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2008-01-11 15:18 < debian-is-me> 9:40 houres again
2008-01-11 15:19 < quanticle> debian-is-me: How big is the file>
2008-01-11 15:19 < quanticle> *?
2008-01-11 15:19 < debian-is-me> 3.3gb
2008-01-11 15:19 < quanticle> debian-isme: Really? That small? Are you just downloading a portion?
2008-01-11 15:21 < debian-is-me> I hope not
2008-01-11 15:22 < quanticle> debian-is-me: Where are you getting the file from?
2008-01-11 15:23 < debian-is-me> xml dump page
2008-01-11 15:23 < debian-is-me> enwiki
2008-01-11 15:23 < debian-is-me> .xml.b2z file
2008-01-11 15:25 < debian-is-me> IS it the wrong one?
2008-01-11 15:25 < Weaselosaurus> Back-ish
2008-01-11 15:26 < Mike_H> Weaselosaurus: msg
2008-01-11 15:26 < Weaselosaurus> oh, could you post it again and tell me what it is?
2008-01-11 15:26 < Weaselosaurus> :-)
2008-01-11 15:27 < Weaselosaurus> I thought it was a couple hours old and no longer relevant
2008-01-11 15:27 < Mike_H> oh, it's always relevant
2008-01-11 15:29 < Ceiling_Cat> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/11/1719222
2008-01-11 15:29 < Ceiling_Cat> WHOA
2008-01-11 15:29 < Ceiling_Cat> a 14 year old was able to build a remote control to take control of train junction, and crashed 4 trains
2008-01-11 15:31 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Heh. I saw that too
2008-01-11 15:31 < quanticle> That kid's my hero
2008-01-11 15:34 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Can you imagine putting that on a resume? "At age 14, I took over a country's rail system."
2008-01-11 15:35 < polaron> can any admins here help undo the edits of User:Moose Sheriff
2008-01-11 15:35 < cabrilo> hello
2008-01-11 15:35 < polaron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Moose Sheriff
2008-01-11 15:37 < thedjatclubrock> Why is the database locked
2008-01-11 15:37 < Not_the_NSA> thedjatclubrock: slaves catching up?
2008-01-11 15:37 < RobJ1981> Because it happens. Wikipedia can't be working 100 percent of the time.
2008-01-11 15:37 < RobJ1981> The database has been automatically locked while the slave database servers catch up to the master
2008-01-11 15:37 < RobJ1981> This is probably due to routine maintenance
2008-01-11 15:37 < thedjatclubrock> :P :(
2008-01-11 15:38 < RobJ1981> The notice clearly says that.... so why ask here?
2008-01-11 15:38 < Filanca`> by the name of vandalism, hello to all
2008-01-11 15:40 < Not_the_NSA> thedjatclubrock: told you O.o
2008-01-11 15:40 * Not_the_NSA just guessed
2008-01-11 15:40 < Weaselosaurus> Wikipedia uses slavery?
2008-01-11 15:40 * Not_the_NSA eats kibble
2008-01-11 15:40 < Not_the_NSA> Weaselosaurus: yes
2008-01-11 15:40 < Weaselosaurus> I need to tell that to WR
2008-01-11 15:40 < Not_the_NSA> it's legal here
2008-01-11 15:42 < kibble> Not_the_NSA: O_O
2008-01-11 15:42 < debian-is-me> Wikipedia is LAZY
2008-01-11 15:44 < quanticle> Not_the_NSA: Slavery is perfectly fine
2008-01-11 15:45 < Weaselosaurus> Wikipedia is the square root of its parts
2008-01-11 15:45 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: Heh. That's true
2008-01-11 15:48 < Filanca`> vandals are not so bad people
2008-01-11 15:48 < debian-is-me> Is Barack Obama an terrorist?
2008-01-11 15:48 < debian-is-me> Might he be?
2008-01-11 15:48 < debian-is-me> Do we really know?
2008-01-11 15:49 < Weaselosaurus> After all, his last name is *surprisingly* close to the first name of a certain bearded...
2008-01-11 15:49 < debian-is-me> oO
2008-01-11 15:49 < debian-is-me> Didn't notice that
2008-01-11 15:49 < Weaselosaurus> Unnnnnnnnnnnncanny.
