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2008-01-21 18:58 < Messedrocker> Grog Vorbis
2008-01-21 18:59 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat Raul654 is a troll
2008-01-21 18:59 < Shiroi_Neko> dont pay too much attention to him
2008-01-21 18:59 < Ceiling_Cat> :P
2008-01-21 18:59 < Shiroi_Neko> he dictates featured articles and stuff
2008-01-21 18:59 < Ryanpostlethwait> apparently he also likes weird bald cats.....
2008-01-21 18:59 < Shiroi_Neko> Ryanpostlethwait only when cooked
2008-01-21 19:00 < Shiroi_Neko> and seemingly diped in semen :P
2008-01-21 19:00 < Ryanpostlethwait> In all fairness to Ceiling_Cat , they did grow on me by the end
2008-01-21 19:02 < Demi> Grog Vorbis is a tasty drink but no one ever has the right kinds of glasses to drink it from.
2008-01-21 19:03 < Cyrius> made from apples...well, mostly apples
2008-01-21 19:04 < Shiroi_Neko> Cyrius that was a part of your gf
2008-01-21 19:04 < Shiroi_Neko> not an apple
2008-01-21 19:04 < Shiroi_Neko> you juiced her little brother
2008-01-21 19:05 < Cyrius> uh
2008-01-21 19:05 < Cyrius> wtf?
2008-01-21 19:05 < Shiroi_Neko> Cyrius "baby juicer"
2008-01-21 19:05 < Shiroi_Neko> a pun to the daily show
2008-01-21 19:05 < Cyrius> I missed that one
2008-01-21 19:06 < Shiroi_Neko> aw
2008-01-21 19:06 < Shiroi_Neko> the one about stem cell research
2008-01-21 19:07 < Shiroi_Neko> where he responds to the comments about how he is against life
2008-01-21 19:07 < Shiroi_Neko> he said he has a baby juicer at home
2008-01-21 19:07 < Cyrius> heh
2008-01-21 19:07 < Shiroi_Neko> I always picture it like a blender
2008-01-21 19:08 < Shiroi_Neko> the babyis pealed and juiced :P
2008-01-21 19:09 < Evil_Monkey> I always enjoyed the title of this book - http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Peel-Otter-Gruesome-Gourmand/dp/1904573223
2008-01-21 19:09 < Evil_Monkey> "First, Peel the Otter"
2008-01-21 19:09 < Shiroi_Neko> mmm
2008-01-21 19:09 < Shiroi_Neko> Evil_Monkey thats Zoolophia
2008-01-21 19:10 < Dtobias> Don't peel the baby first... the skin is the tastiest part.
2008-01-21 19:10 < Dtobias> Too high in cholesterol, though.
2008-01-21 19:10 < Shiroi_Neko> you dont peal the skin
2008-01-21 19:10 < Shiroi_Neko> the clothes
2008-01-21 19:11 < Shiroi_Neko> and now ts pedophilia
2008-01-21 19:11 < Evil_Monkey> Shiroi_Neko: how is peeling the skin off an otter zoolophila?
2008-01-21 19:12 < Shiroi_Neko> Evil_Monkey I am sure the conservatives will figure out the "how" part
2008-01-21 19:13 < Shiroi_Neko> I wonder if anything is m:bashable anymore
2008-01-21 19:13 < Evil_Monkey> or at least Chuck Norris
2008-01-21 19:14 < Demi> i was trying to remember a joke yesterday
2008-01-21 19:15 < Demi> the punch line is "Wine-Gourd, Torn, Deceives An Otter"
2008-01-21 19:15 < Demi> but i can't remember the (extensive) set-up
2008-01-21 19:15 < OverlordQ> O_o
2008-01-21 19:16 < Evil_Monkey> Demi: is it something like "The Aristocrats'?
2008-01-21 19:17 < Demi> not really
2008-01-21 19:17 < Demi> i think i read it in a magazine
2008-01-21 19:17 < Demi> and the punchline is a headline that appears in a paper
2008-01-21 19:17 < Demi> i was trying to teach my son about the humor of shaggy dog stories (which that isn't, really)
2008-01-21 19:17 < Demi> by telling him the original, and it turns out i suck at jokes
2008-01-21 19:19 < shimgray> Demi: go for the classic, Karl Marx and his uncle's Stradivarius
2008-01-21 19:22 < privatemusings> here's a question for you fine folk......
2008-01-21 19:23 * FastLizard4 waits for a question
2008-01-21 19:23 < privatemusings> what exactly does the huge list of editors here in IRC signify?
2008-01-21 19:23 < privatemusings> they're not all really here, right?
2008-01-21 19:23 < FastLizard4> Yes they are
2008-01-21 19:23 < FastLizard4> That's the list of people logged in to the channel
2008-01-21 19:23 < privatemusings> gosh
2008-01-21 19:23 < Cyrius> it signifies IRC clients logged on and in the channel
2008-01-21 19:23 < FastLizard4> AndrewB: Deop yourself
2008-01-21 19:23 < Cyrius> nothing more, nothing less
2008-01-21 19:23 < wimt> They may not all be at their machines right now though
2008-01-21 19:24 < privatemusings> so that means they've left their machine's on but might be somewhere else
2008-01-21 19:24 < wimt> And indeed, most probably aren't
2008-01-21 19:24 < privatemusings> so they're logged on, but mostly absent.
2008-01-21 19:24 < privatemusings> I feel like that most of the time....
2008-01-21 19:24 < FastLizard4> !ops please deop AndrewB has been oped for some time without doing anything, whois indicates idle for 7 hours, 40 minutes, 10 seconds
2008-01-21 19:25 < tomaw> erm
2008-01-21 19:25 < wimt> privatemusings, hehe yeah. Many may be around but not looking at this channel so mentioning their name can get attention.
2008-01-21 19:25 < tomaw> that's the one!
2008-01-21 19:25 < wimt> tomaw, second time lucky! :-)
2008-01-21 19:25 < tomaw> yes!
2008-01-21 19:25 < brown_cats> no!
2008-01-21 19:25 < Cyrius> FastLizard4: having ops is not something to make a big deal out of
2008-01-21 19:25 < brown_cats> I love the pics on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Search_Maps ^_^
2008-01-21 19:25 < FastLizard4> Cyrius: Remaining oped while unnecessary on large channels violates Freenode policy
2008-01-21 19:26 < Cyrius> yes, but why is it a policy?
