freenode #wikipedia

2008-01-13 21:57 < phed_> and not surprised when I read papers that show that skepticism in american science is a huge problem
2008-01-13 21:57 < phed_> Bah, WikiNews should interview him before he dies
2008-01-13 21:57 < Mike_H> phed_: Arne Naess is dead.
2008-01-13 21:57 < phed_> Mike_H: No
2008-01-13 21:58 < phed_> Mike_H: Arne Næss Jr. is dead
2008-01-13 21:58 < Mike_H> You mean Diana Ross's husband?
2008-01-13 21:58 < Cyrius> santa claus isn't real
2008-01-13 21:58 < phed_> Mike_H: This is his uncle
2008-01-13 21:58 < bumm13> *<|>:^{}
2008-01-13 21:58 < phed_> And a much more important figure
2008-01-13 21:58 < phed_> The father of norwegian sciene :)
2008-01-13 22:02 < phed_> oh well
2008-01-13 22:11 < phed_> Hmm, I edited it a bit more. Can anybody review? :)
2008-01-13 22:16 < wba> if anybody remembers.. i was talking about paszek janković match
2008-01-13 22:16 < wba> they're still playing :o
2008-01-13 22:24 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.destynysphynx.com/mustseeimages/image16.jpg
2008-01-13 22:24 < Ceiling_Cat> !
2008-01-13 22:25 < Gracenotes> *sighs*
2008-01-13 22:25 < Cyrius> huddling for warmth!
2008-01-13 22:25 * Ceiling_Cat wants one
2008-01-13 22:26 < Cyrius> ...why!?
2008-01-13 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> because they're so cute
2008-01-13 22:26 < Gracenotes> Ceiling_Cat: are we going to hear you say that for the next 6 months?
2008-01-13 22:26 < Ryanpostlethwait> oh god, what the hell are they?
2008-01-13 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> Gracenotes - quite possibly
2008-01-13 22:26 < Cyrius> Ryanpostlethwait: hairless cats
2008-01-13 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> Ryanpostlethwait - Sphynx cats
2008-01-13 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> see [[Sphynx (cat)]]
2008-01-13 22:26 * zocky feels like an exhausted drone
2008-01-13 22:27 < Ryanpostlethwait> They look like they've been abused :-S
2008-01-13 22:27 < Ceiling_Cat> includeing [[Image:2 Sphynx speeing.jpg]], the cutest picture on wikipedia
2008-01-13 22:27 < zocky> i just reprogrammed the 150 channels on my set top box
2008-01-13 22:27 < Ceiling_Cat> think of them like fleshy paper weights
2008-01-13 22:27 < zocky> whoever came up with that user interface is a complete idiot
2008-01-13 22:27 < Ryanpostlethwait> I feel sorry for them, so I agree with Ceiling_Cat, they probably need someone to look after them, which makes them cute
2008-01-13 22:27 < Ceiling_Cat> Ryanpostlethwait - my mother had the same reaction when I told her I want one
2008-01-13 22:28 < Ceiling_Cat> she feels sorry for them and thinks they should never have been bred that way
2008-01-13 22:28 < IceKarma_> I don't feel sorry for them, I just feel that cats ought to have fur ;)
2008-01-13 22:28 < Ryanpostlethwait> Ceiling_Cat: I have to agree, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2_Sphynx_speeing.jpg is amazingly cute
2008-01-13 22:28 < bumm13> those bald cats?
2008-01-13 22:28 * Ryanpostlethwait has been converted
2008-01-13 22:29 < Messedrocker> we don't have wikipedia articles on the original macintosh operating systems
2008-01-13 22:29 < Messedrocker> pre System 6
2008-01-13 22:29 < Messedrocker> however they will be written soon
2008-01-13 22:29 * Ceiling_Cat wonders if Messedrocker would be as cute as a sphynx cat if shaved bald
2008-01-13 22:29 < Ceiling_Cat> :P
2008-01-13 22:29 < Messedrocker> well when you met me i was practically shaved bald
2008-01-13 22:30 < Messedrocker> however in my usual state i have quite the amount of hair
2008-01-13 22:30 < Messedrocker> if sage uploads the picture he took of me to wikipedia, you will see
2008-01-13 22:30 * Gracenotes concurs -- Messedrocker had a considerable amount of hair :<
2008-01-13 22:30 < Messedrocker> Gracenotes, which one were you?
2008-01-13 22:31 < Gracenotes> orange shirt, glasses
2008-01-13 22:31 < bumm13> Messedrocker: we should have articles on them, but most weren't that much more interesting than the original "Mac System" from 1984
2008-01-13 22:31 < Ryanpostlethwait> the short geeky one
2008-01-13 22:31 < Gracenotes> lol, not short
2008-01-13 22:31 < Ryanpostlethwait> well, I nearly guessed right
2008-01-13 22:31 < Messedrocker> Gracenotes, what side of the table at The Symposium were you sitting at
2008-01-13 22:31 < Gracenotes> the window side
2008-01-13 22:32 < bumm13> although Mac II series computers could handle 256-color images
2008-01-13 22:32 < Gracenotes> fourth chair from the table end
2008-01-13 22:32 < Messedrocker> the long table end?
2008-01-13 22:32 < Gracenotes> yes, not the corner end
2008-01-13 22:32 < Messedrocker> i was sitting by the guy who looks like einstein
2008-01-13 22:32 < Gracenotes> hehe. yes, I saw you
2008-01-13 22:32 < Messedrocker> he didn't talk enough about wikipedia :|
2008-01-13 22:32 * Mike_H pets Gracenotes
2008-01-13 22:32 < Mike_H> "I want to lightly powder your bottom!"
2008-01-13 22:33 < Mike_H> "Go to town, you bastard! My lady hamper is dirty!"
2008-01-13 22:33 < Gracenotes> your little discussion clique was quite active, though, talking about NPOV and AGF and other formalities
2008-01-13 22:33 < Gracenotes> (clique not meant pejoratively... there was just some segmented discussion)
2008-01-13 22:33 < Messedrocker> i don't recall discussing NPOV
2008-01-13 22:33 < Messedrocker> i remember discussing AGF though
2008-01-13 22:33 < Messedrocker> i came up with a really good soundbite there :D
2008-01-13 22:33 < Gracenotes> hm, perhaps not AGF
2008-01-13 22:34 < Gracenotes> Messedrocker: oh, what?
