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2008-02-01 07:21 < SPUI> snorlax is too
2008-02-01 07:26 < Lubaf> SPUI: Yes, but Ness was the one who got vast amounts of Internet Drama associated with him.
2008-02-01 07:27 < Lubaf> And Mr. Game & Watch was the most bizarre character in Melee, so his reappearance is worth noticing.
2008-02-01 07:27 < SPUI> who cares snorlax fucking owns
2008-02-01 07:29 < Luna-San> I heartily concur with this.
2008-02-01 07:29 < Lubaf> Fair enough.
2008-02-01 07:29 < Cyrius> internet drama?
2008-02-01 07:29 < Luna-San> And goddamnit I've been helping somebody with their fucking essay for almost four hours, now.
2008-02-01 07:30 < Lubaf> Cyrius: You'd have to have been paying attention to the message boards.
2008-02-01 07:30 < Cyrius> I don't.
2008-02-01 07:30 < Lubaf> Basicly, Ness had been in both the previous Smash Brothers games, so people expected him to be in Brawl, as well.
2008-02-01 07:31 < Lubaf> When he wasn't announced, well, people got a little antsy.
2008-02-01 07:31 < Lubaf> And then there were flame wars over whether the phrase "up until now" was official or not.
2008-02-01 07:31 < Mike_H> Luna-San: wtf
2008-02-01 07:31 < Mike_H> internet drama
2008-02-01 07:31 < Mike_H> and I didn't even start it tonight
2008-02-01 07:31 < Mike_H> :D
2008-02-01 07:32 < Lubaf> Anyway, Ness is in.
2008-02-01 07:32 < Luna-San> Heh
2008-02-01 07:32 < SPUI> until snorlax concrete donkeys him that is
2008-02-01 07:32 < Lubaf> And one of Roy or Marth, I forget which.
2008-02-01 07:32 < Lubaf> Doesn't matter.
2008-02-01 07:33 < Lubaf> SPUI: You ever considered running for ArbCom?
2008-02-01 07:33 < SPUI> I have
2008-02-01 07:34 < Cyrius> we need a LolCom
2008-02-01 07:34 < Luna-San> They're not gonna put Ness in?
2008-02-01 07:34 < Cyrius> where we send people to have their petty disagreements ridiculed
2008-02-01 07:34 < Luna-San> But who will PK FIYAH
2008-02-01 07:35 < SPUI> we need a WikipediaIsCommunismCom
2008-02-01 07:35 < slashem> i'm in ur encyclopedia walking on the keys
2008-02-01 07:35 < Luna-San> I should go make a subpage. User:Foo/Ness
2008-02-01 07:35 < Luna-San> And it just says PK FIYAH or PK THUNDAH
2008-02-01 07:36 < Luna-San> Also, Wikipetan should be a character in Brawl
2008-02-01 07:38 < Luna-San> Also also, time for freaking bed. God.
2008-02-01 07:40 < Cyrius> "Microsoft Offers to Buy Yahoo for $44.6 Billion"
2008-02-01 07:47 * Cyrius wonders why his connection is running so slowly =(
2008-02-01 07:49 < Alkivar> http://news.smh.com.au/microsoft-offers-to-buy-yahoo-for-446-bln-dlrs/20080201-1pmh.html
2008-02-01 07:49 < Alkivar> thats rediculous
2008-02-01 07:49 * Cyrius just said that!
2008-02-01 07:49 < NotACow> Cyrius: your squirrels need to be fed.
2008-02-01 07:49 < Alkivar> you didnt give a link cyrius
2008-02-01 07:49 < Alkivar> i'm just providing a link to the story
2008-02-01 07:50 < Warpath> don't trust australian news
2008-02-01 07:50 < NotACow> can't trust aussies
2008-02-01 07:50 < NotACow> they're totally unreliable.
2008-02-01 07:50 < NotACow> what do you expect from a bunch of criminals?
2008-02-01 07:51 < Warpath> ;)
2008-02-01 07:51 < Warpath> former convicts :P
2008-02-01 07:52 * Warpath wonders why England didn;t put the criminals on New Zealand adn made Australia into Queensland ? ;)
2008-02-01 07:53 * brown_cat holds onto Warpath's shirt
2008-02-01 07:53 < Warpath> ewww flea-infested cat :S
2008-02-01 07:54 * brown_cat bites Warpath >:D I AM CLEAN BITCH
2008-02-01 07:54 < Warpath> :O
2008-02-01 07:55 * wimt is confused - I thought brown_cat was a cat and now he turns out to be a clean female dog :-p
2008-02-01 07:56 * brown_cat cuddles wimt ^_^
2008-02-01 07:56 * wimt cuddles back :-)
2008-02-01 08:16 < ThunderBird89> hi
2008-02-01 08:16 < wimt> Hey ThunderBird89
2008-02-01 08:16 < ThunderBird89> anyone here knows about a prog called Maple 11?
2008-02-01 08:16 < LetsGo67> How do I delete my own account?
2008-02-01 08:17 < ThunderBird89> or a Wikipedian by the name Hologram0110?
2008-02-01 08:17 < wimt> LetsGo67, there's no way to delete your account as such - you just stop editing. You can have your userpage deleted if you tag it with {{dbuser}}
2008-02-01 08:17 < LetsGo67> All right.
2008-02-01 08:18 < ThunderBird89> Maple 11, anyone know about it? I'd need some help, if someone can...
2008-02-01 08:26 < brown_cat> HuskyWilGeenExtr: stop it -_-
2008-02-01 08:26 < HuskyWilGeenExtr> ah damned
2008-02-01 08:26 < HuskyWilGeenExtr> sorry
2008-02-01 08:26 < HuskyWilGeenExtr> :)
2008-02-01 08:26 < brown_cat> :)
2008-02-01 08:26 < brown_cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NYC_Subway_Times_Square.jpg <---- erm, is the subway another word for "whore-house casino" ?
2008-02-01 08:27 < huskyr> i thought that was only visible on #wikipedia-nl
2008-02-01 08:27 < huskyr> but the whole wiki IRC network now knows about my identity crisis ;)
2008-02-01 08:28 * brown_cat holds onto huskyr
2008-02-01 08:28 < huskyr> thanks
2008-02-01 08:28 < brown_cat> it's a cat thing xD
2008-02-01 08:28 < brown_cat> huskyr = Makro_Freak?
2008-02-01 08:28 < huskyr> nope
2008-02-01 08:29 < huskyr> huskyr = [[User:Husky]]
2008-02-01 08:31 < Lubaf> So, is everyone here prepared for Tsunami Tuesday?
2008-02-01 08:32 < huskyr> what's going to happen on tuesday?
