freenode #wikipedia

2008-01-15 00:22 * gurch recommends against dating oneself
2008-01-15 00:22 < ronabop> Well, there's a way of distributing "open source" code....
2008-01-15 00:23 < Leslie_S> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_engine
2008-01-15 00:23 < Leslie_S> omg
2008-01-15 00:23 < quanticle> ronabop: Open source *genetic* code?
2008-01-15 00:23 * bumm13 is only old enough to remember people still playing the Atari 2600 in its heydey
2008-01-15 00:23 < bumm13> *heyday
2008-01-15 00:23 < quanticle> bumm13: What about it?
2008-01-15 00:23 * gurch huggles Luna-San
2008-01-15 00:23 < Schroeder> bumm13: hayday
2008-01-15 00:23 * gurch huggles bumm13
2008-01-15 00:23 < quanticle> Leslie_S: ^^
2008-01-15 00:23 < Schroeder> it was for horses
2008-01-15 00:23 < quanticle> bumm13: Sorry
2008-01-15 00:24 * gurch does not remember any of this old stuff :P
2008-01-15 00:24 < bumm13> :)
2008-01-15 00:24 < gurch> you guys are ancient
2008-01-15 00:24 < bumm13> my cousins had an Atari 2600 (woodgrain 4-switch VCS) in 1983
2008-01-15 00:24 < Schroeder> Leslie_S: you've never heard of that before
2008-01-15 00:24 < Schroeder> what an idiot...
2008-01-15 00:25 * uberpenguin isn't ancient TYVM
2008-01-15 00:25 * amidaniel had an Atari
2008-01-15 00:25 < IceKarma> not all of us are compsci geeks
2008-01-15 00:25 < uberpenguin> oh... gonna order the vacuum tubes for my project tomorrow, I think
2008-01-15 00:25 < Schroeder> IceKarma: including myself
2008-01-15 00:27 < quanticle> uberpenguin: What project?
2008-01-15 00:27 < amidaniel> White_Cat: You've got spam :)
2008-01-15 00:28 * ronabop cut his code teeth on a TRS-80 model III and an Osborne
2008-01-15 00:28 < amidaniel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:White_Cat?action=history
2008-01-15 00:28 < uberpenguin> quanticle: designing a theremin
2008-01-15 00:28 < quanticle> uberpenguin: Sweet
2008-01-15 00:29 < ronabop> oooh, fun stuff.
2008-01-15 00:29 < bumm13> ronabop: a bit before my time
2008-01-15 00:29 < uberpenguin> mostly with miniature medium-mu dual triodes
2008-01-15 00:29 < bumm13> I actually saw an Osborne Executive with disks at a thrift store once :x
2008-01-15 00:29 < uberpenguin> maybe a small-signal pentode and a power pentode
2008-01-15 00:29 < uberpenguin> and a glow regulator tube
2008-01-15 00:29 < quanticle> uberpenguin: What is the difference between a diode and a triode?
2008-01-15 00:30 < amidaniel> quanticle: A diode connects two wires, a triode three? :)
2008-01-15 00:30 < amidaniel> (That is, a diode has two possible paths, a triode three)
2008-01-15 00:30 < ronabop> uberpengiun: http://www.notbreathing.com/synth.html
2008-01-15 00:30 < NotACow> a diode has two elements, a triode tree
2008-01-15 00:30 < NotACow> a tetrode has four, a pentode five.
2008-01-15 00:30 < ronabop> (DIY synth porn)
2008-01-15 00:31 < amidaniel> A triode is basically just a transistor though, isn't it?
2008-01-15 00:31 < amidaniel> Functionally I mean
2008-01-15 00:31 < NotACow> amidaniel: no
2008-01-15 00:31 < amidaniel> Oh? What's the difference there?
2008-01-15 00:31 < NotACow> amidaniel: there are functional similarities but there's huge differences in operational characteristics
2008-01-15 00:31 < uberpenguin> though the small signal models are similar
2008-01-15 00:31 < NotACow> capacitance, for one
2008-01-15 00:32 * amidaniel doesn't do hardware :P
2008-01-15 00:32 < NotACow> internal resistance
2008-01-15 00:32 < NotACow> DC current
2008-01-15 00:32 < NotACow> breakdown voltage
2008-01-15 00:32 < uberpenguin> the differences are mostly in the biasing and the large-signal models
2008-01-15 00:32 < uberpenguin> small signal linear theory is pretty much the same between transistors and tubes
2008-01-15 00:33 < NotACow> the electronics books i learned from as a child din't cover semiconductors (other than crystal diodes) until book 4
2008-01-15 00:33 < uberpenguin> interestingly, the linear bias region of FETs is sometimes called the triode region
2008-01-15 00:33 < uberpenguin> for purely historical reasons
2008-01-15 00:33 < uberpenguin> you're not that old... must've been older books
2008-01-15 00:33 < NotACow> uberpenguin: public library in the 70s
2008-01-15 00:33 < uberpenguin> mm hm
2008-01-15 00:33 < NotACow> uberpenguin: probably wrtten in the mid to late 60s
2008-01-15 00:33 < uberpenguin> by the 70s they were phasing out tubes in universities
2008-01-15 00:34 < NotACow> uberpenguin: tubes were still widely in use in consumer electronics at this time
2008-01-15 00:34 < uberpenguin> of course
2008-01-15 00:34 < NotACow> uberpenguin: keep in mind that my father was a solid state physicist.
2008-01-15 00:34 < uberpenguin> especially televisions
2008-01-15 00:34 < uberpenguin> so you've mentioned
2008-01-15 00:34 < ronabop> They're still the rage with "audiophiles" now. ;)
2008-01-15 00:34 < uberpenguin> it took several years before they could practically replace the tubes in TVs with semiconductor devices
2008-01-15 00:34 < NotACow> ronabop: that's because tubes have better performance than transistors in high-power applications.
2008-01-15 00:35 < uberpenguin> the huge inductive kicks from the deflection coils would just fry early transistors
2008-01-15 00:35 < uberpenguin> NotACow: not really
2008-01-15 00:35 < uberpenguin> not at audio power levels, that is
2008-01-15 00:35 * ronabop ponders how many Gigawatts NotaCow plays his records with
2008-01-15 00:35 < NotACow> uberpenguin: well, recently that's gotten better. you still need tubes for high power RF applications.