2008-01-13 22:34 * Gracenotes huggles Mike_H
2008-01-13 22:34 < Gracenotes> Messedrocker: what was the soundbite? anxious Wikipedians want to know
2008-01-13 22:34 < Gracenotes> :P
2008-01-13 22:35 < Messedrocker> "That's what I don't like, when people accuse others of not assuming good faith... who are YOU to tell me how I'm thinking?"
2008-01-13 22:35 < Gracenotes> ^_^ I remember that!
2008-01-13 22:36 < Ceiling_Cat> Juni is germany for June, right?
2008-01-13 22:36 < Messedrocker> Gracenotes, how close to me were you sitting?
2008-01-13 22:36 < Gracenotes> hm...
2008-01-13 22:36 < Gracenotes> 3-4 chairs, on the opposite side of the table, I think
2008-01-13 22:37 < Messedrocker> see i don't know what you look like
2008-01-13 22:37 < Gracenotes> ragesoss took pictures of me
2008-01-13 22:37 < Messedrocker> of me too
2008-01-13 22:38 * Ryanpostlethwait wonders where these pictures are
2008-01-13 22:38 < Messedrocker> not on wikipedia yet
2008-01-13 22:39 * Ryanpostlethwait decides to go to sleep in light of the new information
2008-01-13 22:42 * Gracenotes was wearing an orange shirt... in NYC, apparently, orange is not a very popular color :P
2008-01-13 22:43 < Messedrocker> seeing as i'm rather normal looking, it was interesting to see all the people who looked... different
2008-01-13 23:03 < bluefoxicy> Anyone got clips of Slash's guitar?
2008-01-13 23:04 < bluefoxicy> oh come on guys
2008-01-13 23:04 < Mike_H> no
2008-01-13 23:04 * Mike_H pets bluefoxicy
2008-01-13 23:04 * bluefoxicy purr?
2008-01-13 23:04 < bluefoxicy> damn
2008-01-13 23:04 < bluefoxicy> I got a guitar and someone said theirs sounds kind of like Slash's
2008-01-13 23:04 < bluefoxicy> I've got the same model
2008-01-13 23:05 < bluefoxicy> but I'm upgrading the tuning machines with ones that actually hold a tune, and lock; and upgrading the pick-ups
2008-01-13 23:05 < arcimboldo_> Ceiling_Cat: Yes.
2008-01-13 23:05 < bluefoxicy> Actually Guitar Hero 3 has a guitar battle vs Slash right
2008-01-13 23:06 < bluefoxicy> he composed and recorded that so that should be a clip of his guitar :s
2008-01-13 23:11 < uberpenguin> ahh... it pained me to erase this
2008-01-13 23:11 < uberpenguin> http://mattb.alwayssleeping.com/images/whiteboard.jpg
2008-01-13 23:12 < quanticle> Does anyone know if NASA has released a report on the Columbia disaster, like they did for Challenger?
2008-01-13 23:13 < quanticle> uberpenguin: What do the calculations describe?
2008-01-13 23:13 < uberpenguin> most of it is a really simple QM problem
2008-01-13 23:14 < uberpenguin> I was doing homework
2008-01-13 23:14 < uberpenguin> I liked it so I left it on the board for a few months
2008-01-13 23:14 < quanticle> Oh. I was going to say that some of it looked like electical stuff
2008-01-13 23:14 < quanticle> Voltage vs current, and the like
2008-01-13 23:14 < uberpenguin> some of it is ... the red graph and the triode equation
2008-01-13 23:16 < FastLizard4|away> uberpenguin: What is it, was it a picture on WP?
2008-01-13 23:17 < uberpenguin> huh?
2008-01-13 23:17 < uberpenguin> what does wikipedia have to do with a whiteboard?
2008-01-13 23:17 < FastLizard4|away> You said it pained you to erase it
2008-01-13 23:19 < uberpenguin> ... lord
2008-01-13 23:19 < uberpenguin> it's pretty bad when the word "erase" automatically has a computer-related connotation
2008-01-13 23:20 < uberpenguin> I erased the whiteboard with a whiteboard eraser
2008-01-13 23:23 < FastLizard4|away> oh
2008-01-13 23:31 * quanticle wishes that there was good way to indicate away status on IRC...
2008-01-13 23:31 < quanticle> Other than changing nicks
2008-01-13 23:35 < IceKarma_> if people weren't so stupid that they're unaware of /whois, /away would work just fine
2008-01-13 23:39 * quanticle uses /away
2008-01-13 23:39 < quanticle> IceKarma_: Do you know anything about irssi?
2008-01-13 23:40 < IceKarma_> quanticle, yeah
2008-01-13 23:41 < quanticle> IceKarma_: Do you know of a way to suppress the join/quit messages, or redirect them onto the status window?
2008-01-13 23:50 < amidaniel> quanticle: Any good with perl?
2008-01-13 23:52 < quanticle> amidaniel: A little, yeah
2008-01-13 23:53 < amidaniel> quanticle: Then get scripting :)
2008-01-13 23:53 < amidaniel> At least no way to do that in irssi by default that I know of.
2008-01-13 23:54 < amidaniel> Someone may have already written the script for you, though
2008-01-13 23:54 < amidaniel> Dunno
2008-01-14 00:01 < quanticle> amidaniel: Hmmm, ok, I might do that then
2008-01-14 00:01 < quanticle> amidaniel: Though that'd be lower on my priority list than a proper away script
2008-01-14 00:11 < Sargun> Is there a way to tell the IP of a user
2008-01-14 00:11 < Sargun> who made an edit
2008-01-14 00:11 < Sargun> or which user used my IP to edit>
2008-01-14 00:12 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-14 00:12 < NotACow> Sargun: yes, but only if you suck some cock first
2008-01-14 00:12 < Sargun> o.O
2008-01-14 00:14 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-14 00:15 < James_Br0wn> :)
2008-01-14 00:18 < The359> It's a two cock limit now, NotACow
2008-01-14 00:18 < The359> minimum, make that
2008-01-14 00:21 < Starnestommy> well, that was a random line to walk in on
2008-01-14 00:21 < The359> Not knowing the other half of the conversation must be killing you
2008-01-14 00:37 < Ningyou> indeed
2008-01-14 00:38 < Paine> I'm not sure what's more annoying — insomnia or the thoughts buzzing round in my head while insomnia has a nice little laugh at me.
2008-01-14 00:46 < LuciferTiger> nodiscussions?
2008-01-14 00:48 < The359> non
2008-01-14 01:14 < LuciferTiger> that sucks
2008-01-14 01:32 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-14 01:34 < JerseyDevil86> boo
2008-01-14 01:38 < The359> hmmm
2008-01-14 01:39 < The359> There wouldn't happen to be a Firefox plugin that would alert me if I have a message on my Wikipedia talk page, would there?
