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2008-01-15 19:34 < ggreer> I probably won't get one though, my macbook pro is fine
2008-01-15 19:34 < Cyrius> Demi: what would you be picking up inductive power from?
2008-01-15 19:34 < Xihix> in case I need it for an argument tomorrow.
2008-01-15 19:34 < shimgray> I bet you could sell *thousands* of electric iToothbrushes
2008-01-15 19:34 < ggreer> Xihix: no ethernet, less space than a vaio, lame
2008-01-15 19:34 < Cyrius> Xihix: "it does not suit my computer requirements"
2008-01-15 19:34 < Demi> Cyrius - you'd set it on top of a fridge or something
2008-01-15 19:34 < shimgray> nice plain white with a single button and a random blue LED
2008-01-15 19:34 < Xihix> No Cyrius
2008-01-15 19:34 < Luna-San> "is rather expensive for a paperweight"
2008-01-15 19:34 < Xihix> I want them to feel bad for liking it.
2008-01-15 19:34 < SNORLAX> Xihix, it bugs #wikipedia to review its articles
2008-01-15 19:34 < Demi> shimgray - no buttons, jobs hates buttons
2008-01-15 19:35 < Xihix> this is what I have so far:
2008-01-15 19:35 < Lycurgus> "makes you look stupid AND fat"
2008-01-15 19:35 < shimgray> Demi: One wonders how you control it, then
2008-01-15 19:35 < Xihix> One USB port, no cd/dvd drive, only 2 gb of ram, $1.6k, no ethernet port
2008-01-15 19:35 < Demi> shimgray - it comes on when you put it in a mouth
2008-01-15 19:35 < Xihix> downgraded macbook, more expensive
2008-01-15 19:35 < Xihix> what else?
2008-01-15 19:35 < ggreer> Xihix: battery life is only 5 hours?
2008-01-15 19:36 < shimgray> Demi: Please remember to enunciate the word "on" very clearly there.
2008-01-15 19:36 < Xihix> ah, thank you.
2008-01-15 19:36 < Demi> except in unusual circumstances, our macbook pro is never connected to ethernet
2008-01-15 19:36 < Demi> for that matter, it almost never needs a CD drive
2008-01-15 19:36 < ggreer> even at work my MBP isn't connected to ethernet
2008-01-15 19:36 < ggreer> ditto
2008-01-15 19:36 < Xihix> Demi
2008-01-15 19:36 < Xihix> stop trying to defend a shitty company.
2008-01-15 19:36 < Xihix> thanks
2008-01-15 19:36 < ggreer> it's a product that fills a growing segment of the market
2008-01-15 19:37 < Demi> well, i think people will like the touch thing
2008-01-15 19:37 < shimgray> yeah, cd drives are rapidly falling from use now
2008-01-15 19:37 < shimgray> I've used mine a few times in the last year, only once or twice was it more than frivolous
2008-01-15 19:37 < Xihix> what about dvd drive?
2008-01-15 19:37 < Triona> I like the form factor
2008-01-15 19:37 < Xihix> anyway though
2008-01-15 19:37 < ggreer> Xihix: I have a DVD drive in my HTPC and my linux server... for ripping DVDs
2008-01-15 19:37 < Xihix> hmm, seems that I forgot.
2008-01-15 19:38 < Demi> Xihix - you'll just copy movies from your iTV
2008-01-15 19:38 < Demi> er AppleTV
2008-01-15 19:38 < Demi> whatever that thing is called
2008-01-15 19:38 < Triona> leaving off the optical drive isn't something new
2008-01-15 19:38 < shimgray> pount
2008-01-15 19:38 < Xihix> Yeah, as if I'd pay for one.
2008-01-15 19:38 < Xihix> But anyway.
2008-01-15 19:38 < ggreer> Xihix: you probably couldn't afford one
2008-01-15 19:38 < Xihix> I think the only use the Touch would have would be uhh
2008-01-15 19:38 < Cyrius> Xihix: you don't want one, we get it, stop going on about it
2008-01-15 19:38 < Demi> as long as it has an RS-232 serial port, we're okay
2008-01-15 19:38 < Triona> sony's done it before too IIRC
2008-01-15 19:38 < Xihix> emulators.
2008-01-15 19:38 < ggreer> ports come and go, big whoop
2008-01-15 19:38 < Demi> Triona - oh, my dell laptop doesn't have one
2008-01-15 19:38 < Xihix> Ggreer, I wouldn't want to buy some piece of crap.
2008-01-15 19:39 < Cyrius> Xihix: you are being needlessly combative
2008-01-15 19:39 < ggreer> heh
2008-01-15 19:39 < Triona> I've not seen rs232 ports on very many newer laptops
2008-01-15 19:39 < Xihix> What are all the uses of the AppleTV?
2008-01-15 19:39 < Demi> Xihix - you can copy movies to your macbook air
2008-01-15 19:39 < Xihix> uhh
2008-01-15 19:39 < Xihix> thats it?
2008-01-15 19:39 < Cyrius> nobody's forcing you to buy one, nobody's even suggesting you buy one
2008-01-15 19:39 < Demi> i think you can call it on your iphone
2008-01-15 19:39 < SNORLAX> you can discover GRAVITY
2008-01-15 19:40 < Demi> well, it's an apple home theater PC
2008-01-15 19:40 < Xihix> sounds just another Apple product.
2008-01-15 19:40 < Triona> I thought appletv was mostly to stream from itunes
2008-01-15 19:40 < Demi> there you go
2008-01-15 19:40 < Cyrius> Triona: they upgraded it, it can now rent movies
2008-01-15 19:40 < ggreer> Triona: it was, but now they've got new software
2008-01-15 19:40 < Triona> so that all those movies you bought from the itunes store can be played :P
2008-01-15 19:40 < ggreer> so you can rent movies with it. it's basically gunning for the set top box market
2008-01-15 19:41 < Triona> if they really want to get that market, it's gonna have to be a DVR too
2008-01-15 19:41 < ggreer> after hearing about macworld today, during my lunch break I went to fry's and bought an xbox 360
2008-01-15 19:41 < Cyrius> yeah, doesn't do t hat
2008-01-15 19:41 < ggreer> because CoD4 is freaking sweet
2008-01-15 19:41 < Cyrius> ggreer: that doesn't seem logically connected =)
2008-01-15 19:41 < Demi> i kind of wanted that razor :/
2008-01-15 19:42 < Demi> what happens if your DVR is separate from your tuner?
