-02-04 15:42 < Messedrocker> Demi, there are a lot of UNIX features in Mac OS X
2008-02-04 15:43 < Demi> right now my thing is how you set a file association
2008-02-04 15:44 < triona> It's still creator/type based I think, so if there's still a resedit, I suspect you use that.
2008-02-04 15:44 < Demi> no! or maybe sometimes!
2008-02-04 15:44 < IceKarma> okay, so if tmesis is the noun, what's the adjective? tmetic?
2008-02-04 15:45 < Demi> in any case, i have set a file type association through the Finder/GetInfo, but file type and creator as returned by the API are both empty
2008-02-04 15:45 < triona> Demi: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/resedit/resedit-2.html
2008-02-04 15:46 < Demi> Messedrocker - yes, and i'm sure they're nice when they have not been masked or disabled in favor of pathologically complicated ughness
2008-02-04 15:46 < triona> Demi: it's in the file's resource fork IIRC.
2008-02-04 15:46 < Demi> triona - it is not
2008-02-04 15:46 < Demi> and changing it is not a problem, that's not what i mean
2008-02-04 15:47 < Agamemnon2> You know, is the 6th illegitimate daughter of Louis XIV REALLY worth an article?
2008-02-04 15:47 < Cyrius> resedit, that brings back memories
2008-02-04 15:47 < IceKarma> Agamemnon2, if that's her sole claim to fame, then probably not...
2008-02-04 15:48 < triona> oh wait, resedit didn't carry forward to OS X.
2008-02-04 15:48 < triona> ignore me
2008-02-04 15:48 < Cyrius> it's not like she wrote her own article for promotional purposes
2008-02-04 15:48 < Sfan00> ROFL
2008-02-04 15:48 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-04 15:48 < Filanca`> hi!
2008-02-04 15:48 < Filanca`> hello!
2008-02-04 15:48 < Sfan00> They had Wiki's back then?
2008-02-04 15:49 < cimon> Agamemnon2: Prince Hall masonry is freemasonry for african americans before they were admitted into the more traditional masonic lodges, I don't know if that has relevance to the above article...
2008-02-04 15:49 < loader> ðø
2008-02-04 15:49 < loader> hi
2008-02-04 15:50 * Agamemnon2 notes that walking through UNCAT is a arduous process
2008-02-04 15:52 < Demi> seriously, what the hell? i mean, i know that if a file doesn't have a type or creator it uses file extension to determine--great. but if you set it, through the finder, "open with", for just that file... then what is it setting?
2008-02-04 16:14 < BTuser60> hello
2008-02-04 16:16 < Nakon> yo
2008-02-04 16:16 < BTuser60> i'm french and i'm new here
2008-02-04 16:17 < BTuser60> someone can help me
2008-02-04 16:17 < Demi> bonjour
2008-02-04 16:17 < BTuser60> bonjour
2008-02-04 16:17 < The359> Help with what?
2008-02-04 16:17 < BTuser60> demi parle francais?
2008-02-04 16:17 < Demi> desole, je ne parle pas de francais
2008-02-04 16:17 < The359> you might get better help in #wikipedia-fr
2008-02-04 16:18 * Demi nods
2008-02-04 16:18 < BTuser60> ah ok
2008-02-04 16:18 < BTuser60> this channel is for what?
2008-02-04 16:19 < The359> general discussion, in any language, but we have seperate rooms that concentrate on specific languages
2008-02-04 16:19 < The359> Such as English, German, Italian, French, etc
2008-02-04 16:19 < Nakon> BTuser60: this channel is for everyone, but you may get better help in your language in a specific room
2008-02-04 16:19 < BTuser60> ah ok that fine
2008-02-04 16:19 < gwern> http://wcuk.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/maispace.jpg <-- ye gods. but it's strangely compelling
2008-02-04 16:20 < BTuser60> it's interessanttoo to have opinion of strangers
2008-02-04 16:21 < gwern> from [[fainting goat]]: 'In the past they were used for protecting livestock such as sheep by involuntarily "sacrificing themselves" to predators, allowing the sheep to escape.[3]' <-- aw...
