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2008-01-26 15:37 < Shiroi_Neko> Doc_glasgow I do NOT want Bill Clinton as the first ady
2008-01-26 15:37 < Shiroi_Neko> he is far to hairy
2008-01-26 15:38 < Ionas_Freeman> here it is:
2008-01-26 15:38 < TheWeasel> yay for amount of hair as a criterion for competence
2008-01-26 15:38 < Doc_glasgow> Shiroi_Neko: I will take your word for that
2008-01-26 15:38 < Shiroi_Neko> Doc_glasgow I am quoting someone else
2008-01-26 15:38 < Shiroi_Neko> monica or something
2008-01-26 15:38 < TheWeasel> "if she's not got enough common sense not to marry someone that hairy..."
2008-01-26 15:39 < Ionas_Freeman> Parties:
2008-01-26 15:39 < Shiroi_Neko> TheWeasel Jimbo is hairy
2008-01-26 15:39 < Shiroi_Neko> Shave The Wales!
2008-01-26 15:39 < Shiroi_Neko> STW
2008-01-26 15:39 < Doc_glasgow> In a recent poll US woman were asked whether they would have sex with Bill Clinton.....
2008-01-26 15:39 < Doc_glasgow> ....53% said never again
2008-01-26 15:40 < Ionas_Freeman> random832: I got the thing copied but my client makes the whole thing "line editor" and crapfloods the channel.
2008-01-26 15:40 < Shiroi_Neko> Doc_glasgow women talk from experience
2008-01-26 15:40 < Shiroi_Neko> were men asked?
2008-01-26 15:41 < Doc_glasgow> youmissed the joke
2008-01-26 15:41 < Doc_glasgow> it implies at least 53% of all US women have already had sex with him
2008-01-26 15:41 * TheWeasel is trying to even vaguely understand military structure
2008-01-26 15:41 < autocracy> Doc_glasgow: no
2008-01-26 15:41 < autocracy> Doc_glasgow: implies at least 53% of the sample has
2008-01-26 15:42 < TheWeasel> Sampling bias.
2008-01-26 15:42 < Random832> Ionas_Freeman: i didn't say to paste the whole thing in the channel, i said to tell me
2008-01-26 15:42 < TheWeasel> Precisely.
2008-01-26 15:42 < Doc_glasgow> ah, I should have said " in a survey of 10,00 Us women"
2008-01-26 15:42 < autocracy> Doc_glasgow: I think the joke is better as you told it. Just let us laught without trying to explain it ;)
2008-01-26 15:42 < Doc_glasgow> I ruined the joke by leven room for semantics
2008-01-26 15:42 < autocracy> Doc_glasgow: no, you ruined it by trying to ADD semantics
2008-01-26 15:43 < Doc_glasgow> ok, it wan't funny
2008-01-26 15:44 < TheWeasel> I remember it as "What, again?"
2008-01-26 15:44 < Shiroi_Neko> Doc_glasgow still
2008-01-26 15:44 < Shiroi_Neko> were men asked?
2008-01-26 15:44 < TheWeasel> it is *fictional*.
2008-01-26 15:45 < Doc_glasgow> Shiroi_Neko: no, in reality no-one was asked
2008-01-26 15:45 < Shiroi_Neko> well
2008-01-26 15:45 < Shiroi_Neko> were fictional men asked/
2008-01-26 15:45 < Shiroi_Neko> ?>
2008-01-26 15:45 < TheWeasel> o.o rooms full of aspies.
2008-01-26 15:45 < TheWeasel> squabbling over grammar in jokes
2008-01-26 15:45 < TheWeasel> while never laughing for a bit
2008-01-26 15:47 < TheWeasel> I catch myself doing that though
2008-01-26 15:47 < TheWeasel> saying things like "that's unrealistic, ostriches don't fly in reality."
2008-01-26 15:48 < TheWeasel> completely ruining the atmosphere
2008-01-26 15:48 < Doc_glasgow> Why did the checken cross the road?
2008-01-26 15:48 < shimgray> TheWeasel: I think you mean "rooms full of aspies, *comma*, squabbling..."
2008-01-26 15:48 < shimgray> flows better, y'know
2008-01-26 15:49 < TheWeasel> line two and three were bit of a freely-formed phrase
2008-01-26 15:49 < TheWeasel> Why did the chicken cross the check-in?
2008-01-26 15:50 < TheWeasel> oh, compulsive punning too.
2008-01-26 15:52 < Ionas_Freeman> It seems whenever I send a mailing list something, they respond on their cliquey little list but not directly to me.
2008-01-26 15:52 < TheWeasel> :-/ cabal angst
2008-01-26 15:52 * TheWeasel has never been on the mailing list
2008-01-26 15:53 < Mike2> http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1b5bd6e3e034d00b4f73
2008-01-26 15:54 < Random832> "godtube"?
2008-01-26 15:54 < Mike2> yes, godtube =|
2008-01-26 15:54 < TheWeasel> Praise the fnord.
2008-01-26 15:54 < Random832> anyone have any scripts they'd like to have made into gadgets but can't be bothered to do the conversion themselves?
2008-01-26 15:58 < Shiroi_Neko> what is the beyond in question?
2008-01-26 15:58 < Shiroi_Neko> "What if you recieved a mail from the beyond" ?
2008-01-26 15:59 < Shiroi_Neko> afterife?
2008-01-26 15:59 < Shiroi_Neko> wouldnt that have a ridiclous shipping cost?
2008-01-26 16:00 < Shiroi_Neko> and why would mail be in the form of a video?
2008-01-26 16:01 < TheWeasel> it's basically a clean version of youtube where clean people discuss clean subjects.
2008-01-26 16:01 < Shiroi_Neko> and "personal relationship with Jesus Christ"
2008-01-26 16:01 < lti> youtube isn't working for me for some reason
2008-01-26 16:01 < Shiroi_Neko> isnt that gay?
2008-01-26 16:01 < Ionas_Freeman> [[Godtube]] for religious people
2008-01-26 16:01 < TheWeasel> no
2008-01-26 16:01 < TheWeasel> they don't like gay.
2008-01-26 16:02 < TheWeasel> it's like "straight hugging"
2008-01-26 16:02 < TheWeasel> male bonding
2008-01-26 16:02 < TheWeasel> whatever
2008-01-26 16:02 < lti> me too
2008-01-26 16:02 < Shiroi_Neko> youtube down?
2008-01-26 16:02 < lti> youtube isn't working for me for some reason
2008-01-26 16:02 < Shiroi_Neko> Godtube iss for you
2008-01-26 16:02 < Ionas_Freeman> iti: you mean you don't like gays?
