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2008-01-14 14:13 < Sonjaaa> it does not meet speedydelection criteria
2008-01-14 14:13 < Shiroi_Neko> Sonjaaa can you show me one reliable source for baby tossing
2008-01-14 14:13 < shimgray> "coherent, sourced and entirely factual"
2008-01-14 14:13 < shimgray> yes, I bet a lot of money that source *really says* "there was a sport called baby tossing"
2008-01-14 14:13 < Shiroi_Neko> I know a reliable source for baby juicing
2008-01-14 14:13 * Rinn giggles
2008-01-14 14:14 < Sonjaaa> the source was in the article!
2008-01-14 14:14 * Shiroi_Neko tosses shimgray
2008-01-14 14:14 < Lycurgus> http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Jbu3elCUSMUJ:www.boj.or.jp/en/type/press/koen/ko0609a.pdf+%22japan+total+tax%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&lr=lang_en ..
2008-01-14 14:14 < levander> This graph is interesting. Every time the US govt. lowers the tax rate, there's a quick dip in the tax revenues, but then the taxes collected as a percentage of GDP goes up... http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=263
2008-01-14 14:14 < Sonjaaa> i typed out the source in the article.
2008-01-14 14:14 < levander> Like, there was a tax cut in early 2000.
2008-01-14 14:14 < Sonjaaa> please read it
2008-01-14 14:14 < levander> Well, 2001.
2008-01-14 14:14 < Sonjaaa> i'm not making shit up :(
2008-01-14 14:14 < shimgray> the deletion was technically invalid, sure
2008-01-14 14:15 < Lycurgus> shows current Japan tax revenue to be 49 trillion yen
2008-01-14 14:15 < shimgray> but... really, you expect me to actually care about that nonsense?
2008-01-14 14:15 < Sonjaaa> i'm interested in child development and history
2008-01-14 14:15 < Sonjaaa> it's something i had researched
2008-01-14 14:15 < Sonjaaa> and it shows how our views of children have drastically changed since the middle ages
2008-01-14 14:15 < levander> Recessions start the percentage down, then the tax cut seems to bottom it out. Then the percentage recovers.
2008-01-14 14:16 < Sonjaaa> can you please restore the article and start a proper afd if you want to delete it. the speedydeletion was abused, as it is not patent nonsense
2008-01-14 14:16 < Sonjaaa> if you want to question the source, please consult it yourself and you will see
2008-01-14 14:16 < shimgray> Certainly it was not patent nonsese
2008-01-14 14:16 < shimgray> but it's still... not something I am motivated to care about
2008-01-14 14:16 < Sonjaaa> well do you have the authority to at least restore the article?
2008-01-14 14:16 < Sonjaaa> so i can keep developing it
2008-01-14 14:17 < shimgray> ...bloody hell
2008-01-14 14:17 < shimgray> "Tossing of children. 32"
2008-01-14 14:17 * Rinn giggles again
2008-01-14 14:17 < Shiroi_Neko> [[Salad tossing]]
2008-01-14 14:17 < Sonjaaa> are there no admins in here?
2008-01-14 14:18 < morwen> ello
2008-01-14 14:18 < shimgray> does it actually call it a sport, though?
2008-01-14 14:18 < shimgray> that's the critical thing
2008-01-14 14:18 < Sonjaaa> yes it does
2008-01-14 14:18 < Shiroi_Neko> http://66.249.93.147/search?hl=en&q=Tossing+of+children&btnG=Google+Search
2008-01-14 14:18 < Sonjaaa> i'm sure there are other sources too
2008-01-14 14:18 < shimgray> well, there you go
2008-01-14 14:19 < kenlyric> he'll probably blame the videogam Bouncing Babies
2008-01-14 14:19 < Lycurgus> Sonjaaa: this isn't an outlet for the WP/WMF power structure, it's a community forum.
2008-01-14 14:19 < kenlyric> since videogames are the source of all bad things in our society.
2008-01-14 14:19 < shimgray> I still don't believe it says it's a sport, but the article's back up.
2008-01-14 14:20 < shimgray> (um. sorry I was brusque. haven't had dinner yet)
2008-01-14 14:20 < Lycurgus> plug into said power structure from their designated access points
2008-01-14 14:21 < Lycurgus> of which this ain't one.
2008-01-14 14:21 < Shiroi_Neko> shimgray dinner eating is a sport too
2008-01-14 14:21 < Shiroi_Neko> you toss it into your mouth
2008-01-14 14:22 * Cyrius yawns
2008-01-14 14:22 < Sonjaaa> what does WP/WMF mean?
2008-01-14 14:22 < levander> That baby tossing article is hilarious.
2008-01-14 14:22 < Cyrius> Wikipedia/Wikimedia Foundation
2008-01-14 14:23 < Sonjaaa> Lycurgus i don't understand your sentence
2008-01-14 14:23 < Lycurgus> wikipedia/wikimedia foundation
2008-01-14 14:23 < Sonjaaa> what do you mean about outlet for power structure?
2008-01-14 14:23 < Cyrius> Sonjaaa: it was a pun on electrical outlets
2008-01-14 14:23 < Sonjaaa> you mean it's wrong to ask for a misdeleted article to be restored ?
2008-01-14 14:23 < Cyrius> no, he's just trying to be funny
2008-01-14 14:24 < Sonjaaa> oh :(
2008-01-14 14:24 < Sonjaaa> ok
2008-01-14 14:24 < Shiroi_Neko> and failing miserably
2008-01-14 14:24 < Sonjaaa> yeah i thought he was criticising my article or something
2008-01-14 14:24 < Sonjaaa> ok thanks for clarifynig
2008-01-14 14:24 < Shiroi_Neko> Galactic Leader Cyrius the tossed
2008-01-14 14:25 < Lycurgus> well it was a verdict but will defer sentencing
2008-01-14 14:28 < Shiroi_Neko> I love exeutions
2008-01-14 14:28 * Shiroi_Neko executes a new program
2008-01-14 14:29 < The359> ffs
2008-01-14 14:30 < The359> anyone want to help me out, I have a bunch of artists who seem to think their pictures of an abandoned steel plant are uberimportant on an article on the former steel company
2008-01-14 14:30 < The359> They want to keep adding links to their photo essays of ruins
2008-01-14 14:30 < Lycurgus> unless I'm mistaked the rough numbers indicate a total tax revenue to GDP ratio a few percent higher than the 43 given for the US but definitely less than the 50+ at the top of the western countries list.