2008-01-11 15:51 < debian-is-me> Wikipedia should say so
2008-01-11 15:52 < Weaselosaurus> Absolutely
2008-01-11 15:52 < Weaselosaurus> did you know that his middle name is HUSSEIN?
2008-01-11 15:52 < debian-is-me> And that Monica Levinski is voting for Clinton isnt metined in wikipedia
2008-01-11 15:52 < Weaselosaurus> now golly, what a coincidence.
2008-01-11 15:52 < gwern> '. (In my letter, I told him how I found his book so exciting that I photocopied nearly all of it; it didn't occur to me that an author expecting royalties might not find this a welcome sort of praise.) He wrote back, "For this you receive a reward of $1; find more errors and you'll be able to buy vol. 3 -- or make a Xerox copy of the check and cash it 100 times." Eventually I would accumulate 4 Knuth checks totalling $22.72 -- all ...
2008-01-11 15:52 < kenlyric> close caption once called him Oma BamBam
2008-01-11 15:53 < gwern> ... still uncashed.'
2008-01-11 15:54 < debian-is-me> How long from Hilary is voted untill the juicy details of Bills afairs in the news papers?
2008-01-11 15:54 < gwern> 'So, happy birthday to Donald Knuth! May he live a long life - long enough to complete The Art of Computer Programming, and savor its completion!' <-- No kidding. Don't be like Robert Jordan, Knuth!
2008-01-11 15:55 < Weaselosaurus> how's that pronounced? Like "nut" just with a th?
2008-01-11 15:55 < gwern> a year, at least
2008-01-11 15:55 * gwern always said 'new-th'
2008-01-11 15:56 < gwern> 'Donald Ervin Knuth ([knuːθ] or "Ka-NOOTH"[1]) ' <-- nooo
2008-01-11 15:56 < Weaselosaurus> Okay
2008-01-11 15:56 < Weaselosaurus> like the polar bear here in Berlin, just with th
2008-01-11 15:57 < Weaselosaurus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knut_%28polar_bear%29
2008-01-11 15:57 < quanticle> gwern: So, are you correct, or is Wikipedia correct?
2008-01-11 15:57 * quanticle considers writing a letter to Knuth
2008-01-11 15:57 < Mike_H> gwern: Some people do pronounce the "K"
2008-01-11 15:57 < gwern> quanticle: wikipedia, probably
2008-01-11 15:57 < gwern> I've always just been guessing
2008-01-11 15:58 < gwern> quanticle: not unless you found an error!
2008-01-11 15:58 < Mike_H> I remember I had a teacher whose last name was Knipper and it was pronounced "Kuh-nip-per"
2008-01-11 15:58 < gwern> you mustn't waste his time
2008-01-11 15:58 < debian-is-me> The polar bear Knut is pronoced with a K
2008-01-11 15:58 < gwern> a second of knuth's time is worth like a 100 of quanticle's
2008-01-11 15:58 < Weaselosaurus> it's funny how English has such a hard time conceiving of word starts like "x" and "kn"
2008-01-11 15:58 < Scott5114> heh, apparently it snowed in Baghdad for the first time in human history
2008-01-11 15:58 < Weaselosaurus> there's no shva between k and n in German
2008-01-11 15:58 < Mike_H> Weaselosaurus: Like the name Xiomara
2008-01-11 15:59 < gwern> (or maybe a couple thousand - knuth's getting old and can't have much time left)
2008-01-11 15:59 < quanticle> gwern: True. He's going to need every second he can get if he's going to finish TAOCP before he dies
2008-01-11 15:59 < Mike_H> See-oh-mah-rah
2008-01-11 15:59 < Weaselosaurus> X at the start is pronounced [ks] here
2008-01-11 15:59 * quanticle would hate to see TAOCP share the same fate as WoT
2008-01-11 15:59 < Mike_H> Weaselosaurus: In Spanish, there is no hard "x"
2008-01-11 15:59 < Mike_H> not that I am aware of anyway
2008-01-11 15:59 < gwern> no kidding. although WoT was closer to completion than TAOCP is, afaik
2008-01-11 15:59 < Weaselosaurus> yea
2008-01-11 16:00 < Weaselosaurus> in Catalan it's something like "sh"
2008-01-11 16:00 < gwern> so Jordan's loss wasn't as catastropic as if, say, he hadn't so much as written an outline of A Memory of Light
2008-01-11 16:01 < Mike_H> Weaselosaurus: I'm reviewing the list of unusual personal names again, and stumbled across one I added ;)
2008-01-11 16:01 < Mike_H> #
2008-01-11 16:01 < Mike_H> # Spontaniouse Grant, a model hopeful from Montgomery, Alabama, seen on the ninth cycle of the reality TV series America's Next Top Model. She was named as a result of being born before reaching the hospital, and her mother deeming her birth "spontaneous."[36]
2008-01-11 16:01 < Mike_H> if I just reviewed Top Model for weird names, that whole article would get a big boost
2008-01-11 16:01 < Weaselosaurus> it's gigantically terrible if you ask me
2008-01-11 16:01 < debian-is-me> Why doesnt the us wote for an disabled, gey, black, jewish, lady?