2008-01-26 16:02 < Ionas_Freeman> If you don
2008-01-26 16:02 < lti> I develop computer software
2008-01-26 16:03 < Ionas_Freeman> If you don't like youtube, maybe http://archive.org/index.php is for you
2008-01-26 16:03 < Luigi30> hooray
2008-01-26 16:03 < lti> youtube isn't working for me for some reason
2008-01-26 16:03 < Luigi30> I got 4 Cisco 2500 routers for $10 today
2008-01-26 16:03 < Luigi30> now I can stare at them until I find a console cable.
2008-01-26 16:04 < TheWeasel> According to comScore GodTube was the fastest growing website for the month of August, 2007.[5][6]
2008-01-26 16:04 < Shiroi_Neko> Luigi30 or
2008-01-26 16:04 < Shiroi_Neko> you can buy a console cable
2008-01-26 16:04 < Shiroi_Neko> or sell them on ebay
2008-01-26 16:04 < Shiroi_Neko> to buy 4 Cisco 2500 routers but with te cable
2008-01-26 16:05 < Mike2> http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=97759aa27a0c99bff671
2008-01-26 16:05 < Luigi30> True
2008-01-26 16:05 < geniice> TheWeasel and with the relative sucess of Conservapedia it would appear that there is a merket
2008-01-26 16:05 < TheWeasel> certainly.
2008-01-26 16:06 < TheWeasel> they're secluding themselves quite a lot.
2008-01-26 16:06 < TheWeasel> they don't like to share things.
2008-01-26 16:06 < TheWeasel> need something of their own all the time
2008-01-26 16:06 < Shiroi_Neko> geniice!
2008-01-26 16:06 < Luigi30> they've also got ISDN modules, which are completely useless to me
2008-01-26 16:09 < geniice> TheWeasel I think it is more complex than that. Talk radio would be another part of the theme
2008-01-26 16:09 < lti> Not that much more
2008-01-26 16:09 < Doc_glasgow> shimgray: perhaps he should have AGF and placed a {{cite}} on that, rather then reverting http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anstruther_Fish_Bar&curid=9372975&diff=187099350&oldid=187099143
2008-01-26 16:10 < TheWeasel> yea, even though there's a lot of talk radio which isn't evangelical but just generally right-wing
2008-01-26 16:10 < Shiroi_Neko> geniice you particularly busy?
2008-01-26 16:11 < geniice> why?
2008-01-26 16:11 < Shiroi_Neko> face-hug time
2008-01-26 16:11 * Shiroi_Neko facue hugs you
2008-01-26 16:11 < Shiroi_Neko> geniice I pm
2008-01-26 16:11 < shimgray> it does indeed sound plausible
2008-01-26 16:12 < shimgray> I mean, it presumes the population of Fife are predominantly "wanks", which is a somewhat ill-defined term, but, well...
2008-01-26 16:13 < shimgray> ...I've *met* a representative sample, and it sounds entirely accurate ;-)
2008-01-26 16:13 < Shiroi_Neko> shimgray you met a wanker?
2008-01-26 16:14 < TheWeasel> Gordon Brown has his constituency up there I think.
2008-01-26 16:15 < shimgray> Dundee, isn't he?
2008-01-26 16:15 < Doc_glasgow> Fife
2008-01-26 16:16 < shimgray> somewhere bleak
2008-01-26 16:16 < Doc_glasgow> Dunfermline
2008-01-26 16:16 < shimgray> ah, Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath
2008-01-26 16:16 < shimgray> (it got redrawn in 2005)
2008-01-26 16:17 < Doc_glasgow> I only know those names from maps, and listening to football tables I never understood talking of something valled relegation
2008-01-26 16:17 < shimgray> interestingly, the other bits of the seat got shifted to Dunfirmline and West Fife, which the LDs took
2008-01-26 16:17 < shimgray> Doc_glasgow: ah, that famous cryptic phrase beloved of Scottish radio, "Partick Thistle Nil"
2008-01-26 16:18 < Doc_glasgow> the LDs have a habit of taking what doesn't belong to them
2008-01-26 16:18 < shimgray> (oddly precise name for a team, but there you go.)
2008-01-26 16:18 < DrRevo> Hi All
2008-01-26 16:18 * shimgray has just found a copy of Scottish Historical Documents going spare, and cheers
2008-01-26 16:18 < Doc_glasgow> I've never cared about football
2008-01-26 16:19 < Doc_glasgow> which makes me an odd scot
2008-01-26 16:19 < Mike2> My gosh this is such a perverse religion. Seems to align greatly with Islam. Thanks for the info, I never really seen how much mormon differed from our own.
2008-01-26 16:19 < Mike2> http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=49136a4102ee4b4103ae&page=2&viewtype=&category=md
2008-01-26 16:19 < Doc_glasgow> I have to drink more whisky to compensate for my lack of national attributes
2008-01-26 16:19 < shimgray> I care about it just enough to keep an eye on when Hibs lose, because then I can annoy my brother over it :-)
2008-01-26 16:20 < TheWeasel> I love it when this emotionless BBC guy reads something like two hundred football results in a row
2008-01-26 16:21 < shimgray> TheWeasel: You'll really like the shipping forecast, then
2008-01-26 16:21 < Messedrocker> Alkivar, do you know how to isolate a BIOS image from the BIOS of a computer?
2008-01-26 16:21 < shimgray> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipping_Forecast#Influences_on_popular_culture - I love our articles, sometimes
2008-01-26 16:22 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-01-26 16:22 < shimgray> it's the national moment of meditation
2008-01-26 16:22 < TheWeasel> right Dogger Bank, German Bight calm four turning south-west.
2008-01-26 16:22 < Messedrocker> Ceiling_Cat, do you know how to isolate a BIOS image from the BIOS of a computer?
2008-01-26 16:23 < TheWeasel> it's like Zen
2008-01-26 16:23 < Random832> why you ban raul?
2008-01-26 16:24 < Random832> teh cats are awesome
2008-01-26 16:24 < TheWeasel> seriously, the football results sound like messages to spies abroad.
2008-01-26 16:24 < lti> Cats are by far better pets than dogs
2008-01-26 16:24 * Space_Cat agrees with Random832
2008-01-26 16:24 * Attic_Cat waves to privatemusings
2008-01-26 16:24 * privatemusings waves back
2008-01-26 16:24 < TheWeasel> Yeovil two - Huddersfield niner, the cat sleeps on the roof.
2008-01-26 16:24 < Random832> i guess without knowing who it is, it looks like an attempt to flood
2008-01-26 16:24 < TheWeasel> Something like that
2008-01-26 16:25 * Formentar pets the cats, then goes back to sleep.
