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2008-01-16 18:12 < merky> or just deleted n got 'lucky'?
2008-01-16 18:12 < kim_bruning> hardy, I edited [[Wikipedia:Consensus]] :-)
2008-01-16 18:12 < kim_bruning> as an anon
2008-01-16 18:12 < kim_bruning> interesting experiment actually
2008-01-16 18:12 < tepples> is there an estimate as to how long it should take before it works again?
2008-01-16 18:12 < kim_bruning> will sane content be kept or removed?
2008-01-16 18:12 < kim_bruning> tepples, it's just overloaded, not broken
2008-01-16 18:12 < kim_bruning> tepples, think accident caused traffic jam
2008-01-16 18:12 < tepples> I knew that. But how long until the overload passes?
2008-01-16 18:12 < Seddon> IT works now
2008-01-16 18:13 < OverlordQ> yea my edit just went though
2008-01-16 18:13 < The359> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2743122
2008-01-16 18:13 < kim_bruning> tepples, accident is cleaned up, now to wait for the jam to clear
2008-01-16 18:13 < Red_Farmer> too many articles on non-notable bands
2008-01-16 18:13 < x42bn6> famous last words?
2008-01-16 18:13 < The359> The user who stole Ike9898's admin account
2008-01-16 18:13 < RevolvingBugbear> tepples: think driving in Paris -- it's -technically- possible .....
2008-01-16 18:13 < lightsup55> I just edited Talk:Rock Band (video game)
2008-01-16 18:13 < daniel_ki> so, it seems to work now, despite the error message
2008-01-16 18:13 < hardy> And now I've done another successful edit.
2008-01-16 18:13 * amidaniel would recommend not editing even if you can
2008-01-16 18:13 < amidaniel> Quite possible your edits may not survive
2008-01-16 18:13 < daniel_ki> ok
2008-01-16 18:14 < RevolvingBugbear> yes, you may be wasting your time
2008-01-16 18:14 < mattbuck> well, yes
2008-01-16 18:14 < daniel_ki> saved that one to a text file
2008-01-16 18:14 < kim_bruning> The359, whatever. Just have a steward on standby
2008-01-16 18:14 < mattbuck> xkcd should have taught you that
2008-01-16 18:14 < The359> it's already been dealt with
2008-01-16 18:14 < The359> It happened last night
2008-01-16 18:14 < mattbuck> and then you start doing maths proofs on your gf's breasts
2008-01-16 18:14 < The359> I'm just saying, if an Admin deleted the Sandbox
2008-01-16 18:14 < mattbuck> because it's a hamiltonian cycle, not a path
2008-01-16 18:14 < The359> this could be a similar cause
2008-01-16 18:14 < kim_bruning> amidaniel, how come? database restore from backup?
2008-01-16 18:15 < kim_bruning> mattbuck, now all you need is a girlfriend who can grok that :-)
2008-01-16 18:15 < amidaniel> kim_bruning: I have no idea what brion and them are doing right now, so I really shouldn't say :)
2008-01-16 18:15 < DerHexer> just half a year a backup is made, kim_bruning
2008-01-16 18:15 < DerHexer> imo
2008-01-16 18:16 < DerHexer> that's what I've heared
2008-01-16 18:16 < kim_bruning> amidaniel, you have no idea?
2008-01-16 18:16 < Red_Farmer> sandbox is working again
2008-01-16 18:16 < mattbuck> i can do it
2008-01-16 18:16 < amidaniel> DerHexer: No, there are backups made far more frequently than that. Just not "total" backups
2008-01-16 18:16 < mattbuck> of course, i would probably do complex analysis rather than graph theory
2008-01-16 18:16 < hardy> Brion Vibber posted a comment about this a few minutes ago at ""Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)
2008-01-16 18:16 < kim_bruning> amidaniel, or are you just not saying? :-P
2008-01-16 18:16 < mattbuck> but it's all the same really
2008-01-16 18:16 < amidaniel> kim_bruning: I'm just making a semieducated guess about what may possibly be going on.
2008-01-16 18:16 < amidaniel> Calculate for yourself how much confidence you want to put in my statements :)
2008-01-16 18:16 < kim_bruning> mattbuck, what does your gf have to say about it?
2008-01-16 18:16 < Phoenix-wiki> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RecentChangesBroken.PNG
2008-01-16 18:17 < domas> ohnoes
2008-01-16 18:17 < kim_bruning> amidaniel, ARGH! why does brion have to be reasonable. How can I start a crusade to close down RFA now? :-P
2008-01-16 18:17 < mattbuck> hmm, she would probably cope with it
2008-01-16 18:17 < mattbuck> i can't say i've ever asked her about it
2008-01-16 18:18 < RevolvingBugbear> kim_bruning: I'm sure you'll come up with something ;)
2008-01-16 18:18 < Save-Me-Oprah> Sandbox is working :)
2008-01-16 18:19 < x42bn6> you killed wikipedia; how could you
2008-01-16 18:19 < Red_Farmer> You bastards!
2008-01-16 18:19 < Cocoaguy> THANK GOD WIKIPEDIA IS BACK
2008-01-16 18:19 < OverlordQ> Phoenix-wiki: and that picture tells us what?
2008-01-16 18:19 < x42bn6> 3 of wikipedia's first ever edits
2008-01-16 18:19 < tepples> that there are only log entries, not revisions
2008-01-16 18:19 < x42bn6> apparently
2008-01-16 18:19 < Phoenix-wiki> nothing, but will be interesting in a few months
2008-01-16 18:20 < kim_bruning> Cocoaguy, thank brion actually, though there may be little difference
2008-01-16 18:20 < Balloon_Dog> has the staus changed?
2008-01-16 18:20 < kendwork> ah, there we go
2008-01-16 18:20 < kim_bruning> brion is god and jimbo is his prophet ? :-)
2008-01-16 18:20 < Kannie> Yeah, Jimbo will walk the earth and we shall worship Him! :D
2008-01-16 18:20 < RevolvingBugbear> balloon_dog: I'm seeing activity on my watchlist, so apparently
2008-01-16 18:20 < amidaniel> kim_bruning: Jimbo is God, brion is Jesus.
2008-01-16 18:20 < Cyrius> ...jimbo already walks the earth
2008-01-16 18:20 < amidaniel> Or the other way around maybe.
2008-01-16 18:20 < RevolvingBugbear> cyrius: are you sure about that?
2008-01-16 18:20 < Balloon_Dog> YAY!
