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2008-02-03 12:13 < White_Cat> people war their way to "victory" quite viciously
2008-02-03 12:13 < White_Cat> I noticed on arbcom aside from the epsiode thing there is a highway thing
2008-02-03 12:13 < CMoreschi> eventualism was OK a couple of years ago
2008-02-03 12:13 < CMoreschi> when no one knew about Wikipedia
2008-02-03 12:13 < White_Cat> I wager there is an effort to mass remove highways too
2008-02-03 12:13 < CMoreschi> so it didn't have to be right "right now"
2008-02-03 12:13 < Tony_Sidaway> My views on development of content have swung behind parsimony over time. I no longer consider Wikipedia to be an eventualist project.
2008-02-03 12:13 < CMoreschi> now Wikipedia is such a big thing, immediate quality is more important
2008-02-03 12:14 < Tony_Sidaway> We're in a phase where we can demand high quality from the start.
2008-02-03 12:14 < White_Cat> well CMoreschi if its ame to you I prefer not to talk to you for a while
2008-02-03 12:14 < White_Cat> because I am very suspicious of your motives
2008-02-03 12:14 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway no you cant do that
2008-02-03 12:14 < White_Cat> quality develops over time
2008-02-03 12:14 * CMoreschi grins
2008-02-03 12:14 < SPUI> no, White_Cat, that's not it at all, and you shouldn't assume things
2008-02-03 12:14 < White_Cat> CMoreschi I am suspicious of everyone who threatens me
2008-02-03 12:14 < SPUI> it appears to be some low-level drama
2008-02-03 12:15 < White_Cat> and grinning isnt helping it
2008-02-03 12:15 < CMoreschi> I wouldn't worry, some chap's lining up an ArbCom case to get me desysopped
2008-02-03 12:15 < Leslie_S> Tony_Sidaway pm
2008-02-03 12:15 < Leslie_S> Tony_Sidaway: oh, im not identified. oops.
2008-02-03 12:15 < White_Cat> CMoreschi I am not at all concerned of your adminship
2008-02-03 12:15 < CMoreschi> pity for him he's a banned Neo-Nazi
2008-02-03 12:15 * CMoreschi lols merrily
2008-02-03 12:15 < White_Cat> I never called you names CMoreschi
2008-02-03 12:16 < Tony_Sidaway> OOOh! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Episodes_and_characters_2/Proposed_decision#Halt_to_activities
2008-02-03 12:16 * CMoreschi grins again
2008-02-03 12:16 < Tony_Sidaway> That may affect some of the work I've been doing recently.
2008-02-03 12:16 < Tony_Sidaway> I prodded one article about a segment of an episode this morning.
2008-02-03 12:17 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway I feel everyone shold just stop this nonsense
2008-02-03 12:17 < White_Cat> stop proding afding articles left right
2008-02-03 12:17 < White_Cat> its annoying and is alienating people
2008-02-03 12:17 < NotACow> CMoreschi: congratulations on your impending desysoping
2008-02-03 12:17 < Tony_Sidaway> Prod can't alienate anybody. If they don't like it they just remove the tag.
2008-02-03 12:17 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway I am not saying this about you
2008-02-03 12:17 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorphous_carbonia - woot
2008-02-03 12:18 < White_Cat> if you go mass proding articles in mass qualities while nobody is looking thats bad
2008-02-03 12:18 < White_Cat> some people are doing jsut that
2008-02-03 12:18 < White_Cat> all means to delete episode articles in their view is justified
2008-02-03 12:18 < CMoreschi> NotACow: "impending" is certainly the right word. I'll be surprised if he succeeds, but someone has to eventually
2008-02-03 12:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Well I don't do mass prods. I would get bored, and it *does* alienate people if you do that.
2008-02-03 12:18 < White_Cat> yes
2008-02-03 12:18 < White_Cat> or mass redirectification
2008-02-03 12:19 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway I counted 32 edits by ttn in 11 minutes
2008-02-03 12:19 < White_Cat> thats not his record
2008-02-03 12:19 < Tony_Sidaway> Mass anything, although looking at it another way, doing stuff in a big batch is an established Wikipedia method for *some* kinds of change (just not controversial changes)
2008-02-03 12:19 < White_Cat> was a random pick of time frame
2008-02-03 12:20 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway mass removing vandalism is fine
2008-02-03 12:20 < White_Cat> not becuase vandalism is bad but because such edits are acceptable by consensus
2008-02-03 12:20 < Tony_Sidaway> How about mass tagging of trivia sections?
2008-02-03 12:20 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway well
2008-02-03 12:20 < Leslie_S> hey, how do you do math in excel?
2008-02-03 12:20 < Leslie_S> its been a while..
2008-02-03 12:20 < White_Cat> tagging alone isnt a problem
2008-02-03 12:20 < White_Cat> tagging discreately and then mass removing articles is however
2008-02-03 12:21 < triona> I think mass-tagging is definantely ok.
2008-02-03 12:21 < zocky> accordint to BBC, "There is a history going back several decades of drunken violence breaking out among soldiers on leave."
2008-02-03 12:21 < Tony_Sidaway> Leslie_S: infix notation, cells are a3, ranges are b4:e6
2008-02-03 12:21 < Tony_Sidaway> I think
2008-02-03 12:21 < zocky> hundreds of thousands of years, more like it
2008-02-03 12:21 < cimon> zocky: aye
2008-02-03 12:21 < Tony_Sidaway> Functions are, if I recall correctly, @sin(a10)
2008-02-03 12:21 < triona> Massive substantial changes need to be discussed
2008-02-03 12:21 < White_Cat> triona the thing is
2008-02-03 12:21 < zocky> no, no @
2008-02-03 12:21 < Leslie_S> Tony_Sidaway sin? i just want to divide and multiply
2008-02-03 12:22 < White_Cat> is it ok for me to mass tag like 30 or 50 articles using a merge tag
2008-02-03 12:22 < zocky> Leslie_S, you need "= a1+b2" or whatever
2008-02-03 12:22 < Tony_Sidaway> * / + -
2008-02-03 12:22 < White_Cat> wait a week
2008-02-03 12:22 < White_Cat> then blank
2008-02-03 12:22 < zocky> Leslie_S, the imnportant thing is to start with a "="
2008-02-03 12:22 < White_Cat> aka redirectify
2008-02-03 12:22 < White_Cat> without actualy merging
2008-02-03 12:22 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh yes, prefix with =
2008-02-03 12:22 < Leslie_S> zocky :o
2008-02-03 12:22 < cimon> zocky: not beyond the invention of zymurgy, unless we credit the theory that other psychoactive substances predate hooch...