2008-01-26 16:25 < lti> Cats are by far better pets than dogs
2008-01-26 16:25 < Mike2> dinosaurs coexisted with man: the proof http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ed848b3ec66c2d0afd56
2008-01-26 16:25 < TheWeasel> Proof by bold assertion?
2008-01-26 16:25 * Formentar awakes and agrees. Pussies are perfect for heavy petting.
2008-01-26 16:25 * Ceiling_Cat likes to watch
2008-01-26 16:26 < Mike2> no, using logic!
2008-01-26 16:26 < Shiroi_Neko> hello Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-26 16:26 < Shiroi_Neko> are you freer today on this weekend?
2008-01-26 16:26 < LOUD_CAT> HELLO SHIROI_NEKO
2008-01-26 16:26 < LOUD_CAT> I NEED TO TEND TO THE FA QUEUE AND I NEED TO DEAL WITH SOME BLOCK ISSUES
2008-01-26 16:26 < Faroframkallande> omg loud_cat
2008-01-26 16:27 * privatemusings plugs his ears a little
2008-01-26 16:27 < TheWeasel> Some people should not be given megaphones even if they ask nicely.
2008-01-26 16:28 < Formentar> TheWeasel: Not even if they ask quitely? :-)
2008-01-26 16:28 < Faroframkallande> wtf
2008-01-26 16:28 < Faroframkallande> why is my ping over 500 on TF2?
2008-01-26 16:28 * TheWeasel whispers "no really, I need those 25 amplifiers..."
2008-01-26 16:29 < Mike2> Ice age? Show me proof of the ice age. Its just another straw the athiest scientist grasp for. Are you saying we evolved from apes and cavemen? If so, show me a creature that is part ape and part human. For that matter, if we evolved from apes, why would there still be apes? DUHHHH
2008-01-26 16:29 < Aqwis> what is it normally?
2008-01-26 16:30 < Messedrocker> we didn't evolve from the great apes
2008-01-26 16:30 < Messedrocker> we evolved from primitive hominids
2008-01-26 16:30 < Triona> Some would say devolved.
2008-01-26 16:30 < Aqwis> Mike2, O_o
2008-01-26 16:30 < Mike2> that's a quote from godtube
2008-01-26 16:31 < Shiroi_Neko> Mike2 what is?
2008-01-26 16:32 < TheWeasel> that's like saying "you said I descended from my brother"
2008-01-26 16:33 < TheWeasel> "I don't descend from my brother. Therefore, everything you've ever said is wrong."
2008-01-26 16:33 * Formentar does not want to meet TheWeasel's family. :-D
2008-01-26 16:33 < Mike2> Shiroi_Neko: the ice age rubbish
2008-01-26 16:33 < Shiroi_Neko> I didnt see it
2008-01-26 16:33 < TheWeasel> See, I said people *do not* (normally) descend from their siblings
2008-01-26 16:34 < TheWeasel> Except if they play in Chinatown.
2008-01-26 16:37 < TheWeasel> "Parachutists are those soldiers who are assigned to a parachuting unit."
2008-01-26 16:37 < TheWeasel> (sentence from de.wiki)
2008-01-26 16:38 < shimgray> I like the... administrative... approach there
2008-01-26 16:38 < TheWeasel> but oh well, science is "the art of formulating correct theorems"
2008-01-26 16:39 < TheWeasel> so we progress slowly in our definitory approach
2008-01-26 16:39 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-01-26 16:39 < Messedrocker> we may not get it right immediately
2008-01-26 16:39 < Messedrocker> but we're trying to get it more and more right
2008-01-26 16:40 < TheWeasel> Now, a parachuting unit...
2008-01-26 16:42 < TheWeasel> ...is a unit characterized primarily by the presence of ...whatitsname
2008-01-26 16:45 < WikiHelper> guys is the tool server down?
2008-01-26 16:45 < autocracy> WikiHelper: yes, #wikimedia-toolserver
2008-01-26 16:45 < WikiHelper> no wonder we have no bots in #wikipedia-en-help
2008-01-26 16:47 < Formentar> Wow, that's like the time we put phenobarbital in our cats' food.
2008-01-26 16:47 < lti> Cats are by far better pets than dogs
2008-01-26 16:48 < nights> hello.
2008-01-26 16:48 < TheWeasel> They take worse to phenobarbital though.
2008-01-26 16:48 < Formentar> We discovered that they didn't all die only when after we had gathered them in a box and dug a hole in the ground. :-/
2008-01-26 16:49 < nights> im trying to expand an article which is limited for new users. im wondering if someone can help me post. its a tiny expansion with full source linking. i prepared all code in advance. would be really greatful if someone could do this.
2008-01-26 16:51 < Formentar> Wasn't much fun to have to poison and shoot a bunch of cats, but we had a serious overpopulation problem. More and more feral kittens that grew up and had kittens of their own, and feeding the few that we wanted meant feeding the lot of them.
2008-01-26 16:51 < lti> Cats are by far better pets than dogs
2008-01-26 16:59 < ArtNo70> .
2008-01-26 16:59 < Brian_M> >
2008-01-26 17:00 < MartinF> #wikipedia-de
2008-01-26 17:02 < TheWeasel> Hm?
2008-01-26 17:15 < nights> im trying to expand an article which is limited for new users. im wondering if someone can help me post. its a tiny expansion with full source linking. i prepared all code in advance. would be really greatful if someone could help me.
2008-01-26 17:15 < Ryan_wp> I can help
2008-01-26 17:15 < nights> that would have been so kind!
2008-01-26 17:15 < Ryan_wp> "would have"?
2008-01-26 17:16 < nights> ...
2008-01-26 17:16 < nights> i mean, i would appriciate it if you did.
2008-01-26 17:16 < nights> this is the page
2008-01-26 17:16 < nights> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trading_Losses
2008-01-26 17:18 < nights> ryan, thats so helpful. really
2008-01-26 17:18 < Lubaf> Mario: Looking like a porn star since 1986.
2008-01-26 17:19 < Lubaf> 1985, my mistake.
2008-01-26 17:23 < nights> anyone have been member long enough to expand the following site:
2008-01-26 17:23 < nights> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trading_Losses
2008-01-26 17:24 < autocracy> wow... "I just blew 7 billion.. oops"
2008-01-26 17:25 < lucasbfr> shht
2008-01-26 17:26 < nights> autocracy: hehe :) can you expand?
2008-01-26 17:26 < WikiHelper> just about to say so myself
2008-01-26 17:26 < mavhc> autocracy: slut
2008-01-26 17:27 < nights> WikiHelper: :)
2008-01-26 17:27 < nights> i want to add a high-roller
2008-01-26 17:27 < Xihix> You guys remember Dookie? Good times
2008-01-26 17:27 < nights> this was recently.
