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2008-01-11 18:57 < eiaway> 17-19
2008-01-11 18:57 < eiaway> iirc
2008-01-11 18:57 < kim_bruning> 17-19 august
2008-01-11 18:57 < eiaway> no
2008-01-11 18:57 < eiaway> july
2008-01-11 18:57 < kim_bruning> so I have no a-priori plans set for july... yet
2008-01-11 18:57 < kim_bruning> ah ok
2008-01-11 18:57 < kim_bruning> in that case I'll be in alexandria then?
2008-01-11 18:58 < kim_bruning> So yeah, I'll be busy in july... why? :-)
2008-01-11 18:58 < eiaway> do you already have a clou how you're flying? assuming you'll fly of course
2008-01-11 18:58 < kim_bruning> just direct flight I think
2008-01-11 18:58 < kim_bruning> why, is that problematic?
2008-01-11 18:58 < eiaway> direct to alex?
2008-01-11 18:58 < kim_bruning> erm, actually you have a point, there's no airport there directly is there?
2008-01-11 18:58 < eiaway> from schiphol?
2008-01-11 18:59 < eiaway> there are two airports in Alex
2008-01-11 18:59 < Rastrojo> er, hi!
2008-01-11 18:59 < eiaway> ALY and one more
2008-01-11 18:59 < eiaway> HRB or something
2008-01-11 18:59 < eiaway> anyway, direct flight seems to be in the order of magnitude of 2300 E :)
2008-01-11 19:00 < kim_bruning> MORE EXPENSIVE THAN TAIWAN?
2008-01-11 19:00 < Rastrojo> i need one developer
2008-01-11 19:00 < Rastrojo> for es.wikipedia :D
2008-01-11 19:00 < eiaway> Rastrojo: #mediawiki
2008-01-11 19:00 < eiaway> or #wikimedia-tech
2008-01-11 19:01 < eiaway> kim_bruning: taking a direct flight: yes :)
2008-01-11 19:01 < kim_bruning> hong kong is like 700 euros btw
2008-01-11 19:01 < kim_bruning> urk
2008-01-11 19:01 < eiaway> it would be cheaper to go AMS - HKO, HKO-ALY I guess :P
2008-01-11 19:01 < kim_bruning> popular holiday location?
2008-01-11 19:01 < eiaway> no, i think they only have very few seats or something
2008-01-11 19:01 < kim_bruning> why the hell do we actually have our conferences in holiday season anyway?
2008-01-11 19:01 < eiaway> vacation
2008-01-11 19:02 < eiaway> and because it is a holiday too
2008-01-11 19:02 < eiaway> at least, i'm not paying all the money and time to only go to a conference...
2008-01-11 19:02 < eiaway> hey, akl
2008-01-11 19:04 < kim_bruning> eiaway, it'd be a lot less money and time if it wasn't in the middle of vacation season!
2008-01-11 19:04 * kim_bruning mutters
2008-01-11 19:04 < akl> eiaway or better eihere?
2008-01-11 19:04 < eiaway> akl: ssssh ;-)
2008-01-11 19:04 < eiaway> dont say that so loud :)
2008-01-11 19:05 < eiaway> kim_bruning: if you book now, alex is not too expensive
2008-01-11 19:05 < eiaway> kim_bruning: just dont go for a direct flight :P
2008-01-11 19:05 < kim_bruning> what do you suggest?
2008-01-11 19:05 < eiaway> well, first try for cairo? :P
2008-01-11 19:05 < eiaway> it's only E56 CAI - ALY
2008-01-11 19:06 < eiaway> or grab a train
2008-01-11 19:06 < eiaway> although the latter might be better to have some company :)
2008-01-11 19:06 < eiaway> i saw cologne - cairo is very cheap
2008-01-11 19:07 < eiaway> just a bit off route :P
2008-01-11 19:07 < eiaway> kim_bruning: or fly to luxor :D
2008-01-11 19:07 < eiaway> and take a 10 day boat tour over the nile to Alex :)
2008-01-11 19:07 < eiaway> with the touristic route :P
2008-01-11 19:07 < eiaway> still cheaper then the direct flight ;-)
2008-01-11 19:07 < kim_bruning> I see
2008-01-11 19:11 < kim_bruning> I guess I should book early
2008-01-11 19:11 < kim_bruning> what kind of price did you get?
2008-01-11 19:11 < eiaway> ranging 260 - 800
2008-01-11 19:11 < eiaway> depending on airport and travel companies
2008-01-11 19:11 < kim_bruning> I like the 260
2008-01-11 19:11 < kim_bruning> is that todal?
2008-01-11 19:11 < kim_bruning> total?
2008-01-11 19:11 < eiaway> yes
2008-01-11 19:11 < eiaway> but very bad airports
2008-01-11 19:11 < eiaway> and times
2008-01-11 19:13 < eiaway> iig, als je vanuit duitsland bereid bent te vliegen, scheelt het alweer :)
2008-01-11 19:18 < kim_bruning> heh, meerdere stops is geen issue :-P
2008-01-11 19:19 < eiaway> zeker aangezien vanaf 1 juli de vliegtax weer flink omhoog gaat
2008-01-11 19:19 < kim_bruning> oh fsck
2008-01-11 19:19 < eiaway> en egypte valt natuurlijk weer buiten europa :)
2008-01-11 19:20 < eiaway> dus dubbel omhoog
2008-01-11 19:20 < kim_bruning> ik zou natuurlijk gewoon nederland kunnen ontvluchten :-)
2008-01-11 19:20 < eiaway> je kunt er ook gaan wonen
2008-01-11 19:20 < eiaway> helemaal een goedkope reis
2008-01-11 19:20 < kim_bruning> waar, egypte?
2008-01-11 19:20 < eiaway> diuh
2008-01-11 19:20 < kim_bruning> ja maar de verhuizing is zo duur!
2008-01-11 19:20 < eiaway> alleen iedere ochtend je schoenen controleren op schorpioenen
2008-01-11 19:21 < kim_bruning> meh
2008-01-11 19:21 < britty_> sj?