2008-01-11 16:02 < Mike_H> Weaselosaurus: Entertainment Weekly blogged about it
2008-01-11 16:02 < Mike_H> http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2007/09/spontaniouse-to.html
2008-01-11 16:02 < Weaselosaurus> debian-is-me: You can only vote for someone who runs, obviously
2008-01-11 16:02 < Mike_H> the blog writer being the brother of the soap opera actress [[Erika Slezak]]
2008-01-11 16:02 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: What's gigantically tragic
2008-01-11 16:02 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: Don't forget about write-ins
2008-01-11 16:02 < Weaselosaurus> giving your kid a name like that
2008-01-11 16:03 < Mike_H> I'm sorry, not her brother
2008-01-11 16:03 < Mike_H> her son
2008-01-11 16:03 < Mike_H> who goes by her last name and not her husband's
2008-01-11 16:03 < debian-is-me> So no disabled, gey, black, jewish, lady has ever ran for election?
2008-01-11 16:03 < Weaselosaurus> I mean, my rule is, don't touch it if it doesn't go with "Sen. ... (R-NY)"
2008-01-11 16:04 < Mike_H> Sen. Spontaniouse Grant (D-AL)
2008-01-11 16:04 < Weaselosaurus> Doesn't work.
2008-01-11 16:04 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: I disagree
2008-01-11 16:04 < Mike_H> I wonder if any of the Top Model winner's names fit
2008-01-11 16:04 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: It could be much much worst
2008-01-11 16:04 < Mike_H> Sen. CariDee English (R-ND)
2008-01-11 16:04 < quanticle> *worse
2008-01-11 16:04 < Weaselosaurus> quanticle: That isn't necessarily the criterion
2008-01-11 16:05 < Mike_H> There's a governor named "Ruth Ann Minner," I don't see why there can't be a Sen. CariDee English (R-ND)
2008-01-11 16:05 < quanticle> Mike_H: Rep. Shaniqua Tyler (I-
2008-01-11 16:05 < quanticle> RI)
2008-01-11 16:05 < Scott5114> Sen. Jimbo Wales (I-AL) ?
2008-01-11 16:05 < Mike_H> Spontaniouse would so beat Jimbo Wales in a popularity contest
2008-01-11 16:05 < Mike_H> She'd be like
2008-01-11 16:05 < quanticle> Scott5114 - It wouldn't be Jimbo, then. It'd be James Wales
2008-01-11 16:05 < Mike_H> "FREE WEAVES FO ERRBODY"
2008-01-11 16:05 < Mike_H> and she'd win in a landslide
2008-01-11 16:06 < Mike_H> quanticle: His legal birth name is "Jimmy."
2008-01-11 16:06 < Luigi30> and always twirling toward freedom?
2008-01-11 16:06 < Mike_H> Yes, that's weird, but he's also from Alabama.
2008-01-11 16:06 * Weaselosaurus is alright with Jimmy
2008-01-11 16:06 < Weaselosaurus> Edwards' birth name is "Jonny"
2008-01-11 16:06 < Weaselosaurus> he changed it to John
2008-01-11 16:06 < Weaselosaurus> only in the South...
