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2008-01-24 16:42 < geimfyglid> I find it very offensiv
2008-01-24 16:42 < Arnomane> geimfyglid: several other votes are at least close or similar to sock puppeting
2008-01-24 16:43 < Arnomane> geimfyglid: just take the time and at least *try* to understand my anger and my despair
2008-01-24 16:43 < geimfyglid> if You have no evidence You simply can't run around and calling anyone sockedpuppet, idiot or troll, thanks
2008-01-24 16:45 < Arnomane> fine
2008-01-24 16:46 < brianmc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y1X3KOVRgE
2008-01-24 16:50 < Arnomane> well sad that it always works that way: someone really has some troubles and asks for some time, others tell him that he is using the wrong words and so on... in the end someone is posting something off-topic in order to stop the debate/make it silly and in the end a further furstrated person leaves....
2008-01-24 16:51 < Arnomane> intersting meme
2008-01-24 17:38 < Thogo> Arnomane: Btw., requests for closing (or cleaning up) projects are not votings. It's like WP:LD on dewiki. Only arguments are important there, you can even subscribe under pro *and* under contra if you feel like having arguments for both. So they can come and use dozens of sockpuppets, it doesn't matter at all. Just so you know.
2008-01-24 17:38 < Thogo> good night
2008-01-24 17:39 < Arnomane> Thogo: I'd love if it would work that way. but all I can see is that people in meta just count votes, abd decide according to that
2008-01-24 17:40 < Arnomane> I haven't seen a single request that was not decided in a binary fashion according to mere vote count, maybe I am just blind...
2008-01-24 20:42 < Dragonfly6-7> I have someone on OTRS who wants to donate 10,000 Czech koruny (559 USD), on the condition that it be used solely for cz.wiki
2008-01-24 20:43 < Dragonfly6-7> is that feasible?
2008-01-24 20:44 < Pathoschild> Not really, unless we use it to rent a server for cz.wiki.
2008-01-24 20:44 < Pathoschild> Maybe we can pay one of the developers to fulfill cz.wiki requests, or something?
2008-01-24 20:44 * kibble nods
2008-01-24 20:44 < kibble> it's possible
2008-01-24 20:44 < kibble> Dragonfly6-7: send it to wm-donations
2008-01-24 20:45 < Nick1915> strange, mainly 'cause WM-CZ doesn't exist yet
2008-01-24 20:45 < kibble> let them handle it
2008-01-24 20:45 < kibble> but we allow donations such as that
2008-01-24 20:45 < Dragonfly6-7> well, it's "the Czech-language Wikipedia"
2008-01-24 20:45 < Dragonfly6-7> I don't know exactly what it would be called
2008-01-24 20:45 < Dragonfly6-7> ah, cs.wikipedia
2008-01-24 20:46 < Nick1915> yep
2008-01-24 20:46 < Nick1915> cestina
2008-01-24 20:47 < Dragonfly6-7> kibble says it's feasible, pathoschild says it ain't
2008-01-24 20:47 < Dragonfly6-7> wonderful
2008-01-24 20:48 < kibble> believe me, I'm smarter :-D
2008-01-24 20:48 < Shanel> Well, he said not really.
2008-01-24 20:48 * Shanel confirms.
2008-01-24 20:48 < kibble> :-)
2008-01-24 20:48 < Dragonfly6-7> Shanel - who are you confirming?
2008-01-24 20:48 < Shanel> kibble :P
2008-01-24 20:48 < kibble> :-D
2008-01-24 20:49 < Dragonfly6-7> please don't make smily-faces in such contexts; it makes it difficult for me to tell if you're serious or being wry
2008-01-24 20:49 < Dragonfly6-7> Shanel, are you confirming that it's possible?
2008-01-24 20:49 < Pathoschild> Dragonfly6-7: It's a sort-of-feasible-spend-it-on-something-pseudouseful kind of feasible.
2008-01-24 20:49 < Pathoschild> Dragonfly6-7: Forward it to wm-donations, like kibble suggested?
2008-01-24 20:49 < Shanel> Confirming kibble is of higher IQ.
2008-01-24 20:49 < Pathoschild> :O
2008-01-24 20:50 < Dragonfly6-7> wm-donations@wikimedia.org ?
2008-01-24 20:50 < Nick1915> the donor could wait some time, so he'd donate really to the new WM-CZ chapter :)
2008-01-24 20:50 < kibble> Dragonfly6-7: it's a queue
2008-01-24 20:50 < Pathoschild> Dragonfly6-7: Couldn't you just move queue? I think wm-donations is OTRS too.
2008-01-24 20:51 < kibble> "wm-donations"
2008-01-24 20:51 < Dragonfly6-7> Nick1915, please don't use smileys in such contexts. I have no idea if you're being serious or if you just made that up.
2008-01-24 20:51 < kibble> proof, I was right :-D
2008-01-24 20:51 < kibble> Charities based in the United States -- like the Wikimedia Foundation -- are required to honor restrictions requested by donors. That means if you specify your donation needs to be restricted for a specific use, we will either honor your request or return your donation. But before you decide to do that, please consider that unrestricted donations are much more useful for us. As quickly as...
2008-01-24 20:51 < kibble> * Can I give you a targeted or restricted donation -- meaning, can I give you money to do something very specific, that can't be used for other purposes?
2008-01-24 20:51 < kibble> ...Wikimedia's projects evolve, Wikimedia needs unrestricted donations to remain agile.
2008-01-24 20:51 < Nick1915> Dragonfly6-7: I'm serious
2008-01-24 20:51 < kibble> from http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising_FAQ
2008-01-24 20:52 < Dragonfly6-7> dammit, remind me how to shift it into a different queue
2008-01-24 20:52 < kibble> go to the bottom of the ticket
2008-01-24 20:52 < Nick1915> brb
2008-01-24 20:53 < kibble> see the drop down menu on the right hand side that says "move to queue"
2008-01-24 20:53 < kibble> and then select "wm-donations"
2008-01-24 20:53 < Dragonfly6-7> ah, there it is. Thank you.