2008-01-11 19:21 < kim_bruning> I have lived in .au :-P
2008-01-11 19:21 < eiaway> ach, er is vast wel een organisatie uit dubai die je heel graag wil hebben :P
2008-01-11 19:21 < britty_> ah /dev
2008-01-11 19:21 < eiaway> kun je de natuurlijke bevolking van het woestijdzand onderzoeken ofzo
2008-01-11 19:23 < britty_> oooh
2008-01-11 19:23 < britty_> fly to cairo and then to luxor and ship to alex ... sounds terrific
2008-01-11 19:24 < britty_> and after the conf I can do sightseeing in cairo
2008-01-11 19:24 < _sj_> brittty
2008-01-11 19:24 < domas> britty_: nothing much to sightsee in cairo
2008-01-11 19:24 < domas> better take a cruise down the nile
2008-01-11 19:24 < britty_> giza
2008-01-11 19:25 < domas> giza is like... 2 hours of sightseeing
2008-01-11 19:25 < britty_> domas giza is outside of cairo
2008-01-11 19:25 < domas> ok, 3.
2008-01-11 19:25 < eiaway> domas a day :P
2008-01-11 19:25 < eiaway> you need to get there :)
2008-01-11 19:25 < domas> I've been _inside_ cheops pyramid :)
2008-01-11 19:25 < britty_> and there are some churches consacrated to virgin mary
2008-01-11 19:25 < domas> we went there at 7:30 am :)
2008-01-11 19:25 < domas> whats special about churches
2008-01-11 19:25 < britty_> where coptic believed the holy child was nursed
2008-01-11 19:25 < domas> there's one interesting church there though
2008-01-11 19:26 < domas> ergh, muslim temple
2008-01-11 19:26 < eiaway> LOL
2008-01-11 19:26 < britty_> eh :)
2008-01-11 19:26 < eiaway> only tiny diff
2008-01-11 19:26 < eiaway> it's that the guide tells you, otherwise you wouldn't notice ;-)
2008-01-11 19:26 < britty_> i would love to attend the liturgy in Alex
2008-01-11 19:26 < domas> anyway
2008-01-11 19:26 < domas> maybe cairo is fun
2008-01-11 19:26 < domas> but egypt is nile: luxor, asuan, everything in between
2008-01-11 19:26 < britty_> yep
2008-01-11 19:27 < domas> + abu simbel
2008-01-11 19:27 < kim_bruning> domas, just take off your shoes :-)
2008-01-11 19:27 < britty_> i wonder if there is a trip from alex to st catharine
2008-01-11 19:27 < domas> kim_bruning: no need to question my cultural sensitivity, thanks
2008-01-11 19:27 < eiaway> domas: dror recommanded sinai :)
2008-01-11 19:27 < britty_> i found cairo-alex-st. catharine tour but it doesn7t fit my need
2008-01-11 19:27 < kim_bruning> domas, eh? :-)
2008-01-11 19:27 < britty_> yeah sinai
2008-01-11 19:27 < domas> eiaway: it is fun, but worth a separate trip
2008-01-11 19:27 < britty_> i would love to visit sinai and st. catharine
2008-01-11 19:28 < britty_> there we can see the one of oldest icons in this world
2008-01-11 19:28 < domas> eiaway: from there you can go to Jordan / Israel
2008-01-11 19:28 < britty_> drawn before the days of iconocrasm
2008-01-11 19:28 < eiaway> neih, too much trouble with flights etc
2008-01-11 19:28 < domas> eiaway: usually thats two egypt trips
2008-01-11 19:28 < domas> I don't hear too often someone goes to sinai and nile
2008-01-11 19:28 < domas> maybe thats because for us egypt is one of cheapest destinations ;-)
2008-01-11 19:28 < eiaway> i think i stay in north egypt
2008-01-11 19:29 < eiaway> but we'll see
2008-01-11 19:29 * britty_ envies domas's friend: egypt is not fcheap from japan
2008-01-11 19:29 < domas> well, for you should be easy to have separate egypt trip
2008-01-11 19:29 < eiaway> britty_: :P
2008-01-11 19:29 < domas> for eiaway
2008-01-11 19:29 < domas> britty_: yeah, I don't fly to asia daily either :)
2008-01-11 19:29 < britty_> :D
2008-01-11 19:29 < eiaway> domas: not really, because i won't go by myself
2008-01-11 19:30 < eiaway> and you don't go on a flying vacation with a family of six
2008-01-11 19:30 < domas> eiaway: just get some friends
2008-01-11 19:30 < eiaway> especially since i am with three flying trips the most experienced flyer :P
2008-01-11 19:30 < eiaway> domas: my friends are students and wikimedians :)
2008-01-11 19:31 < eiaway> and they have one thing in common
2008-01-11 19:31 < eiaway> not much money
2008-01-11 19:31 < eiaway> :)
2008-01-11 19:31 < domas> sell your kidneys
2008-01-11 19:31 < domas> put ads on your user pages!
2008-01-11 19:31 < eiaway> neih, i'd like to stay alive somewhat longer
2008-01-11 19:34 < eiaway> nn
2008-01-11 19:35 < kim_bruning> night!
2008-01-11 19:35 < domas> uh oh, january 13th on sunday
2008-01-11 20:09 < brassratgirl> we should all plan a trip down the nile together
2008-01-11 20:09 < brassratgirl> a boat full of wikimedians
2008-01-11 20:09 < brassratgirl> ++ crocodiles
2008-01-11 20:09 < brassratgirl> and pyramids
2008-01-11 20:09 < brassratgirl> sounds like fun
2008-01-11 20:09 < kibble> hehe
2008-01-11 20:36 < britty_> hiho hiho
2008-01-11 20:36 * britty_ digs around
2008-01-11 20:36 * kibble huggles bri
2008-01-11 20:36 < kibble> britty_*
2008-01-11 20:36 * britty_ hugs kibble back
2008-01-11 20:37 < kibble> :-)
2008-01-11 20:37 < britty_> slavie, are you still around there?
2008-01-11 20:37 < britty_> or other langcom folks
2008-01-11 20:38 < kibble> he is
2008-01-11 20:38 < slavie> Yep.
2008-01-11 20:39 < kibble> isn't Arria on langcom too?
2008-01-11 20:39 < slavie> Yep.
