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2008-01-16 00:13 < FrikkinLazer> Ha!
2008-01-16 00:13 < FrikkinLazer> :)
2008-01-16 00:14 * Ceiling_Cat turns up the volume
2008-01-16 00:14 < FrikkinLazer> Technically... it IS a robot. That doesn't mean you have to call it that of course.
2008-01-16 00:14 < Demi> IceKarma lives in the same general continental region as me
2008-01-16 00:14 * LOUD_CAT WAVES
2008-01-16 00:14 * bumm13 shoots lasers at FrikkinLazer
2008-01-16 00:14 * FrikkinLazer dodges the lasers magnificently
2008-01-16 00:15 * FrikkinLazer while looking cool at the same time
2008-01-16 00:15 < LOUD_CAT> bumm13 - (restating what I said yesterday) please refresh my memory -- are you in the greater philly area?
2008-01-16 00:15 < bumm13> no
2008-01-16 00:15 < Ceiling_Cat> ah, ok
2008-01-16 00:15 < bumm13> I'm not even east of the Mississippi River ;)
2008-01-16 00:15 < IceKarma> Demi, aw
2008-01-16 00:15 < Demi> i like cream cheese, though
2008-01-16 00:16 < FrikkinLazer> me too
2008-01-16 00:16 < FrikkinLazer> Slamon cream cheese... yum
2008-01-16 00:16 < FrikkinLazer> *salmon
2008-01-16 00:16 < Demi> i feel all cheese has something to offer me
2008-01-16 00:16 < Mark_Ryan> *all* sorts of cheese, Demi?
2008-01-16 00:16 < FrikkinLazer> I dont know about that.. I'm not a big fan of the baby nappy flavored cheese.
2008-01-16 00:17 < IceKarma> digwuren, anyway, I'm Canadian.
2008-01-16 00:17 < Demi> Mark_Ryan - certainly all the cheese i've actually encountered
2008-01-16 00:17 < IceKarma> digwuren, so metric, but that doesn't keep me from using "miles" in figurative senses.
2008-01-16 00:17 < Mark_Ryan> Demi: what about that cheese that's meant to have live maggots in it? would you try that?
2008-01-16 00:18 < LOUD_CAT> [[US-Soviet Incidents at Sea agreement]] <- WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO EXPANDIFY THIS ONE?
2008-01-16 00:18 < Demi> Mark_Ryan - i doubt it
2008-01-16 00:18 < Mark_Ryan> IceKarma: how's Canadia this time of year?
2008-01-16 00:18 < IceKarma> lol. and I can barely stand cheese.
2008-01-16 00:18 < Demi> Mark_Ryan - are you supposed to tap them out or eat them?
2008-01-16 00:18 < FrikkinLazer> "I will walk a thousand kilometers" just doesn't have the same ring to it
2008-01-16 00:18 < Mark_Ryan> Demi, you know, I have no idea.
2008-01-16 00:18 < Crimedog> for a Camel?
2008-01-16 00:19 < FrikkinLazer> Mark_Ryan : Might just as well eat them.
2008-01-16 00:19 < IceKarma> Mark_Ryan, uh, just fine, I suppose. been far too snowy so far this winter, though.
2008-01-16 00:19 < Mark_Ryan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggot_cheese
2008-01-16 00:19 < bumm13> hiya Mark_Ryan
2008-01-16 00:19 < Mark_Ryan> "Some people clear the larvae from the cheese before consuming; others do not."
2008-01-16 00:19 < Mark_Ryan> hullo, bumm13
2008-01-16 00:19 < Demi> [[Cheese fly]], nice
2008-01-16 00:20 < Mark_Ryan> IceKarma: isn't it always snowy in Canada in winter? or does it vary by the region?
2008-01-16 00:20 < Demi> "It's the most beautiful gift you can give a Sardinian shepherd."
2008-01-16 00:20 < IceKarma> Mark_Ryan, the BC Lower Mainland is much like your Pacific Northwest
2008-01-16 00:20 < bumm13> southwest British Columbia doesn't get tons of snow
2008-01-16 00:20 < bumm13> yeah
2008-01-16 00:21 < IceKarma> Mark_Ryan, just a few degrees cooler
2008-01-16 00:21 < Demi> "Risk of enteric myiasis: intestinal larval infection. Piophila casei larvae can pass through the stomach alive (human stomach acids do not usually kill them) and take up residency for some period of time in the intestines, where they can cause serious lesions as they attempt to bore through the intestinal walls. Symptoms include nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, and bloody diarrhea." <- no, Mark_Ryan, i won't be trying that cheese
2008-01-16 00:21 < FrikkinLazer> One of the side effects of 'maggot cheese' : Risk of enteric myiasis: intestinal larval infection. Piophila casei larvae can pass through the stomach alive (human stomach acids do not usually kill them) and take up residency for some period of time in the intestines, where they can cause serious lesions as they attempt to bore through the intestinal walls. Symptoms include nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, and bloody diarrhea.
2008-01-16 00:21 < bumm13> fun
2008-01-16 00:21 < FrikkinLazer> Okay that was wierd.
2008-01-16 00:21 < Mark_Ryan> IceKarma: Australia doesn't have a Pacific Northwest. though I guess you could stretch it to having an Indian Ocean Northwest :)
2008-01-16 00:22 < IceKarma> Mark_Ryan, er, whoops
2008-01-16 00:22 < FrikkinLazer> Hehe.
2008-01-16 00:22 < IceKarma> Mark_Ryan, well, my apologies for forgetting your nationality, I blame the flu.
2008-01-16 00:22 < FrikkinLazer> If it wasn't for South African internet latency, mine would be first!
2008-01-16 00:22 < Demi> so what's up with the olympics?
2008-01-16 00:22 < IceKarma> Demi, they finished the roof on the speed skating venue today
2008-01-16 00:22 < Mark_Ryan> IceKarma: it's okay, critics often dub Australia the 51st state of the US. :P
2008-01-16 00:23 < Demi> Mark_Ryan - canada is oftener
2008-01-16 00:23 < Mark_Ryan> then again I've heard that applied to several countries, so it must be a favourite insult the world round
2008-01-16 00:23 < FrikkinLazer> subtle
2008-01-16 00:23 < Crimedog> like Canada being "US LITE"
2008-01-16 00:23 < Demi> it's true; canada is more like the u.s. virgin islands or panama or something
2008-01-16 00:24 < ronabop> [[51st_State]]
2008-01-16 00:24 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - I started that article :)
2008-01-16 00:24 < Demi> ah, a cheese mite monument, excellent
2008-01-16 00:24 < Ceiling_Cat> actually, I started it as a joke, by redirecting it to Canada
2008-01-16 00:24 < Ceiling_Cat> then I wrote a real one ;)
2008-01-16 00:24 < Demi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milbenk%C3%A4se
2008-01-16 00:24 < ronabop> LOL
2008-01-16 00:25 < IceKarma> Ceiling_Cat, at least you redeemed yourself :P
2008-01-16 00:25 < Mark_Ryan> "The Party of Reconstruction in Sicily, which claimed 40,000 members in 1944, campaigned for Sicily to be admitted as a U.S. state." -- interesting
2008-01-16 00:25 < Crimedog> rename it to the 50th state, Texas thinks they're a whole nuther country
2008-01-16 00:25 < Mark_Ryan> I think one day California will go back to Mexico
2008-01-16 00:26 < ronabop> Nice, we have an article on "Jesusland" too.