2008-01-11 16:06 < Weaselosaurus> :-D
2008-01-11 16:06 < Mike_H> I still say Spontaniouse would win over Jimmy Wales in a Senate race.
2008-01-11 16:06 < quanticle> Mike_H - Well, my point still stands. If Jimmy Carter is ok, then Jimmy Wales is too
2008-01-11 16:07 < Mike_H> She'd get lots of respect from the populace for CALLIN OUT A BITCH and TELLIN IT LIKE IT IS
2008-01-11 16:07 < quanticle> Mike_H - Not necessarily. How ditzy is she?
2008-01-11 16:07 < Mike_H> quanticle: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=zlcOHaVN5o8
2008-01-11 16:07 < quanticle> Mike_H - Perhaps later. I don't have sound at work
2008-01-11 16:07 < Weaselosaurus> quanticle: Being ditzy is a *requirement* for election in Alabama.
2008-01-11 16:07 < Mike_H> Okay, let me do a transcript
2008-01-11 16:08 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus - That's probably true
2008-01-11 16:08 < Luigi30> http://img.waffleimages.com/68c920de7b52f1e59ab58fa18e050a7636e97ce9/gloriousnippon.JPG I can't tell if I'm winning or not :|
2008-01-11 16:08 < Mike_H> Spontaniouse: My name is Spontaniouse, I'm 19, and I'm from Montgomery, Alabama.
2008-01-11 16:08 < Mike_H> Tyra: And how did you get the name Spontaniouse?
2008-01-11 16:08 < Weaselosaurus> Is that pronounced like "spontaneous"?
2008-01-11 16:09 < Mike_H> Spontaniouse: 'Cause I was so quick, my mama was like, "OOH LAWD, WHAT I GON NAME THIS CHILD?" She was like, Spontaniouse! That gon be my baby name! I was comin', just comin' and comin' *with hand movements* I didn't even let her get to the hospital.
2008-01-11 16:09 < quanticle> Luigi30 - Assuming you're playing Japan, you're ranked 21
2008-01-11 16:09 < Mike_H> Tyra: So where do you work right now?
2008-01-11 16:10 < Mike_H> Spontaniouse: I was working at Wendy's, but they, like, fired me. It was too hot and it was gettin' to the summertime and I was like, uh-uh
2008-01-11 16:10 < Mike_H> *everyone laughs*
2008-01-11 16:10 < Mike_H> Mr. Jay: I know...it just messes up the weave.
2008-01-11 16:10 < Mike_H> Spontaniouse: Yeah! I wear tracks and stuff all the time too. Mm-mm!
2008-01-11 16:10 < Mike_H> *fin*
2008-01-11 16:11 < Mike_H> Weaselosaurus: Yes, Spontaniouse is pronounced just like "spontaneous"
2008-01-11 16:11 < Weaselosaurus> Is there a nickname to this?
2008-01-11 16:11 < Weaselosaurus> Spon?
2008-01-11 16:11 < Mike_H> Sponnie?
2008-01-11 16:11 < Weaselosaurus> Taney?
2008-01-11 16:11 < Mike_H> Tay Tay!
2008-01-11 16:12 < quanticle> Mike_H: Do you watch Family Guy?
2008-01-11 16:12 < Mike_H> not much anymore
2008-01-11 16:15 < quanticle> Mike_H: Have you seen the "Florida" episode
2008-01-11 16:15 < kenlyric> ack
2008-01-11 16:15 < Mike_H> no
2008-01-11 16:15 < kenlyric> there's no article on disgenics
2008-01-11 16:15 < Aqwis3> "Unlike eugenics, which strives to create a superhuman, Disgenics strives to create a person who is hardworking, cheerful, fanatically loyal to the government, unintelligent, and easily manipulated."
2008-01-11 16:15 < Aqwis3> fun!
2008-01-11 16:16 < kenlyric> ;)
2008-01-11 16:17 < quanticle> Mike_H: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO2w8DIwO_0
2008-01-11 16:19 < Mike_H> Oh, that one
2008-01-11 16:19 < Mike_H> yeah
2008-01-11 16:19 < Mike_H> I saw that
2008-01-11 16:19 < Mike_H> I thought you meant an episode about Florida
2008-01-11 16:19 < mavhk> Aqwis3: well they've got the last 2 of those working
2008-01-11 16:24 < pacify> hi
2008-01-11 16:25 < pacify> why wikiquotes does not contains cites in physics, mathematics, programming?