2008-01-21 19:26 < Cyrius> because people get freaked out about ops
2008-01-21 19:27 < Ceiling_Cat> brown_cats!!!
2008-01-21 19:27 < Cyrius> so you're getting freaked out by an op because he's violating a policy that only exists because people get freaked out by ops!
2008-01-21 19:27 * brown_cats waves to Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-21 19:27 < Cyrius> recursive justification should be avoided
2008-01-21 19:27 * brown_cats gives Ceiling_Cat a cookie
2008-01-21 19:28 * Ceiling_Cat gobbles brown_cats's cookie
2008-01-21 19:28 < Ceiling_Cat> C IS FOR COOKIE
2008-01-21 19:28 < brown_cats> ^_^
2008-01-21 19:29 < brown_cats> Ceiling_Cat: the cookie monster ripped open a safe this morning to get to his cookie O_O
2008-01-21 19:29 * nsh smiles
2008-01-21 19:29 < nsh> do you own any dictionaries, Cyrius?
2008-01-21 19:29 < Ceiling_Cat> join my wikiproject!
2008-01-21 19:29 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Wikipedia:Wikiproject free music]]
2008-01-21 19:29 < Cyrius> nsh: I think I've got some somewhere
2008-01-21 19:30 < nsh> you might want to throw them out if recursive justification is to be avoided :-)
2008-01-21 19:30 < Ceiling_Cat> we're going to need people willing to do the time consuming but very rewarding task of putting muzak into articles
2008-01-21 19:30 < Cyrius> nsh: I don't see it as the same
2008-01-21 19:31 < Ryan_wp> *yawn* Hello everyone
2008-01-21 19:31 < Ceiling_Cat> hello Ryan_wp
2008-01-21 19:31 < nsh> t'is a matter of degree and as such complexity subsumed
2008-01-21 19:32 < Ryan_wp> what's the random subject of this conversation?
2008-01-21 19:32 < nsh> but self-reference is only self-cancelling under binary [at most one of true or false] logic
2008-01-21 19:32 * nsh just taking a leak on conversation
2008-01-21 19:33 < Ceiling_Cat> We just got a fill copy of the 1812 overture :)
2008-01-21 19:33 < Ceiling_Cat> full*
2008-01-21 19:34 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Image:Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - 1812 overture.ogg]]
2008-01-21 19:35 * Ryan_wp has to go, sorry
2008-01-21 19:36 < MrZ-man> Ceiling_Cat: shouldn't that be a commons project?
2008-01-21 19:36 < Ceiling_Cat> MrZ-man - no, its scope extends to wikipedia articles as well
2008-01-21 19:36 < MrZ-man> ah
2008-01-21 19:39 < Evil_Monkey> question for Americans - would you consider the word fortnight "archaic"?
2008-01-21 19:39 < Evil_Monkey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news_section_on_the_Main_Page/Candidates#January_20
2008-01-21 19:40 * Rinn bursts into the room!
2008-01-21 19:41 * Evil_Monkey is happy to see that [[Bobby Fischer]] doesn't mention
2008-01-21 19:41 * Evil_Monkey is happy to see that [[Bobby Fischer]] doesn't mention that he died at the age of 64, the same number of squares as on a chessboard
2008-01-21 19:41 < Ceiling_Cat> Evil_Monkey - [[apophenia]] in action
2008-01-21 19:42 < Evil_Monkey> some people wanted to mention on [[Edmund Hillary]] that he died at the age of 88.48 years. Mount Everest is 8,848 m high.
2008-01-21 19:43 < geniice> have they accounted for leap years?
2008-01-21 19:43 < Evil_Monkey> nope
2008-01-21 19:43 < geniice> then tell them they are wrong
2008-01-21 19:44 < spawncampRL> hola!
2008-01-21 19:44 < Evil_Monkey> most of the editors have come out and said it is stupid
2008-01-21 19:44 < spawncampRL> has anyone check out the pakistan article recently?
2008-01-21 19:44 < spawncampRL> i was looking it over for a debates
2008-01-21 19:44 < spawncampRL> needs some serious work
2008-01-21 19:44 < spawncampRL> you'd think they'd never done anythign wrong
2008-01-21 19:44 < spawncampRL> nor fought
2008-01-21 19:45 < geniice> spawncampRL so it portrays them as wimps?
2008-01-21 19:45 < spawncampRL> not as wimps
2008-01-21 19:45 < spawncampRL> but as saint
2008-01-21 19:45 < spawncampRL> s
2008-01-21 19:45 < Rinn> Wimpy saints?
2008-01-21 19:46 < spawncampRL> yes, just like the american fotball team
2008-01-21 19:46 < geniice> {{{p50}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}|{{#if:{{{p1|}}}
2008-01-21 19:47 < spawncampRL> it just seems like a couple of english-speaking pakistani officials took out a pen and started editing
2008-01-21 19:47 < geniice> fine so edit it
2008-01-21 19:48 < spawncampRL> just what i'm doing :)
2008-01-21 19:48 < geniice> Civilian rule resumed from 1972 to 1977 under Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, until he was deposed and later sentenced to death in what amounted to a judicial murder in 1979 by General Zia-ul-Haq, who became the country's third military president
2008-01-21 19:49 < spawncampRL> hmm?
2008-01-21 19:49 < spawncampRL> Pakistan also faces instability in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, where some tribal leaders support the Taliban. Pakistan has had to deploy the army in these regions to suppress the local unrest, in Waziristan. The Waziristan conflict ended with a recently declared peace agreement between the tribal leaders and the Pakistani government that is expected to bring back stability to the region.[30]
2008-01-21 19:57 < quanticle> spawncampRL: How many of those agreements have they had? None seems to last more than two weeks.
2008-01-21 20:08 < AndrewB> FastLizard4: sorry I forgot I was opped
2008-01-21 20:11 < Xihix> Whats the best IRC client? XChat?
2008-01-21 20:11 < Messedrocker> sure
2008-01-21 20:11 < Ashfire908> for linux yea
2008-01-21 20:11 * Messedrocker uses X-Chat Aqua
2008-01-21 20:11 < Messedrocker> windows too
2008-01-21 20:11 < Messedrocker> but don't get the xchat.com build
2008-01-21 20:11 < Ashfire908> but the windows one isn't free
2008-01-21 20:12 < Xihix> yes it is.