2008-01-16 00:26 < bumm13> Mark_Ryan: lol!
2008-01-16 00:26 < bumm13> ronabop: ...
2008-01-16 00:26 * ronabop lives in the Unites States of Canada
2008-01-16 00:27 < bumm13> Ohio is hardly a "red state"
2008-01-16 00:27 < IceKarma> Mark_Ryan, more interesting is the unofficial dialogue between Canada and the Turks and Caicos Islands in re accession, I think.
2008-01-16 00:28 < Mark_Ryan> IceKarma: what's going on there?
2008-01-16 00:28 < Ceiling_Cat> someone, please, tell me that Republican attempts to paints themselves as the party of change ring hollow to you too
2008-01-16 00:28 < Ceiling_Cat> if i hear it again one more time, my head my asplode
2008-01-16 00:29 < bumm13> oh, they want change all right...
2008-01-16 00:29 < Ceiling_Cat> (I was reading [[What's the Matter with Kansas]] earlier but had to stop because it was making me too angry)
2008-01-16 00:29 < bumm13> just not the kind many of us want :P
2008-01-16 00:29 < Demi> well, Ceiling_Cat, they're the only ones who can protect us from that old establishment big government tax and spend mentality
2008-01-16 00:29 < Mark_Ryan> Ceiling_Cat: how can they be a party for change if they are the party currently in presidential power? doesn't that necessarily involve stating that the current president is doing things wrong/badly?
2008-01-16 00:29 < Demi> Ceiling_Cat - i had friends who did that, but you really should finish it, it's a good book
2008-01-16 00:30 < Aranda56> anyone from florida here?
2008-01-16 00:30 < Demi> it will tell you things you need to know
2008-01-16 00:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Mark_Ryan - like all republican platforms, it makes absolutely no sense if you analyze it logically
2008-01-16 00:30 < Aranda56> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Miami_2
2008-01-16 00:31 < Aranda56> please attend :'(
2008-01-16 00:31 < Ceiling_Cat> It's not meant to
2008-01-16 00:31 < bumm13> hahaha...."Leninade, The drink for the masses!"
2008-01-16 00:31 < Ceiling_Cat> Demi - I forget who said it, but in modern times, the democrats stand for big, fiscally solvent government, and republicans stand for even bigger, fiscally insolvent government
2008-01-16 00:32 < ronabop> Platforms are for attracting votes, not statements reflecting reality. ;)
2008-01-16 00:32 < Demi> well, Ceiling_Cat, that book will give you some insights into that, no one does reversed nonsensical positions like republicans, viz. conservatives adopting the politics of a besieged minority
2008-01-16 00:33 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't understand how their base doesn't see through smoke and mirrors that make up that party
2008-01-16 00:33 < Demi> the funny thing is, that will grow stronger as we spend more time with democrats in congress, and if the democratic candidate is anointed as some kind of front-runner
2008-01-16 00:33 * ronabop reflects on the plight of the poor, persecuted christians in the US.
2008-01-16 00:33 < Demi> yes, exactly
2008-01-16 00:34 < Demi> but see, the brilliant thing is, that once you have established that mythology, it can't actually be countered, because it wasn't based on reality to begin with
2008-01-16 00:34 < Ceiling_Cat> they've created this phantom boogieman of the liberal latte-drinking, volvo-driving elite, which the "poor rural average red state red neck church going" republican gets fired up and angry about
2008-01-16 00:34 < Ceiling_Cat> they vote republicans into office, who then dismantle the pro-working class progressive reforms of the last 100 years
2008-01-16 00:34 < ronabop> Don't forget the immigrants. "DEY TUWK AWR JOOOOBS!"
2008-01-16 00:35 < Ceiling_Cat> (Ron Paul being the finest example of this category)
2008-01-16 00:35 < Ceiling_Cat> (Albeit the nuttiest)
2008-01-16 00:35 < Demi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CanadiansForAnnexation2001.png <- this is really a lot higher than i would have thought
2008-01-16 00:35 < IceKarma> Mark_Ryan, it doesn't really go into a lot of detail, but http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/turksandcaicos/
2008-01-16 00:35 < Aranda56> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Miami_2
2008-01-16 00:35 * Ceiling_Cat supports annexing canada too
2008-01-16 00:35 < Demi> Ceiling_Cat - the nice thing is, that makes "the base" *more* aggrieved, and who can they blame? the liberal elite!
2008-01-16 00:36 < Demi> Ceiling_Cat - what for? syrup?
2008-01-16 00:36 < Ceiling_Cat> It's a vicious cycle of igorance
2008-01-16 00:36 < ronabop> ... and feminists, and gays, and immigrants and.....
2008-01-16 00:36 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't understand though, how do they keep someone from pointing out that the whole thing is a shell game?
2008-01-16 00:37 < Demi> yes, right, the reason why the midwest is suffering is not because of farm policy or rampant corporatization or anything but because butt pirates are getting married.
2008-01-16 00:37 < Ceiling_Cat> what is keeping the people in the midwest and south voting reliable republican? I don't understand...
2008-01-16 00:37 < Demi> Ceiling_Cat - well you *would* say that, wouldn't you? you probably don't even believe in god!
2008-01-16 00:37 < ronabop> Taxes.
2008-01-16 00:38 < bumm13> "I don't understand how their base doesn't see through smoke and mirrors" <--- consider much of the Republican-oriented electorate
2008-01-16 00:38 < Demi> the republicans, of course, love taxes as much or more as anyone else, they just like to distribute the welfare differently
2008-01-16 00:38 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - republicans cut taxes for rich people, and (on those rare occasions where they do try to close the massive deficit gap they've created) they do it by taxing the poor
2008-01-16 00:38 < Mark_Ryan> IceKarma: Looks like Canada wants their own Hawaii :)
2008-01-16 00:38 < bumm13> these are people often used to being told "how it is" by strong authority figures
2008-01-16 00:38 < Ceiling_Cat> Look at the flat tax, of the "fair" tax
2008-01-16 00:38 < bumm13> (such as in Protestant churches, etc.)
2008-01-16 00:38 < Ceiling_Cat> these are nothing more than transparent attempts to shift the tax burden from rich to poor people
2008-01-16 00:38 < Demi> couldn't canada annex cuba after castro dies? that would be awesome. canadians love cuba already.
2008-01-16 00:38 < IceKarma> Mark_Ryan, do you blame us? :P
2008-01-16 00:39 < bumm13> Ceiling_Cat: and these same people tend not to be poor (although many are working class)
2008-01-16 00:39 < Mark_Ryan> IceKarma: no. I'd get sick of permanent winter too :)
2008-01-16 00:39 < IceKarma> Mark_Ryan, large parts of _my_ country don't even qualify for "temperate", never mind "tropical" :P
2008-01-16 00:39 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - huh? "these" people?
2008-01-16 00:39 < bumm13> so the "well, I hate Mexicans/other minorities" thing then fuels itself
2008-01-16 00:39 < Demi> canada is just one featureless unremitting glacier
2008-01-16 00:40 < bumm13> Ceiling_Cat: the Republican-oriented electorate
2008-01-16 00:40 < bumm13> that is, those who aren't simply part of the rich class
2008-01-16 00:41 < bumm13> the Republican party also uses xenophobia to its advantage
2008-01-16 00:41 < ronabop> They *think* they're middle class, though. That's the funny/sad part.