2008-01-14 01:39 < quanticle> Heh, join the club
2008-01-14 01:40 < quanticle> Paine:
2008-01-14 01:40 < Paine> hm?
2008-01-14 01:40 < quanticle> See above, re: insomnia
2008-01-14 01:40 < Paine> insomnia takes another victim?
2008-01-14 01:40 < quanticle> Heh, perhaps
2008-01-14 01:40 < Paine> pull up a chair, there's a bottle of vodka here.
2008-01-14 01:41 < Paine> yaeh, 7am and on the vodka already, sue me :p
2008-01-14 01:41 < The359> Alcoholic
2008-01-14 01:41 < quanticle> Heh. Its 5 pm somewhere
2008-01-14 01:41 < Paine> I'm really not though, The359
2008-01-14 01:41 * quanticle has 00:41 for the time
2008-01-14 01:41 < Paine> in fact I haven't drunk since new year's.. actually that's a lie, I got drunk last saturday... and this saturday.
2008-01-14 01:41 < The359> Uh huh
2008-01-14 01:50 < FastLizard4> Good night people, going to bed
2008-01-14 01:52 * quanticle is heading to bed too
2008-01-14 01:52 < quanticle> Apparently I've beaten insomnia for now
2008-01-14 01:53 < The359> You'll be back...
2008-01-14 01:56 < Muppets101> Any admins here?
2008-01-14 01:57 < The359> Type without the space - ! admin (your problem)
2008-01-14 01:57 < Muppets101> !admin
2008-01-14 01:57 < The359> close enough
2008-01-14 01:57 < Muppets101> :)
2008-01-14 02:02 < Schroeder2> I think I'm going to spend tomorrow pretending to be the return of John Titor
2008-01-14 02:02 < The359> You've got nothing better to do with no Colts playoff
2008-01-14 02:04 < Schroeder2> fuck you
2008-01-14 02:04 * The359 is a Colts fan
2008-01-14 02:28 < Evil_Monkey> things are going over the top in New Zealand here at the moment
2008-01-14 02:28 < Evil_Monkey> calls to rename Mount Cook to Mount Hillary
2008-01-14 02:28 < Evil_Monkey> or have a new public holiday on his birthday
2008-01-14 02:30 < Evil_Monkey> Edmund Hillary is like Neil Armstrong -- it was really more chance that they became go to down in the history books as they did
2008-01-14 02:36 < The359> and yet we can't even mention it on our home page ;)
2008-01-14 02:36 < Evil_Monkey> I can't get over how many times people tried to change his death date from the 11th to the 10th
2008-01-14 02:36 < arcimboldo_> Most people became famous by some kind of chance.
2008-01-14 02:37 < Evil_Monkey> we could very easily be talking about [[Tom Bourdillon]] or [[Charles Evans]] as the first person to climb Everest
2008-01-14 02:38 < arcimboldo_> That's the thing - he seized an opportunity that almost didn't exist ...
2008-01-14 02:41 < Evil_Monkey> Of course he did other things beside climb a mountain. Crossed Antarctica, set up schools, hospitals in Nepal
2008-01-14 02:41 < The359> Conquered the Martians
2008-01-14 02:42 < Evil_Monkey> [[Santa Claus Conquers the Martians]]
2008-01-14 02:43 < The359> They were showing that on DirecTV a lot this year
2008-01-14 02:47 < Evil_Monkey> /me wonders if he could get away with having [[Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead]] at his funeral
2008-01-14 02:47 < Evil_Monkey> along with [[Love Hurts]] if I get marrie
2008-01-14 02:48 < Evil_Monkey> d
2008-01-14 02:50 < Werdna> is doc glasglow around?
2008-01-14 03:41 < denelson83> Okay, who toppled over the image server?
2008-01-14 03:42 * denelson83 eyes the flying spaghetti monster
2008-01-14 03:42 < bjweeks> RAmen
2008-01-14 03:57 < denelson83> So when is the image server coming back?
2008-01-14 03:57 < bjweeks> commons?
2008-01-14 03:58 < denelson83> "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at upload.wikimedia.org."
2008-01-14 03:58 < bjweeks> This is the upload server for the Wikimedia Foundation. There is no public index.
2008-01-14 03:58 < denelson83> And that's where my browser gets all its Wikimedia images from
2008-01-14 03:59 < bjweeks> working fine for me
2008-01-14 03:59 < denelson83> Well... Seems someone did fix it
2008-01-14 04:15 < piphog> i love how you delete GNAA, as if you can "wish away" the facts that you dont like
2008-01-14 04:16 < Rinn> But we can!
2008-01-14 04:16 * Rinn deletes [[Scientology]]
2008-01-14 04:19 < bjweeks> piphog: the problem is nobody writes news articles on the GNAA but feeding the trolls is bad
2008-01-14 04:19 * brown_cat wanders what % americans tip O_O
2008-01-14 04:20 < arcimboldo_> [[Tipping by region]]
2008-01-14 04:21 * brown_cat gives arcimboldo_ a cookie
2008-01-14 04:21 * arcimboldo_ gives brown_cat 15% of the cookie back.
2008-01-14 04:22 < brown_cat> xD
2008-01-14 04:22 * brown_cat hates tipping -_-
2008-01-14 04:23 < brown_cat> DEATH TO TIPPING
2008-01-14 04:23 * arcimboldo_ seconds
2008-01-14 04:24 < arcimboldo_> That's one reason I like Japan.
2008-01-14 04:24 < brown_cat> I never need to tip here (and no one hates me!)
2008-01-14 04:24 < arcimboldo_> Rather than a bakshish-based economy like the US.
2008-01-14 04:24 < brown_cat> RACIST!!!
2008-01-14 04:24 * AdamBishop had a little baby boy
2008-01-14 04:24 < AdamBishop> well, not me specifically. But it's a boy anyway.
2008-01-14 04:25 * brown_cat throws condoms at AdamBishop
2008-01-14 04:25 < arcimboldo_> "It may also be customary to tip higher with your first drink in order to signal the bartender to take special care of you. Typical amount for this action is $5." ... $5 tip for a drink?
2008-01-14 04:26 < brown_cat> pffft
2008-01-14 04:27 < AdamBishop> now he has jaundice though so he has to stay in the hospital again. Hospitals fucking suck.
2008-01-14 04:27 < AdamBishop> just thought I'd share; back to your regular nonsense
2008-01-14 04:27 < arcimboldo_> Congratulations!