2008-01-21 20:12 < Ashfire908> it is?
2008-01-21 20:12 < Xihix> When you're connecting to freenode, can you just do "/server freenode"?
2008-01-21 20:12 < Xihix> yes.
2008-01-21 20:15 < Ceiling_Cat> CRAZYTALES!
2008-01-21 20:15 * Ceiling_Cat huggles
2008-01-21 20:16 < Xihix> hey Ceiling Cat.
2008-01-21 20:16 < Ceiling_Cat> Hello Xihix
2008-01-21 20:17 < Xihix> Say, C_C, are you promoting any main page articles soon?
2008-01-21 20:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Xihix - I did a batch last night
2008-01-21 20:18 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm doing another batch tonight
2008-01-21 20:18 < Ceiling_Cat> and then Sandy is going to take over the night after that
2008-01-21 20:18 < Xihix> main page requests?
2008-01-21 20:18 < Xihix> accepting 'em?
2008-01-21 20:18 < Ceiling_Cat> oh, no
2008-01-21 20:18 < Ceiling_Cat> no main page articles just yet
2008-01-21 20:18 < Xihix> ooh.
2008-01-21 20:18 < Ceiling_Cat> new FAs
2008-01-21 20:19 < Xihix> Oh, I see.
2008-01-21 20:19 < Ceiling_Cat> the FAC is fill literally to capacity
2008-01-21 20:19 < Ceiling_Cat> we hit the template limit last night
2008-01-21 20:19 < Xihix> Did you promote Treehouse of Horrors?
2008-01-21 20:19 * Ceiling_Cat thinks
2008-01-21 20:19 < Ceiling_Cat> No, I think I left that one
2008-01-21 20:19 < Ceiling_Cat> I didn't get to them all last night
2008-01-21 20:19 < Xihix> ah. well, I think it's the oldest one on there.
2008-01-21 20:19 < Ceiling_Cat> I've spent the better part of today uploading to commons
2008-01-21 20:20 < Ceiling_Cat> another gig O muzak
2008-01-21 20:20 < Xihix> I see.
2008-01-21 20:20 < Xihix> Well, whenever you want to promote a main page request... a little notice wouldn't hurt if I'm in here.
2008-01-21 20:25 < Crazytales> Hi Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-21 20:28 < RANCID> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=santiago,+chile&ie=UTF8&ll=33.39647,44.486604&spn=0.008142,0.013475&t=h&z=17&om=0
2008-01-21 20:28 < RANCID> what the hell is that?
2008-01-21 20:28 < Messedrocker> the kool-aid river?
2008-01-21 20:28 < RANCID> thats in baghdad
2008-01-21 20:31 < RANCID> k its blood
2008-01-21 20:31 < RANCID> haha
2008-01-21 20:31 < RANCID> "Regarding the canal of blood: I was told by a friend of mine (US Army Captain who spent a not inconsiderable time in Baghdad) that in parts of Baghdad, there are slaughter houses that dump the "waste blood" of animals into canals, turning them red with blood."
2008-01-21 20:32 < Messedrocker> oh so it's not jew blood?
2008-01-21 20:32 < kim_bruning> I need more people to pledge to being nicely naughty on WP:IAR
2008-01-21 20:33 < kim_bruning> WT:IAR too
2008-01-21 20:33 * nsh chokes on the word pledge
2008-01-21 20:33 < DerekG> Macbook air: yes or no?
2008-01-21 20:33 < nsh> it tastes like politics and produces a convulsive effect
2008-01-21 20:34 * kim_bruning performs the Heimlich maneuver on nsh :-)
2008-01-21 20:34 * TheWeasel 's chess computer fails to start a blistering attack
2008-01-21 20:35 < kim_bruning> nsh, a pledge to ignore all rules sounds wonderfully appropriate, somehow ;-)
2008-01-21 20:35 < nsh> DerekG, buy it for someone else. that way you get all the advantages of getting Air with none of the the disadvantages of having it.
2008-01-21 20:35 * nsh smiles at kim_bruning
2008-01-21 20:36 * Ceiling_Cat huggles brassratgirl
2008-01-21 20:42 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Are you surprised?
2008-01-21 20:42 < TheWeasel> I thought the chance was there, apparently it wasn't
2008-01-21 20:46 * brown_cats huggles brassratgirl
2008-01-21 20:51 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles Brown_Cat and brassratgirl
2008-01-21 20:52 * Brown_Cat facehuggles Ceiling_Cat and brassratgirl
2008-01-21 20:52 < Brown_Cat> ^_^
2008-01-21 20:59 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules
2008-01-21 20:59 < kim_bruning> I want to start a new tradition were every day, someone makes IAR purdy
2008-01-21 20:59 < kim_bruning> maybe we should have prizes for the purdiest
2008-01-21 20:59 < kim_bruning> the idea is to demonstrate that the wiki can be in flux, while still being useful
2008-01-21 21:02 < privatemusings> i love it!
2008-01-21 21:02 < privatemusings> hee hee
2008-01-21 21:03 < kim_bruning> I'll also offer a prize at wikimania I think :-)
2008-01-21 21:03 < DerekG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Ai--MfDfs -- hehe
2008-01-21 21:04 < privatemusings> 24hrs for each IAR update then?
2008-01-21 21:06 < kim_bruning> privatemusings, well, others can update, but one person sets the theme for the day
2008-01-21 21:06 < kim_bruning> is my idea anyway
2008-01-21 21:06 < kim_bruning> others might improve it
2008-01-21 21:07 < Mahlzahn> kim_bruning: kim! :)
2008-01-21 21:07 < kim_bruning> Mahlzahn, ! :-)
2008-01-21 21:07 < privatemusings> what inspired you?
2008-01-21 21:07 < privatemusings> i suppose fun is enough!
2008-01-21 21:07 < kim_bruning> privatemusings, Actually chardish set the theme for today :-)
2008-01-21 21:07 < kim_bruning> fun is important
2008-01-21 21:08 < kim_bruning> watch out for sour-faced people who hate change though
2008-01-21 21:08 < privatemusings> that's tomorrow's theme i think
2008-01-21 21:08 < kim_bruning> I'm trying to put enough movement into it as quick as possible
2008-01-21 21:08 < kim_bruning> Oh david levy reverted already
2008-01-21 21:08 < privatemusings> it's not a playground, you know
2008-01-21 21:08 < privatemusings> tut tut
2008-01-21 21:09 < privatemusings> silly David.
