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2008-01-12 08:52 < mavhk> or notice that almost everything on tv is rubbish, so there's no point having one
2008-01-12 08:52 * thedjatclubrock needs one for his parents house
2008-01-12 08:52 * thedjatclubrock almost never watches TV
2008-01-12 08:56 < Flominator> hi there
2008-01-12 08:56 < Flominator> anyone wanna tell me about the origin of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe1328ujabb.jpg ?
2008-01-12 08:58 < Aqwis> hmz
2008-01-12 08:58 < Aqwis> deleted as copyvio
2008-01-12 08:58 < Aqwis> not very useful either, can't read the text
2008-01-12 08:59 < Flominator> any admins around?
2008-01-12 08:59 < wimt> The source is given as a WP version of the same image that was deleted as a copyvio
2008-01-12 08:59 < Flominator> should I delete it?
2008-01-12 08:59 < wimt> The original source on the WP version was Source: [http://www.historyonmaps.com/ Historical maps]
2008-01-12 09:00 < wimt> It certainly looks a bit dodgy
2008-01-12 09:00 < wimt> Actually the original version said "Copyright©2004 Andras Bereznay" so it almost certainly is a copyvio
2008-01-12 09:01 < Flominator> maybe based on http://www.historyonmaps.com/ColourSamples/World1300.html ?
2008-01-12 09:02 < Aqwis> http://www.historyonmaps.com/ColourSamples/Europe1180.htm
2008-01-12 09:02 < Aqwis> probably the equivalent of that map for 1328
2008-01-12 09:02 < wimt> Yeah: http://www.historyonmaps.com/ColourSamples/Europe1328.html
2008-01-12 09:02 < Aqwis> mmm
2008-01-12 09:03 < Aqwis> kill kill kill!
2008-01-12 09:03 < Flominator> does the uploader name of the original indicate, that it was the webmaster himself?
2008-01-12 09:04 < wimt> Uploader was User:Ldingley - no indication they are the webmaster, and no OTRS ticket. They claimed in was copyrighted but can be used for any purpose, but I don't see any evidence
2008-01-12 09:04 < Flominator> ok
2008-01-12 09:04 < Flominator> picture will be deleted in 7 days, i will email the author
2008-01-12 09:04 < Flominator> thx wimt
2008-01-12 09:04 < Flominator> and Aqwis
2008-01-12 09:04 < wimt> You're welcome :-)
2008-01-12 09:04 < zocky> why, every time I find a radio with decent 80s music, they inevitable play roxette after a while?
2008-01-12 09:05 < MidnightCommando> because Roxette is decent 80s music :p
2008-01-12 09:08 < mavhk> because you're not using pandora radio
2008-01-12 09:10 < zocky> MidnightCommando, oh, my bad. i wasn't aware that "decent" is the new slang for "crap"
2008-01-12 09:18 < MidnightCommando> zocky: oh pardon my ignorance, I wasn't aware that people from zocky-land lacked taste
2008-01-12 09:57 * brown_cat goes into MidnightCommando's basement
2008-01-12 09:57 * brown_cat attempts to build a particle accelerator in MidnightCommando's basement
2008-01-12 09:57 < moorrisny> Hallo
2008-01-12 09:58 < brown_cat> please don't talk :)
2008-01-12 09:58 < moorrisny> please dont fart
2008-01-12 09:59 < brown_cat> outch
2008-01-12 09:59 < brown_cat> the logic of a 4 year old
2008-01-12 10:13 < smallfoot-> im not banned
2008-01-12 10:13 < smallfoot-> sweet
2008-01-12 10:14 < JohnReaves> We can change that <_<
2008-01-12 10:15 < smallfoot-> please no
2008-01-12 10:15 < smallfoot-> all i did was exercise my right of freespeech as a dissident to point out that slimvirgin is a corrupt admin who have abused her powers constantly and ruthlessly to the dismay of wikipedia
2008-01-12 10:16 < JohnReaves> Don't start that
2008-01-12 10:18 < smallfoot-> okie
2008-01-12 10:18 < smallfoot-> </freespeech>
2008-01-12 10:20 < smallfoot-> cut out my eyes, cut out my tounge, seal my lips with, chop off my fingers, lock me up, throw away the key
2008-01-12 10:21 < smallfoot-> i wont speak
2008-01-12 10:21 < smallfoot-> See no evil. Hear no evil.
2008-01-12 10:21 < NotASpy> there's no such thing as free speech on Wikipedia.
2008-01-12 10:21 < smallfoot-> see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil
2008-01-12 10:22 < smallfoot-> yeah, so much for the "free" encyclopedia, next it will probably be ads all over the site, and censorship and pov by junta
2008-01-12 10:22 < NotASpy> the most you get is the ability to speak as long as you remain polite, civil, cordial and courteous and only then, as long as you're not causing drama.
2008-01-12 10:22 < smallfoot-> Always follow the principle of NPOV, unless it contradicts with the opinion of the Cabal.
2008-01-12 10:23 < NotASpy> you do realise that the slogan "The Free Encyclopedia" refers to the actual content, i.e it can be used for whatever purpose without charge (free gratis and free libre) - nothing to do with contributors rights to go around saying what they like.
2008-01-12 10:24 < smallfoot-> Free, then why is it GFDL/CC and not public domain?
2008-01-12 10:24 < Aqwis> you do realize he's a troll :|
2008-01-12 10:25 < JohnReaves> err, didn't realize my script did that
2008-01-12 10:25 < JohnReaves> worked out anyway I guess
2008-01-12 10:30 < Dtobias> Wouldn't want anybody to be going around thinking they can actually speak freely and cause drama or anything... unless they're on the side of the Clique.
2008-01-12 10:31 < gurch> ...
2008-01-12 10:31 < gurch> but I'm on nobody's side
2008-01-12 10:31 < gurch> and I can do both of those things
2008-01-12 10:31 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles gurch
2008-01-12 10:31 * gurch huggles Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-12 10:32 < JohnReaves> yes let's allow as much drama creation as possible
2008-01-12 10:33 < Ceiling_Cat> JohnReaves - NOT EMO ENOUGH
2008-01-12 10:33 < JohnReaves> :( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(
2008-01-12 10:33 < Ceiling_Cat> BE MORE EMO
2008-01-12 10:33 * Ceiling_Cat hands him black eye-liner, nail-polish, glasses, and a razor
2008-01-12 10:34 * JohnReaves adjusts hair accordingly
2008-01-12 10:36 < gurch> [[Wikipedia:Requests for drama]]
2008-01-12 10:37 * Ceiling_Cat needs drama to
2008-01-12 10:37 < Ceiling_Cat> doh
2008-01-12 10:37 * Ceiling_Cat needs drama to watch
2008-01-12 10:38 < gurch> pick an administrator permission and propose it be given to normal users
2008-01-12 10:38 < TheLand> Gurch: Flogging
2008-01-12 10:38 < gurch> wait for people to argue about it and get nowhere, then have a developer implement it anyway
2008-01-12 10:38 < gurch> that usually works.