2008-01-16 18:20 < Luna-San> Recent changes is getting edits, so it must be at least partially up
2008-01-16 18:21 < Cyrius> fairly sure
2008-01-16 18:21 < RevolvingBugbear> cyrius: I have to say, every time I've seen Jimbo, he's been sitting down
2008-01-16 18:21 < Mike_lifeguard> *The deletion transaction failed, so the db locks should be gone. Please don't flood the channel with "ITS WORKINGG!"*
2008-01-16 18:21 < RevolvingBugbear> I've never actually seen him -walk- the earth
2008-01-16 18:21 < Cocoaguy> To correct my statement: THANK BRION, WIKIPEDIA IS BACK
2008-01-16 18:21 < Luna-San> Once random vandal edits resume at the regular pace, it's usually a good indicator. :p
2008-01-16 18:22 < Cyrius> it's circumstantial, but he has to get between one sitting location and another somehow
2008-01-16 18:22 < Phoenix-wiki> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Phoenix-wiki
2008-01-16 18:22 < RevolvingBugbear> phoenix-wiki: Template:User omfgeverythingisfucked ?
2008-01-16 18:22 < Phoenix-wiki> heh
2008-01-16 18:23 * Cocoaguy was getting worried
2008-01-16 18:23 < Balloon_Dog> lol;
2008-01-16 18:23 < Demi> RevolvingBugbear - he probably needs a Davros chair, then
2008-01-16 18:24 < RevolvingBugbear> hah
2008-01-16 18:24 < Cocoaguy> So who fixed MySQL
2008-01-16 18:24 < RevolvingBugbear> cocaoguy: WP:OWN -- who fixed -our-SQL?
2008-01-16 18:26 < domas> mysql wasn't broken ;-)
2008-01-16 18:26 < ShakespeareFan00> Wiki was down?
2008-01-16 18:26 < ShakespeareFan00> I didn't even notice
2008-01-16 18:26 < ShakespeareFan00> :)
2008-01-16 18:26 < Mike_lifeguard> ShakespeareFan00: someone deleted the sandbox, but the db transaction failed, so there should be no problems now
2008-01-16 18:26 < Cocoaguy> Lol
2008-01-16 18:27 < The359> have we figured out who deleted it?
2008-01-16 18:27 < amidaniel> The359: Yes.
2008-01-16 18:27 < Cyrius> RevolvingBugbear: more like who fixed SunSQL now
2008-01-16 18:27 < The359> Broken into account or accident?
2008-01-16 18:27 < amidaniel> The359: Accident.
2008-01-16 18:27 < amidaniel> Someone trying to remove a link to a virus from the Sandbox.
2008-01-16 18:28 < ShakespeareFan00> Cyrius: Sun bought MySql?
2008-01-16 18:28 < ShakespeareFan00> LOL
2008-01-16 18:28 < The359> can we kill them then?
2008-01-16 18:28 < MessedRocker> killer kuller
2008-01-16 18:28 < amidaniel> No.
2008-01-16 18:28 < ShakespeareFan00> So that's now Apple vs Novell vs MS vs Sun vs Slashdot in the OS WARS
2008-01-16 18:28 < ShakespeareFan00> ;)
2008-01-16 18:28 < RevolvingBugbear> oh look the edit war I'm keeping tabs on restarted -- it appears everything is back to normal
2008-01-16 18:29 < MessedRocker> apple has been wasting innovation as of late
2008-01-16 18:29 < Pilotguy_aw> DEATH TO NORMALCY
2008-01-16 18:29 < MessedRocker> nein danke
2008-01-16 18:29 < ShakespeareFan00> Well Apple is startng to resmble what IBM looked like before ti had rough patch (lots of neat hardware) , flashy sfotware
2008-01-16 18:30 < MessedRocker> LOL in
2008-01-16 18:30 < Cyrius> http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/
2008-01-16 18:30 < ShakespeareFan00> but no-one really wanted the core stuff
2008-01-16 18:30 < RevolvingBugbear> MessedRocker: "innovation"? you do realize that there were only like two new things period at Macworld 08, right?
2008-01-16 18:30 < tepples> so much for "the Mac will save the world from IBM" of 1984
2008-01-16 18:30 < LawrenceWCohen> relevant thread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Apologies_everyone...
2008-01-16 18:30 < RevolvingBugbear> even the pull-the-computer-out-of-the-manila-envelope trick dates all the way back to 1994
2008-01-16 18:30 < ShakespeareFan00> Of course Apple has never been IBM
2008-01-16 18:30 < ShakespeareFan00> ;)
2008-01-16 18:31 < ShakespeareFan00> Apple is at least smart enough to see the metorite
2008-01-16 18:31 < ShakespeareFan00> :)
2008-01-16 18:31 < MessedRocker> revolving, MacBook air is certianly innovative
2008-01-16 18:31 < RevolvingBugbear> MessedRocker: which features?
2008-01-16 18:31 < Cyrius> macbook air is just polished
2008-01-16 18:32 < RevolvingBugbear> I'll give you the remove optical drive
2008-01-16 18:32 < MessedRocker> but in the I-don't-give-a-crap style
2008-01-16 18:32 < MessedRocker> I d
2008-01-16 18:32 < Cyrius> it's not really anything new, just polished up
2008-01-16 18:32 < RevolvingBugbear> but nothing else about that computer is innovative
2008-01-16 18:32 < tepples> remove optical drive? reminds me of powerbook duo
2008-01-16 18:32 < MessedRocker> and smaller
2008-01-16 18:32 < MessedRocker> but MacBook was already small
2008-01-16 18:32 < kim_bruning> Ok, now this is getting insane. A zen buddhist has written a REAL Zen of wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zenwhat/Zen_guide
2008-01-16 18:32 * kim_bruning is awed
2008-01-16 18:32 < RevolvingBugbear> there have been smaller, more powerful, lighter, more mobile notebooks than that for years
2008-01-16 18:32 < RevolvingBugbear> just .... none of them had little apples on the top
2008-01-16 18:32 < Cyrius> they may have had some innovations under the hood to get the thing as thin as it is, but the case itself, not so much
2008-01-16 18:33 < kraupu> ate
2008-01-16 18:33 < RevolvingBugbear> cyrius: a .72in notebook -- that's thinner than the air -- was introduced in 1997
2008-01-16 18:33 < geniice> The crititcal question for any new computer is is it acetone proof and how far can you drop it
2008-01-16 18:33 < kim_bruning> RevolvingBugbear, I'm sure it'd be possible to get something nicer in taiwan? :-P
2008-01-16 18:33 < RevolvingBugbear> and chip technology has gotten smaller since then, not larger
2008-01-16 18:33 < Cyrius> RevolvingBugbear: doesn't mean they did it the same way =)
2008-01-16 18:33 < kim_bruning> geniice, what do you do to your computers?
