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2008-01-13 08:49 < jemfinch> that section is lifted almost verbatim from http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=transcripts&id=78
2008-01-13 08:49 < jemfinch> including such POV text as, "What sense would these statements make if they came from an unmarried man? In view of all that Paul has said on marriage in 1 Corinthians, it is quite unlikely that the Corinthians would accept his epistle and his arguments if he had been divorced or separated from a wife. The message of 2 Corinthians 7, however, is that the first epistle was accepted and many Saints repented."
2008-01-13 08:50 < jemfinch> i.e., it's a doctrinal dissertation masquerading in an encyclopedic entry :)
2008-01-13 08:50 < bishonen> arghh
2008-01-13 08:50 < bishonen> just blank it
2008-01-13 08:50 < jemfinch> that's what I was thinking was most appropriate
2008-01-13 08:50 < bishonen> kill with a stick
2008-01-13 08:51 < geniice> text added here
2008-01-13 08:51 < geniice> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_the_Apostle&diff=171516642&oldid=171315191
2008-01-13 08:53 < bishonen> better make sure of these, then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cristiandeidaho
2008-01-13 08:53 < jemfinch> some of the other changes ought to be reverted (though there's some POV text that was just switched to a different POV in that revision, IMO)
2008-01-13 08:53 < bishonen> i'm not editing, personally.)(
2008-01-13 08:53 < jemfinch> bishonen: ok, I'll take care of it
2008-01-13 08:53 < jemfinch> I'll let you know when I'm done if you want to review.
2008-01-13 08:53 < bishonen> jemfinch: cool.
2008-01-13 08:54 < bishonen> no, i'm sure you can do it. no review.
2008-01-13 08:54 < bishonen> i'm in purdah.
2008-01-13 08:54 < geniice> jemfinch I've reverted back to pre copyvio version
2008-01-13 08:55 < Weaselosaurus> Df' G(x) ≡ (φ) [P(φ) ⊃ φ(x)] GOD! (Kurt Godel)
2008-01-13 08:55 < jemfinch> I'm going to fix the "discouraged marriage"
2008-01-13 08:55 < jemfinch> (that's POV; it would be NPOV to say he "encouraged celibacy")
2008-01-13 08:56 < bishonen> jemfinch: do. happy honeymoon!
2008-01-13 08:56 < jemfinch> bishonen: honeymoon? :)
2008-01-13 08:56 < bishonen> to encourage marriage...
2008-01-13 08:56 < jemfinch> heh
2008-01-13 08:57 < jemfinch> actually, that whole sentence is offtopic in that section
2008-01-13 08:57 < bishonen> or come and throw rice at me and user:El C, we're off to Niagara Falls!
2008-01-13 08:57 < jemfinch> bishonen: congrats :)
2008-01-13 08:57 < bishonen> :-)
2008-01-13 08:58 < jemfinch> ugh, Safari needs a way to disable accesskeys
2008-01-13 08:58 < bishonen> what are accesskeys?
2008-01-13 08:58 < bishonen> i didn't find Safari good for wiki, myself
2008-01-13 08:58 < jemfinch> they're what happens when you press Ctrl-e or Ctrl-k on various wikipedia pages
2008-01-13 08:59 < bishonen> er.. what?
2008-01-13 08:59 < jemfinch> which is annoying, since they override the emacs keybindings in Safari textboxes
2008-01-13 08:59 < bishonen> that doesn't sound Mac.
2008-01-13 08:59 < jemfinch> they're not mac, they're web :)
2008-01-13 08:59 < jemfinch> Trac does the same thing
2008-01-13 08:59 < bishonen> Safari is Mac.
2008-01-13 08:59 < jemfinch> as well as Plone
2008-01-13 09:00 < jemfinch> bishonen: <a href="/wiki/Talk:Paul_the_Apostle" title="Discussion about the content page [t]" accesskey="t">Discussion</a>
2008-01-13 09:00 < jemfinch> when that's present in the HTML, Ctrl-t will take you to the discussion page
2008-01-13 09:00 < jemfinch> (in all browsers, not just Safari, afaik)
2008-01-13 09:00 < bishonen> oh, well. I use Seamonkey now, it's great.
2008-01-13 09:00 < bishonen> oh
2008-01-13 09:00 < jemfinch> the problem is that it conflicts my emacs keybindings
2008-01-13 09:01 < jemfinch> so I'm editing as usual, I press Ctrl-e to go to the end of the line, and boom -- I've reloaded the page and lost my edits
2008-01-13 09:01 < bishonen> jemfinch: i'm a little old lady. use words of one syllable, please
2008-01-13 09:01 < bishonen> at most.
2008-01-13 09:02 * bishonen gives a demented cackle
2008-01-13 09:03 < jemfinch> safari has keys that edit text; things like ctrl-e (go to the end of the line) and ctrl-k (kill the rest of the line) and I use them. accesskeys cause those not to work, but I still type them and end up on a new page, which makes me lose my changes
2008-01-13 09:03 < bishonen> ok, i see
2008-01-13 09:03 < bishonen> inconvenient.
2008-01-13 09:03 < jemfinch> yeah
2008-01-13 09:03 < Weaselosaurus> Is that a different cackle from the one that says "You'll be trapped in this room forever!!" after the heavy stone door has magically slid closed?
2008-01-13 09:03 < jemfinch> and accesskeys are apparently important for accessibility
2008-01-13 09:04 < jemfinch> so I'm not advising that Wikipedia remove them
2008-01-13 09:04 < bishonen> it's the "Who took my ear trumpet?" cackle
2008-01-13 09:04 < jemfinch> only that Safari let me check a box which disables them.
2008-01-13 09:04 < Scott5114> jemfinch: you can turn them off through the Preferences page.
2008-01-13 09:04 < Scott5114> jemfinch: it's under the Gadgets tab.
2008-01-13 09:05 < Weaselosaurus> it's funny, when I copy Wikipedia articles wholesale I get blind text saying "go to navigation, search", wonder what that is
2008-01-13 09:05 < Scott5114> Unless that doesn't refer to the keys I'm think of.
2008-01-13 09:05 < jemfinch> Scott5114: Safari preferences? I have no gadgets tab
2008-01-13 09:05 < bishonen> Weaselosaurus: actually, it's the preparatory cackle just before I turn into...
2008-01-13 09:05 < Scott5114> jemfinch: No, Wikipedia prefs.