2008-01-21 21:10 < privatemusings> although I could see that some folk might apply this spirit of playfulness inappropriately
2008-01-21 21:10 < privatemusings> sad the wiki can't take it, really.
2008-01-21 21:11 < Cyrius> I think I'm on the way to WikiZen, because I consider IAR to be an inherently obvious and simple policy
2008-01-21 21:13 < kim_bruning> Cyrius, :-)
2008-01-21 21:13 < kim_bruning> privatemusings, well, I just put a constructive edit after the revert
2008-01-21 21:13 < kim_bruning> it's more important to be constructive
2008-01-21 21:13 < Cyrius> I'm not at the WikiZen stage yet, because I want to beat people's heads in with a hammer for arguing about it
2008-01-21 21:13 < kim_bruning> if enough folks are constructive, edit warriors shall lose :-)
2008-01-21 21:13 < kim_bruning> Cyrius, Heh
2008-01-21 21:13 < kim_bruning> Cyrius, there's WP:ZEN
2008-01-21 21:13 < kim_bruning> and there's now also ...
2008-01-21 21:14 < Cyrius> needs more koanbell
2008-01-21 21:14 < privatemusings> how long do we give this one?
2008-01-21 21:14 < privatemusings> unusual to see a monk driving a semi trailer too.....
2008-01-21 21:14 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zenwhat/Zen_guide&action=edit
2008-01-21 21:14 < kim_bruning> DARN!
2008-01-21 21:14 < kim_bruning> why did zenwhat have it deleted?
2008-01-21 21:14 < kim_bruning> darn
2008-01-21 21:15 < privatemusings> and it's gone......
2008-01-21 21:15 < kim_bruning> I'll ask him next time I see him
2008-01-21 21:15 < privatemusings> :-(
2008-01-21 21:15 < Cyrius> Wikipedia is suffering, hee.
2008-01-21 21:15 < privatemusings> if I encourage you to return it, you can ignore the no proxy editing on behalf on banned users too......
2008-01-21 21:15 < kim_bruning> Cyde, meanie, using admin tools :-)
2008-01-21 21:16 < kim_bruning> privatemusings, hmm?
2008-01-21 21:16 < privatemusings> another rule gets willfully pushed aside!
2008-01-21 21:16 < Cyrius> one of these days Cyde is going to change his name and end the false completion =D
2008-01-21 21:16 < kim_bruning> so make an improvement? :-)
2008-01-21 21:16 < kim_bruning> Cyrius, Ooops!
2008-01-21 21:17 < privatemusings> on the other hand, David does seem rather annoyed
2008-01-21 21:17 < privatemusings> p'raps it's not best to tweak his nose too openly?
2008-01-21 21:18 < kim_bruning> Image:DSC 4604.jpg
2008-01-21 21:18 < kim_bruning> is purdy
2008-01-21 21:18 < kim_bruning> privatemusings, how come?
2008-01-21 21:18 < Cyrius> "Any edit you make is temporary. Tomorrow or the day after, it may be wiped clean and you must accept it."
2008-01-21 21:18 < privatemusings> which bit of my rambling didn't make sense?
2008-01-21 21:18 < privatemusings> probably most of it!
2008-01-21 21:18 < privatemusings> sorry!
2008-01-21 21:19 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikiproject_free_music/Musopen&oldid=186015981
2008-01-21 21:19 < kim_bruning> it'd be interesting what happens if we make more edits
2008-01-21 21:19 < Ceiling_Cat> Those are the files I uploaded today :)
2008-01-21 21:19 < privatemusings> have you seen the thread on music at wikback.com, cat?
2008-01-21 21:20 < Ceiling_Cat> (I think this officially makes Wikipedia the largest collection of freely licensed music on the interwebs)
2008-01-21 21:20 < kim_bruning> Ceiling_Cat, that's a lot!
2008-01-21 21:20 < Ceiling_Cat> privatemusings - that was about sheet music more than recordings
2008-01-21 21:20 < kim_bruning> all free content?
2008-01-21 21:20 < Ceiling_Cat> kim_bruning - yes
2008-01-21 21:20 < kim_bruning> wow
2008-01-21 21:20 < kim_bruning> wowow
2008-01-21 21:20 < kim_bruning> wowowow
2008-01-21 21:20 < Ceiling_Cat> I talked Musopen into letting me slurp their entire collection
2008-01-21 21:20 < kim_bruning> Ceiling_Cat, way cool!
2008-01-21 21:20 < Ceiling_Cat> (even though I didn't need their permission, I wanted it anyway)
2008-01-21 21:21 < Ceiling_Cat> Aaron, the main guy there, was *very* hesitant about it
2008-01-21 21:21 < Ceiling_Cat> he was afraid we'd steal their traffic
2008-01-21 21:21 < Ceiling_Cat> I suggested we start piecemeal with the beethoven symphonies
2008-01-21 21:22 < Ceiling_Cat> so I did those... it went well, and he liked the result (with a noticeable increase in traffic to them) so he let me take it all
2008-01-21 21:22 < privatemusings> that's fantastic!
2008-01-21 21:22 < privatemusings> amazing job!
2008-01-21 21:22 * Ceiling_Cat nods
2008-01-21 21:22 < Ceiling_Cat> the big, big list is here:
2008-01-21 21:22 < nsh> hrmmm
2008-01-21 21:22 < nsh> interesting
2008-01-21 21:22 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sound/list
2008-01-21 21:23 < Ceiling_Cat> Ferrylodge has been helping me in recent days
2008-01-21 21:23 < Ceiling_Cat> I think he's going to update it
2008-01-21 21:23 < kim_bruning> Ceiling_Cat, doesn't traffic cost money?
2008-01-21 21:23 < Ceiling_Cat> kim_bruning - yes
2008-01-21 21:23 < kim_bruning> I still need just one more editor on IAR ^^;;
2008-01-21 21:23 < privatemusings> I'm genuinely in awe, to be honest - this is absolutely wonderful!
2008-01-21 21:23 < privatemusings> on the other hand, I haven't heard them yet.....
2008-01-21 21:23 < privatemusings> ;-)
2008-01-21 21:23 < Ceiling_Cat> privatemusings - thank you.