2008-02-01 08:32 * arcimboldo_ had considered taking half a day off work to watch the results.
2008-02-01 08:33 < Mark_Ryan> tuesday Hillary Clinton will become the next President of the United States.
2008-02-01 08:34 < brown_cat> YAY!!!
2008-02-01 08:34 < huskyr> ah right :)
2008-02-01 08:34 * brown_cat gives Mark_Ryan a cookie
2008-02-01 08:34 < brown_cat> Mark_Ryan: you sure?
2008-02-01 08:34 < Mark_Ryan> brown_cat: how can she lose? She has my endorsement™.
2008-02-01 08:34 < brown_cat> xD
2008-02-01 08:34 < brown_cat> Mark_Ryan: it will be great having a female supreme leader xD
2008-02-01 08:35 < Mark_Ryan> brown_cat: New Zealand and Germany have already sampled the softer side of government
2008-02-01 08:35 < Mark_Ryan> I won't include the UK in there, because, let's face it, Margaret Thatcher can hardly be described as 'soft'
2008-02-01 08:35 < arcimboldo_> And Pakistan.
2008-02-01 08:35 < brown_cat> xD
2008-02-01 08:36 < Mark_Ryan> i saw some African president on SBS last night too
2008-02-01 08:36 < Mark_Ryan> female, I should say
2008-02-01 08:36 * brown_cat stops self from making a distasteful joke regarding women
2008-02-01 08:36 < arcimboldo_> The president of Liberia, I presume?
2008-02-01 08:37 < Mark_Ryan> I'm not sure, off the top of my head
2008-02-01 08:37 * Mark_Ryan discovers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Current_female_heads_of_government
2008-02-01 08:37 < arcimboldo_> There aren't too many other female presidents in Africa.
2008-02-01 08:38 < Mark_Ryan> arcimboldo_: I think it might have actually been the PM of Mozambique who I saw
2008-02-01 08:39 < brown_cat> Mark_Ryan: did I tell you what happened to me when i was skating?
2008-02-01 08:39 < arcimboldo_> Not [[Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf]]?
2008-02-01 08:39 < brown_cat> I skated past me social studies teacher;s house (i didn't know he lived there) when he was watering his grass - he asked me for 2 assignments from last year!! xD
2008-02-01 08:40 < Mark_Ryan> arcimboldo_: really, all I remember about the conversation was the woman saying that her country is safe now after years of strife, and offering her sympathies to the Kenyans, and saying there needs to be help from around the world
2008-02-01 08:40 < Mark_Ryan> brown_cat: you skate boarded? roller skated? or ice skated?
2008-02-01 08:40 < brown_cat> I don''t think I ice skated!!! xD
2008-02-01 08:41 < brown_cat> rollerbladed xD
2008-02-01 08:41 < arcimboldo_> The president of Liberia is quite prominent, so you're much more likely to see her on US TV than the prime minister of Mozambique
2008-02-01 08:45 < Mark_Ryan> arcimboldo_, i just checked their online videos, and it turns out it was the PM of Mozambique :)
2008-02-01 08:46 < arcimboldo_> ok, things happen.
2008-02-01 08:46 < Mark_Ryan> my memory evidently serves me slightly better than I thought :) hah
2008-02-01 09:00 < Shiroi_Neko> I sense a Mark_Ryan in search of answers
2008-02-01 09:00 < Shiroi_Neko> hello Mark_Ryan
2008-02-01 09:00 < Shiroi_Neko> how are you today?
2008-02-01 09:01 < Mark_Ryan> isn't that from Diablo? lol
2008-02-01 09:01 < Mark_Ryan> "I sense a soul in search of answers", man did I hear that far too many times trying to get the witch to sell me lots of stuff
2008-02-01 09:07 < brown_cat> Shiroi_Neko: Mark_Ryan is good :)
2008-02-01 09:07 < Shiroi_Neko> Mark_Ryan thats called Adria
2008-02-01 09:07 * brown_cat has to talk on his behalf
2008-02-01 09:07 < brown_cat> mark is a bit slooooooooooow
2008-02-01 09:07 < Shiroi_Neko> while true that was quoted in Diablo it was also requoted in Starcraft
2008-02-01 09:08 < Shiroi_Neko> you merely have to reclick on the "observer" unit enough times
2008-02-01 09:10 < Shiroi_Neko> Mark_Ryan why do you talk to adria
2008-02-01 09:10 * Shiroi_Neko talks to Griswold more than adria
2008-02-01 09:10 < Shiroi_Neko> I suppose I am chivlarious like that
2008-02-01 09:10 < Shiroi_Neko> down with magic
2008-02-01 09:14 < Lubaf> World of Porncraft?
2008-02-01 09:14 < Lubaf> World of Spycraft?
2008-02-01 09:15 < Lubaf> World of Blogcraft?
2008-02-01 09:15 < Lubaf> World of Civilizationcraft?
2008-02-01 09:15 < Lubaf> World of Toenailcraft?
2008-02-01 09:15 < Lubaf> World of Mintcraft?
2008-02-01 09:15 < slashem> spammer
2008-02-01 09:16 * brown_cat kicks slashem
2008-02-01 09:16 * brown_cat hugs Lubaf
2008-02-01 09:16 < slashem> excuse me, cats GET kicked
2008-02-01 09:16 < Lubaf> slashem: I'm trying to find the most ridiculous combination of "World of *craft" possible.
2008-02-01 09:18 < slashem> world of worldcraft?
2008-02-01 09:18 < brown_cat> slashem: bring it, bitch
2008-02-01 09:18 < Lubaf> The * has to be a single word, though
2008-02-01 09:18 < Lubaf> slashem: Not quite silly enough.
2008-02-01 09:18 < slashem> world of cruftcraft?
2008-02-01 09:18 < Zach> quit saying bring it bitch
2008-02-01 09:18 < Lubaf> World of Worldbuildingcraft, though...
2008-02-01 09:18 < Lubaf> Zach: Or?
2008-02-01 09:18 < brown_cat> Zach: bring it bitch
2008-02-01 09:18 < Zach> or i will
2008-02-01 09:18 < Leslie_school> heys. :o
2008-02-01 09:18 * brown_cat waves to Leslie_school
2008-02-01 09:18 < Leslie_school> I can't believe they actually didn't cancel school today.
2008-02-01 09:18 < brown_cat> xD
2008-02-01 09:18 < Leslie_school> its the only school in the area that isnt closed due to the weather
2008-02-01 09:18 < brown_cat> Leslie_school: what year are you in?
2008-02-01 09:18 < Leslie_school> and the weather is BAD out.