2008-01-24 20:53 < kibble> :-)
2008-01-24 20:53 < Dragonfly6-7> should I unlock it first?
2008-01-24 20:53 < Dragonfly6-7> ah, unlocked as a result
2008-01-24 20:53 < Dragonfly6-7> okay
2008-01-24 20:54 < kibble> that was a little difficult ;-)
2008-01-25 05:55 < pfctdayelise> hi guillom|busy , i have a q for you
2008-01-25 05:56 < guillom|busy> hi pfctdayelise ; sure, go ahead
2008-01-25 05:56 < pfctdayelise> is there CMYK wikimedia logos for printing?
2008-01-25 05:56 < pfctdayelise> i see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikimedia_logo_text_RGB.svg
2008-01-25 05:57 < guillom|busy> hmmm
2008-01-25 05:58 < guillom|busy> what filetype would you need ?
2008-01-25 05:58 < pfctdayelise> all bad ones
2008-01-25 05:59 < pfctdayelise> svg or pdf
2008-01-25 05:59 < pfctdayelise> i can use
2008-01-25 06:00 < pfctdayelise> EPS accepted altho i cant open that file myself...
2008-01-25 06:06 < guillom|busy> pfctdayelise, i've looked around but couldn't find other files ; you could ask delphine, she made the SVG
2008-01-25 06:06 < pfctdayelise> :(
2008-01-25 06:07 < guillom|busy> the CMYK colors are indicated there : http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_visual_identity_guidelines#Color_specifications
2008-01-25 06:07 < guillom|busy> and I think delphine will have the appropriate software to convert any file to a CMYK (i don't have such a software)
2008-01-25 06:27 < Submarine> pfctdayelise: yo
2008-01-25 06:27 < pfctdayelise> hi Submarine
2008-01-25 06:50 * dungodung huggles pfctdayelise
2008-01-25 06:50 * pfctdayelise enjoys unexpected huggles :)
2008-01-25 06:50 < dungodung> :)
2008-01-25 06:50 < pfctdayelise> 'sup?
2008-01-25 06:51 < dungodung> nuttin' much :)
2008-01-25 06:51 < dungodung> have to study :(
2008-01-25 06:51 < pfctdayelise> boo
2008-01-25 06:54 < Submarine> This discussion about crediting photographers is silly.
2008-01-25 06:54 < pfctdayelise> i agree
2008-01-25 06:55 < Submarine> pfctdayelise: By the way what is the current state of the money grant for illustrations?
2008-01-25 06:55 < pfctdayelise> Submarine: state is waiting for me to get unbusy
2008-01-25 06:56 < Submarine> pfctdayelise: Did I mention the legal problem to you?
2008-01-25 06:56 < pfctdayelise> likely by the 4th
2008-01-25 06:56 < pfctdayelise> maybe, don't know...
2008-01-25 06:57 < Submarine> Ok. I mentioned the grant to Mike Godwin and we discussed whether this could make it appear like the Foundation is a publisher and not a hosting provider.
2008-01-25 06:57 < Submarine> I then proposed the usual solution when an organization has two activities that could be incompatible legally: create a spinoff.
2008-01-25 06:58 < Submarine> From a legal point of view it could be safer if there was some kind of "Free Content Foundation" that was administratively charged with the grant money.
2008-01-25 06:58 < Submarine> but not the Wikimedia Foundation directly
2008-01-25 06:58 < pfctdayelise> and what was the conclusion?
2008-01-25 06:59 < Submarine> As you probably know, Wikimedia France is not kept informed of the decisions of the Wikimedia Foundation, so I don't know.
2008-01-25 06:59 < pfctdayelise> mike never told you ?
2008-01-25 07:00 < Submarine> As a matter of fact, we learned about this grant in the first place through the press... or at the same time it was appearing in the press.
2008-01-25 07:00 < pfctdayelise> hm
2008-01-25 07:01 < pfctdayelise> i think it was discussed on internal-l and wmfcc-l well before it got to press
2008-01-25 08:49 < KaZeR> hello world.
2008-01-25 08:50 < KaZeR> how do i link to a user account? i'm building a list of users who contributed to something, and i'd like to link their name in the list to their own page in mediawiki
2008-01-25 08:50 < KaZeR> i tride [[User:nick]] but it doesn't seem to be ok (displays User:nick instead of nick
2008-01-25 08:50 < Majorly> KaZeR: try asking in #mediawiki
2008-01-25 08:50 < KaZeR> ok thanks
2008-01-25 08:50 < KaZeR> sorry for the confusion
2008-01-25 08:51 < KaZeR> have a nice day
2008-01-25 11:42 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-01-25 11:45 < Fabexplosive> hey Thogo
2008-01-25 11:47 < Thogo> buona sera Fabexplosive :)
2008-01-25 11:47 < Fabexplosive> :)
2008-01-25 15:01 < Filnik> byez!
2008-01-25 15:24 < sdsf> ciao
2008-01-25 16:28 < Sundance_Raphael> n8
2008-01-25 16:33 < schiste> http://www.cracked.com/article_15825_internet-party-what-happens-when-googles-parents-leave-town-weekend.html enjoy ^^
2008-01-25 16:49 < Majorly> !test
2008-01-25 16:49 < Majorlybot> Majorly, your attention is wanted by Majorly
2008-01-25 16:50 < Majorly> !testing
2008-01-25 16:50 < Majorlybot> Majorly, your attention is wanted by Majorly
2008-01-25 16:50 < chuck> !testing
2008-01-25 16:50 < chuck> aww
2008-01-25 16:50 < Majorly> fail
2008-01-25 16:50 < chuck> major fail
2008-01-25 16:50 < Majorly> majorly fail
2008-01-25 16:50 < chuck> !alias test chuck, your attention is wanted by !sender!
2008-01-25 16:50 < wbot> Alias test has been added.