2008-02-03 12:22 < Tony_Sidaway> Otherwise it treats what you type as a string if it can't make sense of it as a number.
2008-02-03 12:23 < jtizzle1854> what network does the Super Bowl come on today?
2008-02-03 12:23 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway having stub articles or spinout articles is not a problem
2008-02-03 12:23 < Leslie_S> zocky it all flashes back now. thanks.
2008-02-03 12:23 < Leslie_S> zocky i remembered how to do it, just forgot the =.
2008-02-03 12:23 < White_Cat> having large lists of fictional characters
2008-02-03 12:23 < cimon> jtizzle1854: MTV3 in Finland.
2008-02-03 12:23 < White_Cat> I see that as a real problem
2008-02-03 12:23 < White_Cat> becuase I cannot load some of those pages on my firefox browser
2008-02-03 12:24 < White_Cat> TTN and etal offered a solution for it
2008-02-03 12:24 < cimon> jtizzle1854: I would bet fox in the USA.
2008-02-03 12:24 < White_Cat> just trim articles so that they are meaningless
2008-02-03 12:24 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-02-03 12:24 < jtizzle1854> i mean in US
2008-02-03 12:24 < jtizzle1854> in USA
2008-02-03 12:24 < Tony_Sidaway> The spoiler tag thing was an interesting case. David Gerard and another guy basically removed 45,000 spoiler tags in three or four weeks. Hardly any fuss about it, but then we argued about whether there had been consensus for the next six months.
2008-02-03 12:24 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway you seen the bulbasaur discussion?
2008-02-03 12:24 < Tony_Sidaway> And then we wake up one day, the spoiler tag has been nominated for deletion, and it gets deleted after discussion.
2008-02-03 12:24 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway I personaly have no opinion on the spolier tag
2008-02-03 12:25 < Tony_Sidaway> Goes to DRV, gets okayed.
2008-02-03 12:25 < zocky> "argued for six months" != "hardly any fuss about it"
2008-02-03 12:25 < Tony_Sidaway> zocky: I quite agree.
2008-02-03 12:25 < Tony_Sidaway> The argument was post hoc, however.
2008-02-03 12:25 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway I am a big supporter of discussion before mass action
2008-02-03 12:25 < White_Cat> in the case of the spiler tag mass removal
2008-02-03 12:25 < jtizzle1854> ?
2008-02-03 12:25 < White_Cat> I think people might have had a different opinion had they not been removed
2008-02-03 12:25 < Gwern-away> Tony_Sidaway: how could you fuss about it? the only way to undo bot action on that scale is to botstalk their contribs, which obviously would've gotten whoever blocked
2008-02-03 12:25 < White_Cat> of course we will never know
2008-02-03 12:25 < Tony_Sidaway> He started doing a few removes, and then gathered pace as it became evident that there were no objections.
2008-02-03 12:26 * Gwern-away was for it, but that was a very distasteful way to force one's view through
2008-02-03 12:26 * zocky gets out of here before he starts biting people
2008-02-03 12:26 < jtizzle1854> what network does the Super Bowl come on today, in the US?
2008-02-03 12:26 < Tony_Sidaway> Once he'd finished, however, some people came along and said there wasn't consensus. The fact that nobody had jumped up and objected at the time didn't seem to count.
2008-02-03 12:26 < The359> UPN
2008-02-03 12:26 < Leslie_S> and if im paid bi-weekly, whats the correct way to calculate the money i make in a month?
2008-02-03 12:26 < Tony_Sidaway> So it was a less-than-idea case.
2008-02-03 12:26 < triona> I think its a case of disrupting consensus by claiming one doesn't exist.
2008-02-03 12:27 < Leslie_S> and in general calculate between monthly/bi-weekly?
2008-02-03 12:27 < Tony_Sidaway> Leslie_S: multiply your biweekly salary by 26 and divide by 12
2008-02-03 12:27 < Tony_Sidaway> Or 13/6.
2008-02-03 12:27 < Leslie_S> where do those numbers come from?
2008-02-03 12:27 < Leslie_S> and i'm not on salary..
2008-02-03 12:27 < Tony_Sidaway> 26 = 52 / 2
2008-02-03 12:27 < Tony_Sidaway> 12 = months in a year
2008-02-03 12:27 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway what is the definition of notability in your view
2008-02-03 12:27 < Tony_Sidaway> So get your annual salary and divide by 12
2008-02-03 12:28 < White_Cat> because I dont believe secondary sources have anything to do with notability
2008-02-03 12:28 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: I don't believe in notability.
2008-02-03 12:28 < Leslie_S> Tony_Sidaway awesome. perfect number.
2008-02-03 12:28 < triona> I think the RFAr in that case is premature, and it's treading on dangerous territory (matters of content).
2008-02-03 12:28 < Tony_Sidaway> When I was a lad, we learned this kind of thing in school.
2008-02-03 12:29 < Tony_Sidaway> We called it mental arithmetic, and before calculators we would do it in our heads. And I still can.
2008-02-03 12:29 < shimgray> Ah, yes, in Wednesday afternoons, the period before flint-knapping
2008-02-03 12:29 < Tony_Sidaway> hehe
2008-02-03 12:29 < Tony_Sidaway> Yep, that's me.
2008-02-03 12:30 < Leslie_S> Tony_Sidaway and uhm, what about taking my monthly rent and calculating it into bi-weekly?
2008-02-03 12:30 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway do you support the mass removal of star trek articles unless they have out of universe material and secondary sources?
2008-02-03 12:30 < Gwern-away> was that before or after the mud-daubing?
2008-02-03 12:30 < Tony_Sidaway> I support AfDs on them, and possibly mass nominations if a few trial balloons work well.
2008-02-03 12:31 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway why is that?
2008-02-03 12:31 < Tony_Sidaway> Leslie_S: same calculation in reverse. Multiply by 6/13 instead of 13/6
2008-02-03 12:32 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: make a few nominations to see if there is consensus on the principles, then if there is strong consensus identify classes of article that are likely to pass on the same principle.
2008-02-03 12:32 < Leslie_S> Tony_Sidaway cool.
2008-02-03 12:32 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway how about initiate a community wide discussion instead
2008-02-03 12:32 < White_Cat> afds are prone towards deletion
2008-02-03 12:33 < White_Cat> deletionist bias hangs around afds
2008-02-03 12:33 < Tony_Sidaway> Good point.
2008-02-03 12:33 < White_Cat> I can get anything deleted via afd if I do it "right"
2008-02-03 12:33 < Gwern-away> afds are guilty until proven innocent
2008-02-03 12:33 < Tony_Sidaway> Although I have usually found the deletion process to be strongly inclusionist.