2008-01-11 20:39 < Shanel> Yoyo
2008-01-11 20:39 < kibble> and here's GerardM- and Shanel
2008-01-11 20:39 * Arria is here
2008-01-11 20:39 < kibble> it's a full-house :-)
2008-01-11 20:39 < Shanel> That's just GerardM's evil clone.
2008-01-11 20:39 < Shanel> Don't be fooled!
2008-01-11 20:39 < kibble> hehe
2008-01-11 20:42 < Arria> His evil twin? :-p
2008-01-11 20:44 * britty_ is sad to see arria busy on another committee:
2008-01-11 20:44 < britty_> i read your reply on ottoman turkish
2008-01-11 20:44 < Arria> britty_: Uh, "busy" is a strong word.
2008-01-11 20:44 < kibble> heh
2008-01-11 20:44 < britty_> all historical language wiki won't be opened?
2008-01-11 20:45 < britty_> Arria, oh
2008-01-11 20:45 < slavie> britty_: Hai.
2008-01-11 20:45 < Arria> Shanel will confirm that I do as little as humanly possible on the LangCom without actually being kicked out of it.
2008-01-11 20:45 * Arria waves, embarrassed, at slavie
2008-01-11 20:46 < britty_> slavie, it affects two japanese derivative wikis' requests consequently?
2008-01-11 20:46 < Shanel> Arria: He's called "slavie" for a reason.
2008-01-11 20:46 * kibble huggles Arria , I still love you :-P
2008-01-11 20:46 < britty_> antique greek people may be sad; they were once conditionally approved
2008-01-11 20:46 < Shanel> britty_: More likely very pissed. ;)
2008-01-11 20:46 < Arria> Shanel: I was thinking of another reason.
2008-01-11 20:46 < Shanel> :O
2008-01-11 20:47 < britty_> Shanel, eh well perhaps
2008-01-11 20:47 < britty_> you guys will be backstabbed
2008-01-11 20:47 < slavie> britty_: Yes, I know. We really should have done this long ago, before people got their hopes up. Previously it was ambiguously allowed.
2008-01-11 20:47 < slavie> That's not new. >_>
2008-01-11 20:47 < Shanel> britty_: And understandably so.
2008-01-11 20:47 < britty_> slavie those japanese people seem not to be aware of that change
2008-01-11 20:47 * Shanel would hate for all their hard work to go to waste.
2008-01-11 20:47 * slavie will see if he can get them on Wikia instead, so their work doesn't go to waste.
2008-01-11 20:47 < britty_> and i am not sure if i saw that change announced widely
2008-01-11 20:47 < Shanel> :D
2008-01-11 20:47 * Arria proposes self for backstabbing practice (victim, not perpetrator)
2008-01-11 20:48 * britty_ nods
2008-01-11 20:48 < Shanel> slavie: I'm sure the children can help.
2008-01-11 20:48 < britty_> if wikia welcome them, many can be happyel
2008-01-11 20:48 < Arria> Cabbage children or real children?
2008-01-11 20:48 < Arria> ^^
2008-01-11 20:48 < kibble> Arria: >:|
2008-01-11 20:48 < kibble> Arria: mutulation is never fun :-(
2008-01-11 20:49 < Shanel> Arria: The #countervandalism children.
2008-01-11 20:49 < Shanel> kibble is among them. :O
2008-01-11 20:49 * kibble nods :-(
2008-01-11 20:49 < kibble> Arria: slavie's my daddy :'(
2008-01-11 20:49 < kibble> and Shanel is my mommy :-D
2008-01-11 20:50 < Shanel> Lazy father.
2008-01-11 20:50 < kibble> hehe
2008-01-11 20:50 < slavie> :'(
2008-01-11 20:50 * kibble huggles daddy
2008-01-11 20:50 < Shanel> britty_: Will you tell them about the change?
2008-01-11 20:51 < Shanel> And that we won't abandon them. ;)
2008-01-11 20:51 < britty_> if you have a link of the changed policy yes
2008-01-11 20:51 < britty_> and final message should come from langcom people i think
2008-01-11 20:51 * Shanel pokes slavie with a stick.
2008-01-11 20:51 < britty_> ah if you meant those ja people
2008-01-11 20:52 < britty_> not wikia or whomever
2008-01-11 20:52 < Shanel> Yes. :)
2008-01-11 20:53 < britty_> ah don't worry i got it
2008-01-11 20:53 < britty_> can i say that langcom people come later to give them final words?
2008-01-11 20:54 < slavie> Yes, I'm going through all the requests to update them.
2008-01-11 20:55 < britty_> okay
2008-01-11 20:58 * Arria sits quietly and uploads her awful photos to Flickr
2008-01-11 21:05 < britty_> pathos, done
2008-01-11 21:24 * Arria has gotten the bejesus scared out of her: http://www.flickr.com/photos/apricot_x/2139989816/
2008-01-11 21:25 < kibble> Arria: hahahahah
2008-01-11 21:25 < Arria> That's just... insane. :-D
2008-01-11 21:25 < Arria> The huge black alien X-Files-y eyes freak me out.
2008-01-11 21:26 < Arria> Gotta love the star pajamas. XD
2008-01-11 21:27 < kibble> hehe
2008-01-11 22:07 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-12 01:49 < Miranda> question...
2008-01-12 01:49 < Miranda> on the test.wikipedia.org...
2008-01-12 01:49 < Miranda> in RC feed...why is it saying brazilian?
2008-01-12 01:49 < Miranda> >http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges
2008-01-12 02:12 < amidaniel> I don't see brazilian anywhere .. O.o
2008-01-12 02:12 < amidaniel> Oh, you mean here: (diff) (hist) . . m Sandbox/GOE‎; 01:48 . . (-7) . . GOE (Talk | contribs) (Revertidas a edição de 84.90.152.32 (contribucions · discussão)) ?
2008-01-12 02:13 < amidaniel> That's likely just a userscript he's working with
2008-01-12 02:13 < Miranda> userscript?
