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2008-01-13 13:17 < LOUD_CAT> Sfan00 - actually, it does
2008-01-13 13:18 < LOUD_CAT> the US imports something like 30-40% of its oil from canada
2008-01-13 13:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Canada � Oil - Production: 3.135 Million bbl/day (2004)
2008-01-13 13:18 < LOUD_CAT> United States � Oil - Consumption: 20.73 million bbl/day (2004 est.)
2008-01-13 13:18 < Sfan00> So if Canada cut the oil the US would freeze?
2008-01-13 13:19 < Messedrocker> I think we should stop using oil
2008-01-13 13:19 < Sfan00> ROFL
2008-01-13 13:19 < LOUD_CAT> canada sends the US 1.889 million barrels per day
2008-01-13 13:19 < LOUD_CAT> (ok, so closer to 4%)
2008-01-13 13:19 < LOUD_CAT> erm, 10%
2008-01-13 13:19 < Sfan00> Messedrocker: So what do you propose to replace it?
2008-01-13 13:19 < LOUD_CAT> (damn, today isn't my day)
2008-01-13 13:19 < Messedrocker> Everything not oil!
2008-01-13 13:19 < LOUD_CAT> Sfan00 - burning books, of course
2008-01-13 13:20 < Messedrocker> If you use alternatives to oil you get a tax break, and if you use oil you have to pay a tax!
2008-01-13 13:20 < Sfan00> You opay gas tax already
2008-01-13 13:20 < LOUD_CAT> on a more serious note, it's fairly cheap to install a solar water heating system
2008-01-13 13:20 < Sfan00> Why should the hard working american public have to fork otu because oil companies are following est american business practice for thier shareholders?
2008-01-13 13:20 < Messedrocker> LOUD_CAT, but how effective is it?
2008-01-13 13:20 < LOUD_CAT> Messedrocker - quite effective
2008-01-13 13:21 < Messedrocker> compared to setting a 42-gallon container of oil on fire for energy?
2008-01-13 13:21 < LOUD_CAT> (my girlfriend was the head of the University of Delaware's Solar house project)
2008-01-13 13:21 < LOUD_CAT> they used one there and they were very happy with the results
2008-01-13 13:21 < Dtobias> When Amazon called their e-book reader "Kindle", that brought to mind burning books.
2008-01-13 13:22 < geniice> I love bridges they burn so beautifuly
2008-01-13 13:22 < Messedrocker> geniice, be sure not to set the george washington bridge on fire
2008-01-13 13:22 < Ceiling_Cat> Dtobias - unfortunately, ebooks are superior to their dead-tree competition only for searching
2008-01-13 13:22 < Messedrocker> i'll be travelling that today
2008-01-13 13:22 < Ceiling_Cat> (in that you can do an in-page electronic search for text)
2008-01-13 13:23 < Ceiling_Cat> the dead-tree edition is superior in all other ways
2008-01-13 13:23 < Messedrocker> Ceiling_Cat, my dad doesn't believe eBook readers will be seriously worth money until you can do hardcore annotation
2008-01-13 13:23 < Sfan00> geniice: Your details have been noted... Don't make jokes like that in the current climate
2008-01-13 13:23 < Messedrocker> annotation with the kindle is all but impossible
2008-01-13 13:24 < Sfan00> Messedrocker: Erm can Wiki's do annotations yet?
2008-01-13 13:24 < Sfan00> I thought not
2008-01-13 13:24 < Dtobias> Sfan00: We need a new bureaucracy to decide what jokes are allowable.
2008-01-13 13:24 < Sfan00> :(
2008-01-13 13:24 < Dtobias> Unapproved jokes must not be told.
2008-01-13 13:24 < geniice> Sfan00 I live in the fricin UK the current climate is unusaly peaceful
2008-01-13 13:25 < Sfan00> Btobias: And alll comedians have to be licensed?
2008-01-13 13:25 < Sfan00> Hmmm
2008-01-13 13:25 < amidaniel> God, Giuliani's a baffoon.
2008-01-13 13:25 < LOUD_CAT> Aha
2008-01-13 13:26 * LOUD_CAT notices a new entry in the photosubmission queue
2008-01-13 13:26 < Dtobias> No humor without a license!
2008-01-13 13:26 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-13 13:26 < Dtobias> (Poetic license doesn't count.)
2008-01-13 13:26 < White_Cat> the congress and amtrak has at least one thing in common
2008-01-13 13:26 < White_Cat> inefficency
2008-01-13 13:26 < geniice> Sfan00 oh yes http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/comedy/markthomas.shtml
2008-01-13 13:29 * Not_the_NSA suspects CableModem is on DSL
2008-01-13 13:29 < Xihix> I'm on 56k :(
2008-01-13 13:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Hooray
2008-01-13 13:33 * Ceiling_Cat glares at CableModem
2008-01-13 13:33 < Ceiling_Cat> CableModem - in or out, you're letting all the heat out
2008-01-13 13:34 < Messedrocker> why does cablemodem get to live in hawaii :(
2008-01-13 13:36 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - if it makes you feel better, he probably pays 100x more for stuff than you do
2008-01-13 13:36 < Ceiling_Cat> hawaii is *expensive*
2008-01-13 13:37 < James_Br0wn> :)
2008-01-13 13:37 < Messedrocker> what about their spam?
2008-01-13 13:38 < Messedrocker> is their spam expensive?
2008-01-13 13:39 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat no
2008-01-13 13:39 < White_Cat> hawaii is NOT expensive
2008-01-13 13:39 < White_Cat> rest of the world is dirt cheep
2008-01-13 13:40 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat now imagine the price of coffee on a shivan cruser
2008-01-13 13:45 < Mike3> is this an article about a book or a load of OR? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_of_Kong
2008-01-13 13:49 < Arsanerit> I wonder what the average loop size is if one follows the first article namespace wikilink on a random article.
2008-01-13 13:51 < amidaniel> Very large, I'd assume
2008-01-13 13:51 < Arsanerit> Actually
2008-01-13 13:51 < Arsanerit> I did the experiment
2008-01-13 13:51 < Arsanerit> First time it was 8
2008-01-13 13:51 < Arsanerit> language -> language
2008-01-13 13:52 < Arsanerit> language -> symbol -> octagon
2008-01-13 13:52 < Arsanerit> language -> symbol -> octagon -> geometry -> greek -> natural language -> philosophy of language -> language
2008-01-13 13:54 < Arsanerit> I end up in the same loop if I get random article again, via genetics, science, oxford english dictionary
2008-01-13 13:55 < Arsanerit> Many articles start with "from ... language: ..."
