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2008-01-14 21:54 < Not_the_NSA> Monobi: O.o
2008-01-14 21:54 < Monobi> o.O
2008-01-14 21:54 < Monobi> lots of pings
2008-01-14 21:56 < Parkin_m> time for a test
2008-01-14 21:56 < Parkin_m> ;) ;)
2008-01-14 21:56 < Dtobias> Well, Brandt does monitor and log this channel, so from time to time I have to say things like "Daniel Brandt is a doody-head" that wind up in his site.
2008-01-14 21:56 < Leslie_S> daniel brand is a doody head
2008-01-14 21:57 < Parkin_m> ~wiki cookie
2008-01-14 21:57 < [p]bot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cookie
2008-01-14 21:57 < Parkin_m> ~wiki cookiefaieufbaeufa
2008-01-14 21:57 < [p]bot> No exact page exists, search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=cookiefaieufbaeufa&fulltext=Search
2008-01-14 21:57 < Parkin_m> hahahaha awesome :>
2008-01-14 21:57 < placebo_effect> ~wiki Awesome
2008-01-14 21:57 < [p]bot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awesome
2008-01-14 21:58 < Parkin_m> :> :>
2008-01-14 21:58 < bumm13> ah, an unauthorized IRC bot, eh?
2008-01-14 21:58 < Parkin_m> !throw
2008-01-14 21:58 * [p]bot suddenly spots a phone and can't resist the urge to kick it into the channel
2008-01-14 21:58 * Parkin_m hides
2008-01-14 21:58 < bumm13> :P
2008-01-14 21:58 < bumm13> could you keep your bot quiet, please?
2008-01-14 21:59 < Parkin_m> indeed
2008-01-14 21:59 < Parkin_m> thanks for the help all, would of been impossible without you
2008-01-14 22:00 < amidaniel> Parkin_m: Do not bring bots into this channel.
2008-01-14 22:02 < Monobi> Parkin_m, we'll roast you if you bring it back it :p
2008-01-14 22:03 < NotACow> DEATH TO BOTS
2008-01-14 22:03 < Parkin_m> lol...
2008-01-14 22:04 < NotACow> bots are evil
2008-01-14 22:05 < NotACow> and not the right kind of evil, either
2008-01-14 22:06 < SNORLAX> DEATH TO LOL
2008-01-14 22:06 < Davo_Dinkum> DEATH TO DEATH
2008-01-14 22:06 * Parkin_m claps
2008-01-14 22:06 < NotACow> KITTEN ATTACK IMMIMENT! TAKE COVER!
2008-01-14 22:07 < Monobi> lolbots
2008-01-14 22:10 * Mike_H NP: The Supremes - I Hear a Symphony (1965)
2008-01-14 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> my girlfriend just called to comment on the goatee I'm growing in
2008-01-14 22:14 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-01-14 22:14 * Ceiling_Cat has a [[van dyke beard]]
2008-01-14 22:14 < Davo_Dinkum> "in"?
2008-01-14 22:14 < Leslie_S> oh god, my drama class is totally full of jocks
2008-01-14 22:14 < Leslie_S> we did introductions today. 99% of the class said they were there "to get humanities credits"
2008-01-14 22:14 < Davo_Dinkum> heh
2008-01-14 22:14 < Davo_Dinkum> you can do a play about football
2008-01-14 22:15 < Leslie_S> ....
2008-01-14 22:16 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm - I forget, are you in the greater philly area?
2008-01-14 22:17 < Monobi2> bumm13 = pennsylvanian ?
2008-01-14 22:20 < IceKarma> Leslie_S, a little eye candy is always nice to help the time pass
2008-01-14 22:20 < Ceiling_Cat> IceKarma - is that the high class way of saying pixxxxx plz?
2008-01-14 22:21 < IceKarma> Ceiling_Cat, naw, I have enough "look but can't touch" eye candy here
2008-01-14 22:23 < Davo_Dinkum> running compiz are you?
2008-01-14 22:23 < Xihix> Am I banned still?
2008-01-14 22:24 < Davo_Dinkum> yes
2008-01-14 22:24 < Xihix> darn it.
2008-01-14 22:24 < Xihix> All I did was ask if anyone had seen female nipples before...
2008-01-14 22:28 < Leslie_S> i own female nipples
2008-01-14 22:28 < Pilotguy> Xihix- No, it's expired
2008-01-14 22:28 < Davo_Dinkum> 0wn3d
2008-01-14 22:29 < Pilotguy> Xihix- So don't push your luck unless you want to make it permanent
2008-01-14 22:29 < The359> Isn't that the third time now?
2008-01-14 22:29 < ancjr> ...
2008-01-14 22:29 < Pilotguy> The359- probably
2008-01-14 22:30 < Pilotguy> The359- I think you're right
2008-01-14 22:30 < The359> Of course I am
2008-01-14 22:31 < quanticle> Wait, how was Xihix able to join if he was banned from the channel?
2008-01-14 22:31 < Pilotguy> quanticle- It expired
2008-01-14 22:31 < quanticle> Pilotguy: Ah, I see
2008-01-14 22:31 < Xihix> The359
2008-01-14 22:31 < Xihix> I talked to the guy who banned me about it
2008-01-14 22:31 < Xihix> he said it wasn't a big deal
2008-01-14 22:31 < The359> You try to talk to everyone
2008-01-14 22:32 < The359> That doesn't count for much
2008-01-14 22:32 < Pilotguy> bumm13?
2008-01-14 22:32 < Xihix> just to mature a little
2008-01-14 22:32 < Pilotguy> really?
2008-01-14 22:32 < Xihix> might have been bumm
2008-01-14 22:32 < quanticle> Xihix: Who banned you?
2008-01-14 22:32 < Xihix> I recall a qu at the beginning
2008-01-14 22:32 < Ceiling_Cat> Happy Wikipedia Day, all
2008-01-14 22:32 * Ceiling_Cat huggles everyone
2008-01-14 22:32 < Ceiling_Cat> 7 years and counting
2008-01-14 22:32 < Xihix> Don't really remember. But I mean, I was just banned last night, he obviously set it for a day
2008-01-14 22:32 < quanticle> Xihix: Couldn't have been me. I don't admin
2008-01-14 22:32 < Xihix> or otherwise it would just have been the default
2008-01-14 22:32 < Xihix> and happy wikipedia day, Raul
2008-01-14 22:32 < Ceiling_Cat> any 01s or 02s in the house?
2008-01-14 22:33 * quanticle doesn't believe in Wikipedia Day
2008-01-14 22:33 * Ceiling_Cat is an 03
2008-01-14 22:33 < Xihix> 01s 02s?