2008-01-12 02:15 < amidaniel> Probably just a script he's using to do reversions
2008-01-12 02:32 < DragonFire1024> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/%27No_treaty_withdrawal%27%2C_says_Lakota_elder
2008-01-12 07:33 * britty_ feels sorry about birdy
2008-01-12 07:33 < britty_> but now dinner: later
2008-01-12 09:19 < effeietsanders> finally up to date with my email again...
2008-01-12 10:07 < Phoenix-busy> Do all the projects use GFDL?
2008-01-12 10:08 < flyingparchment> no, wikinews is CC something or other
2008-01-12 10:08 < Phoenix-busy> ah
2008-01-12 10:09 < Phoenix-busy> CC 2.5 apparently
2008-01-12 10:10 < pfctdayelise> CC BY
2008-01-12 10:10 < pfctdayelise> "CC 2.5" has no meaning
2008-01-12 10:11 < Phoenix-busy> Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License then
2008-01-12 10:12 < pfctdayelise> yes
2008-01-12 10:12 < pfctdayelise> also commons accepts about a dozen or so licenses for images, which are its main stock and trade
2008-01-12 10:12 < pfctdayelise> s/images/media files
2008-01-12 10:13 * Phoenix-busy would think it obvious that CC 2.5 means creative commons attribution 2.5 license
2008-01-12 10:13 < Phoenix-busy> images have loads of accepted licenses regardless of what project they're on
2008-01-12 10:16 < Phoenix-busy> does wk require refs?
2008-01-12 10:16 < Phoenix-busy> haven't seen any
2008-01-12 10:16 < pfctdayelise> Phoenix-busy: there are 6 CC licenses...
2008-01-12 10:17 < Phoenix-busy> yes 9_9
2008-01-12 10:26 < smallfoot-> you need to deop some trigger-happy power-tripping ops
2008-01-12 10:26 < smallfoot-> i've been banned from both #wikipedia and #wikipedia-en
2008-01-12 10:27 < smallfoot-> dont go trigger-happy on good loyal contributors, it will only make you enemies
2008-01-12 10:27 < smallfoot-> soon as you criticise something about wikipedia, you get banned
2008-01-12 10:28 < smallfoot-> they say its free, i questioned that since its licensed under the GFDL/CreativeCommons, so it doesnt come with no strings attached
2008-01-12 10:28 < Phoenix-busy> smallfoot-: You were trolling, then arguing in -en
2008-01-12 10:28 < Phoenix-busy> see #wikimedia-ops
2008-01-12 10:29 < smallfoot-> arguging in -en, i just pointed out that i got banned in #wikipedia, soon as he saw me join, he banned me immediatly
2008-01-12 10:29 < gurch> zomg bannination
2008-01-12 10:31 < smallfoot-> i have 8000+ edits, contributed for years, created many articles, uploaded many images, photographies, diagrams, illustrations, been a loyal and good contributor for years, but when confronted with ops like this, and the unfairness in the community, the feeling that comes to me is desire to vandalize wikipedia
2008-01-12 10:31 < Phoenix-busy> smallfoot-: You were trolling in #wikipedia he had every right to believe you'd do it in -en
2008-01-12 10:32 < Majorly> smallfoot-: please, go and vandalise
2008-01-12 10:32 < Phoenix-busy> JohnReaves is highly respected, he ran for arbcom
2008-01-12 10:32 < Majorly> Phoenix-busy: anyone can run for arbcom
2008-01-12 10:32 * gurch has more than 120000 edits. doesn't make the community seem any less unfair.
2008-01-12 10:32 * JohnReaves denies these accusations
2008-01-12 10:32 < smallfoot-> Majorlym, i have a botnet of millions of bots, i could vandalize wikipedia so bad it would be useless
2008-01-12 10:33 < Phoenix-busy> yes,, but he had a chance of geting in though
2008-01-12 10:33 * gurch points out to smallfoot- that he is talking bollocks.
2008-01-12 10:33 < Phoenix-busy> !op threatening to vandalise wikipedia
2008-01-12 10:33 < Majorly> smallfoot-m, great, great
2008-01-12 10:33 < Majorly> an op is threatening to vandalise?
2008-01-12 10:33 < Phoenix-busy> smallfoot-: I'm afraid that wouldn't be possible
2008-01-12 10:33 < gurch> threatening to vandalize wikipedia is fine
2008-01-12 10:33 < Phoenix-busy> Majorly: 9_9
2008-01-12 10:33 < smallfoot-> i never threatened to vandalize wikipedia, its just a desire that i feel after being treated poorly by powertripping ops
2008-01-12 10:33 < smallfoot-> Phoenix-busy, why is that?
2008-01-12 10:33 < Phoenix-busy> threatening
2008-01-12 10:34 * gurch threatens to redirect [[User:Phoenix-wiki]] to [[Fnord]]
2008-01-12 10:34 < NotASpy> smallfoot-: there's a few reasons for choosing the GFDL, CC wasn't about when WP was started, some jurisdictions don't do Public Domain, and to make sure content we create stays free in perpetuity, it needs to have a self replicating licence, such as the GFDL which forces derivative works to be licenced under the same terms of use and reuse.
2008-01-12 10:34 < Majorly> smallfoot-: I suggest you don't troll, then the ops won't need to go on their trip
2008-01-12 10:34 < Phoenix-busy> :-o
2008-01-12 10:34 < Phoenix-busy> AHH!
2008-01-12 10:34 < JohnReaves> smallfoot-: Why don't you go work on that botnet
2008-01-12 10:34 < smallfoot-> JohnReaves, doing so as-we-speak
2008-01-12 10:34 < gurch> how many bots did you say it had?
2008-01-12 10:34 < smallfoot-> JohnReaves, its self-replicating, it doesnt require work
2008-01-12 10:35 < JohnReaves> Ah
2008-01-12 10:35 < gurch> one... hundred... billion... bots *raises little finger to corner of mouth*
2008-01-12 10:35 < smallfoot-> gurch, its difficult to estimate, but its really large
2008-01-12 10:35 < gurch> ok
2008-01-12 10:35 < smallfoot-> depends on time-of-day
2008-01-12 10:35 < gurch> well, we don't believe you
2008-01-12 10:35 < Martinp23> smallfoot-: Please, if you feel you shouldn't have been banned, request an unban in #wikimedia-ops . It's not the right course of action to go to other channels and complain and issue threats.