2008-01-13 13:55 < Arsanerit> and then you end up in this loop sooner or later
2008-01-13 13:56 < Arsanerit> Five random articles end up in this loop so far.
2008-01-13 13:57 < Arsanerit> Different loop now:
2008-01-13 13:57 < Arsanerit> Transport -> Travel -> Transport
2008-01-13 14:00 < Arsanerit> 7/8 in the language loop now
2008-01-13 14:04 < Arsanerit> education -> list of education topics -> education
2008-01-13 14:21 < kf4yfd> I need help and ideas for a Cleanup Taskforce assignment on: vhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasyntactic_variable
2008-01-13 14:21 < kf4yfd> the page is so bad I have no idea where to start
2008-01-13 14:22 < amidaniel> Uggg ... you'd think there was absolutely no news other than this f***ing election
2008-01-13 14:22 < kf4yfd> lol
2008-01-13 14:24 < bumm13> amidaniel: watch NFL games ;)
2008-01-13 14:24 < amidaniel> bumm13: Gahhh .. that's even worse!
2008-01-13 14:24 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-13 14:24 < amidaniel> At least there's only one month of the NFL nonsense left. We've got 11 months of election coverage ahead of us
2008-01-13 14:24 < amidaniel> *sigh*
2008-01-13 14:25 < bumm13> yeah :(
2008-01-13 14:25 < kf4yfd> is there a cleanup taskforce IRC channel by chance ??
2008-01-13 14:25 < amidaniel> kf4yfd: I don't think so
2008-01-13 14:25 < bumm13> I think CVU or whatever it's called has one, but it may be invite only
2008-01-13 14:25 < bumm13> I wouldn't worry too much about it
2008-01-13 14:26 < amidaniel> I think I has powerz in the cvu channel .. not sure though :)
2008-01-13 14:26 < kf4yfd> CVU?
2008-01-13 14:26 < bumm13> (CVU is "counter-vandalism unit", a bunch of wannabe "paramilitary" nerds who do nothing but revert vandalism)
2008-01-13 14:26 < amidaniel> Actually, wait, CVU doesn't exist anymore does it?
2008-01-13 14:27 < Fabexplosive> uhm, not CVN?
2008-01-13 14:27 < bumm13> perhaps not
2008-01-13 14:27 < bumm13> I really don't know anymore (or care)
2008-01-13 14:27 < amidaniel> I gotz powers in #cvn-en-wp and #cvn-meta .. I don't think that's hat kf4yfd is looking for though
2008-01-13 14:27 < Fabexplosive> #cvn-sw
2008-01-13 14:27 < kf4yfd> hmmm, not really reverting vandalism. The entire page is filled with rubbish from the get-go.
2008-01-13 14:27 < bumm13> content?
2008-01-13 14:27 < bumm13> {{sofixit}}
2008-01-13 14:28 < amidaniel> bumm13: That's helpful :) He's looking for help getting started on fixing it :)
2008-01-13 14:28 < kf4yfd> bumm13, lol
2008-01-13 14:28 < bumm13> "Edit this page" tab at the top of an article's page
2008-01-13 14:28 < bumm13> make changes, then save that edit
2008-01-13 14:29 < amidaniel> kf4yfd: Well, for starters, most of the article should either be deleted or moved to a "List of metasyntactic variables"
2008-01-13 14:29 < kf4yfd> bumm13: more than that I need ideas on how to split the page
2008-01-13 14:29 < bumm13> ("Save page" button)
2008-01-13 14:29 < bumm13> ah
2008-01-13 14:29 < kf4yfd> amidaniel: any word can be used as a metasyntactic variable.
2008-01-13 14:30 < amidaniel> 12648430 is commonly used as a hexadecimal number where it is represented as "C0FFEE".
2008-01-13 14:30 < bumm13> :x
2008-01-13 14:30 < amidaniel> kf4yfd: Yeah, which is why I'd recommend just deleting the random examples they chose to use :D
2008-01-13 14:31 < kf4yfd> I'm wondering if I should create a "nonsense words" article or just delete the whole shebang
2008-01-13 14:31 < amidaniel> Nuke it
2008-01-13 14:31 < amidaniel> 105 is sometimes used in conjunction with 69 due to the observation that 105 base 8 equals 69 in decimal, and 69 base 16 equals 105 in decimal.
2008-01-13 14:31 < kf4yfd> lol
2008-01-13 14:32 < bumm13> amidaniel: yuck
2008-01-13 14:32 < amidaniel> bumm13: yah
2008-01-13 14:32 < bumm13> that's ridiculous
2008-01-13 14:33 < kf4yfd> the whole page is rediculous!!
2008-01-13 14:33 < kf4yfd> any chance that anyone here is a talented write and knows how to simply explain the concept ?
2008-01-13 14:33 < kf4yfd> *writer
2008-01-13 14:34 < amidaniel> Blank the article. Replace it with "Foobar".
2008-01-13 14:34 < amidaniel> Concept explained :)
2008-01-13 14:34 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-13 14:34 < kf4yfd> < funny
2008-01-13 14:35 < bumm13> =vo'ov=
2008-01-13 14:35 < bumm13> =^o.o^=
2008-01-13 14:36 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: http://kelebekgaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/GaleriDetay.aspx?cid=8967&p=1&rid=2369
2008-01-13 14:36 < White_Cat> ...
2008-01-13 14:37 < amidaniel> You killed him!
2008-01-13 14:37 * amidaniel arrests White_Cat
2008-01-13 14:37 < White_Cat> Killed him?
2008-01-13 14:37 < White_Cat> I am a hologram!
2008-01-13 14:38 < bumm13> ------// =^o.o^= \\-------
2008-01-13 14:38 < bumm13>  
2008-01-13 14:42 < Triona> amidaniel: good idea, kindof
2008-01-13 14:43 < bumm13> hiya Triona
2008-01-13 14:43 < amidaniel> Triona: hrm?
2008-01-13 14:44 < Triona> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasyntactic_variable
2008-01-13 14:44 < CJMiller> Hello.
2008-01-13 14:44 < bumm13> hi
2008-01-13 14:46 < James_Br0wn> hi
2008-01-13 14:53 < CJMiller> how r u?
2008-01-13 14:58 < CJMiller> Why so little conversation on #WP today?