2008-01-14 14:31 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-14 14:33 < The359> seems more like they want to spam
2008-01-14 14:33 < The359> and ignore all rules
2008-01-14 14:33 < Lycurgus> fuck em up then
2008-01-14 14:34 < NotACow> SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
2008-01-14 14:35 < The359> I've been trying, they laid off for a few days
2008-01-14 14:35 < The359> now they're back
2008-01-14 14:36 < The359> Anyone want to give it a lookover?
2008-01-14 14:37 < NotACow> The359: are they good pictures?
2008-01-14 14:40 < The359> The website they keep trying to link just has 5 photos of the exterior of the plant
2008-01-14 14:40 < The359> And a link to the book the photographer is trying to sell
2008-01-14 14:40 < NotACow> tell them to upload them to commons
2008-01-14 14:40 < The359> It's not the author
2008-01-14 14:41 < The359> There's already a website linked that has better photos of the exterior, interior, and actual text descriptions
2008-01-14 14:41 < The359> But they seem to keep wanting to add this link to 5 photos, no text, and a book sale
2008-01-14 14:42 < The359> There's about three editors all doing it, all photographers
2008-01-14 14:42 < The359> There's been plenty of discussion but their side seems to be "That's your biased opinion, but people enjoy them and people should see the ruins"
2008-01-14 14:42 < NotACow> HOW DARE THEY TRY TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THIS!
2008-01-14 14:42 < NotACow> KILL THEM, KILL THEM ALL!
2008-01-14 14:43 < NotACow> STINKING CAPITALISTIC PIGS!
2008-01-14 14:43 < The359> They also seem to think it is a vote
2008-01-14 14:43 < Cyrius> ...
2008-01-14 14:44 < The359> "By the way, thats a 5 to 2 Vote on keeping the link. The internet is the ultimate democracy."
2008-01-14 14:44 < NotACow> these capitalist swine must be resisted to our last breath. you must stop them, if it is the last thing you do. you have your mission! go, for the sake of all that is holy!
2008-01-14 14:44 < Dtobias> If somebody could go there and take pictures and free-license them, that would remove the need to link to somebody else's commercial images.
2008-01-14 14:44 < The359> I was looking for outside input ;)
2008-01-14 14:44 < The359> There are already pictures on the article of some of the abandoned plant
2008-01-14 14:45 < The359> In fact there were more, but I removed them because A) They were too numerous and the article isn't that long and B) Some of them were just artsy close up shots of stuff with no description of what it was or why it was important
2008-01-14 14:45 < The359> There were also about 6 links to photo essays before, I removed all but the ones that actually were informative
2008-01-14 14:46 < The359> They seem to have turned this article about a steel company into their personal industrial decay essay
2008-01-14 14:56 < The359> so yeah, none of you actually helped any ;)
2008-01-14 14:59 < gwern> The359: sry, busy gazing into my intellectual navel
2008-01-14 14:59 < gwern> also, tl;dr
2008-01-14 14:59 < The359> tl;dr?
2008-01-14 15:01 * Fabexplosive goodnight
2008-01-14 15:11 < Messedrocker> The359, too long; didn't read
2008-01-14 15:13 < NotACow> moop
2008-01-14 15:14 < The359> ah
2008-01-14 15:14 < The359> never heard that used as an acronym before
2008-01-14 15:14 < NotACow> heh
2008-01-14 15:14 < NotACow> it should be superimposed as a background on all RfAs, if you ask me
2008-01-14 15:14 < NotACow> since nobody reads them anyway
2008-01-14 15:15 < The359> like there's anything to actually read
2008-01-14 15:17 < Guest23> hello?
2008-01-14 15:18 < Guest23> is anyone here?
2008-01-14 15:18 < Karlprof> No
2008-01-14 15:18 < Guest23> lol
2008-01-14 15:18 < Guest23> ok
2008-01-14 15:18 < Guest23> it there a tech section of the wikipedia irc?
2008-01-14 15:19 < Guest23> for html junk and shit like that?
2008-01-14 15:19 < Guest23> ....
2008-01-14 15:19 < Guest23> jack is watching me
2008-01-14 15:19 < Guest23> but who is jack
2008-01-14 15:19 < Guest23> .....
2008-01-14 15:19 < Guest23> nevermind no one is here
2008-01-14 15:20 < bumm13> ok then...
2008-01-14 15:21 < Wizardman> for tech stuff i just bother aza or bc, depending on the medium
2008-01-14 15:34 < twb> I had a brilliant idea, and I hope someone else has already done the work: turn wikiquote into a set of fortune files for the use of the unix fortune(6) program.
2008-01-14 16:03 < Doc_glasgow> woo
2008-01-14 16:03 < LawrenceWCohen> woo woo
2008-01-14 16:04 < Cyrius> oow oow
2008-01-14 16:04 < Wizardman> who who
2008-01-14 16:05 < Doc_glasgow> woo is moo upside down
2008-01-14 16:06 < Doc_glasgow> an Ustralian cow
2008-01-14 16:06 < Doc_glasgow> or a NewZealand version of NotACow
2008-01-14 16:06 < LawrenceWCohen> do those cows lay eggs, down under?
2008-01-14 16:07 < Doc_glasgow> cows don't lay eggs, no
2008-01-14 16:08 < LawrenceWCohen> shame. would've been a good sized omelette.
2008-01-14 16:08 < Doc_glasgow> LawrenceWCohen: I /really/ hope you don't edit zoology articles for wikipedia
2008-01-14 16:08 < Doc_glasgow> if you think cows lay egs
2008-01-14 16:08 < LawrenceWCohen> Doc: only the OR seizes me ;)
2008-01-14 16:09 < LawrenceWCohen> Doc: and no, never really. although thanks to the miracle of genetics, I'm sure we'll have monstrous platycows soon
2008-01-14 16:09 < Doc_glasgow> LawrenceWCohen: and how would you originally research that? Stand under them and see what comes out
2008-01-14 16:09 < LawrenceWCohen> Doc: yes, but you have to warm your hands first
2008-01-14 16:09 * Doc_glasgow gives LawrenceWCohen a pat on the head
2008-01-14 16:40 < The359> effing locked database
2008-01-14 16:40 < Scott5114> die database
2008-01-14 16:40 < UserNat> well that answers my question....before i even ask it....