2008-01-13 09:05 < Weaselosaurus> AAH!
2008-01-13 09:05 < bishonen> BISHZILLA!
2008-01-13 09:05 < Weaselosaurus> :-D
2008-01-13 09:05 < Scott5114> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences
2008-01-13 09:05 < Scott5114> or the "preferences" link at the top, next to your username.
2008-01-13 09:05 < jemfinch> ah, excellent
2008-01-13 09:06 < jemfinch> now I'll just need to actually login before making changes :)
2008-01-13 09:06 < Weaselosaurus> Manchester...the West Midlands...Spain...China
2008-01-13 09:06 < Scott5114> lol
2008-01-13 09:06 < Weaselosaurus> sorry, obscure Python reference
2008-01-13 09:07 < bishonen> is that the German show? Best Python ever.
2008-01-13 09:08 < Weaselosaurus> it's from the sketch "How Not To Be Seen"
2008-01-13 09:09 < jemfinch> geniice: was there any special technique you used to revert an entire revision?
2008-01-13 09:09 < Weaselosaurus> with possibly the most disturbing evil stock cackle in the history of film
2008-01-13 09:09 < bishonen> Weaselosaurus: you obviously haven't met Bishzilla
2008-01-13 09:09 < Weaselosaurus> Obviously.
2008-01-13 09:10 < geniice> jemfinch no
2008-01-13 09:10 < bishonen> obviously, since you're all in one piece, too.
2008-01-13 09:11 < Weaselosaurus> Geographic conditions must be taken into account.
2008-01-13 09:11 < bishonen> and being good at Not Being Seen?
2008-01-13 09:12 < Weaselosaurus> That too.
2008-01-13 09:13 < Weaselosaurus> brb
2008-01-13 09:17 < White_Cat> [AGK]
2008-01-13 09:17 < White_Cat> you foll;owing that rollback issue?
2008-01-13 09:23 < [AGK]> hey White_Cat
2008-01-13 09:23 < [AGK]> yes I am :)
2008-01-13 09:24 < [AGK]> I was about to open the Waterboarding RfArb, and it caught my eye :)
2008-01-13 09:24 < Drunken_Idiot> Fabexplosive: hugs
2008-01-13 09:24 < White_Cat> [AGK] okay
2008-01-13 09:24 < White_Cat> then you can help me out
2008-01-13 09:24 * Drunken_Idiot hugs White_Cat
2008-01-13 09:24 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Rollback_for_users
2008-01-13 09:24 < White_Cat> I am trying to list all views on the matter
2008-01-13 09:24 * [AGK] wonders why there are two people who made a statement consisting of the word "frivilous"
2008-01-13 09:25 < [AGK]> hmm...
2008-01-13 09:25 * [AGK] goes to read
2008-01-13 09:26 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-01-13 09:26 < Fabexplosive> hey Drunken_Idiot
2008-01-13 09:26 < Drunken_Idiot> Fabexplosive: How are you my good man?
2008-01-13 09:30 < Fabexplosive> Drunken_Idiot: i'm busy today
2008-01-13 09:30 < Fabexplosive> and stressed
2008-01-13 09:30 < Drunken_Idiot> Welcome to my world of life and reality
2008-01-13 09:30 < Drunken_Idiot> :D
2008-01-13 09:39 < Dtobias> Calling things "frivilous" is so frivolous...
2008-01-13 09:43 < ImP0steR> http://www.qdb.us/60986
2008-01-13 09:43 < ImP0steR> pretty epic.
2008-01-13 09:48 < Fabexplosive> Drunken_Idiot: :)
2008-01-13 10:27 < NotACow> meep meep
2008-01-13 10:27 < Viele-baeren> hi
2008-01-13 10:27 < bumm13> hi
2008-01-13 10:37 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-13 10:52 < Dtobias> zoo
2008-01-13 10:53 < Crimedog> If I ran the zoo
2008-01-13 10:53 < arcimboldo_> I like this channel since the conversation here is much more intellectual than on your typical IRC.
2008-01-13 10:55 < White_Cat> arcimboldo_ well
2008-01-13 10:55 < White_Cat> its about sex
2008-01-13 10:55 < White_Cat> political scandal
2008-01-13 10:55 < White_Cat> sex
2008-01-13 10:55 < White_Cat> quantum physics
2008-01-13 10:55 < Crimedog> You forgot the drugs and rocknroll
2008-01-13 10:55 < White_Cat> sex
2008-01-13 10:55 < White_Cat> current event
2008-01-13 10:55 < White_Cat> sex
2008-01-13 10:56 < Dtobias> sextuplets
2008-01-13 10:56 < White_Cat> yea I suppose its more intellectual
2008-01-13 10:56 < White_Cat> unless Doc_glasgow talks of course
2008-01-13 10:56 < White_Cat> then it gets beyond intellectual
2008-01-13 10:57 < Dtobias> i cant even spel intalekshooal
2008-01-13 10:57 * Crimedog thinks of a maddenville version of the non admin rollback thing
2008-01-13 10:58 < Dtobias> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/No_joy_in_Maddenville%2C_a_parable
2008-01-13 10:59 < Dtobias> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/No_joy_in_Maddenville%2C_a_continuation
2008-01-13 10:59 < Crimedog> I know, I wrote the fisrt version :)
2008-01-13 11:00 < Dtobias> I wrote the continuation part.
2008-01-13 11:01 < Crimedog> It got deleted, restored, and edit warred
2008-01-13 11:01 < geniice> #wikipedia-avatar is kinda empty
2008-01-13 11:03 < Crimedog> What's the big deal about rollback anyway, It doesnt let you do an7thing you cant do by other means
2008-01-13 11:03 < NotACow> moo!
2008-01-13 11:04 < NotACow> Crimedog: it's an indicium of administratorship
2008-01-13 11:04 < NotACow> Crimedog: giving it out to nonadmins dilutes the value of adminship
2008-01-13 11:05 < Crimedog> I wouldn't say so, giving ordinary mortals the power to delete and block would do that
2008-01-13 11:06 < NotACow> Crimedog: you don't get it :)
2008-01-13 11:06 < NotACow> Crimedog: it's not about actual power. it's about trappings and appurtenances
2008-01-13 11:07 < Triona> it look almost 2 years to actually get it.
2008-01-13 11:07 < Crimedog> Are you saying that adminship is a "big deal"?