2008-01-14 04:27 * arcimboldo_ was confuesd about the "not me specifically"
2008-01-14 04:28 < bjweeks> AdamBishop: I have to disagree, I had a stay at the Mayo Clinic hospital and it wasn't bad
2008-01-14 04:28 < AdamBishop> I didn't push it out of me, I was just watching :)
2008-01-14 04:30 < bjweeks> AdamBishop: well, delivering babies does suck, no matter where you are
2008-01-14 04:33 < FormentarHome> bjweeks: I think the point of being in a hospital is that they have people who will do it for you. :-)
2008-01-14 04:34 < bjweeks> FormentarHome: I mean for the mother, but an epidural helps
2008-01-14 04:37 < FormentarHome> bjweeks: So I've heard. :-) My wife had a spinal instead, but then again they cut a big hole in her.
2008-01-14 04:40 < AdamBishop> she had an epidural but it wore after after a couple of hours
2008-01-14 04:40 < AdamBishop> so the actual birth was enormously painful
2008-01-14 04:41 < FormentarHome> AdamBishop: Ouch.
2008-01-14 04:41 < AdamBishop> and you know what? There was no machine that goes "ping". I was so disappointed.
2008-01-14 04:42 < Rinn> Pong!
2008-01-14 04:42 < The359> man, it's odd, I haven't written an article in weeks now...
2008-01-14 04:42 < The359> I'm completely blank on what to write
2008-01-14 04:42 < AdamBishop> she was only in labour for 9 hours though...apparently that is really short for a first baby
2008-01-14 04:43 < FormentarHome> AdamBishop: Timing seems to be tricky. I know someone who got an epidural but then gave birth before it kicked in. :-P
2008-01-14 04:43 < AdamBishop> and the whole pushing and birth part was only 50 minutes
2008-01-14 04:43 < FormentarHome> AdamBishop: Did you compensate by saying "ping" once in a while?
2008-01-14 04:45 < AdamBishop> no but when she felt like she couldn't push anymore, I said we needed the machine that goes ping, just to make her mad so she could push again
2008-01-14 04:45 < AdamBishop> I am such a jerk! But at least I didn't say "it's a baby" when she asked what it was
2008-01-14 04:49 < AdamBishop> I felt so helpless the whole time...there was a machine that measured contractions, and she could feel them coming, so all I could do was confirm that yes, she was going to have excruciating pain in a second.
2008-01-14 04:49 < zocky> AdamBishop, ah, a you have a new Bishopling?
2008-01-14 04:49 < zocky> congrats
2008-01-14 04:50 < AdamBishop> thanks!
2008-01-14 04:56 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: Now when are you going to make an honest woman of that...
2008-01-14 04:56 < Mike_H> Christ, what's her name
2008-01-14 04:57 < Mike_H> Bonnie?
2008-01-14 04:57 < Mike_H> Mary?
2008-01-14 04:57 < Mike_H> Melanie?
2008-01-14 04:57 < Mike_H> Carolyn!
2008-01-14 04:57 * Mike_H hugs facebook
2008-01-14 04:57 < brown_cat> O_O
2008-01-14 04:58 < Mike_H> I was close
2008-01-14 04:59 < Mike_H> oh and please don't tell me that baby has your eyebrows
2008-01-14 04:59 < brown_cat> xD
2008-01-14 05:00 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: Who is that big man with the glasses in the windbreaker?
2008-01-14 05:02 < Mike_H> Am I talking to myself here?
2008-01-14 05:03 < AdamBishop> that's her father
2008-01-14 05:04 < Mike_H> Which one is your mother?
2008-01-14 05:04 < Mike_H> PLEASE TELL ME it's the one with the black hair
2008-01-14 05:04 < Mike_H> she's fierce
2008-01-14 05:04 < AdamBishop> I hope the baby has somewhere in between our eyebrows, since she only has half-eyebrows and I have twice as much as I need
2008-01-14 05:04 < AdamBishop> no, my mother is the other one
2008-01-14 05:04 < Mike_H> Your mom's kind of old.
2008-01-14 05:04 < Mike_H> I mean
2008-01-14 05:04 < Mike_H> I didn't mean for that to sound bad
2008-01-14 05:04 < Mike_H> but the other lady looks young
2008-01-14 05:05 < AdamBishop> well, they are 55 and 50
2008-01-14 05:05 < Mike_H> Your mom's only 55?
2008-01-14 05:06 < Mike_H> Okay, that one totally did sound bad
2008-01-14 05:06 < Mike_H> http://photos-319.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v111/18/98/5000319/n5000319_34203420_4518.jpg
2008-01-14 05:06 < Mike_H> I don't think my mom looks 57
2008-01-14 05:07 < AdamBishop> my mom has been aged by life experience, I guess
2008-01-14 05:07 < Mike_H> My mom had five kids.
2008-01-14 05:07 < Mike_H> How many did your mom have?
2008-01-14 05:07 < Lubaf> Full stop prediction: No Country For Old Men owns at least one Oscar already.
2008-01-14 05:07 < Lubaf> Best Supporting Actor.
2008-01-14 05:08 < AdamBishop> the most stressful thing Carolyn's mom does is get a manicure
2008-01-14 05:08 < Mike_H> Well, that's why she looks 33.
2008-01-14 05:08 < Lubaf> I don't know if it'll win anything else, but they might as well send the Oscar to Javier whatshisface right now.
2008-01-14 05:08 < AdamBishop> my mom had 2 kids
2008-01-14 05:10 < AdamBishop> and so did hers. Well, her brother weighed 12 pounds when he was born, so I guess that is an accomplishment. But she hasn't done anything since then
2008-01-14 05:11 < Mike_H> :o
2008-01-14 05:11 < Mike_H> 12 pounds, damn
2008-01-14 05:12 < NilsE> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_box <-- Can somebody put a better picture here?
2008-01-14 05:13 < NilsE> I never knew there was anything before refridgerators...
2008-01-14 05:18 < AdamBishop> hmm, there are no pictures of my father, that's odd
2008-01-14 05:19 < AdamBishop> my sister's Facebook page has a few with her holding the baby
2008-01-14 05:36 < Lubaf> [[WP:PENISPENISPENIS]]: I see a great need.
2008-01-14 05:36 < Lubaf> [[WP:NEEDS_MOAR_DRAMA]] needs, well, more drama.
2008-01-14 05:47 < Mike_H> Planet Ricki
2008-01-14 05:47 < Mike_H> Fan site dedicated to actress and former talk show host Ricki Lake, with news, photos, media, and more.