2008-01-13 14:59 < Cyrius> gets quiet sometimes
2008-01-13 14:59 < Cyrius> that's usually it, just random coincidence of people not wanting to or able to talk
2008-01-13 14:59 < Cyrius> unless the world ended and nobody told us
2008-01-13 14:59 < bumm13> nobody tells me anything >:(
2008-01-13 15:01 < Sfan00> Anyone in this channel speak Russian and Bulgarian?
2008-01-13 15:01 < CJMiller> I speak a little Spanish and Japanese.
2008-01-13 15:02 < Sfan00> Has to be Russian or Bulgarian sadly
2008-01-13 15:02 < Mike3> semiprotect? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giraffe&curid=12717&action=history
2008-01-13 15:02 < CJMiller> The only Russian I know is "do svedanya" (sp?).
2008-01-13 15:03 < CJMiller> Woof.
2008-01-13 15:03 < CJMiller> Semiprotect indeed.
2008-01-13 15:06 < White_Cat> http://kelebekgaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/LiveImages%5CG%C3%BCzelim%5CD%C3%9CNYANIN%20EN%20KOM%C4%B0K%20POSTA%20KUTULARI%5C014-829-1.jpg
2008-01-13 15:09 < Rinn> Heehee
2008-01-13 15:09 < Rinn> "The giraffe evolved from a 3 metre (10 ft) tall deer like mammal which roamed Europe and Asia 30-50 million years ago. During this time, if they got a sore throat at any time, they would choke and die."
2008-01-13 15:10 * Mike_H NP: Aly & AJ - Potential Breakup Song (2007)
2008-01-13 15:10 < Cyrius> Rinn: at least it was somewhat clever
2008-01-13 15:13 < Rinn> I wish more vandalism was clever.
2008-01-13 15:13 * Rinn Earthworm Jim 2 - The Flyin' King (1995)
2008-01-13 15:15 < CJMiller> Why is deviantART so slow?
2008-01-13 15:15 < CJMiller> :S
2008-01-13 15:15 < Rinn> Too much fur clogging up its tubes?
2008-01-13 15:16 < CJMiller> We are not amused.
2008-01-13 15:20 < CJMiller> Is there a website that lists all the IRC channels in the world? And if so, what is it?
2008-01-13 15:20 < Fabexplosive> CJMiller: /list ?
2008-01-13 15:21 < Fabexplosive> (only on freenode)
2008-01-13 15:21 < CJMiller> A *website*.
2008-01-13 15:21 < Fabexplosive> uhm, don't know
2008-01-13 15:21 < Aqwis> http://searchirc.com/ ?
2008-01-13 15:21 < CJMiller> thx much
2008-01-13 15:22 < CJMiller> SearchIRC says there are no channels whose name contains "shogi",
2008-01-13 15:29 < FormentarHome> Hmm... that searchirc thing is pretty nifty.
2008-01-13 15:34 * Rinn ghbnsdkfhlelhgs
2008-01-13 15:35 < Lycurgus> it doesn't appear to really search irc like the old ircbrowse at meme used to do, it just searches channel names and topics
2008-01-13 15:35 < FormentarHome> Though it doesn't find the channels I'm on on IRCnet, so: bah, humbug.
2008-01-13 15:35 < Lycurgus> which is a polite and objective way of saying b0rken ass ole shite
2008-01-13 15:36 < FormentarHome> Must be a bitch to gather all that information in real time. I suppose ideally you'd want full access to the network - every join, part, connect, nick change and whatnot.
2008-01-13 15:36 < FormentarHome> Too bad we can't search using Echelon. ;-)
2008-01-13 15:38 * Rinn coughs
2008-01-13 15:38 < Rinn> "This site is best viewed in Internet Explorer 4.xx and up, Netscape Navigator 7.01 and up and Javascript enabled."
2008-01-13 15:38 < Aqwis> netscape navigator 7.01 (and better) includes Firefox ;)
2008-01-13 15:40 < FormentarHome> Rinn: Lemme guess; it uses such modern features as tables.
2008-01-13 15:47 < Lycurgus> FormentarHome: not really, you just set up an irc client to log then read the logs. Currently the freenode logs for a lot of channels are online so it would just be a matter
2008-01-13 15:47 < Lycurgus> of collecting them and providing the search and highlighting/pretty printing functions.
2008-01-13 15:49 < NotACow> meh
2008-01-13 15:49 < FormentarHome> Lycurgus: But a bot on every channel on every network? I think it'd be kickbanned (or k-lined) in too many places to be useful. for one thing I can't imagine that'd be popular on invite-only kiddie pr0n channels. ;-)
2008-01-13 15:49 < Lycurgus> as I said they're already being logged.
2008-01-13 15:49 < NotACow> FormentarHome: i think the NSA has that bot alread
2008-01-13 15:49 < Lycurgus> the logs are publicly available.
2008-01-13 15:50 < NotACow> look, the NSA already gets about 40% of all internet traffic anyway
2008-01-13 15:50 < Lycurgus> the NSA gets 100% of internet traffic.
2008-01-13 15:50 < Lycurgus> all of it that passes thru US telecoms that is.
2008-01-13 15:50 < NotACow> Lycurgus: not 100%; not everyone is participating in their wiretrap program
2008-01-13 15:51 < Lycurgus> right, that's why I ammended.
2008-01-13 15:51 < NotACow> Lycurgus: not every US telecom is participating
2008-01-13 15:51 < FormentarHome> Lycurgus: You're talking freenode, right? Because there sure aren't any publicly available logs of, say, #skåne on IRCnet.
2008-01-13 15:52 < Lycurgus> they have access to levels of routing that mean they can essentially take a copy of most of the traffic flowing thru the net
2008-01-13 15:52 < Lycurgus> they just don't have the resources to effectively analyze it
2008-01-13 15:52 < NotACow> Lycurgus: i hae to wonder if they're storing it somewhere in a big datavault
2008-01-13 15:54 < Lycurgus> of course, i'd be surprised if not, storage cost are neglible today
2008-01-13 15:54 < FormentarHome> NotACow: I suspect that by far they'd need to be the world's biggest purchaser of storage media to do that. It must be many terabytes per second, if not more.
2008-01-13 15:55 < NotACow> FormentarHome: yeah, that's the problem
2008-01-13 15:55 < Cowclops> if somebody edited the bill clinton page to make the first instance of the word "is" a link to the word on wikipedia, would that be considered A) a subtle humorous jab at both wikipedia and bill clinton, B) unoriginal (but funny the first time somebody thought of it) or C) vandalism?