2008-01-12 10:35 < gurch> tell you what, take down Myspace and we'll believe you
2008-01-12 10:35 < NotASpy> smallfoot-: our licence choice has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
2008-01-12 10:35 < smallfoot-> NotASpy, it could dual-licensed, public domain and GFDL
2008-01-12 10:35 < gurch> and you'll be doing the world a favour at the same time :)
2008-01-12 10:35 < smallfoot-> gurch, good idea
2008-01-12 10:36 * Majorly <3 MySpace
2008-01-12 10:36 < smallfoot-> Martinp23, thank you. One of few who are actually helpful.
2008-01-12 10:36 < Phoenix-busy> [15:14] <smallfoot-> all i did was exercise my right of freespeech as a dissident to point out that slimvirgin is a corrupt admin who have abused her powers constantly and ruthlessly to the dismay of wikipedia <- You're telling me that's not trolling?!?! SlimVirgin is an excellent admin, and though you don't have to agree with that, saying she's corrupt and abuses her powers constantly iss...
2008-01-12 10:36 < Phoenix-busy> ...a step too far
2008-01-12 10:36 < NotASpy> smallfoot-: that serves no real purpose, since you can choose the licence of your choice, and people just take our content to do with as they like, without creating more free content for reuse by others in the future.
2008-01-12 10:36 < smallfoot-> #wikimedia-ops unable to join channel (address is banned)
2008-01-12 10:36 < JohnReaves> hah, hold on
2008-01-12 10:37 < smallfoot-> NotASpy, wikipedia is too big for that
2008-01-12 10:37 < smallfoot-> NotASpy, and if they do that, then let them. for something to be free, you have to accept that things doesnt always go in the direction you like
2008-01-12 10:37 < JohnReaves> try joining now
2008-01-12 10:37 < NotASpy> smallfoot-: practically, yes, people don't notice our content being nicked all that readily, but ideologically, that's how it has to be.
2008-01-12 10:38 < smallfoot-> JohnReaves, thanks
2008-01-12 11:03 < smallfoot-> Wikipedia is one of the most popular websites on the Internet. It is used by lots of people as a primary source of reference. Naturally, there are people who wish to sway the opinion of people, and edit articles to reflect their personal agenda.
2008-01-12 11:04 < smallfoot-> Alone this is not easy, since your edits are likely to be reverted. But working in a group together on a set of articles, this makes it much easier.
2008-01-12 11:05 < brianmc> TINC
2008-01-12 11:05 < smallfoot-> Intelligence agencies such as the CIA are most-likely editing Wikipedia articles to reflect their interests.
2008-01-12 11:06 < Majorly> ok
2008-01-12 11:06 < smallfoot-> Maybe there is no cabal, but there surerly are external groups who try to alter the state of articles to reflect their interests.
2008-01-12 11:07 < smallfoot-> CIA and other intelligences agencies works by spreading desinformation. It would be silly to believe that they don't edit the world largest site for information and education...
2008-01-12 11:08 < brianmc> I've seen all the CIA edits wikiscanner helps
2008-01-12 11:09 < smallfoot-> Yes, WikiScanner is great tool. But it isn't difficult for CIA agents to avoid the wikiscanner by editing the articles from other locations...
2008-01-12 11:09 < smallfoot-> So no, you haven't seen *all* the CIA edits...
2008-01-12 11:09 < domas> mmm
2008-01-12 11:09 < domas> conspiracy theories
2008-01-12 11:09 < smallfoot-> Yes, a conspiracy theory, but a highly plausable one.
2008-01-12 11:10 < domas> yup
2008-01-12 11:10 < Martinp23> smallfoot-: hmm the unique thing about wikipedia is that anyone can edit. We can't just exclude governmental organisations because they're going to be biased.
2008-01-12 11:10 < domas> pokemon articles were sure cia inspired
2008-01-12 11:10 < domas> smallfoot-: FSB can edit wikipedia too
2008-01-12 11:10 < domas> and mosad
2008-01-12 11:10 < Martinp23> The thing is... it's just as easy for you to remove their bias as it is for them to put it in.
2008-01-12 11:10 < domas> and many other organizations
2008-01-12 11:10 < domas> it is easier to remove
2008-01-12 11:10 < domas> than to put
2008-01-12 11:10 < domas> ;-)
2008-01-12 11:11 < domas> on the other hand
2008-01-12 11:11 < domas> CIA has information too
2008-01-12 11:11 < domas> not only disinformation ;-D
2008-01-12 11:11 < smallfoot-> Martinp23, yes we cannot exlucse any govermental organisations. They will always be able to contribute somehow. But we must try to avoid Wikipedia becoming biased by intelligence agences, religious fundamentalists and political organisations.
2008-01-12 11:11 < domas> is it becoming biased?
2008-01-12 11:12 < smallfoot-> domas, I don't know. Does it? Bias can be very difficult to detect...
2008-01-12 11:12 < domas> is nobody trying to ensure the neutrality?
2008-01-12 11:12 < smallfoot-> domas, yes FSB and Mosad are most-likely also editing Wikipedia...
2008-01-12 11:12 < smallfoot-> domas, sure. But when a group works together, doing that may be difficult.
2008-01-12 11:13 < domas> so, what do you want to prove?
2008-01-12 11:13 < shimgray> smallfoot-: if we're going to start banning people because we think they don't sound like they're going to be completely useful and neutral contributors, we could start by rangeblocking the entire home ISP market
2008-01-12 11:13 < smallfoot-> domas, Surerly CIA has information too, but the information they rather keep to themselves. The desinformation they spread.
2008-01-12 11:13 < Martinp23> smallfoot-: Do we? Any more than we need to avoid the POV of any editor on any article? We get along fine with NPOV and users checking edits, as the past 5 years or so have shown....
2008-01-12 11:13 < domas> smallfoot-: go, make a study on how it spreads in wikipedia
2008-01-12 11:13 < Martinp23> smallfoot-: What solution would you propose to this percieved problem?
2008-01-12 11:13 < domas> smallfoot-: I can have lots of theories too
2008-01-12 11:13 < smallfoot-> Martinp23, I don't believe there is any solution...