2008-01-12 10:39 < lucasbfr> hehe
2008-01-12 10:39 < lucasbfr> gurch: I'm gonna request anon page creation :P
2008-01-12 10:39 < lucasbfr> and count the deads
2008-01-12 10:39 < gurch> if you do that, you must tell me a week in advance
2008-01-12 10:39 < gurch> so I can request adminship again
2008-01-12 10:40 < lucasbfr> trying to slip through, heh?
2008-01-12 10:41 < gurch> ...
2008-01-12 10:41 < gurch> no, just the rest of you are too damn lazy to deal with the deletion backlog it would cause
2008-01-12 10:42 < lucasbfr> bah, we'll implement a deletion bot :p
2008-01-12 10:43 < lucasbfr> (I mean, an other one)
2008-01-12 10:45 * Ceiling_Cat is scheduling main page featured articles
2008-01-12 11:11 < Ceiling_Cat> Too quiet in here
2008-01-12 11:13 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-12 11:14 * LOUD_CAT TURNS UP THE VOLUME
2008-01-12 11:20 < Phoenix-busy> LOL!
2008-01-12 11:20 < Phoenix-busy> In an article dealing with the ancient Roman poet, Catullus, I was compelled to read the following line within the popular culture section : ' According to the webcomic, Achewood, Catullus is the first poet who ever got his bone on. ' — Alas, my mind is now irrevocably fraught with useless and undesirable knowledge.
2008-01-12 11:20 < Phoenix-busy> XD
2008-01-12 11:22 < mavhk> this article suffers from recentism
2008-01-12 11:24 < gwern> Phoenix-busy: you will soon forget
2008-01-12 11:24 < Phoenix-busy> I will, but he's the one worried
2008-01-12 11:24 * Phoenix-busy didn't write that
2008-01-12 11:25 < mavhk> you'll forget the name, but remember that one was first
2008-01-12 11:25 < Phoenix-busy> It was on the village pump
2008-01-12 11:25 < Phoenix-busy> exactly#
2008-01-12 11:42 * Rinn gasps
2008-01-12 11:42 < Rinn> A competent seeder showed up!
2008-01-12 11:42 < NotACow> seeder?
2008-01-12 11:42 < Rinn> I'm going over 10KB/s for the first time in three days!
2008-01-12 11:42 < NotACow> oh
2008-01-12 11:43 < Rinn> ...And now the competent seeder is gone.
2008-01-12 11:43 * Rinn sobs
2008-01-12 11:43 < Rinn> No, wait! They're back again!
2008-01-12 11:43 < NotACow> hah
2008-01-12 11:43 < NotACow> are you on comcast?
2008-01-12 11:43 < Rinn> No.
2008-01-12 11:44 < Rinn> It's only had one or two seeders giving about 2KB/s at best (usually < 1KB/s) to me and a few other peers for a few days.
2008-01-12 11:45 < Rinn> And there they go again.
2008-01-12 11:48 * NotACow whacks Messedrocker
2008-01-12 11:49 < Rinn> They aren't coming baaaaack. :(
2008-01-12 11:49 * Ceiling_Cat watches
2008-01-12 11:49 * Messedrocker dies
2008-01-12 11:49 * LOUD_CAT CUDDLES THE BODY
2008-01-12 11:49 * Drunken_Idiot plays with all the cats in this channel
2008-01-12 11:59 < Drunken_Idiot> Aqwis3: You're on wi-fi or a dsl which dies from lagging and stuff ?
2008-01-12 11:59 < Aqwis3> i am on Wifi, but that's not the problem
2008-01-12 11:59 < Aqwis3> the problem is that my ISP sucks
2008-01-12 11:59 < Aqwis3> simple as that.
2008-01-12 12:00 < Drunken_Idiot> Aqwis3: My personal wi-fi gives me issues. :(
2008-01-12 12:00 < Aqwis3> i used to have some issues with wifi so i bought a new router
2008-01-12 12:00 < Aqwis3> and now it works fine
2008-01-12 12:01 < Drunken_Idiot> My access point is ok, problem is the electricity
2008-01-12 12:02 < NotACow> buy a battery
2008-01-12 12:02 < Drunken_Idiot> NotACow: I have UPS
2008-01-12 12:03 < Drunken_Idiot> wb Cometstyles dude.
2008-01-12 12:04 < Cometstyles> 'lo
2008-01-12 12:09 < Suva> OMG wikipedia is down!
2008-01-12 12:11 < Drunken_Idiot> Suva: Thats an everyday thing good sir.
2008-01-12 12:12 < Suva> Drunken_Idiot: Actually it's not down, I am just trolling
2008-01-12 12:12 < party> hi
2008-01-12 12:17 < ^demon> Ok. I need some clarification from someone who's been following the rollback thing. Why does it matter again?
2008-01-12 12:17 < Mike2> http://www.pattayadailynews.com/shownews.php?IDNEWS=0000004780
2008-01-12 12:18 < Drunken_Idiot> Mike2: hugs
2008-01-12 12:19 < ^demon> That's what I thought.
2008-01-12 12:19 < ^demon> It doesn't.
2008-01-12 12:21 < Mike2> Last year, because of the draught, they were unable to grow rice. Then, one day, when her hen woke her up at 5am, she discovered a frog standing nearby with a chick in its mouth. Mrs. Tongsai looked into the frog’s eyes and felt an instant connection. She knew she could commune with the frog. She told the frog, in no uncertain terms, perhaps as Moses had told the pharaoh, to let the chick go; and it complied immediately. Ever since, Mrs. Tongsai h
2008-01-12 12:22 < Mike2> In fact, with the frog’s help, they were able to successfully pick the two-three winning numbers, in ten consecutive lotteries. Eventually, Mrs. Tongsai became overwhelmed with the large number of people who kept coming to ask for lucky numbers and had to leave her village.
2008-01-12 12:22 < Mike2> Mrs. Tongsai is looking forward to returning to Roi-et with Nong Oui to reunite with her husband as soon as things quiet down at home.