2008-02-04 16:21 * The359 knew that
2008-02-04 16:22 < Demi> we should put "involuntary" in all the articles on livestock
2008-02-04 16:22 < Cyrius> heh
2008-02-04 16:23 < Demi> triona - ah, finder does put it in the resource fork, except when it doesn't, that is, it uses file extension, creator and file type metadata (which are not in resource fork but in filesystem) and resource fork all together
2008-02-04 16:24 < Demi> i mean, if you were wondering
2008-02-04 16:25 < triona> So its a clusterfuck trying to support legacy filesystem features from pre-OSX basically :)
2008-02-04 16:26 < Demi> yes, "clusterfuck" is the technical term
2008-02-04 16:26 < triona> (And that was probably the nice way to put it)
2008-02-04 16:27 < Demi> triona - i found this by consulting all the excellent documentation. no wait, that was in bizarro world, i actually just ran strings on the resource fork
2008-02-04 16:30 * TheWeasel watches a carnival show on TV with a guy who looks like Rudy Giuliani had grown a moustache
2008-02-04 16:30 < Sfan00> Weasel
2008-02-04 16:30 < Sfan00> Your presence in #Wikinews is requested
2008-02-04 16:31 < Nakon> oh noes
2008-02-04 16:35 < White_Cat> TheWeasel if he had a mustache it would be in the shape of 9/11
2008-02-04 16:36 < cimon> TheWeasel: Carnival or Carneval?
2008-02-04 16:37 < mavhc> or carnivale
2008-02-04 16:37 < Cyrius> White_Cat: a handlebar, 9 to 11 inches across
2008-02-04 16:37 < White_Cat> yes
2008-02-04 16:38 < White_Cat> that would be better
2008-02-04 16:38 < White_Cat> how about 9 to 11 feet?
2008-02-04 16:44 < cimon> "Aquitania extends from the river Garonne to the Pyrenaean mountains and to that part of the ocean which is near Spain: it looks between the setting of the sun, and the north star."
2008-02-04 16:45 < cimon> what a poetic way of saying north-west.
2008-02-04 16:47 < eth01> that should be a ';' not ":"
2008-02-04 16:47 < eth01> '-'
2008-02-04 16:52 < IceKarma> no, I think that colon is perfectly fine there
2008-02-04 16:55 < eth01> IceKarma, no, it is not "perfectly fine there".
2008-02-04 16:55 < eth01> but hey, this has nothing to do with me.
2008-02-04 16:55 < eth01> ignore the guy with a Masters degree in English
2008-02-04 16:55 * eth01 wanders off
2008-02-04 16:57 < cimon> snort
2008-02-04 16:58 * brown_cat_nap holds onto eth01
2008-02-04 16:59 < brown_cat_nap> hey Sfan00!
2008-02-04 16:59 < brown_cat_nap> school :'(
2008-02-04 16:59 < Demi> according to my usage authority, a colon is acceptable between two independent clauses when one explains the other.
2008-02-04 16:59 < cimon> Hih, I just learned my mother was born on Imbolg.
2008-02-04 16:59 < Demi> so i count it: "IceKarma 1, English 0" nyah nyah
2008-02-04 16:59 < Sfan00> /ignore brown_cat_nap
2008-02-04 17:00 < brown_cat_nap> why does Sfan00 hate me >:(
2008-02-04 17:00 < Snowcross> hi all
2008-02-04 17:00 < Demi> brown_cat_nap - don't worry. it's not just Sfan00.
2008-02-04 17:00 < brown_cat_nap> Demi: aww, thanks xD
2008-02-04 17:01 < Splunge> HU .......@ ALL ???!!!?????!!!!!!!!!!!111111
2008-02-04 17:01 < brown_cat_nap> hey Splunge
2008-02-04 17:01 < TheWeasel> Shalom.
2008-02-04 17:01 < brown_cat_nap> O_o
2008-02-04 17:01 < Sfan00> The Weasel: If you can find stuff on the German angle re CoS let Wikinews know :)
2008-02-04 17:01 < TheWeasel> Nothing new I guess.
2008-02-04 17:02 < TheWeasel> topic has fallen asleep a bit
2008-02-04 17:02 * cimon sniggers at the thought of a "German Angle"
2008-02-04 17:02 < Sfan00> Whens the toolserv going to be back?