2008-02-01 09:18 < slashem> didn't we just have this conversation a couple hours ago?
2008-02-01 09:18 < Leslie_school> brown_cat im a freshman in college.
2008-02-01 09:18 < brown_cat> Leslie_school: outch, that sucks -_-
2008-02-01 09:18 < Leslie_school> slashem, yes, except now ive actually gotten to school and driven on the roads.
2008-02-01 09:18 < Cyrius> World of Zucchinicraft
2008-02-01 09:18 < Leslie_school> and it really was bad.
2008-02-01 09:19 < brown_cat> Lubaf: http://rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=war&typeofrhyme=perfect&org1=syl&org2=l
2008-02-01 09:19 < Leslie_school> infact, about 5 people showed up for english 101.
2008-02-01 09:19 < brown_cat> xD
2008-02-01 09:19 < Leslie_school> and we made an agreement that if everything else is closed again, we wont come to class.
2008-02-01 09:19 < Lubaf> Cyrius: That's a good one.
2008-02-01 09:20 < Cyrius> World of Needlecraft
2008-02-01 09:20 < Lubaf> I'd declare World of Zucchinicraft the winner, except I expect more late entrants.
2008-02-01 09:20 < Cyrius> "I'm a level 4 embroiderer"
2008-02-01 09:20 < brown_cat> hahaha
2008-02-01 09:21 < Lubaf> If you wanna get down / Down on the ground / Crochet...
2008-02-01 09:21 < Lubaf> She don't lie / She don't lie / She don't lie / Crochet...
2008-02-01 09:25 < Lesli_school> damn this wifi
2008-02-01 09:25 < Lesli_school> for whatever reason, i always get the most unreliable connections to this wifi, but others dont have an issue with it. wtf
2008-02-01 09:28 < Lesli_school> i got that paper done enough last night though. :D
2008-02-01 09:28 < Lesli_school> and the teacher wouldnt have held it against me if i didnt come
2008-02-01 09:30 < bogdan> Roughly a quarter of [Britannica]contributors are deceased"
2008-02-01 09:31 < bogdan> Britannica's
2008-02-01 09:31 < bogdan> we need more dead contributors, too!
2008-02-01 09:31 < bogdan> anyone here good in getting zombies and other dead people to edit wikipedia?
2008-02-01 09:32 < arcimboldo_> [[Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians]] hasn't been updated for a while it seems.
2008-02-01 09:32 < slashem> "I edit for dead people"
2008-02-01 09:32 < Lesli_school> I EDIT FOR DEAD PEOPLE
2008-02-01 09:32 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-02-01 09:32 < Lesli_school> bogdan britannica has also been around for over 100 years longer than us.
2008-02-01 09:33 < bogdan> Lesli_school: since 1768
2008-02-01 09:33 < Mark_Ryan> am I the only one who finds some YouTube videos don't load at full speed? or is it a widespread thing?
2008-02-01 09:34 < Lesli_school> bogdan, REALLY?
2008-02-01 09:34 < Lesli_school> oops, caps lock
2008-02-01 09:34 < slashem> I did not have this problem earlier Mark_Ryan
2008-02-01 09:34 < slashem> is this a recent thing?
2008-02-01 09:35 < bogdan> Lesli_school: yup, it was founded in Scotland, in 1768
2008-02-01 09:35 < Lesli_school> heheh
2008-02-01 09:36 < nsh> hrmrhrm
2008-02-01 09:36 < bogdan> "Wikipedia receives roughly 450 times more traffic than the online version of the Britannica"
2008-02-01 09:36 < quanticle> Did I already miss the Microsoft/Yahoo discussion?
2008-02-01 09:37 < bogdan> quanticle: Yahoo is worthing more than $44 billion, Microsoft will ruin it if they buy it.
2008-02-01 09:38 < slashem> 62% premium, sounds like a good deal to me
2008-02-01 09:38 < bogdan> and if they're thinking they'll get innovation from yahoo, they're wrong.
2008-02-01 09:38 < quanticle> bogdan: Still, all the same, I almost want to see Yahoo ruined. Their complete ineptness in the face of Google doesn't leave much sympathy in my heart.
2008-02-01 09:38 < slashem> I don't care, if I was a yahoo stockholder I would take the money and run
2008-02-01 09:38 < slashem> yahoo is tanking
2008-02-01 09:38 < bogdan> slashem: their stock price has been long undervalued.
2008-02-01 09:39 < quanticle> slashem: Yeah. Same here.
2008-02-01 09:39 < bogdan> slashem: because google was the shining star attracting all the investors.
2008-02-01 09:39 < slashem> hmm, ok then I expect you to retire shortly when the market conforms to your evaluation
2008-02-01 09:39 < bogdan> slashem: it already is.
2008-02-01 09:39 < slashem> er, what?
2008-02-01 09:39 < quanticle> bogdan: That depends on if you think that Yahoo was "undervalued" or incompetent.
2008-02-01 09:39 < bogdan> quanticle: it's incompetent, but it's huge.
2008-02-01 09:39 < quanticle> bogdan: Yahoo's price is increasing because its going to get bought.
2008-02-01 09:39 < slashem> perhaps you are claiming that yahoo stock has risen 62% since microsoft's offer? because that is not what I am seeing
2008-02-01 09:39 < bogdan> quanticle: yup.
2008-02-01 09:40 < bogdan> slashem: in the pre-market trading, it reached 29, up 52%
2008-02-01 09:40 < slashem> aha, so there is still a 10% premium?
2008-02-01 09:40 < quanticle> slashem: There won't be for much longer.
2008-02-01 09:40 < slashem> perhaps this means the market feels that microsoft's offer is still overvalued?
2008-02-01 09:40 < bogdan> slashem: wait until the stock market opens!
2008-02-01 09:40 < slashem> aha, we have such excellent forecasters here
2008-02-01 09:40 < slashem> it is a wonder you are all not billionaires already
2008-02-01 09:41 < quanticle> slashem: The market hasn't officially opened yet. All this increase is in pre-opening trading.
2008-02-01 09:41 < bogdan> slashem: and the one-day traders come in.
2008-02-01 09:41 < slashem> I don't quite see what the market not being officially open yet has to do with it
2008-02-01 09:41 < quanticle> To be honest, I'd be looking to sell Microsoft, right now, not buy Yahoo. I have a feeling that this will turn out as well as the AOL/Time Warner merger.
2008-02-01 09:42 < bogdan> slashem: wait a couple of hours and you'll see.
2008-02-01 09:42 < quanticle> slashem: Pre-trading is restricted. Not everyone can participate.