2008-01-11 16:25 < cabrilo> pacify: do you have some that you would like to add?
2008-01-11 16:27 < pacify> yes
2008-01-11 16:27 < Weaselosaurus> make sure it doesn't break copyright and do it
2008-01-11 16:27 < pacify> i have about 13000 lines of math/prog/ai texts
2008-01-11 16:28 < cabrilo> pacify: oh... hold on... what sort of things do you want to add?
2008-01-11 16:28 < pacify> Weaselosaurus, in my country (Russia) i may to cite under 5% of contents
2008-01-11 16:28 < Weaselosaurus> Wikipedia is based on US law.
2008-01-11 16:28 < cabrilo> pacify: no... it doesn't work like that
2008-01-11 16:28 < Weaselosaurus> and its sister projects
2008-01-11 16:28 < pacify> i think, it is world-wide practice
2008-01-11 16:29 < cabrilo> pacify: it's not.. there is not percentage or anything
2008-01-11 16:29 < pacify> cabrilo, in USA i cannot to cite anything?
2008-01-11 16:29 < pacify> without premissions
2008-01-11 16:29 < cabrilo> pacify: you can quote other's sure.... but you cannot pull quotes from some other source
2008-01-11 16:30 < quanticle> pacify - You can't just copy large blocks without permission
2008-01-11 16:30 < quanticle> ]pacify - citing lines and paragraphs is generally ok
2008-01-11 16:30 < pacify> quanticle, there is 5/15 rule
2008-01-11 16:30 < quanticle> pacify - not in the US
2008-01-11 16:30 < cabrilo> pacify: there is no such rule, in the USA or Russia
2008-01-11 16:30 < pacify> up to 5% and up to 15 pages
2008-01-11 16:30 < cabrilo> (or any other jurisdiction to my knowledge)
2008-01-11 16:30 < pacify> it is world-wide practice
2008-01-11 16:30 < cabrilo> pacify: it's not
2008-01-11 16:31 < quanticle> pacify - I'm fairly well versed in US copyright law, and I can say that there's no such thing
2008-01-11 16:31 < cabrilo> pacify: we operate under laws anyway, not practices
2008-01-11 16:31 < pacify> hm... our lawyers writes about 5/15 rule
2008-01-11 16:31 < quanticle> pacify - Even under international copyright law, I haven't heard on any such rule
2008-01-11 16:31 < cabrilo> pacify: can you point me to legislation/law that says something like that?
2008-01-11 16:32 < cabrilo> pacify: I can read russian farily well, so feel free to give it to me in russian
2008-01-11 16:32 < pacify> cabrilo, i can to point to comment for biblio-workers )
2008-01-11 16:32 < pacify> ok
2008-01-11 16:32 < cabrilo> though... to the best of my knowledge, you won't find it
2008-01-11 16:32 < cabrilo> pacify: no... we'd need a law
2008-01-11 16:32 < Weaselosaurus> Russian practice is irrelevant to US law.
2008-01-11 16:32 < pacify> http://pacify.discrete.ru/law-biblio-gk4-comment.html
2008-01-11 16:32 < Weaselosaurus> even if such a practice does exist
2008-01-11 16:32 < cabrilo> pacify: also, bare in mind that Russia is a part of several convetions protecting copyright internationally
2008-01-11 16:33 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus - right, because Wikipedia operates under US law
2008-01-11 16:33 < Weaselosaurus> *nod
2008-01-11 16:33 < cabrilo> pacify: "Достаточно осторожным можно считать суммарный объем заимствования до 5%, но решение в каждом конкретном случае зависит от ситуации и, в частности, от усмотрения суда."
2008-01-11 16:33 < pacify> yes
2008-01-11 16:33 < cabrilo> like it says, it depends on the situation and court view
2008-01-11 16:33 < cabrilo> however
2008-01-11 16:33 < cabrilo> while it may be a practice of some judges to view it like that
2008-01-11 16:33 < cabrilo> we cannot rely on that practice
2008-01-11 16:34 < cabrilo> especially considering that most judges don't
2008-01-11 16:34 < quanticle> cabrilo - Translation?