2008-01-13 11:07 < NotACow> Crimedog: of course it's a big deal.
2008-01-13 11:07 < geniice> Crimedog you can rollback say 50 edits by a user in under 30 seconds
2008-01-13 11:07 < Crimedog> Ive tried to argue that
2008-01-13 11:07 < Triona> all that time we were arguing about something that [[WP:TW]] and other tools let you do already.
2008-01-13 11:08 < Triona> geniice: I already could rollback 50 edits by a user in under 30 seconds. :P
2008-01-13 11:08 < White_Cat> adminship is a big deal if you make it a big deal
2008-01-13 11:08 < geniice> Triona I doubt it
2008-01-13 11:08 < Triona> the devs would probably try to shoot me, but I could do it.
2008-01-13 11:08 < Triona> 10 at a time with a tool, not waiting for pageloads
2008-01-13 11:09 < Triona> I'd have 50 windows open at the end, but, doable
2008-01-13 11:09 < Triona> at least on a fast connection
2008-01-13 11:09 < NotACow> Crimedog: "Adminship is no big deal" is one of the big lies at wikipedia
2008-01-13 11:09 < Crimedog> Funny, I tried to argue that on wikien
2008-01-13 11:10 < NotACow> Crimedog: actually saying that adminship is a big deal is heresy
2008-01-13 11:11 < Crimedog> those why "vote" in RFA thinks it's a big deal
2008-01-13 11:11 < Triona> hmm... name sounds familiar...
2008-01-13 11:11 < Triona> nanae?
2008-01-13 11:11 < NotACow> Crimedog: it's the victory endpoint in the Wikipedia MMORPG
2008-01-13 11:11 < Crimedog> nanae, havent heard that in a while
2008-01-13 11:13 < Crimedog> I considered registering "Supertroll" as a doppelganger account but knew that would go over very well
2008-01-13 11:13 < White_Cat> geniice is it posible to get the second an edit was made?
2008-01-13 11:13 < White_Cat> I see hour and minute
2008-01-13 11:14 < Triona> Kids these days don't know how to troll.
2008-01-13 11:15 < White_Cat> Triona what makes you the expert?
2008-01-13 11:15 < Triona> Used to, trolls were actually sometimes funny.
2008-01-13 11:15 < Triona> Now, they are purely disruptive.
2008-01-13 11:16 < White_Cat> trolls had always been a pure disruption
2008-01-13 11:16 < NotACow> hm.
2008-01-13 11:16 < Crimedog> Triona: You are the only wikipedian save David Gerard why figured out I was the nanae Ron Ritzman
2008-01-13 11:16 * NotACow considers making this table that norm jus made out of cedar and using it outdoors
2008-01-13 11:16 < NotACow> Triona: wikipedia is terribly easy to troll.
2008-01-13 11:16 < NotACow> Triona: it's so easy that it gets boring quickly.
2008-01-13 11:17 < Triona> *nods*
2008-01-13 11:18 < Triona> I was making reference to some long forgotten usenet trolling actually.
2008-01-13 11:18 < noclip> have a look at this: http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3628/parkingjd3.png
2008-01-13 11:18 < noclip> i kind of didn't want to pay it just to see what would happen
2008-01-13 11:19 < noclip> would they spend thousands in legal fees to get their $1 back?
2008-01-13 11:19 < Crimedog> Here's how the whole nanae thing got started
2008-01-13 11:19 < Crimedog> http://tinyurl.com/2arc6a
2008-01-13 11:19 < White_Cat> noclip you can pay them 99 cents
2008-01-13 11:19 < White_Cat> and hold on to that 1 penny
2008-01-13 11:20 < White_Cat> that paper probably worths more than a dollar
2008-01-13 11:20 < White_Cat> the mailing costs
2008-01-13 11:20 < White_Cat> the envalop
2008-01-13 11:20 < White_Cat> the ink
2008-01-13 11:20 < White_Cat> the paper itself
2008-01-13 11:20 < noclip> i already paid it long ago
2008-01-13 11:20 < noclip> but in retrospect, i should have waited for them to call a collections agency
2008-01-13 11:20 < White_Cat> did you ask them if they are insane?
2008-01-13 11:21 < Inke> ...It sucks having such a common screenname.
2008-01-13 11:21 < White_Cat> The sanity of the ballston public parking garage has been fauled.
2008-01-13 11:22 < White_Cat> Inke I hadnt seen anyone suckling
2008-01-13 11:22 < Inke> XD "ink" is in my highlights list.
2008-01-13 11:22 < noclip> if i had waited for the collections agency, i could have set up a "payment plan"
2008-01-13 11:22 < Inke> As you might imagine, it can become a bit of a pain.
2008-01-13 11:22 < Triona> *laughs* erols
2008-01-13 11:22 < noclip> i'd pay one penny every month
2008-01-13 11:22 < Triona> god help any spammer caught there back then
2008-01-13 11:23 < NotACow> does your yink drink pink ink?
2008-01-13 11:23 * Triona has given up on spamfighting, and now fights vandals
2008-01-13 11:24 < noclip> spam is like a zombie horde
2008-01-13 11:24 < noclip> you can keep it back, but eventually it will overrun you
2008-01-13 11:24 < NotACow> embrace the spam
2008-01-13 11:24 < geniice> no
2008-01-13 11:25 < geniice> I've already got a degree
2008-01-13 11:25 < Crimedog> I still don't like spam but some people on nanae were too obsessed about it
2008-01-13 11:25 < Inke> NotACow - har, it only trips if the word is on it's own, not when it's part of another word. XD
2008-01-13 11:25 < Triona> *laughs*
2008-01-13 11:25 < NotACow> Crimedog: i wonder how many of them moved on to wikipedia and became obsessed about minutiae there
2008-01-13 11:25 < Triona> And didn't take much to get them going.
2008-01-13 11:25 < Triona> NotACow: quite a few, I'm sure.
2008-01-13 11:26 < NotACow> Inke: "its". apostrophe abusers will be shot.
2008-01-13 11:26 < Crimedog> And there's still plenty of places on WP that are free of trolling/drama/vandalism etc.
2008-01-13 11:26 < NotACow> i want high-salt bacon
2008-01-13 11:26 < Inke> ...I've been up all night so tough nuts. >:[
2008-01-13 11:27 < geniice> NotACow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Large_Pork_Scratching.png
2008-01-13 11:27 < NotACow> Crimedog: shh, don't mention that, someone will find out and send drama invaders
2008-01-13 11:27 < Crimedog> Or "clowns"
2008-01-13 11:28 < Triona> The bad part, is the drama queens here run in packs.