2008-01-14 22:33 < Davo_Dinkum> 01s?
2008-01-14 22:33 < Ceiling_Cat> Xihix - what year did you join wikipedia?
2008-01-14 22:33 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: What do you mean?
2008-01-14 22:33 < Xihix> ooh. 05, haha.
2008-01-14 22:33 * The359 is a [[42]]
2008-01-14 22:33 < quanticle> How can you tell when you joined? I don't remember.
2008-01-14 22:33 < Xihix> yeah... was sort of late to the party.
2008-01-14 22:33 < Ceiling_Cat> oh noes! The359 is a terminator!
2008-01-14 22:33 < Xihix> there's a tool
2008-01-14 22:34 < Ceiling_Cat> he's been sent back in time to stop up
2008-01-14 22:34 < Ceiling_Cat> us*
2008-01-14 22:34 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - the day you made your first edit
2008-01-14 22:34 * quanticle looks around for Sarah Connor
2008-01-14 22:34 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Right, I don't remember that date
2008-01-14 22:34 < Ceiling_Cat> I made my first edit on August 30, 2003
2008-01-14 22:34 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Is it Special:Contributions?
2008-01-14 22:34 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - that's one way, yes
2008-01-14 22:35 < Ceiling_Cat> go there and click "earliest"
2008-01-14 22:35 < Xihix> Man, that Sarah Conner Chronicles sucks so bad.
2008-01-14 22:35 < Davo_Dinkum> who's that?
2008-01-14 22:35 < quanticle> Davo_Dinkum: Its the Terminator TV show
2008-01-14 22:35 < Davo_Dinkum> lol
2008-01-14 22:35 < Ceiling_Cat> Davo_Dinkum - it is a new television show
2008-01-14 22:35 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: best I've got is extremely late 2003
2008-01-14 22:36 < quanticle> Heh, I think you all have me beat. I first contributed on 12 Nov. 2006
2008-01-14 22:36 < Monobi> lol
2008-01-14 22:36 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle's a young'in
2008-01-14 22:37 < quanticle> Heh, I'm even newer to the channel
2008-01-14 22:37 < Ceiling_Cat> I've been a regular in this channel since 05, I think
2008-01-14 22:37 < Ceiling_Cat> maybe earlier
2008-01-14 22:37 < mavhk> there's only 1 good new show this year, Pushing Daisies
2008-01-14 22:38 < Ceiling_Cat> I can't wait until Lost comes back
2008-01-14 22:38 * Ceiling_Cat caught up on season 3 over christmas
2008-01-14 22:38 < wmarsh> the first time I cam in this channel, I made fun of everyone for taking the channel too seriously, and a regular sent me a PM to inform me they were transgendered
2008-01-14 22:38 < wmarsh> that about set the tone for the next 2 years
2008-01-14 22:38 < Cyrius> heh
2008-01-14 22:38 * Ceiling_Cat snickers
2008-01-14 22:39 < The359> god damned transgenders
2008-01-14 22:39 < The359> always too serious
2008-01-14 22:39 * quanticle chuckles at wmarsh
2008-01-14 22:39 < Ceiling_Cat> This Channel - Serious Fucking Stuf
2008-01-14 22:39 < Ceiling_Cat> Stuff, even
2008-01-14 22:40 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: You should have left it at Stuf
2008-01-14 22:40 < quanticle> It would have added to the irony
2008-01-14 22:40 < The359> You ruined it
2008-01-14 22:41 < Ceiling_Cat> teehee
2008-01-14 22:42 < Cyrius> /topic Welcome to #wikipedia | Status: Serious Fucking Stuf
2008-01-14 22:43 < Davo_Dinkum> How are being transgendered and taking the channel seriously related?
2008-01-14 22:44 < quanticle> Cyrius: /topic Welcome to #wikipedia | Status: Serious Fucking Up?
2008-01-14 22:44 < Cyrius> quanticle: that'd work too =)
2008-01-14 22:45 < Davo_Dinkum> What language is this? http://tg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
2008-01-14 22:47 < Parkin_m> .tg = togo?
2008-01-14 22:47 < quanticle> Parkin_m: The lettering looks Cyrillic, though
2008-01-14 22:47 < SNORLAX> tagalog?
2008-01-14 22:47 < Cyrius> Tajik
2008-01-14 22:47 < quanticle> I quote: 16-ум солгарди Истиқлолияти Тоҷикистон 1991-2007, 800-солагии шоиру мутафаккири бузурги тоҷик Ҷалолиддини Балхӣ ва 10-умин солгарди имзои созишномаи умумии сулҳ дар Тоҷикистон муборак!
2008-01-14 22:47 < Parkin_m> yeah you are correct I don't think it is togo in this case
2008-01-14 22:47 < Cyrius> [[Tajik language]]
2008-01-14 22:47 < SNORLAX> The ISO 639-1 code for the Tajik language
2008-01-14 22:47 < SNORLAX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tg
2008-01-14 22:48 < quanticle> Well that explains the Cyrillic
2008-01-14 22:48 < Cyrius> just type the code into Wikipedia =)
2008-01-14 22:48 < Parkin_m> TG (fanart), a fetish in fanart <- el oh el
2008-01-14 22:48 < Ceiling_Cat> WOW
2008-01-14 22:48 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - are you here?
2008-01-14 22:48 < SNORLAX> Some artists consider it a cheat to draw TG art of certain characters who have canonical androgynous overtones to them. Guilty Gear's Bridget is very rarely drawn as explicitly female, while characters like Final Fight 's newhalfs Poison and Roxy tend to be more popular in futanari art.
2008-01-14 22:49 < Davo_Dinkum> appears to be Tajik
2008-01-14 22:55 < ronabop> Just saw the wired article, we're now in the "top stories" RSS feed.... as is the Wombat article.... which looks safe, so far.
2008-01-14 22:55 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - link?
2008-01-14 22:55 < ronabop> http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/01/dayintech_0115
2008-01-14 22:56 < hk2999> very old article mon
2008-01-14 22:57 < Cyrius> um
2008-01-14 22:57 < hk2999> Jan. 15, 2001, come on
2008-01-14 22:57 < Cyrius> it's dated in the future
2008-01-14 22:57 < ronabop> It's a bithday article.
2008-01-14 22:57 < ronabop> *birthday
2008-01-14 22:57 < Cyrius> an hour in the future, assuming they're running on US eastern
2008-01-14 22:57 < ronabop> "As of December 2007, there were more than 9 million Wikipedia entries in a variety of languages, more than 2 million of those in English."