2008-01-11 16:34 < uberpenguin> hello cyrillic
2008-01-11 16:35 < Weaselosaurus> "you should be safe with 5% jacked content, but it depends on the situation and is subject to the court's discretion" or something?
2008-01-11 16:35 < cabrilo> Weaselosaurus: yes, something to that extent
2008-01-11 16:35 < Weaselosaurus> so it's supralegal practice.
2008-01-11 16:35 < quanticle> cabrilo - Hmmm. 5% of a 500 page book is still quite a lot.
2008-01-11 16:36 < cabrilo> quanticle: it's an informal recommendation by somebody... not a law
2008-01-11 16:36 < quanticle> cabrilo - Oh. Seems like a pretty poor recommnedation if you ask me.
2008-01-11 16:36 < cabrilo> quanticle: but yes... if we took 5% of britannica, we could get some articles, no? :)
2008-01-11 16:36 < cabrilo> quanticle: well... if it works before russian courts.... (I doubt it does though)
2008-01-11 16:36 < Weaselosaurus> EB1911!!
2008-01-11 16:37 < uberpenguin> EF86!
2008-01-11 16:37 < quanticle> cabrilo - Yeah, especially if the 5% you took happened to be contiguous
2008-01-11 16:37 < quanticle> uberpenguin - EF86?
2008-01-11 16:37 < Weaselosaurus> It's probably to protect kids making websites with quotes from Harry Potter or something.
2008-01-11 16:37 < pacify> up to 15 pages
2008-01-11 16:37 < uberpenguin> quanticle: correct
2008-01-11 16:37 < cabrilo> pacify: trust is... that rule is NOT applicable to our jurisdiction nor international law and practice
2008-01-11 16:38 < pacify> hmm ... then i cannot to publish any cites?
2008-01-11 16:38 < quanticle> pacify - You'd still get sued if you just ganked 15 pages without permission. Heck, I've seen people get sued for much less.
2008-01-11 16:38 < cabrilo> pacify: it's also our matter of principle to _create_ free content... not to take somebody else's work and claim it's free
2008-01-11 16:38 < quanticle> pacify - you can publish a sentence or two. Not pages and pages
2008-01-11 16:38 < pacify> yes, paragraphs
2008-01-11 16:39 < cabrilo> pacify: you can add quotes to wikiquotes, you are free to do it... but you cannot use somebody else's work... that is, you cannot copy from compilations of quotes...
2008-01-11 16:39 < cabrilo> pacify: we add to wikiquotes under fair use
2008-01-11 16:39 < cabrilo> something that, to my knowledge, russian law doesn't know about
2008-01-11 16:39 < quanticle> pacify - Nope. Even a paragraph can be too much in certain cases
2008-01-11 16:39 < Weaselosaurus> Except if the sources in question are PD of course
2008-01-11 16:39 < pacify> cabrilo, what is "fair use"?
2008-01-11 16:40 < pacify> i am working in the library and hear about it
2008-01-11 16:40 < cabrilo> but anyway, the idea behind it is that we have fair use of sentences or such out of books, which are used for educational or illustrative purposes ABOUT THAT BOOK
2008-01-11 16:40 < Formentar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
2008-01-11 16:40 < quanticle> pacify - "fair use" gives you permission to quote a book if you're talking about the book or making a parody
2008-01-11 16:40 < quanticle> pacify - "fair use" also allows you to cite the book if you're doing research
2008-01-11 16:41 < cabrilo> but, taking it out of somebody else's compliation means you are using somebody else's creative work (because collecting quotes is a creative, original, work) for wrong purposes
2008-01-11 16:41 < pacify> quanticle, hm ... and if I doing some comments to paragraphs?
2008-01-11 16:41 < cabrilo> pacify: still no
2008-01-11 16:42 < cabrilo> pacify: you would still be using somebody's else's creative work
2008-01-11 16:42 < cabrilo> e.g. you wouldn't take a shakespear's play and reword it, and then claim it is yours, would you?
2008-01-11 16:43 < cabrilo> pacify: you can quote others in order to support your claims or to present their ideas, and you have to attribute it, but only as little as you need to do it
2008-01-11 16:44 < pacify> ok
2008-01-11 16:44 < pacify> next question
2008-01-11 16:45 < pacify> can i do semantic network, based on any book?