2008-01-12 12:23 < Bungle> hmm.. am I of the correct assumption i'll have to request an admin to auto generate necessary categories for a new wikiproject assessment?
2008-01-12 12:23 < Bungle> to save doing it manually :p
2008-01-12 12:23 < ^demon> Bungle: A bot could do it.
2008-01-12 12:24 < Bungle> I am looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Generate_categories at the moment, so you're saying there is an alternative?
2008-01-12 12:24 < ^demon> Oh, I didn't know the 1.0 team still existed.
2008-01-12 12:25 < Bungle> bring me up to date with what you're referencing? :p
2008-01-12 12:25 < Pilotguy_aw> DEATH TO BOTS
2008-01-12 12:26 < ^demon> I wasn't aware there was a formalized structure to the assessments.
2008-01-12 12:26 < ^demon> Not as though assessments are worth a crap...after you've seen people assessing multiple articles per minute...you kinda lose faith that the assessors even read them.
2008-01-12 12:27 < Bungle> well, if done properly, it is a useful means of tracking what needs work doing
2008-01-12 12:27 < Bungle> I just wanted to workaround being lazy :o
2008-01-12 12:34 < party> my isp was gay the last days
2008-01-12 12:34 < ^demon> AOL tends to be that way.
2008-01-12 12:34 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.newsweek.com/id/91651
2008-01-12 12:35 < Ceiling_Cat> Most significant of all, the new partnership deal with Iraq, including a status of forces agreement that would then replace the existing Security Council mandate authorizing the presence of the U.S.-led multinational forces in Iraq, will become a sworn obligation for the next president.
2008-01-12 12:35 < Ceiling_Cat> The president said nothing about that on Saturday, but Lute said last fall that the Iraqi agreement would not likely rise to the level of a formal treaty requiring Senate ratification. Even so, it would be difficult if not impossible for future presidents to unilaterally breach such a pact.
2008-01-12 12:35 < Ceiling_Cat> Bush finds another way to sidestep the constition. News at 11
2008-01-12 12:35 < ^demon> He also promised a middle east peace treaty by the end of his term.
2008-01-12 12:35 * Ceiling_Cat hopes whoever the next president is repudiates the agreement on day 1
2008-01-12 12:36 < Ceiling_Cat> ^demon - the difference here is that this is entirely likely to happen
2008-01-12 12:36 < ^demon> Seeing as the past several presidents all worked on it as well (and didn't succeed), I doubt he can manage it in the next year.
2008-01-12 12:36 < party> ^demon mine had lots of timeouts
2008-01-12 12:37 < Ceiling_Cat> ^demon - He thinks he can solve a 50 year dispute in his last lame-duck year as president. I think he's fallen off the wagon and is back on the sauce, myself
2008-01-12 12:37 < ^demon> Agreed.
2008-01-12 12:37 * Drunken_Idiot slaps himself
2008-01-12 12:37 < ^demon> Drunken_Idiot: Well, that's what happens when you're drunk.
2008-01-12 12:37 < Drunken_Idiot> ^demon: I am breaking up with my lady.
2008-01-12 12:37 < party> i can't vote, but i'm a US citzen
2008-01-12 12:38 < party> and i got a double citzenship
2008-01-12 12:38 < ^demon> Drunken_Idiot: Unsure how to respond to that. Sympathy? Excitement for you?
2008-01-12 12:38 < Drunken_Idiot> ^demon: Sympathy.
2008-01-12 12:39 < ^demon> Then I'm sorry. :(
2008-01-12 12:39 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Drunken_Idiot, steals his innocence
2008-01-12 12:39 < ^demon> oh dear lord...
2008-01-12 12:42 < Weaselosaurus> hm
2008-01-12 12:45 * ^demon cries
2008-01-12 12:45 < ^demon> I'm out of trailmix :(
2008-01-12 12:45 < Drunken_Idiot> :(
2008-01-12 12:57 < ^demon> !admin
2008-01-12 12:57 < Cometstyles> O_O
2008-01-12 12:57 < Cometstyles> try #wikipedia-en ;p
2008-01-12 12:57 < NotASpy> no, you need a 'crat, not an admin ;-)
2008-01-12 12:57 < ^demon> No, I need an admin.
2008-01-12 12:57 < Cometstyles> !crap
2008-01-12 12:57 < ^demon> I am not an admin.
2008-01-12 12:57 < Cometstyles> ahh !crat :P
2008-01-12 13:05 * H_Mirzajr away reason: depressed
2008-01-12 13:06 < Messedrocker> WE CAN EITHER WORK ON WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES OR PLAY GYROMITE ALL DAY
2008-01-12 13:06 < Messedrocker> YOUR CHOICe
2008-01-12 13:14 < ThunderBird89> hi everyone
2008-01-12 13:20 < H_Mirzajr> wimt: Hugs.
2008-01-12 13:20 < wimt> Hey Drunken_Idiot :-)
2008-01-12 13:20 < Weaselosaurus> "Bush plans to reduce troop level in Iraq"
2008-01-12 13:21 < Weaselosaurus> Victory in Iraq?
2008-01-12 13:21 < ThunderBird89> he wishes...
2008-01-12 13:21 < Weaselosaurus> whats the difference to the American people?
2008-01-12 13:22 < ThunderBird89> it'll be a cold day in hell before the Iraquis accept american authority
2008-01-12 13:22 < LuciferTiger> Weaselosaurus: less dead relatives?
2008-01-12 13:22 < ThunderBird89> to the general populace, ... well yeah
2008-01-12 13:22 < Weaselosaurus> They don't have to accept American authority
2008-01-12 13:22 < LuciferTiger> fewer taxes
2008-01-12 13:22 < shimgray> ThunderBird89: um... you think they're there to ensure the population accept "American authority"?