2008-01-25 16:50 < chuck> !test
2008-01-25 16:50 < wbot> chuck, your attention is wanted by chuck
2008-01-25 16:51 < Majorly> o rly
2008-01-25 16:51 < chuck> ya rly
2008-01-25 16:51 < Majorly> Pathoschild: should it be admin@meta or @metawiki
2008-01-25 16:52 < Pathoschild> The "!" is needed to disambiguate keywords from normal usage; imagine a rights log bot, right example. :)
2008-01-25 16:53 < Majorly> ok, so is it meta or metawiki
2008-01-25 16:53 < Shanel> meta
2008-01-25 16:53 < Shanel> He's an ass like that.
2008-01-25 16:53 < Pathoschild> It's currently !+admin@meta, if that's what you mean.
2008-01-25 16:53 < Majorly> ok
2008-01-25 16:53 < Pathoschild> Yep.
2008-01-25 16:54 * Pathoschild points at [[m:IRC stalkwords]].
2008-01-25 16:54 < Majorly> ok it only pings me
2008-01-25 16:54 < Majorly> I can add ppl who want to be pings
2008-01-25 16:54 < Majorly> pinged8
2008-01-25 16:55 * Pathoschild raises his hand.
2008-01-25 16:55 * Pathoschild raises Shanel's hand.
2008-01-25 16:55 < Shanel> Ass.
2008-01-25 16:56 < Majorly> ookay
2008-01-25 16:57 < Majorly> I don't think the commoners liked it much
2008-01-25 16:57 * Pathoschild shrugs.
2008-01-25 16:58 * Pathoschild smacks useless nested templates.
2008-01-25 16:58 < Pathoschild> {{I2}} transcludes {{I}} transcludes {{indent}} transcludes "<br /><br />".
2008-01-25 17:04 < Majorly> lol.. unilinky: idle for 1 minute, 26 seconds (on since 09 December 2007 10:59:39)
2008-01-25 17:04 < Majorly> hi Phoenix-wiki
2008-01-25 17:05 < Phoenix-wiki> hey Majorly :-)
2008-01-25 17:38 < britty> hiho
2008-01-25 17:40 < Majorly> I've nominated the most users for adminship on Meta-wiki
2008-01-25 17:40 < Majorly> and performed the most renames
2008-01-25 17:40 * PatriciaR clap clap
2008-01-25 17:50 < britty> Majorly, since 2004 perhaps yes
2008-01-25 17:50 * britty don't know before that
2008-01-25 17:59 < dalton_ausente> PatriciaR #c4ll
2008-01-25 18:00 < PatriciaR> dalton_ausente: LEAVE ME ALONE
2008-01-25 18:00 < dalton_ausente> PatriciaR: "leave" and let die
2008-01-25 18:10 < Pathoschild> '"Modulo", remainder of division after truncating both operands to an integer.'
2008-01-25 18:11 * Pathoschild wonders who many non-computer science people understand that.
2008-01-25 18:11 < Pathoschild> how* many.
2008-01-25 18:12 < PatriciaR> wha, that's basic maths
2008-01-25 18:12 < Pathoschild> Caveat, div and mod are different from all programming languages. ;)
2008-01-25 18:13 < PatriciaR> btw, I was joking ;)
2008-01-25 18:13 < Pathoschild> :P
2008-01-25 18:19 < Pathoschild> Is this better? '"Modulo" truncates the numbers to whole numbers, divides the first by the second, and returns the remainder that could not be divided.'
2008-01-25 18:20 < Pathoschild> (There are examples to go with it.)
2008-01-25 18:21 * Arria huggles Pathoschild
2008-01-25 18:22 < Pathoschild> :D
2008-01-25 18:22 < Pathoschild> Hi Arria. :)
2008-01-25 18:26 < eia> Pathoschild: I'd first define that it's a mathematical operation in the real numbers
2008-01-25 18:26 < eia> not sure if it also works for irreal numbers...
2008-01-25 18:27 < Pathoschild> I don't think ParserFunctions recognize irrational numbers. :)
2008-01-25 18:28 < Pathoschild> Unreal*.
2008-01-25 18:28 < Pathoschild> Imaginary*? >_>
2008-01-25 18:28 < eia> that doesn't mean the mathematical operation doesn't work too :)
2008-01-25 18:28 < eia> i mean, programs are just stupid
2008-01-25 18:28 < eia> and yes, for instance imaginary
2008-01-25 18:29 < eia> anyway, find the true definition too :P
2008-01-25 18:29 * Pathoschild lazes.
2008-01-25 18:29 < Pathoschild> Good enough. :P
2008-01-25 18:30 * eia wonders what would happen is it would be 0.005 % 0.0005
2008-01-25 18:30 < eia> that would be the leftover of 0/0 ?
2008-01-25 18:30 < eia> and what is that... :P
2008-01-25 18:30 < britty> hi eia!
2008-01-25 18:30 < eia> hibritty
2008-01-25 18:30 < Pathoschild> eia: Expression error: Division by zero :P
2008-01-25 18:31 < eia> yeah, that doesn't count
2008-01-25 18:31 < eia> use your brain :P
2008-01-25 18:31 < eia> that's a better computer :P
2008-01-25 18:31 < Pathoschild> :P
2008-01-25 18:32 < Pathoschild> 0. :P
2008-01-25 18:32 < Pathoschild> 0 cannot be divided equally into 0 groups, so 0 remains. :D
2008-01-25 18:32 < Pathoschild> ...or it can be divided equally 0 times, which is none, so it's not divided... Hm.
2008-01-25 18:33 < britty> Pathoschild, as for translation2, kzhr made a minor complaint about status index
2008-01-25 18:33 < Pathoschild> Status index?
2008-01-25 18:33 < britty> status box
2008-01-25 18:33 < Pathoschild> Which complaint?
2008-01-25 18:34 < britty> he said it to me in japanese so i recommended him to say on meta but there are two points
2008-01-25 18:34 < britty> 1) hard to guess which status are used
2008-01-25 18:34 < britty> (need a better document?)
2008-01-25 18:34 < britty> 2) less visible
2008-01-25 18:34 < britty> for 2) i am not sure what the problem is
2008-01-25 18:35 < britty> except the published one doesn't look like a link (underline is better?)