2008-01-13 11:28 < NotACow> Triona: and they're in charge.
2008-01-13 11:28 < NotACow> i would know, being one of the biggest drama queens around :)
2008-01-13 11:29 < Crimedog> and just the opposite is true, some critics of certyain policies are shushed by accusations of "drama queenism"
2008-01-13 11:29 < Dtobias> "Large pork scratching" brings to mind Porky Pig getting a serious itch.
2008-01-13 11:30 < NotACow> Crimedog: unauthorized drama queens
2008-01-13 11:30 < Dtobias> "Stirring up drama" is considered the biggest evil on Wikipedia... except when the inside clique does it.
2008-01-13 11:30 < Triona> For some reason, I'm still trying to defend the wiki as an encyclopedia.
2008-01-13 11:30 < Crimedog> "Our policy is good for the pedia, oppose it and you are just making drama"
2008-01-13 11:30 < Dtobias> It takes (at least) two to make drama.
2008-01-13 11:31 < Crimedog> Dan: Looks like Doc is getting a taste of what you went through with the whole badtowns thing
2008-01-13 11:31 < White_Cat> well
2008-01-13 11:32 < White_Cat> there are many of us who is accused of drama
2008-01-13 11:32 < geniice> a classic case of writeing an article long enough to fit the pictures in
2008-01-13 11:32 < Dtobias> That sort of drama plays itself out all the time... some group pushes through a policy change without consensus, then accuses anybody who objects of stirring up drama, and eventually of beating dead horses.
2008-01-13 11:32 < White_Cat> Dtobias oh come on
2008-01-13 11:32 < geniice> should [[Coombe Hill Canal]] be included in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:River_Severn
2008-01-13 11:33 < White_Cat> nowadays people act as if they made the change
2008-01-13 11:33 < White_Cat> and act in this imaginary world of theirs
2008-01-13 11:33 < White_Cat> and mass blank articles and no one is out there to complain
2008-01-13 11:33 < White_Cat> those of us who do well
2008-01-13 11:33 < White_Cat> we are merely creating drama
2008-01-13 11:33 < White_Cat> it isnt even a remote rational possibility that there may be an actual problem
2008-01-13 11:33 < Crimedog> I see that in real life too, unpopular changes are defended as "it was always suppose to be that way"
2008-01-13 11:34 < White_Cat> unopular changes?
2008-01-13 11:34 < White_Cat> Like the abolishment of slavery?
2008-01-13 11:34 < Crimedog> that way people who make decisions can claim that they really didnt make a decision
2008-01-13 11:34 < White_Cat> boy that stirred up a war
2008-01-13 11:34 * NotACow is watching industrial wood porn
2008-01-13 11:35 < Formentar> NotACow: Which means you're getting wood on an industrial scale?
2008-01-13 11:35 < NotACow> Formentar: it's actally a show about industrial bowl turning
2008-01-13 11:35 < Formentar> NotACow: Oooh. Sounds... informative.
2008-01-13 11:36 < NotACow> Formentar: you have to be a woodturner to appreciate it, i suspect :)
2008-01-13 11:36 < Formentar> White_Cat: But was it an edit war? :-)
2008-01-13 11:36 * NotACow has been resisting the urge to turn something for about two weeks
2008-01-13 11:36 < Formentar> NotACow: That, or worse.
2008-01-13 11:36 < White_Cat> Some people edit war over it, yes
2008-01-13 11:36 < Dtobias> What does [[Tina Turner]] turn?
2008-01-13 11:36 < White_Cat> I know better
2008-01-13 11:36 < White_Cat> I merely watch thousands of articles get blanked
2008-01-13 11:36 < Crimedog> I was thinking of things more local like a policy change at a local extended stay hotel where those kicked out lose any money already payed. They said "it was always soppose to be that way"
2008-01-13 11:37 < Formentar> Dtobias: older?
2008-01-13 11:38 < Formentar> Dtobias: And then there's http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tina_Th%C3%B6rner
2008-01-13 11:41 < Dtobias> Have you noticed that the communicators in Star Trek (The Original Series) look a lot like cell phones... they even flip open like many of them.
2008-01-13 11:41 < NotACow> Dtobias: you have to wonder how much the communicator inspired the flip phone
2008-01-13 11:41 < Crimedog> Funny, Shatner made the same observation on the history channe;l
2008-01-13 11:42 < Crimedog> I never liked the "com badge" from TNG, too unbelievable
2008-01-13 11:43 < Formentar> There's a thin line between futuristic and cheesy sci-fi-ish design. :-)
2008-01-13 11:43 < Crimedog> The wrist communicator introduced in the fist movie was a more believable advancement
2008-01-13 11:43 < Formentar> Hehe. Fist movie. Hehe.
2008-01-13 11:44 * Formentar shuts up and goes back to drinking.
2008-01-13 11:45 < Triona> actually, by this point, I'd say it's believeable
2008-01-13 11:46 < Triona> the way technology has shrinked
2008-01-13 11:46 < Triona> we have wristwatch cellphones now
2008-01-13 11:46 < Triona> there's at least one company that makes something like a combadge
2008-01-13 11:47 < Crimedog> but not "com badge" cellphones
2008-01-13 11:48 < mavhk> the thing about predicting the future is you'll get half the stuff way too simple, like communicators, they invented those in 40 years, didn't like 200, but half the stuff will be way too advanced, like spaceships
2008-01-13 11:49 < mavhk> basically anything that doesn't require vast amounts of power will be invented sooner than you imagine
2008-01-13 11:49 < mavhk> unless it involves acting like a human, then it'll take slightly longer
2008-01-13 11:49 < NotACow> mavhk: or solving NP-complete problems
2008-01-13 11:50 < mavhk> yeah, that takes, like, forever
2008-01-13 11:50 < White_Cat> actualy
2008-01-13 11:50 < White_Cat> star treks communicator is still fiction
2008-01-13 11:50 < NotACow> mavhk: yup
2008-01-13 11:50 < Crimedog> Powerfull spaceships I can see, magical fields to keep the crew from getting pasted to the back wall when the ship accelerates I dont
2008-01-13 11:50 < White_Cat> we lach the technology to make a mobile communication device like it
2008-01-13 11:50 < mavhk> which part of it is fiction?