2008-01-14 05:47 < Mike_H> www.planetricki.com
2008-01-14 05:48 < Mike_H> If anyone says I watch too much Top Model and am overinvested
2008-01-14 05:48 < Mike_H> I will direct them to whatever sick bastard created this Ricki Lake shrine
2008-01-14 06:37 < Lubaf> Mike_H: Not good enough.
2008-01-14 06:38 < Lubaf> Needs more pornbell.
2008-01-14 06:38 < arcimboldo_> Is that you behind your mum?
2008-01-14 06:38 < Lubaf> arcimboldo_: No, it's me behind your mum.
2008-01-14 06:39 < arcimboldo_> Well, enjoy ...
2008-01-14 06:39 < arcimboldo_> I didn't mean you btw.
2008-01-14 06:48 < Mike_H> arcimboldo_: Yes
2008-01-14 06:48 < Mike_H> that's me
2008-01-14 06:49 < arcimboldo_> It's interesting how different people tend to be from the image that one has built up ...
2008-01-14 06:50 < Mike_H> arcimboldo_: My hair is a little shorter than this now
2008-01-14 06:50 < Mike_H> http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v67/18/98/5000319/n5000319_33259170_3396.jpg
2008-01-14 06:51 < arcimboldo_> nice ...
2008-01-14 06:51 < Mike_H> I'm posing in front of my favorite store :)
2008-01-14 06:52 < arcimboldo_> Be careful when you tell people that you are going to the Saks store.
2008-01-14 06:52 < Mike_H> arcimboldo_: Oh, only rarely can I afford anything good in there anyway :D
2008-01-14 06:53 < arcimboldo_> it was more about the sound of the name ...
2008-01-14 06:53 < Mike_H> What about it?
2008-01-14 06:54 * arcimboldo_ won't be more explicit.
2008-01-14 06:54 < Mike_H> Saks does not sound like Sex.
2008-01-14 06:54 < arcimboldo_> hm okay
2008-01-14 06:56 < Mike_H> There are 11 Saks stores in Florida
2008-01-14 06:56 < Mike_H> which is funny, since I don't think they started expanding here until 30 years ago
2008-01-14 06:56 < arcimboldo_> MacDonald's didn't exist in many parts of the world 30 years ago.
2008-01-14 06:57 < Mike_H> Macy's is much more popular in Florida
2008-01-14 06:57 < Mike_H> but Macy's is also a lower price brand
2008-01-14 06:57 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkZiVKiQs80
2008-01-14 06:59 < Mike_H> arcimboldo_: I like this ad for Target, though
2008-01-14 06:59 < Mike_H> it makes Target look fancier than it really is
2008-01-14 06:59 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_mWHJ5SnwI
2008-01-14 07:00 < Mike_H> I had to actually download the song they play, which is called "A Little Bit More" by [[Jamie Lidell]]
2008-01-14 07:00 < Mike_H> they hired real famous models to do the commercials
2008-01-14 07:00 < Mike_H> at 0:16, the black model is [[Alek Wek]]
2008-01-14 07:02 < arcimboldo_> To be honest, I know very little about the US megastore chains.
2008-01-14 07:02 < Mike_H> arcimboldo_: The important thing to know is that they're not as fancy as that ad makes it sound
2008-01-14 07:04 < Mike_H> this is the one with the supermodels
2008-01-14 07:04 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPvVN1nwL2g
2008-01-14 07:04 < Mike_H> well, wannabe supermodels some of them
2008-01-14 07:04 < Mike_H> I recognize at least one girl from America's Next Top Model
2008-01-14 07:05 < Mike_H> but Alek Wek is in these advertisements, and she is a very big name
2008-01-14 07:06 < Mike_H> the other big models are doing Victoria's Secret ads
2008-01-14 07:06 < Mike_H> like Heidi
2008-01-14 07:06 < Mike_H> Heidi's the "new" face of Victoria's Secret for 2008, despite the fact that she's like 35 now, which is dead in modeling.
2008-01-14 07:29 < Viele-baeren> hi
2008-01-14 07:31 < Paine> wtf is avantegard?
2008-01-14 07:31 < Paine> avantgarde*
2008-01-14 07:35 < jhattara> i think the en-wiki pretty much describes it in just a few sentences: experimental and innovative art/culture/politics
2008-01-14 07:43 < Viele-baeren> en sysop here?
2008-01-14 07:44 * amidaniel hides
2008-01-14 07:45 < Viele-baeren> amidaniel: are you en sysop?
2008-01-14 07:45 < Viele-baeren> i need some help before i am deleting a commons image
2008-01-14 07:46 < amidaniel> Yeah, whaddya need?
2008-01-14 07:46 < Viele-baeren> i have to know if there is any author given in the restoration view of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image%3ABNatural.jpg otherwise i will have to delete it
2008-01-14 07:47 < amidaniel> Viele-baeren: Yeah, licensed gfdl-self by a User:Tgvtgv
2008-01-14 07:48 < amidaniel> Not sure I believe it, but that's what the original revision stated
2008-01-14 07:48 < Viele-baeren> self? and expecially that he is the author?
2008-01-14 07:48 < amidaniel> 10:34, 22 February 2007 . . Tgvtgv (Talk | contribs | block) (←Created page with '== Licensing == {{GFDL-self-no-disclaimers}} ')
2008-01-14 07:48 < amidaniel> That was the initial revision
2008-01-14 07:49 < Viele-baeren> hmm... thats not enough for commons
2008-01-14 07:49 < Suva> Neat
2008-01-14 07:49 < Viele-baeren> amidaniel: but thank you verry much
2008-01-14 07:49 < amidaniel> Viele-baeren: Alright, then nuke away :)
2008-01-14 07:49 < amidaniel> Viele-baeren: Sure thing
2008-01-14 07:49 < Suva> In Russia, criticising the government is a crime
2008-01-14 07:49 < Suva> With possible 3 years of enprisonment
2008-01-14 07:50 < amidaniel> Well, depending upon how broad you want to stretch your definition of "criticising", it's punishable by death in the US :)
2008-01-14 07:50 < Viele-baeren> amidaniel: im testing a new speedy-nuking script today, im just revieving all the images before not for deleting something whats allright
2008-01-14 07:51 < amidaniel> Viele-baeren: Hehe .. good idea :)
2008-01-14 07:51 < Suva> http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2240307,00.html
2008-01-14 07:53 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-14 08:00 < brown_cat> O_O
2008-01-14 08:01 * amidaniel pokes out brown_cat's eyes and feeds them to NotACow
2008-01-14 08:01 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-01-14 08:01 * brown_cat sedates amidaniel
2008-01-14 08:01 * brown_cat takes amidaniel to Ms Porkers Sex Dungeon Under The Aquinas Library (MPSDUTAL)
2008-01-14 08:01 < amidaniel> mmmmmm
2008-01-14 08:01 * amidaniel could use a sedative
2008-01-14 08:02 * amidaniel eyes whopper@about/cooking/sandwich/whopper curiously
2008-01-14 08:03 * brown_cat mentally undresses amidaniel
2008-01-14 08:03 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-01-14 08:03 * brown_cat races to put the clothes back on before being further unimpressed
2008-01-14 08:03 < amidaniel> Wheee
2008-01-14 08:03 * amidaniel likes being mentally nakes
2008-01-14 08:03 < amidaniel> naked*
2008-01-14 08:04 < brown_cat> GET OUT OF MY HEAD, BITCH!!