2008-01-25 18:35 < britty> and it sure is no problem for him as translator)
2008-01-25 18:35 * britty misses pathos
2008-01-25 18:35 < Shanel> :O
2008-01-25 18:36 < geimfyglid> O.o
2008-01-25 18:36 < Shanel> Probably from when I was using his computer.
2008-01-25 18:36 < eia> Pathoschild: if you devide <anything> by zero, infinity remains? :)
2008-01-25 18:37 < Shanel> eia: He never took calculus. O_O
2008-01-25 18:37 < britty> .oO
2008-01-25 18:37 < Shanel> >:|
2008-01-25 18:37 < eia> Shanel: dont use that C-word
2008-01-25 18:37 < eia> it was the name of a horrible first year book
2008-01-25 18:37 < Pathoschild> Yep; I use ChatZilla on XULRunner now, so she's the last one to have used ChatZilla on Firefox.
2008-01-25 18:37 * Shanel never speaks of it again.
2008-01-25 18:37 < Pathoschild> eia: If you divide something into zero groups, you haven't divided it. :O
2008-01-25 18:38 < Pathoschild> britty: It should be underlined like a normal link, no?
2008-01-25 18:38 < britty> Pathoschild, i am not sure but there would be better a distinction from normal text
2008-01-25 18:39 < britty> but i suppose he meant differences between each status
2008-01-25 18:39 < britty> the current top color tag might be less distnctive than background color diff
2008-01-25 18:40 < Pathoschild> The differences seem more obvious to me than they were with the old template, given the coloured boxes, bold/normal/grayed-out links, and text labels?
2008-01-25 18:40 < eia> Pathoschild: no, you can make infinite groups of zero out of it
2008-01-25 18:40 < britty> for me it is less obvious
2008-01-25 18:40 < britty> colored box is smaller than before
2008-01-25 18:40 < eia> the number you devide by, is the size of the group :P
2008-01-25 18:40 < eia> if you wish
2008-01-25 18:41 < eia> but you could take the average of both methods
2008-01-25 18:41 < eia> which would bring 0.5 * infinity
2008-01-25 18:43 < Pathoschild> britty: Hmm... Maybe extend borders of translations in progress, so you have boxes with coloured-borders and a thick left border?
2008-01-25 18:44 < britty> ah it sounds good
2008-01-25 18:45 * Pathoschild tweaks.
2008-01-25 18:47 < britty> Pathoschild, what do you think was wrong? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Translation/Translation_requests/WMF/Our_projects
2008-01-25 18:48 < Pathoschild> o.o
2008-01-25 18:48 < Pathoschild> Hmm.
2008-01-25 18:48 < Pathoschild> |page =<nowiki>{{subst:SUBPAGENAME}}</nowiki>
2008-01-25 18:48 < Pathoschild> |source=<nowiki>{{subst:SUBPAGENAME}}/en</nowiki>
2008-01-25 18:49 < Pathoschild> britty: I think I know why. Did you copy and paste the code from the edit page?
2008-01-25 18:49 < britty> !
2008-01-25 18:49 < britty> ah yes
2008-01-25 18:50 < Pathoschild> :)
2008-01-25 18:50 * britty hasn't figured yet
2008-01-25 18:50 < britty> nowiki?
2008-01-25 18:50 < Pathoschild> <nowiki> means "don't treat this text as wiki code".
2008-01-25 18:50 < Pathoschild> So anything inside <nowiki> will show up exactly as it is written.
2008-01-25 18:51 < Danny_B> i'd say for the first sight there should be subst wrapped in includeonly
2008-01-25 18:52 < Pathoschild> Danny_B: It's copied & pasted from the <pre> box on < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Translation2 >.
2008-01-25 18:52 * Pathoschild adds a note to the edit view.
2008-01-25 18:53 < Danny_B> except for the nowiki which isn't there
2008-01-25 18:53 < Pathoschild> ...hmm.
2008-01-25 18:53 < Pathoschild> britty: Where did you copy it from?
2008-01-25 18:55 < britty> a different name template i didn't really make
2008-01-25 18:55 < Danny_B> if it should automatically add the (sub)page name then the includeonly wrapped subst is the construction
2008-01-25 18:55 < britty> first i named it "translation:translation/our projects"
2008-01-25 18:55 < britty> but i was not sure
2008-01-25 18:55 < britty> ... not need to make it so a lengthy name?
2008-01-25 18:55 < britty> hm
2008-01-25 18:55 < britty> seems so
2008-01-25 18:56 < britty> "translation/our projects" goes well?
2008-01-25 18:56 < Pathoschild> It would work, but ideally that should be reserved for a page named "Our projects".
2008-01-25 18:57 < britty> ah point taken
2008-01-25 19:02 < britty> ...!
2008-01-25 19:02 < britty> now i was hit by another possible interpretation of kzhr's complaint
2008-01-25 19:03 < Pathoschild> So we might not need the ugly borders you see on < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy >? :P
2008-01-25 19:03 < britty> he may have meant "on a particular page" its status was less visible than before
2008-01-25 19:03 < britty> i am not sure but supposed so
2008-01-25 19:04 < britty> rather getting back "this is open request" yaddayadda was meant but i am not sure
2008-01-25 19:04 < Pathoschild> :(
2008-01-25 19:04 < britty> we need to bring him to the arena ;D
2008-01-25 19:04 < britty> well i don't mind an ongoing work looks ugly
2008-01-25 19:04 < britty> if the published one isn't so
2008-01-25 19:05 < Pathoschild> :)
2008-01-25 19:11 < britty> user:hatsukanezumi again insists my home project ("base" in his word) is jawiki
2008-01-25 19:12 < britty> i think i said at least twice my home are meta and enwikiquote
2008-01-25 19:12 < britty> while he didn't help me on translation i wonder how he can be so boastful
2008-01-25 19:12 * britty addes and board elections"
2008-01-25 20:07 < britty> hi Dbl2010
2008-01-25 20:07 < britty> salut ceridwen ca va?
2008-01-25 20:19 < britty> cometstyle is around there?