2008-01-14 16:41 < Scott5114> good god this is a long one
2008-01-14 16:41 < Scott5114> GRAAAH UNLOCK
2008-01-14 16:41 < The359> Urge to kill...
2008-01-14 16:41 < The359> Rising...
2008-01-14 16:42 < Scott5114> throw database masters into the ocean
2008-01-14 16:42 < Scott5114> or slaves
2008-01-14 16:42 < Scott5114> either
2008-01-14 16:42 < Scott5114> good god
2008-01-14 16:42 < The359> Kill them all and let Jimbo sort them out
2008-01-14 16:43 < Scott5114> what is the deal
2008-01-14 16:43 < The359> I blame UserNat
2008-01-14 16:43 < Addhoc> yipee
2008-01-14 16:43 < UserNat> why?
2008-01-14 16:43 < LawrenceWCohen> Anyone fancy a cup of methodone while we wait?
2008-01-14 16:43 < Addhoc> it's over
2008-01-14 16:44 < Cyrius> "What is MacWorld without rampant speculation? This year, though, someone is going the extra mile and is using Wikipedia to spread what looks to be a fake outline for the Stevenote tomorrow. "
2008-01-14 16:45 < The359> They should be slaughtered, Cyrius
2008-01-14 16:46 < Messedrocker> when is CackWorld
2008-01-14 16:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Zomg
2008-01-14 16:46 * Ceiling_Cat didn't realize daniel shorr was in his 90s
2008-01-14 16:47 < Ceiling_Cat> I thought early 80s, tops
2008-01-14 16:47 < Ceiling_Cat> he's nearly 100
2008-01-14 16:47 < Sunderland2006> how would i plainlink this http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sunderland06 so it said "it"
2008-01-14 16:47 < Messedrocker> ceiling jon
2008-01-14 16:47 < Messedrocker> jon the cat
2008-01-14 16:47 < Messedrocker> everyone loves
2008-01-14 16:47 < Messedrocker> ceiling jon the cat
2008-01-14 16:47 < Messedrocker> CJC
2008-01-14 16:47 < NotACow> chuckabee!
2008-01-14 16:47 < Messedrocker> fuckabee
2008-01-14 16:47 * Ceiling_Cat watches Messedrocker FAP to pictures of ceiling jon
2008-01-14 16:48 < Messedrocker> no no no
2008-01-14 16:48 < bumm13> hiya Messedrocker
2008-01-14 16:48 < FormentarHome> Messedrocker: I tried, but it was too small!
2008-01-14 16:48 < NotACow> eric the halfabee
2008-01-14 16:48 < Messedrocker> YOU'RE ceiling jon
2008-01-14 16:48 < Messedrocker> the cat
2008-01-14 16:48 < NotACow> jon jon
2008-01-14 16:48 < NotACow> mooch
2008-01-14 16:48 < Messedrocker> fuckacow
2008-01-14 16:49 * Ceiling_Cat tips NotACow
2008-01-14 16:49 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-14 16:51 < Ceiling_Cat> I wonder if Daniel Schorr will still work at NPR after he hits 100
2008-01-14 16:54 < bumm13> 100 is damn old for a man
2008-01-14 16:55 < Ceiling_Cat> I wonder if anyone keeps working after 100
2008-01-14 16:55 < bumm13> it's hard to imagine
2008-01-14 16:55 < bumm13> it seems pointless
2008-01-14 16:55 < uberpenguin> The359: I gave you some strong support on that page just to turn their screws a bit
2008-01-14 16:55 < Ceiling_Cat> I mean, at that age, the mind starts to go downhill fast
2008-01-14 16:55 < bumm13> it does
2008-01-14 16:55 < bumm13> for those who even make it to that age
2008-01-14 16:56 < uberpenguin> it seems amusing, so I came out of retirement temporarily to threaten the peons with the mighty banhammer
2008-01-14 16:56 < FormentarHome> Ceiling_Cat: Some have, I gather. Political work, lecturing, that sort of thing.
2008-01-14 16:56 < The359> what page, uberpenguin?
2008-01-14 16:56 < Ceiling_Cat> on the other hand, studies have shown that keeping your brain well 'exercised' tends to reduce the incidence and severity of mental disease and degeneration
2008-01-14 16:56 < uberpenguin> The359: bethlehem steel
2008-01-14 16:56 < bumm13> yeah
2008-01-14 16:56 < The359> ah, good
2008-01-14 16:56 < Ceiling_Cat> they discovered that, ironically, in a nunnery in ohio
2008-01-14 16:56 < bumm13> use it or really really lose it ;)
2008-01-14 16:56 < uberpenguin> and for what it's worth, I think you're right
2008-01-14 16:57 < The359> I try
2008-01-14 16:57 < uberpenguin> but I threw a good bit of policy at them and the ominous threat of the banhammer... that might scare them away from pursuing it
2008-01-14 16:57 < Ceiling_Cat> apparently they found this order of nunns in ohio whose order feels that 'an idle mind is the devil's playground' -- so the nunnery keeps its nuns very mentally active
2008-01-14 16:57 < bumm13> heeheee
2008-01-14 16:57 < uberpenguin> and if that doesn't perhaps the evil empire of the dispute resolution bureaucracy will
2008-01-14 16:57 < Ceiling_Cat> they have weekly debates, the library is *very* active, etc
2008-01-14 16:57 < The359> hopefully
2008-01-14 16:57 < The359> They seem to all be friends of one another
2008-01-14 16:57 < Ceiling_Cat> the incidence and severity of mental degeneraiton is *substantially* lower than the rest of the population
2008-01-14 16:57 < uberpenguin> if it did go to RFC people would side with you anyway
2008-01-14 16:58 < uberpenguin> so as long as you're willing to pursue it and NOT EDIT WAR OVER IT
2008-01-14 16:58 < uberpenguin> you'll win
2008-01-14 16:58 < The359> yeah
2008-01-14 16:58 < The359> I'm trying to avoid 3RR
2008-01-14 16:58 < uberpenguin> don't revert again
2008-01-14 16:58 < uberpenguin> that's how you avoid it
2008-01-14 16:58 < uberpenguin> doesn't matter if they do
2008-01-14 16:58 < uberpenguin> there is never a reason to edit war
2008-01-14 16:58 < The359> don't plan to
2008-01-14 16:58 < The359> I'm trying to keep it on the Talk page
2008-01-14 16:59 < uberpenguin> and it will only weaken your position before the 16 year old gods of the wikipedia judicial
2008-01-14 17:01 < The359> ty though
2008-01-14 17:02 < uberpenguin> no problem, my motives are only selfish anyway
2008-01-14 17:02 < uberpenguin> the only thing that can bring me out of editing retirement is pissing idiots off
2008-01-14 17:02 < bumm13> Ceiling_Cat: it does make you wonder how many people don't actively use their mind much :x
2008-01-14 17:12 < Mike3> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080111/wl_uk_afp/britainchildrenadoptionmarriage;_ylt=AieA9DtfSA5etxi2h2j2MNis0NUE
2008-01-14 17:18 < The359> Star Wars already did it
2008-01-14 17:28 < party> hi
2008-01-14 17:30 < Messedrocker> SIDAWAYYYY
2008-01-14 17:31 < Tony_Sidaway> Messedrocker: greetings. Ten out of ten for enthusiasm, zero out of ten for spelling.