2008-02-01 09:42 < slashem> um, don't worry, I don't take financial advice given in a chat channel seriously
2008-02-01 09:43 < bogdan> Pre-Market: 28.68 9.50 (49.53%) as of 9:28AM ET on 02/01/08
2008-02-01 09:43 < quanticle> slashem: Yeah. Just sit back and put up CNBC or, if you've got a sense of irony, Yahoo finance and watch the ride...
2008-02-01 09:43 < slashem> nah, I don't watch the market minute-by-minute
2008-02-01 09:43 < bogdan> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=YHOO
2008-02-01 09:44 < slashem> it's just not interesting to me, and not profitable either
2008-02-01 09:44 < slashem> I invest in index funds so I can do something I enjoy with my free time
2008-02-01 09:44 < bogdan> MIcrosoft is going to regret if they buy Yahoo
2008-02-01 09:45 < bogdan> slashem: people who watch their stocks every other minute are idiots.
2008-02-01 09:45 < slashem> yes, I agree
2008-02-01 09:45 < quanticle> slashem: Well, I for one find it rather entertaining. I don't base any real decisions off it, mind you, but it is sometimes fun to watch sentiment swing back and forth on a given company.
2008-02-01 09:45 < bogdan> the ups and downs are just noise.
2008-02-01 09:45 < slashem> well, if it entertains you, I can hardly criticize -- here I am in a chat room, for instance
2008-02-01 09:45 < quanticle> bogdan: But sometimes the noise is entertaining.
2008-02-01 09:46 < Lesli_school> i have the money i need to pay off my car loan in full.
2008-02-01 09:46 < Lesli_school> :D
2008-02-01 09:46 < bogdan> yeah, I like watching the snow falling down. :P
2008-02-01 09:46 < Lesli_school> in my pocket
2008-02-01 09:46 < slashem> anyway, I already said I would sell Yahoo at that price, which implies I feel Microsoft is overvaluing it
2008-02-01 09:46 < bogdan> slashem: yahoo is huge.
2008-02-01 09:46 < bogdan> slashem: I think google is currently overvalued.
2008-02-01 09:47 < slashem> and they've recently announced layoffs and gave pessimistic guidance, if I recall correctly
2008-02-01 09:47 < slashem> I would tend to agree google is overvalued, but that is a different issue, isn't it?
2008-02-01 09:47 < slashem> perhaps at $19.18 yahoo was undervalued, but $31? I don't think so
2008-02-01 09:48 < bogdan> the market capitalizations were: GOOG: $200B and YHOO: $20B
2008-02-01 09:48 < bogdan> I think it's obvious that GOOG does not worth 10x YHOO.
2008-02-01 09:48 < slashem> um, can we see some P/E and revenue comparisons?
2008-02-01 09:48 < quanticle> Say, when does the market open?
2008-02-01 09:48 < slashem> should be open now, shouldn't it?
2008-02-01 09:49 < quanticle> bogdan: I wouldn't trust market capitalizations too much. During the dot-com boom, you had no-name companies achieving massive market capitalizations based on hype alone.
2008-02-01 09:50 < bogdan> YHOO: Revenue $6.7 billion; GOOG: Revenue: US$16.6 billion
2008-02-01 09:50 < bogdan> according to Wikipedia
2008-02-01 09:50 < slashem> and earnings?
2008-02-01 09:50 < bogdan> 0.7B vs. 4.2B
2008-02-01 09:51 < bogdan> anyway, the difference was clearly not 10 times, that's my point.
2008-02-01 09:51 < bogdan> google has been down 25% lately and yahoo up 50%.
2008-02-01 09:51 < bogdan> these were logical events.
2008-02-01 09:51 < quanticle> Well, Morningstar has the full income statement for YHOO if you want to peruse it: http://quicktake.morningstar.com/StockNet/Income10.aspx?Country=USA&Symbol=YHOO
2008-02-01 09:52 < slashem> I don't consider myself able to outsmart the market
2008-02-01 09:53 < bogdan> me neither, I just pretend to :P
2008-02-01 09:53 < bogdan> but google had too much hype.
2008-02-01 09:53 < quanticle> slashem: I can only outsmart the market when real money isn't involved. Its a bit rather like my power of invisibility: I'm only invisible when you're not looking.
2008-02-01 09:54 < slashem> heh, great movie
2008-02-01 09:55 < Lesli_school> wtf is with people who tint their car windows dark...including the windshield?
2008-02-01 09:55 < brown_cat> omg, that is sad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deceased_Wikipedians has citation!!! xD
2008-02-01 09:55 < quanticle> Lesli_school: I thought tinting the windshield was illegal in most places.
2008-02-01 09:56 < slashem> so blu-ray seems to be winning, PS3 is turning a profit, Sony looks like a genius
2008-02-01 09:56 < bogdan> brown_cat: so people wouldn't add missing wikipedians as dead.
2008-02-01 09:56 < quanticle> brown_cat: Wow. Macabre.
2008-02-01 09:56 < brown_cat> xD
2008-02-01 09:57 < quanticle> slashem: I know. I'm shocked too.
2008-02-01 09:57 < brown_cat> bogdan: well, I am dead!
2008-02-01 09:57 < brown_cat> except i have 8 lives :D
2008-02-01 09:57 < slashem> I'm not shocked, although I can't say I expected it either
2008-02-01 09:57 < arcimboldo_> Hehe, Japan beats Microsoft
2008-02-01 09:57 < bogdan> brown_cat: heh :D
2008-02-01 09:57 < slashem> I was rooting for blu-ray and ps3 all along
2008-02-01 09:57 < bogdan> okay, enough market speculation, off to write an article on Wikipedia :P
2008-02-01 09:57 < quanticle> slashem: Too bad there still aren't any good games for the PS3...
2008-02-01 09:58 < slashem> that's not what I heard, although I can't remember the names of the top of my head
2008-02-01 09:58 < slashem> something from insomniac games, I think, a ratchet and clank game?
2008-02-01 09:58 < slashem> or maybe it was an alien-invasion fps
2008-02-01 09:58 < slashem> or both
2008-02-01 09:59 < quanticle> slashem: I've heard good things about Ratchet and Clank, but I really haven't heard of any other good games. It seems that all the blockbuster PlayStation franchises, like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, etc. are all missing in action.
2008-02-01 10:00 < slashem> well maybe as the market grows there will be more incentive -- I read an article somwhere that said all the really good games for PS3 were having disappointing sales
2008-02-01 10:01 < slashem> I am really tempted, although I've always preferred PC games to consoles
2008-02-01 10:02 < quanticle> slashem: The issue with the PS3 has always been framerate, rather than quality. The games usually all have a very nice visual style, but many have framerate issues.