2008-01-15 00:35 < uberpenguin> you wanna talk about transmission-level RF power, sure
2008-01-15 00:36 < uberpenguin> but high power RF and low power audio are very very different regimes
2008-01-15 00:36 < uberpenguin> and for audio, it's pretty difficult to make a convincing case that tubes are appreciably better
2008-01-15 00:37 < ronabop> "It sounds warmer!" <--hello, noise!
2008-01-15 00:37 < quanticle> ronabop: Dammit, you beat me to it
2008-01-15 00:37 < IceKarma> uberpenguin, I've read that the only case in which it matters is the kind of distortion when you run it beyond spec
2008-01-15 00:37 < uberpenguin> IceKarma: sort of
2008-01-15 00:38 < uberpenguin> IceKarma: what happens there is when you drive the amplifier out of its linear region and it begins to clip
2008-01-15 00:38 < IceKarma> ... but if you're overdriving your audio amplifier, well, _lose_.
2008-01-15 00:38 < uberpenguin> tubes and transistors clip differently, so an overdriven tube amp will sound different than an overdriven transistor amp
2008-01-15 00:38 < uberpenguin> unless you play guitar
2008-01-15 00:38 < ronabop> heh heh heh
2008-01-15 00:38 < uberpenguin> but it's actually irrelevant, you can simulate tube clipping with proper circuit design
2008-01-15 00:38 < IceKarma> well, _that's_ a special case
2008-01-15 00:38 < uberpenguin> so if you really want it to sound like an overdriven tube, you just design the circuit that way
2008-01-15 00:39 < uberpenguin> IceKarma: it's a fairly significant one, actually
2008-01-15 00:39 < uberpenguin> LOTS of guitarists insist on using tube amps
2008-01-15 00:39 < uberpenguin> even ones I know
2008-01-15 00:39 < amidaniel> We're talking about amps now? O.o
2008-01-15 00:39 < uberpenguin> amidaniel: sort of
2008-01-15 00:39 * ronabop points to pop-musicians who ride the distortion, not the notes or melody
2008-01-15 00:39 < amidaniel> Hrmkay
2008-01-15 00:40 < uberpenguin> it's not just pop musicians who use distortion...
2008-01-15 00:40 < uberpenguin> and the people who REALLY use it really can't be called pop
2008-01-15 00:40 < bumm13> indeed not
2008-01-15 00:40 < ronabop> pop-death-metal?
2008-01-15 00:40 < bumm13> although modern "metal" is shite
2008-01-15 00:40 < quanticle> ronabop: I didn't know 9 Inch Nails counted as "pop"
2008-01-15 00:40 < uberpenguin> well to cite an obvious example, Sigur Ros
2008-01-15 00:40 < amidaniel> bumm13: Depends which brand of "metal"
2008-01-15 00:41 * bumm13 stabs NIN
2008-01-15 00:41 < ronabop> LOL, Trent?
2008-01-15 00:41 * amidaniel agrees with bumm13 on NIN :)
2008-01-15 00:41 < quanticle> ronabop: Heh, yea
2008-01-15 00:41 < ronabop> That's not even a guitar. Amusing.
2008-01-15 00:41 * quanticle agrees with bumm13 as well
2008-01-15 00:41 < amidaniel> They're not .. uhh .. metal, though, are they?
2008-01-15 00:41 < quanticle> ronabop: Its undifferentiated electronic distorition
2008-01-15 00:41 < bumm13> Trent Reznor hides in a basement and fills up hard drives with stupid effects ;p
2008-01-15 00:41 * quanticle obeserves that he's hitting tab for regular words, not just usernames
2008-01-15 00:42 < amidaniel> quanticle: Lol, I do that a lot :)
2008-01-15 00:42 < ronabop> manson, POP. metallica, POP.
2008-01-15 00:42 < quanticle> bumm13: Oddly enough, that's probably why NIN stuff gets used for movies so much
2008-01-15 00:42 < bumm13> Metallica didn't use to be pop
2008-01-15 00:42 < bumm13> *used
2008-01-15 00:42 < amidaniel> Nor did Manson
2008-01-15 00:42 < ronabop> The big studio boys know to play on distortion, and the bands oblige.
2008-01-15 00:42 < bumm13> but yeah, they suck now
2008-01-15 00:42 < bumm13> Marilyn Manson?
2008-01-15 00:42 < amidaniel> Although, unlike Metallica, he always wanted to be pop :)
2008-01-15 00:43 < amidaniel> bumm13: Yeah
2008-01-15 00:43 < bumm13> he always sucked ;p
2008-01-15 00:43 < amidaniel> I rather like him myself, though I don't proudly admit it :)
2008-01-15 00:43 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-15 00:43 < amidaniel> He has brilliant lyrics .. the music doesn't do much for me though
2008-01-15 00:44 < amidaniel> bumm13: So whom do you like?
2008-01-15 00:44 < bumm13> a mix of non-country and non-rap :)
2008-01-15 00:45 < bumm13> (and non-modern pop)
2008-01-15 00:45 < amidaniel> Lol, alright :)
2008-01-15 00:45 < ronabop> acapella, then?
2008-01-15 00:45 < bumm13> eh, no :P
2008-01-15 00:45 < bumm13> a fair amount of obscure stuff
2008-01-15 00:45 < ronabop> tibetan throat signing?
2008-01-15 00:45 < bumm13> as well as older rock/hard rock/metal stuff
2008-01-15 00:45 < ronabop> *singing
2008-01-15 00:45 < bumm13> mostly-non-Motown oldies format stuff
2008-01-15 00:46 < bumm13> dashes and pinches of punk and new wave
2008-01-15 00:46 * bumm13 NP: Samson - Tomorrow or Yesterday (1979)
2008-01-15 00:46 * ronabop misses floyd, the scorps...
2008-01-15 00:46 < amidaniel> Hmm .. can't stand older hard rock / metal ... IMO, metal didn't evolve into anything decent until the 90's
2008-01-15 00:46 < Schroeder> sex penis
2008-01-15 00:46 < Schroeder> amidaniel: then you're an idiot
2008-01-15 00:46 < bumm13> sorry you feel that way :)
2008-01-15 00:47 < ronabop> 90's metal? What was left in the 90's?
2008-01-15 00:47 < amidaniel> Schroeder: Heh, that's a convincing argument :)
2008-01-15 00:47 < bumm13> not much ;)
2008-01-15 00:47 < bumm13> Megadeth did okay in the early/mid 90s
2008-01-15 00:47 < Schroeder> don't you ever, don't ever say die
2008-01-15 00:47 < Schroeder> never never, never say die
2008-01-15 00:47 < Schroeder> again
2008-01-15 00:47 < quanticle> die
2008-01-15 00:47 < bumm13> Metallica reemerged in 1996 as more blues-based "rock/metal"
2008-01-15 00:48 < bumm13> (musically)
2008-01-15 00:48 < amidaniel> Metallica was never any good, though did decent music up until the black album.