2008-01-14 22:57 < Parkin_m> By Tony Long Email 01.15.08 | 12:00 AM
2008-01-14 22:57 < Cyrius> 'There's a saying in the newspaper business: "If your mother says she loves you, check it out." If it applies to Mom, it applies to Wikipedia, too.'
2008-01-14 22:58 < Cyrius> Wikipedia has never said it loves me =(
2008-01-14 22:58 * ronabop slaps a {fact} tag on his mom
2008-01-14 22:58 < The359> Wikipedia has told me to keep my opinion to myself :(
2008-01-14 22:58 < Davo_Dinkum> "I love you Cyrius" says Mom.
2008-01-14 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> Cyrius - yea, but that's because you don't like to cuddle afterwards
2008-01-14 22:58 < Ceiling_Cat> (sorry, couldn't resist)
2008-01-14 22:58 < Davo_Dinkum> Mom=Wikipedia
2008-01-14 22:58 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat wins that one
2008-01-14 22:58 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Man, you're slowing down
2008-01-14 22:59 * ronabop cites Davo as a source and gets in a RS squabble about chat logs
2008-01-14 22:59 < Davo_Dinkum> RS?
2008-01-14 22:59 < ronabop> WP:RS...
2008-01-14 22:59 < The359> ugh
2008-01-14 22:59 < Davo_Dinkum> ???
2008-01-14 22:59 < The359> writing stuff for an article
2008-01-14 22:59 < The359> came across this guy's name
2008-01-14 22:59 < The359> I feel sorry for him
2008-01-14 22:59 < Ceiling_Cat> Man, I was *totally* in a fog last week. Today was the first day in over a week I was able to concentrate
2008-01-14 23:00 < The359> Dick Brown.
2008-01-14 23:00 < ronabop> Middle name of "Miet"?
2008-01-14 23:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Cyrius - btw, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kenneth_Pinyan&diff=prev&oldid=184394076 <-- BEST EDIT EVER
2008-01-14 23:00 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Allergy medication?
2008-01-14 23:01 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - I was sick (I think I caught something on my flight home from florida)
2008-01-14 23:01 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: I've seen better =)
2008-01-14 23:01 < The359> Are you trying to go for GA, Ceiling_Cat?
2008-01-14 23:01 < The359> or FA?
2008-01-14 23:01 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Ah, ugh, I hate it when that happens
2008-01-14 23:01 < Ceiling_Cat> The359 - FA, clearly
2008-01-14 23:02 * Ceiling_Cat needs to expand it
2008-01-14 23:02 < Ceiling_Cat> (too bad the horse got there first)
2008-01-14 23:02 < Ceiling_Cat> [bah-dum-ding]
2008-01-14 23:02 < ronabop> Had to trot that one out, eh?
2008-01-14 23:02 < The359> Stop beating that dead horse (off)
2008-01-14 23:03 < quanticle> ronabop: It sort of leaves the barn door open, doesn't it
2008-01-14 23:03 < Cyrius> I say neigh to this punning
2008-01-14 23:03 < Davo_Dinkum> death is a dick
2008-01-14 23:03 < The359> Fail
2008-01-14 23:03 < Cyrius> Davo_Dinkum: you aren't very good at this =)
2008-01-14 23:04 < Davo_Dinkum> eh
2008-01-14 23:04 < Ceiling_Cat> Cyrius - you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink
2008-01-14 23:04 < Davo_Dinkum> may your camels get yellow fever and die
2008-01-14 23:05 < Ceiling_Cat> oh, btw, I got my first paper published today
2008-01-14 23:05 < Ceiling_Cat> ARL-MR-0683
2008-01-14 23:05 < LuciferTiger> congrats
2008-01-14 23:05 < LuciferTiger> what was it on
2008-01-14 23:05 < ronabop> First one's always a nice moment... what was it on?
2008-01-14 23:05 < Ceiling_Cat> Mstack: A Lightweight Cross-Platform Benchmark for Evaluating Co-processing Technologies
2008-01-14 23:06 < Ceiling_Cat> I submitted it in August; it took that long to go through the ARL's broken publication pipeline
2008-01-14 23:06 < Ceiling_Cat> (it's still not on the interwebs, btw)
2008-01-14 23:06 < ronabop> So I've noticed. :)
2008-01-14 23:06 < The359> It's not important if it isn't on the interwebs
2008-01-14 23:07 < Mike_H> <DragonFire1024> so i figured out what leaked from the ceiling
2008-01-14 23:07 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> ceiling cat? :o
2008-01-14 23:07 * Ceiling_Cat lulz
2008-01-14 23:08 < ronabop> Mstack new software, or existing tech?
2008-01-14 23:08 < ronabop> (hardware?)
2008-01-14 23:08 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - it's a benchmark my co-author created
2008-01-14 23:08 < Ceiling_Cat> hold on, I posted the code just today
2008-01-14 23:08 < Ceiling_Cat> http://copland.udel.edu/~markpell/mstack/
2008-01-14 23:09 < ronabop> heh... http://www.cs.niu.edu/~mstack/assist/
2008-01-14 23:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Mstack is short for "median stack"
2008-01-14 23:10 < Davo_Dinkum> of pancakes?
2008-01-14 23:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Davo_Dinkum - median stacking is a signal processing technique
2008-01-14 23:10 < Ceiling_Cat> you take a list of numbers, sort them, and grab the middle (median) value
2008-01-14 23:11 < Cyrius> mmm...pancakes
2008-01-14 23:12 * Ceiling_Cat nominates Cyrius a [[Grabby]] award
2008-01-14 23:12 < ronabop> The code is, well, almost "dainty".
2008-01-14 23:12 * ronabop is amused by the final "Hello World", as well.
2008-01-14 23:13 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - on the cray mta-2, mstackpomta.c *crushed* the competition
2008-01-14 23:13 < Ceiling_Cat> It beat the 2nd place version by a factor of 2
2008-01-14 23:14 < ronabop> even mstackp.c? I can see bubblesort being kind of a drag....
2008-01-14 23:15 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - mstackpomta.c uses the even-odd transposition sort too
2008-01-14 23:16 < Ceiling_Cat> I even got the mstack reference implementation to run on the MTA-2, but it took over 2 days to run the smallest test case (5 channels)
2008-01-14 23:16 < ronabop> Yeah, that's the first thing I noticed, so I was wondering (without pulling diffs) what the "crushing" part was.