2008-01-13 11:50 < Formentar> mavhk: And anything that requires violating relativity and other basic physics will not be invented at all. :-)
2008-01-13 11:50 < White_Cat> mavhk a cellphone has a very limited range
2008-01-13 11:50 < White_Cat> star trek communicator can reach orbit
2008-01-13 11:50 < NotACow> Crimedog: what, your car doesn't have an inertial compensator?
2008-01-13 11:50 < party> hi
2008-01-13 11:51 < White_Cat> even during a magnetic storm to a degree
2008-01-13 11:51 < mavhk> so can satellite phones
2008-01-13 11:51 < party> does wikipedia accepts articles about bloggers?
2008-01-13 11:51 < NotACow> White_Cat: uh, ever heard of iridium?
2008-01-13 11:51 < mavhk> Formentar: that's just pessimistic
2008-01-13 11:51 < NotACow> White_Cat: satellite cellular.
2008-01-13 11:51 < Crimedog> Fighter pilots would love that
2008-01-13 11:51 < Drunken_Idiot> Hi
2008-01-13 11:51 < White_Cat> NotACow yes
2008-01-13 11:51 < NotACow> White_Cat: works great, just didn't reach critical mass
2008-01-13 11:51 < White_Cat> with how many satelites?
2008-01-13 11:51 < mavhk> party: if they're notable
2008-01-13 11:51 < Drunken_Idiot> White_Cat: I LOVE YOU!
2008-01-13 11:51 < Drunken_Idiot> White_Cat: saved my butt the other day
2008-01-13 11:52 < White_Cat> I did?
2008-01-13 11:52 < party> mavhk [[Seen reading]]
2008-01-13 11:52 < Crimedog> Arent there some sat phone you can hold in your hand?
2008-01-13 11:52 < party> I'm thinking of CSD A7
2008-01-13 11:52 < White_Cat> iridium came close to star trek
2008-01-13 11:52 < White_Cat> but iridium is a failed company
2008-01-13 11:52 < Drunken_Idiot> NotACow: EllO
2008-01-13 11:52 < mavhk> the problem is when you're on the other side of the planet
2008-01-13 11:52 < White_Cat> yes
2008-01-13 11:53 < Crimedog> the iridium pew 36 explosive space modulator
2008-01-13 11:53 < mavhk> if the spaceship is right above you it's not really a problem
2008-01-13 11:53 < White_Cat> mavhk it cant be above you all the time
2008-01-13 11:53 < White_Cat> they always need to do something on the other side of the planet
2008-01-13 11:53 < mavhk> what if it's powered by plotonium?
2008-01-13 11:53 < White_Cat> kirk needs to make love
2008-01-13 11:53 < White_Cat> plutonium isnt a fuel
2008-01-13 11:53 < Phoenix-busy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Server-kitty.jpg
2008-01-13 11:53 < Crimedog> Well, the enterprise usually was in geosynch orbit
2008-01-13 11:53 < Phoenix-busy> Plutonion can be used as a fuel
2008-01-13 11:53 < mavhk> no, plotonium, the element that makes dramatic plots work
2008-01-13 11:54 < White_Cat> oh right
2008-01-13 11:54 < mavhk> plotonium causes spaceships to travel at the speed of plot
2008-01-13 11:54 < White_Cat> plot-onium
2008-01-13 11:54 * White_Cat plots a new course for mavhk
2008-01-13 11:54 < mavhk> it also breaks down and starts working again exactly as needed
2008-01-13 11:54 < Crimedog> and how hard would it be for an orbiting starship to deploy mini comsats around the planet if it werent
2008-01-13 11:54 < Phoenix-busy> LOLM XD
2008-01-13 11:55 < White_Cat> Crimedog very difficult
2008-01-13 11:55 < mavhk> Crimedog: depends if you have CGI
2008-01-13 11:55 * Drunken_Idiot plans to kill himself
2008-01-13 11:55 < White_Cat> inertia dampner was a very clever way of preventing crew from dying
2008-01-13 11:55 < White_Cat> actualy the concept of warp fields isnt that crazy
2008-01-13 11:55 < mavhk> that's also powered by plot
2008-01-13 11:55 < Formentar> Drunken_Idiot: Indeed=
2008-01-13 11:56 < White_Cat> you can move faster than light and yet stay still
2008-01-13 11:56 < l1unatic> all: I need a semester project in CSE, can anyone help?
2008-01-13 11:56 < Formentar> Drunken_Idiot: Err, that was supposed to be a ?, not a =
2008-01-13 11:56 < White_Cat> mavhk you know those moving grounds in airports?
2008-01-13 11:56 < White_Cat> JFK has one
2008-01-13 11:56 < White_Cat> well many
2008-01-13 11:56 < Formentar> Blöödy Svedish Keybård.
2008-01-13 11:57 < Crimedog> and is it possible for a future communication system that can penetrate thousands of miles of rock?
2008-01-13 11:57 < White_Cat> Crimedog oh yea
2008-01-13 11:57 < Formentar> Crimedog: Sure, but you wound't be able to pick up the signal. :-D
2008-01-13 11:57 < White_Cat> you cannot block electromagnetic waves with mere rock
2008-01-13 11:57 < White_Cat> you can dim it but cant destroy it
2008-01-13 11:57 < Drunken_Idiot> Formentar: Oky thanks
2008-01-13 11:58 < White_Cat> electromagnetic fields get very weak over distance and obsticles but they go to infinity
2008-01-13 11:58 < Formentar> White_Cat: Umm... yes, you can. That's why they're not transparent.
2008-01-13 11:58 < Crimedog> In "The Core" how did the surface communicate with the core ship"
2008-01-13 11:58 * Drunken_Idiot dances with his stick
2008-01-13 11:58 < bishonen> formentar, no, no. that would be: jävla svenska tangentbord.
2008-01-13 11:59 < White_Cat> Star Trek's engines seem to be following Alcubierre drive principle
2008-01-13 11:59 < l1unatic> all: I need a semester project in CSE, can anyone help?
2008-01-13 11:59 < placebo_effect> Dilithium Crystals
2008-01-13 12:00 < Formentar> bishonen: Nah, then I'd go for "satans jävla svenska tangentbordshelvete i röven" (though it might not fit)
2008-01-13 12:00 < bishonen> formentar, ah! very idiomatic!