2008-01-16 00:42 < bumm13> much of what used to be American populism has been hijacked by Republican conservative mythos
2008-01-16 00:42 < Demi> well, they'd be a lot better off if the democrats weren't taking their taxes to pay welfare moms, mexicans weren't taking their jobs, and so forth
2008-01-16 00:42 < ronabop> Fear in general. They're scared of terrorists, immigrants, taxes, athiests....
2008-01-16 00:43 < bumm13> oh sure
2008-01-16 00:43 < bumm13> Demi: heh
2008-01-16 00:43 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - they use all sorts of boogiemen to fire people up. Immigrants, gay marriage, the hollywood elite, etc
2008-01-16 00:43 < bumm13> the Republican-oriented slant loves wallowing in such rhetoric
2008-01-16 00:43 < Ceiling_Cat> the secular athiests who kicked god out of public schools, the ACLU, etc
2008-01-16 00:43 < bumm13> Ceiling_Cat: indeed
2008-01-16 00:43 < tenex> what a fucking cop-out, it's you who are living in fear... "here, let's make a shitload of excuses so we can bury our self-hating heads in the sand.. could someone give me a handjob while I'm down here?"
2008-01-16 00:44 < bumm13> ok then....
2008-01-16 00:44 < Ceiling_Cat> they use these things as a smokescreen to hide their true agenda - to turn america into a lassiaz-fair state run by corporations
2008-01-16 00:44 < bumm13> yes, they do
2008-01-16 00:44 < Ceiling_Cat> what I don't understand is how they keep the wheels from coming off - how they keep the south and midwest voting reliably republican
2008-01-16 00:44 * ronabop hands the cat a bundle of sticks and a blade....
2008-01-16 00:44 < bumm13> and will continue to do so because *it works*
2008-01-16 00:45 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - [[Fasces]]
2008-01-16 00:45 < Ceiling_Cat> ?
2008-01-16 00:45 < bumm13> such people want to believe what the Republican Party says
2008-01-16 00:45 < bumm13> that's all it takes
2008-01-16 00:45 < bumm13> if they didn't, it wouldn't work so well year in and year out
2008-01-16 00:45 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - that's the thing, I don't understand why it works....\
2008-01-16 00:45 < bumm13> it's not a rational thing
2008-01-16 00:45 < ronabop> Cat: bingo.
2008-01-16 00:46 < bumm13> large numbers of people seem drawn towards such authoritarian establishments
2008-01-16 00:46 < IceKarma> Mark_Ryan, but because adding a new province would require changing the constitution, it's far more likely that it would be appended to, say, Nova Scotia instead
2008-01-16 00:46 < bumm13> as long as they like the rhetoric that such establishments spew out
2008-01-16 00:46 < Demi> Ceiling_Cat - pundits, i'm pretty sure
2008-01-16 00:46 < Ceiling_Cat> For example, take Mike_H
2008-01-16 00:46 < Ceiling_Cat> he voted for Bush
2008-01-16 00:47 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't understand why....
2008-01-16 00:47 < Demi> pundits make the aggrieved conservative feel like he's part of the clever club, and it's actually the snobs who are the stupid ones
2008-01-16 00:47 < bumm13> Mike is a complex figure ;)
2008-01-16 00:47 < Ceiling_Cat> I mean, he's young AND he's gay. How much less republican can you get
2008-01-16 00:47 < Demi> any individual person has their own reasons, we're talking about generalities
2008-01-16 00:47 < ronabop> Log cabin?
2008-01-16 00:47 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - ha, no. Log cabin republicans are a myth, like santa
2008-01-16 00:47 < Demi> Ceiling_Cat - it's not like he can vote a pro-gay candidate, you know
2008-01-16 00:48 < Demi> nor is "gay" a political position, but now i'm putting words in his mouth
2008-01-16 00:48 < Ceiling_Cat> (the sad thing is, the log cabin would fall on their swords in a SECOND just to gain a cintilla of recognition from a party that wants absolutely nothing to do with them)
2008-01-16 00:48 < Demi> he more or less supported the war, AIUI, which is why he and a lot of people voted bush in in 2004
2008-01-16 00:48 < bumm13> "Nesbitt's Fruit Products Company was eventually sold to Clorox in 1972." <--- there's something quite odd about this fact
2008-01-16 00:49 < Ceiling_Cat> Demi - well there's one party that tolerates/accepts it, and one party that considers it an abomination
2008-01-16 00:49 < Ceiling_Cat> and he votes for the latter
2008-01-16 00:50 < Demi> another thing that's elaborated in WTMWK is the seeming oddness of the coalition
2008-01-16 00:51 < Ceiling_Cat> Whoa
2008-01-16 00:51 < Ceiling_Cat> YIKES
2008-01-16 00:51 < Demi> and how much they actually dislike each other
2008-01-16 00:51 < Ceiling_Cat> RED ALRET
2008-01-16 00:51 < Ceiling_Cat> MAIN PAGE UNPROTECTED
2008-01-16 00:51 < Demi> it's really only part of the republican coalition that thinks being gay is an abomination
2008-01-16 00:53 < ronabop> heartland: religion. South: hatred of the north, and anybody not white. West: fiscals.
2008-01-16 00:54 < ronabop> Dems have weird coalitions going too. ;)
2008-01-16 00:54 < JerseyDevil86> South are also religious
2008-01-16 00:54 < bumm13> the South also ties into religion, of course
2008-01-16 00:55 < bumm13> :)
2008-01-16 00:55 < The359> Fucking database lock
2008-01-16 00:55 < IceKarma> Demi, the rest of it doesn't seem to do much to rein in that part from doing things like, oh, passing constitutional amendments about teh gay
2008-01-16 00:55 < JerseyDevil86> The Reps also seem much more homogeneous then the dems...in reality not much of a "coalition".
2008-01-16 00:55 < bumm13> and anytime religio-political ideology is involved, it muddies the water considerably
2008-01-16 00:56 < FrikkinLazer> You mentioned earlier about people not being rational? When that happens, you can look, religion will always be involved.
2008-01-16 00:56 * ronabop looks at stalin
2008-01-16 00:57 < Demi> IceKarma - which constitutional amendment was that?
2008-01-16 00:57 < Demi> JerseyDevil86 - not at all
2008-01-16 00:58 < JerseyDevil86> yeah
2008-01-16 00:58 < ronabop> "Passionate and self assured about their ideology" covers it a tad better than religion, as God is not needed to be blinded to rationality.
2008-01-16 00:59 < IceKarma> Demi, erm. s/passing/trying to pass/
2008-01-16 01:01 < JerseyDevil86> There is no such "amendment" it is just something that is brought up each election season to get people out to vote on superficial issues.
2008-01-16 01:02 < ronabop> Abortion, "teh ghey", Guns, "War on Christmas"....
2008-01-16 01:04 < ronabop> Things that are real threats to everybody, of course.
2008-01-16 01:05 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-16 01:09 < bumm13> heh, this old (1954) orange soda pop can declares itself to be "dextrose enriched"
2008-01-16 01:10 < ronabop> Hey, it's not like new technology can ever be evil, right?
2008-01-16 01:11 < ronabop> Does it have an atomic symbol, too?
2008-01-16 01:11 < Ceiling_Cat> "There is no doubt in my mind when history was [sic] written, the final page will say: Victory was achieved by the United States of America for the good of the world" -- George Bush
2008-01-16 01:11 < FrikkinLazer> haha
2008-01-16 01:11 < FrikkinLazer> Anyway... I just read something very disturbing.