2008-02-01 10:02 < slashem> I did not know that
2008-02-01 10:03 < thedj> makes me think of the early PS2 (or was it even PS) game releases which were also plagued with framerate issue.
2008-02-01 10:03 < quanticle> slashem: The worst part about it is that its difficult to tell if a game will have those issues or not. You can't really determine that from screenshots or gameplay videos.
2008-02-01 10:03 < slashem> can't you play a game in the store before buying it?
2008-02-01 10:04 < slashem> I suppose there is always ThePirateBay
2008-02-01 10:04 < quanticle> thedj: The PS2 really only had framerate issues towards the end, as manufactuers were back-porting some X-Box 360 games to it.
2008-02-01 10:04 < thedj> then it was the PS i guess..
2008-02-01 10:04 < thedj> i must be getting old :D
2008-02-01 10:04 < thedj> i recently had to explain Knight Rider to one of my flatmates...
2008-02-01 10:05 < slashem> OMG I used to love Knight Rider!
2008-02-01 10:05 < quanticle> thedj: Yeah. That makes sense. I do recall the PlayStation had some framerate issues, though I figured that was because of the CD-ROM drive being slow rather than the processor being overextended.
2008-02-01 10:05 < slashem> now that I think about it, was Kit a cylon?
2008-02-01 10:05 < thedj> no, but he will be in the remake :D
2008-02-01 10:06 < slashem> oooh, a SEXY cylon!
2008-02-01 10:06 < slashem> ride me baby!
2008-02-01 10:06 < quanticle> What the hell did KITT stand for anyway?
2008-02-01 10:06 < quanticle> I
2008-02-01 10:06 < quanticle> 've completely forgotten.
2008-02-01 10:06 < slashem> I didn't know it stood for anything
2008-02-01 10:07 < thedj> Knight Industries Two Thousand
2008-02-01 10:07 < quanticle> thedj: Yeah.
2008-02-01 10:07 < slashem> hahahaha
2008-02-01 10:07 < quanticle> I just looked that up on WP
2008-02-01 10:08 < thedj> i have watched every episode of that series at least 3 times i think. each once late eighties (original european broadcasts), and twice in the late 90s.
2008-02-01 10:09 < slashem> oh my, that is so ... sad
2008-02-01 10:09 < thedj> i also tried to recently watch MacGyver again, but that is just too outdated.
2008-02-01 10:09 < slashem> macgyver was very big in taiwan
2008-02-01 10:09 < slashem> all the parents loved it there, showed nonviolent problem solving
2008-02-01 10:10 < quanticle> thedj: MacGuyver was like the '80s version of Solid Snake.
2008-02-01 10:11 < thedj> lol
2008-02-01 10:12 < The359> non-violence is for pussies
2008-02-01 10:13 < quanticle> And, if you've noticed the evolution of the game, Solid Snake looks more and more like MacGuyver as time goes on.
2008-02-01 10:14 < TheWeasel> Back.
2008-02-01 10:15 < nsh> ACHRONISTICALLY
2008-02-01 10:15 < nsh> baby
2008-02-01 10:15 < TheWeasel> Ana- or a- ?
2008-02-01 10:15 < nsh> A-
2008-02-01 10:15 < TheWeasel> 'cause "chronos" is Greek
2008-02-01 10:15 < nsh> TIMELESSLY, AND IN BIG LETTERS
2008-02-01 10:15 < TheWeasel> extemporistically
2008-02-01 10:15 < nsh> you trying to tell me what affixes i can apply to which roots?!?
2008-02-01 10:16 < TheWeasel> "well, are you, punk?"
2008-02-01 10:16 * nsh smiles
2008-02-01 10:16 < nsh> http://www.drbilllong.com/Words/Achron.html
2008-02-01 10:17 < TheWeasel> oh...
2008-02-01 10:17 < TheWeasel> lovely bit of descriptivism there
2008-02-01 10:17 < arcimboldo_> Half a million people stranded in a single train station ...
2008-02-01 10:17 < TheWeasel> China?
2008-02-01 10:18 < arcimboldo_> yep
2008-02-01 10:18 < Misa_> there isnt a train station large enough to hold 500000 ppl even in China
2008-02-01 10:18 < Misa_> though there are 170m ppl on the move for Chinese New Year
2008-02-01 10:19 < TheWeasel> World class desaster management looks differently.
2008-02-01 10:22 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-02-01 10:22 < quanticle> Hi Fab.
2008-02-01 10:22 < TheWeasel> hey
2008-02-01 10:22 < nsh> {{{€{{,{{{^,///,\{{€=]
2008-02-01 10:23 < Fabexplosive> hey quanticle
2008-02-01 10:23 < Mark_Ryan> lol, I have audio playing somewhere on my computer (a WikiNews audio news brief) and I've closed all the windows it could be...
2008-02-01 10:23 < Fabexplosive> hey The
2008-02-01 10:23 * Mark_Ryan kicks java for being a stupid piece of crap
2008-02-01 10:23 < Fabexplosive> *theWeasel
2008-02-01 10:23 < Fabexplosive> and mark ryan
2008-02-01 10:24 < Mark_Ryan> hi Fabexplosive :)
2008-02-01 10:24 < quanticle> Mark: What did java do to you this time?
2008-02-01 10:25 < Mark_Ryan> quanticle: it kept playing an audio file from WikiNews despite me having closed all the wikinews tabs
2008-02-01 10:25 < quanticle> Did you have a remnant process or something?
2008-02-01 10:25 < Mark_Ryan> it's probably internet explorer being stupid and failing to unload the java applet
2008-02-01 10:25 < Mark_Ryan> it stopped when i shut the browser entirel
2008-02-01 10:25 < Mark_Ryan> y
2008-02-01 10:39 < minerale> why can't i overwrite images in commons?
2008-02-01 10:40 < minerale> i'm trying to update an image and I can't seem to be able to upload a new version
2008-02-01 10:40 < minerale> (I'll use a different username, just that would be a bit more confusing in the future)
2008-02-01 10:41 < thedj> minerale: can you be more specific ? which image?
2008-02-01 10:42 < thedj> have you considered that the image might be cached and that you need to do a forced refresh of the page in your browser ?
2008-02-01 10:43 < minerale> thedj: no, it won't let me upload the update
2008-02-01 10:43 < minerale> saying it already exists
2008-02-01 10:43 < quanticle> minerale: Naming conflict?
2008-02-01 10:43 < minerale> how else do I upload a new version of an image
2008-02-01 10:44 < minerale> Image:Super Duper Tuesday 2008.png -- I uploaded this updated version: Image:Super Duper Tuesday 2008-2.png
2008-02-01 10:46 < thedj> well, first of all, why upload OVER that image in the first place ?