2008-01-21 21:24 * party goes back to working with Huggle
2008-01-21 21:24 < nsh> Ceiling_Cat, your mission, should you choose to accept it, it to write a wiki-essay about this mutually beneficial reciprocal relationship between (a) wikipedia's visibility, and thus the currency (flow) of participation that it constellates, and (b) the resources of similarly participational models of [free] content generation (such as musopen's work).
2008-01-21 21:24 < kim_bruning> nsh, YAY!
2008-01-21 21:24 < Ceiling_Cat> I started [[Wikipedia:Wikiproject free music]] for people who want to help doing some of the heavy lifting
2008-01-21 21:24 * nsh smiles
2008-01-21 21:25 < Ceiling_Cat> anyway, at this point, we have more-or-less all of the big, important works of classical music
2008-01-21 21:26 < Ceiling_Cat> BWV 1007 was #1 on my hit list for years
2008-01-21 21:26 < privatemusings> there are some interesting collaboration possibilities here, I reckon.....
2008-01-21 21:26 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Image:JOHN MICHEL CELLO-J S BACH CELLO SUITE 1 in G Prelude.ogg]]
2008-01-21 21:26 < Ceiling_Cat> I convinced John Michel to give me his muzak too
2008-01-21 21:26 < Ceiling_Cat> so we have lots of violin recordings now :)
2008-01-21 21:28 < Ceiling_Cat> privatemusings - the problem is, there's very little freely licensed music on the internet
2008-01-21 21:28 < Ceiling_Cat> However, musicians will KILL for visibility
2008-01-21 21:28 < privatemusings> exactly...
2008-01-21 21:28 < Ceiling_Cat> so it typically takes very little enticement to get them to agree to free licensing
2008-01-21 21:28 * nsh smiles
2008-01-21 21:29 * Brown_Cat scares nsh >:D
2008-01-21 21:29 < Ceiling_Cat> I think the next thing I'm going to do is start writing a few select music professors
2008-01-21 21:29 < privatemusings> and some very fine ensembles don't record commercially...
2008-01-21 21:29 < Ceiling_Cat> because colleges have lots of recordings and very little to do with them
2008-01-21 21:29 * nsh flashes his teeth
2008-01-21 21:29 < privatemusings> like conservatoire orchestras.....
2008-01-21 21:29 < Brown_Cat> O_o
2008-01-21 21:29 * Brown_Cat jumps onto nsh's lap
2008-01-21 21:29 * Brown_Cat rolls around
2008-01-21 21:29 * nsh wobbles
2008-01-21 21:31 < Ceiling_Cat> teehee
2008-01-21 21:31 * Ceiling_Cat should request an updated list of most prolific commons contributors
2008-01-21 21:31 < Ceiling_Cat> I was 54th last time I checked
2008-01-21 21:31 < privatemusings> have you had any discussions about the appropriateness of free music in an encyclopedia anywhere?
2008-01-21 21:31 < privatemusings> any dissenting voices at all?
2008-01-21 21:31 < Ceiling_Cat> privatemusings - we did back in the day
2008-01-21 21:31 < Ceiling_Cat> basically, when i started going this in 2004, there were *many* hurdles that
2008-01-21 21:32 < Ceiling_Cat> that needed to be overcome
2008-01-21 21:32 < Ceiling_Cat> (1) Lack of any ogg vorbis support anywhere (someone pointed out a codec pack downloadable for windows that fixed it)
2008-01-21 21:32 < Ceiling_Cat> (2) No template for using them
2008-01-21 21:32 < privatemusings> does the recording, for example, require the subject to be article worthy?
2008-01-21 21:32 < Ceiling_Cat> (3) Serious mediawiki flaws regarding sounds in pages
2008-01-21 21:32 < Ceiling_Cat> privatemusings - no
2008-01-21 21:32 < Ceiling_Cat> we have some songs notable enough to articles, and some that do not
2008-01-21 21:33 < Ceiling_Cat> in the latter case, we put it on the composer's page
2008-01-21 21:33 < privatemusings> The sound thing seems to be just about functional at this stage....
2008-01-21 21:33 < privatemusings> (no doubt could be improved.....)
2008-01-21 21:33 < Ceiling_Cat> privatemusings - it's gotten better in incriments
2008-01-21 21:33 < Ceiling_Cat> hold on, lemme find it
2008-01-21 21:33 < privatemusings> given that you've seen the wikback thing (which is more about sheet music) - do you think an entirely separate project might be a good idea too?
2008-01-21 21:33 < Ceiling_Cat> http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1630
2008-01-21 21:33 < Ceiling_Cat> That was a BIG bug
2008-01-21 21:34 < Ceiling_Cat> I want to kiss Tim Starling for fixing it, every time I think about it
2008-01-21 21:34 < privatemusings> I'm sure he'd like that..... ;-)
2008-01-21 21:35 < privatemusings> I've been thinking about the whole 'chords not in copyright' thing
2008-01-21 21:35 < Ceiling_Cat> apparently by fixing it, it made the entire site faster
2008-01-21 21:35 < privatemusings> hooray!
2008-01-21 21:35 < privatemusings> I'll only go as far as a tickle though.....
2008-01-21 21:35 < Brown_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lynx_kitten.jpg ^_^
2008-01-21 21:35 < Ceiling_Cat> awww :)
2008-01-21 21:35 * Ceiling_Cat prefers his cats hairless though
2008-01-21 21:36 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Image:2 Sphynx speeing.jpg]]
2008-01-21 21:36 < Brown_Cat> O_o
2008-01-21 21:36 < Ceiling_Cat> (Brown_Cat is the one on the left)
2008-01-21 21:36 < Ceiling_Cat> (White_Cat is the one on the right)
2008-01-21 21:36 < Brown_Cat> O_o
2008-01-21 21:37 < privatemusings> so jazz standards have chords, which are free to publish anywhere - and recordings can be made and uploaded.... I'm not sure wikipedia is the best fit?
2008-01-21 21:37 < privatemusings> whaddya reckon?
2008-01-21 21:37 < Ceiling_Cat> We have articles on chords
2008-01-21 21:38 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Augmented fifth]]
2008-01-21 21:38 < privatemusings> but not standards; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_bless_the_child
2008-01-21 21:38 < privatemusings> etc.
2008-01-21 21:38 < privatemusings> should have said 'chord progressions' more accurately....