2008-01-14 23:17 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - I suspect the even-odd transposition sort made a big difference versus the 2nd fastest (mstackomta3)
2008-01-14 23:18 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't know how well it did on commodity hardware (your standard intel chip)
2008-01-14 23:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Daniel has those results and I haven't looked closely at them (yet)
2008-01-14 23:20 < Ceiling_Cat> SWEET
2008-01-14 23:20 < Ceiling_Cat> http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/kucinich-should-be-allowed-to-debate-judge-rules/
2008-01-14 23:20 < Ceiling_Cat> A Nevada judge has ordered MSNBC to include Representative Dennis Kucinich, a Democratic presidential candidate, in Tuesday night�s debate in Nevada, the Associated Press reports.
2008-01-14 23:20 < Ceiling_Cat> According to the Associated Press: �Senior Clark County District Court Judge Charles Thompson said if Kucinich is excluded, he�ll issue an injunction stopping the televised debate.�
2008-01-14 23:20 < ronabop> "After the Tera merger, the Tera MTA system was relaunched as the Cray MTA-2. This was not a commercial success and shipped to only two customers."
2008-01-14 23:20 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - two? I thought it was only one
2008-01-14 23:20 < IceKarma> two units, one customer, maybe?
2008-01-14 23:21 < Ceiling_Cat> no, as far as I was aware, it was one customer (the NRL), one machine (boomer), 40 processors
2008-01-14 23:21 < IceKarma> ah
2008-01-14 23:21 < ronabop> USNRL and SDSC
2008-01-14 23:21 < ronabop> http://www.phys.uu.nl/~steen/web02/mta-2.html
2008-01-14 23:21 < Ceiling_Cat> Ohhhh
2008-01-14 23:21 * bumm13 �
2008-01-14 23:21 < Ceiling_Cat> SDSC got the Tera MTA
2008-01-14 23:21 < Ceiling_Cat> not the MTA-2
2008-01-14 23:22 < Ceiling_Cat> the Tera MTA and MTA-2 are logically identical, BUT
2008-01-14 23:22 < ronabop> SLower cycles, 4.4ns cs 3 ns?
2008-01-14 23:22 < Ceiling_Cat> (a) The Tera MTA was manufactured by Tera computer corp. It used an aggresive gallium arsenide chip design, which was a horrible design choice
2008-01-14 23:22 < ronabop> *vs.
2008-01-14 23:22 < Ceiling_Cat> it was very, very unstable.
2008-01-14 23:23 < Ceiling_Cat> it also drove Tera into bankrupty
2008-01-14 23:23 * bumm13 buys Ceiling_Cat a Kendall Square Research KSR-1 for his birthday
2008-01-14 23:23 < Ceiling_Cat> so tera gets bought out by Cray, and Cray builds the MTA_2
2008-01-14 23:23 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: What was the justification for the Gallium Arsenide?
2008-01-14 23:23 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - gallium arsenide has better semiconductor properties
2008-01-14 23:24 < Ceiling_Cat> if you do it right
2008-01-14 23:24 < bumm13> it drove costs up, though
2008-01-14 23:24 < Ceiling_Cat> back in 1990, gallium arsenide technology was not mature enough
2008-01-14 23:24 < bumm13> yeah
2008-01-14 23:24 < uberpenguin> not "better"... "different"
2008-01-14 23:24 < uberpenguin> you can't do CMOS on GaAs
2008-01-14 23:24 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Yeah, I don't think gallium arsenide became properly viable until 2000 or so
2008-01-14 23:24 < uberpenguin> so it's not better for VLSI
2008-01-14 23:24 < Ceiling_Cat> anyway, so Cray bought Tera, and created the MTA-2, which is logically identical to the MTA
2008-01-14 23:24 < Ceiling_Cat> the MTA-2 shipped one machine - to the NRL
2008-01-14 23:25 < Ceiling_Cat> the NRL eventually gave the machine back to Cray
2008-01-14 23:25 < Ceiling_Cat> and it's now my personal machine to play on
2008-01-14 23:25 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-14 23:25 < quanticle> uberpenguin: Right, but you can push GaAs at higher clocks than silicon. You can also get smaller transistors, without as much leakage
2008-01-14 23:25 < Ceiling_Cat> (and, based on the login logs, I'm the only one who does)
2008-01-14 23:25 < bumm13> nothing like obscure architectures :)
2008-01-14 23:25 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: No way! Where do you work?
2008-01-14 23:25 * quanticle wants
2008-01-14 23:25 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - I'm a grad student at the University of Delaware
2008-01-14 23:25 < uberpenguin> quanticle: sort of, sort of but it's irrelevant, no
2008-01-14 23:26 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin - not necessarily so
2008-01-14 23:26 < uberpenguin> Ceiling_Cat: explain?
2008-01-14 23:26 < Ceiling_Cat> Cray is trying to fold the MTA-2's threadstorm processor into their next generation Eldorado machine
2008-01-14 23:26 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: And how did the U of D manage to finagle that bit of kit?
2008-01-14 23:26 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - John Feo came to talk to my research group, and he was kind enough to give us login accounts and secureIDs necessary to do it
2008-01-14 23:27 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: That's awesome
2008-01-14 23:27 < Ceiling_Cat> they've been shut down twice since, but Cray tech support has been kind enough to re-enable them when I called to complain
2008-01-14 23:27 < Ceiling_Cat> my only complain is that the machine runs a *very* spartan unix distro
2008-01-14 23:27 < Ceiling_Cat> as in, the only text editor is vi
2008-01-14 23:27 < ronabop> "Who could be using that old.... ooops, phone's ringing."
2008-01-14 23:28 * Ceiling_Cat snickers
2008-01-14 23:28 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: You probably shouldn't be editing files on that machine anyway
2008-01-14 23:28 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: could be worse
2008-01-14 23:28 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - you can on the host machine
2008-01-14 23:28 < ronabop> TECO 4TW!
2008-01-14 23:28 < Ceiling_Cat> so that's how I got my own personal supercomputer :)
2008-01-14 23:29 < Mike_H> TAMPA EVENT
2008-01-14 23:29 < Mike_H> Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2008
2008-01-14 23:29 < Mike_H> Time: 5:00pm - 7:00pm
2008-01-14 23:29 < Mike_H> yay
2008-01-14 23:29 < Pilotguy> ?
2008-01-14 23:29 * ronabop feels like his latest toy isn't quite so cool anymore.
2008-01-14 23:29 < Cyrius> "Ed is the standard text editor."