2008-02-04 17:02 < Dodde> anyone here knows if the utf8 character table puts all the chinese characters (also korean hanji and japanese kanji) in the right lexical order?
2008-02-04 17:02 < Sfan00> cimon: Huh?
2008-02-04 17:02 < cimon> Is a German Angle anything like a French Curve?
2008-02-04 17:02 < flemenko> mainpage got deleted?
2008-02-04 17:03 < TrIpLu_xXx_> mainpage got deleted?
2008-02-04 17:03 < Snowolf> yes
2008-02-04 17:03 < TheWeasel> More like a Polish parabola
2008-02-04 17:03 < flemenko> lol fail
2008-02-04 17:03 < flemenko> is there a way to protect the main page?
2008-02-04 17:03 < cimon> Anybody know about the history of backstaffs?
2008-02-04 17:03 < Demi> it generally is protected
2008-02-04 17:03 < Snowolf> flemenko: it is now
2008-02-04 17:03 < Demi> and the templates, too
2008-02-04 17:04 < cimon> sorry, backstaves
2008-02-04 17:04 < Dodde> does chinese has its own wikipedia-channel, maybe my question suits that channel better?
2008-02-04 17:04 < cimon> hmm now I am confused.
2008-02-04 17:04 < cimon> Can the Englihs major in the channel help me backstaves or backstaffs?
2008-02-04 17:04 < cimon> *master
2008-02-04 17:05 < geniice> 83K guys
2008-02-04 17:05 < geniice> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/removal-of-the-pics-of-muhammad-from-wikipedia
2008-02-04 17:06 < cimon> Dodde: #wikipedia-zh perhaps?
2008-02-04 17:06 < TrIpLu_xXx_> lol fail
2008-02-04 17:06 < TrIpLu_xXx_> is there a way to protect the main page?
2008-02-04 17:06 < TheWeasel> Internet petitions.
2008-02-04 17:06 < TheWeasel> o.O
2008-02-04 17:06 < brown_cat_nap> O_o
2008-02-04 17:06 < Dodde> thanks
2008-02-04 17:06 < Dodde> maybe there aren't any folks there
2008-02-04 17:07 < Demi> internet petitions do wonders
2008-02-04 17:07 < Sp00ker> religious accomodations
2008-02-04 17:07 < Sp00ker> lol
2008-02-04 17:07 < cimon> geniice: who are they gonna petition? ARbcom jimbo, Ashcroft?
2008-02-04 17:07 < Demi> i like the ones that threaten us
2008-02-04 17:08 < Sp00ker> But to keep it, you could classify it as islamic art
2008-02-04 17:08 < geniice> Oh sod littlegreenfootballs has picked it up just what we didn't need
2008-02-04 17:08 < Demi> anyway, we're cutting off their internet, one cable at a time, so they'll get theirs
2008-02-04 17:08 < geniice> cimon you
2008-02-04 17:09 < eth01> eh? :)
2008-02-04 17:10 < cimon> geniice: Well, my view is we should follow islamic teaching, which forbids veneration of images, and stays silent about mocking them, except to the point of mandating the mocking of the image of the devil, and even symbolically stoning him...
2008-02-04 17:10 < TheWeasel> LGF will say "for how long will Wikipedia continue its righteous path of hating Muslims till the liberal queers take back over?"
2008-02-04 17:10 < Sfan00> geniice: What's the problem image?
2008-02-04 17:10 < Splunge> Where is Johnreaves?
2008-02-04 17:11 < Sfan00> Can't it be paceholdered pending a deletion debate?
2008-02-04 17:11 < Splunge> i hate him
2008-02-04 17:11 < Demi> i was very tempted to sign that petition asking how wikipedia could elevate such a scurrilous character, whose followers suck eggs and so forth. but that would be childish.
2008-02-04 17:11 < geniice> Sfan00 several see the article in qestion
2008-02-04 17:11 < Sfan00> geniice: Any objections to placeholdering?
2008-02-04 17:11 < Sfan00> Which article?
2008-02-04 17:11 < TheWeasel> Yes there are.
2008-02-04 17:11 * Dj_Remix farts
2008-02-04 17:11 < mavhc> TheWeasel: if only wp wanted truth, not sources, we could eliminate religion
2008-02-04 17:12 < TheWeasel> It's funny how they say "we collected X votes now, they don't do their part of the contract and take em down!"