2008-01-14 08:04 * amidaniel does a lil dance in brown_cat's head
2008-01-14 08:05 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-01-14 08:05 < brown_cat> MY CALCULUS!!!!
2008-01-14 08:06 * NotACow steals brown_cat's stones
2008-01-14 08:06 < Hildanknight> Is it acceptable to start a sentence with "Whether or not"?
2008-01-14 08:06 * brown_cat cries
2008-01-14 08:07 * brown_cat asks NotACow for the stones back
2008-01-14 08:47 * Dtobias is without sin, so casts the first stone
2008-01-14 09:04 < Davo_Dinkum> Has anyone watched "Steal This Film" part 1? What does the guy say at 06:05? Just before he says "So I was like OK"
2008-01-14 09:04 < Davo_Dinkum> I looked for a transcript or subtitles but I didn't find any.
2008-01-14 09:05 < Drunken_Idiot> Hi
2008-01-14 09:05 < Davo_Dinkum> Please note that I take IRC nicks literally.
2008-01-14 09:06 < Drunken_Idiot> Davo_Dinkum: Well I am not a drunken idiot in reality :)
2008-01-14 09:10 < Dtobias> And, I suppose, NotACow is not a cow in reality.
2008-01-14 09:11 < Aqwis> well duh, it's notacow, not acow
2008-01-14 09:11 < Aqwis> nota cow?
2008-01-14 09:11 < Aqwis> not a cow
2008-01-14 09:30 < Drunken_Idiot> Hi
2008-01-14 09:32 < bocamaiden> hi
2008-01-14 09:33 < bocamaiden> :'(
2008-01-14 09:33 < Drunken_Idiot> bocamaiden: How are you young lady ?
2008-01-14 09:33 < bocamaiden> why?
2008-01-14 09:33 < bocamaiden> young lady ?
2008-01-14 09:33 < Drunken_Idiot> Excuse me ?
2008-01-14 09:33 < bocamaiden> you,re wrong man
2008-01-14 09:34 < bocamaiden> Iron Maiden it sounds?
2008-01-14 09:34 < Drunken_Idiot> maiden is a pure female id :)
2008-01-14 09:34 < bocamaiden> not my case
2008-01-14 09:34 < Drunken_Idiot> Okay then I owe you an appology.
2008-01-14 09:34 < Dtobias> Are you in Boca Raton at least?
2008-01-14 09:35 < bocamaiden> no, I'm fan of Boca Juniors (soccer team of Argentina)
2008-01-14 09:36 * Drunken_Idiot cyberly pays Dtobias to get drunk
2008-01-14 09:39 < Drunken_Idiot> Fabexplosive: hi
2008-01-14 09:40 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-01-14 09:49 < ironmaiden> '<
2008-01-14 09:52 < ironmaiden> alco LOL hahaha! very good!
2008-01-14 10:17 < gwern> wow. gold just passed 900USD
2008-01-14 10:18 < Mark_Away> gold *and* oil up high.
2008-01-14 10:18 < Mark_Away> what is the world coming to?
2008-01-14 10:18 < Mark_Away> the end. that is what the world is coming to.
2008-01-14 10:22 < Viele-baeren> hi
2008-01-14 10:31 < Tony_Sidaway> People who can't afford oil are stockpiling gold in the hope that the banking crisis will get much worse and they will be able to afford oil again.
2008-01-14 10:42 * gwern watches the latest soul calibur trailer. is... is this a joke? Darth Vader and Yoda? wtf
2008-01-14 10:46 < Dtobias> Can they make a car that will run on gold?
2008-01-14 11:20 < Shiroi_Neko> time to die
2008-01-14 11:20 * Shiroi_Neko kills The359
2008-01-14 11:20 < Shiroi_Neko> Another soul saved!
2008-01-14 11:27 < Drunken_Idiot> yet another Bomb blew up !
2008-01-14 11:28 < Drunken_Idiot> Qst : Hugs
2008-01-14 11:28 < Qst> Hi Drunken_Idiot
2008-01-14 11:32 < Drunken_Idiot> Pilotguy: The relationships is still screwd
2008-01-14 11:34 < Pilotguy> :(
2008-01-14 11:34 * Pilotguy is slammed right now however and can't assist
2008-01-14 11:35 < LawrenceWCohen> happy monday.
2008-01-14 11:45 * Shiroi_Neko wonders when someone will block him
2008-01-14 12:04 < Shiroi_Neko> tawker yo
2008-01-14 12:19 < Fabexplosive> hey Shiroi_Neko
2008-01-14 12:21 < yao_ziyuan> i want to lobby Jimmy Wales to implement SideWiki - a wiki page as a "sideline" for virtually every online web page.
2008-01-14 12:21 < NotACow> yao_ziyuan: have fun
2008-01-14 12:21 < yao_ziyuan> The sideline has several sections: (1) What Further Are You Looking For? (2) What Do People Say about This Page?
2008-01-14 12:21 < yao_ziyuan> because he is already a leader now...
2008-01-14 12:22 < yao_ziyuan> his words must have more weight than mine...
2008-01-14 12:23 < yao_ziyuan> it seems in his most recent blog entry he is showing some interest in firefox extensions... http://blog.jimmywales.com/index.php/archives/2008/01/07/wikia-search-plugin-for-firefox/
2008-01-14 12:24 < NotACow> yao_ziyuan: only f they further his own projects.
2008-01-14 12:24 < NotACow> yao_ziyuan: he'll only be interested in this project if it will make money for him.
2008-01-14 12:24 < yao_ziyuan> .......