2008-01-21 21:39 < Ceiling_Cat> [[50s Progression]]
2008-01-21 21:39 < Ceiling_Cat> I mean, if they are known well enough to have a name, I don't see why we shouldn't have an article on it
2008-01-21 21:40 < privatemusings> we have an article in general terms;
2008-01-21 21:40 < privatemusings> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Standard
2008-01-21 21:40 < privatemusings> many probably wouldn't warrant a specific article themselves
2008-01-21 21:40 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Category:Jazz standards]] has a *lot* of entries
2008-01-21 21:40 < privatemusings> but the information may be useful
2008-01-21 21:41 < privatemusings> ooooh - that's quite interesting....
2008-01-21 21:42 < privatemusings> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mainstream_jazz_standards
2008-01-21 21:42 < Thomas77> hi
2008-01-21 21:42 < privatemusings> each of them could have a chord progression and sound file associated easily
2008-01-21 21:42 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't know if you'll have a copyright issue with that
2008-01-21 21:42 < Ceiling_Cat> for some, I suspect you will
2008-01-21 21:42 < privatemusings> chords can't be copywritten....
2008-01-21 21:42 < privatemusings> that's the good news!
2008-01-21 21:43 < Ceiling_Cat> But [[John Cage|Silence can]] ;)
2008-01-21 21:43 < privatemusings> well we'd better keep talking then...!
2008-01-21 21:43 < privatemusings> a friend of mine attempted to publish the major scales once....
2008-01-21 21:44 < privatemusings> bought a small country with the royalties.
2008-01-21 21:44 < privatemusings> latvia i think.
2008-01-21 21:44 < privatemusings> (ducks...)
2008-01-21 21:45 < Ceiling_Cat> ; )
2008-01-21 21:45 < privatemusings> mind you, the notation sucks
2008-01-21 21:45 < privatemusings> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_of_Me_%28song%29
2008-01-21 21:47 < privatemusings> an image would be better in some ways...
2008-01-21 21:48 < Ceiling_Cat> anyone in here know SQL and have access to the toolserver?
2008-01-21 21:48 < nsh> what's the phoentic name for the noisei made when you go "shhh"
2008-01-21 21:48 < nsh> a kind of white-noise type thing
2008-01-21 21:55 < privatemusings> so if I wanted to help maintain the wiki media player, would anyone be able to point me in the right direction?
2008-01-21 21:56 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: I know SQL, so if you have toolserver access, I could help you...
2008-01-21 21:56 < quanticle> nsh: Shhh
2008-01-21 21:56 < quanticle> nsh: Or shush
2008-01-21 21:56 < privatemusings> yup it's definitely Shhh - I can vouch for that too.
2008-01-21 21:57 < privatemusings> shush is something else though.
2008-01-21 21:57 * nsh frowns
2008-01-21 21:57 < nsh> none of these answer are phonetic names for sounds
2008-01-21 21:57 * quanticle in interested about learning the difference between shh and shush
2008-01-21 21:57 * privatemusings clears his throat.....
2008-01-21 21:57 < quanticle> nsh: Is the word onomatopoeia?
2008-01-21 21:57 < Jrabbit> Can you login from two places at once?
2008-01-21 21:58 < Jrabbit> My login is being refused after restting the password
2008-01-21 21:58 < Cyrius> into what?
2008-01-21 21:58 < privatemusings> not really - that would be 'poof' or some such
2008-01-21 21:58 < Jrabbit> wiki
2008-01-21 21:58 < Jrabbit> I'm trying to be good and stay logged in for my edits :P
2008-01-21 21:58 < Cyrius> you can
2008-01-21 21:58 < privatemusings> and shush is more instructional than shhh which can be more conspiratorial
2008-01-21 21:58 < Cyrius> if it's not working, I don't know why
2008-01-21 21:58 < Jrabbit> :\
2008-01-21 21:59 < privatemusings> bad luck rabbit.....
2008-01-21 21:59 < Jrabbit> I guess
2008-01-21 21:59 < Cyrius> why are you resetting the password?
2008-01-21 21:59 < Jrabbit> I'll give it a crack later
2008-01-21 21:59 < Jrabbit> b/c the login failed with the good passowrd
2008-01-21 21:59 < Jrabbit> Multiple times
2008-01-21 22:06 < nsh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_postalveolar_fricative
2008-01-21 22:06 < nsh> jesus that was a chore to search for
2008-01-21 22:06 < Cyrius> fucking linguists
2008-01-21 22:07 < Xihix> Question
2008-01-21 22:07 < Xihix> Did MLK plagerise a lot?
2008-01-21 22:08 < nsh> Answer
2008-01-21 22:08 < nsh> your mum.
2008-01-21 22:09 * nsh voicelessly postalveolarily fricates at everyone and goes back to reading.
2008-01-21 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/ogg-dev/2007-January/000351.html
2008-01-21 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> Read that makes me angry
2008-01-21 22:14 < Ceiling_Cat> I mean, I swear it's like the Xiph developers live in la-la land
2008-01-21 22:14 < Ceiling_Cat> as opposed to the real world, where programs open files based on extension
2008-01-21 22:14 < Ceiling_Cat> s/programs/operating system
2008-01-21 22:15 < Messedrocker> Ceiling_Cat, do you believe it's worth the effort to make a gaming computer that is backwards-compatible all the way back to MS-DOS?
2008-01-21 22:15 < nsh> hoiw do you spell sleight(?) as in "to sleight someone"
2008-01-21 22:15 < privatemusings> slight
2008-01-21 22:15 * bumm13 doesn't think so
2008-01-21 22:16 < The359> Slay?
2008-01-21 22:16 < privatemusings> don't feel slighted!
2008-01-21 22:16 < bumm13> I think over a decent length of time, emulation is a better option (if implemented properly)
2008-01-21 22:16 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - I can think of exactly three games worth having DOS support for
2008-01-21 22:16 < quanticle> The359: slight, as in insult, or sleight as in sleight of hand
2008-01-21 22:16 < Ceiling_Cat> and two of them are available for windows anyway
2008-01-21 22:16 < nsh> hrmm
2008-01-21 22:16 < bumm13> ah
2008-01-21 22:16 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: If MechWarrior isn't one of them, I'll throttle you
2008-01-21 22:16 < Krimpet> I loved Lemmings 3D
2008-01-21 22:17 < bumm13> I just use DOSBox and that's usually a workable solution
2008-01-21 22:17 < Ceiling_Cat> X-com, conquest of the new world, and WarGames
2008-01-21 22:17 * quanticle throttles Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-21 22:17 < quanticle> MechWarrior was a great game and you will admit it
2008-01-21 22:17 < Ceiling_Cat> I never really got into MechWarrior
2008-01-21 22:17 < Ceiling_Cat> it looked good in theoryt
2008-01-21 22:17 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Well MechWarrior 3 was probably closest to what the game ought to have been
2008-01-21 22:17 < bumm13> it is somewhat amazing how programmers got around DOS's inherent limitations
2008-01-21 22:18 < nsh> anyone have a copy of the OED?