2008-01-13 15:55 < Cowclops> haha
2008-01-13 15:55 < Cowclops> a cow and notacow
2008-01-13 15:55 < Lycurgus> they've had capabilites for that for decades from the satelllite telemetry programs
2008-01-13 15:55 < Aqwis> Cowclops, D) test edit
2008-01-13 15:55 < Cowclops> which has the connation of what, aqwis
2008-01-13 15:55 < Aqwis> hmz
2008-01-13 15:56 < NotACow> a fully-loaded OC-48 will transit about 25 petabytes of data per day
2008-01-13 15:56 < FormentarHome> Cowclops: I'd call it informative. ;-)
2008-01-13 15:56 < NotACow> and there are dozens of OC-48s in the US backbone right now
2008-01-13 15:56 < Cowclops> for anybody not realizing what bill clinton has to do with it
2008-01-13 15:57 < Cowclops> thats based on his "it depends on the definition of the word 'is' " statement
2008-01-13 15:57 < Cowclops> (whatever he said)
2008-01-13 15:59 < Triona> Makes using encryption all that much more important.
2008-01-13 15:59 < Lycurgus> FormentarHome: yes I meant CS oriented channels on freenode like #haskell,#lisp,#squeak,etc.
2008-01-13 15:59 < Triona> that, and keyword stuffing your meaningless communications
2008-01-13 16:01 < FormentarHome> NotACow: I used to generate somewhere around 10 and 100 GB per day, quite a bit less after moving to a less developed country. Say 1Mbps to be conservative. Multiply with 10^8 people who use the internet that much, and we end up at about 10^13 bytes/s. Might be an overestimate of domestic traffic, but then there's non-domestic too.
2008-01-13 16:01 < Triona> Everyone should put up a nice hi nsa .signature
2008-01-13 16:01 < Triona> with some scary looking keywords in it.
2008-01-13 16:01 < Triona> make them fill up disks
2008-01-13 16:02 < NotACow> FormentarHome: a fully loaded T-1 is 15 gigabytes a day
2008-01-13 16:03 < FormentarHome> Lycurgus: I wondered how much an OC-48 was, and found this amusing fact: "when a specification is given as OC-n, that the speed will equal n × 51.8 Mbit/s"
2008-01-13 16:03 < mavhk> got to love those telecom people with their nice round numbers
2008-01-13 16:04 < Triona> *sighs* I'm going to have to take another axe to that article
2008-01-13 16:04 < NotACow> mavhk: there's a reasonf ro the numbers
2008-01-13 16:04 < NotACow> mavhk: OC-1 is one fiber's full
2008-01-13 16:05 < Triona> was
2008-01-13 16:05 < FormentarHome> NotACow: But people are connected with regular ethernet these days, aren't they? Now I'm only on ADSL, but I used to have 100 Mbps, and the house was connected to the city backbone at 1Gbps (which my neighbors oddly enough never managed to saturate).
2008-01-13 16:05 < Triona> Now they just as likely will use more efficient encoding/modulation schemes...
2008-01-13 16:05 < Lycurgus> "round" is radix/implementation dependent. In computers typicall the radix needs to be evenly divisible by 2.
2008-01-13 16:05 < Lycurgus> y
2008-01-13 16:07 < Lycurgus> so your fingers as a "natural" base are out.
2008-01-13 16:07 < Cowclops> wow, somebody was trying to explain "camelcase" and "automatic linking" on wikipedia to me, but he's making no sense and was assuming a link was automatic based on conditions that weren't true and an assumption that makes no sense
2008-01-13 16:07 < Cowclops> i feel like HE knows what he's talking about, but what he's saying makes no sense to me
2008-01-13 16:07 * Mike_H cuddles NicholasT
2008-01-13 16:07 < Cowclops> the example was:
2008-01-13 16:08 < lucasbfr> camelCase
2008-01-13 16:08 < Cowclops> on the spaceballs page, it says "Schwartz ring" (in that capitalization) and ring is a link to general rings
2008-01-13 16:08 * NicholasT cuddles Mike_H
2008-01-13 16:08 < Cowclops> So what the heck does that have to do with spaceballs
2008-01-13 16:08 < NicholasT> Mike_H: hello there darling :)
2008-01-13 16:08 < Cowclops> and why would it automatically link the word ring
2008-01-13 16:08 < Cowclops> err i mean
2008-01-13 16:08 < Cowclops> what the heck does that have to do with camelcase
2008-01-13 16:08 < lucasbfr> Cowclops: on WP??
2008-01-13 16:08 < Mike_H> :)
2008-01-13 16:08 < FormentarHome> Cowclops: I've used some other wiki that uses camelcase for links. It's ugly.
2008-01-13 16:09 < lucasbfr> I don't think camelCase linking is enabled here
2008-01-13 16:09 * Mike_H cuddles lucasbfr as well
2008-01-13 16:09 < Cowclops> Yes, he "thought" ring was automatically linked to the article about rings because of camelcase or some such nonsense
2008-01-13 16:09 < lucasbfr> nope
2008-01-13 16:09 < Cowclops> but the example wasn't camelcase
2008-01-13 16:09 < Cowclops> and it wasn't automatically linked
2008-01-13 16:09 < lucasbfr> he's just using drugs
2008-01-13 16:09 < lucasbfr> Mike_H: hey :)
2008-01-13 16:09 < bumm13> hiya Mike_H
2008-01-13 16:10 < Mike_H> hi
2008-01-13 16:10 < Cowclops> And automatically linking to every word that theres an article for would be NASTY ugly
2008-01-13 16:12 < NicholasT> thisCamelHasFarTooManyHumps
2008-01-13 16:12 < Cowclops> i understand camelcase, but he explained in about 20 lines how automatic linking is determined in the "default" version of mediawiki (whatever he's talking about)
2008-01-13 16:12 < Cowclops> and if what he says is accurate, it would be awful to have that be default functionality
2008-01-13 16:12 < NicholasT> indeed
2008-01-13 16:12 < bumm13> CamelCase is a remnant from many moons ago
2008-01-13 16:12 < NicholasT> c2 and all those early ones
2008-01-13 16:13 < NicholasT> ah, the dear old PortlandPatternRepository..