2008-01-25 20:19 < geimfyglid> Warpath
2008-01-25 20:19 < britty> namasti
2008-01-25 20:19 < Warpath> :DD
2008-01-25 20:19 < britty> (thanks birdy)
2008-01-25 20:20 < geimfyglid> :)
2008-01-25 20:20 < Warpath> namaste britty :DDD
2008-01-25 20:20 < britty> a silly question: is hindi a rtf lang?
2008-01-25 20:20 < Warpath> rtf? O_O
2008-01-25 20:20 < britty> (in japan we see it ttb)
2008-01-25 20:20 < britty> oh
2008-01-25 20:20 < britty> rtl
2008-01-25 20:20 < britty> ah i meant sanskrit top to bottom :D
2008-01-25 20:20 < britty> not hindy
2008-01-25 20:21 < Warpath> nope its normal :P
2008-01-25 20:21 < britty> but anyway is it a right to left or left to light?
2008-01-25 20:21 < britty> like other many indo-european you mean
2008-01-25 20:21 * Warpath wonders which way is suppose to be normal :P
2008-01-25 20:21 < Warpath> yeah :)
2008-01-25 20:21 < britty> normal sounds not npov :D
2008-01-25 20:21 < Warpath> only urdu and arabic is the other way :)
2008-01-25 20:21 < britty> hehehe
2008-01-25 20:22 < britty> so you don't know chinese was rtl too until premodern
2008-01-25 20:22 < Warpath> :O
2008-01-25 20:22 < Warpath> really..just found out O_O
2008-01-25 20:22 < britty> so japanese too
2008-01-25 20:22 * Warpath looks it up on an encyclopedia :P
2008-01-25 20:22 < britty> yeah it is said rather they thought it one column one character
2008-01-25 20:23 < britty> even today when we write from top to bottom we place columns from right to left
2008-01-25 20:23 < Warpath> didn't know that :)
2008-01-25 20:24 < Warpath> 900 million hindi speakers and not one wants to help with the translations :~(
2008-01-25 20:24 * Warpath feels vewwy vewy laonely :~(
2008-01-25 20:24 < britty> Warpath, you are doing well
2008-01-25 20:24 < Warpath> lonely*
2008-01-25 20:24 < britty> you are always welcome on translators-l or wherever
2008-01-25 20:24 < britty> most of translators are lonely in their own langs
2008-01-25 20:24 < Warpath> they have a list for that too O_O
2008-01-25 20:25 < britty> hmm you don't know?
2008-01-25 20:25 < Warpath> what about cabal-l O_O
2008-01-25 20:25 < britty> lol
2008-01-25 20:25 < Warpath> :DD
2008-01-25 20:25 < britty> and who will proofread current staff? your mom? other hi editor?
2008-01-25 20:26 < britty> or you after some refresh?
2008-01-25 20:26 < britty> refreshment
2008-01-25 20:26 < Warpath> I'll look for shyam :)
2008-01-25 20:26 < Warpath> or anirudh :)
2008-01-25 20:26 < britty> ah good idea
2008-01-25 20:26 < Warpath> or yann XD
2008-01-25 20:47 < Ceridwen> hi britty ^^
2008-01-25 21:29 < britty> Dmcdevit, are you still there?
2008-01-25 21:29 < Dmcdevit> Yep. :)
2008-01-25 21:30 < britty> could you check wiktionary part on [[our projects]] please?
2008-01-25 21:30 < britty> i mean http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF/Our_projects/source#Wiktionary
2008-01-25 21:31 < Dmcdevit> Check for accuracy?
2008-01-25 21:34 < Dmcdevit> britty, Do just want me to make sure it's correct?
2008-01-25 21:34 < britty> at least
2008-01-25 21:34 < britty> if you have something charming to add you are welcome :)
2008-01-25 21:34 < Dmcdevit> :-)
2008-01-25 21:35 < britty> recent prize etc
2008-01-25 21:35 < britty> or collaboration whatsoever
2008-01-25 21:50 < Dmcdevit> britty, I changed it a bit. Let me know if it's good.
2008-01-25 21:52 < britty> i trust you :)
2008-01-25 21:53 < Dmcdevit> :)
2008-01-25 21:55 * Dmcdevit huggles britty.
2008-01-25 21:56 * britty huggles Dmcdevit back
2008-01-25 21:56 < britty> i read your comment on confrmation: do you mean you are still interested to retain the access and make a tiny edit if necessary?
2008-01-25 22:15 < Dmcdevit> britty, I just mean that if it gets removed, I won't be sad, but I don't see the point in people voting to desysop someone for lack of edits. If I have it in the future, I'll still use it every once in a while, like I do now.
2008-01-25 22:15 < britty> thx
2008-01-25 22:17 < Dmcdevit> By the way, I don't think that scrabble logo belongs in that image at the top of the page. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikimedia_logo_family.png
2008-01-25 22:17 < britty> i don't think sysop should be terribly active
2008-01-25 22:17 < Dmcdevit> The normal Wiktionary logo is much more common.
2008-01-25 22:18 < britty> while if he has no edit, better not to have him keep it until he needs it again
2008-01-25 22:18 < britty> aaah logo issue
2008-01-25 22:18 < britty> Dmcdevit, you would like to talk with guillom
2008-01-25 22:20 < Dmcdevit> Yeah, I guess it's the middle of the night in Europe.
2008-01-25 22:20 < britty> 4am?
2008-01-25 22:20 < britty> so you can mail instead
2008-01-25 22:21 < britty> i hope we can reach consensus what wiktionary logo is in this year
2008-01-25 22:21 < britty> not funny we have been discussing it since the end of 2006
2008-01-25 22:22 < Dmcdevit> We've had local discussions on en.wikt more recently than that, but even on one project they always end in disagreement and the discussion dies down without any agreement. :(
2008-01-25 22:50 < britty> even better to have another poll now?
2008-01-26 02:20 < kim_bruning> effeietsanders, hoi
2008-01-26 02:20 < kim_bruning> effeietsanders, have a nice day
2008-01-26 02:20 * kim_bruning kerpokes britty , but doesn't expect much
2008-01-26 02:52 < effeietsanders> kim_bruning: thanks, see you in uttrecht :)
2008-01-26 02:52 < kim_bruning> effeietsanders, errr, wasn't planning on being there?