2008-02-01 10:46 < thedj> they are diffentent in what they reflect.
2008-02-01 10:47 < minerale> well, the image was initially two colors
2008-02-01 10:47 < minerale> then it became three, for republican, democratic & both
2008-02-01 10:47 < NotACow> uploading over an imae shoud only be done when the new image is the SAME image, simply reprocessed
2008-02-01 10:47 < NotACow> if the content is different do not use the same name
2008-02-01 10:47 < SPUI> or if there's an actual error
2008-02-01 10:47 < minerale> Not true,
2008-02-01 10:48 < SPUI> but [[Image:Super Duper Tuesday 2008.png]] shouldn't have that name then
2008-02-01 10:48 < SPUI> it should be [[Image:Super Duper Tuesday 2008 as of whenever.png]]
2008-02-01 10:48 < minerale> I"m simply enhancing an article sing that image
2008-02-01 10:48 < thedj> or if the image reflects a "current status" and the older image is archived.
2008-02-01 10:49 < SPUI> anyway <minerale> why can't i overwrite images in commons?
2008-02-01 10:49 < SPUI> your account is too new
2008-02-01 10:50 < minerale> were they not supposed to have single sign on by now? for all wikis
2008-02-01 10:50 < SPUI> ron paul will do that
2008-02-01 10:50 < thedj> minerale: you are not supposed to overwrite other peoples work with you own work if they are different.
2008-02-01 10:50 < minerale> no, he'll veto it, it's not in the constitution
2008-02-01 10:50 < thedj> minerale: it has nothing to do with using one image...
2008-02-01 10:50 < minerale> thedj: [[cite please]]
2008-02-01 10:51 < thedj> are you kidding me... ? ok, i'll go look it up for you...
2008-02-01 10:51 < minerale> I'll upload, change anything I want if I believe it makes the article better
2008-02-01 10:51 < minerale> I won't conform to this pseudo-bureocracy that comes out of thin air
2008-02-01 10:51 < thedj> minerale: such behaviour that disrespects others will get you blocked at some point.
2008-02-01 10:52 < NotACow> minerale: yes, because YOU ARE IN CHARGE after all
2008-02-01 10:52 < minerale> [[WP:BE BOLD]]
2008-02-01 10:52 < NotACow> that doesn't say "BE STUPID"
2008-02-01 10:52 < NotACow> or "BE A DICK"
2008-02-01 10:53 < minerale> i'm still waiting for citation from thedj
2008-02-01 10:53 < NotACow> why do you need one?
2008-02-01 10:53 < NotACow> can't you just see that doing what you're proposing is rude and inconsiderate to other contributors?
2008-02-01 10:53 < NotACow> and NOT DO IT?
2008-02-01 10:54 < NotACow> oh, wait
2008-02-01 10:54 < NotACow> "BE BOLD"
2008-02-01 10:54 < NotACow> that means "BE AN ASSHOLE WHEN I WANT TO BE", i forgot.
2008-02-01 10:54 < SPUI> I hate when I can't tell if someone is trolling
2008-02-01 10:57 < NotACow> SPUI: i'm always trolling. :)
2008-02-01 10:58 < NotACow> SPUI: just ask newyorkbrad
2008-02-01 10:59 < thedj> minerale: " For example, one person may want to make a given image green and the other person may want to make it red. After talking about it and attempting to reach a consensus, they may realise that there might be a need for both a green and a red image. In that case, the sensible solution is of course to upload two or more separate files,"
2008-02-01 11:00 < thedj> this is exactly targeted to cases such as yours. Some people might feel that your image contains "more" information that the original image was not intended to reflect for instance. That means that having two seperate named files are appropriate.
2008-02-01 11:00 < thedj> this is a quote from "Commons:Ownershipt of pages and files"
2008-02-01 11:01 < SPUI> oh ok, it is that sort of thing
2008-02-01 11:01 < SPUI> I thought it was just a correction/update
2008-02-01 11:01 < thedj> eh... "Commons:Ownership of pages and files"
2008-02-01 11:02 < SPUI> the new one should be something like [[Image:Super Duper Tuesday 2008 with earlier votes.png]]
2008-02-01 11:02 < thedj> yup.
2008-02-01 11:13 * Pilotguy waits for the dj to play that funky music
2008-02-01 11:16 < NotACow> ATTACK OF THE KILLER KITTENS!
2008-02-01 11:33 < Harland1> Hi
2008-02-01 11:34 < Harland1> Err
2008-02-01 11:41 < TheWeasel> Err-ing is human.
2008-02-01 11:43 * TheWeasel yawns profusely
2008-02-01 11:51 < NotACow> earrings are human?
2008-02-01 11:52 < TheWeasel> Some are also chav.
2008-02-01 11:55 < RambutanWP> Hi, could an admin take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#IP_address_-_privacy_implications.3F please? Nothing urgent, but I'd be interested to see a response.
2008-02-01 12:00 < NotASpy> nothing much we can do, your IP address would appear to be known on the project. Repeated posting of it everywhere though could constitute harassment and/or disruption.
2008-02-01 12:00 < RambutanWP> My point exactly, NotASpy.
2008-02-01 12:01 < RambutanWP> I'm not even suggesting oversight, and I think it ought to stay in the history, but I don't think it needs flashing around, say, it will come up on Google. Those who need to know, do know and can find out.
2008-02-01 12:04 < nsh> what else do you say instead of "on the same page"
2008-02-01 12:04 < nsh> to express a common understanding
2008-02-01 12:11 < The359> wtf
2008-02-01 12:11 < The359> "Hello, is this Derek?" "No, sorry, you have the wrong number." "This isn't Derek?" "There's no one here by that name" "Then who am I speaking to?" "You have the wrong number, goodbye" *click*
2008-02-01 12:12 < The359> stupid people
2008-02-01 12:12 < Axeman> All right
2008-02-01 12:12 < Axeman> what the fuck is going on?
2008-02-01 12:12 < Axeman> I logged onto my computer today and e erything was reset
2008-02-01 12:13 < Axeman> my documents was empty, firefox had no bookmarks, I had to reinstall IRC
2008-02-01 12:13 < TheWeasel> Wrong account?
2008-02-01 12:14 < Axeman> in Documents and Settings my ducoments were still there
2008-02-01 12:14 < Axeman> it's weird
2008-02-01 12:14 < Axeman> when I open my docs from the start menu the path is C:\\Documents and Settings\TEMP\Axeman and it's empty
2008-02-01 12:15 < Axeman> but when I open my docs from C:\\ the path is C:\\Documents and Settings\Axeman and everything's there
2008-02-01 12:15 < Axeman> Wut.