2008-01-13 12:01 < bishonen> formentar, tangentbordshelvete is one of the commonest Swedish words.
2008-01-13 12:02 < bishonen> second only to skitdator
2008-01-13 12:03 < BlackDiamonds> How do I place the source of the image on an image page ?
2008-01-13 12:03 < BlackDiamonds> For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ApologetiX_-_Grace_Period.jpg
2008-01-13 12:03 < Dtobias> How come Vulcans can interbreed with humans? They're totally separate species, evolved on different planets, and have different anatomy (green blood, internal organs in different places, minds that work differently). It seems unlikely they'd be capable of producing offspring that could survive.
2008-01-13 12:03 < White_Cat> Oh I like the new error msg
2008-01-13 12:04 < Sfan00> Dtobias: Wasn't thier an Enteprise episode that dealt with that?
2008-01-13 12:04 < Dtobias> Maybe... I haven't seen all the episodes.
2008-01-13 12:04 < Sfan00> Any Americans in
2008-01-13 12:04 < Sfan00> ?
2008-01-13 12:04 < Sfan00> Especially car owning and driving ones
2008-01-13 12:04 < Sfan00> :)
2008-01-13 12:05 < Dtobias> I'm an American with a car... what do you need?
2008-01-13 12:05 < geniice> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Humor&action=history hmmp copyvio
2008-01-13 12:05 < Sfan00> Dtobias:http://billz1064.proboards1.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=General2&thread=1199973732&page=1
2008-01-13 12:05 < Sfan00> had someone ask about US traffic laws
2008-01-13 12:05 < Sfan00> Di try the -desk channel :)
2008-01-13 12:05 < Sfan00> *did
2008-01-13 12:07 < Formentar> bishonen: I'm surprised by the number of Google hits for the first of those beautiful words. The second is more in line with what I expected. But they both beat something as mundane as "återinträd"
2008-01-13 12:10 < bishonen> haha :-)
2008-01-13 12:12 < bishonen> how about "aterintrad"?
2008-01-13 12:15 < bishonen> pilotguy: indecisive!
2008-01-13 12:16 < Pilotguy> heh
2008-01-13 12:17 < Pilotguy> It always seems to be that the most updated version of this client crashes the most
2008-01-13 12:17 < bishonen> make up your mind already
2008-01-13 12:17 < bishonen> of course. it's a rule.
2008-01-13 12:17 < bishonen> similar to the rule about the last version of Word alwys being the worst.
2008-01-13 12:18 < Pilotguy> exactly!
2008-01-13 12:18 < Sfan00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#safety hmm
2008-01-13 12:18 < Sfan00> Is Wikipedia safe for kids?
2008-01-13 12:18 < bishonen> no
2008-01-13 12:18 < Sfan00> I thought it was only as safe as say Britanica was
2008-01-13 12:18 < bishonen> not censured
2008-01-13 12:18 < Sfan00> If that
2008-01-13 12:19 < Sfan00> The anon doesn't say what age of kids...
2008-01-13 12:19 < Xihix> Anyone wanna peer review?
2008-01-13 12:19 < bishonen> tell em it's not safe for anybody
2008-01-13 12:19 < bishonen> Sfan00: not safe for little old ladies
2008-01-13 12:19 < bishonen> such as myself
2008-01-13 12:20 < Sfan00> LOL
2008-01-13 12:20 < Sfan00> But seriously
2008-01-13 12:20 < bishonen> i mean it
2008-01-13 12:20 < Sfan00> Wikipedia doesn't have a minimum age
2008-01-13 12:20 < bishonen> it's not censured
2008-01-13 12:20 * kibble huggles bishonen
2008-01-13 12:21 < bishonen> Sfan00: wikipedia has several cretaceous monsters editing. Bishzilla, Bishapod...
2008-01-13 12:21 < bishonen> hi, kibble
2008-01-13 12:21 < kibble> :-)
2008-01-13 12:21 < Weaselosaurus> can I open xls files in Open Office?
2008-01-13 12:21 < bishonen> bishkibble...
2008-01-13 12:22 < bishonen> bishguy...
2008-01-13 12:22 < Triona> Weaselosaurus: normally, yeah
2008-01-13 12:22 < Weaselosaurus> okay
2008-01-13 12:23 < Sfan00> I was thinking of saying something along the lines of " Generally Wikipedia is not censored, whether wikipedia is safe for kids depends a lot on the context of the use it's put to, and the level of parentl supervsion. Clearly Wikipedia may not be suitable for some, but for others given appropriate supervison it can be a viable resource like any other encylopediac work. However, Wikipedia...
2008-01-13 12:23 < Sfan00> ...does contain some controversial topics , as well as those with which parental discretion is advised"
2008-01-13 12:23 < Pilotguy> Yes, I am quite embarrassed by this client atm
2008-01-13 12:23 < bishonen> aw
2008-01-13 12:24 < bishonen> sfan, or just tell 'em to look up [[cunt]]
2008-01-13 12:24 < Sfan00> Nah
2008-01-13 12:24 < Sfan00> I am not that irresponsible :)
2008-01-13 12:24 < Sfan00> I'm not brown_cat :)
2008-01-13 12:24 < Dtobias> I've barely looked at the whole Requests for Rollback debate because I find the issue no big deal either way... but it just keeps getting sillier and sillier.
2008-01-13 12:24 < Dtobias> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_rollback/Vote/Archive_1#Vandalism.3F
2008-01-13 12:25 < Dtobias> Now they're even having heated fights about whether to allow a LOLCAT parody image in the page about the issue.
2008-01-13 12:25 < bishonen> Bishzilla has rollback now.
2008-01-13 12:25 < Not_the_NSA> bishonen: and? O.o
2008-01-13 12:25 < bishonen> and Bishapod. what's your point? ;-P
2008-01-13 12:26 < Not_the_NSA> bishonen: so?
2008-01-13 12:26 < bishonen> so she doesn't need to waste so much radioactive breath on the little vandals.
2008-01-13 12:27 < bishonen> rollback doesn't curl their hair as much, though.
2008-01-13 12:31 < te> le sigh
2008-01-13 12:31 < Dtobias> Sighing in French?
2008-01-13 12:31 < te> lol
2008-01-13 12:31 < te> yes, i think it was the skunk on loony tunes, what was his name?