2008-01-15 00:49 < ronabop> I hear "90's metal" and think Queensryche 'Silent Lucidity". Soft rock ballads.
2008-01-15 00:49 < amidaniel> After that they turned into the pop sensation of metal, and their music was pure shite
2008-01-15 00:49 < quanticle> ronabop: Really, I think more DreamTheater/prog. rock in general
2008-01-15 00:49 < ronabop> lol, prog. rock?
2008-01-15 00:49 < Paine> ronabop: how dare you forget the heavy metal umlat?
2008-01-15 00:49 < Paine> Queensrÿche.
2008-01-15 00:50 < jtizzle1854> I'm wondering how movie studious put dvd region codes on dvds what device puts the codes on the disc? does anyone know or do I have to try and look it up on the net?
2008-01-15 00:50 * ronabop notes "prog rock" must have had some changes
2008-01-15 00:50 < bumm13> Queensryche is prog metal
2008-01-15 00:50 < amidaniel> jtizzle1854: It's just a byte code written to the disc.
2008-01-15 00:50 < quanticle> bumm13: Yeah, sorry, slip of the brain
2008-01-15 00:50 < bumm13> they're from Bellevue, Washington (eastside Seattle metro)
2008-01-15 00:51 < ronabop> bumm13: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock
2008-01-15 00:51 < quanticle> [[Neo-classical metal]] <-- wth?
2008-01-15 00:51 < bumm13> I know what prog is :P
2008-01-15 00:51 < bumm13> quanticle: Yngwie Malmsteen?
2008-01-15 00:51 < Paine> I dislike overclassification
2008-01-15 00:51 < Paine> to me there's "Rock", "metal", "dance", and "crap"
2008-01-15 00:52 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-15 00:52 < bumm13> some dislike oversimplification ;)
2008-01-15 00:52 * ronabop notes there's a constant war at [[Emo]] for those inclined
2008-01-15 00:52 < quanticle> Paine: What about non-dance electronica, e.g. Juno Reactor
2008-01-15 00:52 < jtizzle1854> amidaniel the movie studios computers write the byte code?
2008-01-15 00:52 < Paine> I'd throw it into dance anyway
2008-01-15 00:52 < bumm13> quanticle: video game music? ;)
2008-01-15 00:52 < ronabop> You can't dance to Juno?
2008-01-15 00:52 < Paine> juno reactor did a few things on the matrix osts?
2008-01-15 00:53 < ronabop> Very much so.
2008-01-15 00:53 < quanticle> Paine: Juno reactor did a lot of the matrix Ost
2008-01-15 00:53 < Paine> thought so
2008-01-15 00:53 < quanticle> Paine: Its funny, when I watched the matrix for the first time, I was able to recognize half the songs
2008-01-15 00:53 < Paine> ah, yes, mona lisa overdrive and such
2008-01-15 00:53 < quanticle> Paine: Don't forget Navras
2008-01-15 00:54 < ronabop> "God is God" (Off of Bible of Dreams) was a big goth club hit....
2008-01-15 00:54 < quanticle> ronabop: I actually own that disc. God is God is ok, but High Energy Protons was way cooler
2008-01-15 00:55 < amidaniel> jtizzle1854: Yes, it's just written by a standard dvd writer. If you have a dvd writer drive on your computer, you can write a region code to the disc too
2008-01-15 00:55 < amidaniel> I don't know the exact format for it, but I'm sure you can find a spec for it somewhere
2008-01-15 00:56 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-15 00:56 * quanticle actually likes the OST for Matrix Reloaded more than the original Matrix soundtrack
2008-01-15 00:56 * quanticle knows that he's in a vanishingly small minority
2008-01-15 00:56 * quanticle doesn't care
2008-01-15 00:57 < ronabop> You want non-dance electronica, go for Boyd Rice, Merzbow.
2008-01-15 00:57 < SNORLAX> haha merzbow
2008-01-15 00:58 < jtizzle1854> how did y'all get to this chatroom I found the link to it on wikipedia looking up mirc where'd did y'all find it? other than finding it on wikipedia I'd think that most people wouldn't find this chatroom since it's not listed on mirc you have to add it in the chatroom list
2008-01-15 00:59 < FastLizard4> jtizzle1854: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:IRC
2008-01-15 00:59 < quanticle> jtizzle1854: I actually found the link to this place off some Slashdot discussion regarding the Durova incident
2008-01-15 01:00 < IceKarma> error page.
2008-01-15 01:01 < jtizzle1854> what about y'all other people how'd u stumple across this chatroom?
2008-01-15 01:01 * uberpenguin has been on freenode since it was called open projects
2008-01-15 01:03 < FastLizard4> jtizzle1854: No one really cares...
2008-01-15 01:03 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-15 01:04 < jtizzle1854> i guess i'm just too inqusitive about stuff no one cares about
2008-01-15 01:05 < ronabop> Find 100 people in a project, there's a mailing list. 500, there's a forum. 1000, there's a chatroom. 20,000... there's everything.
2008-01-15 01:08 * ronabop notes that for such a small project, he has found the growth "bumps" charming
2008-01-15 01:10 * quanticle is off for the night
2008-01-15 01:11 < uberpenguin> http://www.jj-electronic.com/images/EL34.jpg
2008-01-15 01:11 < uberpenguin> geez, 25 W output from that tiny thing
2008-01-15 01:12 < ronabop> 25W waste?
2008-01-15 01:13 < uberpenguin> 25 W is basically the maximum class-A output
2008-01-15 01:21 * FastLizard4 has to go to bed, good night!
2008-01-15 01:21 < SinSeer> i DO really love wikipedia
2008-01-15 01:21 < FastLizard4> SinSeer: ...and...?
2008-01-15 01:22 < SinSeer> and that just needed to be said
2008-01-15 01:22 < SinSeer> oh come on
2008-01-15 01:22 < SinSeer> whats with the ctcps?
2008-01-15 01:30 < Mike_H> A quick-hitting snowstorm brought up to two feet of snow across portions of New England Sunday night and Monday. As of 7pm EST Monday Gardiner, Maine was the big winner with 20 inches of snow reported.
2008-01-15 01:30 < Mike_H> hah
2008-01-15 01:30 < Mike_H> the big winner
2008-01-15 01:33 < Lubaf> Who here eats ArbCommies for breakfast?