2008-01-12 13:23 < shimgray> even the US government isn't *that* ambitious
2008-01-12 13:23 < shimgray> they're not trying to annex the place
2008-01-12 13:23 < Weaselosaurus> it's simply a pullback of troops after an improvement in the security situation
2008-01-12 13:23 < ThunderBird89> well, officially not... (brb)
2008-01-12 13:23 < mavhk> pity the improvement was due to the increase in troops
2008-01-12 13:23 < Weaselosaurus> of course, pulling them back wholesale is a terrible idea
2008-01-12 13:23 < shimgray> Weaselosaurus: or, well, no improvement in the security situation but a desperate political need to do something :-)
2008-01-12 13:23 < mavhk> apparently if you have 8 soldiers per square metre crime goes down
2008-01-12 13:24 < Weaselosaurus> (but as a politician you need something to run on, damnit)
2008-01-12 13:24 < Weaselosaurus> shimgray: Not even the BBC is denying the fall in casualties now
2008-01-12 13:24 < shimgray> Weaselosaurus: Oh, I'm just talking about the general case
2008-01-12 13:24 < Weaselosaurus> mavhk: Precisely
2008-01-12 13:25 < Weaselosaurus> But the Democrats advocate an even stronger pull-out
2008-01-12 13:25 < Weaselosaurus> of troops
2008-01-12 13:25 < LuciferTiger> so does a certain republican
2008-01-12 13:25 < mavhk> pull everyone out, then start again
2008-01-12 13:25 < Weaselosaurus> which I think is suicide in the region.
2008-01-12 13:25 < ThunderBird89> pretty much yeah
2008-01-12 13:25 < mavhk> it's like when you abandon your code and rewrite it, except with more blood
2008-01-12 13:25 < LuciferTiger> Dems actually say they will pull out in phases
2008-01-12 13:26 < bluefoxicy> what the fuck?
2008-01-12 13:26 < bluefoxicy> It's possible to upgrade the hardware in a guitar?
2008-01-12 13:26 < Weaselosaurus> LuciferTiger: People who do that get called half-assed by the base.
2008-01-12 13:26 < Weaselosaurus> they want EVERYONE to come home NOW
2008-01-12 13:26 < LuciferTiger> you are a republican?
2008-01-12 13:26 < ThunderBird89> the moment they pull out, there's going to ber alot of trouble there...
2008-01-12 13:27 < mavhk> if you don't have a label how will we know whether to like or hate you?
2008-01-12 13:27 * Weaselosaurus is a European left-winger with a good sense of reality
2008-01-12 13:27 < LuciferTiger> apparently not
2008-01-12 13:27 < ThunderBird89> the government in the country pretty much stays there thanks to American military presence
2008-01-12 13:27 < mavhk> this is tv, people only have an attention span of 30 seconds, we can't be nuanced
2008-01-12 13:27 < Weaselosaurus> My country is not involved in the war, which I opposed from the outset.
2008-01-12 13:27 < Weaselosaurus> hence my nickname
2008-01-12 13:28 < Weaselosaurus> because it's in the "axis of weasels"
2008-01-12 13:28 < LuciferTiger> atleast not a good sense of what the candidates have been saying. my country isnt involved either. and its not a weasel anyways.
2008-01-12 13:28 < Weaselosaurus> just sayin'
2008-01-12 13:29 < Weaselosaurus> the candidates are usually saner than the electorate, which is why they're the ones running, and not the electorate.
2008-01-12 13:29 < ThunderBird89> the problem is, once they get in power, they lose all that sanity
2008-01-12 13:29 < Calysta> Hi! I'm a democrat
2008-01-12 13:29 < Weaselosaurus> not necessarily
2008-01-12 13:30 < Weaselosaurus> JFK lost little of his sanity
2008-01-12 13:30 < mavhk> Calysta: the first step is acceptance
2008-01-12 13:30 < ThunderBird89> ah, yes ... the good old days
2008-01-12 13:30 < mavhk> left wing, right wing, the only sane people are inside the plane
2008-01-12 13:31 < Weaselosaurus> Oh, centrism.
2008-01-12 13:31 < ThunderBird89> can you say bash.org?:d
2008-01-12 13:31 < Weaselosaurus> or, as they say today, "triangulation"
2008-01-12 13:32 < ThunderBird89> anyway, JFK and those guys should be the role models for today's presidents too, IMHO
2008-01-12 13:32 < Weaselosaurus> but for the American undecided electorate, what is happening now is indistinguishable from victory in Iraq
2008-01-12 13:32 < Weaselosaurus> at least for now
2008-01-12 13:32 < mavhk> fuck film stars and get shot?
2008-01-12 13:32 < Weaselosaurus> (until they have to get back in)
2008-01-12 13:32 < Weaselosaurus> Getting shot wasn't his choice really
2008-01-12 13:33 < Weaselosaurus> and fucking film stars at least has *some* class
2008-01-12 13:33 < ThunderBird89> for the americans, yes...
2008-01-12 13:33 < Weaselosaurus> ThunderBird89: That is all that matters right now.
2008-01-12 13:33 < ThunderBird89> the way I see it, americans tell everyone they won, and then need to use their highest tech weapons against those very same people they "defeated"
2008-01-12 13:34 < ThunderBird89> did you know they are using lasers to try stopping suicide bombers?
2008-01-12 13:34 < Weaselosaurus> Well, certainly go back in a couple more times
2008-01-12 13:34 < Weaselosaurus> (but that's for the next president, who might well be a Republican)
2008-01-12 13:35 < loli> repbublican = satan's henchmen
2008-01-12 13:36 < Weaselosaurus> Anyway, the Republicans can now campaign with "Iraq was right"
2008-01-12 13:37 < ThunderBird89> um...right about what...?
2008-01-12 13:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Saddam was right?
2008-01-12 13:37 < LuciferTiger> loli: agreed
2008-01-12 13:37 < Weaselosaurus> well, "we won", so it was right to try
2008-01-12 13:37 < loli> It sounds like English; it even looks like English, but I can't understand a word you're blabbering. Your post is an orgy of stultifying cacophonous verbal depravity; an exercise in literary impotence, and an offense to all of good taste and decency.
2008-01-12 13:38 < loli> It seems your fingers not only did your typing, but did your thinking too. Have you considered suing your brain for non-support? Wouldn't clues have more room to fit in your head if you got rid of some of the gobbledygook in there? You've got a big hole in your head, now shut it. When you are at a loss for words, your loss is our gain. You bring to mind a quote from Josh Billing: "Doesn't know much, but leads the league in nostril hair."
2008-01-12 13:38 < Weaselosaurus> Meh, opperoni.
2008-01-12 13:39 < loli> I'm busy trying to imagine you with a personality. Maybe you'd be less boring once I got to know you, but I don't want to take that chance. You are nastier than a five-dollar whore getting a shit enema. You're a waste of time, space, air, flesh, and the rectum you were born from, retard.
2008-01-12 13:39 < Tony_Sidaway> If the intention of the invasion was to destabilize the Middle East and make Iran the regional superpower, then we can say "Mission Accomplished"
2008-01-12 13:39 < loli> Maybe you wouldn't come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you weren't so dumb that even blondes tell jokes about you; if your weren't so fat that your clothes come in three sizes: Extra Large, Jumbo, and Oh-My-God-It's-Coming-Towards-Us!, or if your face wasn't so ugly that visitors to the Ugly Palace pay money NOT to see you. Who am I kidding? You would.