2008-01-16 01:12 < FrikkinLazer> Read this: http://www.rudeafaware.co.uk/blog/?p=40
2008-01-16 01:12 < Ceiling_Cat> FUCK
2008-01-16 01:12 < Ceiling_Cat> you know that database lock?
2008-01-16 01:12 * Ceiling_Cat knows what caused it
2008-01-16 01:12 < FrikkinLazer> This might sound OK in theory but in reality it is not so. This treatment will also include the removal of deaf genes, something which has both floored and worried me and other Deaf people. We can’t believe that the Government is proposing to do this; to eradicate deafness!
2008-01-16 01:12 < FrikkinLazer> wut?
2008-01-16 01:12 < Ceiling_Cat> [[user:Ike9898]] is possibly compromised; he deleted [[athiesm]] and then unprotected the main page
2008-01-16 01:12 < ronabop> Laser: Know any deaf folks?
2008-01-16 01:12 < ronabop> *Lazer
2008-01-16 01:13 < FrikkinLazer> not really
2008-01-16 01:13 < Viele-baeren> hi
2008-01-16 01:13 < FrikkinLazer> I owuld like to though
2008-01-16 01:13 < FrikkinLazer> why?
2008-01-16 01:13 < Ceiling_Cat> any ops in here?
2008-01-16 01:13 < Ceiling_Cat> erm
2008-01-16 01:13 < Ceiling_Cat> stewards?
2008-01-16 01:13 < Ceiling_Cat> I think it might be compromised
2008-01-16 01:13 < ronabop> Some consider hearing culture "broken", and prefer their own culture.
2008-01-16 01:14 < FrikkinLazer> Im sure they do. But still... theres something seriously worng with being AGAIST the eradication of deafness.
2008-01-16 01:14 < Tony_Sidaway> Ceiling_Cat: the stewards' channel itself is pretty quick for this kind of thing
2008-01-16 01:14 < ronabop> ....Only if you think there's something wrong with being deaf.
2008-01-16 01:15 < MooingLemur> the concept of deaf culture is very bizarre to me
2008-01-16 01:15 < FrikkinLazer> Of course theres something wrong bith being deaf. For one, you can't hear. Not rocket science.
2008-01-16 01:15 < MooingLemur> since there's no analogous blind culture to the same degree
2008-01-16 01:15 * ronabop notes the US eradicated the "wrong" languages and cultures of its own native peoples for a long time
2008-01-16 01:16 < FrikkinLazer> Good thing then that no is proposeing killind deaf people.
2008-01-16 01:16 < FrikkinLazer> That would be wrong.
2008-01-16 01:17 < FrikkinLazer> Are you seriously contending that deaf people are not at an disadvantage?
2008-01-16 01:17 < mdd4696> MooingLemur: One aspect which defines a culture is language. Blind people use English, but deaf people use sign language.
2008-01-16 01:17 < Demi> i don't understand this supposed bill, since it seems to be based on capabilities we don't have
2008-01-16 01:17 < MooingLemur> though I can understand some of the emergence of some of the properties of deaf culture.. things that seem rude to hearing people are normal in deaf culture.. such as ways of getting people's attention.
2008-01-16 01:17 < mdd4696> FrikkenLazer: Some deaf people will argue vehemently that they are not disadvantaged.
2008-01-16 01:18 < FrikkinLazer> They can feel free to do so. They will lose that argument.
2008-01-16 01:18 < Demi> FrikkinLazer - lots of people are at a disadvantage, proactively preventing parents from having babies falling into any of a number of "disadvantaged" categories--i dunno. i have to think about that one.
2008-01-16 01:18 < MooingLemur> mdd4696: you think the language shapes the culture more than the culture shaping the language?
2008-01-16 01:18 < Demi> short people are disadvantaged, too.
2008-01-16 01:18 < FrikkinLazer> Sure they are.
2008-01-16 01:19 < FrikkinLazer> Which makes this a demarcation problem.
2008-01-16 01:19 < Demi> so should the government prevent people from having short babies?
2008-01-16 01:19 < FrikkinLazer> Where do you draw the line then?
2008-01-16 01:19 < mdd4696> MooingLemur: I'm only saying that language is one factor which can shape a culture... it's certainly a large barrier between cultures.
2008-01-16 01:19 < FrikkinLazer> Interesting problem methinks.
2008-01-16 01:19 < ronabop> White people get skin cancer more often, maybe "prevent" them?
2008-01-16 01:19 < Demi> yes, i'm not sure there's a bright line to draw... so how about not mandating genetic control by the government?
2008-01-16 01:19 < MooingLemur> shouldn't be up to the state
2008-01-16 01:19 < MooingLemur> but it should be an option
2008-01-16 01:19 < Luna-San> Perhaps this is an excellent argument to avoid designer babies
2008-01-16 01:20 < ronabop> Avoid genetic testing entirely?
2008-01-16 01:20 < FrikkinLazer> Demi : I not saying that the Bill is a good thing. What I am saying is that I find it wierd that people see no problem with having deaf children, dispite the fact that they will be disadvantaged.
2008-01-16 01:20 * FastLizard4 has to go to bed now, but should be on tomorrow night. Good night!
2008-01-16 01:20 < Demi> FrikkinLazer - if i'm black it's not like i somehow want a nice white baby instead
2008-01-16 01:21 < ronabop> Lazer: They're not, according to some. What does this IRC sound like to you?
2008-01-16 01:21 < MooingLemur> it should be left up to the parents to decide whether to proceed
2008-01-16 01:21 < FrikkinLazer> Are you sayng that skin color is important? Hope not.
2008-01-16 01:21 < Demi> FrikkinLazer - i'm saying it can be an advantage or disadvantage
2008-01-16 01:21 < FrikkinLazer> I agree.
2008-01-16 01:21 < FrikkinLazer> The skin cancer thing.
2008-01-16 01:22 < bumm13> it's a very touchy thing, of course
2008-01-16 01:22 < FrikkinLazer> Onviously you can never solve ALL health problems tied to genetics.
2008-01-16 01:22 < ronabop> Or both. Sickle-Cell disease comes from immunity to malaria (to simplify a bit).
2008-01-16 01:22 < ronabop> So, remove immunity to malaria, or keep sickle cell anemia?
2008-01-16 01:23 < FrikkinLazer> But I am speaking about deafness in particular here. Why would you choose to have a deaf child, if you can have a child that can hear?
2008-01-16 01:23 < ronabop> If you can't hear, and your wife can't hear.....
2008-01-16 01:23 < ronabop> What's the point?
2008-01-16 01:23 < Demi> FrikkinLazer - is it about having "a deaf child" or having a natural child?
2008-01-16 01:23 * bumm13 NP: Shadows of Knight - Potato Chip (1966) [ad jingle]
2008-01-16 01:24 < Demi> and, yes, i understand this bill or whatever addresses fertility treatments, so one is already not quite letting nature take its course
2008-01-16 01:24 < FrikkinLazer> Demi : You can simplify it that eay yes.
2008-01-16 01:24 < bumm13> ronabop: just as a statistical point, most deaf children don't have 2 deaf parents
2008-01-16 01:24 < Tony_Sidaway> Hm, to put it in terms I can understand, since I'm colorblind, why would I choose a colorblind mate, and want all my children to be colorblind?