2008-01-14 23:29 < Mike_H> Pilotguy: It is this
2008-01-14 23:29 < Mike_H>
2008-01-14 23:29 < Mike_H> The JEOPARDY! Brain Bus is a fun-filled event that offers prizes, personal appearances by the Clue Crew and even gives you the chance to try out for the show.
2008-01-14 23:29 < Mike_H> Upcoming Brain Bus Events
2008-01-14 23:29 < uberpenguin> Cray-3 used GaAs logic too
2008-01-14 23:29 < Pilotguy> cool
2008-01-14 23:30 < quanticle> uberpenguin: The Cray-3 didn't have issues, though, since the tech. had matured
2008-01-14 23:30 < quanticle> uberpenguin: or did it?
2008-01-14 23:30 < Leslie_S> when i think of Cray, i think of really really old supercomputers...
2008-01-14 23:30 < bumm13> Mike_H: mindspillage tried out for Jeopardy!, I guess
2008-01-14 23:30 < uberpenguin> well it wasn't a commercial success
2008-01-14 23:30 < uberpenguin> and again, it's not really a technology problem
2008-01-14 23:30 < Mike_H> I'm going to win lots of moneys :D
2008-01-14 23:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Mike_H - Apparently Jeopardy! is now screening for quiz bowl alums :(
2008-01-14 23:30 < bumm13> it hadn't matured that much
2008-01-14 23:30 < uberpenguin> it's more of a "compound semiconductors aren't good for VLSI" problem
2008-01-14 23:30 < bumm13> this was back in the early 90s
2008-01-14 23:30 < uberpenguin> GaAs has been used for high speed amplifiers for years
2008-01-14 23:31 < Ceiling_Cat> so when they ask "how many quiz bowl competitions have you played in?" and I have to answer "I can't count them all", that will probably disquality me
2008-01-14 23:31 < Mike_H> My friend is getting off work early so we can go
2008-01-14 23:31 < Mike_H> it's going to be fabulous
2008-01-14 23:31 < uberpenguin> there were well-developed GaAs processes in the mid-80s
2008-01-14 23:31 < bumm13> they couldn't keep the price of manufacturing low enough
2008-01-14 23:31 < Ceiling_Cat> :(
2008-01-14 23:31 < Ceiling_Cat> they don't want any really good players going on
2008-01-14 23:31 < Ceiling_Cat> if Subash or Andrew Yaphe got on there, they'd never lose. Ever.
2008-01-14 23:32 < bumm13> Mike_H: just remember, you may do well in all the qualifying stuff and whatever, and still not be chosen to appear on TV
2008-01-14 23:32 < bumm13> (for unknown reasons)
2008-01-14 23:32 < uberpenguin> the raw material is much more expensive and the process is less common, so yeah, GaAs is expensive
2008-01-14 23:32 < uberpenguin> just like all compound semiconductors
2008-01-14 23:32 < Ceiling_Cat> http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/990429/quizbowl.shtml <-- the balding guy there is the best quiz bowl player in the nation
2008-01-14 23:32 < ronabop> Cieling-Cat: any chance of getting BlueGene/L time for comparison stats? (And would it even run properly?)
2008-01-14 23:32 < ronabop> *Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-14 23:32 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - sorry, I don't have bluegene access
2008-01-14 23:33 < Ceiling_Cat> (well, not bluegene/l, at any rate)
2008-01-14 23:33 < bumm13> supercomputers harken back to the old days of big iron and general computing, when *all* computers had limited access
2008-01-14 23:33 < LuciferTiger> rofl colbert tells bill o'rielly to go fuck himself
2008-01-14 23:33 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Isn't the BlueGene/L only in government locations?
2008-01-14 23:33 < Pilotguy> nice
2008-01-14 23:33 < Pilotguy> !
2008-01-14 23:34 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - the big bluegene/l setup is at LLNL
2008-01-14 23:34 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Literally? Or metaphorically?
2008-01-14 23:34 < bumm13> I imagine there's an ongoing BlueGene installation at LLNL in California
2008-01-14 23:34 < bumm13> yeah
2008-01-14 23:34 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't know if there are any smaller ones out there
2008-01-14 23:34 < ronabop> The closest access I still have to that bad boy is my perimiter detection/monitoring code running on the LAN. :( .
2008-01-14 23:34 < Ceiling_Cat> oh
2008-01-14 23:34 * bumm13 knows a bit about LLNL
2008-01-14 23:34 < Ceiling_Cat> and there's the new Bluegene/p in germany
2008-01-14 23:34 < LuciferTiger> literally. blipped out though.
2008-01-14 23:34 < Ceiling_Cat> it's way up there on the top 500 this year
2008-01-14 23:34 < quanticle> bumm13: I don't think that there are any other BlueGene/L installations
2008-01-14 23:34 < bumm13> I have a relative that does non-technical work at LLNL
2008-01-14 23:35 < Ceiling_Cat> 2008 will be the year of BlueGene/C ;)
2008-01-14 23:35 < bumm13> no public access except for their silly little tour dealie
2008-01-14 23:35 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm told that our hardware group has finially finished verifying it
2008-01-14 23:35 < bumm13> cool
2008-01-14 23:35 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: The BlueGene/C?
2008-01-14 23:36 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - bluegene/c, now renamed Cyclos64. IBM is subcontracting with my research group to verify it
2008-01-14 23:36 < bumm13> LLNL is like a damn city in itself within Livermore, CA
2008-01-14 23:36 < uberpenguin> goody... another computer to chug away at quantum chemistry
2008-01-14 23:36 < uberpenguin> look at 'dem gold orbitals
2008-01-14 23:36 < Ceiling_Cat> in fact, my mstack paper will have a section describibg our porting efforts
2008-01-14 23:36 < quanticle> bumm13: As opposed to Los Alamos, which is a city in the middle of Bumfuck, Nowhere
2008-01-14 23:36 < uberpenguin> multiple bodies at relativistic velocities = hard as crap problem to solve
2008-01-14 23:36 < bumm13> quanticle: indeed :-)
2008-01-14 23:36 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin - no, that's hutts
2008-01-14 23:36 < Ceiling_Cat> grrr... what's it called
2008-01-14 23:36 < uberpenguin> hutts?
2008-01-14 23:37 < uberpenguin> jabba?
2008-01-14 23:37 < uberpenguin> grubba?
2008-01-14 23:37 < uberpenguin> zorba?