2008-01-26 17:27 < nights> anyone who can edit?
2008-01-26 17:28 < nights> sorry for being so persistant.
2008-01-26 17:28 < WikiHelper> I can edit, everyone can, are you blocked or something?
2008-01-26 17:29 < nights> no. but i registred too recently it seems...
2008-01-26 17:29 < shimgray> it's sprotected
2008-01-26 17:29 < nights> shimgray: semi-protected
2008-01-26 17:29 < shimgray> nights: put it on the discussion page?
2008-01-26 17:29 < Aqwis> was indefprotected first time, hmz
2008-01-26 17:30 < nights> i kinda want it up right now :/
2008-01-26 17:35 < Xihix> so...
2008-01-26 17:35 < Xihix> Remember those days when I'd ask people to comment on my FAC?
2008-01-26 17:37 < Aqwis> yes.
2008-01-26 17:38 < Xihix> good times.
2008-01-26 17:38 < nights> :)
2008-01-26 17:38 < Xihix> You see, I've grown up since then. Because, I'd be asking you to review another one of my FAC's right now otherwise!
2008-01-26 17:38 < Xihix> cough
2008-01-26 17:38 < nights> any of you guys can expand that article by the way?
2008-01-26 17:38 < nights> by chance
2008-01-26 17:47 < OverlordQ> Isn't blocking a /16 a bit overzealous?
2008-01-26 17:47 < haza-w> Ouch.
2008-01-26 17:48 < haza-w> Block link?
2008-01-26 17:48 < OverlordQ> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AIpblocklist&ip=70.85.0.0%2F16
2008-01-26 17:49 < lucasbfr> OverlordQ: ws there complaints?
2008-01-26 17:49 < haza-w> What's the NETNAME?
2008-01-26 17:49 < lucasbfr> might be a hosting company
2008-01-26 17:49 < OverlordQ> it's assigned the The Planet
2008-01-26 17:49 < lucasbfr> ThePlanet.com Internet Services Inc.
2008-01-26 17:50 < lucasbfr> nope, not overzealous then
2008-01-26 17:50 < lucasbfr> it's even a /14
2008-01-26 17:50 < shimgray> Planet are big
2008-01-26 17:50 < shimgray> (if they're who I think they are)
2008-01-26 17:50 < lucasbfr> it's webhosting services
2008-01-26 17:51 < haza-w> Gray, so I've been told...
2008-01-26 17:54 < MartinCz> Hi. How do I get tsearch2 to my wikimedia when on WinXP ?
2008-01-26 17:55 < Mike2> has anyone heard about the "war" between Scientology and Anonymous?
2008-01-26 17:55 < ronabop> Ew, theplanet? Just don't ask them to fix, change, update, do anything. Complete morons in that company.
2008-01-26 17:55 < ronabop> Mike2: yup, it's in wikinews.
2008-01-26 17:56 < haza-w> lucas: Advisable to notify the press committee about the rangeblock, or not?
2008-01-26 17:56 < lucasbfr> no
2008-01-26 17:57 < lucasbfr> it's old
2008-01-26 17:57 < haza-w> Ah...
2008-01-26 17:57 < lucasbfr> # 15:53, 16 July 2007
2008-01-26 17:57 < haza-w> Ah......
2008-01-26 17:57 < haza-w> Maybe not, then.
2008-01-26 18:00 < haza-w> How is MONGO's RfA going? Has it finished yet?
2008-01-26 18:01 < NotASpy> 57% last I checked.
2008-01-26 18:02 < NotASpy> and closed now.
2008-01-26 18:03 < haza-w> Ok. Interesting.
2008-01-26 18:03 < AzaTht> ok Vector-Images are no-go then
2008-01-26 18:04 < haza-w> AzaToth: Explain?
2008-01-26 18:04 < AzaTht> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Template_talk:Vector-Images.com
2008-01-26 18:04 < AzaTht> last input there
2008-01-26 18:05 < AzaTht> time to speedy delete all VI-images as all derivates
2008-01-26 18:05 < haza-w> Hmmm... well, enjoy.
2008-01-26 18:07 < quanticle> AzaTht: Aren't SVGs vector images?
2008-01-26 18:08 < AzaTht> quanticle: usually yes
2008-01-26 18:09 < AzaTht> but it's not limited
2008-01-26 18:09 < AzaTht> you can have bitmapped data in an svg
2008-01-26 18:11 < Mike2> how many images does this affect?
2008-01-26 18:11 < quanticle> AzaTht: So why are vector images bad?
2008-01-26 18:11 < AzaTht> quanticle: Vector-Images.com
2008-01-26 18:12 < AzaTht> not vector images as in vectorial imagry
2008-01-26 18:12 * autocracy is intensely curiuos abotu this vector discusion, but can't find the epoch of it....
2008-01-26 18:13 < AzaTht> Mike2: Category:Vector-Images.com images
2008-01-26 18:13 < AzaTht> autocracy: it's the last one now
2008-01-26 18:13 < AzaTht> Mike2: over 1000 images at least
2008-01-26 18:14 < quanticle> AzaTht: So what does that site have to do with Wiki?
2008-01-26 18:14 < AzaTht> quanticle: we are using images from them
2008-01-26 18:14 < autocracy> ooooh
2008-01-26 18:14 < AzaTht> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Vector-Images.com_images
2008-01-26 18:14 < NotASpy> autocracy: as far as I can tell, they started off with "Free Use" on their website, then have gradually become more restrictive of their licencing, finally forcing the images to be deleted as they're now regarded as non free.
2008-01-26 18:15 < AzaTht> " Thank you for your e-mail and interest in our services.
2008-01-26 18:15 < AzaTht> We do not allow to resell our images in any way. All the cliparts on our web server are copyrighted. We do not provide the rights to revectorize our images.
2008-01-26 18:15 < AzaTht> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us."
2008-01-26 18:15 < AzaTht> ___We do not provide the rights to revectorize our images___
2008-01-26 18:16 < AzaTht> that's the final nail
2008-01-26 18:16 < quanticle> AzaTht: However, it seems that the actual images aren't copyrighted. They're coats of arms and such, right?
2008-01-26 18:16 < AzaTht> quanticle: yea, that's a different story
2008-01-26 18:16 < quanticle> AzaTht: And by copyrighted, I meant trademarks.
2008-01-26 18:17 < AzaTht> lets say that would have to be decided on a image per image basis
2008-01-26 18:17 < quanticle> AzaTht: I'm scrolling through the list right now, and every image I've seen so far has been a coat of arms.
2008-01-26 18:17 < quanticle> Or a flag.