2008-01-16 18:33 * kim_bruning makes a note never to lend a box to geniice
2008-01-16 18:33 < Cyrius> geniice: mine have to deflect small arms fire
2008-01-16 18:34 < Demi> i tend to step on notebooks more than dropping them
2008-01-16 18:34 < geniice> kim_bruning metal cases are acetone proof
2008-01-16 18:34 < tepples> acetone is in the breath of people on some low carb diets
2008-01-16 18:34 < tepples> it indicates dietary ketosis
2008-01-16 18:34 < geniice> any my last (and only for a good reason) laptop survived dops of about 6 feet
2008-01-16 18:35 < kim_bruning> tepples, Yay ketones :-)
2008-01-16 18:35 < geniice> tepples acetone is in the lab in large amounts and is the reason I use a metal watch
2008-01-16 18:35 < RevolvingBugbear> geniice: have you seem those commercials for the ultratoughs where they drive over them?
2008-01-16 18:35 < kim_bruning> geniice, what kinda lab?
2008-01-16 18:35 < geniice> kim_bruning school at the moment
2008-01-16 18:35 < kim_bruning> ah
2008-01-16 18:35 < Physchim62> kim_bruning, just about any kind of lab ;)
2008-01-16 18:36 < geniice> but I've never worked in a lab without large amounts of aceton
2008-01-16 18:36 < geniice> e
2008-01-16 18:36 < RevolvingBugbear> cyrius: I'm pretty sure that (small arms fire proof) exists too somewhere
2008-01-16 18:36 < Cyrius> RevolvingBugbear: there's some crazy hardened laptops, but they're bulky
2008-01-16 18:36 < geniice> RevolvingBugbear titanium case with kevalr overlay doable
2008-01-16 18:36 < Save-Me-Oprah> I love the new Janet Jackson single
2008-01-16 18:36 < Save-Me-Oprah> it's hot.
2008-01-16 18:37 < geniice> RevolvingBugbear although anthing that can withstand rifle fire is going to be very heavy
2008-01-16 18:37 < kim_bruning> geniice, tungsten case?
2008-01-16 18:37 < kim_bruning> wait, aren't there very light armors too?
2008-01-16 18:37 < RevolvingBugbear> geniice: I feel like once you're worried about rifle fire, you have more important things to worry about than your laptop
2008-01-16 18:38 < geniice> kim_bruning balistic ceramics titanium and kelvar mix yes
2008-01-16 18:38 < kim_bruning> geniice, You Know Too Much ;-)
2008-01-16 18:38 * RevolvingBugbear has to wonder why geniice knows so much about bullet-proofing
2008-01-16 18:38 < geniice> kim_bruning but you have to replace the ceramics at regular intivervals
2008-01-16 18:40 < geniice> RevolvingBugbear eh wold arguments over US equipment in iraq
2008-01-16 18:40 < RevolvingBugbear> geniice: good point
2008-01-16 18:40 < RevolvingBugbear> living overseas, I only get the most extreme stuff usually
2008-01-16 18:40 < kim_bruning> Ok: request sanity check of this text? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus#Some_pragmatic_concessions
2008-01-16 18:41 * The359 sigh
2008-01-16 18:42 < The359> [[Bethlehem Steel]] has turned into a quagmire
2008-01-16 18:42 < Physchim62> WPspace so probably not sane
2008-01-16 18:42 < GNUtoo> hello, how was called the green {{no}} ?
2008-01-16 18:42 < geniice> kim_bruning not agree to disagree more agree to to activily oppose
2008-01-16 18:42 < The359> what?
2008-01-16 18:42 < kim_bruning> geniice, eh?
2008-01-16 18:42 < geniice> rather agree not to acvtivily oppose
2008-01-16 18:42 < The359> Are you looking for the Italian Wikipedia room, GNUtoo?
2008-01-16 18:43 < kim_bruning> ah ok
2008-01-16 18:43 < merky> off topic- does anyone like perezhilton's site lol
2008-01-16 18:43 < kim_bruning> geniice, I'd actually call that consensus still , but.... hmmm. feel free to edit
2008-01-16 18:43 < kim_bruning> merky, you shall have to link!
2008-01-16 18:43 < merky> or is it just me and u lot r above such things?
2008-01-16 18:43 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: did you understand my question yet?
2008-01-16 18:43 < kim_bruning> merky, I dunno, does it include scantily clad POTAS?
2008-01-16 18:43 < GNUtoo> The359, i am only searching for the {{no}} that is green...should i ask them?
2008-01-16 18:44 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, I think I missed it?
2008-01-16 18:44 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, where did you ask?
2008-01-16 18:44 < AzaTht> on wp_silence
2008-01-16 18:44 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh boy! Torchwood with John Barrowman and James Marsters. Sexy!
2008-01-16 18:44 < merky> i thought it may b considered spamming to do so. http://perezhilton.com it's just gossip bout all the celebritiies lol
2008-01-16 18:44 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, Oh Oh!
2008-01-16 18:44 < GNUtoo> The359, in the english wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/)
2008-01-16 18:45 < The359> It is explained on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:No
2008-01-16 18:45 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Silence_as_consensus#Consensus_flowchart
2008-01-16 18:45 < The359> {{yes}} is green
2008-01-16 18:45 < Tony_Sidaway> Spike is wearing one of those sexy soldier-boy bum freezers with all gold braid.
2008-01-16 18:45 < The359> merky, it is spamming if you aren't actually discussing anything
2008-01-16 18:46 < Tony_Sidaway> The kind my daughter wears, and people yell "My Chemical Romance!" at her.
2008-01-16 18:46 < The359> Followed by "Sucks!", Tony_Sidaway?
2008-01-16 18:47 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, I wrote an answer, but you may not like it
2008-01-16 18:47 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, I don't think anyone really WANTS to know the answer
2008-01-16 18:47 < Azzt|Undead> wha?
2008-01-16 18:47 < Azzt|Undead> lol
2008-01-16 18:47 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: hmm
2008-01-16 18:47 < GNUtoo> The359, thanks a lot i thought that something like butno existed
2008-01-16 18:47 < AzaTht> then, lets dig!!!!
2008-01-16 18:48 * Azzt|Undead got confused, seeing Az....T
2008-01-16 18:48 < Azzt|Undead> :P
2008-01-16 18:48 < Tony_Sidaway> The359: I don't thinki you understand. This is Spike from Buffy in a bum-freezer tunic smothered in Gold Braid!