2008-02-01 12:16 < huskyr> that seems logical
2008-02-01 12:16 < huskyr> i suppose you didn't put all your documents in the TEMP directory
2008-02-01 12:17 < Axeman> meh.
2008-02-01 12:17 < Axeman> I just want to know if it'll delete all my documents if I log out or whatever
2008-02-01 12:17 < huskyr> the contents of a 'TEMP' directory get deleted once in a while i suppose
2008-02-01 12:21 < LOUD_CAT> TOO QUIET IN HERE
2008-02-01 12:22 < Thx> *silent*
2008-02-01 12:29 < Axeman> ahhaa
2008-02-01 12:29 < Axeman> husky: the TEMP directory has nothing. all my docs are in the regular tree
2008-02-01 12:30 < Axeman> anyway
2008-02-01 12:30 < Axeman> so...
2008-02-01 12:30 < Axeman> I'm kinda bored.
2008-02-01 12:30 < Axeman> Today, I will create 200 sockpuppets so I can change the article [[Axe]] to state the fact that purple axes are superior! Aaaaahahahahahahaha!
2008-02-01 12:30 * Axeman no, not seriously
2008-02-01 12:30 * Axeman but can you imagine? :P
2008-02-01 12:42 < antymon> is there a wikipedia user experience/usability group?
2008-02-01 12:43 < huskyr> hmm
2008-02-01 12:43 < huskyr> not as far as i know
2008-02-01 12:43 < huskyr> but i might be a good idea to start one
2008-02-01 12:43 < huskyr> i'm not sure what you're exactly expecting from a usability group
2008-02-01 12:45 < antymon> huskyr: i just think that mediawiki could be better :)
2008-02-01 12:45 < mavhc> so more of a mediawiki user experience/usability group?
2008-02-01 12:46 < antymon> huskyr: anyway we don't know what made wikipedia rock. and we don;t know where it sux
2008-02-01 12:46 < antymon> realy. we don;t know :)
2008-02-01 12:46 < TheWeasel> I would guess the two reasons overlap.
2008-02-01 12:47 < huskyr> If i had the time i would make a new user interface for Wikipedia
2008-02-01 12:47 < Supaplex> how do I include a different article?
2008-02-01 12:47 < antymon> to start with good questions is a good thing
2008-02-01 12:47 < huskyr> it works, but in terms of usability it's pretty terrible
2008-02-01 12:47 < antymon> huskyr: yep
2008-02-01 12:47 < antymon> huskyr: and maybe it's good enough and changes are risky
2008-02-01 12:47 < huskyr> especially because everyone works with templates it all gets very ugly and hacky
2008-02-01 12:48 < antymon> huskyr: but i believe that good design can support projects
2008-02-01 12:48 < huskyr> antymon: yeah
2008-02-01 12:48 < antymon> (design = not only how it looks)
2008-02-01 12:48 < huskyr> the problem is that it has grown organically
2008-02-01 12:48 < huskyr> and it's very difficult to make a design that doesn't break it
2008-02-01 12:48 < antymon> but F*CK. we don't know. and avoiding this question is a bad thing :)
2008-02-01 12:49 < antymon> huskyr: i'm not thinkng about revolutions
2008-02-01 12:49 < huskyr> no, it shouldn't be a complete overhaul
2008-02-01 12:49 < huskyr> the main focus should be that people can find things more easily
2008-02-01 12:50 < antymon> i'm just suprosed that such a big project ignores UX issues
2008-02-01 12:50 < huskyr> it takes ages, even for somebody who's an experiences wikipedian (like me) to find stuff
2008-02-01 12:50 < huskyr> well, it's not that bad considering sites like MySpace
2008-02-01 12:50 < huskyr> that's even more terrible in terms of user interface design
2008-02-01 12:50 < antymon> surprised even
2008-02-01 12:50 < antymon> ;)
2008-02-01 12:51 < huskyr> :)
2008-02-01 12:51 < antymon> huskyr: don;t you know. it's called social design. give THEM tools to hurt each other :)
2008-02-01 12:51 < huskyr> haha
2008-02-01 12:51 < huskyr> but seriously, you can have a site where people can adapt stuff and change things and still be good in terms of user interface design
2008-02-01 12:52 < huskyr> Flickr for example
2008-02-01 12:52 < huskyr> i think that's a really good example of a very organic site that is still navigitable
2008-02-01 12:52 < antymon> yep
2008-02-01 12:54 < Supaplex> ah ha. I figured out transclusion. I was sourcing the wrong article, but apparently it doesn't have to be a template to source it. yay.
2008-02-01 12:55 < antymon> huskyr: do you think it's orth trying?
2008-02-01 12:56 < huskyr> sure
2008-02-01 12:56 < huskyr> to start some kind of user interface group you mean?
2008-02-01 12:57 < antymon> huskyr: nothing formal... but to start asking questions. i don't believe that ux/usability should be "experts"-only job
2008-02-01 13:00 < huskyr> antymon: no, i agree with you. Although making a design is something that can really improve from having a few experts
2008-02-01 13:01 < antymon> huskyr: and i was thinking about openusability and other guy. anyway wikipedia is just to big toy for me to fight with it individually
2008-02-01 13:02 < antymon> s/guy/guys
2008-02-01 13:02 < huskyr> well, do you have a user account on any wiki projects?
2008-02-01 13:02 < antymon> polish wikipedia i think (i'm not sure it's a global account)
2008-02-01 13:03 < huskyr> no, it's not
2008-02-01 13:03 < huskyr> there is no 'Single User Login' (yet)
2008-02-01 13:04 < antymon> i must admit that i don;t contribute much and it's usually easier to do it anonymously
2008-02-01 13:04 < antymon> :)
2008-02-01 13:04 < huskyr> maybe you could open an account on meta.wikimedia.org and post some of your observations over there
2008-02-01 13:05 < The359> how exactly is it easier to do it anonymously?
2008-02-01 13:06 < antymon> The359: you don't have to remember username ;)
2008-02-01 13:07 < The359> But you can't create new articles, and if you don't have a static IP it's hard for people to discuss things with you
2008-02-01 13:15 < antymon> The359: but i'm infrequent user.
2008-02-01 13:15 < antymon> The359: not a power-user like you :)
2008-02-01 13:19 < Brian_M> Snow day! (Yay)
2008-02-01 13:19 < Kasu> Brian_M: I know how ya feel. And it feels gooooood.
2008-02-01 13:20 < Brian_M> It's my first snow day in 3 years and I'm enjoying it
2008-02-01 13:21 < nsh> what's the expression called when you pull your mouth to the side a bit to show that you're pondering something
2008-02-01 13:21 < nsh> ?