2008-01-26 02:54 < effeietsanders> :o
2008-01-26 02:54 < effeietsanders> well, i'm going
2008-01-26 02:54 < kim_bruning> Have a nice time!
2008-01-26 02:54 < eiaway> i just assumed you wanted to join the discussions :)
2008-01-26 02:54 < dungodung> what's going on in uttrechgghchchght?
2008-01-26 02:54 < eiaway> dungodung: vision meeting WMNL
2008-01-26 02:55 < dungodung> I see
2008-01-26 02:55 < dungodung> well, indeed have a nice time
2008-01-26 02:55 < eiaway> we (being the KABAAL) are going to set out the direction of the Wikimedia Movement (TM) whuhahaha
2008-01-26 02:56 < dungodung> yeah, good luck with that
2008-01-26 02:57 * kim_bruning thinks WMNL has some nice people
2008-01-26 02:57 < kim_bruning> but costs me too much time :-P
2008-01-26 02:58 < kim_bruning> ^^;;
2008-01-26 03:09 < dungodung> !bureaucrat@meta Az1568's RfA should be closed
2008-01-26 03:12 * Az1568 notes that it's been done now :)
2008-01-26 03:12 < Az1568> ty dungodung
2008-01-26 03:12 < dungodung> :)
2008-01-26 03:12 < dungodung> I can't promote you, though
2008-01-26 03:12 < Az1568> Herby did tho ;)
2008-01-26 03:18 < dungodung> yay
2008-01-26 12:10 < dogsson> simon and your mother and a stranger and your room mate says turn the volume down turn the volume down
2008-01-26 12:17 < dogsson> TURN IT DOWN DON"T MAKE ANY LOUD NOISE , don't let me hear you
2008-01-26 12:21 < dogsson> any thing i hear i'll record and turn it to the police, you
2008-01-26 12:21 < dungodung|study> please stop that
2008-01-26 12:26 < dogsson> am i crazy if i talk loudly to myself or make loud noise? is it a crime and illegal?
2008-01-26 12:27 < VasilievVV> тщ
2008-01-26 12:27 < VasilievVV> *no
2008-01-26 12:27 < VasilievVV> But it's annoying for everyone els
2008-01-26 12:27 < VasilievVV> *else
2008-01-26 12:27 < dogsson> vasilevvv how bad is annoying?
2008-01-26 12:28 < Steik> dogsson, no offtopic please, if you wan't to chat, join #defocus or something like that...
2008-01-26 12:28 < VasilievVV> If you are annoying everyone else, someone will ban you
2008-01-26 12:28 < VasilievVV> because it's bad for others
2008-01-26 12:28 < Steik> right
2008-01-26 12:33 < dogsson> i require lots and lots of sounds LOUD. i don't care
2008-01-26 12:33 < VasilievVV> so you'll be banned if you don't care of everyone else
2008-01-26 12:39 < dogsson> i like to make noise forever
2008-01-26 12:44 < dogsson> i like bass and like to make bass
2008-01-26 12:46 < dogsson> what would you do when some people try to limit your sounds and try to get you to learn to turn down the volume?
2008-01-26 12:50 < Majorly> dogsson: please stick on topic
2008-01-26 12:56 < dogsson> i am the only one who makes sound but you don't
2008-01-26 13:01 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-01-26 13:01 < Fabexplosive> hey dungodung|study
2008-01-26 13:01 < dungodung|study> hi fabex
2008-01-26 13:43 * Majorly hates metawiki
2008-01-26 13:43 < VasilievVV> Majorly: why?
2008-01-26 13:43 < Majorly> it's full of, how can I put it nicely, idiots
2008-01-26 13:46 < Mike_lifeguard> yes, Majorly. That's putting it nicely </sarcasm>
2008-01-26 13:50 < Submarine> Majorly, you're talking about Wikipedia here?
2008-01-26 13:51 < Majorly> no
2008-01-26 16:15 < dcrochet> is normal the long text in http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages ?
2008-01-26 17:10 < dcrochet> Hi, I have a question : " What is the use of the log-page "Merge log" in Special:Logs because when I make a merge, nothing appear in it ? Crochet.david@frwikiversity .
2008-01-26 17:12 < gribeco> dcrochet: try #mediawiki, this is the meta channel
2008-01-26 17:13 < dcrochet> ok thanks
2008-01-26 17:25 < Warpath> why doesn't danny ever stay for tea :( ?
2008-01-26 17:26 < shimgray> stands the timestamp still at ten to three? and is there danny still for tea?
2008-01-26 17:26 < shimgray> (this is the third time I have misquoted that this week. I need to get a new joke)
2008-01-26 17:26 * Warpath nods
2008-01-26 17:26 < Warpath> or lifw
2008-01-26 17:26 < Warpath> life *
2008-01-26 17:26 < Warpath> :DD
2008-01-26 17:27 < shimgray> nothing wrong with a bit of Brooke
2008-01-26 19:48 < Miranda> hi
2008-01-26 19:48 < britty> hi!!
2008-01-26 19:48 < britty> howdy
2008-01-26 19:48 < Miranda> I have a communications problem with an organization...
2008-01-26 19:49 < Miranda> I want the organization to know that an article is featured on en.
2008-01-26 19:49 < Miranda> but I think my e-mail address would be ignored
2008-01-26 19:49 < britty> miranda, write wmfcc-l @ wikimedia org
2008-01-26 19:49 < britty> perhaps en people may proxy you
2008-01-26 19:50 < Miranda> ok
2008-01-26 19:50 < geniice> oraganisatio9n being?
2008-01-26 19:50 < Miranda> geniice: :-/
2008-01-26 19:50 < geniice> what is the organisation?
2008-01-26 19:50 < Miranda> geniice: [[en:Alpha Kappa Alpha]]
2008-01-26 19:50 < britty> sounds like fraternity
2008-01-26 19:50 < geniice> uh huh
2008-01-26 19:50 < Miranda> britty: it's a sorority
2008-01-26 19:50 < britty> ah
2008-01-26 19:52 < Miranda> nvm
2008-01-26 19:53 < britty> nvm?