2008-01-15 19:42 < ggreer> Cyrius: it's not. some other guys were using the xbox at work so I got another one
2008-01-15 19:42 < ggreer> I was going to get one for home anyway
2008-01-15 19:43 < Demi> strops are expensive
2008-01-15 19:43 < ggreer> it's that whole "just because y happened after x, that doesn't mean x caused y" thing
2008-01-15 19:43 < ggreer> post ergo proc or something
2008-01-15 19:43 < Cyrius> post hoc ergo propter hoc
2008-01-15 19:44 < Xihix> seeking
2008-01-15 19:46 < quanticle|away> ggreer: Its "post hoc, ergo propter hoc"
2008-01-15 19:46 < quanticle|away> And Cyrius beat me to it
2008-01-15 19:47 < Xihix> question
2008-01-15 19:47 < Xihix> if I persue a career in computer science
2008-01-15 19:47 < Xihix> will I be screwed in the long run?
2008-01-15 19:47 < ggreer> yeah that one
2008-01-15 19:47 < quanticle|away> Xihix: What do you mean?
2008-01-15 19:48 < Xihix> well
2008-01-15 19:48 < Xihix> from what I know
2008-01-15 19:48 < ggreer> Xihix: if you have to ask that question you shouldn't be a compsci major
2008-01-15 19:48 < ggreer> do what you like doing, salary doesn't matter nearly as much as enjoying your job
2008-01-15 19:48 < Xihix> I'm still young, I haven't made any life long decisions yet
2008-01-15 19:48 < Xihix> and no, I mean
2008-01-15 19:48 < Xihix> from what I hear, the field makes the least amount of jobs or something
2008-01-15 19:49 < Demi> Xihix - no, no one wants to screw computer science majors
2008-01-15 19:49 < quanticle> ggreer: Heh true. I chose CompSci because I knew I would be programming, whether I got paid for it or not
2008-01-15 19:49 < Xihix> like, it'll be the slowest one.
2008-01-15 19:49 < ggreer> quanticle: ditto. 'sup compsci buddy
2008-01-15 19:49 < phed> aww, ScienceApologist has deleted himself
2008-01-15 19:49 < quanticle> Xihix: If CompSci is so slow, then why are Bill Gates, et. al. constantly whining about how the US doesn't turn out enough grads in that area?
2008-01-15 19:49 < Xihix> I believe I will major CompSci at Georgia Tech
2008-01-15 19:49 < Demi> i chose zoology, and guess what? i'm still programming, and i get paid for it, whee!
2008-01-15 19:50 < Xihix> Alright then, I'll stay with CompSci
2008-01-15 19:50 < quanticle> ggreer: Heh. Where're you studying?
2008-01-15 19:50 < Xihix> Are there PhD's for CompSci?
2008-01-15 19:50 < ggreer> quanticle: I'm done studying. I work for a search engine company in the bay area (not google)
2008-01-15 19:50 < quanticle> Xihix: It comes down to studying what you'll like to be doing
2008-01-15 19:50 < Demi> one thing you might not understand is that "a career in computer science" pretty much means an academic career, while "a career writing programs" or "a career in information technology" can be cobbled together from any old thing
2008-01-15 19:51 < Xihix> hmm.
2008-01-15 19:51 < Xihix> that sounds confusing.
2008-01-15 19:51 < ggreer> I like it because I learn new stuff all the time
2008-01-15 19:51 < Demi> learn what interests you, get a liberal education, learn to write clearly and well.
2008-01-15 19:51 < Xihix> I like that you can get a job with just a bachelor's degree in compsci
2008-01-15 19:51 < quanticle> Demi: True. The mathematical side of CS has always fascinated me so that's why I chose CS...
2008-01-15 19:51 < ggreer> Demi: if you get a bachelor's in compsci you're probably going to become a programmer. a phd and you'll probably be a professor
2008-01-15 19:52 < Xihix> ggreer, what about a masters?
2008-01-15 19:52 < ggreer> Xihix: you could go either way
2008-01-15 19:52 < Krimpet> I switched from software engineering to CS last year, because of all the options a CS degree gives you
2008-01-15 19:52 < Xihix> Could you get a PhD just for the hell of it?
2008-01-15 19:52 < ggreer> although most masters people I've interviewed are more academic
2008-01-15 19:54 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - ewww.
2008-01-15 19:54 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: what's eww? SE was _very_ eww.
2008-01-15 19:54 < Ceiling_Cat> Right, that's what i'm saying
2008-01-15 19:54 < quanticle> Xihix: Yes, but it'd be a pretty expensive thing to do "just for the hell of it."
2008-01-15 19:55 < Xihix> Ceiling, what was/is your major?
2008-01-15 19:55 < Ceiling_Cat> as an engineer, I don't consider software "engineering" to be engineering
2008-01-15 19:55 < Xihix> and how expensive, quanticle?
2008-01-15 19:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Xihix - computer engineer
2008-01-15 19:55 < Demi> the thing is, there's "computer science which is computer science" and there's "computer science which is vocational training for a job writing programs", you have to figure out the names at your school of choice and choose appropriately
2008-01-15 19:55 < Xihix> I see
2008-01-15 19:55 < Ceiling_Cat> (computer architecture in particular)
2008-01-15 19:55 < Xihix> You basically make computer hardware, correct?
2008-01-15 19:55 < Xihix> Aren't you sick of circuit boards yet?
2008-01-15 19:55 < quanticle> Xihix: It'd cost at least as much as your initial 4 years
2008-01-15 19:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Xihix - I study parallel computers and ways to make the hardware of software that runs on them better
2008-01-15 19:55 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: ah, OK, I though you meant switching to CS was eww. I'm really happy I switched. :)
2008-01-15 19:56 < Ceiling_Cat> or*
2008-01-15 19:56 < Sfan00> Computer Engineering on the hardware side IS enginerring
2008-01-15 19:56 < Sfan00> It needs a LOT of very technical skilled effort
2008-01-15 19:56 < Ceiling_Cat> My job occurs at the interface between hardware and software, so I'm fairly well versed in both
2008-01-15 19:56 < Xihix> uhh quanticle
2008-01-15 19:56 < Xihix> how much will it cost the first ouf years?
2008-01-15 19:56 < quanticle> Ceiling_cat: Computer science isn't science (its math). Computer engineering isn't engineering (its management)
2008-01-15 19:56 < Xihix> Also, with a b.a. in compsci, what jobs can I get?