2008-01-13 16:13 < Aqwis2> CamelCase is still used in lots of wiki software
2008-01-13 16:13 < bumm13> well, I mean before wikis existed even :)
2008-01-13 16:13 < Cowclops> The only automatic link i think is (marginally) acceptable is dates
2008-01-13 16:13 < Cowclops> like, years
2008-01-13 16:13 < bumm13> CamelCase was used in some form way back at Xerox PARC in the 1970s
2008-01-13 16:13 < NicholasT> I recall when I started off editing WP as an anon, I thought everyone had just forgotten to put all the linked terms in CamelCase and proceeded to try and change a whole load of articles to it
2008-01-13 16:13 < bumm13> also note that CamelCase is basically the same notion as "Hungarian notation"
2008-01-13 16:13 < NicholasT> bumm13: It's from Smalltalk I think and indeed C used it before then
2008-01-13 16:14 < bumm13> yeah, probably
2008-01-13 16:14 < bumm13> Charles Simonyi was at both PARC and Microsoft (in its early years)
2008-01-13 16:14 < bumm13> Simonyi was of Hungarian background
2008-01-13 16:14 < NicholasT> Prolog uses case-sensitivity as well
2008-01-13 16:14 < bumm13> I don't think that's a coincedence :)
2008-01-13 16:14 < Cowclops> then he was trying to explain "lower camelCase"
2008-01-13 16:15 < Cowclops> and i'm like "that still doesn't have anything to do with "Schwartz ring"
2008-01-13 16:15 < Cowclops> which is A) two words and B) isn't camelcase in any way shape or form
2008-01-13 16:15 < bumm13> the entire Win32 API is of the mixed-case legacy
2008-01-13 16:15 < NicholasT> Hungarian notation is the MS-type form of CamelCase thought, e.g. intSomeInteger, dblSomeDouble, strSomeString, objSomethingElse
2008-01-13 16:15 < bumm13> yep
2008-01-13 16:15 < Cowclops> I do understand that from computer science 1 though
2008-01-13 16:15 < Cowclops> as far as naming variables
2008-01-13 16:16 < NicholasT> Java has oddly not inherited such nomenclature despite strict object typing, possibly because of autoboxing I suppose
2008-01-13 16:17 < NicholasT> nor Objective-C although that is utterly weird in every way
2008-01-13 16:18 < Triona> I like the apps form of hungarian notation better ;)
2008-01-13 16:19 < NicholasT> I always wondered why people didn't just use "obj" for objects and "pri" for primitive types
2008-01-13 16:19 < Triona> Apps hungarian means the prefixes are by functional type, not data type
2008-01-13 16:19 < NicholasT> ah
2008-01-13 16:19 < NicholasT> yes
2008-01-13 16:20 < NicholasT> that definitely makes more sense
2008-01-13 16:20 < Triona> like, calling all your inputs taintedThis taintedThat
2008-01-13 16:21 < Triona> in that example, a good security practice, because you'll easily see when you are using a variable where you shouldn't
2008-01-13 16:21 < Triona> exec(taintedFormField); just looks wrong
2008-01-13 16:21 < NicholasT> yes - I suppose it makes more sense which variables are local scope only and which aren't
2008-01-13 16:22 < NicholasT> That's one thing I truly hate about Java - that flippin' "protected" scope
2008-01-13 16:22 < NicholasT> or "package", even worse
2008-01-13 16:23 < Triona> as does CloseWindow(configAutosave);
2008-01-13 16:23 < NicholasT> indeed
2008-01-13 16:23 < Triona> that imediately provokes a "what the hell are they doing?"
2008-01-13 16:24 < Schroeder> COLTS WIN!
2008-01-13 16:24 < NicholasT> Triona: Program.coding.Exception.stupidProgrammerWhoHasNoClue()
2008-01-13 16:25 * Huntster beats Schroeder in the face
2008-01-13 16:25 < Huntster> not even funny :(
2008-01-13 16:26 < NicholasT> I wish there was an extendingClassWrittenByFuckedUpProgrammer() exception in languages
2008-01-13 16:27 < Schroeder> what's not funny?
2008-01-13 16:27 < NicholasT> Schroeder: you aren't
2008-01-13 16:27 < NicholasT> Schroeder: because the cabal says so
2008-01-13 16:27 < Cyrius> is_computer_on_fire()
2008-01-13 16:28 < Schroeder> NicholasT: lies
2008-01-13 16:28 < Schroeder> Cyrius: yeah, BeOS is awesome
2008-01-13 16:28 < Schroeder> or, wait
2008-01-13 16:28 < Schroeder> BeOs has IsComputerOn()
2008-01-13 16:28 < Cyrius> "Returns 1 if the computer is on. If the computer isn't on, the value returned by this function is undefined."
2008-01-13 16:28 < NicholasT> Cyrius: I did once come across a hilarious printer driver event signal that was "SIG_PRINTER_ON_FIRE"
2008-01-13 16:30 < NicholasT> Cyrius: The amusing thing was that one wonders how the printer controller would send the signal or, if it did, what the I/O handler was meant to do about it
2008-01-13 16:30 < bumm13> spray ink onto the fire?
2008-01-13 16:30 < NicholasT> haha, ink that contains ethanol? :)
2008-01-13 16:31 < NicholasT> There should have been an extra CALL_EXTIO_RUN_SCREAMING
2008-01-13 16:32 < bumm13> ooooo, ethanol
2008-01-13 16:32 < Triona> NicholasT: IIRC there was a printer that asserted an odd combination of status lines when the controller board overheated
2008-01-13 16:32 < bumm13> fun stuff :)
2008-01-13 16:32 < NicholasT> Triona: haha
2008-01-13 16:32 < Triona> like, signaling out of paper at the same time signalling ready or something like that
2008-01-13 16:33 < Triona> That confused state only happened when the printer was really screwed up
2008-01-13 16:33 < Triona> and it eventually turned into a joke
2008-01-13 16:33 < bumm13> I just ran a "clean up shit" program for Windows (CCleaner)
2008-01-13 16:33 < Triona> for a while, linux had a "lp0 on fire" error
2008-01-13 16:33 < NicholasT> Triona: ah :)
2008-01-13 16:33 < bumm13> it returned: "ANALYSIS COMPLETE - (0.536 secs) --- 6.66MB to be removed. (Approximate size)"
2008-01-13 16:33 < bumm13> :x
2008-01-13 16:34 < NicholasT> bumm13: I've got a fantastic "clean up shit" program for Windows that runs off a FreeDOS bootdisk.