2008-01-14 23:37 < Ceiling_Cat> Barnes-Hut
2008-01-14 23:37 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~scandal/applets/bh.html
2008-01-14 23:38 * Warpath facehuggles Ceiling_Cat :)
2008-01-14 23:38 < bumm13> Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico is closer to civilization (if Albuquerque counts as such ;)
2008-01-14 23:38 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.cs.princeton.edu/courses/archive/fall04/cos126/assignments/barnes-hut.html
2008-01-14 23:38 < uberpenguin> ... quantum chemistry doesn't really involve the gravitational force :/
2008-01-14 23:38 < bumm13> (not quite as "governmental" but still basically the same sort of facility)
2008-01-14 23:38 < uberpenguin> it's too infinitesimal at mass scales on the order of 10^-30 kg
2008-01-14 23:38 < bumm13> Sandia also has a location in Livermore, CA
2008-01-14 23:38 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin - see my links
2008-01-14 23:39 < Ceiling_Cat> Barnes-Hut is one of those very-well known problems in my field
2008-01-14 23:39 * bumm13 needs a "field"
2008-01-14 23:39 < Ceiling_Cat> I really need to come up with a top-10 list
2008-01-14 23:39 < uberpenguin> it's not really an n-body problem
2008-01-14 23:39 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin - uh, yes, it is
2008-01-14 23:39 < Ceiling_Cat> it's *the* canonical N-body problme
2008-01-14 23:40 < uberpenguin> 158 bodies qualifies as an n-body problem?
2008-01-14 23:40 < Ceiling_Cat> Yes, of course. You can have n-body problems for n >= 2
2008-01-14 23:40 < ronabop> ... for certain values of n. :P
2008-01-14 23:40 < uberpenguin> give me another link, that applet won't load
2008-01-14 23:40 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.cs.princeton.edu/courses/archive/fall04/cos126/assignments/barnes-hut.html
2008-01-14 23:41 < uberpenguin> so far I'm not seeing how this algorithm is helpful to quantum chemistry
2008-01-14 23:41 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Barnes-Hut simulation]]
2008-01-14 23:41 < Ceiling_Cat> "The Barnes-Hut simulation is an algorithm for performing an N-body simulation."
2008-01-14 23:42 < Ceiling_Cat> so anyway, top 10 list of well known problems in computer architecture:
2008-01-14 23:42 < Ceiling_Cat> 10) Barnes-Hutt
2008-01-14 23:42 < Ceiling_Cat> 9) CG
2008-01-14 23:42 < Ceiling_Cat> 8) LU decomposition
2008-01-14 23:42 < Ceiling_Cat> 7) Smith-Waterman
2008-01-14 23:43 < Ceiling_Cat> hrmm...
2008-01-14 23:43 < Ceiling_Cat> 6) FFT
2008-01-14 23:43 < ronabop> Turing Test. :)
2008-01-14 23:43 < Ceiling_Cat> 5) Matrix-Matrix multiply
2008-01-14 23:43 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: What is CG?
2008-01-14 23:43 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - Conjugate gradient
2008-01-14 23:43 < Ceiling_Cat> hrmmm x2
2008-01-14 23:44 < uberpenguin> okay, but solving the schrodinger equation for gold isn't exactly a straightforward N-body problem
2008-01-14 23:44 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - that's not a problem, it's an application
2008-01-14 23:44 < uberpenguin> it requires a fairly complicated linear PDE expansion
2008-01-14 23:44 < uberpenguin> plus the complication of the relativistic factors
2008-01-14 23:44 < Ceiling_Cat> grr... there's *got* to be some obvious ones I'm missing
2008-01-14 23:44 < uberpenguin> for the life of me I can't remember what it's called... it's a 4-letter acronym that starts with "L"
2008-01-14 23:45 < bumm13> (and not LLNL ;)
2008-01-14 23:45 < uberpenguin> but functionally it's very similar to the Bohr-Oppenheimer approximation for the hydrogen molecule
2008-01-14 23:45 < Ceiling_Cat> argh
2008-01-14 23:45 * Ceiling_Cat mashes head against keyboard
2008-01-14 23:46 < uberpenguin> ack... *Born-Oppenheimer
2008-01-14 23:46 < ronabop> Ceiling_Cat: the AI software folks say it's a harware issue, the hardware folks say it's a software issue, and much finger-pointing fun is had by all, while the problem/application remains unresolved.
2008-01-14 23:46 < uberpenguin> you know, the guy who assigned meaning to the wave function, not the guy who came up with the first modern atomic model
2008-01-14 23:46 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - uh, " the AI software folks say it's a harware issue" -- no, they don't
2008-01-14 23:47 < uberpenguin> ah ha!
2008-01-14 23:47 < uberpenguin> LCAO
2008-01-14 23:47 < uberpenguin> that's the method typically used for breaking down the Schroedinger equation for complicated (more complicated than hydrogen) atoms
2008-01-14 23:48 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - in fact, you have no idea how badly confused that statement is
2008-01-14 23:48 < uberpenguin> http://xbeams.chem.yale.edu/~batista/vvv/node31.html
2008-01-14 23:48 < uberpenguin> that's the basic idea
2008-01-14 23:48 < ronabop> http://www.transhumanist.com/volume1/moravec.htm
2008-01-14 23:48 < Ceiling_Cat> the Church-Turing hypothesis (yes, the very same Turing) says that ANY turning complete language is equal to ANY other Turing complete language
2008-01-14 23:48 < Leslie_S> lol, on the instructions for disposable toilet seat covers at an associate bathroom in my walmart....someone added a step between 3 and 4 "3.5 - TAKE A CRAP"
2008-01-14 23:48 < Ceiling_Cat> so if you managed to write a Turing Complete program, it could run on ANY computer EVER made, just a bit more slowly
2008-01-14 23:49 < uberpenguin> Ceiling_Cat: functionally, not practically :p
2008-01-14 23:49 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: However, that ignores the fact that computers are not turing machines
2008-01-14 23:49 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Turing Machines are unbounded
2008-01-14 23:49 < Ceiling_Cat> ronabop - what they say in that article is not what you just claimed
2008-01-14 23:49 * Schroeder hereby declares that all the world's hot chicks must show him their boobs
2008-01-14 23:49 < Ceiling_Cat> they are saying the program *performance* is limited by the machine. You said the *program* is limited by the machine
2008-01-14 23:50 < Ceiling_Cat> one of these is not like the other
2008-01-14 23:50 < Ceiling_Cat> in fact, the latter is mathematically demonstrably false
2008-01-14 23:50 < Ceiling_Cat> (Turing himself proved it false)
2008-01-14 23:50 < uberpenguin> Ceiling_Cat: so, how could you use the Barnes-Hutt algorithm to help solve a LCAO expansion?