2008-01-14 17:33 < shimgray> Journal title du jour: "Case report: sexual intercourse as potential treatment for intractable hiccups"
2008-01-14 17:33 < shimgray> s/journal/article/
2008-01-14 17:33 < Mike_H> shimgray: oh, there, there.
2008-01-14 17:42 < Ceiling_Cat> good evening all!
2008-01-14 17:42 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-01-14 17:52 < patbam> hi, i have been working on an article about a language called kawaiisu, and i discovered that the people (the Kawaiisu) may in fact refer to themselves as the Nuwa ( http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/ViewPost/42602 ). what's the right way to handle this in terms of the page title and redirecting and such?
2008-01-14 17:52 < LawrenceWCohen> which form/name is most commonly used in regards to the English language?
2008-01-14 17:53 < patbam> kawaiisu
2008-01-14 17:53 < LawrenceWCohen> Probably want [[Kawaiisu]] as the article name, then
2008-01-14 17:53 < LawrenceWCohen> redirect [[Nuwa]] to that
2008-01-14 17:53 < patbam> so maybe the thing to do is redirect from nuwa to kawaiisu, and then mention that some members of the tribe prefer nuwa
2008-01-14 17:54 * Mike_H pets LawrenceWCohen
2008-01-14 17:54 < LawrenceWCohen> people keep petting and patting me, but I don't know how to do it back. I feel left out.
2008-01-14 17:55 < Mike_H> it's forward slash, and then me and then the command
2008-01-14 17:55 < patbam> working on articles about dying languages is depressing :(
2008-01-14 17:55 < The359> If the article is on the language
2008-01-14 17:55 < Mike_H> */me pets
2008-01-14 17:55 < Mike_H> but without the *
2008-01-14 17:55 < The359> Then the name of the tribe shouldn't have much affect on it
2008-01-14 17:55 < The359> Unless they also name the language Nuwa
2008-01-14 17:55 * LawrenceWCohen pats Mike_H on the head
2008-01-14 17:55 < LawrenceWCohen> groovy
2008-01-14 17:55 < Mike_H> yay
2008-01-14 17:55 < Mike_H> Groovy? Are you my dad?
2008-01-14 17:55 < Mike_H> :o
2008-01-14 17:55 * LawrenceWCohen learn new trick
2008-01-14 17:56 < patbam> The359: true. i guess i'm actually talking about [[Kawaiisu]], not [[Kawaiisu language]]. "Nuwa" means the people, so it doesn't refer to the language
2008-01-14 17:56 * The359 stabs Mike_H
2008-01-14 17:56 < LawrenceWCohen> I'm only as old as my hairline
2008-01-14 17:56 * Mike_H bleeds on The359's new dress
2008-01-14 17:56 < bumm13> :x
2008-01-14 17:56 < Mike_H> LawrenceWCohen: Oh, honey, that's not saying much, my dad still has his full hair
2008-01-14 17:56 < Mike_H> it's just gray now
2008-01-14 17:56 < The359> you would
2008-01-14 17:56 < Mike_H> Yes, I WOULD.
2008-01-14 17:56 < The359> whore
2008-01-14 17:57 < Mike_H> I'm not the one with the bleedy dress.
2008-01-14 17:57 < The359> I don't make it look trashy
2008-01-14 17:57 < LawrenceWCohen> Mike_H: 50% of my family on either side had literal manes of dark hair through their 70s. I got the short genetic straw
2008-01-14 17:57 < LawrenceWCohen> or as the family lovingly puts it, my hair is on the short bus to the barber
2008-01-14 17:57 < Mike_H> LawrenceWCohen: On my dad's side, his father has completely white hair, but his mother still has brown hair
2008-01-14 17:57 < Mike_H> and they're in their mid-80s
2008-01-14 17:58 < Mike_H> but it's that clean Virginia living!
2008-01-14 17:58 < Mike_H> and by clean Virginia living, I mean lots of tobaccy.
2008-01-14 17:59 < Mike_H> bumm13: Both of my grandparents quit smoking in 2006.
2008-01-14 17:59 < Mike_H> My grandfather was 80 and my grandmother was 84.
2008-01-14 18:00 < Mike_H> My grandfather smoked all his life. My grandmother started when she was 50 (!)
2008-01-14 18:02 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_Roadmaster Whoever adds a section to an article titled "Fun Facts!" should be shot
2008-01-14 18:02 < Mike_H> fun fact: The359 hates fun facts!