2008-02-03 12:33 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway it is if it is something people care about
2008-02-03 12:33 < White_Cat> like star trek articles
2008-02-03 12:33 < Tony_Sidaway> Certainly the school AfDs thing was easy to deal with.
2008-02-03 12:34 < White_Cat> however if it is an anime article thats very easy to afd
2008-02-03 12:34 < White_Cat> because most people who care about anime are in japan
2008-02-03 12:34 < White_Cat> a group of 5 to 8 people can overwhelm any afd towards deletion even if our deletionsist cabal on afds in general doesnt get involved
2008-02-03 12:35 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, I think you may be right there. An article about a Gundam Wing episode, or something, is likely to be easier to dispose of than an episode of TNG.
2008-02-03 12:35 < Gwern-away> notability is really 'ilikeit' or 'idontlikeit'
2008-02-03 12:35 < White_Cat> I just dont see harm in episode articles in general
2008-02-03 12:35 < Gwern-away> anime has a backlash basically
2008-02-03 12:35 * Pilotguy sets White_Cat on fire
2008-02-03 12:35 < triona> I see harm in polluting the namespace with too much pop culture.
2008-02-03 12:35 < Leslie_S> Tony_Sidaway and if i take that biweekly number and divide it by half, that should be a fairly accurate weekly number, right?
2008-02-03 12:35 < White_Cat> now an article on individual quiz shows that might be unecesary
2008-02-03 12:35 < Leslie_S> Tony_Sidaway i'm spreadsheeting, for the record.. :D
2008-02-03 12:35 < White_Cat> but over a show with a story - say gundam wing (your example)
2008-02-03 12:35 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, half of two is one.
2008-02-03 12:36 < White_Cat> I would say no real problem
2008-02-03 12:36 < Gwern-away> other pop culture stuff hasn't had the same backlash as anime, because it isn't in the same boat of having originally been massively geeky & ghettoy but now mainstream
2008-02-03 12:36 < triona> For one, it may stop someone from creating a similarly named article on a more encyclopedic subject.
2008-02-03 12:36 < Gwern-away> triona: yeah, because there are so many name collisions...
2008-02-03 12:36 < White_Cat> triona not realy
2008-02-03 12:36 < White_Cat> we could have a naming convention
2008-02-03 12:36 < White_Cat> episode name (name of the show)
2008-02-03 12:36 < Tony_Sidaway> Leslie_S: and you ignore the extra day in the year (365=52*7+1) because it won't make an appreciable difference to your calculation.
2008-02-03 12:36 < triona> also, it's more articles to watch
2008-02-03 12:37 < White_Cat> thats something trivial to agree on
2008-02-03 12:37 < Leslie_S> Tony_Sidaway yes, but how much should these numbers be trusted?
2008-02-03 12:37 < White_Cat> triona and having more articles to watch is not a bad thing
2008-02-03 12:37 < triona> and when a lot of them can't really be expanded past a plot summary, a lot of cruft.
2008-02-03 12:37 < White_Cat> we have over 2 million now
2008-02-03 12:37 < triona> White_Cat: it is for maintainability.
2008-02-03 12:37 < Gwern-away> triona: are you serious? have you seen the usual episode titles? they're nuts. [[ASUKA STRIKES!]] is not exactly something at risk of colliding with a 'real' Encyclopedic article
2008-02-03 12:37 < White_Cat> triona sure they can
2008-02-03 12:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Leslie_S: they'll be accurate to well within 1%
2008-02-03 12:37 < White_Cat> triona we have more serious issues with neturality on real world topics
2008-02-03 12:37 < triona> we'd have a healthier encyclopedia with closer to 500000 articles.
2008-02-03 12:38 < Gwern-away> besides, if someone is willing to create it, they watchlist it. it's not a zero-sum game
2008-02-03 12:38 < White_Cat> triona we would be much more healtier with just featured artilces
2008-02-03 12:38 < SJFriedl> Asuka Strikes sounds like the name of a band
2008-02-03 12:38 < White_Cat> after all, all articles but featured ones are problematic
2008-02-03 12:38 < White_Cat> or else they would be featured
2008-02-03 12:38 < triona> that too
2008-02-03 12:38 < White_Cat> triona the wikipedia 1.0 team only cares about featured articles
2008-02-03 12:38 < triona> we have a hard time holding ourselves to an encyclopedic standard
2008-02-03 12:38 < Gwern-away> SJFriedl: it isn't
2008-02-03 12:39 < White_Cat> if you want to think about finished works thats featured articles
2008-02-03 12:39 < SJFriedl> wikipedia doesn't think so :-)
2008-02-03 12:39 < White_Cat> triona no we dont
2008-02-03 12:39 < triona> yeah, we do.
2008-02-03 12:39 < White_Cat> because wikipedia does not and will never have a standard
2008-02-03 12:39 < Tony_Sidaway> Only Veropedia articles are of really reliable quality. FA's can be of shockingly low quality and still be featured.
2008-02-03 12:39 < triona> look how many featured articles get unfeatured
2008-02-03 12:39 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway yes
2008-02-03 12:39 < White_Cat> triona we raise the quality level over time
2008-02-03 12:40 < White_Cat> Featuredness isnt an issue
2008-02-03 12:40 < White_Cat> its no big deal
2008-02-03 12:40 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway do you recall the mynknoss restourant article?
2008-02-03 12:40 < Tony_Sidaway> And good featured articles can decay quite quickly
2008-02-03 12:40 < White_Cat> and our discussion back then?
2008-02-03 12:40 < triona> it's not just that, unless there's a bunch of users that REALLY care about an article, they decay
2008-02-03 12:40 < triona> fast
2008-02-03 12:40 < Kingturtle> gmorning
2008-02-03 12:40 < White_Cat> triona yes
2008-02-03 12:41 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: yes, I remember, although recall that I didn't see the problems that you saw in it.
2008-02-03 12:41 < White_Cat> triona you should really think of veropedia for standards
2008-02-03 12:41 < triona> Unfortunately you need someone "owning" an article to keep it at a good quality.
2008-02-03 12:41 < triona> And we chase those people off.
2008-02-03 12:41 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway it was a very short (still short) article about an assasination
2008-02-03 12:41 < Gwern-away> Kingturtle: some of us don't live on worlds with mornings, good or otherwise - you insensitive clod!