2008-01-13 16:34 < bumm13> interesting
2008-01-13 16:34 < NicholasT> bumm13: It is less than 1K in size, too. "FORMAT C:"
2008-01-13 16:34 < bumm13> :p
2008-01-13 16:34 < bumm13> zomg roffle
2008-01-13 16:35 < Triona> NicholasT: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=102893054014512&w=2
2008-01-13 16:35 < NicholasT> It *really* cleans up all the shit. Trust me.
2008-01-13 16:35 < bumm13> it works for Linux, too :D
2008-01-13 16:35 < NicholasT> bumm13: Ah no, because FreeDOS can't natively mount ext2fs :P
2008-01-13 16:36 < bumm13> ah, use fdisk or something similar then :-)
2008-01-13 16:36 < Triona> I was kindof right... some old drum printers, if they asserted "out of paper" without asserting "offline", were in the process of overheating
2008-01-13 16:36 < NicholasT> Triona: ah, hmm, interesting
2008-01-13 16:36 < NicholasT> bumm13: I'm a Mac OS X man these days anyway though.
2008-01-13 16:37 < Triona> it became the traditional "unknown error" message in *nix enviroments
2008-01-13 16:37 < bumm13> OS X is interesting
2008-01-13 16:37 < bumm13> I haven't had a chance to mess around with it, myself
2008-01-13 16:37 < marmorera> der beitrag zum libanonkrieg von 2006 ist sehr israelfreundlich geschrieben
2008-01-13 16:37 < marmorera> wie w�r es den mal etwas auszugleichen?
2008-01-13 16:38 < bumm13> marmorera - #wikipedia-de
2008-01-13 16:38 < NicholasT> bumm13: I like the fact it has all my UNIX home comforts and gcc behaves exactly as you'd hope, yet will work flawlessly with nearly no tinkering and no f**ing kernel extensions needed for drivers
2008-01-13 16:38 < FUFRANK> What is this?
2008-01-13 16:38 < FUFRANK> A center for ants?
2008-01-13 16:39 < FUFRANK> How are we expected to teach children to read if they can't fit inside the building?
2008-01-13 16:39 < NicholasT> FUFRANK: ?
2008-01-13 16:39 * bumm13 plonks FUFRANK over the head with a mallet
2008-01-13 16:39 < marmorera> the article about the libanon war in 2006 is written from the israeli point of view
2008-01-13 16:39 < FUFRANK> zoolander is on
2008-01-13 16:40 < bumm13> FUFRANK - moof?
2008-01-13 16:40 < NicholasT> Anyway, I must love you and leave you all now. Laters, all.
2008-01-13 16:40 < bumm13> cya later
2008-01-13 16:42 < Mike_H> he's so good at that
2008-01-13 16:42 * Mike_H swoons
2008-01-13 16:42 < bumm13> Mike_H: the Seahawks were flash-frozen yesterday :(
2008-01-13 16:43 < Mike_H> I would :(
2008-01-13 16:43 < Mike_H> but they beat the Redskins
2008-01-13 16:43 < Mike_H> so
2008-01-13 16:43 < Mike_H> :)
2008-01-13 16:43 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-13 16:43 < bumm13> down came the snow!
2008-01-13 16:44 < bumm13> and down they went....
2008-01-13 16:45 < geniice> hmmm http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/buzz/archives/129228.asp?from=blog_last3
2008-01-13 16:46 < geniice> hmmp firefox currently useing 201K
2008-01-13 16:53 < FUFRANK> HELLO WIKIPEDIA!
2008-01-13 16:53 < FUFRANK> I came to visit you
2008-01-13 16:53 < FUFRANK> i love you
2008-01-13 16:53 < FUFRANK> will you marry me?
2008-01-13 16:54 < Dissentient> Are you loaded?
2008-01-13 16:55 < Cowclops> i wish i was loaded
2008-01-13 16:55 < reinis> how do you get just the article text?
2008-01-13 16:55 < reinis> what ?action= was that?
2008-01-13 16:57 < FUFRANK> no im horny
2008-01-13 16:57 * FUFRANK humps wikipedia
2008-01-13 16:58 < reinis> anyone?
2008-01-13 16:59 < Cowclops> protip: wikipedia isn't porn, but theres plenty of porn to be found on the internet
2008-01-13 16:59 < Cowclops> so, keep lookin. haha
2008-01-13 17:00 < Pilotguy_aw> uh, right
2008-01-13 17:00 < FUFRANK> wikipedia has a entry on porn
2008-01-13 17:00 < FUFRANK> i know
2008-01-13 17:00 < FUFRANK> i masturbate to it everyday
2008-01-13 17:00 < Cowclops> so pilotguy, are you a pilot...guy
2008-01-13 17:00 * Cyrius gives Pilotguy a cookie
2008-01-13 17:01 * Pilotguy may or may not be NotAPilot
2008-01-13 17:01 < reinis> anyone?
2008-01-13 17:03 < Cowclops> i am a pilot
2008-01-13 17:03 < Cowclops> lol
2008-01-13 17:06 < bishonen> Pilotguy: did you de-voice that guy?
2008-01-13 17:06 < Mike_H> it was kind of a lame trolling
2008-01-13 17:06 < Mike_H> considering what we usually get
2008-01-13 17:06 * bishonen doesn't understand the commands
2008-01-13 17:06 < bishonen> monotonouos, Mike
2008-01-13 17:08 < GDonato> reinis: raw?
2008-01-13 17:08 < reinis> GDonato: I need parsed HTML, not wikimarkup
2008-01-13 17:09 < Cowclops> hows this for weak trolling
2008-01-13 17:09 < GDonato> reinis: try #mediawiki
2008-01-13 17:09 < Cowclops> some guy joined a channel i was in and kept flooding in barely coherent english that he was annoyed at another guy in the channel for banning him in a DIFFERENT channel
2008-01-13 17:09 < reinis> I tried, GDonato, they either don't know or are keeping it from me
2008-01-13 17:10 < reinis> turns out it's action=render
2008-01-13 17:10 < Cowclops> so i was like "so you didn't want so and so to ban you. if i ask him why he banned you and maybe try to get you unbanned, would you stop flooding?"
2008-01-13 17:10 < Cowclops> and he didn't respond and kept flooding
2008-01-13 17:10 < Cowclops> i guess thats the problem with trolls, if they were smart they'd have a goal
2008-01-13 17:10 < Cyrius> bishonen: silence, it's the inverse of voicing
2008-01-13 17:10 < Cowclops> but trolling is pretty much the definition of an absence of any sensical goal
2008-01-13 17:11 < bishonen> Cyrius: ye, i've got it now, thanks.