2008-01-16 01:24 < SinSeer> don't worry, sooner or later a loud car will come down the street, the deaf will get eliminated, the ones who can hear will calmly step outta the way... problem solved... give it a few million years
2008-01-16 01:24 < bumm13> SinSeer: lol :p
2008-01-16 01:25 < Demi> i don't think there's a colorblind culture to the extent that there is a deaf culture
2008-01-16 01:25 < FrikkinLazer> Tony : Not exactly. If you can choose between 1) Having a colorblind child. 2) NOT having a colorblind child... which one would you choose?
2008-01-16 01:25 < ronabop> Tony: You cannot choose a colorblind mate to have children with, sorry, not possible with current science.
2008-01-16 01:25 < Demi> FrikkinLazer - since it's not an important distinction, how about the one that doesn't involve prospective abortions or genetic surgery?
2008-01-16 01:25 < Tony_Sidaway> FrikkinLazer: obviously I took the chance twice and was lucky both times.
2008-01-16 01:26 < FrikkinLazer> Tony : Congratulation! :))
2008-01-16 01:26 < Tony_Sidaway> ronabop: there are coloblind women, though the condition is rarer because it's linked to the X chromosome.
2008-01-16 01:26 < Demi> i think part of the problem is the odor of an eugenics-style agenda
2008-01-16 01:26 < FrikkinLazer> Demi : I agree 100%.
2008-01-16 01:27 < Demi> FrikkinLazer - a more effective way to ask the question might be, if you have a child, and he or she is deaf, and you had access to a risk-free, perfectly effective cure, must you take it?
2008-01-16 01:27 < Tony_Sidaway> My eugenicist has no nose.
2008-01-16 01:27 < FrikkinLazer> But read the blog entry: http://www.rudeafaware.co.uk/blog/?p=40. Ignore eugenics issue for the moment. I am talking about the attitude of this person.
2008-01-16 01:27 < Demi> FrikkinLazer - yes, i imagine it's tough to understand if you're not deaf
2008-01-16 01:27 < ronabop> WRT Deaf culture, here in Oregon, they had a near revolt at the mere *idea* that the school administrator was going to be "one of them", a hearing person.
2008-01-16 01:28 < FrikkinLazer> Demi : If someone FORCES you to take it, its wrong. ]
2008-01-16 01:28 < Demi> ronabop - for a deaf school?
2008-01-16 01:28 < FrikkinLazer> Demi : If you have the coice however, and you DON'T take it... is'nt that wrong too?
2008-01-16 01:28 < ronabop> Demi: Yup.
2008-01-16 01:28 < Demi> FrikkinLazer - is it really? always? how about those christian scientist wackos who don't take their kids to the doctor if they're sick?
2008-01-16 01:28 < Demi> that's arguably child abuse, isn't it?
2008-01-16 01:29 < FrikkinLazer> Demi : Once you allow religion to enter the arena, ANYTHING GOES.
2008-01-16 01:29 < ronabop> Cure for what some see as a disease, and others don't....
2008-01-16 01:29 < Tony_Sidaway> You get that kind of bloody mindedness in any group. There are social forces to maintain group coherence, and the sense of common identity is strongest.
2008-01-16 01:29 * ronabop gets FrikkenLazer a cure for not beliving in God
2008-01-16 01:29 < FrikkinLazer> I beleive in God.
2008-01-16 01:30 < ronabop> Well, then, maybe we should cure you for not believing that G. W. Bush is God.
2008-01-16 01:30 < Demi> FrikkinLazer - what i'm saying is that there is some competence in government for compelling parents to take care of their children, that might mean "forcing" the child to undergo treatment, right?
2008-01-16 01:30 < FrikkinLazer> Such a cure exists. It's called 'massive brain damage'.
2008-01-16 01:31 < FrikkinLazer> Demi : Oh yes, I agree.
2008-01-16 01:31 < FrikkinLazer> Demi : Interesting problem we have here.
2008-01-16 01:31 < Demi> yes, i think so
2008-01-16 01:32 < Demi> i don't have any one answer, myself; but, at least on the treatment front, there is no such cure, and i didn't think you could really edit out genes in the way that seems to be implied in the way the blogger describes the bill
2008-01-16 01:32 < FrikkinLazer> Actually, with the right technology you can. Not sure if we have this technology yet though.
2008-01-16 01:33 < Ceiling_Cat> lol
2008-01-16 01:33 < Ceiling_Cat> "and my secret bombing of cambodia friend"
2008-01-16 01:33 < Ceiling_Cat> --Stephen Colbert
2008-01-16 01:33 < FrikkinLazer> Either way, my personal opinion is that someone who KNOWS thier child will be deaf, and has an choice to make it otherwise, and DOES NOT TAKE THAT CHOICE... is wrong. (My opnion.)
2008-01-16 01:34 < Demi> do you think people are wrong for having down's syndrome babies?
2008-01-16 01:34 < Tony_Sidaway> One of the most interesting groups I ever belonged to was a bunch of skeptics who held monthly meetings in London. There wasn't much of a group identity at all, very little sense of belonging. We didn't even have a common belief in agreed principles of investigation such as the scientific method--such shibboleths have their skeptics, too.
2008-01-16 01:34 < FrikkinLazer> Assuming they have a choice to make it otherwise? Yes.
2008-01-16 01:35 < ronabop> How about genetic screening for Asperger's?
2008-01-16 01:35 < FrikkinLazer> Is that a disability?
2008-01-16 01:36 < ronabop> Some say yes, some say no.
2008-01-16 01:36 < Tony_Sidaway> The speakers were interesting enough to keep me going for a while, but one always felt wary of showing too much enthusiasm. As if we should all have been off at the Royal Institution instead (which some of us did drift off to in the end)
2008-01-16 01:37 < ronabop> (We have tons of aspies on WP, by the way...)
2008-01-16 01:37 < Demi> ronabop - or tourette's, same thing, maybe more so
2008-01-16 01:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Aspergers is a very definite disability, I can assure you. My daugher is an aspie and my wife and I have the bruises to prove it.
2008-01-16 01:37 < FrikkinLazer> Well, since I don't see it as a disability, I don't think screening for that would be ethical.
2008-01-16 01:37 < FrikkinLazer> Really?
2008-01-16 01:37 < FrikkinLazer> Okay.
2008-01-16 01:37 < Demi> a disability for what?
2008-01-16 01:38 < Demi> people don't have purposes, you know, at least not one which i want the government defining
2008-01-16 01:38 < Demi> i would have a great problem with a government requiring you to abort down's fetuses
2008-01-16 01:38 < FrikkinLazer> Demi : Anyway.. has been interesting. Gotta go now!
2008-01-16 01:38 < Demi> bye
2008-01-16 01:39 < FrikkinLazer> Demi : Abortion is another ball game.
2008-01-16 01:39 < Tony_Sidaway> She wanted me to fix her MP3 player today but found my diagnostic questions upsetting and disquieting. She attacked me and my wife, smashed an electric razor and a window, threatened to break two computers, and literally turned all the furniture in one bedroom upside down.
2008-01-16 01:39 < ronabop> Age?
2008-01-16 01:39 < FrikkinLazer> Tony : How do you know it;s because of aspergers?
2008-01-16 01:40 < Tony_Sidaway> FrikkinLazer: classic symptom--inability to cope with novel and strange events.
2008-01-16 01:40 < ronabop> 10-16 is rough....