2008-01-12 11:14 < shimgray> in a global sense, the number of articles the CIA - or anyone - would care about putting misinformation into is trivially small. and we *already* have people spamming crap into those
2008-01-12 11:14 < shimgray> I don't think we really need to worry
2008-01-12 11:14 < domas> ;-) yup
2008-01-12 11:14 < Martinp23> my thoughts exactly ;)
2008-01-12 11:14 < shimgray> well, we *do* need to worry - but worry about real problems, not about "OMG the CIA"
2008-01-12 11:14 < smallfoot-> shimgray, good point, that is actually very true.
2008-01-12 11:15 < smallfoot-> Well, I think the problem exists, and that there is no clear solution to this problem, but we should be aware of the problem...
2008-01-12 11:15 < domas> smallfoot-: if you think the problem exists, it is not a reason for everyone to go thinking so :)
2008-01-12 11:16 < brianmc> If we can cope with the Scientologists we can cope with the CIA
2008-01-12 11:16 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-12 11:16 < smallfoot-> brianmc, interesting statement. Good point.
2008-01-12 11:17 < NotACow> the CIA is slightly more rational in its behavior
2008-01-12 11:17 < NotACow> and somewhat more grounded in relaity
2008-01-12 11:17 < Majorly> what is a "hacking day" at Wikimania/
2008-01-12 11:17 < NotACow> er, reality
2008-01-12 11:17 < Majorly> ?
2008-01-12 11:17 < smallfoot-> Yeah, and CIA is trained in the spread of disinformation...
2008-01-12 11:18 < NotACow> Majorly: it's a little party at which the arbcom and friends take machetes to effigies of wikipedia's enemies
2008-01-12 11:18 < domas> =)
2008-01-12 11:18 < domas> hacking day is very special day
2008-01-12 11:18 < domas> thats when few guys go into serious discussions
2008-01-12 11:18 < Majorly> srsly, I want to know. Is it computing stuff?
2008-01-12 11:18 < domas> and in another room there're lots of people sharing their wishes
2008-01-12 11:18 < NotACow> Majorly: it's the developer's conference
2008-01-12 11:18 < domas> but nobody actually listens
2008-01-12 11:18 < Majorly> ok thanks
2008-01-12 11:19 < NotACow> domas: hee, like every other developers' conference, then :)
2008-01-12 11:19 < domas> yup
2008-01-12 11:19 < domas> I remember there was someone moderating it all
2008-01-12 11:19 < domas> I don't even know where he was from
2008-01-12 11:19 < domas> nor why he was doing that
2008-01-12 11:20 < domas> people were talking about future of wikis and all the other boring stuff
2008-01-12 11:20 < domas> =)
2008-01-12 11:20 < domas> eventually we found another room
2008-01-12 11:20 * NotACow presently doesn't have enough time to be a developer :\
2008-01-12 11:20 < domas> thats always a good excuse, yes
2008-01-12 11:20 < shimgray> this is all lies
2008-01-12 11:21 < domas> the other good excuse is "I'm not X language developer"
2008-01-12 11:21 < shimgray> the developers lock themselves in a room and get very drunk
2008-01-12 11:21 < shimgray> that's all it is. they just want to be left alone, so they claim it's boring.
2008-01-12 11:21 * shimgray nods persuasively
2008-01-12 11:21 < domas> shimgray: well, thats so true
2008-01-12 11:21 < NotACow> domas: my children take priority over hacking. i suppose that makes me not really a hacker :)
2008-01-12 11:21 < brianmc> It is boring!
2008-01-12 11:21 < shimgray> NotACow: HACK YOUR CHILDREN
2008-01-12 11:21 < NotACow> shimgray: i'm not a genetic engineer :)
2008-01-12 11:21 < shimgray> (they're at such a programmable age...)
2008-01-12 11:22 < domas> anyway, when we want developer conference, we want just us kicking each other, etc
2008-01-12 11:22 < domas> but it ends up that 50 people we don't know come in
2008-01-12 11:22 < domas> and want something from us
2008-01-12 11:22 < domas> :)
2008-01-12 11:22 < brianmc> probably beer
2008-01-12 11:22 < NotACow> bourbon
2008-01-12 11:22 < domas> meh, not really, they can get it elsewhere
2008-01-12 11:22 < domas> btw, getting strong drinks in egypt is difficult
2008-01-12 11:22 < NotACow> domas: yeah, one of the reasons i objected to alexandria back in '06
2008-01-12 11:23 < domas> and local wine/beer isn't the best :) but whatever, I drank taiwanese beer
2008-01-12 11:23 < NotACow> domas: one of the big rasons i go to wikimania is to sit in a bar and drink with danny :)
2008-01-12 11:23 < domas> I can drink local egypt stuff too
2008-01-12 11:23 < domas> :)
2008-01-12 11:23 < brianmc> As long as the beer isn't dual-use. :P
2008-01-12 11:23 < domas> btw
2008-01-12 11:23 < domas> what is average temperature in alexandria
2008-01-12 11:23 < domas> in summer? :)
2008-01-12 11:24 < shimgray> you get Taiwanese beer?
2008-01-12 11:24 < Jhs> Taiwanese beer sucks
2008-01-12 11:24 < domas> in taiwan, yes
2008-01-12 11:24 < domas> Jhs: ok, it wasn't _that_ bad
2008-01-12 11:24 < Jhs> actually, all beers suck
2008-01-12 11:24 < NotACow> i imagine jimmy'd have me arrested if i showed up at wikimania, anyway :)
2008-01-12 11:24 < Jhs> Taiwanese beers don't suck more than other beer.
2008-01-12 11:24 < Jhs> they all suck equally.
2008-01-12 11:24 < brianmc> Try Duvel. ;-)
2008-01-12 11:25 < NotACow> Jhs: that's not true. there are german beers that are actually drinkable.
2008-01-12 11:25 < domas> ok, average temperature is 27C
2008-01-12 11:25 < Jhs> the beer I drank in Taiwan was German. and it was not drinkable.
2008-01-12 11:25 < domas> at least shouldn't be as humid as in taipei
2008-01-12 11:25 < NotACow> Jhs: it was in taiwan, so what do you really expect?