2008-01-13 17:11 < Cyrius> trolls have the goal of pissing people off
2008-01-13 17:11 < Cowclops> but that doesn't make any sense as a personal goal. pissing people off is detrimental to your well being
2008-01-13 17:12 < Cyrius> you assume rationality
2008-01-13 17:12 < Cowclops> it ensures people will just stop paying attention to you
2008-01-13 17:12 < Cyrius> you can't assume rationality
2008-01-13 17:12 < Cowclops> oh, i know most people are irrational
2008-01-13 17:12 < Cowclops> "all" people if you have to be rational all the time to "not be irrational"
2008-01-13 17:13 < Cowclops> but i'd still draw a line between 'Typically rational" and "typically irrational" people
2008-01-13 17:13 < Cowclops> lol
2008-01-13 17:13 * Pilotguy huggles bishonen
2008-01-13 17:13 < Cowclops> he "left" by your request... how come you didn't just kick him
2008-01-13 17:13 < Pilotguy> feh.
2008-01-13 17:13 < bumm13> sounds nicer
2008-01-13 17:14 < Cowclops> hmm
2008-01-13 17:14 < Pilotguy> If he wasn't so lame I might give him the proper credit ;)
2008-01-13 17:14 < Pilotguy> s/give/have given
2008-01-13 17:16 < DannyLilithborne> someone delete this please
2008-01-13 17:17 < DannyLilithborne> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Songs_about_fame
2008-01-13 17:17 < GDonato> reinis: if they don't know then that is somewhat concerning ;)
2008-01-13 17:35 < Sfan00> Any admins in?
2008-01-13 17:35 < Sfan00> I've got a possibel problem user
2008-01-13 17:35 < Aqwis2> mmm
2008-01-13 17:35 < The359> Don't we all?
2008-01-13 17:36 * Aqwis2 is a possible problem user
2008-01-13 17:36 < Aqwis2> but only possible
2008-01-13 17:36 < Sfan00> SonnerDub seems to have added links to a site full of downloads of various Windows system files
2008-01-13 17:37 < Sfan00> Only problem is that site doesn't seem to have a license for those files :(
2008-01-13 17:37 < Sfan00> user warned but would appreiacte admins taking a look
2008-01-13 17:37 < Triona> To which wiki?
2008-01-13 17:37 < Triona> Not that I'm an admin
2008-01-13 17:37 < Triona> but I can at least try to clean up the mess
2008-01-13 17:38 < Triona> link their contribs?
2008-01-13 17:38 < yao_ziyuan> would anyone do me a favor by adding ScrapBook to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_crawler#Open-source_crawlers (i can't edit wikipedia because i'm in mainland china and all my proxy systems are blocked by wp)?
2008-01-13 17:38 < yao_ziyuan> ScrapBook is https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/427
2008-01-13 17:39 < Sfan00> Triona: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SoonerDub
2008-01-13 17:39 < Sfan00> Already hit them with one warning
2008-01-13 17:39 < Sfan00> I don't want to have to invoke a block
2008-01-13 17:41 < Triona> I'll keep an eye out.
2008-01-13 17:42 < Triona> I find it interesting that one of their only edits was to install twinkle...
2008-01-13 17:42 < Triona> Someone that "new" shouldn't even know twinkle exists.
2008-01-13 17:43 < Sfan00> yeah
2008-01-13 17:43 < Sfan00> The name seems familar
2008-01-13 17:44 < Triona> Not much else to do until they continue.
2008-01-13 17:45 < Sfan00> is there a twinkle scrpit that can findout when a link was first added?
2008-01-13 17:52 < NotASpy> nope, you'll need to run a query on the database.
2008-01-13 17:55 < Phoenix-wiki> WOW! http://common-lisp.net/project/lifp/rouge.htm
2008-01-13 18:05 < Dtobias> Does that game give you a way to get ahead by forming a clique and ganging up on opponents?
2008-01-13 18:06 < CableModem> o_O
2008-01-13 18:12 < geniice> yao_ziyuan what license is it under?
2008-01-13 18:12 < geniice> Phoenix-wiki that still sround?
2008-01-13 18:12 < Phoenix-wiki> what?
2008-01-13 18:12 < Phoenix-wiki> oh, that
2008-01-13 18:13 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah
2008-01-13 18:13 < Phoenix-wiki> I attacked some users and got blocked
2008-01-13 18:13 < Phoenix-wiki> personal attacks
2008-01-13 18:13 < Phoenix-wiki> but I wrote 4 GAS
2008-01-13 18:13 < Phoenix-wiki> and I was an admin when I was blocked...stupid
2008-01-13 18:22 < bumm13> hiya Phoenix-wiki
2008-01-13 18:22 < Phoenix-wiki> heya bumm13
2008-01-13 18:22 < bumm13> I like your cat pic :)
2008-01-13 18:27 < Phoenix-wiki> thanbks, it's gurches
2008-01-13 18:27 * Mike_H has a Solid Gold flashback
2008-01-13 18:27 * Mike_H NP: Climax Blues Band - I Love You (1981)
2008-01-13 18:31 * CableModem hits Ceiling_Cat with a shovel
2008-01-13 18:31 < CableModem> :O
2008-01-13 18:31 * CableModem htis LOUD_CAT with a shovel too
2008-01-13 18:32 * CableModem hits EVEN_LOUDER_CAT with a bulldozer
2008-01-13 18:32 * EVEN_LOUDER_CAT THINKS CABLEMODEM HAS A THING AGAINST CATS
2008-01-13 18:32 < CableModem> DAMN RIGHT!
2008-01-13 18:32 * The359 HAS A THING AGAINST LOUD CATS
2008-01-13 18:33 * CableModem has a cat against loud things
2008-01-13 18:33 * Triona turns up her music to drown out all the cats.
2008-01-13 18:33 < Mike_H> mrowrrrr
2008-01-13 18:33 < bumm13> =^o.o^=
2008-01-13 18:33 * Triona files CFD's
2008-01-13 18:33 < Ceiling_Cat> Do we have a POV warning template?