2008-01-12 13:39 < Cometstyles> !op :P
2008-01-12 13:39 < Phoenix-busy> whats this?
2008-01-12 13:39 < Cometstyles> wimt, :|
2008-01-12 13:39 < loli> Dullard, do yourself and everyone else a favor, take a fatal overdose of your medication.
2008-01-12 13:39 < Cometstyles> its some rude ALICE Bot :P
2008-01-12 13:39 < Weaselosaurus> The typical voter is uninterested in the stability of yet another region half a world away.
2008-01-12 13:40 < Cometstyles> thankies
2008-01-12 13:40 < Phoenix-busy> :-DD
2008-01-12 13:40 < ThunderBird89> can someone kick loli, and do us all a favor?
2008-01-12 13:40 * ThunderBird89 slaps loli around a bit with a large trout
2008-01-12 13:40 < marduk> /ignore works
2008-01-12 13:40 < mavhk> +b is channel wide ignore
2008-01-12 13:41 * Calysta gets a boner
2008-01-12 13:41 < ThunderBird89> thanks
2008-01-12 13:41 < ThunderBird89> anyway, back to topic
2008-01-12 13:41 < Cometstyles> O_O
2008-01-12 13:41 < ThunderBird89> Tony: absolutely right
2008-01-12 13:41 < Calysta> i call President Bush an egregiously blabbering vermin and a maniacal, armpit-licking nauseating assault on the senses.
2008-01-12 13:42 < Weaselosaurus> I'm just saying that "instability" is a far too abstract concept to interest any voter, especially if it's half a world away
2008-01-12 13:43 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, it's unlikely to be an issue in the Presidential elections.
2008-01-12 13:43 < ThunderBird89> probably tax cuts will be deciding factor in the campaigns
2008-01-12 13:43 < mavhk> we're talking about the public voting, the issues are probably who looks the nicest
2008-01-12 13:44 < ThunderBird89> yeah, that too
2008-01-12 13:44 < Weaselosaurus> and AMERICA WINS IN IRAQ, as I said
2008-01-12 13:44 < Weaselosaurus> led by a Republican
2008-01-12 13:44 < Tony_Sidaway> "What are you going to do about Iraq?" is I suspect going to be a back burner issue by then, and I expect that economic stability (Bill Clinton's dictum) will be the main issue.
2008-01-12 13:44 < Weaselosaurus> and the nicest tie, right.
2008-01-12 13:44 < Weaselosaurus> Fred Thompson has the greatest trophy wife.
2008-01-12 13:45 < Weaselosaurus> yea, housing market
2008-01-12 13:46 < ThunderBird89> America is in for a rough ride now: mortgage crisis, China is threatening economical attacks(though I'm damned if I know how exactly...)
2008-01-12 13:46 < Weaselosaurus> Monetary policy, mainly.
2008-01-12 13:47 < Weaselosaurus> but there isn't much anyone can do
2008-01-12 13:47 < Weaselosaurus> China makes erratic decisions there right now
2008-01-12 13:47 < Weaselosaurus> they froze prices for basic foodstuffs
2008-01-12 13:47 < Weaselosaurus> which is a very un-Chinese thing to do
2008-01-12 13:47 < ThunderBird89> quite
2008-01-12 13:47 < Tony_Sidaway> China grabbing more global market share, dollar losing its hegemony in the money markets, problems in the home loan markets, fuel prices rising. There you have the issues that will affect job security and the like.
2008-01-12 13:48 < Weaselosaurus> we'll see if they're heading into their personal bubble
2008-01-12 13:48 < ThunderBird89> I think they are
2008-01-12 13:48 < ThunderBird89> EU is gainig ground fast in the international secene
2008-01-12 13:49 < Weaselosaurus> heh, but they're not "exciting", just "reliable"
2008-01-12 13:50 < ThunderBird89> I'd rather have my friends reliable, thank you
2008-01-12 13:50 < Weaselosaurus> except some new member states maybe
2008-01-12 13:51 < ThunderBird89> which ones?
2008-01-12 13:51 < Weaselosaurus> Heh, depends on what sort of investment you wish to make
2008-01-12 13:51 < Weaselosaurus> well, Slovakia, even though they rolled back their extreme deregulation somewhat since Fisk is in office
2008-01-12 13:51 < Weaselosaurus> some other countries
2008-01-12 13:52 < Weaselosaurus> all the others already are at a very high and expensive level
2008-01-12 13:52 < Weaselosaurus> not much money to be made overall there
2008-01-12 13:52 < Weaselosaurus> just *good products*
2008-01-12 13:52 < Weaselosaurus> which isn't always a market priority, sadly
2008-01-12 13:53 < ThunderBird89> yes, sadly the reigning doctrine is "make many, short-lived, cheap"
2008-01-12 13:54 < aaabot> I refer to your latest discharge of plebeian verbiage; in which, you have proven, once again, that there is no such thing as unutterable nonsense. I suggest you hone your writing skills before applying borrowed glories as a mere typist.
2008-01-12 13:55 < Weaselosaurus> Anozzer.
2008-01-12 13:55 < ThunderBird89> are there any ops around?
2008-01-12 13:55 < Weaselosaurus> anyone who talks like that without a reason is either a crank or a bot
2008-01-12 13:55 < Weaselosaurus> :-D
2008-01-12 13:55 < Pilotguy_aw> ThunderBird89- No.
2008-01-12 13:55 < Weaselosaurus> I talked to a real person like that yesterday
2008-01-12 13:55 < Pilotguy_aw> ThunderBird89- Leave us alone.
2008-01-12 13:56 < Weaselosaurus> Hm?
2008-01-12 13:56 < Weaselosaurus> we got a bot to kill
2008-01-12 13:57 < Pilotguy> ThunderBird89- Nonetheless, what do you need?
2008-01-12 13:57 < Weaselosaurus> we need to ban aaabot.