2008-01-14 18:03 < LawrenceWCohen> Rename it "trivia", that is socially acceptable
2008-01-14 18:03 < The359> Not really
2008-01-14 18:04 < The359> Trivia sections are discouraged
2008-01-14 18:04 < LawrenceWCohen> I know, I was kidding
2008-01-14 18:04 < The359> I'll rename it Trivia and add the usual Trivia template
2008-01-14 18:04 < LawrenceWCohen> I've found a few good ones here and there that I easily turned into decent paragraphs. I think people form this as trivia bullet points since its easier
2008-01-14 18:05 < Mike_H> Historian Doris Kearns Goodwin wrote that Fresca was the favorite drink of U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson, who had a button installed on the desk in the White House's Oval Office which would summon his military aide to bring the drink.
2008-01-14 18:05 < Mike_H> That is the trivia moment for today.
2008-01-14 18:05 * Mike_H bows.
2008-01-14 18:06 < The359> Go find me some weather data, bitch
2008-01-14 18:06 < Mike_H> >:(
2008-01-14 18:06 < Mike_H> It's cold hurr today.
2008-01-14 18:07 < quanticle> The359: Its damn cold in Minnesota. That's all the weather you need
2008-01-14 18:07 < Mike_H> # Tonight: Mostly clear. Low 42F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph.
2008-01-14 18:07 < Mike_H> # Tomorrow: Mostly sunny skies. High near 65F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph.
2008-01-14 18:07 * The359 is glad to have been reminded of the existance of Allison Stokke
2008-01-14 18:09 < Mike_H> zomg naked
2008-01-14 18:09 < Mike_H> wait
2008-01-14 18:09 < Mike_H> isn't Rinn a chick?
2008-01-14 18:10 < bumm13> such a tease...
2008-01-14 18:10 * Rinn|DryandNaked nods
2008-01-14 18:13 < bumm13> Rinn: do you edit WP a lot?
2008-01-14 18:13 < bumm13> (curious)
2008-01-14 18:13 < Rinn> Not really. My primary contributions consist of grammar fixes.
2008-01-14 18:14 < bumm13> ah
2008-01-14 18:14 < The359> stop flirting
2008-01-14 18:14 < The359> get a room
2008-01-14 18:14 < bumm13> :P
2008-01-14 18:14 * bumm13 locks The359 in a broom closet
2008-01-14 18:14 < bumm13> :D
2008-01-14 18:15 < bumm13> for what it's worth, I'm an "old man" here, which isn't sexy ;)
2008-01-14 18:15 < The359> I don't know, I've seen a lot of women wanting sugar daddies
2008-01-14 18:15 < bumm13> I'm not rich :P
2008-01-14 18:15 < The359> You fool, you're ruining your chances
2008-01-14 18:17 < SNORLAX> at least he has a hot bumm
2008-01-14 18:17 < The359> I'd tap it
2008-01-14 18:17 < bumm13> :P
2008-01-14 18:23 < patbam> can anyone help me fix the reference at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawaiisu_language#Geographic_distribution ? I don't know why the first name is showing up as the anchor text
2008-01-14 18:26 < The359> are you trying to cite a book or a website?
2008-01-14 18:27 < patbam> The359: a book
2008-01-14 18:28 < The359> why do you have a URL in the citation then?
2008-01-14 18:28 < patbam> The359: http://books.google.com/books?id=-FEHI3mnrrYC that one
2008-01-14 18:28 < patbam> you mean to the author's home page? i thought that's what authorurl meant
2008-01-14 18:28 < The359> no
2008-01-14 18:28 < The359> authorlink just means the name of the link to be used
2008-01-14 18:29 < The359> authorlink: Title of Wikipedia article about author. Article should already exist. Must not be wikilinked itself. Do not use this on its own, but along with "author" or "first" and "last".
2008-01-14 18:29 < patbam> ah i se
2008-01-14 18:29 < patbam> e
2008-01-14 18:30 < patbam> so if there were a [[Leanne Hinton]]
2008-01-14 18:30 < The359> since your author doesn't have an article, that section shouldn't be filled in
2008-01-14 18:30 * patbam checks
2008-01-14 18:30 < patbam> ok.
2008-01-14 18:30 < The359> I've fixed it for you
2008-01-14 18:30 < The359> Also, references should go above External links
2008-01-14 18:31 < The359> And you might want to add some categories
2008-01-14 18:31 < patbam> is the way that i stuck the cite template in the article correct?
2008-01-14 18:31 < The359> yes
2008-01-14 18:32 < patbam> done and done :)
2008-01-14 18:32 < patbam> thanks
2008-01-14 19:05 < Ceiling_Cat> has anyone seen cbrown?
2008-01-14 19:06 < Starnestommy> he turned to dog food
2008-01-14 19:09 < Rinn> What'd Xihix get banned for?
2008-01-14 19:10 < The359> being annoying, most likely
2008-01-14 19:12 < DoubleAW> hey any spambots recently
2008-01-14 19:17 < dungodung> happy wikipedia day!!!
2008-01-14 19:23 < bumm13> !!!
2008-01-14 19:33 < Mike3> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chipmunk&diff=prev&oldid=181721679
2008-01-14 19:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Rory!
2008-01-14 19:42 * Ceiling_Cat welcomes back our wayward son
2008-01-14 19:43 < Messedrocker> rory!!!
2008-01-14 19:43 < Messedrocker> Ceiling_Cat, there is piece y/n?
2008-01-14 19:43 < Messedrocker> peace*
2008-01-14 19:43 < rory096> hey Messedrocker
2008-01-14 19:43 < rory096> and Ceil
2008-01-14 19:43 * Rinn balks
2008-01-14 19:43 < rory096> Ceiling_Cat*
2008-01-14 19:43 < Rinn> The first thing I saw in {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} was the word "fart."
2008-01-14 19:44 < Messedrocker> charles
2008-01-14 19:44 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - don't you cry no more
2008-01-14 19:44 < Messedrocker> in charge
2008-01-14 19:44 < Messedrocker> of FA
2008-01-14 19:44 < Messedrocker> and GY!
2008-01-14 19:49 < NotACow> RUN! HIDE! INCOMING KITTEN ATTACK!
2008-01-14 19:50 * quanticle looks around
2008-01-14 19:51 < quanticle> Kittens? Where?