2008-01-16 18:48 < Alkivar> http://jaypeeonline.net/images/dreamhost_nightmare.gif
2008-01-16 18:48 < AzaTht> "supplement (plural supplements)"
2008-01-16 18:48 < AzaTht> 1. Something added, especially to make up for a deficiency.
2008-01-16 18:48 < AzaTht> 2. An extension to a document or publication that adds information, corrects errors or brings up to date.
2008-01-16 18:48 < The359> I was discussing the "My Chemical Romance!" bit
2008-01-16 18:48 < AzaTht> 3,4 and 5 is irrelevant
2008-01-16 18:49 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, you really want to go by the dictionary on this? :-P
2008-01-16 18:49 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, if I answer that a supplement is policy, I win and lose all at once
2008-01-16 18:49 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: what else could I do?
2008-01-16 18:49 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, if I say it isn't, I win and lose all at once
2008-01-16 18:49 < AzaTht> what do you loose?
2008-01-16 18:50 < Alkivar> http://youtube.com/watch?v=GU2w72KAkQQ
2008-01-16 18:50 < kim_bruning> in the is policy case, yay, I win some policies, but I lose the ability to write anything else in the project namespace
2008-01-16 18:50 < AzaTht> I didn't say supplements are policy, but if it acts as the status it's supplement of
2008-01-16 18:50 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, in the isnot policy case, it means that there's no way to work on policy anymore, but that at least no one will yell
2008-01-16 18:50 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, you are being a bureaucrat :-P
2008-01-16 18:50 < AzaTht> no :)
2008-01-16 18:51 < AzaTht> mearly is for example WP:SILENCE can be cited as policy or not
2008-01-16 18:51 < RevolvingBugbear> azatht: best rebuttal ever
2008-01-16 18:52 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: or must the exact content of WP:SILENCE be specified in WP:CON to be applicable as policy?
2008-01-16 18:52 < AzaTht> s/exact/similar
2008-01-16 18:53 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: and, what is a supplement?
2008-01-16 18:53 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, something must have consensus to be applicable as "policy"
2008-01-16 18:53 < AzaTht> it categorises under "essays", so does that mean than all supplements are essays only?
2008-01-16 18:54 < kim_bruning> a supplement provides supplemental supplementation for that which is supplemented
2008-01-16 18:54 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: :-P
2008-01-16 18:54 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, let's put it this way. Feel free to say "this supplement is only an essay", ignore it, and get lambasted in the press, lose your admin bit, and get 100 "fuck you" messages on your talk page per day for a week
2008-01-16 18:54 < AzaTht> but if it supplements a policy, then there must be consensus that it policy, if it's correct in relation to the policy...
2008-01-16 18:55 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, and it is this sophistry that supplements were supposed to dodge :-P
2008-01-16 18:55 < RevolvingBugbear> can I ask a really stupid question?
2008-01-16 18:55 < AzaTht> RevolvingBugbear: no
2008-01-16 18:55 < kim_bruning> (ps, I'm not kidding about the one admin who that actually happened to)
2008-01-16 18:55 < Mephistopheles> yes
2008-01-16 18:55 < RevolvingBugbear> what exactly are we arguing about?
2008-01-16 18:55 < kim_bruning> RevolvingBugbear, we love stupid questions, it gives us a chance to give stupid answers :-)
2008-01-16 18:55 < Mephistopheles> women
2008-01-16 18:55 < Mephistopheles> guns
2008-01-16 18:55 < Mephistopheles> and rock'n'roll
2008-01-16 18:55 < kim_bruning> RevolvingBugbear, I have no clue
2008-01-16 18:55 < AzaTht> RevolvingBugbear: are a supplement to a policy policy
2008-01-16 18:56 < Cocoaguy> i was looking at the history of sandbox and i got the Virus that was linked to
2008-01-16 18:56 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, A supplement to a policy explains the policy
2008-01-16 18:56 < RevolvingBugbear> right but what do you mean in this case by "supplement"?
2008-01-16 18:56 < Mephistopheles> hey, i also have a question:
2008-01-16 18:56 < AzaTht> [[WP:SILENCE]]
2008-01-16 18:56 < RevolvingBugbear> do you mean an explanatory essay, a guideline, or what?
2008-01-16 18:56 < RevolvingBugbear> ah gotcha
2008-01-16 18:56 < kim_bruning> RevolvingBugbear, A page which has the happyfuntag that says "supplement"
2008-01-16 18:56 < merky> avathat- is it a proposed/prospective policy? you could just keep it as one of them 4 a bit
2008-01-16 18:56 < Mephistopheles> i already tried wikipedia-en, not very successfully
2008-01-16 18:56 < kim_bruning> RevolvingBugbear, we have them in all shapes and sizes and flavors, including vanilla, strawberry, policy, guideline, essay, etc
2008-01-16 18:56 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: when I wrote it, I had missed the short sentence in WP:CON abut silence
2008-01-16 18:57 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, look, a supplement is a supplement. if it was an essay it would be marked as essay, if it was a policy it would be marked as policy. Happy?
2008-01-16 18:57 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: so the template shouldn't exactly then categorize supplements as essays
2008-01-16 18:57 < geniice_> bah consensus= waiting untill everyone else is dead then doing what you want
2008-01-16 18:58 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, we shouldn't be categorizing stuff that way at all.
2008-01-16 18:58 < kim_bruning> geniice, that works
2008-01-16 18:58 < AzaTht> geniice_: not according to [[WP:SILENCE]] :)
2008-01-16 18:58 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, then WP:SILENCE might not be entirely correct? :-)
2008-01-16 18:58 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: ok
2008-01-16 18:58 < kim_bruning> we should add the text about waiting for everyone to be dead :-P
2008-01-16 18:58 < Mephistopheles> so: does anyone think Wikipedia should be in favor of positivism/scientism?
2008-01-16 18:58 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: read his comment wrong :)
2008-01-16 18:58 < Cocoaguy> what is the topic?
2008-01-16 18:58 < AzaTht> Cocoaguy: silence
2008-01-16 18:58 < kim_bruning> the question is: is shooting them permitted, yes or no? :-)
2008-01-16 18:59 < geniice_> kim_bruning generaly waiting for the opposition to die is not an aproved method outside of canal restoration circles
2008-01-16 18:59 < Cocoaguy> ah
2008-01-16 18:59 < kim_bruning> geniice, not approved? isn't it a de-facto method?
2008-01-16 18:59 < RevolvingBugbear> mephistopheles: I think Wikipedia should be in favor of explodism
2008-01-16 18:59 < Mephistopheles> or fartism?
2008-01-16 18:59 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: though I think I still goes for the def in wiktionary: "An extension to a document or publication that adds information, corrects errors or brings up to date."