2008-01-12 13:57 < Pilotguy> mm-hmm
2008-01-12 13:58 < Weaselosaurus> it's able to discharge things like the above indefinitely
2008-01-12 13:58 < Pilotguy> Ah
2008-01-12 13:59 < Weaselosaurus> thanks
2008-01-12 13:59 < Pilotguy> No problem
2008-01-12 14:00 < Anna^Belle> hello dearies
2008-01-12 14:00 < Pilotguy> hi
2008-01-12 14:00 * Weaselosaurus is trying to fill in an insanely complex form
2008-01-12 14:00 < Weaselosaurus> ello
2008-01-12 14:01 < Anna^Belle> I'm a southern belle and you
2008-01-12 14:01 < Weaselosaurus> brb
2008-01-12 14:05 * Pilotguy is a guy who's a pilot
2008-01-12 14:05 < Pilotguy> Hello Talrias
2008-01-12 14:05 < Pilotguy> Don't I know you from somewhere?
2008-01-12 14:06 < Pilotguy> Maybe back in the days of #wikipedia-bootcamp or something
2008-01-12 14:06 < Talrias> i think i contributed to wikipedia once
2008-01-12 14:06 * Pilotguy thinks you did too!
2008-01-12 14:06 < Talrias> maybe it was more than once
2008-01-12 14:07 < JohnReaves> Talrias: Didn't you create #wikipedia-en-admins?
2008-01-12 14:07 * Pilotguy thought Danny did
2008-01-12 14:07 < Talrias> oh yeah, i did that too
2008-01-12 14:07 < Talrias> i did it with danny
2008-01-12 14:07 < Pilotguy> k
2008-01-12 14:07 * JohnReaves takes that out of context for the tabloids
2008-01-12 14:07 < Cometstyles> I created #hell, does that count? :DD
2008-01-12 14:07 < Weaselosaurus> What's that Pickwickpedia thing everybody's talking about?
2008-01-12 14:08 < Talrias> but i don't really want to go over my wikipedia cv
2008-01-12 14:08 < Pilotguy> pick what now?
2008-01-12 14:08 < Weaselosaurus> Night's in white Satan.
2008-01-12 14:08 < Weaselosaurus> -'
2008-01-12 14:08 < Pilotguy> Talrias- who would
2008-01-12 14:13 < Phoenix-busy> approx what percantage of our articles are stubs?
2008-01-12 14:13 < Talrias> not sure really, but picking out that i was in #-bootcamp and making #-en-admins isn't that bad i guess
2008-01-12 14:15 < Phoenix-busy> Talrias: I saw you mentioned in some article bout people to watch in 2007 I think
2008-01-12 14:15 < Talrias> uh, really>
2008-01-12 14:15 < Talrias> Phoenix-busy, where?
2008-01-12 14:15 * Phoenix-busy doubts it, but he sw someone beggining with T :-p
2008-01-12 14:15 < Phoenix-busy> can't find the link
2008-01-12 14:16 < Talrias> lots of things begin wiht T
2008-01-12 14:16 < Talrias> tomatoes being one of them
2008-01-12 14:16 < Talrias> and toast
2008-01-12 14:16 < Mike2> someone want to explain to this person why this can't be under a free license? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gojifanart.jpg
2008-01-12 14:20 < Phoenix-busy> More people now use the Euro than the dollar \o/ XD
2008-01-12 14:20 < Mike2> that's so October 2006
2008-01-12 14:21 < Sleeping> Night
2008-01-12 14:21 < Thx> ya Night
2008-01-12 14:21 < Phoenix-busy> 'night
2008-01-12 14:21 < Talrias> oh, i did something with {{helpme}} as well
2008-01-12 14:21 < Talrias> that was bootcamp tho
2008-01-12 14:21 < Talrias> hmm
2008-01-12 14:22 < Pilotguy_aw> ya
2008-01-12 14:22 < Thx> bootleg?
2008-01-12 14:22 < Talrias> oh, i created it
2008-01-12 14:22 < Anon3> wow, amazing how one simple word can start a conversaton not related to it in any way
2008-01-12 14:22 < Talrias> hmm :p
2008-01-12 14:23 < Anon3> ... and how I stop it
2008-01-12 14:23 < Anon3> :-)
2008-01-12 14:23 < Anon3> :-|
2008-01-12 14:23 < Messedrocker> :-----_)
2008-01-12 14:23 < party> Who had a sucessful ursup request here?
2008-01-12 14:23 < Anon3> wow, that guy has a long nose :-D
2008-01-12 14:24 < Pilotguy_aw> party :(
2008-01-12 14:24 < party> i got the username i wanted
2008-01-12 14:24 < Anon3> not me, I'm a nobody, you can tell by the anon part
2008-01-12 14:24 < Pilotguy_aw> :)
2008-01-12 14:24 < Talrias> Pilotguy_aw, what happened to bootcamp again
2008-01-12 14:24 < Pilotguy_aw> #wikipedia-en-help now iirc
2008-01-12 14:24 < Anon3> Par-tay! :-P
2008-01-12 14:25 < party> :D
2008-01-12 14:25 < party> so i own [[User:Party]]
2008-01-12 14:25 < Anon3> oh! I didn't know that was somebody's name! ...oops :-P
2008-01-12 14:25 < Talrias> Pilotguy_aw, did i found it? i don't really remember
2008-01-12 14:26 < party> Anon3, feel free to leave me a message :)
2008-01-12 14:26 < Pilotguy_aw> dunno
2008-01-12 14:26 < Pilotguy_aw> Commander Keane would now but I think he's not around anymore
2008-01-12 14:26 * Anon3 has nothing to talk about
2008-01-12 14:26 < Talrias> oh
2008-01-12 14:26 < Anon3> laa de dah
2008-01-12 14:26 * Ceiling_Cat returns to watch you
2008-01-12 14:26 < party> well, just a hi, whatever
2008-01-12 14:26 < party> hey Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-12 14:26 < party> stop watching me masturbate
2008-01-12 14:27 < Talrias> cool, the help bot is still there
2008-01-12 14:27 < Pilotguy_aw> helpmebot?
2008-01-12 14:27 < Talrias> that was the brilliant bit i reckon
2008-01-12 14:27 < Talrias> yeah
2008-01-12 14:27 < Pilotguy_aw> pgk hasn't been around in ages
2008-01-12 14:27 < Anon3> Cat on the ceiling! It's the enemy of all the laws of physics! Run away!!! :-P
2008-01-12 14:27 < Talrias> seems to be called helperbot now
2008-01-12 14:27 < party> I could make a bot, but it would spew like Did you know?