2008-02-03 12:41 < White_Cat> its a stub and probably will forever stay as a stub
2008-02-03 12:41 < Kingturtle> is there a place in the namespace that discusses the correct syntax for pluralizing abbrevations? For example, that the plural of WMD is WMDs, not WMD or WMD's
2008-02-03 12:41 < White_Cat> you told me that short articles were ok
2008-02-03 12:41 < White_Cat> that was the major diagreement
2008-02-03 12:42 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, I prefer short articles to long ones.
2008-02-03 12:42 < White_Cat> You convinced me that short articles like that are ok
2008-02-03 12:42 < White_Cat> and now thats what I am basicaly trying to convince you
2008-02-03 12:42 < White_Cat> short articles on episodes should not be banned
2008-02-03 12:42 < Tony_Sidaway> The restaurant has, if I recall correctly, oodles of real world significance.
2008-02-03 12:43 < Tony_Sidaway> It's not like my local McDonald's, where nobody had been blown up.
2008-02-03 12:43 < triona> I don't think we should deliberately enlarge space (create new articles from a large one), until there's enough material to actually make the smaller ones "stand on their own".
2008-02-03 12:44 < Leslie_S> hmm. how much should i figure itll cost me to eat for a week?
2008-02-03 12:44 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway no the restourant has no real world significance
2008-02-03 12:44 < White_Cat> while the assasination has
2008-02-03 12:44 < White_Cat> and had been renamed
2008-02-03 12:44 < triona> Leslie_S: track your expenses.
2008-02-03 12:44 < Leslie_S> triona thats a problem, because i dont pay for my food!
2008-02-03 12:44 < triona> You can eat for 50 a week or less, but you have to make compromises to do it.
2008-02-03 12:44 < Leslie_S> triona i usually eat with my parents...
2008-02-03 12:44 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway and what do you mean by "real world significance"
2008-02-03 12:44 < Leslie_S> triona im considering moving out though, and budgeting for it.
2008-02-03 12:45 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: political signficance of the assassination.
2008-02-03 12:45 < White_Cat> Not every TV episode will have research on it like Shakespere had over the past 400 years
2008-02-03 12:45 < Gwern-away> Leslie_S: start with the limit case, where you spend as little as possible
2008-02-03 12:45 < triona> Leslie_S: figure $50/week minimum, $75/week is more likely.
2008-02-03 12:45 < Tony_Sidaway> Not every TV episode should have an article.
2008-02-03 12:45 < Gwern-away> ie, worst case scenario - you eat dogfood for the majority of your caloric needs
2008-02-03 12:45 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway lets agree to disagree since ideologicaly we have diferences
2008-02-03 12:45 < triona> and understand that means you won't be able to eat out.
2008-02-03 12:46 < Gwern-away> and then work your way up in expenses until you can live with it
2008-02-03 12:46 < White_Cat> and to put it bluntly no matter what I say you wont agree with me .:)
2008-02-03 12:46 < Tony_Sidaway> Doctor Who episodes are some of our best fiction articles. South Park some of the worst.
2008-02-03 12:46 < Kingturtle> is anyone here also currently in #wikipedia-en-admins ?
2008-02-03 12:46 < White_Cat> why should every doctor who episode have an article?
2008-02-03 12:46 < White_Cat> aside form being british
2008-02-03 12:46 < Leslie_S> triona that sucks. $75/week is how much extra ill have after my basic expenses!
2008-02-03 12:46 < Leslie_S> triona and i left my cell phone out of the equation!
2008-02-03 12:46 < Kingturtle> whitecat, every episode of every show should have its own article
2008-02-03 12:46 < triona> Leslie_S: ow.
2008-02-03 12:47 < bumm13> hopefully nobody in here has to resort to eating mud :x
2008-02-03 12:47 < DannyLilithborne> Kingturtle: disagree
2008-02-03 12:47 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: because there are dozens of people collecting loads of information about the productions. And they are big cultural events in the UK, and now lots of Americans, Canadians, Australians and Kiwis are interested too.
2008-02-03 12:47 < bumm13> (like some people in Haiti have)
2008-02-03 12:47 < triona> Leslie_S: you need to try to find rent that's no more than 1/3, preferably no more than 1/4 of your monthly income.
2008-02-03 12:47 < Kingturtle> If someone wants to make an article for every episode of Alf, then let them
2008-02-03 12:47 < White_Cat> interested in the show
2008-02-03 12:48 < White_Cat> so a show only has "real world significance" if production information is easily available?
2008-02-03 12:48 < DannyLilithborne> Kingturtle: sure. on that note, if a bunch of people want to make an article on their toenail collections, we should let them too, cause they *really* want it
2008-02-03 12:48 < Leslie_S> triona that cant happen because of my job....but other people at work make similar amounts of money and live on their own.
2008-02-03 12:48 < Kingturtle> you offend me. comparing toe nails to Alf is really going overboard
2008-02-03 12:48 < Kingturtle> j/k
2008-02-03 12:48 < White_Cat> DannyLilithborne if millions of people watched their tonails sure
2008-02-03 12:48 < kibble> join #wikipedia-en
2008-02-03 12:48 < kibble> oops
2008-02-03 12:49 < DannyLilithborne> D:
2008-02-03 12:49 < White_Cat> if the tonails aired in multiple languages in multiple countries that should make them notable
2008-02-03 12:49 < DannyLilithborne> what a world
2008-02-03 12:49 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway I dont see Dr. Who any more notable than your average anime
2008-02-03 12:49 < DannyLilithborne> i'm melting, oh what a world
2008-02-03 12:49 < Kingturtle> is there a place in the namespace that discusses the correct syntax for pluralizing abbrevations? For example, that the plural of WMD is WMDs, not WMD or WMD's
2008-02-03 12:49 < White_Cat> for example doctor who does not air in Turkey
2008-02-03 12:49 < White_Cat> tehrefore for the people here its useless tv cruft
2008-02-03 12:50 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: viewing figures of some 7-8 million in the UK. That's close to the top soap operas.
2008-02-03 12:50 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway you think some anime have lesser audience?
2008-02-03 12:50 < White_Cat> Naruto is our most visited article
2008-02-03 12:50 < White_Cat> aside from the main page and the article [[Wiki]]
2008-02-03 12:50 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: probably not in English speaking countries.
2008-02-03 12:50 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway it is the most visited article on english wikipedia
2008-02-03 12:50 < Filanca> hi
2008-02-03 12:50 < White_Cat> therefore it probably has a significant audience
2008-02-03 12:51 < DannyLilithborne> that's... kinda sad, actually
2008-02-03 12:51 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: yes, that says something about it.
2008-02-03 12:51 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway it is dubbed in the US
2008-02-03 12:51 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't even know what it is.
2008-02-03 12:51 < Kingturtle> Alfwas shown in Turkey on TRT 1 and TRT 2.