2008-01-26 19:53 < Miranda> nevermind
2008-01-26 19:53 < britty> ah thx
2008-01-26 19:54 < britty> i recently learned from a blog those who make a rant on my confirmation were banned (even temporally) from jawikipedia because of their bully
2008-01-26 19:54 < britty> they find jawikipedia too small to spread their malice :(
2008-01-26 19:56 < britty> sissy ;)
2008-01-26 19:56 < britty> but a bit late for you ?
2008-01-26 20:19 * kibble waves all
2008-01-26 20:22 * britty huggles kibble
2008-01-26 20:26 < kibble> britty: :-D
2008-01-26 20:27 < britty> i noticed you at rc at first and looked for you here ;)
2008-01-26 20:27 < kibble> hehe
2008-01-26 22:06 < DragonFire1024> > http://711chan.org/
2008-01-26 22:06 < DragonFire1024> This website has been deleted due to copyright claims from the Church of Scientology.
2008-01-26 22:07 < britty> closed?
2008-01-26 22:07 < DragonFire1024> britty: there is a new hacker in town
2008-01-26 22:08 < DragonFire1024> 'http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/%27The_Regime%27_hacks_711chan.org_in_response_to_%27Anonymous%27_attack_on_Scientology
2008-01-26 22:47 < DragonFire1024> On Behalf of Wiknews I would like to announce our highest ratings EVER sine the project started in 2004
2008-01-26 22:47 < DragonFire1024> http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/en.wikinews.org
2008-01-26 22:53 < britty> DragonFire1024, awesome
2008-01-26 22:53 < britty> what happens?
2008-01-26 22:53 < britty> election 2008?
2008-01-26 22:54 < DragonFire1024> which election britty?
2008-01-26 22:55 < britty> us
2008-01-26 22:55 < britty> or recent stock market?
2008-01-26 22:55 < DragonFire1024> hmmm stock market is as good as dead
2008-01-26 22:55 < DragonFire1024> election, well too close to call IMHO
2008-01-26 22:56 < britty> a rapid increase of access may be accompanied with something big interest
2008-01-26 22:56 < britty> like smatra tunami in the end of 2005
2008-01-26 22:57 * britty is trying to recall what happened on 23-24th
2008-01-26 22:57 < britty> btw it's a bit surprised wikiquote is still more accessed than wikinews
2008-01-26 23:10 < britty> hi amidaniel
2008-01-26 23:18 < Dmcdevit> britty, Isn't Wikiquote the next most popular after WP and Wikt? I thought Wikinews had the least traffic of all the projects.
2008-01-26 23:18 < britty> Dmcdevit, i am not sure but some stats suggest so ...
2008-01-26 23:19 < britty> perhaps we have a larger readership and anon contrib user base ...
2008-01-26 23:19 < britty> as for community wikiquote one is smaller than wikinews
2008-01-26 23:19 < Dmcdevit> Yeah, I mean in terms of Alexa traffic, not editing.
2008-01-26 23:21 * britty sighs
2008-01-26 23:21 < britty> now i speedied on wikiquote .. seems a fanatic buddhist contributor whose english competenece would be poor
2008-01-26 23:21 < britty> it was all in chinese and no quote
2008-01-26 23:22 < britty> a list of magazine backnumbers ;(
2008-01-26 23:23 < britty> on alexa wikiquote looks like the biggest quotation site on the Net ... or am I confused?
2008-01-27 00:20 < DragonFire1024> how's the audit coming?
2008-01-27 01:25 < RYNORT> REGISTER <spencer>
2008-01-27 04:41 < Zach> why is there no simple german/french/spanish/etc wikipedias?
2008-01-27 05:27 < spacebirdy> Zach, because there is no simple German/French/Spanish language
2008-01-27 05:29 < flyingparchment> no-one really knows what language 'simple english' is meant to be
2008-01-27 05:29 < flyingparchment> at least not the last time i looked at the project
2008-01-27 10:44 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-01-27 11:00 < Fabexplosive> hi Anthere, Sundance_Raphael
2008-01-27 11:00 < Sundance_Raphael> hi Fabexplosive
2008-01-27 11:02 < Anthere> lo
2008-01-27 11:55 * soufron hello
2008-01-27 13:06 < Comets> O_O
2008-01-27 13:28 < xtv-ca> hi!
2008-01-27 13:28 < xtv-ca> i have a question about EL
2008-01-27 13:28 < DragonFire1024> EL?
2008-01-27 13:29 < xtv-ca> (External Links) I want to fight some spam
2008-01-27 13:29 < DragonFire1024> ah
2008-01-27 13:30 < xtv-ca> and I remember I found some months ago a tool such that you give a webpage and it says all the pages in all wikimedia projects (or at least all wikipedias) in which this link appears
2008-01-27 13:30 < DragonFire1024> hhhmmm...donno
2008-01-27 13:30 < xtv-ca> a kind of I kind of http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target=
2008-01-27 13:30 < xtv-ca> but general for all projects
2008-01-27 13:31 < xtv-ca> I'm looking for it and I have read many spam policies in .eb, in meta and many places and I don't find it
2008-01-27 13:32 < DragonFire1024> That's out of my league. :( sorr
2008-01-27 13:32 < DragonFire1024> y
2008-01-27 13:33 < xtv-ca> ok, thanks anyway :)
2008-01-27 13:34 < Comets> xtv-ca, what? O_O
2008-01-27 13:35 < xtv-ca> I was looking for a tool where given a url adress, it returns all the wikimedia related projects where this page is included
2008-01-27 13:36 < xtv-ca> I think I already found it once and now I'm looking arround and I don't find it
2008-01-27 13:36 < xtv-ca> a kind of http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinksearch&target= but for all projects
2008-01-27 13:37 < Comets> Link search is the only one I know O_O
2008-01-27 13:37 < xtv-ca> I was looking for a tool where given a url adress, it returns all the pages in wikimedia related projects where this url is included
2008-01-27 13:37 < xtv-ca> sorry, I had written a mistake XD
2008-01-27 13:37 < Comets> http://tools.wikimedia.de/%7Eeagle/linksearch
2008-01-27 13:38 < Comets> that one ?