2008-01-26 18:18 < nights> im trying to expand an article which is limited for new users. im wondering if someone can help me post. its a tiny expansion with full source linking. i prepared all code in advance. would be really greatful if someone could help me.
2008-01-26 18:18 < autocracy> I dont' think they can claim a copyright on these? They can only license the media if it is by copyright
2008-01-26 18:18 < autocracy> lawyer up, little doggies
2008-01-26 18:18 < quanticle> autocracy: They can claim copyright, but they can't claim trademark, I think.
2008-01-26 18:19 < autocracy> bollocks on copyright... none of these are their original work
2008-01-26 18:19 < autocracy> coats of arms? flags?
2008-01-26 18:19 < quanticle> autocracy: They own the copyright on that particular image, but I don't think they can claim of the general image...
2008-01-26 18:19 < quanticle> But yeah, their claim is pretty tenuous...
2008-01-26 18:20 < autocracy> quanticle: you can't claim such a thing... that's like saying i claim copyright on my handwritten bible, and you can't use it to write another
2008-01-26 18:20 < mavhc> stupid ambiguous laws
2008-01-26 18:20 < autocracy> it's not my work
2008-01-26 18:20 < autocracy> at least, in the sense of the content
2008-01-26 18:20 < autocracy> *sigh* well, an idaho judge just ruled that cease & desist letters are copyrighted and DMCA-able, so... who knows anymore?
2008-01-26 18:21 < quanticle> autocracy: Nope. Bad analogy. You can claim copyright on your handwritten bible and stop me from selling photocopies. However, there's nothing stopping me from making my own handwritten bible and selling that.
2008-01-26 18:22 < quanticle> autocracy: I too read that particular legal decision with a raised eyebrow
2008-01-26 18:22 < mavhc> unless you patent the concept
2008-01-26 18:22 < quanticle> mavhc: Of handwritten bibles?
2008-01-26 18:22 < autocracy> quanticle: no... unless you say that the photocopy contains an artistic copy of my handwriting... and that's a damn stretch
2008-01-26 18:22 < autocracy> certainly, there is no inherent artistic quality to the nature of an image being in vector
2008-01-26 18:23 < quanticle> autocracy: Autocracy, that's for you to say, not me...
2008-01-26 18:23 < mavhc> what's digital and encrypted about a C&D letter?
2008-01-26 18:23 < autocracy> mavhc: nothing... it's not that part of the law that's at issue
2008-01-26 18:24 < Tony_Sidaway> A photocopy of a handwritten work can infringe copyright
2008-01-26 18:24 < quanticle> mavhc: Nothing is. The firm is claiming that their letters were copyrighted, and therefore could not be shared on a public website.
2008-01-26 18:24 < Tony_Sidaway> even if it's just a verbatim copy of a public domain work.
2008-01-26 18:25 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: True. For example, the handwritten version could be considered calligraphy, and copyrighted.
2008-01-26 18:25 < autocracy> Tony_Sidaway: again, only if the style of the handwriting is intrisically artistic ... which is why that case can never be made for courier new font on white paper
2008-01-26 18:25 < nights> any of you guys can expand that article by the way?
2008-01-26 18:25 < nights> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trading_Losses
2008-01-26 18:25 < autocracy> nights: I've seen you ask several times. I dont' believe anybody here is knowledgable on the topic. I think it's time to stop requesting
2008-01-26 18:26 < autocracy> Tony_Sidaway: That intrinsic artistic nature certainly can't apply to vector work
2008-01-26 18:26 < Tony_Sidaway> autocracy: I'm not so sure. I suspect that courier font on white paper may indeed exist, because copyright does not depend on original artistic expression.
2008-01-26 18:26 < Tony_Sidaway> "copyright on courer..." I meant
2008-01-26 18:27 < Ionas_Freeman> hello and what are you talking about
2008-01-26 18:27 < autocracy> Ionas_Freeman: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Template_talk:Vector-Images.com
2008-01-26 18:27 < Tony_Sidaway> Ionas_Freeman: hello, the price of fish
2008-01-26 18:27 < mavhc> my tab stops are artistically placed
2008-01-26 18:27 < nights> autocracy: im not asking for knowledge. i have a piece of fact to change the present situation where this list is not accurate. the code is written and just needs insertation. nothing fishy, the fact is highly known.
2008-01-26 18:27 < quanticle> mavhc: That sounds like something out _The_ _Dilbert_ _Principle_
2008-01-26 18:28 < Ionas_Freeman> Tony: what?
2008-01-26 18:28 < Messedrocker> The TTP Project
2008-01-26 18:28 < autocracy> nights: I'm sorry, can you re-clarify what you're asking for then? I'm not so sure I understand.
2008-01-26 18:28 < quanticle> autocracy: I think he's asking for someone to unprotect the page, so that he can modify it a little.
2008-01-26 18:28 < quanticle> Are there any admins about?
2008-01-26 18:29 < Tony_Sidaway> Anyway the vector images thing is a crock, and we really shouldn't be using their crap.
2008-01-26 18:30 < nights> autocracy: certainly. this page is semi-protected (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trading_Losses) and although its missing one person i cant edit since im not an old enough user.
2008-01-26 18:30 < autocracy> nights: /msg me the insertion
2008-01-26 18:30 < nights> yes. thank you so much!
2008-01-26 18:30 < autocracy> i'll read the ref and place it
2008-01-26 18:30 < AzaTht> Tony_Sidaway: VI is bad source now
2008-01-26 18:31 < AzaTht> at least should be
2008-01-26 18:31 < autocracy> nights: thank you for patience with me :)
2008-01-26 18:35 * trust licks Luigi30
2008-01-26 18:35 < Messedrocker> gay luigi?
2008-01-26 18:35 < trust> :x
2008-01-26 18:37 < Ionas_Freeman> cest la lutte finale, groupons-nous et demain, l'internationale, sera le genre humain
2008-01-26 18:37 < Ionas_Freeman> the only thing I can think of right now
2008-01-26 18:39 < nights> autocracy: no problem, thank you! i provided you the information needed now. please tell me if something isnt clear.
2008-01-26 18:39 < geniice> I see Giovanni di Stefano made it into privae eye again
2008-01-26 18:41 < autocracy> nights: I'm sorry, provided where?
2008-01-26 18:41 < nights> private message
2008-01-26 18:41 < nights> you cannot read?
2008-01-26 18:42 < nights> oh
2008-01-26 18:42 < nights> i need to register
2008-01-26 18:42 < nights> sorry
2008-01-26 18:43 * autocracy tries to remember why Delta Charlie Charlie was disabled
2008-01-26 18:44 < nights`> autocracy: sorry, my stupid mistake. i was not registered and the messages was disregarded as spam.