2008-02-03 12:51 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway we dont write about things only english speakers know or care about
2008-02-03 12:51 < White_Cat> Kingturtle perhaps
2008-02-03 12:51 < White_Cat> I dont know
2008-02-03 12:51 < Tony_Sidaway> I can understand Ranma 1/2, but after that anime and manga get a bit hazy for me.
2008-02-03 12:52 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway Ranma 1/2 was never shown in most of the world
2008-02-03 12:52 < Kingturtle> no perhaps. it is on the [[ALF (TV series)]] article. ALF showed in Turkey and Dr Who did not
2008-02-03 12:52 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: I didn't say it was. I've only ever read a translation of the Manga.
2008-02-03 12:52 < Leslie_S> triona so this fucking sucks. i can either live in hell and transition, or move and not transition for a while.
2008-02-03 12:52 < Tony_Sidaway> It happens to be the only manga title I own, or want to own.
2008-02-03 12:52 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway right
2008-02-03 12:53 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway what I am trying to say is shows not shown in english or that have never been translated to english may have articles on them
2008-02-03 12:53 < Tony_Sidaway> Except maybe one of those animes with cute girls in pleated skirts.
2008-02-03 12:53 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway heh
2008-02-03 12:53 < Gwern-away> :) what a broad category
2008-02-03 12:54 < Tony_Sidaway> Gwern-away: yep, that's about 3/4 or all anime
2008-02-03 12:54 < DannyLilithborne> way too many of those
2008-02-03 12:54 < Leslie_S> triona i cant work full time because of school, either. :(
2008-02-03 12:54 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway what damage does articles on anime pose to our encyclopedia?
2008-02-03 12:54 < DannyLilithborne> zillions of anime called Kokoro Kawaii Sugoi Bishonen Neko!! with the same damn plot
2008-02-03 12:54 < Kingturtle> No damage
2008-02-03 12:54 < White_Cat> DannyLilithborne its never the same plot
2008-02-03 12:54 < White_Cat> not with japanese copyright laws
2008-02-03 12:55 < Gwern-away> heart cute super pretty girl cats? I'd watch it!
2008-02-03 12:55 < DannyLilithborne> pretty *boy* cats ^_^
2008-02-03 12:55 < DannyLilithborne> (i messed up)
2008-02-03 12:55 < White_Cat> yes you haveo
2008-02-03 12:55 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: I don't think they cause much damage, except to the quality of coverage. For instance if you have separate articles on the characters it may lower the quality of coverage by dividing it up into the different articles. I've noticed this with a few items I've edited recently.
2008-02-03 12:55 < Leslie_S> cute, boy cats.
2008-02-03 12:55 < White_Cat> you meant Bishojo
2008-02-03 12:55 * Gwern-away read bishoujou for bishonen
2008-02-03 12:55 < Tony_Sidaway> Not anime and mange specifically.
2008-02-03 12:56 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: yes, Bishoujo
2008-02-03 12:56 < DannyLilithborne> there's nothing wrong with an article for all anime
2008-02-03 12:56 < DannyLilithborne> there's something wrong with the fact that there's so damn much of it D:
2008-02-03 12:56 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway I would agree with you on a lack of quality
2008-02-03 12:56 < bumm13> systemic bias?
2008-02-03 12:56 < DannyLilithborne> anime corrupts our precious vital fluids
2008-02-03 12:56 < White_Cat> However I have seen very biased low quality articles on may topics
2008-02-03 12:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Bishonen is pretty boy I think. Bishoujo is pretty girl.
2008-02-03 12:56 < White_Cat> such as articles on Kurds, Armenians, World Wars
2008-02-03 12:56 < White_Cat> I could list a zillion of topics
2008-02-03 12:56 < DannyLilithborne> yeah i meant to type Bishoujo, but i typed that too fast
2008-02-03 12:57 < DannyLilithborne> wanted to get it out before the joke became irrelevant ._.
2008-02-03 12:57 < Gwern-away> DannyLilithborne: thought it was 'bodily fluids'
2008-02-03 12:57 < DannyLilithborne> yeah, it is. see above :D
2008-02-03 12:57 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway I think improving quality shouldnt involve mass removal of pages
2008-02-03 12:57 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway say I want to access wikipedia from a low bandwidth computer
2008-02-03 12:57 < White_Cat> say a han held device in the metro
2008-02-03 12:57 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: I do think it involves merging.
2008-02-03 12:58 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway let me finish
2008-02-03 12:58 < White_Cat> and I want to get info on an anime character from wikipedia
2008-02-03 12:58 < White_Cat> even if it is a major character I would have to pull all information on every character to access it
2008-02-03 12:58 < Tony_Sidaway> I merged a character article to the parent article the other day, because I found that the character wasn't even mentioned on the article about the novel.
2008-02-03 12:58 < Tony_Sidaway> I was able to establish that the character was a major one.
2008-02-03 12:59 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway I dont understand what good mass merging all character artlicles into a long list does for us
2008-02-03 12:59 < DannyLilithborne> is it a good idea to start a sockpuppet report on someone if the suspected sockmaster isn't blocked?
2008-02-03 12:59 < White_Cat> I am not saying each pokemon should have an article mind you
2008-02-03 12:59 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: I don't think it helps either if you just end up with a monster unreadable article.
2008-02-03 13:00 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway but thats what we have right now
2008-02-03 13:00 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, In some cases we do.
2008-02-03 13:00 < White_Cat> for exmaple all character articles are mass merged into a list after heavy trimming
2008-02-03 13:00 < Tony_Sidaway> The articles are in need of trimming and need a lot more information in relation to the real world.
2008-02-03 13:00 < Kingturtle> can you please just call him tony? geez :)
2008-02-03 13:00 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway you may be right
2008-02-03 13:01 < Tony_Sidaway> Kingturtle: it's autocompletion
2008-02-03 13:01 < Kingturtle> it sounds so formal
2008-02-03 13:01 < Kingturtle> Anthony_Sidaway :)
2008-02-03 13:01 < White_Cat> however whats happening is just this
2008-02-03 13:01 < White_Cat> I type ton+tab Kingturtle (kin+tab)
2008-02-03 13:03 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway I think an episode article or a movie article can have a plot more than a paragraph
2008-02-03 13:03 < Kingturtle> isn't it the same number of keystrokes to type tony?
2008-02-03 13:03 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_and_Juliet#Synopsis
2008-02-03 13:04 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet#Synopsis
2008-02-03 13:04 < triona> Kingturtle: it is, but autocompletion is a habit from dealing with longer nicks.