2008-01-15 19:57 < Demi> Xihix - depends on the school
2008-01-15 19:57 < Ceiling_Cat> What Demi says
2008-01-15 19:57 < Sfan00> A BA in Computer Science doesn't mean a lot
2008-01-15 19:57 < Sfan00> It depends on what you did
2008-01-15 19:57 < Ceiling_Cat> the quality of a computer science degree varies greatly from school to school
2008-01-15 19:57 < Sfan00> Good Comp sci degrees are what get people jobs
2008-01-15 19:57 < Demi> and the cost, of course
2008-01-15 19:57 < Xihix> Demi
2008-01-15 19:57 < Krimpet> SE is basically a degree in bureaucracy from what I could tell. I took a class on Software Process & Product Metrics, and it scared me away from SE for good
2008-01-15 19:57 < Xihix> Georgia Tech?
2008-01-15 19:57 < Demi> but honestly, this isn't really the right way to look at your college education
2008-01-15 19:57 < Sfan00> The fact is a lot of compsci degrees are not worth the paper they are printed on:)
2008-01-15 19:58 * Ceiling_Cat nodes @ Sfan00
2008-01-15 19:58 < Xihix> uhh
2008-01-15 19:58 < Ceiling_Cat> unfortunately, that sort-of gives the whole field a bad rap
2008-01-15 19:58 < quanticle> Krimpet: See my comment above
2008-01-15 19:58 < Ceiling_Cat> many people look at a cs degree and see a code-monkey in training
2008-01-15 19:58 < Sfan00> Krimpet: Thats true of other engineering as well
2008-01-15 19:58 < Ceiling_Cat> which is true for some, but not all schools
2008-01-15 19:58 < Demi> the fact is, except for some boner degrees, the differences between one degree and another, over the course of several years, are overwhelmed by the differences between not having one and having one
2008-01-15 19:58 < Xihix> I'm pretty sure I'm going to Georgia Tech, and major in CompSci. What jobs can I get, eh??
2008-01-15 19:58 < Krimpet> quanticle: I think you meant to say SE there then, not CE
2008-01-15 19:58 < Demi> so really, you should be pursuing your interests; if not in college, when?
2008-01-15 19:58 < Sfan00> Xihix: With just a compsci not much
2008-01-15 19:59 < Xihix> Demi, CompSci is my interests. I just want to know whats available after.
2008-01-15 19:59 < Krimpet> I never, ever, ever want to be doing ISO 9000 and Malcolm Baldridge whatever for a living
2008-01-15 19:59 < quanticle> Krimpet: That I did. My apologies to all Computer Engineering students out there.
2008-01-15 19:59 < Xihix> Sfan00, really?
2008-01-15 19:59 < Ceiling_Cat> Xihix - georgia tech is good for computer engineering. I'm not so sure for computer science, but I think they're all right for it
2008-01-15 19:59 < quanticle> Krimpet: I used to be a Comp. Eng. student...
2008-01-15 19:59 < Sfan00> With a compsci in a specfic area of current reaserch and in which you made a signifcant contribution to your pof's pet paper , maybe
2008-01-15 19:59 < Demi> well, quality management can be really interesting
2008-01-15 19:59 < Sfan00> you can get jobs with firms like Apple, Microsoft etc
2008-01-15 19:59 < Demi> programming people with procedures can be fun
2008-01-15 20:00 < Xihix> Ceiling_Cat, they have a whole building for computer science and engineering, from what I know.
2008-01-15 20:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Xihix - uh, most places do
2008-01-15 20:00 < Xihix> no i mean
2008-01-15 20:00 < Xihix> crap, nevermind.
2008-01-15 20:00 < Ceiling_Cat> (my university has one fully ee/cpeg building, and parts of 2 others)
2008-01-15 20:00 < quanticle> Demi: That line reminds me of Catbert, The Evil HR director
2008-01-15 20:00 < Krimpet> I see it as a good thing, though, that most of my school's CS majors bail out for the IT program after their first couple years, though - I feel like it's a sign of quality on my school's part :)
2008-01-15 20:00 < Xihix> Hmm. Ah, I just remembered the significant part about it. some guy donated like 15m for a new building.
2008-01-15 20:01 < ggreer> Demi: in the tech world a degree isn't as important as experience
2008-01-15 20:01 < Demi> well, i've worked pretty closely with quality assurance and compliance types, it's not a bad field
2008-01-15 20:02 < ggreer> hell, google has hired programmers without high school diplomas
2008-01-15 20:02 < ggreer> of course they were really good programmers
2008-01-15 20:02 < quanticle> ggreer: Well, experience counts, but if you're a n00b, its the degree that gets your foot in the door
2008-01-15 20:02 < ggreer> quanticle: very true
2008-01-15 20:02 < Ceiling_Cat> Just remember - never, ever work for EA
2008-01-15 20:02 < Ceiling_Cat> they are a white slave-labor shop
2008-01-15 20:02 < Demi> i think a lot of employers wouldn't see the point of hiring J. Random BSCS in the U.S.
2008-01-15 20:02 < Xihix> Hmm, the alumni's with a computer science major from GT look impressive.
2008-01-15 20:02 < ggreer> game development is slave labor
2008-01-15 20:03 < ggreer> all but two of my co-workers are lapsed game developers
2008-01-15 20:03 < greudin> game dev looks like dunjeon keeper 2
2008-01-15 20:03 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: I feel really sorry for all the people that got suckered into EA. I bet they were all promised, "You'll be working on videogames," which sounded really cool at the time, I'm sure
2008-01-15 20:03 < Xihix> Raul, you do a lot of circuit boards with computer engineering, no?
2008-01-15 20:04 < Xihix> while learning it, anyway.
2008-01-15 20:04 < quanticle> Xihix: Yep. Lots of cicuitry and VHDL
2008-01-15 20:04 < Xihix> sounds boring
2008-01-15 20:04 < Ceiling_Cat> Xihix - it depends on your speciality
2008-01-15 20:04 < Ceiling_Cat> circuit boards are something that low-level computer engineers and electrical engineers deal with
2008-01-15 20:04 * Demi raises pin 9
2008-01-15 20:04 < quanticle> Xihix: Not necessarily. You get to see inside those little black box ICs and see what they're used for
2008-01-15 20:05 < Ceiling_Cat> I spent my summer programming FPGAs in a C-like language
2008-01-15 20:05 < Ceiling_Cat> it was misreable
2008-01-15 20:05 < Ceiling_Cat> but that is circuit-board-esque activity
2008-01-15 20:05 * Ceiling_Cat gets a T-shirt printed up that reads: Mitrion ruined my summer and all I got was this lousy T-shirt
2008-01-15 20:06 < Sfan00> Xihix: FPGA boring?