2008-01-27 13:38 < xtv-ca> yes! I think is this!!!
2008-01-27 13:39 < xtv-ca> thanks!!!
2008-01-27 13:40 < Comets> :)
2008-01-27 14:26 < Sundance_Raphael> n8
2008-01-27 14:34 < JeLuF> is anyone here familiar with the logo policy?
2008-01-27 14:37 < Comets> they have a policy? O_O
2008-01-27 14:40 < JeLuF> of course
2008-01-27 14:41 < brianmc> Can't take a dump without policy... Otherwise what do you wipe with?
2008-01-27 18:34 < dungodung> hi gangleri
2008-01-27 18:35 * dungodung drowns COIBot
2008-01-27 18:57 * dungodung slaps COIBot
2008-01-27 19:01 < amidaniel> Aww ... poor COIBot
2008-01-27 19:01 < amidaniel> So abused
2008-01-27 19:04 < dungodung> he should be!
2008-01-27 19:04 < dungodung> such insolence!
2008-01-27 21:04 < kibble> is Purodha here?
2008-01-27 22:34 * gribeco waves at bastique
2008-01-27 22:34 < bastique> hi!
2008-01-27 22:34 < gribeco> I'm busy tinkering with my anti-vandal bot =)
2008-01-27 22:42 < bastique> well, have at it
2008-01-27 23:49 < britty> Danny_B, thanks for tweaking on wmf site
2008-01-27 23:49 < Danny_B> always welcome
2008-01-27 23:49 < Danny_B> i'd do more, but there's cache issue which needs to be fixed
2008-01-27 23:50 < britty> we need dev's hands?
2008-01-27 23:52 < Danny_B> i've already submitted bug. the issue is that if you change the global css or js file, it gets live after 30 days and not immediately how it used to be
2008-01-28 06:32 < freakofmimsy> bastique
2008-01-28 06:32 < freakofmimsy> !
2008-01-28 07:08 < Shiroi_Neko> freakofmimsy ah my bastique
2008-01-28 07:08 < Shiroi_Neko> freakofmimsy you particularly busy?
2008-01-28 07:08 < freakofmimsy> not much
2008-01-28 07:08 < Shiroi_Neko> I was wondering if you could look into a matter for me
2008-01-28 07:08 * freakofmimsy runs
2008-01-28 07:09 < freakofmimsy> .. and hides
2008-01-28 07:09 < Shiroi_Neko> aw
2008-01-28 07:09 < Shiroi_Neko> well I was wondering if you clould beat some logic into these people
2008-01-28 07:10 < Shiroi_Neko> they claim a govermental source by default is not a reliable source
2008-01-28 07:11 < Shiroi_Neko> freakofmimsy article in question is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_by_the_Armenian_Secret_Army_for_the_Liberation_of_Armenia
2008-01-28 07:11 < Shiroi_Neko> people are offended by the use of the Turkish government as a source
2008-01-28 07:11 < DragonFire1024> WP is losing it
2008-01-28 07:11 < Shiroi_Neko> even though the material covered is not disputed
2008-01-28 07:12 < DragonFire1024> then its a source
2008-01-28 07:12 < DragonFire1024> if they don't like the governemnt of a nation, then too bad
2008-01-28 07:12 < Shiroi_Neko> well they are revert waring to censor out the source
2008-01-28 07:12 < DragonFire1024> thats not an actionable objection to call into question a source
2008-01-28 07:12 < DragonFire1024> is there a discussion on this?
2008-01-28 07:13 < Shiroi_Neko> sure
2008-01-28 07:13 < Shiroi_Neko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_attacks_by_the_Armenian_Secret_Army_for_the_Liberation_of_Armenia#Outside_comment_on_sources
2008-01-28 07:13 < Shiroi_Neko> as well as previous sections
2008-01-28 07:13 < DragonFire1024> I mean on a talk page
2008-01-28 07:13 < Shiroi_Neko> also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_attacks_by_the_Armenian_Secret_Army_for_the_Liberation_of_Armenia#Sources_that_cant_be_used
2008-01-28 07:13 < Shiroi_Neko> DragonFire1024 that is the talk page of the article :)
2008-01-28 07:14 * Shiroi_Neko hugs FloNight
2008-01-28 07:14 < Shiroi_Neko> Ah! My FloNight! :P
2008-01-28 07:14 < DragonFire1024> looking
2008-01-28 07:15 < DragonFire1024> and why can't they be used?
2008-01-28 07:15 < Shiroi_Neko> becasuse it is turkish
2008-01-28 07:15 < Shiroi_Neko> armenians dont like the use of tuskish sources or something
2008-01-28 07:15 < Shiroi_Neko> I couldnt really figure out why
2008-01-28 07:15 < Shiroi_Neko> he states: we are told "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy"
2008-01-28 07:16 < Shiroi_Neko> which I think any government qualifies
2008-01-28 07:18 < DragonFire1024> I commented
2008-01-28 07:18 < Shiroi_Neko> I think he thinks tr.gov doesnt count as a 'third-party'
2008-01-28 07:18 < DragonFire1024> does not matter
2008-01-28 07:19 < Shiroi_Neko> thanks
2008-01-28 07:19 < DragonFire1024> if we are to make that claim then we may as well say no government source for any governemnt can be used in any article
2008-01-28 07:19 < Shiroi_Neko> DragonFire1024 oh also they oppose the use of turkish newspapers as well
2008-01-28 07:19 < DragonFire1024> now thats definitely not allowed
2008-01-28 07:20 < Shiroi_Neko> Here's another thing -- would Turkish newspapers be reliable sources in your opinion? Shell babelfish 20:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
2008-01-28 07:20 < Shiroi_Neko> Absolutely not, not when it relates to Armenia or Armenians. VartanM (talk) 20:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
2008-01-28 07:22 < DragonFire1024> that makes no sense
2008-01-28 07:22 < DragonFire1024> NPOV is to show neutrality