2008-02-04 17:12 < geniice> Sfan00 we are talking about the Muhammad pics
2008-02-04 17:12 < Demi> i think we should honor every religion. which is really going to fill our day with observance activities, make it kind of hard to keep track of the taboos and our diet will be very limited. of course, sometimes they conflict: in that case i believe they should each choose a champion, fight it out in a wikipedia cage match, and the winner religion will be observed.
2008-02-04 17:12 < TheWeasel> That's precisely what's wrong with online petitions.
2008-02-04 17:12 < Sfan00> Online Petitions are non binding :)
2008-02-04 17:12 < geniice> TheWeasel votes are not under a free license
2008-02-04 17:12 < torch> online petitions are the worst kind of petitions
2008-02-04 17:12 < Sfan00> Pettitions aren;t always acted upon anyway
2008-02-04 17:12 < Sfan00> Even by Governmets
2008-02-04 17:12 < cimon> Demi: did you know that ont all muslims face the same direction while praying?
2008-02-04 17:13 * Mike_H pets Mbimmler
2008-02-04 17:13 < TheWeasel> This petition is utterly pointless.
2008-02-04 17:13 < Sfan00> cimnon: They all pay to Mecca
2008-02-04 17:13 < cimon> Demi: some use rhumb lines, others along a great circle line.
2008-02-04 17:13 < mavhc> cimon: must make it pretty easy to sneak up behind them
2008-02-04 17:13 < Sfan00> *pray
2008-02-04 17:13 < TheWeasel> even more funny is how they seem to think we consider them binding.
2008-02-04 17:13 < Sfan00> Apologies
2008-02-04 17:13 * TrIpLu_xXx_ pets Mbimmler who is bisexual
2008-02-04 17:13 < Sfan00> Unintended typo
2008-02-04 17:13 < cimon> Sfan00: but some use rhumb lines.
2008-02-04 17:13 < Mbimmler> TrIpLu_xXx_, uh what?
2008-02-04 17:14 < Sfan00> All Islamic adherents pray to Mecca
2008-02-04 17:14 < TheWeasel> I hate those pictures myself, but I think they're relevant there.
2008-02-04 17:14 < cimon> which are easier to draw on a flat map.
2008-02-04 17:14 < Demi> TheWeasel - you hate them?
2008-02-04 17:14 < Sfan00> Some Christians used to als pary toward Jeruselam
2008-02-04 17:14 < mavhc> I had an online petition that said "Please cancel Enterprise, it sucks", got some nice hatemail, but in the end they did what I asked
2008-02-04 17:14 < Demi> mavhc - nice
2008-02-04 17:14 < TheWeasel> I do, I think publishing them was utterly ill-conceived
2008-02-04 17:14 < cimon> Sfan00: the question is what does it mean "towards"
2008-02-04 17:15 < Demi> TheWeasel - i favored image tagging and windowshading, based on personal preference, always have
2008-02-04 17:15 < Demi> TheWeasel - oh, you mean the cartoons?
2008-02-04 17:15 < Demi> that's actually not (entirely) what the petition is about
2008-02-04 17:15 < cimon> Sfan00: If you want to travel by a constant compass bearing, the easiest route is by a rhumb line.
2008-02-04 17:15 < mavhc> what happens if you're at the antipodian point to mecca?
2008-02-04 17:15 < TheWeasel> Yea
2008-02-04 17:15 < TheWeasel> oh, it's not?
2008-02-04 17:15 < TheWeasel> I only read it superficially
2008-02-04 17:15 < Sfan00> mavhc: Isn't that in the middle of an ocean?
2008-02-04 17:15 < mavhc> that's the best way to read things
2008-02-04 17:15 < Demi> TheWeasel - it's also about the "regular" images we have in the article on muhammad
2008-02-04 17:15 < TheWeasel> oh
2008-02-04 17:16 < mavhc> Sfan00: most things are
2008-02-04 17:16 < Sfan00> Delete all religon images :)
2008-02-04 17:16 < mavhc> delete all religions
2008-02-04 17:16 < TheWeasel> well if they're culturally relevant