2008-01-21 22:18 < bumm13> (with extenders using protected mode(s))
2008-01-21 22:18 < Ceiling_Cat> BBL
2008-01-21 22:18 < quanticle> nsh: www.oed.com
2008-01-21 22:19 < nsh> you say some silly things sometimes, quanticle
2008-01-21 22:19 < Yeaux|rly> esh
2008-01-21 22:19 < nsh> unless you're implying that you have a subscription to www.oed.com
2008-01-21 22:19 < nsh> in which case it would have been far more useful to simply state that
2008-01-21 22:19 < Yeaux|rly> an OED on a chip accessible via bionic contact lens would be bitchin
2008-01-21 22:19 * Evil_Monkey connects to OED through his university
2008-01-21 22:19 < Evil_Monkey> what word do you want?
2008-01-21 22:20 < quanticle> nsh: No sorry...
2008-01-21 22:20 < nsh> slight (verb)
2008-01-21 22:20 < nsh> etymology, specifically
2008-01-21 22:20 < Darksun> My uni cancelled their subscription to OED, for some reason :(
2008-01-21 22:20 < quanticle> nsh: Merriam-Webster is free.
2008-01-21 22:20 < quanticle> nsh: www.m-w.com
2008-01-21 22:20 < Evil_Monkey> sleight, v. trans. To deceive, beguile, cheat.
2008-01-21 22:20 < Messedrocker> because there are dictionaries on the internet?
2008-01-21 22:20 < The359> I think my university wasn't subscribed to OED, but a nearby university was, and everyone just knew the password
2008-01-21 22:20 < The359> The teachers even passed around the password
2008-01-21 22:20 < Krimpet> don't forget wiktionary, the free dictionary(tm)!
2008-01-21 22:20 < Messedrocker> l;ol
2008-01-21 22:21 < Evil_Monkey> bah, it seems to be screwing up. Works better when I'm at uni, and not connecting through the proxy
2008-01-21 22:21 < Darksun> OED doesn't use sitewide passwords though
2008-01-21 22:21 < Darksun> It uses Athens
2008-01-21 22:21 * nsh frowns
2008-01-21 22:21 < quanticle> Darksun: Athens? Is that anything like Kerberos?
2008-01-21 22:22 < Yeaux|rly> http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/slight.html
2008-01-21 22:22 < Darksun> Not really
2008-01-21 22:22 < Darksun> http://www.athens.ac.uk/
2008-01-21 22:22 * Krimpet was blocked on Wiktionary after only ~3 edits. guess that's the way the cookie crumbles. -_-
2008-01-21 22:22 < Darksun> Or [[Athens_access_and_identity_management]]
2008-01-21 22:22 < The359> Guess you should stop trolling, Krimpet ;)
2008-01-21 22:22 < Evil_Monkey> I have a new flatmate from Russia who is learning English. Its scary how little I know of why we say certain things the way we say them
2008-01-21 22:23 < Evil_Monkey> especially prepositions
2008-01-21 22:23 < nsh> i'm slightly allergic to assbackwards and have a distinct distaste for retarded. So will have to slight this conversation on access methods to freely repreducible academic resources. Please use my nick if anyone manages to access a reasonable etymology of the transitive verb 'slight'
2008-01-21 22:23 < Yeaux|rly> "
2008-01-21 22:23 < Yeaux|rly> Main Entry:
2008-01-21 22:23 < Yeaux|rly> 2slight
2008-01-21 22:23 < Yeaux|rly> Function:
2008-01-21 22:23 < Yeaux|rly> transitive verb
2008-01-21 22:23 < Yeaux|rly> Date:
2008-01-21 22:23 < Yeaux|rly> 1586
2008-01-21 22:23 < Yeaux|rly> 1 : to treat as slight or unimportant : make light of"
2008-01-21 22:23 < Yeaux|rly> gah
2008-01-21 22:23 < Yeaux|rly> sorry
2008-01-21 22:23 < The359> uh...
2008-01-21 22:23 < Yeaux|rly> only wanted that last one
2008-01-21 22:24 < Yeaux|rly> so slight != sleight
2008-01-21 22:25 < Krimpet> The359: no, I dared try to transwiki [[List of Internet slang]] after the AfD ended in "transwiki." some admin blocked me for "moving pages out of process"
2008-01-21 22:25 < Yeaux|rly> http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=slight
2008-01-21 22:25 < The359> Block on sight?
2008-01-21 22:26 < quanticle> nsh: I have access to OED through my university
2008-01-21 22:26 < Krimpet> The359: apparently so. :) though a more reasonable admin later unblocked me, I've decided it's not worth contributing over there :P
2008-01-21 22:27 * nsh smiles, silently reminding people that he was looking for an etymology, not a conversation.
2008-01-21 22:27 < quanticle> nsh: Are you talking about "slight" as a verb?
2008-01-21 22:27 < Yeaux|rly> apparently
2008-01-21 22:27 < CydeWeys> Okay, I have to admit, I am chuckling a little bit at all of these cam versions of Cloverfield up on BitTorrent.
2008-01-21 22:27 < Yeaux|rly> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slight agrees mostly with etymonline.com
2008-01-21 22:27 < Krimpet> nsh: dictionaries are for etymologies; IRC is for conversations.
2008-01-21 22:28 < Cyrius> CydeWeys: that's an amusing thought =)
2008-01-21 22:28 < nsh> quanticle, that's what i meant by the phrase "etymology of the transitive verb slight", yes.
2008-01-21 22:28 < CydeWeys> Cyrius: So is the cam version even better than the original? It's more of that feel, right?