2008-01-14 23:50 * bumm13 prefers the ramifications of the Church-Turing Thesis more than that of Turing completeness, even if the latter is probably more important
2008-01-14 23:50 < uberpenguin> 'cause I'm not seeing it, and google turns up nothing
2008-01-14 23:51 < Ceiling_Cat> LCAO ?
2008-01-14 23:51 < ronabop> Hardware is just software with permanent instructions. :P
2008-01-14 23:51 < uberpenguin> Ceiling_Cat: LCAO is the method used for calculating orbitals in quantum chemistry
2008-01-14 23:51 * IceKarma hands ronabop a gun.
2008-01-14 23:51 < IceKarma> Ceiling_Cat, here, the field might be level now.
2008-01-14 23:51 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin - I have no idea if it can be used for LCAO, since I know nothing about LCAO. Barnes-Hut is most typically used for gravity of N-bodies
2008-01-14 23:52 < Ceiling_Cat> but there's nothing in principle that stops it from being used for other forces
2008-01-14 23:52 < uberpenguin> Ceiling_Cat: but you said earlier it was used for quantum chemistry... now I'm confused
2008-01-14 23:52 < Ceiling_Cat> uberpenguin - no, I said it was used for N-body
2008-01-14 23:52 < Ceiling_Cat> it's the canonical n-body algorithm
2008-01-14 23:52 < ronabop> Thanks IceKarma, nothing so much fun as duels between the hard and soft side.
2008-01-14 23:53 < uberpenguin> yes, but solving the atomic orbitals for an atom isn't an N-body problem
2008-01-14 23:53 < uberpenguin> that's all I'm saying
2008-01-14 23:54 * ronabop has spaced 8 channel paper tape by hand, and fears NOBODY! :P
2008-01-14 23:54 < ronabop> *Spliced, even
2008-01-14 23:54 < Leslie_S> 8 channel paper tape?
2008-01-14 23:54 < uberpenguin> the governing equation of state in QM is a linear PDE... in quantum chemistry you break it down into a superposition of orbitals so you have a vast number of more managable ODEs to solve
2008-01-14 23:55 < uberpenguin> but that's not an N-body problem, it's an exercise in PDE solving
2008-01-14 23:55 < ronabop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_tape
2008-01-14 23:56 < uberpenguin> Barnes-Hutt looks useful for more classical problems... newtonian gravitation, statistical mechanics, etc
2008-01-14 23:56 < Leslie_S> ronabop, heh.
2008-01-14 23:57 < Mopper> Whoo, big channel.
2008-01-14 23:57 < Ceiling_Cat> welcome to the channel, Mopper
2008-01-14 23:57 < Mopper> Thanks :)
2008-01-14 23:57 < Cyrius> we prefer to think of it as husky
2008-01-14 23:57 < bumm13> lol
2008-01-14 23:57 < uberpenguin> yeah, so we got a new GaN on sapphire wafer today
2008-01-14 23:58 < Ceiling_Cat> baby got back
2008-01-14 23:58 < uberpenguin> it's destined to become laser diodes
2008-01-14 23:58 < ronabop> "I'm not fat, I'm fluffy!"
2008-01-14 23:58 < bumm13> isn't sapphire just a variety of corundum?
2008-01-14 23:58 * Ceiling_Cat notices that [[Badonkadonk]] has 378 deleted edits
2008-01-14 23:58 < bumm13> (looks like it, yes)
2008-01-14 23:59 < Leslie_S> ronabop, heh, chad. I've been in chad hell, by the way. i used to help run a paper drill! (for drilling holes in publications to be put into binders...)
2008-01-14 23:59 < NotACow> most of the people here are idling, anyway
2008-01-14 23:59 < NotACow> Leslie_S: why did they name a country after that stuff?
2008-01-14 23:59 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - aha
2008-01-14 23:59 < Ceiling_Cat> there you are
2008-01-14 23:59 < bumm13> I suppose for technical use, a red chunk of corundum need not be called "ruby" ;)
2008-01-14 23:59 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: i am?
2008-01-14 23:59 < Ceiling_Cat> [[District of Columbia v. Heller]]:
2008-01-14 23:59 < Ceiling_Cat> The attorneys involved in litigating the case have stated that the NRA acted as an obstruction. Attorney Alan Gura has commented on the NRA's "sham litigation" to have Parker consolidated with NRA controlled litigation, and stated that "the NRA was adamant about not wanting the Supreme Court to hear the case".
2008-01-14 23:59 < uberpenguin> bumm13: yes
2008-01-15 00:00 < Ceiling_Cat> !
2008-01-15 00:00 < Leslie_S> NotACow i dunno.
2008-01-15 00:00 * Ceiling_Cat found that very surprising
2008-01-15 00:00 < Ceiling_Cat> I thought you would too
2008-01-15 00:00 < Leslie_S> heh, i used to fill 55 gallon drums up with chad
2008-01-15 00:00 < Leslie_S> you'd have to have two people to dump it in the trash, because it was so heavy.
2008-01-15 00:00 < uberpenguin> the material growers just call the stuff sapphire for reasons unbeknownst to me
2008-01-15 00:00 < uberpenguin> it's not an active material, just the substrate
2008-01-15 00:00 < uberpenguin> it's possible that the term has something to do with the impurities in the aluminum oxide
2008-01-15 00:01 < ronabop> Chad in my hair, chad in my shoes....
2008-01-15 00:02 * ronabop notes that analog alignment of binary data is quite the learning experience for young programmers
2008-01-15 00:02 < bumm13> uberpenguin: ah ok
2008-01-15 00:02 < uberpenguin> "analog" "binary data"
2008-01-15 00:02 < uberpenguin> seems like an oxymoron
2008-01-15 00:04 < Ceiling_Cat> goodnight!
2008-01-15 00:04 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-01-15 00:05 < ronabop> That's why it's good experience. :) No existing chip, no CPU, ever runs in total binary. It's has to use analog *something* to go from 1/0.
2008-01-15 00:05 < ronabop> Nite cat, congrats!
2008-01-15 00:05 < uberpenguin> not really following, but this seems like an interesting theory on A/D
2008-01-15 00:05 < Dtobias> I know somebody named Chad.
2008-01-15 00:06 < quanticle> And Dtobias takes the cake for most irrelevant comment of the day
2008-01-15 00:06 < uberpenguin> personally I haven't seen tri-state logic used heavily in many moons
2008-01-15 00:06 < quanticle> uberpenguin: I learned about tri-state logic, but I was never told of any practical applications for the stuff
2008-01-15 00:06 < ronabop> 1, 0, and powered off? :P
2008-01-15 00:07 < quanticle> ronabop: 1, 0, and don't care
2008-01-15 00:07 < uberpenguin> both wrong
2008-01-15 00:07 < quanticle> ronabop: or High Impedance
2008-01-15 00:07 < uberpenguin> 0, 1, and 2
2008-01-15 00:07 < Cyrius> -1, 0, 1 !