2008-01-12 11:25 < Jhs> i didn't expect much, really
2008-01-12 11:26 * Majorly doesn't really drink, so won't comment
2008-01-12 11:26 < brianmc> To be a real country you need a football (soccer) team, and a beer
2008-01-12 11:27 < NotACow> well, that rules the US out then
2008-01-12 11:27 < NotACow> we don't have any beers here
2008-01-12 11:27 < brianmc> No, just puts them in the 3rd World. :P
2008-01-12 11:27 < domas> NotACow: well, you've got quite a few microbreweries there
2008-01-12 11:27 < domas> that makes quite consumable beer
2008-01-12 11:27 < domas> :)
2008-01-12 11:27 < domas> *make
2008-01-12 11:27 < NotACow> domas: finding them can be hard.
2008-01-12 11:28 * NotACow admits that she doesn't drink much beer
2008-01-12 11:28 * Majorly prefers soft drinks
2008-01-12 11:29 < NotACow> cassis, bourbon, brandy, tequila.
2008-01-12 11:30 < brianmc> I only touch spirits on special occasions like a bottle of Laphroaig at new year
2008-01-12 11:31 < NotACow> i have a bottle of pumpkin wine that i'm saving for thanksgiving next year
2008-01-12 11:31 * shimgray bought two bottles of whisky today and feels a bit of a glutton in this conversation
2008-01-12 11:31 < shimgray> (but they were cheap! I got 20% off!)
2008-01-12 11:32 < NotACow> shimgray: hehe
2008-01-12 11:32 < NotACow> shimgray: we have about $1500 in spirits at the moment, give or take
2008-01-12 11:32 < shimgray> it was one of those terrible moments where you walk into the shop and get paralysed by indecision
2008-01-12 11:32 < NotACow> shimgray: and so you buy both!
2008-01-12 11:32 < shimgray> quite so
2008-01-12 11:33 < NotACow> shimgray: which ones did you get?
2008-01-12 11:33 < NotACow> shimgray: our liquor store here offers free delivery on orders over $100. we've been in that range on several occasions
2008-01-12 11:33 < shimgray> an Aberlour and a Caol Ila, one Speyside and one Islay
2008-01-12 11:33 < shimgray> I seem to have quite a stockpile of Islay at the moment.
2008-01-12 11:34 < brianmc> Dalwhinne (sp?) Is the one I like at the smoother end of the spectrum
2008-01-12 11:36 < shimgray> Dalwhinnie
2008-01-12 11:36 < brianmc> thanks
2008-01-12 11:38 * NotACow is more likely to go for Elijah Craig or 1792
2008-01-12 11:40 < NotACow> my poor boy
2008-01-12 11:40 < NotACow> with the hole in the back
2008-01-12 13:09 < Sebboh> Hi. I've just installed wikimedia 1.10.0 and I'd like to add a captcha to the user registration page. How might I proceed?
2008-01-12 13:10 < shimgray> try #mediawiki :-)
2008-01-12 13:10 < shimgray> (wikimedia is the organisation, mediawiki the software... oh, if only we'd thought to get better names a few years ago...)
2008-01-12 13:12 < Sebboh> ... Hah, I knew that. Typo, sorry. :) ... I made the same typo when I asked the question, too! Where's my head.. heh.. Cheers, bye.
2008-01-12 14:24 < gribeco> hi slavie, I was waiting for you =)
2008-01-12 14:24 < gribeco> can you give me access to #wikimedia-admin ?
2008-01-12 14:24 < slavie> Sure.
2008-01-12 14:57 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-01-12 14:57 < Anthere2> wikipedia review taught me something
2008-01-12 14:57 < Anthere2> http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?extra_listing=mixed&form_mode=opt_b&post_back=1&firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=Florence&name=Nibart-Devouard&street=&city_zip=&state_id=&localtime=survey
2008-01-12 14:58 < guillom> haha
2008-01-12 14:58 < Anthere2> it is not really funny
2008-01-12 15:00 < Fabexplosive> oy Anthere2, guillom
2008-01-12 15:00 < gribeco> boom Fabexplosive
2008-01-12 15:00 < Fabexplosive> hey gribeco and boom!
2008-01-12 15:00 < Fabexplosive> :D
2008-01-12 15:00 < guillom> well, finding out using the internet that you're a board member of several organizations or companies you've never heard of is quite unusual
2008-01-12 15:01 < guillom> hi Fabexplosive , gribeco
2008-01-12 15:01 < gribeco> do the companies actually exist?
2008-01-12 15:01 < gribeco> the web site might be spidering data and getting confused
2008-01-12 15:01 < brianmc> Ok, is this Fabexplosive in the last pane? http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20080106.html
2008-01-12 15:02 < Anthere2> guillom
2008-01-12 15:02 < Anthere2> the karl company is actually centiare
2008-01-12 15:02 < Anthere2> and look at that
2008-01-12 15:02 < Anthere2> http://www.sbwire.com/news/view/9912
2008-01-12 15:02 < Fabexplosive> brianmc: hehe
2008-01-12 15:03 < Anthere2> wtf is going on
2008-01-12 15:03 < guillom> Anthere2, ah, never heard of that
2008-01-12 15:03 < Anthere2> Karl Nagel is centiare fondator
2008-01-12 15:03 < yannf> Anthere2, really fun your visit to the police...
2008-01-12 15:04 < Anthere2> and centiare is Gregory Kohs
2008-01-12 15:04 < yannf> at least your report about it
2008-01-12 15:04 < Anthere2> SonicAD, in short, I am written as board member of the company led by Gregory Kohs
2008-01-12 15:04 < gribeco> well they don't even own centiare.com anymore =D
2008-01-12 15:04 < Anthere2> who is currently trying to destroy us
2008-01-12 15:04 < Anthere2> yes, it was a cool visit yannf
2008-01-12 15:05 < guillom> Anthere2, http://www.whitepages.com/corporate/contact_us > How do I remove a listing
2008-01-12 15:05 < Anthere2> yeah
2008-01-12 15:05 < Anthere2> but may be am I not ONLY in the listing
2008-01-12 15:05 < gribeco> "MyWikiBiz is a new directory where you can author your legacy on the Internet. We think you are notable, even if Wikipedia has rejected an article about you or your enterprise as being "non-notable". With MyWikiBiz, you create a beautiful, reader-friendly page that will get picked up by Google, Yahoo!, and MSN Search engines."