2008-01-26 18:45 < autocracy> Excellent. As soon as the ft.com site stop whining about server load and I can read it, I'll make the update :)
2008-01-26 18:47 < nights`> autocracy: oh it does? :(
2008-01-26 18:48 < nights`> autocracy: thank you!!
2008-01-26 18:48 < Noone1> Hey, does anyone know where I can view a 1611 King James Bible with the original spellings?
2008-01-26 18:48 < autocracy> nights`: ok, i got it to load... had to take the & out of the url
2008-01-26 18:49 < nights`> autocracy: oh. my mistake, well done.
2008-01-26 18:49 < Formentar> Noone1: U no liek lolcat bibble??
2008-01-26 18:49 < TheWeasel> Back.
2008-01-26 18:49 < autocracy> nights`: I don't find the name Alexander Adamovic in the article
2008-01-26 18:50 < nights`> autocracy: hm, a pity. but it mention The chief executive.
2008-01-26 18:50 < nights`> (Alexander Adamovic)
2008-01-26 18:50 < Noone1> Wow, someone has to much time on their hands
2008-01-26 18:50 < Evil_Monkey> Noone1: http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=1+Corinthians+13§ion=0&translation=kja&oq=1co%2013&new=1&nb=ge&ngt=Go+To%3A&ng=1&ncc=13
2008-01-26 18:50 < quanticle> Noone1: http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-King-James-Version/dp/1565631609
2008-01-26 18:51 < autocracy> nights`: yeah, i've googled that just now
2008-01-26 18:51 < nights`> let me see if i can find another reference that actually mention his name.
2008-01-26 18:51 < nights`> ok, great!
2008-01-26 18:51 < Noone1> Thanks Evil!
2008-01-26 18:51 < autocracy> nights`: i mean, it's in swedish, but it sure sounds like they're talking about him :P
2008-01-26 18:51 < nights`> hehe... yes, he was very popular :)
2008-01-26 18:51 < nights`> hehe
2008-01-26 18:51 < autocracy> I'm pretty sure "tradingchef" has little to do with cooking :-P
2008-01-26 18:52 < nights`> ha-ha.
2008-01-26 18:52 < nights`> :D
2008-01-26 18:52 < nights`> yes, pretty sure of that too!
2008-01-26 18:52 < Evil_Monkey> http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Ezekiel+23%3A19-20
2008-01-26 18:52 < Evil_Monkey> best bible quote and maybe NSFW
2008-01-26 18:54 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: I get the horses reference, but what does it mean by donkeys?
2008-01-26 18:55 * quanticle isn't Christian
2008-01-26 18:55 < Evil_Monkey> flesh = penis
2008-01-26 18:55 < Noone1> I thought flesh meant meat
2008-01-26 18:55 < Mike2> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2133/2111167098_2ce409d839_o.jpg
2008-01-26 18:56 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: Isn't that what "issue" is referring to?
2008-01-26 18:56 < nights`> ive seen that picture
2008-01-26 18:56 < Evil_Monkey> I interpreted issue as what comes out of the flesh
2008-01-26 18:56 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: As in "...and whose issue is like the issue of horses. "
2008-01-26 18:56 < Noone1> Wikipedia needs an article on the Concordant Literal New Testament (CLNT)
2008-01-26 18:56 < nights`> its far from a composition of pictures taken with different exposure levels
2008-01-26 18:56 < AzaTht> Mike2: ?
2008-01-26 18:57 < kadberry237> hey
2008-01-26 18:57 < Evil_Monkey> http://www.bible.org/netbible/index.htm?eze23.htm would agree with me :-)
2008-01-26 18:57 < Mike2> just a random image
2008-01-26 18:57 < nights`> im guessing a lot of photoshop filter
2008-01-26 18:57 < quanticle> Noone1: Wikipedia also needs an article on the Concordant Literal Internal Testatment
2008-01-26 18:57 < kadberry237> can u guys help me install wikipedia on the itouch
2008-01-26 18:57 < Noone1> That bible's like a neo-King James
2008-01-26 18:57 < Mike2> HDR and focus brackets i guess
2008-01-26 18:57 < AzaTht> Mike2: why?
2008-01-26 18:57 < kadberry237> im using the haukap site
2008-01-26 18:57 < AzaTht> Mike2: feels like chromatic abberation
2008-01-26 18:58 < kadberry237> ??
2008-01-26 18:59 < quanticle> Mike2: What's with the extreme graininess?
2008-01-26 18:59 < nights`> must be compression
2008-01-26 18:59 < nights`> i saw a clear version of it
2008-01-26 18:59 < autocracy> nights`: k, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_trading_losses
2008-01-26 19:00 < autocracy> and now i'm going to dinner
2008-01-26 19:00 < nights`> autocracy: thank you, it looks perfect.
2008-01-26 19:01 < Evil_Monkey> The polls close and Fox are already predicting Obama has won SC
2008-01-26 19:01 < nights`> have a nice dinner~!
2008-01-26 19:01 < nights`> watashi mo ikanakereba naranai deshou ne
2008-01-26 19:01 < Mike2> quanticle: no idea
2008-01-26 19:03 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: If it makes you feel any better, the Associated Press is projecting the same thing.
2008-01-26 19:03 < TheWeasel> keeps things wide open, doesn't it
2008-01-26 19:03 < Evil_Monkey> CNN as well
2008-01-26 19:04 < TheWeasel> btw, what did that actor dude die of?
2008-01-26 19:04 * Evil_Monkey still hates the colour scheme CNN have gone with for each candidate
2008-01-26 19:05 < Evil_Monkey> when they show maps of the states divided up by county it is impossible to distinguish between Obama's blue and Hilary's light blue and Edward's blue in between
2008-01-26 19:05 < TheWeasel> McCain seems unbeatable.
2008-01-26 19:05 < aires_anonfem> Evil_Monkey: What abut [[Mike Gravel]]
2008-01-26 19:06 < TheWeasel> aires_anonfem: Both of his supporters have got the flu.
2008-01-26 19:06 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Which actor dude?
2008-01-26 19:07 < TheWeasel> the one that died recently
2008-01-26 19:07 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Are you talking about Heath Ledger?
2008-01-26 19:07 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-26 19:07 < TheWeasel> Forgot the name
2008-01-26 19:07 < aires_anonfem> Has anyone noticed that reporters always say "Keith" not "Heath"
2008-01-26 19:07 < Evil_Monkey> Fred Thompson? ;-P
2008-01-26 19:08 < TheWeasel> Exit polls: America ready for black, woman president
2008-01-26 19:08 < TheWeasel> America ready for Condi
2008-01-26 19:08 < aires_anonfem> If Mike Gravel gets elected, what if he dies in office?