2008-01-13 12:32 < Dtobias> Pepe La Pew
2008-01-13 12:32 < te> haha yeah
2008-01-13 12:32 < te> i think the girl skunk he was always chasing would be like "le sigh, le pant"
2008-01-13 12:32 < te> but maybe i have that wrong
2008-01-13 12:33 < bishonen> Pilotguy_aw: aw!
2008-01-13 12:33 < te> oh here we go:
2008-01-13 12:33 < te> A common catch phrase used in the popular classic cartoon "Pepe Le Pew" of Looney Tunes. The cartoon would feature a skunk inevitably falling for a cat who always seemed to get a strip of white pants on her otherwise completely black body...giving said feline the appearance of a female skunk. Pepe would hop around (literally hopping) trying to woo the extremely hesitant (understatement) kitty.
2008-01-13 12:33 < Dtobias> Rather unsophisticated taste in women.
2008-01-13 12:33 < te> The phrase "le sigh" was often followed with a "le purr" in the series.
2008-01-13 12:33 < te> yeah for a french men he turned out to be just kind of a rapist
2008-01-13 12:34 < te> frenchman*
2008-01-13 12:34 < White_Cat> and I get pinged
2008-01-13 12:34 < Dtobias> White_Cat: Are you really a black cat who's been painted white?
2008-01-13 12:36 < Sfan00> te: :O
2008-01-13 12:36 < Dtobias> [[Le Chat Noir]]
2008-01-13 12:37 < Sfan00> I forgot this was #Wikipedia
2008-01-13 12:37 < Sfan00> :(
2008-01-13 12:37 < Dtobias> What channel did you think it was?
2008-01-13 12:37 < Dtobias> [[Playboy Channel]]
2008-01-13 12:37 < Dtobias> [[Disney Channel]]
2008-01-13 12:37 < Dtobias> [[Weather Channel]]
2008-01-13 12:38 < Sfan00> [[Channel No 5 ]] ;)
2008-01-13 12:38 < Dtobias> [[English Channel]]
2008-01-13 12:38 < Sfan00> It was meant to be an attempt at sarcasm
2008-01-13 12:38 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-01-13 12:39 < Dtobias> What's the difference between sarcasm and irony?
2008-01-13 12:39 < Texou> hey guys, on qwerty keyboard (grub), + is at the left of =? is shift necessary?
2008-01-13 12:40 < Sfan00> Btobias: Wikipedia has an article
2008-01-13 12:40 < Sfan00> :)
2008-01-13 12:40 < Dtobias> The + on the regular keyboard needs shift, but there's another + on the numeric keypad.
2008-01-13 12:40 < Texou> ok Dtobias thanks
2008-01-13 12:41 < Dtobias> +-*/ are all on the numeric pad with no shift needed (whether Num Lock is on or not)
2008-01-13 12:45 < Dtobias> This channel is boring... do we NEED MOAR DRAMA?
2008-01-13 12:49 < White_Cat> Dtobias if you want drama go to ed channel
2008-01-13 12:50 < Messedrocker> dramallamarama
2008-01-13 12:52 * Ceiling_Cat turns the volume up to 11
2008-01-13 12:52 < The359> dramaobama?
2008-01-13 12:52 < LOUD_CAT> NOT EMO ENOUGH
2008-01-13 12:53 < Xihix> So, who here would like to uhh
2008-01-13 12:53 < Xihix> PEER REVIEW!?
2008-01-13 12:54 * LOUD_CAT BACKS AWAY SLOWLY
2008-01-13 12:54 < NotACow> DEATH TO SLOWLY
2008-01-13 13:00 < Messedrocker> THAT SENTENCE IS A GRAMMATICAL ANOMALY
2008-01-13 13:00 < Messedrocker> HOW DO YOU WISH DEATH TO AN ADVERB
2008-01-13 13:00 < Messedrocker> ONLY NOUNS CAN DIE
2008-01-13 13:00 < LOUD_CAT> MESSEDROCKER - IF IT CAN BLEED, IT CAN DIE
2008-01-13 13:01 < Messedrocker> ONLY SOME NOUNS ARE CAPABLE OF BLEEDING
2008-01-13 13:01 < Messedrocker> MARK
2008-01-13 13:01 * The359 bleeds slowly
2008-01-13 13:01 < LOUD_CAT> --THE GOVERNATOR
2008-01-13 13:01 < Messedrocker> are you going to the Wikimedia NY meeting today?
2008-01-13 13:01 < The359> take that!
2008-01-13 13:01 < LOUD_CAT> Messedrocker - it doesn't look like I'm going to make it
2008-01-13 13:01 < Messedrocker> ;/
2008-01-13 13:01 < LOUD_CAT> NYC really is too far for me to do on a regular basis
2008-01-13 13:02 < LOUD_CAT> it's like 4 1/2 hours by car for me
2008-01-13 13:02 < Messedrocker> well you're from newARk aren't you?
2008-01-13 13:02 < LOUD_CAT> (3 to get to Penn Station, NJ, and 1 1/2 to get from there to the places we meet in NYC)
2008-01-13 13:02 < LOUD_CAT> Messedrocker - I actually live outside newark, but the general area yes
2008-01-13 13:02 < Messedrocker> well today we're meeting in the bronx
2008-01-13 13:03 < LOUD_CAT> If Amtrak were more reasonable, I would do that
2008-01-13 13:03 < Messedrocker> amtrak
2008-01-13 13:03 < LOUD_CAT> but Amtrak is ridiculous
2008-01-13 13:03 < Messedrocker> what a load of ass
2008-01-13 13:03 < Messedrocker> takes me 13 hours to get from Penn Station (NY) to Montreal
2008-01-13 13:03 < Messedrocker> train is really only effective for short distances that are too far by car
2008-01-13 13:04 < White_Cat> Amtrak is reasonable
2008-01-13 13:04 < Messedrocker> white cat have you ever traveled on it
2008-01-13 13:04 < White_Cat> yes
2008-01-13 13:04 < Messedrocker> from where to where
2008-01-13 13:04 < White_Cat> and I traveled for more for lesser distance elsewhere
2008-01-13 13:04 < Triona> I've traveled amtrak
2008-01-13 13:04 < White_Cat> lansingm michigan to detroit
2008-01-13 13:04 < Triona> sucks outside the northeast corridor
2008-01-13 13:04 < Messedrocker> i remember going back from montreal
2008-01-13 13:04 < White_Cat> or was it to chicago
2008-01-13 13:04 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - no, it's not. To go from Wilmingotn delaware to NYC and back would have cost me $150
2008-01-13 13:04 < Messedrocker> i spent a large amount of time playing super metroid
2008-01-13 13:04 < Ceiling_Cat> I can drive it for 1/3 that
2008-01-13 13:05 < White_Cat> probably to chicago
2008-01-13 13:05 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat yes
2008-01-13 13:05 < White_Cat> because gas is cheap in the US
2008-01-13 13:05 < White_Cat> over here its twice the price
2008-01-13 13:05 < Ceiling_Cat> "over here"?