2008-01-15 01:34 < Lubaf> ArbComunists.
2008-01-15 01:34 < Lubaf> ArbCommunications?
2008-01-15 01:34 < Lubaf> ArbComputers?
2008-01-15 01:34 < Lubaf> Arbies?
2008-01-15 01:34 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-15 01:34 < NotACow> arbitootles
2008-01-15 01:39 * ronabop votes for ArbChocula
2008-01-15 01:40 < Luna-San> How telling: protect a page so four or five people stop edit warring and actually talk about things... and they all lose interest
2008-01-15 01:43 < bumm13> howdy Mike_H
2008-01-15 01:44 < ronabop> Luna-San: some folks like the fight more than the outcome.
2008-01-15 01:45 < Luna-San> Yep. =\
2008-01-15 01:46 < FrikkinLazer> HI
2008-01-15 01:47 < Luna-San> Allo'
2008-01-15 01:49 < Rastrojo> It's down
2008-01-15 01:50 < Luna-San> ?
2008-01-15 01:50 < Rastrojo> Wikipedia is down
2008-01-15 01:50 < Rinn> [[is Wikipedia down?]]
2008-01-15 01:50 < Rinn> Doesn't look down to me.
2008-01-15 01:50 < ronabop> {fact}
2008-01-15 01:50 < Rastrojo> yep for me
2008-01-15 01:50 < Rastrojo> almost en. es. and fr.
2008-01-15 01:51 < Rastrojo> Request: GET http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor%C3%ADa:Wikipedia:Borrar_%28definitivo%29, from 91.198.174.16 via knsq23.knams.wikimedia.org (squid/2.6.STABLE18) to ()
2008-01-15 01:51 < Rastrojo> Error: ERR_CANNOT_FORWARD, errno (11) Resource temporarily unavailable at Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:51:00 GMT
2008-01-15 01:51 < NotACow> http://community.livejournal.com/wikipedians/125058.html <- DRAMAH!
2008-01-15 01:51 < NotACow> DEATH TO SQUID
2008-01-15 01:51 < UncleKenny> wiki dead :-(
2008-01-15 01:51 < bumm13> Rastrojo: those are Wikipedia cache server errors
2008-01-15 01:51 < bumm13> just be patient
2008-01-15 01:52 < NotACow> it'll come back
2008-01-15 01:52 < NotACow> or not
2008-01-15 01:52 < NotACow> if it doesn't, then it's time to go register at Citizendium!
2008-01-15 01:52 < UncleKenny> well i don't know what that means
2008-01-15 01:52 < bumm13> UncleKenny: it means something is foofoo
2008-01-15 01:52 < UncleKenny> and i came online for a read too :-(
2008-01-15 01:52 < bumm13> they'll get it fixed
2008-01-15 01:52 < UncleKenny> foofoo :-)
2008-01-15 01:52 < bumm13> (patience)
2008-01-15 01:53 < UncleKenny> i don't have any patience - all my patience are cured!
2008-01-15 01:53 < UncleKenny> can you tell i'm tired?
2008-01-15 01:53 < bumm13> here come the hordes....
2008-01-15 01:53 < UncleKenny> i'm not making any sense
2008-01-15 01:53 < UncleKenny> whores?
2008-01-15 01:53 < bumm13> ...
2008-01-15 01:53 < UncleKenny> ...
2008-01-15 01:53 < UncleKenny> why's there no @ in here?
2008-01-15 01:53 < UncleKenny> haha
2008-01-15 01:53 < bumm13> not needed
2008-01-15 01:54 < UncleKenny> cos it's not full of fools?
2008-01-15 01:54 < bumm13> only when certain types appear
2008-01-15 01:54 < UncleKenny> hmmm, my backup server just crashed. what's going on Jeeves?
2008-01-15 01:55 * UncleKenny Jeeves is dead
2008-01-15 01:55 < UncleKenny> ERROR
2008-01-15 01:55 < bumm13> that's nice....
2008-01-15 01:55 < UncleKenny> well, it never does
2008-01-15 01:56 < UncleKenny> I was hoping to read a Wiki article on "Women", having never seen one
2008-01-15 01:56 * UncleKenny is bored
2008-01-15 01:56 < Paine> "iffy" is an awesome status.
2008-01-15 01:57 < till__> :P
2008-01-15 01:57 < till__> Request: GET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempodrom, from 91.198.174.35 via knsq2.knams.wikimedia.org (squid/2.6.STABLE18) to ()
2008-01-15 01:57 < till__> Error: ERR_CANNOT_FORWARD, errno (11) Resource temporarily unavailable at Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:56:23 GMT
2008-01-15 01:57 < till__> just thought i added this in here
2008-01-15 01:58 < Luna-San> It appears to be the end of the world. Panic? (yes/no)
2008-01-15 01:58 < bumm13> please don't flood error messages, we understand the squid cache servers are acting up
2008-01-15 01:58 < UncleKenny> y
2008-01-15 01:58 < UncleKenny> squid
2008-01-15 01:58 < Rastrojo> UP
2008-01-15 01:58 < bumm13> hiya Mark_Ryan
2008-01-15 01:58 < UncleKenny> ?
2008-01-15 01:58 < Rinn> DOWN
2008-01-15 01:58 < UncleKenny> IFFY
2008-01-15 01:58 < Mark_Ryan> hullo
2008-01-15 01:59 < Rastrojo> es.wikipedia almost go
2008-01-15 01:59 < UncleKenny> en.wikipedia is back :D
2008-01-15 02:00 < UncleKenny> bloody leprechauns!
2008-01-15 02:00 < SonicAD17768> heh, the hearings over steroids in baseball are gonna be on C-SPAN2
2008-01-15 02:00 < Rastrojo> I leave
2008-01-15 02:00 < bumm13> yay witchhunts!
2008-01-15 02:00 < SonicAD17768> amusingly, my TV just changed to C-SPAN2 immediately after I said that
2008-01-15 02:00 < SonicAD17768> all by itself
2008-01-15 02:00 < SonicAD17768> because of an emergency system test
2008-01-15 02:01 < UncleKenny> huh?
2008-01-15 02:03 * Cyrius has never had a tv change its channel
2008-01-15 02:03 < Cyrius> on its own, I should say
2008-01-15 02:04 < FrikkinLazer> spookery
2008-01-15 02:06 < Viele-baeren> hi
2008-01-15 02:06 < bumm13> hi
2008-01-15 02:06 < UncleKenny> aye
2008-01-15 02:08 < till__> bumm13: maybe put a message up on the page saying that so, or maybe put in a better status than "iffy", not like people can mind-read
2008-01-15 02:08 < The359> FUBAR
2008-01-15 02:08 < UncleKenny> dodgy
2008-01-15 02:09 < The359> Unknown
2008-01-15 02:30 < ronabop> "we are measuring the speed of our heisen-proxies, so their state may be unknown."