2008-02-03 13:04 < White_Cat> that was written between 1599 and 1601
2008-02-03 13:05 < White_Cat> so at best 400 years passed
2008-02-03 13:05 < White_Cat> now you have 400 year worth of real world info
2008-02-03 13:05 < White_Cat> we shouldnt have to wait 400 years to create articles
2008-02-03 13:06 < Filanca`> i see turkish names are cleared from articles on greek places... should we clear greek names of in articles on turkish places, or will this practice become a double standard?
2008-02-03 13:06 < White_Cat> Filanca` its disruptive and should not have been done
2008-02-03 13:07 < White_Cat> point it out on WP:ANI citing examples of this disruption
2008-02-03 13:07 < White_Cat> dont remove all greek names from turkish cities (per [[WP:POINT]])
2008-02-03 13:07 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway do you see my point?
2008-02-03 13:07 < White_Cat> Hamlet is a featured article by the way
2008-02-03 13:07 < Tony_Sidaway> Filanca`: Greeks are a bit funny like that. Very "not invented here"
2008-02-03 13:08 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway would you happen to know Happosai?
2008-02-03 13:08 < Tony_Sidaway> No
2008-02-03 13:08 < White_Cat> bull
2008-02-03 13:08 < White_Cat> of course you do
2008-02-03 13:08 < White_Cat> Its from Ranma 1/2
2008-02-03 13:08 < White_Cat> The old man
2008-02-03 13:08 < White_Cat> grandfather of ranma
2008-02-03 13:09 < Tony_Sidaway> I have the manga on a shelf but I don't often read it.
2008-02-03 13:09 < White_Cat> heh
2008-02-03 13:09 * Mike_H dances with Tony_Sidaway to "La Isla Bonita"
2008-02-03 13:09 < Tony_Sidaway> good ole Madge
2008-02-03 13:10 < Mike_H> way to make her sound unsexy.
2008-02-03 13:10 * Mike_H flamenco dances.
2008-02-03 13:10 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway I just am having difficulty understanding your standpoint
2008-02-03 13:10 < Mike_H> she's still rockin' it even though she's reaching menopause age.
2008-02-03 13:11 < White_Cat> you are pretty much ok with dr.who episode articles but dont want articles on shows not really famous in the uk
2008-02-03 13:11 < Tony_Sidaway> She's a couple of years younger than me, I think.
2008-02-03 13:11 < Tony_Sidaway> Or older, perhaps.
2008-02-03 13:11 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway no one is older than you :P
2008-02-03 13:11 < Mike_H> Tony_Sidaway: younger.
2008-02-03 13:11 < Mike_H> She will be 50 in August.
2008-02-03 13:12 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: I'm in favor of articles that present useful encyclopedic information. I'm not particularly against articles that don't do this, but if I can make things better by reorganising the information I will do so.
2008-02-03 13:13 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway so you wouldnt mass blank say 24 articles (an etire season)
2008-02-03 13:13 < Tony_Sidaway> At the moment I'm stepping through articles on fictional subjects replacing long, turgid tomes that describe the plot at great length with much shorter ones, usually pulled out of an earlier stage of the same article.
2008-02-03 13:14 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway well how about this
2008-02-03 13:14 < Tony_Sidaway> White_Cat: I haven't yet felt that I needed to do so or that there existed consensus for me to do so.
2008-02-03 13:14 < White_Cat> on a featured episode article there are 3 to 4 sections
2008-02-03 13:14 < White_Cat> not couting referances and external links sections
2008-02-03 13:14 < White_Cat> one of them is for the plot
2008-02-03 13:14 < White_Cat> one of them is for production
2008-02-03 13:15 < White_Cat> one of them is for cu;tural referances
2008-02-03 13:15 < White_Cat> and finaly there is the reception thing
2008-02-03 13:15 < White_Cat> now we do know that all shows have production info
2008-02-03 13:15 < White_Cat> some shows like dr. who this is more easy to get a hold of
2008-02-03 13:16 < White_Cat> all shows under go ratings so reception info does exist
2008-02-03 13:16 < White_Cat> cultural referances is probably the easiest section to fill
2008-02-03 13:16 < White_Cat> right?
2008-02-03 13:27 < Xihix> hmm
2008-02-03 13:27 < Xihix> So, I lost like 10 lb in two weeks
2008-02-03 13:27 < Xihix> not sure if thats really healthy
2008-02-03 13:27 < eth01> ..
2008-02-03 13:29 < Cyrius> probably not, no.
2008-02-03 13:29 < Cyrius> unless you weigh like 400 pounds
2008-02-03 13:30 < Xihix> hmm
2008-02-03 13:30 < Xihix> well
2008-02-03 13:30 < Xihix> I've stopped eating as much recently
2008-02-03 13:30 < White_Cat> Xihix
2008-02-03 13:30 < Xihix> Yes?
2008-02-03 13:30 < White_Cat> I imagine you as a round person
2008-02-03 13:30 < White_Cat> are you
2008-02-03 13:30 < Xihix> why thank you.
2008-02-03 13:30 < Xihix> uhh
2008-02-03 13:30 < Xihix> somewhat, I suppose.
2008-02-03 13:30 < White_Cat> I see
2008-02-03 13:31 < White_Cat> I met such a person that occupied two bus seats and had more tor a third
2008-02-03 13:31 < Xihix> well, I only occupy one seat.
2008-02-03 13:32 < White_Cat> so you arent in my definition of overwheight
2008-02-03 13:32 < Xihix> ah.
2008-02-03 13:32 < Xihix> I weigh 184 lb.
2008-02-03 13:32 < Xihix> not really good.
2008-02-03 13:32 < White_Cat> i wouldnt know
2008-02-03 13:32 < Xihix> does anyone here know the show Cheers well?
2008-02-03 13:32 < Xihix> how much do you weigh?
2008-02-03 13:32 < White_Cat> even the british abendoned the imperial system
2008-02-03 13:33 < White_Cat> 184 pounds = 83.4609961 kilograms
2008-02-03 13:33 < White_Cat> thats pretty normal if you ask me
2008-02-03 13:33 < Xihix> not really for my age.
2008-02-03 13:33 < Xihix> You guys know Ted Danson?
2008-02-03 13:34 < Xihix> wait nevermind
2008-02-03 13:34 < Xihix> I found out
2008-02-03 13:34 < Xihix> The show was called Becker
2008-02-03 13:35 < Xihix> what a silly guy, Ted Danson...
2008-02-03 13:35 < Rinn> I liked Becker.
2008-02-03 13:35 < Xihix> Yeah, it was a good show. I haven't seen it on syndication in a while though.