2008-01-16 18:59 < kim_bruning> RevolvingBugbear, asplodism?
2008-01-16 18:59 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, fine by me :-)
2008-01-16 18:59 < RevolvingBugbear> try to explode it -- if it explodes, then it's real; if not, it's a fringe theory
2008-01-16 18:59 < Mephistopheles> but seriously.
2008-01-16 19:00 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, it's just a way to get people to read more stuff about a policy :-)
2008-01-16 19:00 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, so that they don't think the last word is said about it on some page with a fancy tag ;-)
2008-01-16 19:00 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: yea
2008-01-16 19:00 < AzaTht> haha
2008-01-16 19:00 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, fair enough?
2008-01-16 19:00 < AzaTht> yea
2008-01-16 19:00 < kim_bruning> \o/
2008-01-16 19:00 < kim_bruning> :-)
2008-01-16 19:01 < RevolvingBugbear> mephistopheles: if you want a serious answer to your question, yes, I believe it should, but I admit that reflects a deep personal bias
2008-01-16 19:01 < Mephistopheles> RevolvingBugbear,
2008-01-16 19:01 < RevolvingBugbear> (and I stand by the idea of an explosion test)
2008-01-16 19:02 < Mephistopheles> the thing is, some people think it's appropriate to mock at non-scientific texts and put normal statements in "quotes" as if it's bullshit
2008-01-16 19:02 < RevolvingBugbear> obviously that's asinine
2008-01-16 19:02 < neurotope> for some reasion png images mime types are not being picked up by a freash install... what should i be looking at to start fixing the problem
2008-01-16 19:02 < kim_bruning> RevolvingBugbear, how do you explode something?
2008-01-16 19:03 < RevolvingBugbear> kim_bruning: I'm nonspecific as to method
2008-01-16 19:03 < Mephistopheles> i personally think there should be no discrimination between what's perceived as scientific and non-scientific...
2008-01-16 19:03 < RevolvingBugbear> mephistopheles: non-scientific information and ideas are of course legitimate
2008-01-16 19:03 < Mephistopheles> so far so good
2008-01-16 19:03 < RevolvingBugbear> and I think they should be fairly and neutrally represented
2008-01-16 19:03 < Mephistopheles> but is there a policy or something like that
2008-01-16 19:04 < Mephistopheles> which can be used as an argument
2008-01-16 19:04 < neurotope> Mephistopheles: there should only be destinction in rigor and testing method... scientific gets overused
2008-01-16 19:04 < merky> no not all noon-sci ideas r equally legit
2008-01-16 19:04 < kim_bruning> RevolvingBugbear, http://www.icamsr.org/mtlp_chap9.html <-favorite example of a non-mainstream solid scientist... what to do?
2008-01-16 19:04 < merky> some r complete !%*!
2008-01-16 19:04 < Mephistopheles> that's my point too
2008-01-16 19:04 < RevolvingBugbear> on the other hand, for a really good idea of when we need to say "okay, science says please shut up for a few minutes and listen", check out [[Talk:BDORT]]
2008-01-16 19:04 < neurotope> so no one on the mime type problem?
2008-01-16 19:05 < merky> is there not a pseudoscience guideline plus thhere is an arbcom about this
2008-01-16 19:05 < RevolvingBugbear> merky: yes, I'm pretty sure there is
2008-01-16 19:05 < Mephistopheles> if there're good sources for even a very weird statement, there shouldn't be any problems with putting it up, right?
2008-01-16 19:05 < merky> there is an arb
2008-01-16 19:05 < RevolvingBugbear> mephistopheles: correct
2008-01-16 19:05 < Mephistopheles> and i think this stems from W:NPOV
2008-01-16 19:05 < RevolvingBugbear> I think I may have sounded more critical in my initial statement than I intended
2008-01-16 19:06 < RevolvingBugbear> I use a very loose definition of the word "scientific"
2008-01-16 19:06 < OverlordQ> neurotope: what?
2008-01-16 19:07 < neurotope> my install of mediawiki isnt recognizing .png mime type properly
2008-01-16 19:08 < OverlordQ> might try asking in the mediawiki channel
2008-01-16 19:08 < neurotope> i have the question there as well, but its kind of dead in there
2008-01-16 19:09 < OverlordQ> *shrug* nature of IRC, the waiting game
2008-01-16 19:09 < RevolvingBugbear> neurotype: well we're talking about whether things explode in here .... so unless you want to explode your .png images, we might not be the people to ask
2008-01-16 19:10 < neurotope> detonate or cumbust?
2008-01-16 19:10 < RevolvingBugbear> take your pick, I suppose
2008-01-16 19:10 < RevolvingBugbear> that's just my new proposed test for whether something is real
2008-01-16 19:10 < neurotope> are ideas real?
2008-01-16 19:10 < RevolvingBugbear> do they explode?
2008-01-16 19:11 < neurotope> people disagree on that
2008-01-16 19:11 < RevolvingBugbear> I think that if I said "every idea you have is a figment of your imagination", you'd have a hard time disagreeing with me
2008-01-16 19:12 < neurotope> some of them have nothing to do with imagination, some are realization or conclution, lots are patern matching
2008-01-16 19:12 < merky> you could just say some r based 4 instance on memory
2008-01-16 19:13 < merky> which can be proven cos they can see the part of the mind involved on a scan
2008-01-16 19:13 < RevolvingBugbear> I'm using a broad definition of imagination here, as in "conception"
2008-01-16 19:13 < neurotope> merky - i think that is a better assertion
2008-01-16 19:14 < merky> and it's not imagination if u r thinking of a table, cos u've seen one in real life, it's more a representation. it would be imagination if u imagined a wildly baroque table with mechanised maids integral to it
2008-01-16 19:14 < RevolvingBugbear> I would argue with that
2008-01-16 19:15 < RevolvingBugbear> I would say any table you think of after you stop looking at it is imagined
2008-01-16 19:15 < RevolvingBugbear> you are reconceiving it
2008-01-16 19:15 < merky> but if u did so in response 2 my suggestion, i have brainwashed u ruhaha
2008-01-16 19:15 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: done :)
2008-01-16 19:15 < RevolvingBugbear> in any case, as much as I'd like to continue talking about explosions and ideas (and possibly exploding ideas), I have to go
2008-01-16 19:16 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, you're kidding!
2008-01-16 19:16 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: no
2008-01-16 19:17 < AzaTht> why should I?