2008-01-15 20:06 < Xihix> heh
2008-01-15 20:06 < Sfan00> :)
2008-01-15 20:06 < Sfan00> LOL
2008-01-15 20:06 < Xihix> actually
2008-01-15 20:06 < Xihix> I dunno what FPGA is.
2008-01-15 20:06 < Sfan00> You get to do all kinds of cool stuff
2008-01-15 20:06 < Xihix> circuitry, that sounds boring
2008-01-15 20:07 < Luna-San> WASHINGTON - Congressional committees are scheduled to begin preliminary hearings regarding allegations of circuitboarding torture in colleges and universities across America, perhaps even internationally.
2008-01-15 20:07 < Ceiling_Cat> Xihix - an FPGA is a circuit board that can be programmed to have a user-specific behavior
2008-01-15 20:07 < Xihix> But yeah, I may just end up doing something with CompSci so I don't have to get off my ass much
2008-01-15 20:07 < quanticle> Xihix: Field-programmable gate array = FPGA. Its basically a chip you can "wire" yourself using software
2008-01-15 20:07 < Xihix> ehh... I see...
2008-01-15 20:08 < Ceiling_Cat> although the FPGAs I was dealing with were in a SUPER SEKRIT GOVERNMENT LOCATION
2008-01-15 20:08 < Ceiling_Cat> and I was doing everything remoately
2008-01-15 20:08 < Ceiling_Cat> remotely, even
2008-01-15 20:08 < Xihix> so, in conclusion
2008-01-15 20:08 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: I like remoately better
2008-01-15 20:08 < Xihix> with a b.a. in compsci, I can work at various computer related firms?
2008-01-15 20:08 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: It implies the presence of a moat, which automatically means high security
2008-01-15 20:09 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat: perhaps they were wired to a prisoner's genitalia in Guantanamo Bay?
2008-01-15 20:09 < quanticle> Krimpet: Caribbean Sea == moat?
2008-01-15 20:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - lulz
2008-01-15 20:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Krimpet - actually, they were at the [[United States Naval Research Laboratory]]
2008-01-15 20:10 < Ceiling_Cat> although I like your idea
2008-01-15 20:10 < NotACow> death to poot
2008-01-15 20:10 < Ceiling_Cat> a terrorist-genitallia powered FPGA
2008-01-15 20:10 < Sfan00> Krimpet: ZOMG Computer controlled elctro-torture? :O
2008-01-15 20:11 < NotACow> people still make circuit boards?
2008-01-15 20:11 < Xihix> Raul, will there be a time when you leave Wikipedia?
2008-01-15 20:11 < Sfan00> I know the CIA had some weired s**t but..
2008-01-15 20:11 < Sfan00> NotACow: Yes
2008-01-15 20:11 < quanticle> NotAcow: You think those boards print themselves?
2008-01-15 20:11 < NotACow> Sfan00: i thought all of that was done by robots
2008-01-15 20:11 < Sfan00> People still make thier own electornics projects
2008-01-15 20:11 < Ceiling_Cat> Xihix - sadly no, I will be there until they turn out the lights
2008-01-15 20:11 < Xihix> that sucks.
2008-01-15 20:11 < Xihix> not even to make a family?
2008-01-15 20:11 < NotACow> that should be sometime this summer
2008-01-15 20:11 < Krimpet> tell us where the WMDs are, or we'll POKE...
2008-01-15 20:11 * Lycurgus is curious about the 3rd edition of [[the Art of Electronics]]
2008-01-15 20:11 < Xihix> how come, NotACow?
2008-01-15 20:11 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: i said the same thing back in 2005
2008-01-15 20:12 < NotACow> Xihix: foundation is running out of money
2008-01-15 20:12 < Xihix> nooo!
2008-01-15 20:12 < Sfan00> Of course you can do really nice stuff with FPGA, like making your own Games console and stuff :)
2008-01-15 20:12 < Xihix> maybe we can put product placement in the articles?
2008-01-15 20:12 < NotACow> Xihix: heh
2008-01-15 20:12 < Sfan00> Pay Up, Or the Articles get Ads !
2008-01-15 20:13 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - if I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath
2008-01-15 20:13 < Ceiling_Cat> people have been predicting the imminent death of wikipedia for a while, and yet somehow it keeps coming back
2008-01-15 20:13 < Xihix> So, we're not running out of money?
2008-01-15 20:13 * Ceiling_Cat will wait until netcraft confirms it
2008-01-15 20:13 < Cyrius> we're always running out of money
2008-01-15 20:13 < Sfan00> Xihix: A ba in Computer Science is meaningless...
2008-01-15 20:13 < Xihix> I don't know if I can survive without Wikipedia.
2008-01-15 20:13 < Cyrius> it's just that more money comes along
2008-01-15 20:13 < Sfan00> You need other skills
2008-01-15 20:13 < Xihix> And shut up Sfan00, you're lying.
2008-01-15 20:13 < Sfan00> I have a BEng Computing
2008-01-15 20:13 < Xihix> what other skills?
2008-01-15 20:13 < Sfan00> and I haven't been able to find an IT job
2008-01-15 20:13 * Krimpet survived with Encarta just fine. :)
2008-01-15 20:13 < Triona> Nobody wants to see wikipedia go away, so people keep footing the bill
2008-01-15 20:14 < Lycurgus> well since it apparently just collected a couple years of it's operating expense I would assume it'll be around at least that long
2008-01-15 20:14 < Sfan00> Xihix: being able to bullshit
2008-01-15 20:14 < Sfan00> :(
2008-01-15 20:14 < Sfan00> and having people skills
2008-01-15 20:14 < Xihix> what kind?
2008-01-15 20:14 < Xihix> oooh. thats easy.
2008-01-15 20:14 < Ceiling_Cat> The foundation needs to move from small donations to institutional donations
2008-01-15 20:14 < Ceiling_Cat> Mike Godwin is working on that
2008-01-15 20:14 < Luna-San> You're a programmer. Just code it out. makeBullshitSmallTalk()
2008-01-15 20:14 < Ceiling_Cat> (among others)
2008-01-15 20:14 < Xihix> If I decide to teach at a school for the blind, will they take that in consideration?
2008-01-15 20:14 < Sfan00> Yes
2008-01-15 20:14 < Triona> I gave $5 I think
2008-01-15 20:14 < Xihix> hmm, sounds good.
2008-01-15 20:15 < Sfan00> but you need also to have relevant skills
2008-01-15 20:15 < Xihix> I know brail well, I think I'd be able to do it.