2008-01-15 02:49 < Rinn> Smash Bros. Brawl delayed again!
2008-01-15 02:54 < Luna-San> I just hope it comes out before Duke Nukem, at this rate...
2008-01-15 02:56 < Suva> Wee, Duke Nukem!
2008-01-15 03:13 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> I'm like the Hamburglar, but gayer.
2008-01-15 03:13 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> ROBBLE ROBBLE. (fierce)
2008-01-15 03:14 < Davo_Dinkum> you rob people of their virginity?
2008-01-15 03:15 < Mike_H> no, that's POUNDLE POUNDLE
2008-01-15 03:16 < Davo_Dinkum> i thought it was BAM BAM
2008-01-15 03:25 < Suva> Spamburger
2008-01-15 03:38 < LA2> is there any celebration of [[Wikipedia day]]?
2008-01-15 03:40 * Rinn throws confetti
2008-01-15 03:40 < Rinn> That's the apex of our celebration.
2008-01-15 03:41 < Rinn> Oh, and someone changed the topic.
2008-01-15 03:41 * FrikkinLazer throws a bucket
2008-01-15 03:44 < Luna-San> LA2: Let's edit war about it!
2008-01-15 03:46 < LA2> yeah, we could cut some articles into confetti and throw it all over the other articles. It would be a mess to piece it all together afterwards.
2008-01-15 03:52 < brown_cat_nap> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QsSiZ0kH9o0&feature=bz302 <-- i hope they kill this kid
2008-01-15 03:54 < Luna-San> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=508136&in_page_id=1770&ito=1490 <-- priceless pic
2008-01-15 03:54 < Luna-San> Ahh, is that the kid who (might) get billed for $20k or however much>?
2008-01-15 03:55 < brown_cat_nap> yep :p
2008-01-15 03:56 < brown_cat_nap> Luna-San: watch the video - they interview him (not the footage they keep on showing) it is sooo good
2008-01-15 03:56 < brown_cat_nap> the kid has no balls
2008-01-15 03:56 < Luna-San> That kid is woah. I'd only read this, so far.
2008-01-15 03:56 < Davo_Dinkum> whats he getting billed for?
2008-01-15 03:56 < brown_cat_nap> 500 person party
2008-01-15 03:56 < Luna-San> Destruction of property, I think, both neighbors' and cops'
2008-01-15 03:56 < Luna-San> Following a rather rowdy party
2008-01-15 03:56 < brown_cat_nap> she asks him to take off his glasses and he is like "no because they are famous"
2008-01-15 03:57 < Luna-San> "Rather rowdy." That's gotta be loser += lots
2008-01-15 03:57 < Davo_Dinkum> this kid? http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/party-boy-goes-global/2008/01/15/1200159414201.html
2008-01-15 03:58 < brown_cat_nap> yep
2008-01-15 03:58 < Luna-San> "Are you sorry?" "Uh... yeah... yeah... I am."
2008-01-15 03:59 < brown_cat_nap> wait till the end
2008-01-15 03:59 < Davo_Dinkum> lol
2008-01-15 03:59 < Davo_Dinkum> why interviewed him?
2008-01-15 03:59 < brown_cat_nap> aca host
2008-01-15 03:59 < brown_cat_nap> "what do you want to say to other kids thinking of making a party like this" "get me to do it"
2008-01-15 03:59 < brown_cat_nap> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QsSiZ0kH9o0&feature=bz302
2008-01-15 04:00 < Davo_Dinkum> hahhahahahaha get me to do it
2008-01-15 04:00 < Cyrius> http://www.lasagnacat.com/FinalFantasy.mov
2008-01-15 04:00 < Cyrius> I think I may have ingested some sort of hallucinogen
2008-01-15 04:00 < brown_cat_nap> this kid pisses me off more then [[UserDavid Shankbone]]
2008-01-15 04:00 < brown_cat_nap> *User:
2008-01-15 04:01 < Luna-San> Have to say, though, I'm not really sure how he alone could be held liable for all that.
2008-01-15 04:01 < Davo_Dinkum> it was a team effort :D
2008-01-15 04:01 < brown_cat_nap> Luna-San: he started it
2008-01-15 04:01 < Davo_Dinkum> the media is just chasing him cos he organised it and it ws his house
2008-01-15 04:02 < Davo_Dinkum> and chasing 1 person is easier than chasing 500 guests
2008-01-15 04:02 < Davo_Dinkum> *was his house
2008-01-15 04:02 < Luna-San> I think it's really more along what Davo said -- he's liable because they can nail him, not because it's entirely his fault.
2008-01-15 04:02 < Luna-San> Certainly he's an idiot and at fault, but that's not all there is to it.
2008-01-15 04:03 < Davo_Dinkum> but it much easier to make viewers believe that it's his fault
2008-01-15 04:03 < Davo_Dinkum> *its much
2008-01-15 04:03 < Luna-San> He's the Ring Leader. Probably planned it from the start!
2008-01-15 04:03 < Davo_Dinkum> oh noes run
2008-01-15 04:04 < Luna-San> It's like the Warhammer 40K fluff, where a few commanders go rogue and somehow *all* of their troops just go along with it.
2008-01-15 04:04 < Davo_Dinkum> heh
2008-01-15 04:04 < Luna-San> "Betray my country and homeland? Yes, sir, just because you said so!"
2008-01-15 04:08 < Mike_H> The upscale mall, anchored by Bloomingdale's, Lord & Taylor, Neiman Marcus, Nordstrom, JCPenney, Macy's and Sears and one vacant department store, has over 400 stores and restaurants.
2008-01-15 04:08 < Mike_H> That's like mall heaven.
2008-01-15 04:09 < Mike_H> Due to the mall's size, several stores rent more than one space. For example, the mall has three Sunglass Hut Internationals, three Auntie Anne's Pretzels, three Hallmark Cards shops, two Coach stores, two The Body Shops, two Bath & Body Works, three Victoria's Secrets, two Starbucks, two Gamestop stores, two General Nutrition Center stores, two AT&T stores, and two Teavana stores.
2008-01-15 04:09 < Davo_Dinkum> only *2* starbucks?