2008-01-13 18:33 < Mike_H> bumm13: I know what I can do to scare the cats
2008-01-13 18:33 < bumm13> {{npov}}
2008-01-13 18:33 < Ceiling_Cat> No no, one intended for user talk pages
2008-01-13 18:33 * Mike_H NP: Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
2008-01-13 18:33 < bumm13> ah
2008-01-13 18:34 < CableModem> once we were in a restraunt next to the window
2008-01-13 18:34 < Cowclops> mrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooow
2008-01-13 18:34 < CableModem> and we could see our van outside
2008-01-13 18:34 < CableModem> and there was a ferral cat under neath it
2008-01-13 18:34 < CableModem> so I got the keyfob and hit the lock buttton, and the van went *beep!*
2008-01-13 18:35 < CableModem> and the cat looks around
2008-01-13 18:35 < CableModem> decides everythings ok
2008-01-13 18:35 < CableModem> then i hit the OMGPANICBUTTON
2008-01-13 18:35 < CableModem> cat runs.
2008-01-13 18:35 < CableModem> >.>
2008-01-13 18:35 < Cowclops> hey ultramagnus, wheres rodimus
2008-01-13 18:36 < Cowclops> awhoohoohoo
2008-01-13 18:36 < CableModem> whats a Cowclops
2008-01-13 18:36 < CableModem> is that like a cyclops
2008-01-13 18:37 < Cowclops> but a cow.
2008-01-13 18:37 < Cowclops> www.cowclops.net
2008-01-13 18:37 < Cowclops> that is also, incidentally, purple and says fishstick
2008-01-13 18:38 * LOUD_CAT TURNS THE VOLUME UP TO 11
2008-01-13 18:39 < CableModem> the amplifier in my room that im listening to now goes up to 40 lol
2008-01-13 18:39 * CableModem CRANKS IT TO 40
2008-01-13 18:39 < The359> who needs 40 when you have 11
2008-01-13 18:39 < CableModem> me
2008-01-13 18:40 < CableModem> my amp is japanese made, so maybe its metric for 11 or somethng
2008-01-13 18:40 < Mike_H> I don't like how unseasonably warm it's been
2008-01-13 18:41 < Mike_H> all last week, the highs were between 81 and 84
2008-01-13 18:41 < Mike_H> which is 11 to 14 degrees higher than average
2008-01-13 18:41 < Mike_H> we apparently had a record high yesterday
2008-01-13 18:41 < White_Cat> CableModem maybe its in kanji
2008-01-13 18:41 < Mike_H> 84
2008-01-13 18:42 < White_Cat> japanese counting system increments in 3$Bc`QT(B
2008-01-13 18:42 < The359> Thank you weather man
2008-01-13 18:42 < CableModem> o_O
2008-01-13 18:42 < Mike_H> The359: it's hot :(
2008-01-13 18:42 < The359> keep it that way
2008-01-13 18:42 < Mike_H> Actuals 84��F 59��F
2008-01-13 18:42 < Mike_H> Records 82��F
2008-01-13 18:42 < Mike_H> (1989) 24��F
2008-01-13 18:42 < Mike_H> (1982)
2008-01-13 18:42 < White_Cat> men like hot women yet hate hot weather
2008-01-13 18:42 < The359> I'll be in FLA in 2 weeks
2008-01-13 18:42 < White_Cat> feels wrong
2008-01-13 18:42 < Mike_H> Month
2008-01-13 18:42 < Mike_H> to date 84��F 30��F
2008-01-13 18:43 < White_Cat> Mike_H global warming...
2008-01-13 18:43 < Mike_H> Now that's craziness. The highest high was 84 and the lowest low was 30.
2008-01-13 18:43 < Mike_H> It's supposed to be nice tomorrow though
2008-01-13 18:43 < Mike_H> Mostly sunny skies. High 69F. Winds NNW at 5 to 10 mph.
2008-01-13 18:44 < CableModem> thank you mr weather man
2008-01-13 18:45 < DoubleAW> yay my username was changed
2008-01-13 18:45 < Mike_H> it's more interesting than whatever you were talking about before
2008-01-13 18:45 < Mike_H> cats
2008-01-13 18:45 < Mike_H> and volume
2008-01-13 18:45 < CableModem> haha no way man
2008-01-13 18:45 < CableModem> but since we're on the topic of weather
2008-01-13 18:45 < CableModem> heres the forecast for hawaii
2008-01-13 18:45 < Mike_H> CableModem: The forecast for Hawaii is the same all year, isn't it?
2008-01-13 18:45 < CableModem> Pleasent, with expected pleasent tonight, and tomorrow looks pleasent too.
2008-01-13 18:46 < CableModem> nah it changes
2008-01-13 18:46 < CableModem> it gets rainy in winter
2008-01-13 18:46 < CableModem> and oddly rainy in summer some times
2008-01-13 18:46 < CableModem> and rainy in spring
2008-01-13 18:46 < CableModem> and sometimes in fall
2008-01-13 18:46 < CableModem> in 2006 i think, we had 40 days of rain
2008-01-13 18:46 < CableModem> like all you can drink special
2008-01-13 18:47 < CableModem> and lasst year in november or december we had two weeks where it just rained.
2008-01-13 18:47 < CableModem> RAIN RAINRAINRAIN
2008-01-13 18:47 < CableModem> wash your cat away rain
2008-01-13 18:47 < CableModem> holy shit i cant see 5 feet infront of my car rain
2008-01-13 18:48 < Mike_H> Oh, we have bad rain in the summertime
2008-01-13 18:48 < Mike_H> but it'll happen in flash floods
2008-01-13 18:48 < Mike_H> for like two hours
2008-01-13 18:48 < CableModem> :D
2008-01-13 18:48 < Mike_H> and then it'll move out and the sun will shine as if nothing happened
2008-01-13 18:48 < CableModem> >.>
2008-01-13 18:48 < Mike_H> and whoever says rain cools down things is such a liar
2008-01-13 18:48 < Mike_H> and they have not been in a Florida summer
2008-01-13 18:48 < CableModem> it gets humid
2008-01-13 18:48 < Mike_H> It's 2,000 degrees before the rain
2008-01-13 18:48 < Mike_H> it rains
2008-01-13 18:48 < CableModem> LOL
2008-01-13 18:48 < Mike_H> and then the sun comes out
2008-01-13 18:48 < Mike_H> and warms the Earth to 3,000 degrees
2008-01-13 18:49 < CableModem> LOL
2008-01-13 18:49 < CableModem> xD
2008-01-13 18:49 < Mike_H> I've lived in Florida all my life and I NEVER get used to the summers.
2008-01-13 18:50 < CableModem> hawaii is either nice, or not nice.
2008-01-13 18:50 < CableModem> its not like, oh, maybe it might be alright
2008-01-13 18:50 < CableModem> its either crap, its raining, or crap its windy and cold
2008-01-13 18:50 < CableModem> or dang, its a nice day