2008-01-12 14:27 < Anon3> 'me knows he is really really really really silly
2008-01-12 14:27 * Anon3 knows he is really really really really silly
2008-01-12 14:27 < Pilotguy_aw> Talrias- Looks like it's werdan7's
2008-01-12 14:27 < Anon3> whoops
2008-01-12 14:28 < Talrias> yeah
2008-01-12 14:28 < Ceiling_Cat> Anon3 - http://www.ceilingcat.com/
2008-01-12 14:28 < party> my ISP sucked in the last 2 days
2008-01-12 14:28 < party> I do believe it's due to a ddos
2008-01-12 14:28 < Ceiling_Cat> party - Don't worry, I watch everyone
2008-01-12 14:30 < Mercerism> are electronic ballasts in fluorescent lamps really rare?
2008-01-12 14:31 < Mercerism> i get some really funny websites when i search fluorescent + "electronic ballast"
2008-01-12 14:32 < JohnReaves> I don't think so
2008-01-12 14:32 < Weaselosaurus> Back.
2008-01-12 14:33 < Ceiling_Cat> any commons-l list admins handy?
2008-01-12 14:33 < Mercerism> why so few lamps advertise "electronic ballast"
2008-01-12 14:34 < Mercerism> i looked at almost every desklamp box at lowe's and none stated what type of ballast
2008-01-12 14:35 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat thats an extinct species
2008-01-12 14:35 < JohnReaves> Mercerism: Probably because it's the standard
2008-01-12 14:35 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-12 14:35 < JohnReaves> All the lights I saw when I worked for an electrician a few years ago had them
2008-01-12 14:36 < White_Cat> there is a featured article related matter I'd like you to look at
2008-01-12 14:36 < Mercerism> but i got a lamp from lowe's 3 years ago and it buzzes
2008-01-12 14:37 < White_Cat> This is the GTD Galatea, come in Alpha 1
2008-01-12 14:37 < White_Cat> Do you read me Alpha 1?
2008-01-12 14:38 * Ceiling_Cat responds
2008-01-12 14:38 < Ceiling_Cat> Niner niner, acknowledge reciept of transmission. We're taking heavy fire. We need support. Over
2008-01-12 14:39 < White_Cat> Alpha 1 you are on your own for a while, ETA for rainforcements is 15 minutes
2008-01-12 14:39 < White_Cat> Protect the cargo at all costs
2008-01-12 14:40 < Ceiling_Cat> That's a negative. We won't last that long
2008-01-12 14:40 < Ceiling_Cat> Over.
2008-01-12 14:41 < White_Cat> Alpha 1 then its Game over.
2008-01-12 14:41 < White_Cat> over and out
2008-01-12 14:41 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat seriously please look into this
2008-01-12 14:41 < Weaselosaurus> *boom
2008-01-12 14:41 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - look into what?
2008-01-12 14:41 < Mercerism> JohnReaves: how do you know if a lamp has electromagnetic ballast or solid state?
2008-01-12 14:41 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat [[Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Oh My Goddess episodes]]
2008-01-12 14:41 < White_Cat> TTN and etall have been mass blanking pages
2008-01-12 14:42 < White_Cat> we will have multiple featured list delistifications as a result
2008-01-12 14:42 < White_Cat> we are loosing featured quality here
2008-01-12 14:42 * Triona resists the urge to say so what
2008-01-12 14:42 < ggreer> yay, destroy anime trivia pages
2008-01-12 14:42 < Triona> I'd be upset if they were encyclopedic articles.
2008-01-12 14:43 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat he is relentlessly blanking pages
2008-01-12 14:43 < White_Cat> often without even engaging in any kind of discussion
2008-01-12 14:43 < White_Cat> when I do the same people call it disruption
2008-01-12 14:43 < Ceiling_Cat> I saw soemthing on ANI about this
2008-01-12 14:43 < White_Cat> Triona and ggreer please go to hell
2008-01-12 14:44 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat yes
2008-01-12 14:44 < White_Cat> self rightous people commented for a while and by that I mean Jack and Farix
2008-01-12 14:44 < White_Cat> the TTN group
2008-01-12 14:44 < White_Cat> if TTN is accused of anything those two or others will imidiately leap
2008-01-12 14:44 < Ceiling_Cat> Ceiling_Cat - I am not going to jump into the middle of an ugly mess like that, sorry
2008-01-12 14:44 < Ceiling_Cat> I suggest starting a lynch mob on AN ;)
2008-01-12 14:44 < Talrias> Pilotguy_aw, looks like people are as unhelpful as usual tho :p
2008-01-12 14:45 < White_Cat> Oh right
2008-01-12 14:45 < Weaselosaurus> "evangelist Ted Haggard"
2008-01-12 14:45 * Ceiling_Cat breaks out the pitchforks and torches
2008-01-12 14:45 < White_Cat> lets all ignore th obviouse problem
2008-01-12 14:45 < ggreer> hah
2008-01-12 14:45 * Weaselosaurus thought an evangelist was something else
2008-01-12 14:45 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat you mind if I blanked random pages without saying a word?
2008-01-12 14:45 < White_Cat> I know you would.
2008-01-12 14:45 < White_Cat> so why is no one saying a word on TTNs behaviour
2008-01-12 14:45 < Mercerism> evangelist is from buffy the vampire
2008-01-12 14:45 < White_Cat> if it is acceptable why am I being accused of disruption
2008-01-12 14:46 < Ceiling_Cat> hold on, lemme see
2008-01-12 14:46 < Mercerism> holy crap
2008-01-12 14:46 < Triona> It sounds like a very bold case of WP:IAR
2008-01-12 14:46 < Mercerism> im looking up electronic ballast prices and they go for 30 dollars plus
2008-01-12 14:46 < domas> hiiii!
2008-01-12 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> DOMAS!!!
2008-01-12 14:47 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Domas
2008-01-12 14:47 < domas> soooo
2008-01-12 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> It's been so long
2008-01-12 14:47 < domas> can I remove the singular/plural magic from Categories: at the bottom of page
2008-01-12 14:47 < ggreer> Mercerism: did you break one?
2008-01-12 14:47 < domas> and leave static entry 'Categories:' ? :)
2008-01-12 14:47 < Messedrocker> PLEASE GET UP MISTER BUBBLES
2008-01-12 14:47 < Messedrocker> WHY WON'T YOU GET UP
2008-01-12 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - on a more serious note, I suggest you demand that people redirecting these things take them to AFD
2008-01-12 14:47 < Mercerism> ggreer: no
2008-01-12 14:47 < domas> without causing like... 500 mails on wikipedia-en list? :)
2008-01-12 14:47 < ggreer> oh
2008-01-12 14:48 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat they do that
2008-01-12 14:48 < Ceiling_Cat> domas - I don't understand what you are asking
2008-01-12 14:48 < White_Cat> and if it ends up as a keep or no-consensus
2008-01-12 14:48 < White_Cat> they redirectify it anyways
2008-01-12 14:48 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - then bring *that* up on AN
2008-01-12 14:48 < White_Cat> as "merge is an editorial decision"
2008-01-12 14:48 < domas> Ceiling_Cat: well, you know - there's a category list on every page, right?