2008-01-12 15:05 < Anthere2> I think it is time I find out if I am not really even on the board actually
2008-01-12 15:06 < guillom> Anthere2, without knowing it ?
2008-01-12 15:22 < NotACow> Anthere2: you're on the board; it's just that the board no longer has control over the foundation.
2008-01-12 15:22 < NotACow> Anthere2: the board never really did
2008-01-12 15:23 < NotACow> Anthere2: greg kohs has been spamming internet directories listing you in false positions
2008-01-12 15:24 < NotACow> Anthere2: this has been since someone listed his phone number as your phone number somewhere
2008-01-12 15:52 * Fabexplosive gnight
2008-01-12 16:22 < britty_> hiho
2008-01-12 16:22 * britty_ sings
2008-01-12 16:54 < Phoenix-wiki> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gp75motorsports http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Blow_of_Light Userpages have two identical messages
2008-01-12 17:30 < bastique> thanks Majorly
2008-01-12 17:30 < Majorly> np
2008-01-12 17:31 < Warpath> O_O
2008-01-12 17:36 < bastique> email to foundation-l sent
2008-01-12 17:38 < Majorly> about?
2008-01-12 17:38 < Majorly> oh ok
2008-01-12 17:38 < Majorly> why is it the jury is almost identical every year?
2008-01-12 17:39 < bastique> because nobody else offers to be on it?
2008-01-12 17:39 < bastique> Because I picked it from last years?
2008-01-12 17:39 < Majorly> lol WP:NOT a democracy
2008-01-12 17:39 < bastique> I made some changes
2008-01-12 17:39 < Majorly> oh good
2008-01-12 17:39 < bastique> And Austin and KJ haven't acknowledged their acceptance
2008-01-12 17:40 < bastique> so they may or may not be on it
2008-01-12 17:40 < Majorly> they are always on it, aren't they?
2008-01-12 17:40 < bastique> "Always" == 2 times
2008-01-12 17:40 < bastique> then yes
2008-01-12 17:41 < bastique> Damian Finol and Michael Snow are new this year
2008-01-12 17:42 < bastique> There will be better competition this year. I think that none of the options are foregone
2008-01-12 17:42 < bastique> Although I can't see a serious bid coming from Kathmandu
2008-01-12 17:42 < bastique> Majorly: This means that if you England people want to do it, you have about an hour
2008-01-12 17:42 < Majorly> no thanks.
2008-01-12 17:43 < Majorly> hi Gary_Kirk!
2008-01-12 17:43 < bastique> Majorly: Maybe we should create the 2010 page
2008-01-12 17:43 < Majorly> maybe not
2008-01-12 17:43 < bastique> HEY!
2008-01-12 17:43 < Majorly> I can't be arsed with it
2008-01-12 17:43 < bastique> Don't be such a negative nellie
2008-01-12 17:43 < Gary_Kirk> Hello
2008-01-12 17:43 < Majorly> it's too much hard work, for what could just be nothing
2008-01-12 17:43 < Majorly> and I have better things to do with my time than just be rejected
2008-01-12 17:45 < bastique> Get used to rejection
2008-01-12 17:45 < bastique> acceptance doesn't come without rejection
2008-01-12 17:46 < Gary_Kirk> I am co-author of a new book, "A rejection is better than an assassination"
2008-01-12 17:46 < Majorly> bastique: been there done that
2008-01-12 17:48 < bastique> Well, there comes Karlsruhe
2008-01-12 17:49 < Majorly> ah a European one
2008-01-12 17:49 < Majorly> I like the look of Brisbane though
2008-01-12 17:50 < bastique> "according to Alexa..." that bitch thinks she knows everything
2008-01-12 17:51 < DerHexer> .oO(Karlsruhe o_O Federal Constitutional Court of Germany)
2008-01-12 17:51 < Majorly> DerHexer: have you ever been there?
2008-01-12 17:52 < DerHexer> I don't remember.
2008-01-12 17:52 < bastique> DerHexer: who would?
2008-01-12 17:53 < DerHexer> lol, I thought you mean if I've ever been in Karlsruhe
2008-01-12 17:53 < DerHexer> I've never visited the Federal Constitutional Court. ;)
2008-01-12 17:53 < bastique> I'm saying, is Karlsruhe that memorable?
2008-01-12 17:53 < Gary_Kirk> I'm confused, but glad to see everyone is enthusiastic and positive...
2008-01-12 17:53 * DerHexer whispers no.
2008-01-12 17:54 < Majorly> Gary_Kirk: yeah you are
2008-01-12 17:54 < DerHexer> but I don't know ... I've never been there, imho
2008-01-12 17:55 < Gary_Kirk> Tragic
2008-01-12 17:55 < DerHexer> true
2008-01-12 17:55 < Mbimmler> i've been there...the court is boring, hardly visible from the outside :)
2008-01-12 17:56 < Mbimmler> and very very few police
2008-01-12 17:56 < DerHexer> Hallo Mbimmler. :)
2008-01-12 17:58 < Mbimmler> hallo :)
2008-01-12 17:58 < bastique> I cans go home?
2008-01-12 18:24 < Gary_Kirk> I'll tell the schools minister not to bother then, shall I?
2008-01-12 18:24 < Majorly> hehe
2008-01-12 18:24 < Majorly> Gary_Kirk: you're too negative, I find
2008-01-12 18:52 < Gary_Kirk> I see
2008-01-12 18:55 * Majorly huggles Gary_Kirk
2008-01-12 18:55 < Majorly> why so annoyed with me?
2008-01-12 18:57 < Pilotguy> :(
2008-01-12 19:00 < Majorly> hmm someone ought to nominate A. B. for meta adminship
2008-01-12 19:01 * Pilotguy huggles Miranda
2008-01-12 19:01 < Miranda> hi Pilotguy
2008-01-12 19:01 < Pilotguy> HI MIRANDA!!!!!
2008-01-12 19:01 < Pilotguy> :D