2008-01-16 19:17 < RevolvingBugbear> (also, kim_bruning, that article was quite interesting)
2008-01-16 19:17 < AzaTht> though perhaps they should have own categories (like cat:supplemental policy pages or similar)
2008-01-16 19:18 < RevolvingBugbear> 'night all
2008-01-16 19:19 < Luna-San> Replaced page with 'hack''d.. yo worm asses have been hack'd. yall should learn to have a password.. but deuces now... shiit..'
2008-01-16 19:19 < Luna-San> That edit deserves a prize
2008-01-16 19:20 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Supplement&curid=12852712&diff=184860300&oldid=171539404
2008-01-16 19:20 < Messedrocker> Luna-San, that kind of edit is actually very old
2008-01-16 19:20 < Luna-San> No, no, he's the first one to notice it. He can edit the pages!
2008-01-16 19:20 < Luna-San> It's a brand new idea. Somebody should get rich off it.
2008-01-16 19:21 < Messedrocker> sloooow riiiiide
2008-01-16 19:22 < Messedrocker> hello arnold
2008-01-16 19:22 < Messedrocker> hello steven
2008-01-16 19:22 < bumm13> hello messed
2008-01-16 19:23 < IceKarma> hey Luna, Messed, bumm
2008-01-16 19:23 < Luna-San> Lo~
2008-01-16 19:23 < bumm13> howdy IceKarmy
2008-01-16 19:23 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, where did the words "supplemental essay" come from?
2008-01-16 19:23 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, Oh, from you
2008-01-16 19:23 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: yes
2008-01-16 19:23 < bumm13> howdy mr. browning
2008-01-16 19:23 < AzaTht> bad word?
2008-01-16 19:23 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, could you change that to "this page is a supplement" ?
2008-01-16 19:23 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, bad word :-)
2008-01-16 19:24 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, also not quite sure why you say it is supplemental to something
2008-01-16 19:24 < AzaTht> :-P
2008-01-16 19:24 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, are you challenging the gods for your own mortification or what?
2008-01-16 19:24 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: no?
2008-01-16 19:24 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, Normally I'd just say "good luck and have fun!" , but like ... I'm collateral damage? ;-)
2008-01-16 19:24 < AzaTht> what gods?
2008-01-16 19:24 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, the gods of consensus
2008-01-16 19:24 < merky> aza y not just merge it in to that for which u think it is a supplement
2008-01-16 19:25 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, I did mention something about quantum superposition ;-)
2008-01-16 19:25 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, and fear
2008-01-16 19:25 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: fear?
2008-01-16 19:25 < merky> and stick a 'this is a proposed policy' or wotever template on it
2008-01-16 19:25 < merky> your section
2008-01-16 19:25 < AzaTht> merky: it's allready defined in the policy
2008-01-16 19:26 < kim_bruning> merky, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
2008-01-16 19:26 < merky> thou shouldst discuss it on that policy's talkpage then
2008-01-16 19:26 < kim_bruning> merky, NO NO NO NO NO
2008-01-16 19:26 < kim_bruning> NO!
2008-01-16 19:26 < merky> or u r making a pov-fork type thing
2008-01-16 19:26 < kim_bruning> did I mention NO?
2008-01-16 19:26 < kim_bruning> NJO!
2008-01-16 19:26 < kim_bruning> NO!
2008-01-16 19:26 < merky> y not lol
2008-01-16 19:26 < kim_bruning> more No
2008-01-16 19:26 < merky> is the talkpage dominated by some1
2008-01-16 19:26 < kim_bruning> it's a supplement
2008-01-16 19:26 < kim_bruning> merky, No
2008-01-16 19:26 < AzaTht> merky: I did think that the link of talk also should to to the policy page talk page
2008-01-16 19:26 < kim_bruning> it's a workaround so that we can actually document wikipedia practice
2008-01-16 19:27 < AzaTht> but never got to that :)
2008-01-16 19:27 < kim_bruning> since people are taking to WP:OWNership
2008-01-16 19:27 < Luna-San> Why not just change it to "This page is a suppository"?
2008-01-16 19:27 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, so will you change the wording? :-P
2008-01-16 19:27 < merky> oh it's all too technical for me lol y not update the real page?
2008-01-16 19:27 < kim_bruning> Luna-San, a suppository?
2008-01-16 19:27 < merky> lool
2008-01-16 19:27 < kim_bruning> merky, Have fun doing that, and I'll watch the fireworks from .... over here
2008-01-16 19:28 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: you could as well? or are you afraid of falling skies?
2008-01-16 19:28 < MessedRawker> kim broooooooniiiiing
2008-01-16 19:28 < merky> rofl i don't know enough about it- is there a backstory oof doom?
2008-01-16 19:28 < Luna-San> Which policy page is this we're talking about? o.o
2008-01-16 19:28 < kim_bruning> MessedRawker, YEEEEES?
2008-01-16 19:28 < kim_bruning> merky, Quite!
2008-01-16 19:28 < kim_bruning> Luna-San, none
2008-01-16 19:28 < merky> do tell
2008-01-16 19:28 < merky> !
2008-01-16 19:28 < AzaTht> Luna-San: WP:CON and WP:SILENCE
2008-01-16 19:28 < kim_bruning> merky, too much pain and suffering
2008-01-16 19:28 < merky> lol
2008-01-16 19:28 < merky> u would get PTSD from remembering it
2008-01-16 19:29 < Luna-San> Aha
2008-01-16 19:29 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: though I'm working on it, but my laptop is running vista, so it goes slow for me to work
2008-01-16 19:29 < kim_bruning> Oh dear
2008-01-16 19:29 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, anyway, the whole Supplement thing is a very delicate consensus
2008-01-16 19:29 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, so if you just stomp in, it's like, I'll have to start over somehow
2008-01-16 19:30 * kim_bruning keeps trying to stay one step ahead of people who want to shut down consensus entirely
2008-01-16 19:30 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: I see
2008-01-16 19:30 < kim_bruning> and I do that by keeping things a tad unbalanced
2008-01-16 19:30 < AzaTht> I'll do my own doom then :)
2008-01-16 19:30 < kim_bruning> and by making sure there's always space for people to write down stuff that should be written :-)
2008-01-16 19:31 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, as long as you don't take me along with you, have fun ;-)
2008-01-16 19:31 < kim_bruning> is there a big talk page for that page?
2008-01-16 19:31 < AzaTht> haha
2008-01-16 19:31 < AzaTht> what page?
2008-01-16 19:31 < kim_bruning> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Supplement
2008-01-16 19:31 < kim_bruning> there is
2008-01-16 19:31 < kim_bruning> people have been edit warring over . and ,
2008-01-16 19:31 * kim_bruning worries
2008-01-16 19:32 < kim_bruning> why are you doing this
2008-01-16 19:32 < kim_bruning> :-/
2008-01-16 19:32 < merky> azt what's yr username on wikii
2008-01-16 19:32 * kim_bruning pulls a tearful face
2008-01-16 19:33 < merky> azatht?