2008-01-21 22:28 < quanticle> nsh: Ok, just making sure. I'll copy and paste the etymology into a pm
2008-01-21 22:28 < nsh> thanks :-)
2008-01-21 22:28 * Ceiling_Cat pushes CydeWeys into the Jimenez hall timewarp
2008-01-21 22:29 < Cyrius> CydeWeys: I want to film a movie that looks like it's a cam version of a movie!
2008-01-21 22:29 < CydeWeys> Cyrius: Like MST3K?
2008-01-21 22:29 < Yeaux|rly> I'd be curious to know, as I haven't had any access to OED in years, how it compares to what is at etymonline.com for free
2008-01-21 22:29 < Yeaux|rly> in just this one case
2008-01-21 22:29 * nsh throws a peach-blossom shower at Krimpet
2008-01-21 22:29 < Cyrius> CydeWeys: more real than that
2008-01-21 22:29 < CydeWeys> Ceiling_Cat: I was actually in College Park on Sunday morning too. But I misread the note you left on my talk page.
2008-01-21 22:29 < Yeaux|rly> so if you wouldn't mind copying me on that PM quanticle
2008-01-21 22:29 < CydeWeys> Ceiling_Cat: It was signed as 20 January (in UTC) but it said "tomorrow".
2008-01-21 22:30 < CydeWeys> So I assumed "tomorrow" meant the 21st.
2008-01-21 22:30 < quanticle> Yeaux|rly: ok, sure
2008-01-21 22:33 < Leslie_S> wtf, my parents still dont know i have pierced ears.
2008-01-21 22:36 < quanticle> Leslie_S: How do they miss the fact that you've got stuff in your ears?'
2008-01-21 22:37 < quanticle> Stuff attached to them, I mean
2008-01-21 22:37 < Leslie_S> quanticle my hairs probably in the way
2008-01-21 22:37 < Leslie_S> speaking of, any way besides pony tails to keep my hair out of the way?
2008-01-21 22:37 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Get a haircut yeh dirty hippie :D
2008-01-21 22:37 < Leslie_S> quanticle im female.
2008-01-21 22:38 < Leslie_S> most women have hair my length
2008-01-21 22:38 < Cyrius> razor
2008-01-21 22:38 < Leslie_S> ...
2008-01-21 22:38 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Well, then I've got no advice for you
2008-01-21 22:39 < Krimpet> a hair net?
2008-01-21 22:41 < quanticle> Krimpet: I'm assuming she's not in her 50s
2008-01-21 22:41 < Krimpet> quanticle, I worked in food service for a couple years where hair nets were mandatory if you didn't put your hair in a ponytail :P
2008-01-21 22:43 < quanticle> Krimpet: Ah. Well, this is for a more permanent solution
2008-01-21 22:45 < Leslie_S> but still, youd think my parents would notice
2008-01-21 22:45 < Yeaux|rly> yeah, the OED is probably worth the $30 USD / month for the hard core word geeks
2008-01-21 22:45 < Leslie_S> Krimpet i dont work in food service.
2008-01-21 22:45 < Leslie_S> Krimpet i stock food which is already pre-packaged and sealed..
2008-01-21 22:50 < Lycurgus_> L
2008-01-21 22:51 < Lycurgus_> S
2008-01-21 22:51 < Lycurgus_> 1 word
2008-01-21 22:51 < Lycurgus_> Up.
2008-01-21 22:51 < Jrabbit> ...
2008-01-21 22:51 < Jrabbit> Wait
2008-01-21 22:51 < quanticle> O_o
2008-01-21 22:51 < Jrabbit> whats this about free music project/
2008-01-21 22:51 < quanticle> Are we playing hangman?
2008-01-21 22:51 < Jrabbit> sounds good
2008-01-21 22:51 < Jrabbit> but IIRC there is one
2008-01-21 22:56 < Lycurgus> not hangman. I accidentally hit enter instead of L_S and then compulsively followed thru.
2008-01-21 22:57 < Lycurgus> would have been: L_S: 1 work: up. (I.e bouffant, a la gumby, etc.)
2008-01-21 22:57 < Lycurgus> *word
2008-01-21 23:03 < Ceiling_Cat> omg
2008-01-21 23:03 < Ceiling_Cat> "Yes! Hillary came up strong in her efforts to make sure nobody bet on black"
2008-01-21 23:03 < Ceiling_Cat> -Jon Stewart
2008-01-21 23:07 < Demi> why does ebay keep things on your watch list when the auction is over?
2008-01-21 23:16 < Demi> ebay needs a way to annotate items you've won
2008-01-21 23:18 < quanticle> Demi: Hmmm, what do you mean?
2008-01-21 23:19 < noclip> bleh
2008-01-21 23:19 < Demi> well, you have a list of items you've won, and you can do things like leave feedback or mark that you've paid. i want to put a comment on them like when the seller told me he shipped it, or didn't, or what
2008-01-21 23:19 < noclip> paramount is going blu-ray
2008-01-21 23:19 < noclip> it's all over for hd
2008-01-21 23:19 < noclip> at least the format war is over
2008-01-21 23:19 < Demi> well, people want to watch movies in all colors, not just the parts without Blu.
2008-01-21 23:20 < noclip> in all seriousness, there is almost no difference between them
2008-01-21 23:20 < Demi> i was never sold on a hard drive/videodisc combo anyway
2008-01-21 23:20 < noclip> well, there's one major one
2008-01-21 23:20 < Demi> add to that the popularity of ray guns, and it's pretty obvious....
2008-01-21 23:20 < noclip> AACS licensing is mandatory for all BDMV content
2008-01-21 23:20 < noclip> meaning indie studios can't release their films on blu-ray without paying massive AACS royalties
2008-01-21 23:21 < Demi> what i don't see people doing is re-buying collections en masse
2008-01-21 23:21 < noclip> i certainly wouldn't
2008-01-21 23:21 < Demi> how many years does any physical format have, i wonder?
2008-01-21 23:21 < noclip> digital distribution is vaporware
2008-01-21 23:22 < Jrabbit> nah
2008-01-21 23:22 < noclip> until the US gets real broadband like the rest of the world
2008-01-21 23:22 < Jrabbit> ah
2008-01-21 23:22 < noclip> it's going to take 4 days to download
2008-01-21 23:22 < Jrabbit> thats true
2008-01-21 23:22 < Jrabbit> :P
2008-01-21 23:22 * Demi shrugs
2008-01-21 23:22 < noclip> anyway
2008-01-21 23:22 < Jrabbit> ISPs don't spend anything on the structure