2008-01-14 19:51 < NotACow> they're invisible attack kittens
2008-01-14 19:53 * quanticle switches to infrared
2008-01-14 19:53 < NotACow> wikback is now the #3 referrer to my blog
2008-01-14 19:53 < quanticle> Still nothing
2008-01-14 19:53 < quanticle> NotACow: wikback?
2008-01-14 19:53 < NotACow> quanticle: they're avoiding you
2008-01-14 19:53 < NotACow> quanticle: www.wikback.com
2008-01-14 19:53 * Messedrocker goes to the blergy blog
2008-01-14 19:53 < NotACow> quanticle: it's a third-party site for discussing wikipedia
2008-01-14 19:54 < quanticle> NotACow: Where's your blog again? I lost the bookmark... :(
2008-01-14 19:54 < NotACow> quanticle: nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com
2008-01-14 19:54 < NotACow> quanticle: http://nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com to make your client happier :)
2008-01-14 19:55 * quanticle bookmarks again
2008-01-14 20:10 * TheWeasel watches Wainwright At Berlin
2008-01-14 20:10 < TheWeasel> it's pretty grand
2008-01-14 20:10 < TheWeasel> he fits the city
2008-01-14 20:10 < TheWeasel> like Bowie did around 1980
2008-01-14 20:11 < TheWeasel> or Lou Reed did
2008-01-14 20:14 < bumm13> hiya TheWeasel
2008-01-14 20:14 < TheWeasel> hey
2008-01-14 20:16 < bumm13> my DVD player's remote control vanished :X
2008-01-14 20:17 < The359> SNORLAX at it
2008-01-14 20:17 < bumm13> *ate ;)
2008-01-14 20:17 < The359> whichever
2008-01-14 20:18 < bumm13> it was right next to me, then.......*poof*
2008-01-14 20:18 < Cyrius> the snorlax et yer remote
2008-01-14 20:18 < bumm13> I've completely patted down/turned over the recliner I was sitting in, no dice
2008-01-14 20:18 < bumm13> (shook it, etc.)
2008-01-14 20:18 < bumm13> not in my pockets
2008-01-14 20:18 * Ceiling_Cat returns
2008-01-14 20:18 < bumm13> or anywhere else
2008-01-14 20:18 < bumm13> :(
2008-01-14 20:18 < The359> check your sphincter?
2008-01-14 20:19 * bumm13 has a handy nearby yardstick check The359's sphincter
2008-01-14 20:19 < bumm13> :-)
2008-01-14 20:20 < Ceiling_Cat> zomg goatse
2008-01-14 20:21 < bumm13> worse, this is an oddball-brand DVD player that I got for free....
2008-01-14 20:21 < bumm13> so I've failed at getting a universal remote to work with it (so far)
2008-01-14 20:22 < ALLSTARecho> tried a learning remote?
2008-01-14 20:40 < Cyrius> ALLSTARecho: that's not going to work for him now =)
2008-01-14 20:40 * bumm13 stabs the recliner where his remote control was
2008-01-14 20:41 * Doc_glasgow stabs all
2008-01-14 20:42 < The359> Are you in the right house?
2008-01-14 20:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Doc_glasgow needs more huggles
2008-01-14 20:42 < Ceiling_Cat> he didn't get enough as a 'youngin
2008-01-14 20:42 < Doc_glasgow> Ceiling_Cat: shall I hey [[Hug]] up to FA
2008-01-14 20:42 < Doc_glasgow> *get
2008-01-14 20:43 < Ceiling_Cat> Doc_glasgow - of course
2008-01-14 20:43 < Doc_glasgow> that /would/ be a challange
2008-01-14 20:43 < Doc_glasgow> fir for Giano
2008-01-14 20:43 < Master_son> how exactly does one force something to lowercase - without linking
2008-01-14 20:43 < Doc_glasgow> *fit
2008-01-14 20:43 < Master_son> I was trying {{lc}}
2008-01-14 20:43 * bumm13 throws rocks at The359
2008-01-14 20:43 < bumm13> :)
2008-01-14 20:48 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - why throw rocks when you can throw hand grenades?
2008-01-14 20:48 * Ceiling_Cat throws hand grenades at bumm13, The359, and Master_son
2008-01-14 20:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Master_son - what do you mean?
2008-01-14 20:49 < Master_son> I tried using [[Template:Lc]] since it was described as forces all to lowercase - but found out it also links to a category - so the Help on ParserFunctions is wrong
2008-01-14 20:50 < Ceiling_Cat> I still don't understand what lc does
2008-01-14 20:50 < Master_son> ok
2008-01-14 20:50 < Ceiling_Cat> oh, no
2008-01-14 20:50 < Ceiling_Cat> lc = link to category
2008-01-14 20:50 < Ceiling_Cat> not lower case
2008-01-14 20:51 < Ceiling_Cat> it's basically a cheap ass way of linking to a category for people who don't want to learn the real mediawiki way of doing it
2008-01-14 20:51 < Cyrius> try {{lowercase}}
2008-01-14 20:51 < Ceiling_Cat> which is [[:category:blah|like this]]
2008-01-14 20:51 < Doc_glasgow> there is now an admin wheel war about whether to give Santa rollack :(
2008-01-14 20:51 < Cyrius> but...why do you want it?
2008-01-14 20:51 < Cyrius> it generally shouldn't be needed
2008-01-14 20:52 < Ceiling_Cat> Master_son - tell us where you want to use it, and how\
2008-01-14 20:52 < Ceiling_Cat> and we'll tell you the right way of doing what you want to do
2008-01-14 20:52 * Master_son trys {{lowercase}}
2008-01-14 20:52 < Ceiling_Cat> (The Right Way is a trademark of Raul654. All rights reserved.)