2008-01-14 12:26 < yao_ziyuan> too much things can't be added to a wikipedia page. so maybe sidewiki is a solution
2008-01-14 12:27 < yao_ziyuan> wait, won't sidewiki also become restrictive...
2008-01-14 12:28 < NotACow> yao_ziyuan: again, how will this make money for JW? that's the question you need to answer.
2008-01-14 12:29 < yao_ziyuan> i'm not going to bother him now
2008-01-14 12:30 < yao_ziyuan> not because i can't solve the money problem
2008-01-14 12:31 < yao_ziyuan> the problem is wikipedia and its derivatives want too much control on contents
2008-01-14 12:31 < NotACow> they do?
2008-01-14 12:31 < yao_ziyuan> but wikipedia so far is still reasonable, i think
2008-01-14 12:32 < yao_ziyuan> important artifacts are able to go on it
2008-01-14 12:32 < NotACow> what control on contents does wikipedia impose?
2008-01-14 12:32 < yao_ziyuan> non-trivality
2008-01-14 12:32 < NotACow> you mean wikipedia doesn't let peope just babble anything they want?
2008-01-14 12:32 < NotACow> gee, go figure
2008-01-14 12:32 < yao_ziyuan> on wikipedia you can't write too deep in a field
2008-01-14 12:32 < NotACow> it's wikipedia, not geocities or myspace.
2008-01-14 12:33 * Shiroi_Neko takes a nose dive into SQLDb
2008-01-14 12:33 < Shiroi_Neko> SQLDb talk to me
2008-01-14 12:33 < Shiroi_Neko> :(
2008-01-14 12:33 * Shiroi_Neko is excited
2008-01-14 12:33 < Shiroi_Neko> meeting the god king
2008-01-14 12:33 < yao_ziyuan> nose dive... japanese suicide warplanes in WWII?
2008-01-14 12:33 < Shiroi_Neko> no
2008-01-14 12:33 < Shiroi_Neko> worms armagedon suicide method
2008-01-14 12:34 < Shiroi_Neko> yao_ziyuan those were called zeros
2008-01-14 12:34 < yao_ziyuan> i know
2008-01-14 12:34 < Shiroi_Neko> in spanish it is cero
2008-01-14 12:38 < NotACow> DEATH TO ZERO
2008-01-14 12:40 < Shiroi_Neko> ctualy
2008-01-14 12:40 < Shiroi_Neko> cero is an attack that can cause death
2008-01-14 12:43 < LawrenceWCohen> I really wish this were notable enough to include on Wikipedia. the article would be an absurd joy to write: http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Genesis_1
2008-01-14 12:57 < Dtobias> If Search Wikia ever stops sucking really bad, then there are likely to be plenty of plugins, addons, and the like emerging for it without Jimbo having to push for them.
2008-01-14 12:58 < yao_ziyuan> why must wp block tor?
2008-01-14 12:59 < doughnutman> crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood cr
2008-01-14 12:59 < doughnutman> crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood cr
2008-01-14 12:59 < doughnutman> crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood cr
2008-01-14 12:59 < doughnutman> crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood crapflood cr
2008-01-14 12:59 < The359> that was pretty crappy
2008-01-14 12:59 < The359> I agree
2008-01-14 12:59 < Ningyou> indeed
2008-01-14 12:59 < Dtobias> crap, shit, feces, excrement, stools, doody
2008-01-14 13:00 < hobophobe> For linking a sound file to an article's title for purpose of pronunciation, is it preferable to use the file (if available) from wiktionary to an encyclopedia britannica version?
2008-01-14 13:00 < Shiroi_Neko> encyclopedia britanica version is copyrighted
2008-01-14 13:00 < Dtobias> The Wiktionary one would be freely licenced, right?
2008-01-14 13:00 < Shiroi_Neko> it supposed to be
2008-01-14 13:00 < Shiroi_Neko> or else people will get hanged
2008-01-14 13:01 * Shiroi_Neko hangs Suva to demonstrate
2008-01-14 13:01 < Aqwis2> blocking, banning, hanging
2008-01-14 13:01 < Aqwis2> WP:HANG
2008-01-14 13:01 < hobophobe> the wiktionary is GFDL 1.2
2008-01-14 13:01 < Dtobias> Linking to copyrighted stuff on the producer's own site wouldn't be a copyvio, but free content is still preferred.
2008-01-14 13:01 < hobophobe> okay
2008-01-14 13:01 < Aqwis2> users are hanged if there is 101% community consensus for it
2008-01-14 13:01 < The359> Live Free or Die
2008-01-14 13:02 < Dtobias> We must all hang together, or we'll surely hang separately.
2008-01-14 13:05 < Dtobias> [[Live and Let Die]]
2008-01-14 13:08 < Suva> Shiroi_Neko: Wha?
2008-01-14 13:08 < NotACow> just hang everyone
2008-01-14 13:09 * Suva counterhangs Shiroi_Neko
2008-01-14 13:09 < Viele-baeren> hi
2008-01-14 13:09 < EmuAGR> Hola a tod@s
2008-01-14 13:44 < levander> I've seen mention that US tax rates are 2nd in the world behind Japan. Has anyone seen an article, wikipedia or elsewhere, talking about how they arrived at this math?
2008-01-14 13:45 < Lycurgus> [[Taxation#By_country_or_region]]
2008-01-14 13:46 < levander> How do I use that to find a page on Wikipedia?
2008-01-14 13:47 < Aqwis2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation#By_country_or_region
2008-01-14 13:47 < levander> cool, tx
2008-01-14 13:49 < levander> Thos articles in that section don't really try to compare taxes amongst countries. They just go into detail about how taxes are paid in each individual country.
2008-01-14 13:50 < shimgray> levander: I'd be very surprised if it was actually true in any real sense, tbh
2008-01-14 13:50 < shimgray> US total taxation proportionally greater than, say, Sweden? seems unlikely
2008-01-14 13:51 < shimgray> but, hmm, the most obvious metric would be something like [total taxation income] / [GDP]
2008-01-14 13:51 < levander> I wonder if they are talking just about the corporate tax rate when they say that.
2008-01-14 13:51 < levander> shimgray: Yeah, that's the stat I'm looking for.
2008-01-14 13:52 < levander> shimgray: A current US candidate for 2008 presidency, Guiliani, is campaigning saying how high the corporate tax rate is when compared internationally. He wants to cut it.
2008-01-14 13:52 < levander> Tax rates in the USA are definitely not low.