2008-01-26 19:09 < Evil_Monkey> most pointless KDE error message -- when you unmount an SD card, "The device was successfully unmounted, but could not be ejected"
2008-01-26 19:09 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: And that's why I use Gnome. :-P
2008-01-26 19:10 < Evil_Monkey> it is like "No keyboard found. Press any key to continue"
2008-01-26 19:10 < quanticle> aires_anonfem: Then his vice president assumes office.
2008-01-26 19:10 < aires_anonfem> but do you think he will?
2008-01-26 19:10 < aires_anonfem> (die in office, i mean)
2008-01-26 19:10 < quanticle> aires_anonfem: Gravel? Win?
2008-01-26 19:10 < aires_anonfem> when pigs fly :(
2008-01-26 19:11 < quanticle> aires_anonfem: First Gravel has to win the Presidency. Then we can wonder about his dying in office.
2008-01-26 19:11 * arcimboldo_ would endorse McCain's mother for president.
2008-01-26 19:12 < MessedRocker> im voting for stalin
2008-01-26 19:12 < quanticle> Huh. Apparently the NSA is in charge of government cybersecurity.
2008-01-26 19:12 * quanticle has mixed feelings about this.
2008-01-26 19:12 < quanticle> They're bastards, but they're competent bastards.
2008-01-26 19:12 < Aqwis> information hidden from the public = bad
2008-01-26 19:12 < Aqwis> even if it prevents millions of people from dying :|
2008-01-26 19:12 < quanticle> Aqwis: That's a pretty black and white position to take.
2008-01-26 19:12 < MessedRocker> that is why jstor is evil
2008-01-26 19:12 < Gracenotes> MessedRocker: amen
2008-01-26 19:13 < Aqwis> quanticle, i know
2008-01-26 19:13 < Evil_Monkey> JSTOR != nuclear launch codes
2008-01-26 19:13 < quanticle> Aqwis: Well, all I can say is I'm glad you don't run the country.
2008-01-26 19:13 < Aqwis> but i have to start somewhere, then develop a more nuanced opinion
2008-01-26 19:13 < MessedRocker> yes it is
2008-01-26 19:13 < quanticle> Aqwis: Information wants to be free?
2008-01-26 19:14 < Aqwis> i don't even live in "the" country ;)
2008-01-26 19:14 < MessedRocker> gracenotes did you ever get the hair iron?
2008-01-26 19:14 < Aqwis> no
2008-01-26 19:14 < Aqwis> i'm pro-copyright
2008-01-26 19:14 < Gracenotes> MessedRocker: uh, no
2008-01-26 19:14 < quanticle> Aqwis: Information wants to be anthropomorphized?
2008-01-26 19:14 < aires_anonfem> I think that George Bush has hired disinformation agents from the central Intelligence Agency to work for certain news agencies to censor Gravel and Kucinich.
2008-01-26 19:14 < Aqwis> ;|
2008-01-26 19:14 < quanticle> aires_anonfem: Why are you so in favor of Gravel, anyway?
2008-01-26 19:15 * Aqwis got Gravel 2nd on some silly thing on the web
2008-01-26 19:15 < Aqwis> after kucinich
2008-01-26 19:15 < quanticle> aires_anonfem: What are his ideas? What makes him a better candidate?
2008-01-26 19:15 < quanticle> Aqwis: Ron Paul didn't win?
2008-01-26 19:15 < aires_anonfem> none of the other candidates appeal to me (no, not Hillary and her 50 billion dollar plans), so why not?
2008-01-26 19:15 < Aqwis> why would he?
2008-01-26 19:16 < Aqwis> i'm a norwegian social democrat :)
2008-01-26 19:16 < quanticle> aires_anonfem: That's a pretty dangerous way to go about picking a candidate. For all you know, Gravel could be in favor of re-establishing slavery...
2008-01-26 19:17 < ronabop> Aqwis: Will you freely give me your bank account access information?
2008-01-26 19:17 < Gracenotes> quanticle: but whom is he going to enslave? not the Jews, I hope
2008-01-26 19:17 < aires_anonfem> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political positions_of_Mike_Gravel and
2008-01-26 19:17 < Shiroi_Neko> Gracenotes
2008-01-26 19:17 < Shiroi_Neko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#External_links_on_US_presidential_election.2C_2008
2008-01-26 19:17 < Aqwis> he pretty much wouldn't be in the Democratic party if he was pro-slavery ;(
2008-01-26 19:17 < quanticle> Gracenotes: If he enslaves white people, I guess I'd be ok with that... :-P
2008-01-26 19:17 < Aqwis> ronabop, i said i'm in favour of the *state* not hiding information (and also not gathering information about bank accounts, etc)
2008-01-26 19:17 * Shiroi_Neko enslaves males
2008-01-26 19:17 * ronabop notes the Democratic Party was the pro slavery party
2008-01-26 19:18 < aires_anonfem> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Mike_Gravel sorry
2008-01-26 19:18 < quanticle> Aqwis: You never know. The South was solidly pro-Democrat before LBJ.
2008-01-26 19:18 < Evil_Monkey> apparently Gravel is pro-choice, pro gay marriage and some other things. But based on what I see on Fox and CNN, those are the two most important issues facing the US :-)
2008-01-26 19:18 < Aqwis> heh
2008-01-26 19:18 < Shiroi_Neko> Evil_Monkey imagine gay people seeking abortions
2008-01-26 19:18 < JerseyDevil86> obama just won sc
2008-01-26 19:18 < Aqwis> mexican gay people
2008-01-26 19:18 < Aqwis> mmmm
2008-01-26 19:18 < aires_anonfem> Evil_Monkey: Those positions on gay rights are something that i like
2008-01-26 19:19 < aires_anonfem> http://www.gravel2008.us/
2008-01-26 19:19 < quanticle> aires_anonfem: I already see one reason he'd be a terrible president: Citizen Initiated National Lawmaking.
2008-01-26 19:19 < Evil_Monkey> also anti-death penalty
2008-01-26 19:19 < Aqwis> why not kucinich, aires_anonfem?
2008-01-26 19:19 < Aqwis> yes, i know he's not in the race anymore
2008-01-26 19:19 < Aqwis> but still
2008-01-26 19:19 * ronabop thinks gay people should be forced to have abotions of their non-fetuses
2008-01-26 19:19 < Evil_Monkey> Aqwis: America ready for a FlILF
2008-01-26 19:19 < arcimboldo_> Obama 70% ...