2008-01-14 20:53 < Doc_glasgow> Master_son: Ceiling_Cat willshow you the ways of the wik
2008-01-14 20:53 < Cyrius> wiki, not the wik
2008-01-14 20:53 < Cyrius> the wik is something else, that should not be taught
2008-01-14 20:53 < Doc_glasgow> the ways of the wiki strange and unknowable they are
2008-01-14 20:54 * Ceiling_Cat turns up the volume
2008-01-14 20:54 < Gracenotes> Ceiling_Cat should contribute some [[WP:KOAN]]s, then
2008-01-14 20:57 * Cyrius wonders why Master_son never said why he wanted it
2008-01-14 20:58 < Master_son> trying to create a substitutatble template to add a ref quickly from my userspace
2008-01-14 20:59 < Master_son> and the word I want to use has to be capitalized and lowercased (one of each occurance)
2008-01-14 20:59 < Master_son> I gave up anyway - thanks
2008-01-14 20:59 < Cyrius> that's not what {{lowercase}} was for, anyway
2008-01-14 20:59 * Master_son figured that out
2008-01-14 20:59 < Cyrius> I doubt anything exists to do what you want
2008-01-14 21:00 < Cyrius> could probably write a javascript thingy
2008-01-14 21:00 < Master_son> maybe later.
2008-01-14 21:00 < Master_son> :)
2008-01-14 21:04 < quanticle> Master_son: Perl/Python are your friends in this regard
2008-01-14 21:05 < Gracenotes> so is Haskell
2008-01-14 21:06 < Gracenotes> depending on your taste in friends :P
2008-01-14 21:06 < Crimedog> Just said my peace about the ipblock exempt proposal
2008-01-14 21:09 < Ceiling_Cat> ewww
2008-01-14 21:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Haskell = the devil
2008-01-14 21:11 < Gracenotes> Ceiling_Cat: but it's fun!
2008-01-14 21:11 < Gracenotes> in a creepy academic way
2008-01-14 21:14 < Parkin_m> Hello: I just tried to open a wikipedia page using a really simple python socket program i wrote - but im getting just an error message
2008-01-14 21:14 < Parkin_m> could anyone help?
2008-01-14 21:14 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: If Haskell is the devil, then what is Prolog?
2008-01-14 21:15 < quanticle> Parkin_m: What's your error?
2008-01-14 21:15 < Parkin_m> (i am just using the socket program to check whether or not the webpage has been created yet)
2008-01-14 21:15 < Gracenotes> Parkin_m: did you use a User-Agent?
2008-01-14 21:15 < Dtobias> If it was Perl I could help, but I don't do Python.
2008-01-14 21:15 < Parkin_m> no I am not using a user-agent - will I need to spoof one?
2008-01-14 21:15 < Gracenotes> Parkin_m: as far as I recall, yes
2008-01-14 21:15 < Dtobias> Are Python programs supposed to be named "Monty"?
2008-01-14 21:15 < Gracenotes> but that might have changed
2008-01-14 21:15 < Gracenotes> monty.py :P
2008-01-14 21:15 < Parkin_m> lol
2008-01-14 21:16 < quanticle> Parkin_m: Probably. Spoof the Google spider's user agent
2008-01-14 21:16 < Dtobias> spam a lot
2008-01-14 21:16 < Gracenotes> Parkin_m: and if that doesn't help, you could pastebin
2008-01-14 21:16 < quanticle> Dtobias: No, but references to Monty Python are encouraged in the documentation
2008-01-14 21:16 < Parkin_m> ok thanks, give me a few minutes to see if the spoofing does the job :>
2008-01-14 21:16 < IceKarma> yeah, pastebinning the results wuld make it a lot easier
2008-01-14 21:16 < Gracenotes> or the code
2008-01-14 21:16 < IceKarma> there's only three hundred billion things that could be wrong
2008-01-14 21:17 < Gracenotes> quanticle: I like the freshfruit = [' banana', ' loganberry ', 'passion fruit '] / [weapon.strip() for weapon in freshfruit] especially :)
2008-01-14 21:17 < Gracenotes> all of the other stuff was kind of banal
2008-01-14 21:17 < Gracenotes> s/stuff/references
2008-01-14 21:18 < Parkin_m> anyone remember how to spoof useragent in python - before i start frisking my friend google?
2008-01-14 21:18 < Gracenotes> Parkin_m: which module are you using for this?
2008-01-14 21:18 < Parkin_m> im using urllib and urlopen()
2008-01-14 21:20 < Gracenotes> apparently you'll have to subclass urllib.URLOpener
2008-01-14 21:20 < Gracenotes> :|
2008-01-14 21:20 < Gracenotes> s/URLOpener/URLopener
2008-01-14 21:21 < Gracenotes> looks like urllib2 has this: http://docs.python.org/lib/request-objects.html
2008-01-14 21:21 < Leslie_S> my english comp teacher assigned us to read a playboy article
2008-01-14 21:21 < Leslie_S> seriously, wtf.
2008-01-14 21:21 < Gracenotes> with an add_header("User-Agent", "My agent/2.7818281828") you could do
2008-01-14 21:22 < Parkin_m> what do you think of this Gracenotes http://vsbabu.org/mt/archives/2003/05/27/urllib2_setting_http_headers.html
2008-01-14 21:22 < Parkin_m> thanks for this help btw ;)
2008-01-14 21:22 < Gracenotes> sans the first 8 :<
2008-01-14 21:22 < Gracenotes> Parkin_m: exactly what I just said ^_^
2008-01-14 21:23 < Parkin_m> :>
2008-01-14 21:23 < Gracenotes> so
2008-01-14 21:23 < Gracenotes> req = urllib2.Request(url)
2008-01-14 21:23 < Dtobias> Does Wikipedia sniff user agents?
2008-01-14 21:23 < Gracenotes> req.add_header("User-Agent", "whatever")
2008-01-14 21:24 < Gracenotes> then proceed to page-getting stuffs
2008-01-14 21:24 < Monobi> Gracenotes, you know python?
2008-01-14 21:24 < Gracenotes> Monobi: a bit
2008-01-14 21:24 < Lubaf> NP: Megaman 3,4,5 and 6 all being played off the same input.
2008-01-14 21:24 < Gracenotes> I'm pretty familiar with the language at this point; less so with some of the modules
2008-01-14 21:24 * Gracenotes learned it about 2 weeks ago
2008-01-14 21:25 < Gracenotes> I read through some of the pywikipedia source code. Understand what I've read, but there's a lot of it :)
2008-01-14 21:25 < Monobi> print Gracenotes
2008-01-14 21:25 < Lubaf> Gracenotes: Have you reached the point where you're not making any thinkos yet?