2008-01-16 19:33 < AzaTht> merky: yes?
2008-01-16 19:33 < merky> what is thine username on wikip?
2008-01-16 19:34 < merky> so i can read how much trouble u've been in lol
2008-01-16 19:34 < AzaTht> AzaToth
2008-01-16 19:34 < merky> good choice!
2008-01-16 19:34 < merky> I like Lerajie, the goetic demon
2008-01-16 19:40 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: there
2008-01-16 19:40 < AzaTht> and I'm not burning in hell yet :)
2008-01-16 19:41 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, not yet :-P
2008-01-16 19:42 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, oh, but if you mark stuff as policy in a supplement template
2008-01-16 19:42 < kim_bruning> you are SO going to get into trouble
2008-01-16 19:42 < kim_bruning> the point of the template is to prevent trouble
2008-01-16 19:42 < kim_bruning> not to make the fire go higher!
2008-01-16 19:43 < kim_bruning> and supplements are practically never made to guidelines or essays
2008-01-16 19:43 * kim_bruning sighs
2008-01-16 19:43 < kim_bruning> otoh the wording is not disasterous
2008-01-16 19:43 < kim_bruning> and I don't want to level harsh criticism
2008-01-16 19:44 < kim_bruning> but you did make my heart-rate go higher ^^;;
2008-01-16 19:46 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: I said that I though making supplementary categories
2008-01-16 19:48 < bstone> so what is this wikipedia thing?
2008-01-16 19:49 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, Hmmm!
2008-01-16 19:49 < Luna-San> The greatest MMO ever devised
2008-01-16 19:49 < kim_bruning> bstone, www.wikipedia.org
2008-01-16 19:50 < bstone> so microsoft ownes wikipedia. how much does it cost?
2008-01-16 19:50 < Luna-San> www is short for "world wide web"
2008-01-16 19:51 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: changed also so the working must reflect the policy/guideline
2008-01-16 19:51 < Luna-San> Roughly ten cents per edit. Bulk rate discounts are available.
2008-01-16 19:51 < AzaTht> wording*
2008-01-16 19:51 < AzaTht> "This page supplements an official policy on the English Wikipedia which has wide acceptance among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow. Please do not edit this page without first ensuring that your revision reflects the policy. When in doubt, discuss first on the talk page or the talk page of Wikipedia:Consensus."
2008-01-16 19:52 < bstone> oh good
2008-01-16 19:52 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: better?
2008-01-16 19:52 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, BNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2008-01-16 19:52 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, NONONONONONONONONONO]
2008-01-16 19:52 < AzaTht> uh?
2008-01-16 19:52 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, that's the OPPOSITE of what it should do
2008-01-16 19:53 < AzaTht> hmm
2008-01-16 19:53 < kim_bruning> No,
2008-01-16 19:53 < AzaTht> I'm not 100% I understand you
2008-01-16 19:53 < kim_bruning> we don't WANT to force people into the policy/guideline/essay system
2008-01-16 19:53 < kim_bruning> Supplement is a break-out
2008-01-16 19:53 < kim_bruning> or an out
2008-01-16 19:53 < kim_bruning> it gives people the ability to document stuff
2008-01-16 19:53 < kim_bruning> without getting stuck in a possibly FUBARed consensus system on a particular page
2008-01-16 19:54 < kim_bruning> by putting the template the way you are now, it instead causes [[meatball:ForestFire]]s
2008-01-16 19:55 < bumm13> hiya wmarsh
2008-01-16 19:55 < wmarsh> hello
2008-01-16 19:56 < AzaTht> "This page supplements an official policy on the English Wikipedia which has wide acceptance among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow. Please do not edit this page without first ensuring that your revision reflects consensus. When in doubt, discuss first on the talk page or the talk page of Wikipedia:Consensus."?
2008-01-16 19:57 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: I still think "which" is better than "this"
2008-01-16 19:57 < wmarsh> which translates to "Please add instruction creep based on some dispute you got into 15 minutes ago and hope nobody notices"
2008-01-16 19:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Nah. Alll policies should be edited boldly, not to mention cavalierly, as often as necessary.
2008-01-16 19:59 < Tony_Sidaway> In fact I'm considering procuring a flamboyant cavalier hat trimmed with velvet and lace, to wear when I'm editing policy pages.
2008-01-16 19:59 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: I though supplements was more to describe parts of policies/guidelines more deeply, and parhaps somewhat redundant
2008-01-16 19:59 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Supplement#remake
2008-01-16 19:59 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, that's what supplements also do
2008-01-16 19:59 < quanticle|away> Tony_Sidaway: Will your hat have a feather?
2008-01-16 19:59 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, but what you were doing before would set off every single wiki-nomic player
2008-01-16 19:59 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, :-/
2008-01-16 19:59 < AzaTht> uh?
2008-01-16 19:59 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle|away: three ostrich feathers, at least.
2008-01-16 20:00 < AzaTht> wiki-nomic player?
2008-01-16 20:01 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: Also, will it be purple? :)
2008-01-16 20:01 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, [[nomic]]
2008-01-16 20:01 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: if you don't use the type parameter, you''ll get mostly the original wording
2008-01-16 20:01 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, I don't want people to ever be able to use the type parameter
2008-01-16 20:01 < Tony_Sidaway> Maroon, with a tinge of purple in the nap.
2008-01-16 20:02 < quanticle> Heh, nice.
2008-01-16 20:02 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, I have a busy life, and I wouldn't have time to handle the fallout
2008-01-16 20:02 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: so a supplemnt shouldn't be anything in your eye?
2008-01-16 20:02 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, do you understand that people will use the template to editwar in your version?
2008-01-16 20:02 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, that would be good, yes :-)
2008-01-16 20:02 < MessedRawker> <Tony_Sidaway> In fact I'm considering procuring a flamboyant cavalier hat trimmed with velvet and lace, to wear when I'm editing policy pages. << because you're a WP:PIMP
2008-01-16 20:02 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: how would they be able to do that?
2008-01-16 20:03 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, they just do. Have you never seen people edit-warring about policy-guideline-essay templates?
2008-01-16 20:03 < Tony_Sidaway> Pimps are naff wannabes who should go and beg their mothers for forgiveness.
2008-01-16 20:04 < MessedRawker> they are wannabes of you?