2008-01-13 13:05 < Messedrocker> 13 hours by train takes me from New York to Montreal. 13 hours by plane takes me from Los Angeles to Taipei
2008-01-13 13:05 < White_Cat> in Turkey
2008-01-13 13:05 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - no, it's because Amtrak is ridiculously ineffecient
2008-01-13 13:05 < White_Cat> there is a 100%+ tax on gas
2008-01-13 13:05 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat sure it is
2008-01-13 13:05 < Ceiling_Cat> they had 85 vice presidents
2008-01-13 13:05 < White_Cat> but its cheeper than elsewhere
2008-01-13 13:06 < Messedrocker> moral of the story: take airplanes whenever you can
2008-01-13 13:06 < Ceiling_Cat> they laid off 55 of them with no discernible impact
2008-01-13 13:06 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat there are 50 states
2008-01-13 13:06 < White_Cat> and you need 2 vice presidents from each
2008-01-13 13:06 < Ceiling_Cat> Amtrak doesn't exist in most of them
2008-01-13 13:06 < White_Cat> I am suprised they dont have 100 of them
2008-01-13 13:06 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat yes but its democratic representation
2008-01-13 13:06 < White_Cat> wait that was the congress
2008-01-13 13:06 < White_Cat> my mind is swiss cheesed again O_o
2008-01-13 13:07 * Ceiling_Cat alleviates White_Cat's brain by washing it thoroughly
2008-01-13 13:08 < Messedrocker> you confused congress with the administration of amtrak?
2008-01-13 13:08 < Messedrocker> good lord
2008-01-13 13:09 < Messedrocker> anyways you're thinking of the senate
2008-01-13 13:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - no, that's not an unbeliable mistake
2008-01-13 13:09 < Messedrocker> each state sends two senators
2008-01-13 13:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Amtrak is a government chartered corporation
2008-01-13 13:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Congress *is* Amtrak's boss
2008-01-13 13:09 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles CableModem
2008-01-13 13:09 < Messedrocker> Ceiling_Cat, my belief of government-ran corporations is that they should be treated like actual businesses
2008-01-13 13:09 < Messedrocker> rather than government organizations
2008-01-13 13:09 < Messedrocker> they'd be more effective that way
2008-01-13 13:10 < Messedrocker> basically congress would have veto power
2008-01-13 13:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - Generally congress requires them to operate at a profit
2008-01-13 13:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Which is why Amtrak is so fucking expensive
2008-01-13 13:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Congress mandated a committee to study how to fix amtrack
2008-01-13 13:10 < Messedrocker> but look at the bureaucracy within Amtrak
2008-01-13 13:10 < Messedrocker> is it government-style or is it corporate-style?
2008-01-13 13:10 < Ceiling_Cat> their final recommendation: break it up and privitize it
2008-01-13 13:10 < Ceiling_Cat> privatize*
2008-01-13 13:11 * Ceiling_Cat smashes amtrak into a million little pieces
2008-01-13 13:11 < Messedrocker> i'm still waiting for TGV trains in the US
2008-01-13 13:11 < Messedrocker> trains grande vitesse
2008-01-13 13:11 < Messedrocker> or better yet, maglevs
2008-01-13 13:11 < Sfan00> LOL
2008-01-13 13:11 < Sfan00> TGV will nver happen in america
2008-01-13 13:11 < Messedrocker> why not?
2008-01-13 13:11 < Sfan00> Until the oil companies choke :
2008-01-13 13:11 < Sfan00> Vested interest in not having affordable mass transit
2008-01-13 13:11 < LOUD_CAT> Amtrak would benefit if airline and road subsidies were ended
2008-01-13 13:12 < Messedrocker> i want to be a teddy roosevelt-kinda president
2008-01-13 13:12 < Messedrocker> except i want to strangle oil companies into submission
2008-01-13 13:12 < Sfan00> Then you wouldn't have been elected
2008-01-13 13:12 < Messedrocker> Sfan00, it would be my hidden agenda
2008-01-13 13:12 < Sfan00> Communist! ;)
2008-01-13 13:12 < The359> w00t
2008-01-13 13:12 < LOUD_CAT> Sfan00 - generally public transport in the US is hard to do because most Europeans don't really understand how big the US is, and how spread out the population is
2008-01-13 13:12 < The359> found some Creative Commons pictures on Flickr from the Autosport Motor Show
2008-01-13 13:12 < Messedrocker> Don't you know anything about running as a candidate? You keep controversial agendas secret and campaign gold public.
2008-01-13 13:13 < Sfan00> As well as what exactly you did with the Prom Queen on the Homecoming ;)
2008-01-13 13:14 < Messedrocker> my school doesn't have a homecoming
2008-01-13 13:14 < Sfan00> Joke :)
2008-01-13 13:14 < geniice> LOUD_CAT for the most part though people don't transit from the west to east coast that often
2008-01-13 13:15 < Messedrocker> there is mass transit across europe, isn't there?
2008-01-13 13:15 < Messedrocker> europe's about as large as the US
2008-01-13 13:15 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles CableModem
2008-01-13 13:16 < Sfan00> NO
2008-01-13 13:16 < Sfan00> Europe is smaller
2008-01-13 13:16 < Sfan00> And denser
2008-01-13 13:16 < Messedrocker> i know it's smaller
2008-01-13 13:16 < Sfan00> population wise
2008-01-13 13:16 < Messedrocker> i meant in land area
2008-01-13 13:16 < Messedrocker> the two are roughly the same size, though europe's a bit smaller
2008-01-13 13:17 < LOUD_CAT> Just wait until the US absorbs canada
2008-01-13 13:17 < LOUD_CAT> then we'll clearly be the largest
2008-01-13 13:17 < Sfan00> LOUD_CAT: Canada has Oil?