2008-01-15 04:09 < Cyrius> even normal malls have two starbucks =)
2008-01-15 04:10 < Davo_Dinkum> nowai
2008-01-15 04:10 < Davo_Dinkum> but i saw that simpsons episode where every shop in the mall was going to be a starbucks
2008-01-15 04:10 < Luna-San> More Victoria's Secrets than Starbucks? o.o
2008-01-15 04:10 < Davo_Dinkum> must be true
2008-01-15 04:10 < IceKarma> there were -three- Starbucks on a corner here in Vancouver
2008-01-15 04:10 < Luna-San> Haha, yeah
2008-01-15 04:11 < bumm13> Mike_H: which mall is that?
2008-01-15 04:11 < Mike_H> bumm13: The King of Prussia Mall
2008-01-15 04:11 < bumm13> IceKarma: it's worse in Seattle :x
2008-01-15 04:11 < Mike_H> Opened in 1971 and renovated in 1987, Cordova Mall boasts 861,000 square feet of commercial property, with seven anchor stores. Four are situated in the mall (Dillard's Men's, Dillard's Women's, Belk, and Ross Dress for Less), and three are located in an open-air atmosphere (Best Buy, Bed, Bath and Beyond and Cost Plus World Market).
2008-01-15 04:11 < Mike_H> and that's my mall from back home
2008-01-15 04:12 < mavhk> is there really that much of a demand for anchors?
2008-01-15 04:12 < Mike_H> mavhk: Anchors basically make a mall in the US.
2008-01-15 04:12 < Mike_H> Every typical enclosed mall has at least two.
2008-01-15 04:12 < bumm13> yeah
2008-01-15 04:12 < Mike_H> The average is usually 3-5.
2008-01-15 04:12 < Mike_H> It's rare for a mall to have seven, like that one.
2008-01-15 04:12 < Davo_Dinkum> Anchors?
2008-01-15 04:13 < Mike_H> Department stores who have more space than smaller stores, usually at least ten or fifteen times.
2008-01-15 04:13 < Davo_Dinkum> ah
2008-01-15 04:13 < bumm13> the largest mall in the Northwest U.S. is the [[Clackamas Town Center]]
2008-01-15 04:13 < bumm13> (not counting the SuperMall of the Great Northwest in Auburn, WA)
2008-01-15 04:13 < Mike_H> the fancy mall here is International Plaza
2008-01-15 04:14 < Mike_H> International Plaza and Bay Street is a large upscale shopping mall located in the Westshore business district of Tampa, Florida.
2008-01-15 04:14 < Mike_H> The mall proper is anchored by the department stores Nordstrom, Dillard's, Robb & Stucky Interiors and Neiman Marcus.
2008-01-15 04:14 < SNORLAX> [[International Drive]] is one long ass mall
2008-01-15 04:14 < Mike_H> SNORLAX: Which mall has the Bloomie's?
2008-01-15 04:14 < Mike_H> Millenia?
2008-01-15 04:14 < Mike_H> or the Florida Mall?
2008-01-15 04:14 < SNORLAX> I have no idea
2008-01-15 04:15 < Mike_H> bumm13: and then there's WestShore Plaza
2008-01-15 04:15 < Mike_H> it has Sears, JCPenney, Macy's...
2008-01-15 04:15 < Mike_H> ...and, inexplicably, Saks.
2008-01-15 04:16 < Davo_Dinkum> someone squashed the car http://www.theage.com.au/news/technology/times-up-for-petrol-cars-says-gm/2008/01/14/1200159401944.html
2008-01-15 04:18 < mavhk> Mike_H: I assumed it must be a fishing town
2008-01-15 04:18 < Mike_H> a fishing town?
2008-01-15 04:18 < Mike_H> Tampa is a part of the Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater metropolitan area, most commonly referred to as the "Tampa Bay Area". The four-county area is composed of roughly 2.7 million residents, making it the second largest metropolitan statistical area (MSA) in the state, and the third largest in the Southeastern United States behind Miami and Atlanta.
2008-01-15 04:18 < mavhk> needing lots of anchors
2008-01-15 04:18 < Mike_H> oh.
2008-01-15 04:18 < Mike_H> har.
2008-01-15 04:19 < Mike_H> bumm13: Back home, there are two Belks.
2008-01-15 04:19 < Mike_H> one in each mall.
2008-01-15 04:19 < bumm13> ah
2008-01-15 04:19 < Mike_H> My mother says they're converting the Belk at University to a Macy's, though.
2008-01-15 04:19 < bumm13> interesting
2008-01-15 04:20 < Mike_H> that would be a first, too, we don't have a Macy's
2008-01-15 04:21 < brown_cat_nap> does anyone know when the 2008 apple keynote is?
2008-01-15 04:21 < Cyrius> tomorrow, 9am pacific
2008-01-15 04:21 < brown_cat_nap> the MS one was great :D
2008-01-15 04:21 < Cyrius> or rather, today
2008-01-15 04:21 < brown_cat_nap> Cyrius: umm, in how many hours (I am in aus)
2008-01-15 04:21 < Cyrius> tuesday the 15th!
2008-01-15 04:21 < Cyrius> lemme do the math
2008-01-15 04:22 < Cyrius> roughly 6.5 hours
2008-01-15 04:22 < brown_cat_nap> thank you ^_^
2008-01-15 04:22 * brown_cat_nap hugs Cyrius
2008-01-15 04:22 < Cyrius> assuming I haven't botched it
2008-01-15 04:22 < brown_cat_nap> this will be a bitch to watch - it will be on at 1am -_-
2008-01-15 04:23 < brown_cat_nap> omg, Cyrius see the pic at http://www.apple.com/ ^_^
2008-01-15 04:23 * brown_cat_nap is excited
2008-01-15 04:23 < brown_cat_nap> :D
2008-01-15 04:23 * brown_cat_nap is as happy as the people on the viagra ads :D
2008-01-15 04:23 < Davo_Dinkum> what are you fapping to?
2008-01-15 04:23 < Cyrius> Davo_Dinkum: the _idea_ of new apple products, it seems
2008-01-15 04:24 < brown_cat_nap> xD
2008-01-15 04:24 < brown_cat_nap> Davo_Dinkum: I am in love with apple (not ipods, they suck!)
2008-01-15 04:24 < IceKarma> Cyrius, at the end of the day, really not so bizarre a fetish, comparatively
2008-01-15 04:24 < Davo_Dinkum> lol cotradicting
2008-01-15 04:24 < Davo_Dinkum> so why do ipods suck?