2008-01-15 20:15 * NotACow stopped donating to the foundation sometime in 2006
2008-01-15 20:15 < Sfan00> Like developing a teaching aid for this blind school would work wonders :)
2008-01-15 20:15 < Luna-San> Ceiling_Cat: "Move from" or "add on"?
2008-01-15 20:15 < Xihix> Could I lie and say I did stuff in class?
2008-01-15 20:15 < quanticle> NotACow: Is this when you started your blog?
2008-01-15 20:15 < NotACow> quanticle: roughtly
2008-01-15 20:15 < Sfan00> Don't lie in job interviews
2008-01-15 20:15 < Xihix> why not?
2008-01-15 20:15 < Sfan00> Be creative in describing though
2008-01-15 20:15 < Xihix> if you're a good programmer, I don't see it mattering.
2008-01-15 20:15 < Triona> I think wikipedia has some serious governance issues that need to be addressed though
2008-01-15 20:15 < quanticle> Xihix: You might get the job
2008-01-15 20:15 < NotACow> Sfan00: you're expected to lie in job interviews
2008-01-15 20:15 < brown_cat_coma> Hey Sfan00!
2008-01-15 20:15 < Sfan00> No
2008-01-15 20:16 < Sfan00> You expected to 'sell' yourself
2008-01-15 20:16 < quanticle> NotACow: You're expected to exaggerate
2008-01-15 20:16 < Demi> lying isn't a good idea
2008-01-15 20:16 < Sfan00> you are not suppoesd to tell lies
2008-01-15 20:16 < Xihix> how could it be bad?
2008-01-15 20:16 < Sfan00> :)
2008-01-15 20:16 < NotACow> exaggeration is just carefully crafted lying
2008-01-15 20:16 < Sfan00> Xihix: because cheats always get found out
2008-01-15 20:16 < Demi> Xihix - lie about stuff you did? because you risk being caught in a lie
2008-01-15 20:16 < quanticle> Xihix: Look at what I said...
2008-01-15 20:16 < Triona> I think lack of strong leadership is hurting the project.
2008-01-15 20:16 < Xihix> Psh. If a job is on the line, I'm going to pull the biggest bs.
2008-01-15 20:16 < Sfan00> and getting a job by lying is FRAUD!
2008-01-15 20:16 < Demi> believe me, if you're fresh out of school, you are not as good at lying as you think you are
2008-01-15 20:16 < Krimpet> myself, I'm not too impressed with the management of the WMF to donate, even if I wasn't a poor college student -_-
2008-01-15 20:16 < Xihix> Demi, I believe I am good at lying.
2008-01-15 20:16 < Lycurgus> (rubs hands) corporate sponsorship, and by he for whom the canonical <missingTerm> is eponymously named, mmmmmmmmmm!
2008-01-15 20:17 < Demi> Xihix - everyone does
2008-01-15 20:17 < Sfan00> :O
2008-01-15 20:17 < NotACow> Xihix: you'll fit in great in marketing or human resources, then
2008-01-15 20:17 < SNORLAX> <Xihix> Demi, I believe I am good at lying.
2008-01-15 20:17 < quanticle> Xihix: Y'know what'll be the worst part. You'll probably get the job, and you'll find out that you suck and the job sucks because its way too hard
2008-01-15 20:17 < Sfan00> I have never lied in a Job Interview yet
2008-01-15 20:17 < SNORLAX> that's a lie
2008-01-15 20:17 < Xihix> I probably won't have to lie though.
2008-01-15 20:17 < Sfan00> Of course you should also NEVER LIE to:
2008-01-15 20:17 < Xihix> I'll probably do something to be considered to have skills.
2008-01-15 20:17 < Sfan00> * Highway patrol
2008-01-15 20:17 < Sfan00> * the IRS
2008-01-15 20:18 < NotACow> human resources people are trained to lie
2008-01-15 20:18 < Sfan00> * Your mother
2008-01-15 20:18 < Xihix> IRS is going down...
2008-01-15 20:18 < Lycurgus> <missingTerm> := nameOf(classOf(things you really need to remember if you care about something but some asshole has said it's not cool))
2008-01-15 20:18 < Xihix> vote ron paul
2008-01-15 20:18 < NotACow> "Yes, the company cares about you."
2008-01-15 20:18 * Krimpet has lied to all three :)
2008-01-15 20:18 < SNORLAX> ron pauuuul
2008-01-15 20:18 < Leslie_S> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Norden_bombsight.jpg
2008-01-15 20:18 < NotACow> i have never lied to ron paul.
2008-01-15 20:18 < Leslie_S> that thing is awesome.
2008-01-15 20:18 < Sfan00> The US needs Tax revenue to pay to defend you from the nasty Islamic extremists
2008-01-15 20:18 < Sfan00> :)
2008-01-15 20:18 < Xihix> I have personally talked to Ron Paul before.
2008-01-15 20:18 < quanticle> Krimpet: You've lied to your mother?!
2008-01-15 20:18 < Leslie_S> and i love how they like, guarded it with their lives, even though it was really not very effective
2008-01-15 20:18 < Triona> I think to get en back on track, we need community leaders that are both respected enough and sufficently empowered to get us back to being an encyclopedia and keep us there.
2008-01-15 20:19 < Leslie_S> Triona, that would require an evil god king though
2008-01-15 20:19 < Leslie_S> :/
2008-01-15 20:19 < Sfan00> And how can kick the idiots into compliance
2008-01-15 20:19 < Xihix> oh, if anyone is interested in wikipedia work, just tell me.
2008-01-15 20:19 < Leslie_S> Triona, hey, do you remember me? :o
2008-01-15 20:19 < Xihix> I have a job for you.
2008-01-15 20:19 < Xihix> and it's easy.
2008-01-15 20:19 < Krimpet> quanticle: at times. :x
2008-01-15 20:19 * Cyrius hides his black crown.
2008-01-15 20:19 < Triona> Leslie_S: Not necessarily.
2008-01-15 20:19 < SNORLAX> <Xihix> lol review my articles
2008-01-15 20:19 < Sfan00> LIke the idiots who continue to upload cop0yvio
2008-01-15 20:19 < Xihix> SNORLAX, shh.
2008-01-15 20:19 < Sfan00> <seethe seeethe seethe>
2008-01-15 20:19 < Xihix> It's a peer review
2008-01-15 20:19 < Xihix> thats all.
2008-01-15 20:20 < Triona> I'd rather see elected representitives
2008-01-15 20:20 < Sfan00> LOL
2008-01-15 20:20 < Sfan00> Wikipedia is not a deomocraCY
2008-01-15 20:20 < NotACow> Xihix: what's the pay?