2008-02-03 13:37 < Rinn> It was like House Lite.
2008-02-03 13:37 < Xihix> well, yeah, I liked the character Ted Danson played.
2008-02-03 13:37 < wmarsh> man I hate how every commercial today has to deal with football... "be sure to intercept good savings at our Super Weekend sale..."
2008-02-03 13:38 < Xihix> early House... good comparison.
2008-02-03 13:42 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway you probably are just cleaning articles
2008-02-03 13:42 < White_Cat> and not making an effort to purge them
2008-02-03 13:42 < White_Cat> there is a HUGE differnece between the two
2008-02-03 13:44 < Xihix> sup Alkivar
2008-02-03 13:46 < White_Cat> Tony_Sidaway you around?
2008-02-03 13:46 < White_Cat> knock knock
2008-02-03 13:46 < White_Cat> :P
2008-02-03 13:49 < SJFriedl> What is the etiquette regarding editing somebody's user page? I often clean up disambiguations, and today I cleaned one up on a user page (change [[Foo]] to [[Foo (bar)|Foo]] - just to be comprehensive - but it occurrred to me that this might be stepping on toes. Is it?
2008-02-03 13:50 < The359> I probably wouldn't have done it
2008-02-03 13:51 < SJFriedl> Hmmm.
2008-02-03 13:51 < SJFriedl> I'd never make an *editorial* change on a user page, but I figured there is some value in cleaning up ambiguities
2008-02-03 13:52 < The359> maybe they wanted it linked for a reason
2008-02-03 13:52 < SJFriedl> I don't get that impression from context.
2008-02-03 13:52 < SJFriedl> but ok, I'll leave them alone in the future
2008-02-03 13:52 < Cyrius> I would not have done it, but I also would not condemn somebody for doing it
2008-02-03 13:52 < The359> yeah, it's no biggie
2008-02-03 13:53 < The359> I've run into it before, and just decided to leave their page alone
2008-02-03 13:53 < The359> Sometimes it was Sandboxes and such
2008-02-03 13:57 < SJFriedl> appreciate the guidance
2008-02-03 13:59 * Mike_H pets SJFriedl
2008-02-03 13:59 < SJFriedl> :-)
2008-02-03 14:04 < Gwern-away> clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
2008-02-03 14:04 < Gwern-away> and here I am, stuck in the middle with you
2008-02-03 14:06 < Snowolf> SJFriedl: I would, but that's 'cause I strongly feel that userpages aren't too much different from other pages.
2008-02-03 14:07 < SJFriedl> I could see a user going either way: 1) Hey, it's my page, leave it alone -vs- 2) Wow, that wasn't ambiguous when I linked it, thanks for the fix
2008-02-03 14:07 < SJFriedl> My Firefox has a link buttin for wikipedia random page, and that's how I always get into wikipedia to do stuff. When I find a disambiguation page, I usually do "who links here" and see what can be cleaned up.
2008-02-03 14:08 < SJFriedl> this was the first time a user page had one that I've tripped across
2008-02-03 14:09 < Cyrius> Gwern-away: worst version of charge of the light brigade ever.
2008-02-03 14:09 < MECU> can someone that knows about proxies help me please (this isn't Wikipedia related)
2008-02-03 14:10 < SJFriedl> MECU - what kind of help ?
2008-02-03 14:10 * SJFriedl knows a bit about proxies
2008-02-03 14:10 * Cyrius knows nothing of proxies
2008-02-03 14:11 * SJFriedl is a network security consultant :-)
2008-02-03 14:12 < MECU> I need/want a proxy from a third-world country to get to a website
2008-02-03 14:13 < MECU> a second world country would probably work too
2008-02-03 14:13 < SJFriedl> for now, avoid the middle east - they are on a modem circuit now because *three* huge fiber lines got cut
2008-02-03 14:13 < Snowolf> SJFriedl: it's on the main page :)
2008-02-03 14:13 < SJFriedl> how about that!
2008-02-03 14:14 < MECU> or a free email address from a 3rd world country
2008-02-03 14:14 < SJFriedl> http://www.tech-faq.com/anonymous-proxies.shtml
2008-02-03 14:14 < MECU> even a spam one might work
2008-02-03 14:14 < SJFriedl> there are all kinds of lists of these things - just google for "anonymous proxy"
2008-02-03 14:14 < SJFriedl> which is a polite way of saying SFTW :-)
2008-02-03 14:15 < SJFriedl> off the top of my head, I don't know of any *particular* proxies that suit your parameters
2008-02-03 14:16 < MECU> guardster.com seems to be working, can't get a PDF through it so gotta try to email it
2008-02-03 14:17 < josh__> I am a wiki fan. I am a wiki booster. I often fix little things, like typos. I am a computer professional (lots of unix and web stuff over the last 10 years).
2008-02-03 14:17 < The359> ok?
2008-02-03 14:17 < josh__> I think the wiki search results have too much information for each item, they should be denser.
2008-02-03 14:18 < The359> how so?
2008-02-03 14:18 < MECU> who hoo! it worked, thanks SJFriedl
2008-02-03 14:18 < josh__> Please reduce the number of vertical pixels used by each item in the search results.
2008-02-03 14:18 < Gwern-away> what, too many lines quoted for each result?
2008-02-03 14:18 < The359> um...
2008-02-03 14:18 < The359> no?
2008-02-03 14:19 < SJFriedl> MECU - we're here to help :-)
2008-02-03 14:19 < The359> why would we want to make it smaller?
2008-02-03 14:19 < Gwern-away> each one is 4 lines, the article name/link, two short excerpted line, and a statistic line
2008-02-03 14:19 < Gwern-away> that last line could probably be dropped, I agree
2008-02-03 14:20 < josh__> The359, to fit more in, of course. Screen real estate is not free. You've read Jakob Nielsen, or some other researcher? People hate scrolling.
2008-02-03 14:20 < josh__> I think the stats aren't totally unimportant, maybe they could be moved to the title line?
2008-02-03 14:20 < The359> Some people have small resolutions
2008-02-03 14:20 < The359> You can't eliminate scrolling
2008-02-03 14:20 < Gwern-away> might not work with long articel titles
2008-02-03 14:20 < josh__> The359, the goal is to reduce scrolling, i'm not an absolutist about it :)
2008-02-03 14:21 < The359> ok
2008-02-03 14:21 < The359> since when is scrolling bad?
2008-02-03 14:21 < josh__> Gwern-away, I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the width could be split 50/50, and long titles could scroll to two lines? not sure
2008-02-03 14:22 < josh__> The359, if you do web design, you will probably benefit from reading Jakob Nielsen's 'classic' on the subject. He cites a lot of research that says people don't like to scroll.