2008-01-14 21:25 < Gracenotes> <'Gracenotes' object at 0x0dfj549zomgz954>
2008-01-14 21:25 < Dtobias> 10 PRINT "Gracenotes": GOTO 10
2008-01-14 21:25 < Gracenotes> :O
2008-01-14 21:26 < Gracenotes> Lubaf: thinkos? I don't read you...
2008-01-14 21:26 < Monobi> if 'Gracenotes' > 10: print 'yes' else: print 'no'
2008-01-14 21:26 < Monobi> O.o
2008-01-14 21:26 < Lubaf> Gracenotes: Inadvertently making mistakes that are easily spotted.
2008-01-14 21:26 < Gracenotes> Lubaf: only in syntax
2008-01-14 21:26 < Dtobias> FOR GRACENOTES=1 TO 1000: PRINT GRACENOTES: NEXT
2008-01-14 21:26 < Gracenotes> at this point, anyway
2008-01-14 21:27 < Gracenotes> Dtobias: I learned QBASIC a while ago :)
2008-01-14 21:27 < Monobi> hiya Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-14 21:28 < Ceiling_Cat> hello
2008-01-14 21:32 < IceKarma> Lubaf, do you mean thinkos as in, say, the fencepost error?
2008-01-14 21:32 < Lubaf> IceKarma: Yeah.
2008-01-14 21:32 < Lubaf> That kind of thing.
2008-01-14 21:34 < Parkin_m> Gracenotes: http://pastebin.com/mcb875c1 see any problems? :/
2008-01-14 21:35 < Parkin_m> output of the page is ﾋ
2008-01-14 21:35 < Parkin_m> -_-
2008-01-14 21:36 < Monobi> Parkin_m, you wanna access wikipedia?
2008-01-14 21:37 < Parkin_m> i just want to search a page of my choice for: <b>Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.</b>
2008-01-14 21:38 < Parkin_m> using python
2008-01-14 21:38 < Monobi> Parkin_m, [[m:pywikipedia]]
2008-01-14 21:38 < Parkin_m> ?
2008-01-14 21:38 < Monobi> here
2008-01-14 21:38 < Monobi> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/pywikipedia
2008-01-14 21:42 < Parkin_m> hmm
2008-01-14 21:42 < Ceiling_Cat> LOUDER!
2008-01-14 21:42 * Ceiling_Cat can't hear you
2008-01-14 21:42 < Monobi> HMM
2008-01-14 21:42 < Gracenotes> Parkin_m: I think the problem is that you were served gzip
2008-01-14 21:42 < Monobi> Parkin_m, ?
2008-01-14 21:42 < Gracenotes> maybe
2008-01-14 21:43 < Monobi> CoJaBo______, O.o
2008-01-14 21:43 < Monobi> Got enough underscores :) ?
2008-01-14 21:43 < Parkin_m> sorted!!!
2008-01-14 21:43 < Parkin_m> i just removed the gzip :>
2008-01-14 21:44 < Parkin_m> excellent, thanks so much for your help
2008-01-14 21:44 < Gracenotes> Parkin_m: sure
2008-01-14 21:44 < Gracenotes> pywikipedia is a good library, though
2008-01-14 21:44 < Gracenotes> although it's not the smallest :)
2008-01-14 21:45 < Monobi> or smartest
2008-01-14 21:45 < Gracenotes> well, that's up for debate...
2008-01-14 21:45 < Gracenotes> unless you know of a smarter one :)
2008-01-14 21:45 < Monobi> --- Debate topic: Is pywikipedia a good mediawiki lib? ----
2008-01-14 21:45 < Gracenotes> well, it's the best python lib
2008-01-14 21:45 < Monobi> Gracenotes vs Monobi, 2008
2008-01-14 21:45 < Gracenotes> :O :O :O
2008-01-14 21:46 < Gracenotes> I'm not even sure MediaWiki is the best MediaWiki lib :P
2008-01-14 21:46 * Monobi brings in the socks to back him up ;)
2008-01-14 21:46 < Monobi> * Is pywikipedia a good lib to acccess mediawiki ?
2008-01-14 21:46 < Gracenotes> one can say of it: it works
2008-01-14 21:46 < Monobi> indeed
2008-01-14 21:46 < Gracenotes> it = MediaWiki
2008-01-14 21:47 < Gracenotes> pywikipedia is good for maintenance tasks. By "best", do you mean usability or organization?
2008-01-14 21:47 < Gracenotes> in terms of usability, pywikipedia is pretty good
2008-01-14 21:47 < Gracenotes> in terms of organization, well, that's always subjective.
2008-01-14 21:47 < Gracenotes> there aren't GOTOs all over the place :P
2008-01-14 21:47 < Gracenotes> (mostly because python doesn't have those)
2008-01-14 21:48 * Gracenotes pokes Monobi and Monobi2
2008-01-14 21:49 < Monobi2> two pings O.O
2008-01-14 21:50 < Monobi> Not_the_NSA, /identify ?
2008-01-14 21:50 < Not_the_NSA> Monobi: my client has been lagging
2008-01-14 21:50 < Not_the_NSA> i is indentified
2008-01-14 21:50 < Not_the_NSA> but the join is shown O.o
2008-01-14 21:51 < Not_the_NSA> daniel bryant now knows my IP zomg
2008-01-14 21:51 < Monobi> Not_the_NSA, I've know it for a while :p
2008-01-14 21:52 < Not_the_NSA> Monobi: you're daniel brandt o.o
2008-01-14 21:52 < Not_the_NSA> zomg
2008-01-14 21:52 < Not_the_NSA> oops i said bryant b4
2008-01-14 21:52 < Monobi> and...?
2008-01-14 21:53 < Not_the_NSA> Monobi: you are daniel brandt as you just admitted O.o
2008-01-14 21:53 < Not_the_NSA> zomg
2008-01-14 21:53 < Monobi> Not_the_NSA, erm, no
2008-01-14 21:53 < Monobi> my name isn't daniel
2008-01-14 21:53 < Monobi> nor brandt