2008-01-15 20:20 < Sfan00> I mean even Arbcom votes are not binding
2008-01-15 20:20 < Xihix> a barnstar? I recall you asking for one last time I offered it.
2008-01-15 20:20 < Xihix> wait no
2008-01-15 20:21 < NotACow> Xihix: i was thinking cash
2008-01-15 20:21 < Xihix> that came out wrong
2008-01-15 20:21 < Triona> consensus doesn't work if someone's trying to disrupt it.
2008-01-15 20:21 < White_Cat> Sfan00 they are binding but they hardly make any binding decisions lately
2008-01-15 20:21 < NotACow> i'll proofread your article for $10.
2008-01-15 20:21 < Sfan00> And do you really want more voting in an organisation that hired a crook to do the books? :O
2008-01-15 20:21 < Cyrius> NotACow: heh.
2008-01-15 20:22 < Sfan00> NotACow: Please chedck the exchange rates before making rash offers...
2008-01-15 20:22 < Sfan00> :)
2008-01-15 20:22 < Triona> I don't want more voting. I want someone empowered to oversee the content policies we have and who has the teeth to make sure they are followed.
2008-01-15 20:22 < NotACow> Sfan00: maybe if there was more voting, they wouldn't have hired a crook in the first place.
2008-01-15 20:22 < Triona> arbcom doesn't technically have that mandate
2008-01-15 20:22 < Cyrius> NotACow: counterexample: congress
2008-01-15 20:22 < Xihix> will $10 in monopoly money do?
2008-01-15 20:22 < NotACow> Xihix: no
2008-01-15 20:23 < Sfan00> Triona: Try beign active on RFA's then
2008-01-15 20:23 < NotACow> Xihix: paypal will do.
2008-01-15 20:23 < Xihix> what about
2008-01-15 20:23 < Xihix> $10 worth of monopoly money?
2008-01-15 20:23 < Triona> admins don't have that mandate either
2008-01-15 20:23 < Sfan00> I've consistently turned down RFA's because I don't think Wikipedia needs another nutjob
2008-01-15 20:23 < Sfan00> I.E Once I got admin I would probaly block all youtube linkers on sight :( ;)
2008-01-15 20:23 < NotACow> Xihix: i'll take $10 in mixed hardwoods
2008-01-15 20:23 < Xihix> I'd accept an RFA. but, not right now, anyway.
2008-01-15 20:23 < Triona> admins aren't authorized to sanction against editing in good faith
2008-01-15 20:24 < NotACow> Triona: but they do it all the time.
2008-01-15 20:24 < Xihix> I'd hard your word, NotACow.
2008-01-15 20:24 < Leslie_S> Sfan00, oh, your name is kelly martin now?
2008-01-15 20:24 < Sfan00> Triona: But linking to copyvio isn't good faith
2008-01-15 20:24 < Xihix> wood*
2008-01-15 20:24 < Xihix> damn it
2008-01-15 20:24 < Xihix> I meant wood
2008-01-15 20:24 < Sfan00> It's copyvio and vandalism
2008-01-15 20:24 < Leslie_S> Sfan00, or, at the least, i assume kelly or martin is part of your name?
2008-01-15 20:24 < Sfan00> No
2008-01-15 20:24 < Xihix> I, yet again, ruin a joke :(
2008-01-15 20:24 < Sfan00> I am not and never have been Kelly Martin
2008-01-15 20:24 < Triona> Sfan00: if I start participating in RfA more, it will be to support almost every RFA I see.
2008-01-15 20:24 < Sfan00> not all RFA's are good one
2008-01-15 20:24 < Sfan00> s
2008-01-15 20:25 < Xihix> Would you support my RFA?
2008-01-15 20:25 < Triona> unless someone really is dangerous
2008-01-15 20:25 < Leslie_S> i have absolutely no confidence in the community anymore
2008-01-15 20:25 < Sfan00> I consistently turn down RFA's because I don't need powers to abuse
2008-01-15 20:25 < NotACow> Leslie_S: i have complete confidence in the community
2008-01-15 20:25 < Sfan00> Leslie_S: Why not
2008-01-15 20:25 < Sfan00> ?
2008-01-15 20:25 < Triona> I'll support anyone that shows themselves to be a decent, nondisruptive editor.
2008-01-15 20:25 < NotACow> Leslie_S: in any situation, i have the complete confidence that the community will fuck it up
2008-01-15 20:26 < brown_cat_coma> Sfan00: I have the best thing...
2008-01-15 20:26 < Lycurgus> community = en wp?
2008-01-15 20:26 < brown_cat_coma> you know about the teen who had a 500 friends party?
2008-01-15 20:26 < Lycurgus> wmf or what?
2008-01-15 20:26 < Sfan00> Nothing wrong in a 500 friend party if properly organised, supervised and managed
2008-01-15 20:26 < Sfan00> (and had permits)
2008-01-15 20:26 < Triona> my standards for adminship are very low
2008-01-15 20:26 < brown_cat_coma> Sfan00: well, it turned into a riot
2008-01-15 20:26 < Sfan00> Not good :(
2008-01-15 20:26 < brown_cat_coma> and, caused 20000$ damage
2008-01-15 20:27 < brown_cat_coma> the guy who organized it was 16
2008-01-15 20:27 < brown_cat_coma> and did it when his parents were in another state
2008-01-15 20:27 < Cyrius> for some stupid reason it's making international news
2008-01-15 20:27 < Sfan00> They bill him for the cleanup costs?
2008-01-15 20:27 < brown_cat_coma> trying to
2008-01-15 20:27 < Sfan00> Good
2008-01-15 20:27 < ggreer> how can you bill someone that much if they can't afford it?
2008-01-15 20:27 < Sfan00> ggreer: Ask RIAA, they do it all the time
2008-01-15 20:28 < Xihix> hey guys
2008-01-15 20:28 < ggreer> like that guy who went across the bay bridge 600 times without a fastpass. he should get a > $50k fine
2008-01-15 20:28 < Xihix> BRB lawl
2008-01-15 20:28 < ggreer> of course he can't pay for it
2008-01-15 20:28 < Triona> sfan00: my standards for RFA are -> no recent blocks, demonstrated personal growth if you've ever been blocked, and enough edit history for me to be able to see someone's editing style & interactions
2008-01-15 20:28 < brown_cat_coma> Sfan00: in every photo/video of him, he has the same glasses and a hat on (to hide his face obviously) - it is th best when the host who is interviewing him asks him to take it off - he says no becayse they are"famous"
2008-01-15 20:28 < Sfan00> LOL
2008-01-15 20:28 < ggreer> hah
2008-01-15 20:28 < Triona> No set number of contributions.