2008-01-15 04:24 < brown_cat_nap> everyone has them
2008-01-15 04:25 < Cyrius> IceKarma: they do make pretty hardware
2008-01-15 04:25 < Davo_Dinkum> that's the only reason?
2008-01-15 04:25 < brown_cat_nap> they encourage people to do the same thing as each other
2008-01-15 04:25 < Davo_Dinkum> no shit
2008-01-15 04:25 < brown_cat_nap> and not be unique or different
2008-01-15 04:25 < brown_cat_nap> brb, smoking to look kool xD
2008-01-15 04:25 < brown_cat_nap> jk
2008-01-15 04:25 < Cyrius> ...should apple encourage people to buy other companies' mp3 players?
2008-01-15 04:25 < brown_cat_nap> no
2008-01-15 04:26 < brown_cat_nap> I want everyone to but apple stuff, lots of it
2008-01-15 04:26 < Davo_Dinkum> yes
2008-01-15 04:26 < Davo_Dinkum> apple stinks
2008-01-15 04:26 * brown_cat_nap looks at apple share price
2008-01-15 04:26 < brown_cat_nap> O-o
2008-01-15 04:26 * brown_cat_nap slaps Davo_Dinkum
2008-01-15 04:26 < Cyrius> Davo_Dinkum: that was a stupid suggestion intended to point out the flaws in brown_cat_nap's complaint
2008-01-15 04:26 < Davo_Dinkum> their DRM dishonors my family
2008-01-15 04:26 < Davo_Dinkum> what suggestion?
2008-01-15 04:27 < Davo_Dinkum> and EFI is really evil
2008-01-15 04:27 < brown_cat_nap> drm does scuk
2008-01-15 04:27 < Cyrius> ...the one I just made? about apple promoting...
2008-01-15 04:27 < Cyrius> nevermind.
2008-01-15 04:27 < Davo_Dinkum> EFI is like 10x worse than BIOS
2008-01-15 04:27 < brown_cat_nap> but a mediagate, add all your stuff to it - 1000000 X better then apple tv
2008-01-15 04:28 < ronabop> Apple's inflated. Pre-"annoucement".
2008-01-15 04:28 < Cyrius> ronabop: well, they did upgrade their towers, people are assuming they want the extra time for something
2008-01-15 04:29 < brown_cat_nap> ronabop: did you see the MS keynote? they showed some real impressive stuff
2008-01-15 04:29 < Davo_Dinkum> time?
2008-01-15 04:29 < Davo_Dinkum> oh nm
2008-01-15 04:29 < Cyrius> wait, wait, I think I did mess up that time thing
2008-01-15 04:29 < ronabop> prolly just a quad-core arm-top or somesuch. :)
2008-01-15 04:30 < brown_cat_nap> I hope it is a new macbook pro :D
2008-01-15 04:30 < Cyrius> 7.5 hours
2008-01-15 04:30 < brown_cat_nap> or a tablet :d
2008-01-15 04:30 < Cyrius> it's 1:30 am US pacific now
2008-01-15 04:30 < Cyrius> that's what I get for trying to convert things around
2008-01-15 04:30 < Cyrius> keynote scheduled start at 9am pacific
2008-01-15 04:31 < ronabop> Newton is Dead, PDA is alive! *sigh*
2008-01-15 04:31 < Davo_Dinkum> either way apple will dick you
2008-01-15 04:31 < brown_cat_nap> so, 2am my time *sigh*
2008-01-15 04:31 < brown_cat_nap> Davo_Dinkum: that made no sense
2008-01-15 04:31 < Cyrius> brown_cat_nap: meh, go to sleep, get up, read about whatever it is
2008-01-15 04:32 < brown_cat_nap> :'(
2008-01-15 04:32 < brown_cat_nap> Cyrius: I am too excited :(
2008-01-15 04:32 < Davo_Dinkum> i meant it doesnt matter what new products they release
2008-01-15 04:32 < brown_cat_nap> I love my apples
2008-01-15 04:32 < Davo_Dinkum> you still get dicked
2008-01-15 04:32 < Davo_Dinkum> *you'll still
2008-01-15 04:32 < ronabop> get a dell (and a surfer dude!)
2008-01-15 04:32 < brown_cat_nap> I will bet you I will end up staying up, and finding out that the ipod can now hold an extra 3 gigs or something sucky -_-
2008-01-15 04:33 < Davo_Dinkum> maybe you should go to bed then
2008-01-15 04:33 < brown_cat_nap> OMG!
2008-01-15 04:34 < brown_cat_nap> YAY!
2008-01-15 04:44 < Painezor> I wonder if the guy from assassin's creed ever picks his nose..
2008-01-15 04:44 < Painezor> that could be messy..
2008-01-15 04:50 < mavhk> Davo_Dinkum: what's wrong with EFI?
2008-01-15 04:51 < Davo_Dinkum> it's bloated
2008-01-15 04:52 < mavhk> in what way?
2008-01-15 04:56 < Davo_Dinkum> it's too complicated. it's just a bootloader
2008-01-15 05:01 < mavhk> if it were just a bootloader it would be
2008-01-15 05:40 < James_Br0wn> :)
2008-01-15 05:43 * Rinn yawns
2008-01-15 05:46 < Drunken_Idiot> Rinn: Ello
2008-01-15 05:52 < ronabop> EHLO: 550 bad_server
2008-01-15 06:04 < IRCMonkey> mmm
2008-01-15 06:05 < Chrisgrant_> Hello
2008-01-15 06:06 < Mike_H> Seven cities are now vying for the 2016 Summer Olympics.
2008-01-15 06:06 < Mike_H> Baku, Chicago, Doha, Madrid, Prague, Rio and Tokyo.
2008-01-15 06:07 < nazgjunk> Eindhoven is already working on 2028
2008-01-15 06:07 < nazgjunk> >.>
2008-01-15 06:09 < jhattara> Baku ?!?
2008-01-15 06:09 < jhattara> that would be interesting
2008-01-15 06:09 < jhattara> Doha sounds also quite exotic for the olympics
2008-01-15 06:11 < jhattara> i'd like to see olympics in new countries so of those I would like either Baku, Doha, Prague or Rio de Janeiro to be selected
2008-01-15 06:11 < NotASpy> hmm, I doubt Madrid and Prague will have much of a chance, coming right after another European city.
2008-01-15 06:12 < jhattara> that's true
2008-01-15 06:12 < jhattara> and americans have had their fair share of olympics recently
2008-01-15 06:12 < NotASpy> perhaps it's time to have the Olympics being rotated through the 5 continents/areas and cities then bid when the Olympics are within their region.