2008-01-16 01:40 < Tony_Sidaway> She's an adult.
2008-01-16 01:40 < FrikkinLazer> Tony : Isn't that closer to autism?
2008-01-16 01:40 < ronabop> ASD has a wide range.
2008-01-16 01:40 < Tony_Sidaway> No, she's got very, very high language functions. She writes better English than I do.
2008-01-16 01:40 < FrikkinLazer> Okay.
2008-01-16 01:41 < FrikkinLazer> Tony : If you had a choice to screen for aspergers, would you have taken that choice?
2008-01-16 01:41 < FrikkinLazer> Tony : (Not out of selfishness, or to make YOUR life easier, but to make HER life easier?)
2008-01-16 01:41 < Tony_Sidaway> Not if there wasn't a cure. It's a disability, but not so severe as to render life unliveable.
2008-01-16 01:42 < Tony_Sidaway> If there was a cure, I would urge her to take it.
2008-01-16 01:42 < FrikkinLazer> And screening before pregnancy?
2008-01-16 01:42 < FrikkinLazer> (Screning the sperm and the eggcell?)
2008-01-16 01:43 < Tony_Sidaway> Not without a cure. It's not that severe.
2008-01-16 01:43 < FrikkinLazer> Okay.
2008-01-16 01:43 < FrikkinLazer> Anyway.. I REALLY have to go now... cheers.
2008-01-16 01:44 < Tony_Sidaway> A few bruises and a bit of broken furniture is worth it. She's lovely.
2008-01-16 01:45 < Demi> the thing is, you reach into this strange philosophical area that's hard to conceive. i have a close friend with a down's child and no way could i, or they, conceive of never having had her, or having had a different child instead.
2008-01-16 01:45 < Demi> i can't even really conceptualize it
2008-01-16 01:45 < Demi> i'm pretty sure it's something i don't want someone else conceptualizing for me
2008-01-16 01:47 < bumm13> indeed
2008-01-16 01:48 * bumm13 tries to figure out who owns the rights to the obscure SunCrest soda pop brand
2008-01-16 01:52 < LuciferTiger> what are we talking about?
2008-01-16 01:54 < The359> bitches and hoes
2008-01-16 01:55 * bumm13 sits on The359
2008-01-16 01:55 < The359> your bumm is too big for that
2008-01-16 02:00 < Viele-baeren> @admin I need the restoration source text of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:St_Margaret.jpg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dust.jpg
2008-01-16 02:43 * brown_cat sits on The359
2008-01-16 02:44 * The359 is not a park bench
2008-01-16 02:45 < bumm13> so there's no person sitting on you eyeing little girls with bad intent?
2008-01-16 02:46 < The359> Just old women feeding the ducks
2008-01-16 02:46 < cormani> bag ladies?
2008-01-16 02:46 < bumm13> (yes, that was a Jethro Tull reference :P )
2008-01-16 02:47 < LawrenceWCohen> can we please get admin eyes on a BLP disaster in the happening at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Courtesy_blanking_request
2008-01-16 02:55 < cormani> night
2008-01-16 03:04 < datura> bye
2008-01-16 03:21 * brown_cat stares at The359
2008-01-16 03:40 < brown_cat> The359: got milk?
2008-01-16 03:42 < The359> no
2008-01-16 03:43 < brown_cat> The359: can you give me some milk?
2008-01-16 03:43 < The359> not if I don't have any milk
2008-01-16 03:43 * lc2 puts a saucer of milk down for brown_cat
2008-01-16 03:43 < brown_cat> yay!
2008-01-16 03:43 * brown_cat drinks lc2's milk
2008-01-16 03:44 < brown_cat> creamy ^_^
2008-01-16 03:44 * brown_cat cuddles lc2
2008-01-16 03:44 < lc2> ;D
2008-01-16 03:44 < jimduff> is there anyone i can alert if i know that a moderator's account has been given away to someone who intends to vandalize?
2008-01-16 03:44 < brown_cat> yep
2008-01-16 03:44 < brown_cat> which user?
2008-01-16 03:45 < The359> Given away? Or stolen?
2008-01-16 03:45 < jimduff> http://img.waffleimages.com/5be1badb4db4ed6e903aaeda9a6d3f56dfa5b589/bread%20climp.PNG
2008-01-16 03:45 < jimduff> given away.
2008-01-16 03:45 < lc2> oh shi-
2008-01-16 03:46 < jimduff> the user on this forum is named "psycho pie" and has given their admin account to a user named "moonshine"
2008-01-16 03:46 < brown_cat> jimduff: by forum you mean, wikipedia?
2008-01-16 03:46 < jimduff> by forum i mean somethingawful.
2008-01-16 03:47 < The359> and why would psycho pie do this?
2008-01-16 03:47 < DannyLilithborne> because he's from somethingawful
2008-01-16 03:47 < jimduff> not sure. taking more screenshots. one second.
2008-01-16 03:47 < jimduff> hes doing it to fit in and be accepted by this forum.
2008-01-16 03:48 < The359> Those screenshots are by an admin named Ike9898
2008-01-16 03:48 < The359> I assume that user is Psycho Pie?
2008-01-16 03:48 < The359> former admin, make that
2008-01-16 03:49 < The359> The account has already had its Admin status taken away and was temporarily banned
2008-01-16 03:49 < The359> Because of unprotecting the Main Page and deleting [[Atheism]]
2008-01-16 03:49 < jimduff> http://g.photos.cx/untitled-a69.PNG
2008-01-16 03:49 < jimduff> yes, they told him to do that and e complied.
2008-01-16 03:50 < The359> well it's already been dealt with
2008-01-16 03:50 < jimduff> ok :)
2008-01-16 03:51 < The359> I'll link the SA thread on Ike9898's talk page
2008-01-16 03:51 < The359> unless it's already been brought up somewhere else
2008-01-16 03:52 < jimduff> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2743122
2008-01-16 03:52 < The359> already got it
2008-01-16 03:53 < jimduff> gotcha.
2008-01-16 03:55 < DannyLilithborne> goddamn
2008-01-16 03:55 < DannyLilithborne> flash tub is so full of fail now D:
2008-01-16 03:57 < lc2> ;x
2008-01-16 04:08 < DannyLilithborne> how long can an {{underconstruction}} tag be on an empty article before it can be speedied?
2008-01-16 04:09 < The359> I'd give it 24 hours
2008-01-16 04:09 < DannyLilithborne> ok
2008-01-16 04:09 < The359> altough the template says "Please don't tag with a deletion tag unless the page hasn't been edited in several days."
2008-01-16 04:09 < The359> But if the page is blank, then I'd still say 24 hours
2008-01-16 04:10 < The359> What is the article?
2008-01-16 04:10 < DannyLilithborne> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Wollinsky_Colleigate
2008-01-16 04:10 < The359> That's not even spelled right
2008-01-16 04:12 < DannyLilithborne> ^.^
2008-01-16 04:15 < The359> From one of the links, it's a Jewish High School that was closed and merged with another highschool and became this Gray Academy of Jewish Education
2008-01-16 04:16 < DannyLilithborne> i just caught it on my sporadic newpages patrol
2008-01-16 04:16 < DannyLilithborne> watchlisted it
2008-01-16 04:16 < DannyLilithborne> didn't put a speedy tag til it had gone for a few hours without any update
2008-01-16 04:17 < The359> Someone already removed the speedy tag
2008-01-16 04:18 < DannyLilithborne> nods
2008-01-16 04:25 * brown_cat shuffles towards DannyLilithborne
2008-01-16 04:26 < DannyLilithborne> :/ ?