2008-01-15 20:28 < LawrenceWCohen> name an article on something modern that I can make into a FA that isn't controversial
2008-01-15 20:29 < ggreer> teletubbies?
2008-01-15 20:29 < LawrenceWCohen> anything but things that my children drove me mad with
2008-01-15 20:30 < Messedrocker> Pokémon?
2008-01-15 20:30 < LawrenceWCohen> messed: hasn't that been done ten dozen times?
2008-01-15 20:30 < Rinn> Trains!
2008-01-15 20:30 < LawrenceWCohen> trains is good
2008-01-15 20:31 < ggreer> LawrenceWCohen == new SPUI
2008-01-15 20:31 < LawrenceWCohen> is that good or bad?
2008-01-15 20:31 < ggreer> both
2008-01-15 20:31 < Rinn> Spud-Punting Upper Integrator?
2008-01-15 20:31 < ggreer> SPUI was an interesting character
2008-01-15 20:32 < ggreer> named after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-point_urban_interchange
2008-01-15 20:32 < LawrenceWCohen> I actually went and looked for [[Spud-Punting Upper Integrator]]
2008-01-15 20:33 < LawrenceWCohen> a [[Spud gun]], though...
2008-01-15 20:33 < ggreer> potato cannons are cool
2008-01-15 20:33 < brown_cat_coma> Sfan00: this is the interview - 90000 views in 2 days xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc0CB6URrV0#Kz40FtGvcHY and, this is a video where a radio show host physically tries to take the glasses off him (the best - worth the 30 second ad - xD http://video.msn.com/video.aspx/?mkt=en-au&brand=ninemsn&vid=9c1e9f5f-7840-41cd-a786-7650a816fb62&wa=wsignin1.0&vv=500 )
2008-01-15 20:36 < Lubaf> I wonder who will nominate [[WP:STUPID]] for deletion this year.
2008-01-15 20:37 * NotACow supports deleting every page in Wikipedia: space
2008-01-15 20:37 < NotACow> also every page in User: space
2008-01-15 20:37 < Messedrocker> me too
2008-01-15 20:38 < NotACow> except for the ones that are article drafts
2008-01-15 20:39 < Messedrocker> article drafts should be as part of a wikiproject deal
2008-01-15 20:39 < Messedrocker> so it's all coordinated
2008-01-15 20:39 < quanticle> Say what's the IRC channel for recent changes?
2008-01-15 20:39 < Messedrocker> irc.wikimedia.org #en.wikipedia
2008-01-15 20:39 < Messedrocker> but that's not effective
2008-01-15 20:39 < Messedrocker> there's two edits every second
2008-01-15 20:41 < geniice> LawrenceWCohen civil engineering is your best bet yes otherwise microchips at least 5 years old and perhaps astrinomical events and things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MESSENGER although not this week
2008-01-15 20:42 < geniice> talking of which when are we going to get some decent MESSENGER pics?
2008-01-15 20:43 < geniice> we got the Huygens images pretty much instantly
2008-01-15 20:44 < Sfan00> Any staffers around?
2008-01-15 20:50 < brown_cat> Sfan00: what's wrong?
2008-01-15 20:50 < Sfan00> It's to do with a new channel
2008-01-15 20:50 < Sfan00> :(
2008-01-15 20:51 < Lubaf> What do you mean it's not awesome?
2008-01-15 20:53 < TheWeasel> Romney leads in Michigan.
2008-01-15 20:54 < TheWeasel> propa gud, as our friend the chav says
2008-01-15 20:55 < Messedrocker> michigan primary is today?
2008-01-15 20:55 < TheWeasel> South African guy cant compete in the Olympics! Way to show that evolution sucks sometimes, for example designing the leg
2008-01-15 20:55 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-15 20:55 < Messedrocker> who's winning on the democrat side
2008-01-15 20:55 < TheWeasel> doesnt matter
2008-01-15 20:55 < TheWeasel> it wont count
2008-01-15 20:55 < TheWeasel> Michigan got penalized for moving its primary
2008-01-15 20:55 < Messedrocker> that's undemocratic
2008-01-15 20:55 < Messedrocker> i shall bring this up with the President
2008-01-15 20:56 < TheWeasel> well, they had a chance to put it back where it belonged
2008-01-15 20:56 < Messedrocker> maybe he'll invade the US to try to enforce democracy
2008-01-15 20:56 < TheWeasel> and didn't
2008-01-15 20:56 < TheWeasel> Operation Freetastic Michigan Freedom
2008-01-15 20:56 < TheWeasel> or something
2008-01-15 21:00 < brown_cat> Sfan00: see, the writers are under-paid! Studios typically pay $US500,000 to $US2 million ($A557,000 to $A2.23 million) a year per writer for them and their staffs to develop new show concepts.
2008-01-15 21:01 < TheWeasel> CNN calls MI for Mitt.
2008-01-15 21:01 < TheWeasel> that was fast
2008-01-15 21:01 < Leslie_S> brown_cat thats....a lot.
2008-01-15 21:01 < Leslie_S> :o
2008-01-15 21:01 < brown_cat> not really
2008-01-15 21:01 < brown_cat> that's how much daddy gives me every week
2008-01-15 21:01 < brown_cat> xD
2008-01-15 21:01 < brown_cat> jk
2008-01-15 21:03 < TheWeasel> People throw things at Romney HQ
2008-01-15 21:05 < Cyrius> Leslie_S: it's a lot when you don't consider that a writer can go a couple of years without a job
2008-01-15 21:06 < Leslie_S> Cyrius wow.
2008-01-15 21:06 < Leslie_S> Cyrius but still, hardly underpaid.
2008-01-15 21:06 < Cyrius> depends on what you mean by underpaid
2008-01-15 21:06 < Leslie_S> Cyrius i certainly dont support paying them more.
2008-01-15 21:06 < Leslie_S> Cyrius im underpaid, i make $11000 a year.
2008-01-15 21:06 < Cyrius> why not? the studios should get all the money?
2008-01-15 21:06 < Leslie_S> Cyrius no, the studios should get less money, to be honest.