2008-01-15 06:13 < jhattara> that would be nice
2008-01-15 06:13 < Mike_H> jhattara: The article says that Baku and Prague are long shots.
2008-01-15 06:13 < jhattara> that would mean that Doha and Rio would be my favorites of the serious candidates
2008-01-15 06:13 < Mike_H> and you know, the same could be said of London winning for 2012 (haven't they hosted it like three times?)
2008-01-15 06:14 < Mike_H> I mean, they haven't recently
2008-01-15 06:14 < Mike_H> but damn
2008-01-15 06:14 < jhattara> yup, both 1908 and 1948 were hosted in London also
2008-01-15 06:14 < NotASpy> Mike_H: London sort of got landed with the Olympics in the past, lack of funds to hold it elsewhere really.
2008-01-15 06:14 < Mike_H> That's how we got the '84 Olympics
2008-01-15 06:15 < jhattara> but the bids were quite a few for the 2012 games
2008-01-15 06:15 < Mike_H> The '76 Olympics in Montreal were a failure, and I don't think anyone bid on it other than L.A. in '84
2008-01-15 06:16 < Mike_H> The 1984 Summer Olympics, officially known as the Games of the XXIII Olympiad, were held in 1984 in Los Angeles, California, United States. Los Angeles was selected on May 18, 1978 on the 80th IOC session at Athens, Greece, without voting, because it was the only city to bid to host the 1984 Summer Olympics.
2008-01-15 06:16 < jhattara> all the cities had either organized games before: Moscow (1980) Paris (1900,1924), or had olympic games hosted recently in other cities of the same country: New York City (1984 LA, 1996 Atlanta) Madrid (1992 Barcelona)
2008-01-15 06:16 < Mike_H> For the 1980 Olympics only Moscow and Los Angeles bid.
2008-01-15 06:17 < NotASpy> especially in 1948, most of Europe was obliterated, as was Asia, it probably, in terms of Common Sense should have been held in America, but I think there was a strong feeling to have it in Europe to aid the reconciliation and such.
2008-01-15 06:17 < Mike_H> The U.S. has held the Olympics four times
2008-01-15 06:17 < Mike_H> 1904, 1932, 1984 and 1996
2008-01-15 06:17 < Mike_H> well, the summer ones anyway
2008-01-15 06:18 < jhattara> and two winter games IIRC (Salt Lake City 2002, Lake Placid 1980)
2008-01-15 06:18 < Mike_H> more than that
2008-01-15 06:18 < NotASpy> there's also the Winter Olympics, which the US has had, whilst countries like Britain and Spain haven't.
2008-01-15 06:18 < jhattara> looks four winter games
2008-01-15 06:18 < Mike_H> 1960
2008-01-15 06:18 < Mike_H> in Squaw Valley
2008-01-15 06:19 < jhattara> Salt Lake City 2002, Lake Placid 1980, 1932 and Squaw Valley 1960
2008-01-15 06:19 < Mike_H> NotASpy: Can Britain accommodate the Winter Olympics?
2008-01-15 06:19 < jhattara> only three major winter sports countries that haven't held winter olympics
2008-01-15 06:20 < jhattara> Russia, Sweden and Finland
2008-01-15 06:20 < NotASpy> not really. Our winter weather is really hit and miss, we would manage this winter quite easily, but some winters, there's no snow at all.
2008-01-15 06:20 < jhattara> and Russia had their bid through now
2008-01-15 06:20 < Mike_H> NotASpy: Well, I know Spain definitely couldn't
2008-01-15 06:20 < Mike_H> I would love for the IOC to be like
2008-01-15 06:20 < Mike_H> "THE NEXT WINTER OLYMPICS IS IN IBIZA LULZ"
2008-01-15 06:21 < NotASpy> Spain might, actually...
2008-01-15 06:21 < Mike_H> Spain has too much of a mediterranean climate.
2008-01-15 06:22 < NotASpy> they've also got proper mountains and ski resorts in the North.
2008-01-15 06:22 < jhattara> it's too bad that we couldn't hold proper slalom and bobsleigh/luge events here in Finland
2008-01-15 06:22 < NotASpy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Formigal1.jpg
2008-01-15 06:22 < Mike_H> They could go to France for the real thing
2008-01-15 06:22 < Mike_H> which they have.
2008-01-15 06:22 < Mike_H> three times.
2008-01-15 06:22 < Mike_H> (Chamonix, Grenoble, Albertville)
2008-01-15 06:23 < NotASpy> who would want to go to France ?
2008-01-15 06:23 < jhattara> 1924 Chamonix, 1968 Grenoble, 1992 Albertville
2008-01-15 06:23 < NastyAccident> anybody know a good 'disco' track?
2008-01-15 06:23 < Mike_H> Peggy Fleming, for one
2008-01-15 06:23 < Mike_H> she won the gold at Grenoble.
2008-01-15 06:23 < Mike_H> NastyAccident: Fly, Robin, Fly
2008-01-15 06:23 < NastyAccident> Danke!
2008-01-15 06:23 < jhattara> Sweden should bid for the winter olympics
2008-01-15 06:23 < NotASpy> even illegal immigrants can't wait to get out of France.
2008-01-15 06:23 < NastyAccident> <-- iTunes'er
2008-01-15 06:24 < NotASpy> where's the Wintery Olympics off to next time ?
2008-01-15 06:24 < Mike_H> Vancouver.
2008-01-15 06:24 < Mike_H> This is the first time Canada has hosted the Winter Olympics, right?
2008-01-15 06:24 < jhattara> Vancouver, Canada 2010 and Sochi, Russia 2014 are the next two winter games
2008-01-15 06:24 < Mike_H> No
2008-01-15 06:24 < Mike_H> the second
2008-01-15 06:25 < NotASpy> then Back in the USSR...
2008-01-15 06:25 < Mike_H> they also did Calgary
2008-01-15 06:25 < Mike_H> in 1988
2008-01-15 06:25 < jhattara> 1988 the games were in Calgary
2008-01-15 06:25 < Mike_H> I wonder if the Olympics will move China closer to democracy
2008-01-15 06:25 < Mike_H> like what happened with Seoul leading up to 1988.
2008-01-15 06:26 < jhattara> i doubt it
2008-01-15 06:27 < NotASpy> I'd love to see China as a democracy, it's such a wonderful country and a lot of the population have more of an idea about democracy than the Russians did when they abolished Communism.
2008-01-15 06:27 < Mike_H> I think Russia's headed back to those days