2008-01-16 04:41 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> heya all
2008-01-16 04:41 < ta_bu_shi_da_yu> is there a signpost rss feed still?
2008-01-16 04:44 < Evil_Monkey> A very unfortunate captcha (contains a word that isn't said in polite conversation) - http://stuartparker.wordpress.com/2008/01/15/but-how-did-they-know/
2008-01-16 05:24 < Lubaf> I'm a creep. I'm a weirdo.
2008-01-16 05:32 < Drunken_Idiot> Whats a hidden economy is it black market?
2008-01-16 05:34 < Lubaf> Drunken_Idiot: That, and the grey market.
2008-01-16 05:34 < Drunken_Idiot> Lubaf: Thanks.
2008-01-16 05:35 < Drunken_Idiot> Lubaf: The % of that isn't always available right?
2008-01-16 05:35 < Lubaf> Drunken_Idiot: More or less.
2008-01-16 05:49 < Studying]> Lubaf: Heard of SCHNEIDER Dr. Friedrich ?
2008-01-16 05:49 < Lubaf> Studying]: Why?
2008-01-16 05:50 < Studying]> Lubaf: I need his Hidden Economy figures badly googling it.
2008-01-16 05:53 < Hildanknight> !admin Consider semi-protecting [[User talk:80.24.151.153]]. Blocked anonymous vandal is abusing the {{unblock}} template and making personal attacks on his talk page.
2008-01-16 05:53 < Luna-San> He stopped an hour ago, though. >.>
2008-01-16 05:53 < Luna-San> Granted I kinda doubt he'll do anything productive when he comes back, but you never know.
2008-01-16 05:54 * Hildanknight waves to Luna
2008-01-16 05:54 < Luna-San> Howdy. :)
2008-01-16 05:54 < Hildanknight> That anonymous vandal should receive a non-merciful (?) death.
2008-01-16 05:55 * Triona continues to fire off her standard prod reason at random unsourced articles. The article does not assert the [[WP:N|notability]] of it's subject through [[WP:RS|reliable sources]].
2008-01-16 05:56 * Lycurgus is just a wierdo and didn't even know the group behind "creep" was RadioHead till this last week.
2008-01-16 05:58 < Studying]> Lubaf: you there?
2008-01-16 05:59 < SNORLAX> Triona, I'm tempted to remove the tags with reason "learn to spell 'its' before trying to delete articles"
2008-01-16 05:59 < Hildanknight> SNORLAX - haha!
2008-01-16 06:00 < Luna-San> Hildanknight: Harsh. :
2008-01-16 06:00 < Luna-San> *:o
2008-01-16 06:06 < Hildanknight> Luna-San: What do you propose for the admin who deleted [[163.com]] (one of th) for alleged non-notability?
2008-01-16 06:07 < Luna-San> Hmm. Well. The version deleted didn't really give much in the way of context or anything.
2008-01-16 06:07 < Hildanknight> *one of the largest web portals in mainland China?
2008-01-16 06:07 < Luna-San> '''foo''' is a site run by NetEase. NetEase is like, big.
2008-01-16 06:08 < Luna-San> Or more accurately: '''163.com''' is a site run by [[NetEase]], one of the largest ISPs in the [[People's Republic of China]].
2008-01-16 06:08 < Luna-San> Aside from an image, link, and category, that was it. I gather there's more that needs to be said?
2008-01-16 06:08 < Luna-San> Dunno if that's a proper A7, but it's probably easy enough to start over, if you know what to write.
2008-01-16 06:09 < Hildanknight> Like most web portals, it provides webmail services.
2008-01-16 06:09 < Hildanknight> Have you never seen an e-mail address ending in @163.com?
2008-01-16 06:09 < Luna-San> Mmm... maybe? Can't recall any specifically.
2008-01-16 06:10 < bumm13> Hildanknight: notability is irrelevant if there was no real article text to begin with
2008-01-16 06:10 < Hildanknight> Luna-San: check its Alexa ranking.
2008-01-16 06:10 < bumm13> the subject clearly is notable
2008-01-16 06:10 < Hildanknight> bumm13 - improve, don't remove. That's my philosophy.
2008-01-16 06:11 < Hildanknight> 163.com is currently ranked 74th worldwide and 7th in China.
2008-01-16 06:11 < bumm13> your philosophy doesn't help people who see articles with no context (CSD A1) and aren't familiar with PRC institutions
2008-01-16 06:12 < bumm13> communication can solve problems such as these
2008-01-16 06:12 < Hildanknight> I agree that communication can solve such problems. :)
2008-01-16 06:14 < Hildanknight> Look at [[Xiao Wu]] for an example of how communication can solve such problems. The article is about an award-winning Chinese movie.
2008-01-16 06:14 < Hildanknight> When the article was first created, it was at a Chinese title and looked like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xiao_Wu&oldid=152200103
2008-01-16 06:17 < Hildanknight> It was tagged with {{db-nonsense}}. Fortunately, it was not deleted. Knowing that I am a Singaporean Chinese, an admin contacted me on IRC and asked me to translate the article. I did.
2008-01-16 06:18 < Hildanknight> Since then, the article has been significantly expanded! Look what it is now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiao_Wu
2008-01-16 06:20 * Hildanknight pokes bumm13 and Luna-San
2008-01-16 06:57 * TheWeasel_ keeps watching Melbourne
2008-01-16 06:57 < TheWeasel_> I love those night games
2008-01-16 06:58 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-16 06:58 < Thx_> bow
2008-01-16 07:10 < Viele-baeren> hi
2008-01-16 07:41 < Zach> does Ned Scott ever come in here?
2008-01-16 07:41 < Mike_H> yeah
2008-01-16 07:41 < Mike42> yes, his nick is NedScott
2008-01-16 07:43 < yannf> hello
2008-01-16 07:43 < yannf> "Al Gore won the 2000 election but was overthrown in a Republican coup d'etat before taking office." ??
2008-01-16 07:43 < yannf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_2008
2008-01-16 07:44 < Warpath> lies
2008-01-16 07:44 < Warpath> delete :)
2008-01-16 07:44 < yannf> i doesn't really surprise me, but...
2008-01-16 07:44 < RobJ1981> hi
2008-01-16 07:46 < Warpath> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_presidential_election%2C_2008&diff=184717320&oldid=184709010
2008-01-16 07:46 < Warpath> heh some1 fixed it :P
2008-01-16 07:51 < RobJ1981> Is it just me, or is the watch list on Wikipedia being stupid?
2008-01-16 07:51 < RobJ1981> When I click "view and edit watchlist" it just gives me a blank screen. I hit refresh: it doesn't fix it.
2008-01-16 08:00 < RobJ1981> Anti-social people.
2008-01-16 08:05 < eth01> ....
2008-01-16 08:08 < digwuren> Warpath: The presidential election's results are out already?
2008-01-16 08:08 < digwuren> Diebold's counting really *is* amazing!