2008-01-26 19:19 < aires_anonfem> Kucinich has dropped out of the race (he was a great candidate)
2008-01-26 19:19 < JerseyDevil86> quantich: the south was pro-dem before lbj because of the dixiecrats
2008-01-26 19:19 < Aqwis> aires_anonfem, mm
2008-01-26 19:20 < arcimboldo_> but after less than 1% of vote counted ...
2008-01-26 19:20 < aires_anonfem> I myself am anti-death penalty.
2008-01-26 19:20 < ronabop> 70% in SC?
2008-01-26 19:20 < JerseyDevil86> alot of them moved to the republican party after the civil rights act was signed
2008-01-26 19:20 < Evil_Monkey> of the 0% of the vote counted
2008-01-26 19:20 < quanticle> JerseyDevil86: Yep. They were pro-slavery before the Civil War and pro-Jim Crow afterward. LBJ alienated them with his civil rights legislation, so they defected.
2008-01-26 19:20 < JerseyDevil86> yep :)
2008-01-26 19:20 < JerseyDevil86> yep @ quanticle
2008-01-26 19:21 < ronabop> Then again, lincoln didn't think black people were equal to white people, so....
2008-01-26 19:21 < aires_anonfem> It was sad to hear about the 1% thing, and I think that was the result of the disinfo agents
2008-01-26 19:21 < Shiroi_Neko> ronabop they arent
2008-01-26 19:21 < Shiroi_Neko> black people are stronger
2008-01-26 19:21 < quanticle> aires_anonfem: Citizen initiative is a terrible idea, because the process gets gamed by special interest groups. Also citizen initiatives tend to be unfunded, since everyone wants nice things but no one wants to pay for them.
2008-01-26 19:21 < JerseyDevil86> obama won more of the "white vote" then expected according to exit polls
2008-01-26 19:21 < arcimboldo_> If Edwards gave up the race, wouldn't Obama take most of his votes?
2008-01-26 19:21 * ronabop looks for the quotes in the Lincoln memorial
2008-01-26 19:21 < quanticle> aires_anonfem: Anyone who lives in California knows exactly what I'm talking about.
2008-01-26 19:22 < arcimboldo_> But less than 1/4th of the white vote is not an overwhelming base for national victory.
2008-01-26 19:22 < quanticle> arcimboldo_: Perhaps. Though Clinton might pick up some of the trade union endorsements.
2008-01-26 19:22 < Shiroi_Neko> wil my complaint have an audience here?
2008-01-26 19:22 < shimgray> JerseyDevil86: if there's one thing you can reasonably say from this campaign, it's that the predictions of demographic voting blocs aren't holding out
2008-01-26 19:22 < Shiroi_Neko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#External_links_on_US_presidential_election.2C_2008
2008-01-26 19:22 * Shiroi_Neko drags shimgray
2008-01-26 19:22 < JerseyDevil86> shimgray: dunno since 81% of blacks went for obama
2008-01-26 19:23 < Evil_Monkey> It is funny in New Zealand. You can have a non-binding referendum if you get signatures from 10% of the registered voters. Of course the last time this happened, the government just ignored the results
2008-01-26 19:23 < JerseyDevil86> according to exit polls that is
2008-01-26 19:23 < Evil_Monkey> especially since one of them was to reduce to number of MPs from 120 to 99
2008-01-26 19:23 < aires_anonfem> I myself am too young to vote
2008-01-26 19:23 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: What, exactly, is your complaint?
2008-01-26 19:23 < JerseyDevil86> i would love to vote in the nj primary but can't
2008-01-26 19:23 < Shiroi_Neko> "Campaign Site" external links
2008-01-26 19:23 < Shiroi_Neko> they are wrong
2008-01-26 19:23 < Shiroi_Neko> they should never be inline
2008-01-26 19:23 * Aqwis is both too young to vote and lives in the wrong country
2008-01-26 19:23 < LuciferTiger> JerseyDevil86: 78% according to CNN
2008-01-26 19:24 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Oh. Ok. What's your reasoning?
2008-01-26 19:24 < Shiroi_Neko> its spam
2008-01-26 19:24 < JerseyDevil86> my source was msnbc
2008-01-26 19:24 < Shiroi_Neko> not inline with WP:EL
2008-01-26 19:24 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Is that overall turnout or turnout among registered Democrats?
2008-01-26 19:24 < Shiroi_Neko> "External links should typically not be in the body of an article. Include them in an "External links" section at the end or in the appropriate location within an infobox."
2008-01-26 19:24 < JerseyDevil86> still a huge chunk
2008-01-26 19:24 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Ok. That sounds reasonable.
2008-01-26 19:24 < Shiroi_Neko> its from WP:EL
2008-01-26 19:24 < JerseyDevil86> did anyone here what bill clinton said about jesse jackson winning sc
2008-01-26 19:24 < LuciferTiger> exit poll results.
2008-01-26 19:24 < quanticle> JerseyDevil86: No. What did he say?
2008-01-26 19:25 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Oh.
2008-01-26 19:25 < LuciferTiger> and 78% of whatever votes he got. im not sure which of the 2 it i.
2008-01-26 19:26 < LuciferTiger> lol obama's share went from 71% to 63%
2008-01-26 19:26 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: That's kind of a big drop
2008-01-26 19:26 < LuciferTiger> not in one sweep. but in last 5 mins... all exit polls btw.
2008-01-26 19:27 * Shiroi_Neko doesnt understand why there are so many polls in the US
2008-01-26 19:27 < quanticle> Wait a sec. How can they project a winner, when none of the precincts have reported?
2008-01-26 19:27 < ronabop> 0% reporting, still. :)
2008-01-26 19:27 < Shiroi_Neko> why need the actual election?
2008-01-26 19:27 < LuciferTiger> lets just wait for the real numbers.
2008-01-26 19:27 < LuciferTiger> quanticle: EXIT POLLS
2008-01-26 19:27 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Exit polls have already been wrong once.
2008-01-26 19:27 < LuciferTiger> exactly
2008-01-26 19:27 < ronabop> McCain tied Huckabee? That's gotta hurt Romney.
2008-01-26 19:27 < LuciferTiger> thats what i said.
2008-01-26 19:27 < LuciferTiger> lets wait for real numbers
2008-01-26 19:28 < LuciferTiger> but they cant get it wrong by THAT margin
2008-01-26 19:28 * quanticle wants to slap CNN for projecting on the basis of exit polling alone
2008-01-26 19:28 < JerseyDevil86> “That’s’ just bait, too. Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice, in '84 and '88. And he ran a good campaign. Senator Obama's run a good campaign here, he’s run a good campaign everywhere.”
2008-01-26 19:28 < LuciferTiger> its like 63-23 at the moment
2008-01-26 19:28 < Evil_Monkey> where were they wrong? NH? Wasn't that the polls, not the exit polls?