2008-01-16 20:04 < quanticle> "After God created Adam, who was alone, He said, 'It is not good for man to be alone.' He then created a woman for Adam, from the earth, as He had created Adam himself, and called her Lilith. Adam and Lilith immediately began to fight. She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one.' Lilith responded, 'We are equal
2008-01-16 20:04 < quanticle> So that's what its all about. She wanted to be on top...
2008-01-16 20:05 < bumm13> cute....
2008-01-16 20:05 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: I'm AGFing you know :)
2008-01-16 20:05 < bumm13> (of course, that's apocrypha ;)
2008-01-16 20:05 < quanticle> bumm13: Also, I like the term "Ineffable Name"
2008-01-16 20:05 < quanticle> bumm13: Right. I know.
2008-01-16 20:06 < AzaTht> a supplement to a policy doesn't weights as a policy anyway, so I don't see any problem
2008-01-16 20:06 < gwern> http://ru.wikibooks.org/wiki/Обсуждение_участника:Ramir#.D0.95.D1.89.D1.91_.D0.BF.D0.BE_.D1.82.D0.B5.D0.BC.D0.B5_.D0.B0.D0.B4.D0.BC.D0.B8.D0.BD.D0.BE.D0.B2_.D0.92.D0.B8.D0.BA.D0.B8.D0.BF.D0.B5.D0.B4.D0.B8.D0.B8_.2F_More_on_Wikipedia_cruds <-- I find it amusing how Ramir suddenly can speak english
2008-01-16 20:06 < Tony_Sidaway> MessedRawker: they are wannabe's of men
2008-01-16 20:07 < Tony_Sidaway> "I don't feel masculine enough to I'll flash my misogyny around"
2008-01-16 20:07 < bogdan> I wonder why the sex entries on en.wiki are so awful? :/
2008-01-16 20:08 < quanticle> gwern: No speak Ingles? ;)
2008-01-16 20:08 < gwern> bogdan: too many prudes
2008-01-16 20:08 < Save-Me-Oprah> What speedy deletion template would I use for a non-free image with no free use rationale of a person that is used soley for the purpose of showing what a person looks like?
2008-01-16 20:08 < Save-Me-Oprah> fair use*
2008-01-16 20:08 < gwern> (maybe if I shout louder quanticle will understand me)
2008-01-16 20:08 < bogdan> gwern: that's why god invented sockpuppets! :P
2008-01-16 20:08 < gwern> quanticle: I FIND IT AMUSING HOW RAMIR IS NOW ABLE TO SPEAK ENGLISH
2008-01-16 20:08 < Tony_Sidaway> bogdan: because as conscientious wiki editors we're busy researching the subject and will submit our results in the fulness of time.
2008-01-16 20:08 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: also by using your original version, you state that silence isn't consensus
2008-01-16 20:08 < bogdan> Tony_Sidaway: that's original research!
2008-01-16 20:09 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, I don't?
2008-01-16 20:09 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, Argh
2008-01-16 20:09 < Save-Me-Oprah> anyone
2008-01-16 20:09 < Save-Me-Oprah> anyone at all
2008-01-16 20:09 < bogdan> Tony_Sidaway: a real wikipedian would not do that :P
2008-01-16 20:09 < kim_bruning> Save-Me-Oprah, just use PROD ?
2008-01-16 20:09 < Tony_Sidaway> bogdan: that's the second reason why they're so naff. We're not permitted to contribute the full breadth of our experience and must resort to copying from pornographic websites.
2008-01-16 20:09 < quanticle> gwern: :) I always find that tendency amusing...
2008-01-16 20:09 < Save-Me-Oprah> Ok
2008-01-16 20:10 < Save-Me-Oprah> isn't PROD only for articles?
2008-01-16 20:10 < quanticle> gwern: The funny thing is that tendency is not limited to Americans, or even English speakers...
2008-01-16 20:10 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: the problem with the "current" wording is that by writing a supplement, you point out that the described text acually isn't policy or guideline
2008-01-16 20:10 < bogdan> I once fell in love with a wikipedian from a smaller wikipedia. :/
2008-01-16 20:10 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, you do?
2008-01-16 20:10 < gwern> bogdan: did the two of you wind up commiting suicide?
2008-01-16 20:10 < Tony_Sidaway> kim_bruning: can you vouchsafe me that you are not the same person as kmccoy?
2008-01-16 20:11 < quanticle> bogdan: That sounds... unfortunate.
2008-01-16 20:11 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: uh?
2008-01-16 20:11 < gwern> the fault, dear User:Brutus, is not in our board members, but ourselves...
2008-01-16 20:11 < bogdan> quanticle: yeah, long story. :-(
2008-01-16 20:11 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, which is sort of fine anyway, because policy isn't policy anyway :-P
2008-01-16 20:11 < AzaTht> kim_bruning: and the risk of edit wars over supplements are nil
2008-01-16 20:11 < quanticle> bogdan: Interntube dramas and real-life dramas should never intersect.
2008-01-16 20:11 < kim_bruning> Tony_Sidaway, I am tempted to say that I shall never do that re any other person... but why do you ask first, before I say something so audacious?
2008-01-16 20:11 < bogdan> quanticle: ah, but I met her in real life!
2008-01-16 20:12 < AzaTht> if a supplement to a policy doesn't reflect the policy, it's not a supplement to the policy, but only an essay
2008-01-16 20:12 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, if you say so!
2008-01-16 20:12 < NotACow> gwern: except insofar as our board members have shaped who we are :)
2008-01-16 20:12 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, Ok, see, you're seriously arguing in a manner that I am trying to destroy
2008-01-16 20:12 < bogdan> quanticle: she was just 1000 km away.
2008-01-16 20:12 < quanticle> bogdan: Doesn't matter if you meet her online first, or in real life first, don't let the two planes intersect.
2008-01-16 20:12 < AzaTht> and a supplement cannot work as a policy
2008-01-16 20:12 < bogdan> quanticle: why?
2008-01-16 20:12 < gwern> touche, NotACow, touche
2008-01-16 20:12 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, I don't CARE if something is a policy, guideline, or essay, all three tags are equally disruptive from my pov
2008-01-16 20:12 < NotACow> policy, schmolicy.
2008-01-16 20:12 < quanticle> bogdan: 1000 km is not a small distance...
2008-01-16 20:13 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, that does not compute.
2008-01-16 20:13 < NotACow> kim_bruning: everything has to be categorized.
2008-01-16 20:13 < kim_bruning> AzaTht, wikipedia is run by [[Wikipedia:Consensus]]
2008-01-16 20:13 < Tony_Sidaway> kim_bruning: it just popped into my head. You know how some poet once declared that life was like a bird flying through darkness and then through a window into a warm, lit, busy room, then out again into a world of darkness?