2008-01-14 13:52 < levander> And, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were comparable to Sweden.
2008-01-14 13:52 < Lycurgus> http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2006/04/rising-inequality-in-japan.html
2008-01-14 13:53 < levander> shimgray: Not the income tax, but all taxes combined.
2008-01-14 13:55 < Aqwis2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world or something?
2008-01-14 13:55 < Aqwis2> not "all taxes combined" though
2008-01-14 13:55 < shimgray> bloody hard to work that out for the us!
2008-01-14 13:55 < shimgray> what with state-level taxation... you'd need some kind of complex weighted average
2008-01-14 13:56 < Aqwis2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP
2008-01-14 13:56 < shimgray> 1% sales tax in California is obviously more significant than 1% in Georgia, say
2008-01-14 13:57 < shimgray> Aqwis2: hmm. so for the US to be at the top there, it'd need to (roughly) have a state/territory/etc tax income equal to the federal tax income
2008-01-14 13:57 < Aqwis2> *shrug*
2008-01-14 13:58 < Aqwis2> i didn't know France had that heavy taxation.
2008-01-14 13:58 < Lycurgus> should be list of western countries
2008-01-14 13:58 < shimgray> those figures should be reasonably findable - gross state-level tax income?
2008-01-14 13:59 < levander> For the USA, just a list of the taxation rates by states would be interesting.
2008-01-14 14:00 < Aqwis2> hm
2008-01-14 14:00 < Aqwis2> do we have a list of average income after tax?
2008-01-14 14:00 < levander> Do locales in other countries tax as much as American states do?
2008-01-14 14:00 < Aqwis2> per country
2008-01-14 14:01 < shimgray> levander: not usually. The US is a very strongly regionalised country compared to most of the West
2008-01-14 14:01 < Lycurgus> gross tax reciepts somewhat miss the point which is the redistribution of income/paying societal costs. It's unlikely anything other than original research is likely to present anything really satisfying the naive ...
2008-01-14 14:01 < Lycurgus> desire to know "who is taxed more".
2008-01-14 14:01 < Aqwis2> mm
2008-01-14 14:02 < levander> shimgray: Strongly regionalized probably because it has so much more land. Any idea how "regionalization" of USA compares to Russia?
2008-01-14 14:02 < AzaTht> FYI, I wrote an simple essay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Silence_as_consensus
2008-01-14 14:02 < Lycurgus> Japan has very low levels of inequality, even today as measured by the Jini stastic, something like half that of the US so gross tax data may be misleading.
2008-01-14 14:02 < shimgray> levander: not really a size thing; it's a historic one. the states have fiercely guarded their territory and the federal government hasn't tried *that* hard to take it back :-)
2008-01-14 14:02 < Lycurgus> *statistic
2008-01-14 14:03 < shimgray> (compared to, say, the effects of a powerful central monarchy)
2008-01-14 14:03 < kenlyric> levander: the role of the Interstate system in the US should not be underestimated.
2008-01-14 14:03 < shimgray> aha, got it!
2008-01-14 14:03 < shimgray> total state-level tax revenue, circa one trillion dollars (FY 2005)
2008-01-14 14:03 < shimgray> http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?DocID=507&Topic2id=90&Topic3id=92
2008-01-14 14:04 < levander> Are you guys just saying that locales in the US have more government power, or that the actual cultures of the locales vary more greatly than in other large countries, like Russia?
2008-01-14 14:04 < kenlyric> both.
2008-01-14 14:04 < levander> Wow, now I want to travel more.
2008-01-14 14:04 < shimgray> at the federal level, $2.4 trillion "tax-like income"
2008-01-14 14:05 < shimgray> levander: culturally, the US is relatively homogenous
2008-01-14 14:05 < shimgray> mind you, so are most places now
2008-01-14 14:05 < levander> shimgray: Yeah, that's kind of my impression from living here.
2008-01-14 14:05 < AzaTht> and as no one objects, I think it's consensus about that essay :)
2008-01-14 14:05 < levander> AzaTht: lol
2008-01-14 14:06 < shimgray> anyhow, state-level tax income is somewhere from 40% to 60% of the federal tax income
2008-01-14 14:06 < Lycurgus> *Gini
2008-01-14 14:06 < shimgray> depending how you deal with social security, etc
2008-01-14 14:06 < AzaTht> levander: anywhere essays should be notified?
2008-01-14 14:07 < AzaTht> new essays*
2008-01-14 14:07 < levander> AzaTht: No idea. I just thought it was funny how you applied the thesis of that paper to the channel.
2008-01-14 14:07 < gwern> hm. when did jimbo wales become an admin?
2008-01-14 14:07 < AzaTht> levander: hehe :)
2008-01-14 14:07 < shimgray> which would mean that the US total tax burden, once we do the sums with our list above, is something like 43%
2008-01-14 14:07 < gwern> (see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales <-- he protected something)
2008-01-14 14:07 < AzaTht> levander: the IRC channels are sadly not "all relevant instances"
2008-01-14 14:08 < shimgray> and thus still sizably below, say, Scandinavia
2008-01-14 14:08 < AzaTht> gwern: he is in the founder group
2008-01-14 14:09 < Sonjaaa> is an admin present? i have a problem with a page that was censored and speedy deleted!
2008-01-14 14:09 < Sonjaaa> i would like to have it restored and evaluated by somebody
2008-01-14 14:09 < Sonjaaa> [[baby tossing]]
2008-01-14 14:11 < Shiroi_Neko> baby jucing
2008-01-14 14:12 < Shiroi_Neko> 14:08, 14 January 2008 Premeditated Chaos (Talk | contribs) deleted "Baby tossing" ‎ (CSD G1: Patent Nonsense.)
2008-01-14 14:12 < shimgray> '''Baby tossing''' was a sport practised by the European gentry to amuse itself in the Middle Ages. The infant was thrown from one player to another.
2008-01-14 14:12 < shimgray> One notable incident was the death of [[King Henry IV]]'s infant brother. The baby was accidentally killed while he was being tossed from window to window and fell to his death.
2008-01-14 14:12 < Sonjaaa> it was not patent nonsense. the article was coherent, sourced, and entirely factual information about a sport.
2008-01-14 14:12 < shimgray> Uh-huh.
2008-01-14 14:12 < Sonjaaa> patent nonsense means word salad, random words in random order
2008-01-14 14:12 < Lycurgus> http://www.freetrade.org/node/555 indicates Japan was roughly 40% less
2008-01-14 14:13 < Sonjaaa> can we restore the article and have a proper AfD ?