2008-01-12 14:48 < Ceiling_Cat> your current thread there is incomprehensible
2008-01-12 14:48 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat ignore the thread
2008-01-12 14:48 < Ceiling_Cat> domas - if the page has categories, they are listed, yes
2008-01-12 14:48 < White_Cat> take a look at the past 5000 edits of TTN
2008-01-12 14:48 < White_Cat> or 50
2008-01-12 14:48 < White_Cat> what do you see?
2008-01-12 14:48 < domas> Ceiling_Cat: there's a label there, "Category" or "Categories"
2008-01-12 14:49 < Ceiling_Cat> in the wikitext, you mean?>
2008-01-12 14:49 < Ceiling_Cat> or when the article is rendered
2008-01-12 14:49 < domas> Ceiling_Cat: if I'd make it always show "Categories", even if there is just one category, it would be faster.
2008-01-12 14:49 < domas> =)
2008-01-12 14:49 < Ceiling_Cat> ah, right now, if there's only one category, it says category
2008-01-12 14:49 < Mercerism> you guys know why they burned down that library of alexandria?
2008-01-12 14:49 < Ceiling_Cat> and if there's more than one, it says categories
2008-01-12 14:49 < domas> Ceiling_Cat: would it be very bad if it would always say 'Categories'
2008-01-12 14:49 < domas> ;-)
2008-01-12 14:50 < Ceiling_Cat> domas - hrm, I don't think anyone will notice, to be honest
2008-01-12 14:50 < domas> let's try it then :)
2008-01-12 14:50 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat I cited the evidence on the rfar no one read it
2008-01-12 14:50 < White_Cat> I need help
2008-01-12 14:51 < Ceiling_Cat> what rfar?
2008-01-12 14:51 < White_Cat> no one is listening to me no mater how sane, logical or acceptable it can be
2008-01-12 14:51 < Mercerism> someone named Wimbo Jales tried to make an open enclopedia in alexandria and got the stupid library burnt to the ground
2008-01-12 14:51 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat the episode thing went to rfar
2008-01-12 14:51 < White_Cat> arbcom merely said "guys work together"
2008-01-12 14:51 < White_Cat> that was HOURS of evidence gathering
2008-01-12 14:52 < White_Cat> I think that deserves at least a read. Guess not.
2008-01-12 14:52 < White_Cat> So I am very frustrated
2008-01-12 14:52 < White_Cat> revert wariors are supposed to be blocked
2008-01-12 14:52 < Ceiling_Cat> Hrm
2008-01-12 14:53 < White_Cat> this guy has more reverts than all pov pushers combined
2008-01-12 14:53 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - find me 4 or 5 examples of deletion discussions that ended with keep which were then redirected
2008-01-12 14:53 < White_Cat> okay
2008-01-12 14:53 < Ceiling_Cat> put it in a COHERENT CONCISE email
2008-01-12 14:53 < Ceiling_Cat> and I will make sure the right people get it
2008-01-12 14:53 < White_Cat> for one they almost never end up as keep
2008-01-12 14:53 < White_Cat> because similar people vote
2008-01-12 14:53 < Triona> Loudocracy.
2008-01-12 14:54 < White_Cat> votestacking
2008-01-12 14:54 < Triona> Why "consensus" fails.
2008-01-12 14:54 < White_Cat> please pm me the email adress
2008-01-12 14:55 < Triona> consensus doesn't happen on anything controversial on wikipedia, at least, not within any timeframe that isn't astronomical.
2008-01-12 14:55 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-12 14:55 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&contribs=user&target=TTN&namespace=4
2008-01-12 14:57 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-01-12 15:04 < Triona> I think appropriate coverage for single episodes of a TV show is a paragraph someplace, not a fullblown article.
2008-01-12 15:04 < bumm13> hiya Triona
2008-01-12 15:05 < Triona> merges don't need prior discussion anyway. Bold, revert, discuss cycle applies.
2008-01-12 15:05 < Triona> it may be good form
2008-01-12 15:05 < Triona> but, certianly not a requirement
2008-01-12 15:06 < morwen> episode articles can theoretically be ok
2008-01-12 15:06 < morwen> for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_No_Man_Has_Gone_Before_(TOS_episode)
2008-01-12 15:07 < Mercerism> wrong
2008-01-12 15:07 < Cyrius> what a wonderful argument he had
2008-01-12 15:07 < morwen> the production section is written in prose and is actually longer than the plot summary
2008-01-12 15:08 < Triona> if they are otherwise notable, yes
2008-01-12 15:08 < Triona> just having a 2 page article for a plot summary is nuts
2008-01-12 15:08 < Triona> it's information someone can get elsewhere
2008-01-12 15:08 < Triona> it's not the type of information someone turns to an encyclopedia for
2008-01-12 15:08 < morwen> by "otherwise notable" i will assume you mean "has substantial non-plot, non-trivia information"
2008-01-12 15:08 < Triona> (unless it's a topical encyclopedia)
2008-01-12 15:09 < Cyrius> Triona: actually, it is the sort of thing people turn to Wikipedia for
2008-01-12 15:09 < Cyrius> readers like that stuff
2008-01-12 15:09 < morwen> Well, we are aiming to be a encyclopedia of every topic
2008-01-12 15:09 < Triona> morwen: media coverage, etc
2008-01-12 15:09 < morwen> as well as a general encyclopedia
2008-01-12 15:09 < Cyrius> and they make fun of us for being uptight and deleting it
2008-01-12 15:09 < Triona> an encyclopedia is a starting point.
2008-01-12 15:09 < Triona> it should be broad reaching knowledge
2008-01-12 15:09 < Triona> not knowledge in depth
2008-01-12 15:09 < Cyrius> right, off to delete the math articles
2008-01-12 15:09 < morwen> Triona: please to delete 90% of the species articles
2008-01-12 15:10 < Cyrius> morwen: at least people can understand those, the in-depth math articles are incomprehensible
2008-01-12 15:10 < Triona> A lot of stuff should be removed to more appropriate forums.
2008-01-12 15:10 < morwen> Cyrius: yeah, the maths articles are the hardest to write so that random people can understand them