2008-01-16 08:09 < Warpath> yeah I won \o/
2008-01-16 08:11 < Lycurgus> typical concept breakdown: coup d'etat would be correct except that the English usage explicitly excludes assumptions of power performed within existing power structures
2008-01-16 08:12 < Lycurgus> the inverse of deja vu, jemais vu, semantic fatigue
2008-01-16 08:12 < Lycurgus> je suis fatigue
2008-01-16 08:30 < Mike_H> http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v67/18/98/5000319/n5000319_33259170_3396.jpg
2008-01-16 08:30 < Mike_H> this is me being posh
2008-01-16 08:33 < Lycurgus> *Jamais
2008-01-16 08:35 < Tony_Sidaway> What kind of lunatic chooses a color combination of black on navy for a status bar?
2008-01-16 08:36 < Lycurgus> one who chose without choosing?
2008-01-16 08:37 < Lycurgus> in the way the ignorant do when they make a choice by choosing to ignore it
2008-01-16 08:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Lycurgus: oh my sister was a Rush fan.
2008-01-16 08:38 < Tony_Sidaway> *Was*, I say, because that was 30 years ago. She's more into REM these days.
2008-01-16 08:39 < Lycurgus> I am way distracted by the white poodle in Beijing that walks upright.
2008-01-16 08:39 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh the search database has finally updated itself.
2008-01-16 08:41 < Lycurgus> I suppose it could be anywhere in Guangdong actually since it's Guangdong tv
2008-01-16 08:47 < Lycurgus> Rush/REM seem roughly contemporary with less than a decade offset from the 1st to the 2nd
2008-01-16 08:48 < Lycurgus> and neither heutzutagige
2008-01-16 08:53 < Tony_Sidaway> I wouldn't know. "Contemporary" for me means anything after The Eagles.
2008-01-16 08:53 < Mike_H> Tony_Sidaway: For my mom it's anything after Diana Ross and the Supremes
2008-01-16 08:54 * Mike_H NP: The Sylvers - Hot Line (1976)
2008-01-16 08:54 < Mike_H> fun fact: The Sylvers, a family band from Memphis, were called "The Southern Jacksons."
2008-01-16 08:59 * Mike_H NP: Cornelius Brothers and Sister Rose - It's Too Late to Turn Back Now (1972)
2008-01-16 08:59 < Mike_H> Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose was a family soul singing group from Dania Beach, Florida that attained brief popularity in the early 1970s. The original members were the siblings Carter Cornelius, Eddie Cornelius, and Rose Cornelius.
2008-01-16 08:59 < Mike_H> Tony_Sidaway: have you heard this song?
2008-01-16 08:59 < Mike_H> you should if you haven't, I love it
2008-01-16 09:02 * Mike_H NP: Jay and the Americans - Cara Mia (1965)
2008-01-16 09:02 * Mike_H pets Lycurgus
2008-01-16 09:08 < Lycurgus> yeah I remember, the melody repetetively asserts "i believe" 3X "i'm falling in love"
2008-01-16 09:08 < Lycurgus> said reiteration backing up the inability the turn around
2008-01-16 09:08 < Lycurgus> now
2008-01-16 09:09 < Lycurgus> s/the/to/
2008-01-16 09:09 < Mike_H> correct
2008-01-16 09:09 < Mike_H> I believe
2008-01-16 09:10 < Mike_H> I believe
2008-01-16 09:10 < Mike_H> I believe
2008-01-16 09:10 < Mike_H> I'm fallin' in-a love
2008-01-16 09:11 < Lycurgus> I, personally, can turn on a dime.
2008-01-16 09:12 < Warpath> wit my neighbours wife :P
2008-01-16 09:13 * Mike_H looks for a '60s song to play next
2008-01-16 09:14 * Mike_H NP: The Mamas and the Papas - Twelve-Thirty (Young Girls are Coming to the Canyon) (1967)
2008-01-16 09:15 < Mark_Ryan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Veronicas -- wtf, under "Early years" in this article it's written in first person POV
2008-01-16 09:15 < Mark_Ryan> "Born to Italian (Sicilian) parents, I grew up in Albany Creek, (northwest of Brisbane, Australia) where I attended Ferny Grove State High School and Wavell State High School"
2008-01-16 09:15 < Mike_H> in the early years I made them famous
2008-01-16 09:15 < Mike_H> single-handedly
2008-01-16 09:16 < bainer> heh, someone copied the article from a Sale of the Century question
2008-01-16 09:16 < Mike_H> Okay, not feeling The Mamas and the Papas this early in the morning
2008-01-16 09:16 < Mike_H> they make me tired
2008-01-16 09:16 * Mike_H NP: Martha Reeves and the Vandellas - Honey Chile (1967)
2008-01-16 09:16 < Mike_H> much bettah
2008-01-16 09:16 < Mark_Ryan> bainer: sounds like it :)
2008-01-16 09:18 < Mike_H> Lycurgus: How old are you again?
2008-01-16 09:18 < Mike_H> you're like my dad's age, aren't you?
2008-01-16 09:19 < Mike_H> Mark_Ryan: Do you have old parents or young parents?
2008-01-16 09:19 < Mark_Ryan> Mike_H: I have middle-aged parents.
2008-01-16 09:19 < Mike_H> Oh, then they're not old?
2008-01-16 09:19 < Mark_Ryan> like, 50 ish
2008-01-16 09:20 < Mike_H> Oh, that is old.
2008-01-16 09:20 < Mark_Ryan> no, that's middle-aged
2008-01-16 09:20 < Mike_H> Some of my friends have moms who are like
2008-01-16 09:20 < Mike_H> 42.
2008-01-16 09:20 < Mike_H> That's what I'm talking about.
2008-01-16 09:20 < Mark_Ryan> yeah, those are the moms who got pregnant in high school.
2008-01-16 09:20 < BCMM> 42?
2008-01-16 09:20 < Huntster> young compared to my parents (60s)
2008-01-16 09:20 < Mike_H> Huntster: and I thought my mom was old
2008-01-16 09:20 < arcimboldo_> <- 70s
2008-01-16 09:21 < Huntster> and i'm 25, so, yeah.
2008-01-16 09:21 < Mark_Ryan> a couple of my friends have parents in their 60s and 70s.
2008-01-16 09:21 < Mike_H> I'm 22, my mother is 57.
2008-01-16 09:21 < arcimboldo_> My mother was 33 and my father 40 when I was born.
2008-01-16 09:21 < Mike_H> My oldest sibling will be 39 next month, though, so my mom is a young mom and an old mom, depending on which sibling you're talking about.
2008-01-16 09:22 < Huntster> Mike, we're in almost identical boats it seems. My brother is 36.
2008-01-16 09:22 < Mike_H> Huntster: Youngest?
2008-01-16 09:23 < Huntster> Yes, just two children (and I don't claim him).
2008-01-16 09:23 < Mike_H> Oh, I'm the youngest of five
2008-01-16 09:23 < Mike_H> 1969, 1970, 1972, 1977, and then 1985
2008-01-16 09:23 < Huntster> I'm sorry.
2008-01-16 09:24 < Huntster> I don't know that I could deal with actually having siblings. I'm too controlling.
2008-01-16 09:25 < Mike_H> Well, the one closest in age to me
2008-01-16 09:25 < Mike_H> he graduated high school when I was 10
2008-01-16 09:25 < Mike_H> so for a lot of my growing up, I was raised as if I were an only child
2008-01-16 09:26 < Huntster> good point.
2008-01-16 09:27 < uberpenguin> there's something missing in your life without a sibling to beat on
2008-01-16 09:27 < uberpenguin> or to blame
2008-01-16 09:27 < Mike_H> Huntster: A lot of my friends are the oldest sibling