2008-01-15 21:07 < Leslie_S> Cyrius i essentially disagree with the entire industry
2008-01-15 21:07 < Cyrius> Leslie_S: well okay then
2008-01-15 21:07 < Cyrius> if you disagree with the whole premise, arguing specifics doesn't have much point
2008-01-15 21:07 < Leslie_S> Cyrius i dont disagree wtih the whole premise though
2008-01-15 21:07 * TheWeasel would hate to have to be funny on command
2008-01-15 21:07 < Leslie_S> The premise is fine, its just that i dont like the way they are
2008-01-15 21:08 < quanticle> brown_cat: Beware of averages like that. They tend to get skewed by a few celebrties on the top end. It would be like saying computer programmers average $500,000 a year by including the lucky few who walk away billionaires after founding start-ups
2008-01-15 21:08 < Leslie_S> overpaid studios and etc, overpriced everything from the industry
2008-01-15 21:08 < quanticle> brown_cat: The same phenomenon may apply to writers
2008-01-15 21:08 < Leslie_S> hell, movies at theatres arent even really overpriced if you go to the right theatre.
2008-01-15 21:08 < Leslie_S> but...DVDs are overpriced.
2008-01-15 21:08 < Leslie_S> TV services are overpriced
2008-01-15 21:09 < quanticle> Leslie_S: How are DVDs overpriced? I can get a DVD for about the same price as a music CD. If anything CDs are overpriced...
2008-01-15 21:09 < brown_cat> quanticle: which is why we use the medium? no, the mememe, I forgot, not the mediium the erm............ the other average :s
2008-01-15 21:10 * brown_cat hits forehead
2008-01-15 21:10 < quanticle> brown_cat: median?
2008-01-15 21:10 < brown_cat> mean, median or mode
2008-01-15 21:10 < brown_cat> one of them :sa
2008-01-15 21:10 < Messedrocker> BROWN CAT
2008-01-15 21:10 < Messedrocker> TEACH ME STOICHIOMETRY
2008-01-15 21:11 < uberpenguin> a pair of movie tickets costs more than a DVD, so DVDs _must_ be reasonably priced, amirite?
2008-01-15 21:11 < brown_cat> Messedrocker: hhahaha
2008-01-15 21:11 < uberpenguin> stay away from chemistry... it will eat you
2008-01-15 21:11 * brown_cat cuddles Messedrocker
2008-01-15 21:11 < Messedrocker> uberpenguin, i am taking chemistry this year
2008-01-15 21:11 < Messedrocker> and will be taking AP Chemistry next year
2008-01-15 21:11 < Leslie_S> quanticle music cds are overpriced too, and bands are often screwed out of getting much money for their work
2008-01-15 21:11 < brown_cat> I to intro calc xD
2008-01-15 21:11 < quanticle> Leslie_S: I hear that
2008-01-15 21:11 < Messedrocker> calculus ;/
2008-01-15 21:11 < Messedrocker> leslie i stole your thing
2008-01-15 21:12 < Messedrocker> that is winking while having a slanty mouth
2008-01-15 21:12 < uberpenguin> my sympathies
2008-01-15 21:12 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Are you any good at cooking? (Bear with me, this is relevant)
2008-01-15 21:12 < Leslie_S> quanticle i dont watch TV (well, i do, sometimes, but its really because i dont pay for the service..), and i never buy DVDs or CDs at anything but the lowest prices. also, i use netflix.
2008-01-15 21:12 < Messedrocker> kind of, and yes i am aware of the analogy
2008-01-15 21:12 < Messedrocker> what i have trouble with is the LITTLE THINGS
2008-01-15 21:13 < Messedrocker> which i probably get now but i don't trust myself
2008-01-15 21:13 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Then you'll be largely OK with the lab section of it...
2008-01-15 21:13 < Gracenotes> Messedrocker: u has picturs
2008-01-15 21:13 < Messedrocker> i do
2008-01-15 21:13 < quanticle> Messedrocker: The lab was the worst part for me (also, I suck at cookery).
2008-01-15 21:13 < Messedrocker> yet no picturs of you
2008-01-15 21:14 < Leslie_S> quanticle but, by the time I get a DVD or CD at the price i want, they've made the money off it. they dont CARE if they sell a single copy. Manufacturing costs per copy are basically nothing. I understand that there's a lot of work that goes into making the stuff, but that gets paid off way before i get the stuff...
2008-01-15 21:14 < Gracenotes> kind of
2008-01-15 21:14 < Gracenotes> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dinner_at_The_Symposium%2C_NYC_meetup_January_2008_-_3.jpg <-- orange
2008-01-15 21:14 * brown_cat cuddles Messedrocker
2008-01-15 21:14 < TheWeasel_> Giuliani is sixth
2008-01-15 21:14 < Messedrocker> ah, you're gene shalit!
2008-01-15 21:14 < Gracenotes> ?
2008-01-15 21:14 < Gracenotes> who?
2008-01-15 21:14 < uberpenguin> lol nerds
2008-01-15 21:15 < Messedrocker> or kinda
2008-01-15 21:15 < Messedrocker> you have the dark hair and geekiness down
2008-01-15 21:15 < Leslie_S> quanticle, it might cost them 10 cents at the most to make a CD, if you dont count the costs of actually making the music on it.
2008-01-15 21:16 < Messedrocker> however your hair is curlier
2008-01-15 21:16 < Krimpet> there's something missing from that picture...
2008-01-15 21:16 < quanticle> Leslie_S: 10 cents per CD? Try more like 1 cent or less...
2008-01-15 21:16 < TheWeasel_> Wow, Ari Fleischer, long time no see
2008-01-15 21:16 * Krimpet can't put her finger on exactly what, though c.c
2008-01-15 21:16 < Gracenotes> Messedrocker: yes, I don't quite like that :|
2008-01-15 21:16 < Messedrocker> i have brown wavy hair
2008-01-15 21:16 * Gracenotes is always putting effort into flattening it a little
2008-01-15 21:16 < quanticle> TheWeasel_: Wait? Bush's *original* press-secretary?
2008-01-15 21:16 < brown_cat> on ninemsn today, boy starts wikipedia war with a link to http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=355454&rss=yes
2008-01-15 21:16 * Messedrocker runs his hand through it
2008-01-15 21:17 < Messedrocker> Gracenotes, get a hair straightener
2008-01-15 21:17 < Gracenotes> curly makes me look rather unruly
2008-01-15 21:17 < TheWeasel_> yea, that guy
2008-01-15 21:17 < Gracenotes> Messedrocker: singing my hair to change its structure? hm... sounds good :P
2008-01-15 21:17 < quanticle> TheWeasel_: How did he get out of whatever dark cave he was exiled to?
2008-01-15 21:17 < Gracenotes> singeing, that is...