2008-01-15 00:07 < ronabop> http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/esdk/api1013/oracle/ide/util/TriStateBoolean.html
2008-01-15 00:07 < uberpenguin> high-Z is used in typical binary logic all the time
2008-01-15 00:07 < uberpenguin> T-gates
2008-01-15 00:08 < Cyrius> real hardware is analog, it merely approximates digital logic ridiculously well
2008-01-15 00:08 < quanticle> uberpenguin: Right, but the third state is usually used to indicate don't care, right?
2008-01-15 00:08 < quanticle> Cyrius: Heh
2008-01-15 00:08 < uberpenguin> quanticle: in binary logic yes
2008-01-15 00:08 < uberpenguin> but I was talking about ternary logic
2008-01-15 00:08 < quanticle> uberpenguin: Ternary logic?
2008-01-15 00:08 < quanticle> uberpenguin: I am intrigued now
2008-01-15 00:08 < uberpenguin> yes, three logic states
2008-01-15 00:08 < NotACow> tirdary logic.
2008-01-15 00:08 * ronabop wept when he saw the oracle page
2008-01-15 00:09 < uberpenguin> it's not really that amazing a concept, just use base-3 instead of base-2 numerals
2008-01-15 00:09 < Cyrius> "A ternary, three-valued or trivalent logic is a term to describe any of several multi-valued logic systems in which there are three truth values indicating true, false and some third value"
2008-01-15 00:09 < quanticle> Right, but how do logical operations, like and/or/not work in tri-state logic
2008-01-15 00:09 < uberpenguin> it's not commonly used because the implementations are impractical
2008-01-15 00:09 < Cyrius> quanticle: there's a truth table on [[ternary logic]]
2008-01-15 00:10 < uberpenguin> rather oddly
2008-01-15 00:10 < uberpenguin> binary logic is far better developed
2008-01-15 00:11 < uberpenguin> insofar as I'm aware there's no equivalent of the Quine-McCluskey algorithm for ternary, or any non-base-2 logic system
2008-01-15 00:11 < quanticle> ronabop: The reason Oracle deals with trinary logic is that trinary logic allows you to deal with NULL values nicely
2008-01-15 00:12 * hank_ is away: Gone away for now.
2008-01-15 00:12 < ronabop> Binary: It's simpler. Imagine 26 values in Bosonic string theory.
2008-01-15 00:12 < Cyrius> ...was he here in the first place?
2008-01-15 00:12 < uberpenguin> huh?
2008-01-15 00:12 < ronabop> quanticle: NULL is a fourth value.
2008-01-15 00:12 < Cyrius> huh what?
2008-01-15 00:13 < Cyrius> placebo_effect_: stop it
2008-01-15 00:13 < uberpenguin> interesting mix of the Standard Model and GR there
2008-01-15 00:13 < quanticle> ronabop: Then what's the third value?
2008-01-15 00:13 < uberpenguin> if you can manage to convincingly explain it, you'll probably get a Nobel prize
2008-01-15 00:13 < placebo_effect_> what?
2008-01-15 00:13 < placebo_effect_> im truing to get in,
2008-01-15 00:13 < Cyrius> placebo_effect_: you keep joining and leaving
2008-01-15 00:13 < quanticle> placebo_effect_: the excessive joins and quits
2008-01-15 00:13 < placebo_effect_> but i am still in here for somereason
2008-01-15 00:13 < placebo_effect_> cause i have 2 mes in here and the other wont leave
2008-01-15 00:14 < Cyrius> placebo_effect_: joining and leaving won't fix that
2008-01-15 00:14 < placebo_effect_> gah
2008-01-15 00:14 < ronabop> quanticle: True, False, Tri_state, and UNDEF(null). Four state tri-state.
2008-01-15 00:14 < quanticle> ronabop: 4 state can be reduced to 2 state, since you can pair the states
2008-01-15 00:14 < Cyrius> placebo_effect_: if you were registered, you could have nickserv throw it off the network
2008-01-15 00:15 < placebo_effect_> how?
2008-01-15 00:15 < Leslie_S> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:System_3_punch_card.jpg i love the text on the card.
2008-01-15 00:15 < Leslie_S> wtf does zorch mean
2008-01-15 00:15 < Cyrius> placebo_effect_: right now, you can't
2008-01-15 00:15 < quanticle> ronabop: 4 state can be described by the same ring as 2 state: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_ring
2008-01-15 00:16 < Schroeder> all deletion is vandalism
2008-01-15 00:16 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Isn't zorch a user here?
2008-01-15 00:16 < quanticle> Oh, wait, that's gurch
2008-01-15 00:16 * quanticle shies away from NastyAccident
2008-01-15 00:17 < NastyAccident> quanticle, thats right...
2008-01-15 00:17 < NastyAccident> Cower from me...
2008-01-15 00:17 < NastyAccident> Run before it is too late...
2008-01-15 00:17 * quanticle fixes NastyAccident
2008-01-15 00:17 < gurch> ?
2008-01-15 00:17 < quanticle> gurch: I thought you were zorch for some reason
2008-01-15 00:18 < gurch> ...
2008-01-15 00:19 < quanticle> gurch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:System_3_punch_card.jpg
2008-01-15 00:20 < ronabop> Is an object more red, blue, or green (or undefined)? Two bits, four values, with only one and zero. One bit, with 1, 0, -1.... provided you can figure out how to manage a "non-bit".
2008-01-15 00:20 < NotACow> m2oo
2008-01-15 00:20 < NotACow> http://www.wikback.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1438#Post1438
2008-01-15 00:20 < Cyrius> "The Onion - 2007: What The Hell Just Happened?"
2008-01-15 00:21 < bumm13> I used to have two punch cards
2008-01-15 00:21 < bumm13> don't know what happened to them :-(
2008-01-15 00:21 < NotACow> we used to use old punch cards as bookmarks and notecards
2008-01-15 00:21 < NotACow> they had stacks of them outside the printer room back when i was in college
2008-01-15 00:22 < IceKarma> NotACow, dating yourself ;)
2008-01-15 00:22 < NotACow> IceKarma: yes, i'm old.
2008-01-15 00:22 * gurch huggles NotACow
2008-01-15 00:22 < Luna-San> Old enough to carbon date?