2008-02-01 13:23 < Brian_M> no idea
2008-02-01 13:26 < Kasu> nsh: Confused?
2008-02-01 13:27 * nsh frowns
2008-02-01 13:27 < nsh> <frown, smile, laugh, grimmace, ...>
2008-02-01 13:27 < nsh> these are expressions
2008-02-01 13:27 < nsh> <annoyed, happy, amused, confused, ...>
2008-02-01 13:27 < nsh> these are states
2008-02-01 13:28 < Kasu> No, Illinois, Colorado, Wyoming, and Florida are states.
2008-02-01 13:28 * nsh smiles
2008-02-01 13:29 < Kasu> Do you want a banana? Peel it down and go mm-mm-mm-mm?
2008-02-01 13:33 < kenlyric> I don't think that expression has a name.
2008-02-01 13:47 * Lubaf wonders what the song "Behind Red Eyes" would be like.
2008-02-01 14:52 < a_thing> What's the difference between {{cite journal}} and {{cite science}}? Which one should I use?
2008-02-01 14:54 < minerale> a_thing: rebel from the templates and manually cite it
2008-02-01 15:00 < Kasu> Netsplit!
2008-02-01 15:00 < a_thing> minerale: The templates are easier and (theoretically) could be used to easily convert the cites into different formats.
2008-02-01 15:10 < bumm13> '
2008-02-01 15:11 < Messedrocker> ''
2008-02-01 15:12 < str4nd> '''
2008-02-01 15:25 < WikiHelper> I know this may sound odd but can you salt "* on wheels" so users can't vandalise move pages to Example = Example on Wheels? Or are there articles which have "on wheels" in the name?
2008-02-01 15:25 < Axeman> wjat
2008-02-01 15:25 < Axeman> Miranda...
2008-02-01 15:25 * Axeman pokes Miranda
2008-02-01 15:27 < Axeman> WikiHelper: a lot of articles have on wheels in title
2008-02-01 15:27 < Axeman> bsides, they'd just move things to "on stilts" or "on rails", "on wheeels", "0n w#33l5", wtc ad infinitum
2008-02-01 15:28 < WikiHelper> oh
2008-02-01 15:28 < Axeman> hmmm
2008-02-01 15:28 < Axeman> what is your on-wiki username?
2008-02-01 15:29 < WikiHelper> [[User:Thehelpfulone]]
2008-02-01 15:29 < WikiHelper> it is on my cloak, though I am waiting for a Wikipedia cloak :)
2008-02-01 15:29 < bluefoxicy> Microsoft apparently just tried to buy Yahoo
2008-02-01 15:29 < Axeman> oic
2008-02-01 15:29 < Axeman> I'm
2008-02-01 15:29 < Axeman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lumberjake
2008-02-01 15:30 < WikiHelper> I'm a bit unknown to the abberviations: OIC means?
2008-02-01 15:32 < Cowman109> Oh, I see.
2008-02-01 15:32 < Cowman109> :D
2008-02-01 15:34 < Cowman109> When did the toolserver go into a coma?
2008-02-01 15:34 < FastLizard4> Cowman109: When /hasn't/ the toolserver been in a coma?
2008-02-01 15:34 < Cowman109> Right.
2008-02-01 15:37 < Sfan00> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Envelopes_containing_white_powder_sent_to_Church_of_Scientology_locations_in_southern_California%2C_USA
2008-02-01 15:37 < Sfan00> Hmm
2008-02-01 15:37 < Sfan00> Someones being very brave or more likley very very very stupid
2008-02-01 15:37 < Cowman109> Protests on scientology are ramping up...
2008-02-01 15:38 < Cowman109> And it looks like some wikinews writers are really interested in publishing stories about every one of them, heh.
2008-02-01 15:38 < WikiHelper> admin request please: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:CURRENTMINUTE can you remove the "see also:" section as that template has been deleted. Thanks :)
2008-02-01 15:38 < Sfan00> Well this powder thing is serious
2008-02-01 15:38 * Fabexplosive goodnight
2008-02-01 15:39 < Sfan00> You don't as a legitmate protest group send hoax packages
2008-02-01 15:39 < Faroframkallande> Sfan00: it's not legitimate protest
2008-02-01 15:39 < Sfan00> Furthermore you don't send such packages to yourself ;)
2008-02-01 15:39 < Faroframkallande> come on, it's 4chan
2008-02-01 15:39 < Sfan00> Anon == 4Chan?
2008-02-01 15:39 < Faroframkallande> yes
2008-02-01 15:39 < Rinn> Used to be. Not so anymore.
2008-02-01 15:40 < Cowman109> Well there's no evidence that it's the 'main' protest group.
2008-02-01 15:40 < Sfan00> Personally when there's a protest it may or may not be news
2008-02-01 15:40 < Faroframkallande> have you not scene that FOX report?
2008-02-01 15:40 < Sfan00> I don't coutn FOX as WP:RS
2008-02-01 15:40 < Faroframkallande> Sfan00: I know
2008-02-01 15:40 < Cowman109> Really? :D
2008-02-01 15:40 < Faroframkallande> it was bullshit
2008-02-01 15:40 < Faroframkallande> but hilariously funny
2008-02-01 15:41 < Messedrocker> most news outlets aren't reliable sources
2008-02-01 15:41 < Faroframkallande> I applaud the organisation they've put into it, but that's it
2008-02-01 15:41 < Messedrocker> except for news, usually
2008-02-01 15:41 < Sfan00> Fox isn't even reliable for news I'm told ;) :O
2008-02-01 15:41 < Rinn> I don't really think it has any organization. A few people just do things here and there.
2008-02-01 15:41 < Faroframkallande> Sfan00: "Mark Foley (D)" is all I need to prove that they're unreliable
2008-02-01 15:43 < Messedrocker> they fail at trying to discredit democrats
2008-02-01 15:43 < Sfan00> rinn: They claim to have a big following planned Rinn
2008-02-01 15:43 < Sfan00> I doubt it
2008-02-01 15:44 < Sfan00> Personally I can see it being a small group of hackers who are in for a nasty suprise when the 'more' radical of tactics used by less disprate and mianstream emmebers of thier group backfire
2008-02-01 15:44 < Sfan00> Terrorism charges aren't easy to defend in the current climate
2008-02-01 15:45 < Rinn> I've been "on the inside" before.
2008-02-01 15:45 < Sfan00> Incidentaly, is anyone checking Scientology articles on Wikipedia for vandal attack
2008-02-01 15:45 < Sfan00> ?