2008-02-03 14:22 < Gwern-away> The359: well, it indicates that someone has done something wrong :)
2008-02-03 14:22 < josh__> Maybe just less empty space _between_ entries.
2008-02-03 14:22 < Gwern-away> you shouldn't be at the search screen in the first place usually
2008-02-03 14:22 < The359> How many people make websites that list search results though?
2008-02-03 14:22 < Gwern-away> there should be a redirect, or a disambig, (or your query makes no sense)
2008-02-03 14:22 < josh__> The359, scrolling is bad == independent of what is on the web page
2008-02-03 14:23 < The359> scrolling is bad != absolute
2008-02-03 14:23 < The359> I'm farily certain any major search engine brings up a scrolled screen for me
2008-02-03 14:23 < The359> Google, Yahoo, MSN, all of them
2008-02-03 14:23 < josh__> That's the problem I have, I've refined it. The problem is the amount of whitespace between entries. There is too much.
2008-02-03 14:23 < The359> looks fine to me
2008-02-03 14:23 < josh__> The359, absolutely)scrolling == bad)
2008-02-03 14:23 < Gwern-away> The359: I like the ff extension which makes google an 'infinite' page - ajaxy loads as you scroll
2008-02-03 14:24 < The359> that'd probably kill my computer trying to do that
2008-02-03 14:24 < josh__> Gwern-away, sounds nice.
2008-02-03 14:24 < Gwern-away> *very* handy. you're much more willing to look at further down results since it's on the same page
2008-02-03 14:24 < The359> I always look well down a page
2008-02-03 14:24 < The359> and usually the first four pages of a search
2008-02-03 14:24 < Gwern-away> josh__: oh, it is. it's one of those things you don't realize bothers you until it is fixed
2008-02-03 14:25 < josh__> Gwern-away, :)
2008-02-03 14:25 * Messedrocker freezes LordMetroid
2008-02-03 14:25 < josh__> Gwern-away, remember what it is called? googling "google firefox" isn't right :)
2008-02-03 14:26 * LordMetroid utters *shirp*
2008-02-03 14:26 * Gwern-away thinks it's called CustomizeGoogle
2008-02-03 14:28 < josh__> Well, I have to get back to reading a book on the Congress of Vienna. Napoleon still hasn't been defeated yet.
2008-02-03 14:28 < SJFriedl> nobody spoil it for him!
2008-02-03 14:28 < josh__> Nobody can spoil it for me, I'm doing research for an original thesis.
2008-02-03 14:29 < josh__> At least, it is original until I find someone else with it, now THAT would be a spoiler. Yet, hasn't happened so far...
2008-02-03 14:29 < josh__> and won't in this book.
2008-02-03 14:29 < josh__> One vote for changing the search results template to reduce the number of blank pixels between entries has been heard.
2008-02-03 14:29 < josh__> byebye
2008-02-03 14:30 < The359> who is Jakob Nielsen and why do I care?
2008-02-03 14:30 < Gwern-away> is it a template?
2008-02-03 14:31 < The359> heh
2008-02-03 14:31 < The359> Jakob Nielsen's website: http://www.useit.com/
2008-02-03 14:31 < The359> For a guy who hates scrolling, he sure uses a lot of spaces
2008-02-03 14:31 < Messedrocker> thats a nice domain
2008-02-03 14:33 < The359> NIN Japan Cake?
2008-02-03 14:59 < White_Cat> I am bored
2008-02-03 14:59 < White_Cat> is anyone else bored?
2008-02-03 15:01 < mavhc> everyone on irc is here because they're bored
2008-02-03 15:02 < White_Cat> I suppose
2008-02-03 15:02 < White_Cat> mavhc wana talk about anything?
2008-02-03 15:04 < mavhc> google is crawling FOAF links and has an API for an open social network
2008-02-03 15:05 < White_Cat> and thats a bad thing?
2008-02-03 15:05 < Sfan00> FOAF links?
2008-02-03 15:05 < White_Cat> is that like FEMA?
2008-02-03 15:05 < White_Cat> FOFEMA?
2008-02-03 15:05 < White_Cat> FOFOFEMA?
2008-02-03 15:05 < White_Cat> FOFOFOFEMA?
2008-02-03 15:05 < mavhc> it's a good thing if it's open
2008-02-03 15:06 < mavhc> http://code.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=13821
2008-02-03 15:09 < mavhc> and http://code.google.com/apis/socialgraph/
2008-02-03 15:20 < loader> hi
2008-02-03 15:22 < Snowolf> hi loader
2008-02-03 15:25 < rory096> wtf just happened?
2008-02-03 15:27 < Mike2> main page disappeared?
2008-02-03 15:27 < rory096> werd
2008-02-03 15:28 < Bennity> ?
2008-02-03 15:28 < rory096> main page was gone for a bit
2008-02-03 15:29 < rory096> #
2008-02-03 15:29 < shimgray> 20:22, 3 February 2008 Maxim (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Main Page" ‎
2008-02-03 15:29 < rory096> # 20:22, February 3, 2008 Maxim (Talk | contribs) deleted "Main Page" ‎ (content was: '<div id="mainpage"></div><!-- ------------------------------Banner across top of page------------------------------> {| style="width:100%; background:#fcfcfc; margin-top:1.2em; border:1px solid #ccc;" |style="width:56%; color:#000"| <!-...')
2008-02-03 15:29 < shimgray> # 20:25, 3 February 2008 Animum (Talk | contribs | block) protected Main Page ‎ (restoring protection [edit=sysop:move=sysop] [cascading]) (Change)
2008-02-03 15:29 < shimgray> # 20:25, 3 February 2008 Animum (Talk | contribs | block) restored "Main Page" ‎ (3,974 revisions restored)
2008-02-03 15:30 < Bennity> lol
2008-02-03 15:37 < Sfan00> Who nuked the main page?
2008-02-03 15:38 < Aqwis> noone?
2008-02-03 15:47 < rory096> stupid computer crashing
2008-02-03 15:48 < Faroframkallande> hi rory096
2008-02-03 15:48 < rory096> hey Faroframkallande
2008-02-03 15:48 < Faroframkallande> what happened to CVN? did they ever let you back in?
2008-02-03 15:48 < Messedrocker> hi rory
2008-02-03 15:49 < rory096> Faroframkallande: yeah, they let me back in a long time ago, after a few months of banning me from all their channels
2008-02-03 15:49 < rory096> hey Messedrocker
2008-02-03 15:49 < Faroframkallande> same happened with me
2008-02-03 16:03 < rory096> stupid computer