2008-01-11 16:45 < pacify> i want to merge some ideas
2008-01-11 16:45 < pacify> by computer
2008-01-11 16:46 < pacify> in this case i am knowledge engineer
2008-01-11 16:47 < pacify> can i distribute this knowledge base?
2008-01-11 16:47 < cabrilo> pacify: depends on the license of the book you took
2008-01-11 16:47 < quanticle> pacify - Your semantic network would be a derivative work, and still subject to copyright law
2008-01-11 16:48 < pacify> quanticle, hmm ... but i think before to add sentences in Semantic network
2008-01-11 16:48 < pacify> i can to replay its freely
2008-01-11 16:49 < pacify> i _think_
2008-01-11 16:50 < cabrilo> pacify: think about it this way
2008-01-11 16:50 < cabrilo> are you using somebody else's work for your benefit and claiming it as your own?
2008-01-11 16:51 < pacify> i want to does it public domain
2008-01-11 16:52 < quanticle> pacify - Your work being public domain is irrelevant. Is the work you're sourcing from public-domain as well?
2008-01-11 16:52 < pacify> GPL does not cover semantic networks
2008-01-11 16:52 < quanticle> pacify - GPL is not a copyright. GPL is a use-license. You still retain copyright, even if you license with GPL
2008-01-11 16:52 < pacify> quanticle, wmy its irrelevant ?
2008-01-11 16:53 < cabrilo> pacify: russian law does not you to make it public domain, afaik
2008-01-11 16:53 < cabrilo> you'd have to be the copyright holder
2008-01-11 16:53 < quanticle> pacify - You can't bring other people's work into the public domain without their permission
2008-01-11 16:53 < pacify> hm ... ok
2008-01-11 16:53 < pacify> but can i to put some enc.articles in semantic network and publish as PD?
2008-01-11 16:54 < cabrilo> pacify: no
2008-01-11 16:54 < quanticle> pacify - Which encyclopedia?
2008-01-11 16:54 < pacify> quanticle, for example, Big Soviet Enc.
2008-01-11 16:54 < quanticle> pacify - You can't publish if Big Soviet Enc. is copyrighted
2008-01-11 16:55 < Mike_H> cabrilo: Do you think the username "trousertrout" is a violation of the naming policy?
2008-01-11 16:56 < thedj> perhaps you can semantic network a dictionary and put that on your blog ? at least that will be original material :D
2008-01-11 16:56 < cabrilo> pacify: I think that Great Soviet Encyclopedia is somehow freely available... again, you can't put it in public domain, no, because 1) you are in russia 2) you cannot decide on the copyright of somebody else's work
2008-01-11 16:56 < cabrilo> Mike_H: to be perfectly honest, I'm not acquianted with the naming policy
2008-01-11 16:57 * Fabexplosive goodnight
2008-01-11 16:57 < cabrilo> Mike_H: I wouldn't find it offensive though... my take on it would be: if somebody complains think about it, otherwise, let them be
2008-01-11 16:57 < Mike_H> cabrilo: It can be viewed as explicit
2008-01-11 16:57 < Mike_H> I'm assuming you know what a trouser trout is.
2008-01-11 16:57 < quanticle> Mike_H - Let it be
2008-01-11 16:57 < cabrilo> Mike_H: yeah... but it's an euphemism
2008-01-11 16:57 < Weaselosaurus> back
2008-01-11 16:57 < Mike_H> Yeah, a username that's a euphemism for a penis.
2008-01-11 16:58 < quanticle> Mike_H - If its a troll, then nuke it, but for now, let it be
2008-01-11 16:58 < cabrilo> Mike_H: would user Penis be explicit?
2008-01-11 16:58 < quanticle> cabrilo - Yeah, probably
2008-01-11 16:58 < Mike_H> yeah.
2008-01-11 16:58 < Weaselosaurus> Medical term...
2008-01-11 16:58 < Mike_H> So's diarrhea
2008-01-11 16:58 < pacify> cabrilo, can i use common mathematic definitions from Big Math.Enc. in my semantic network to publish it sem.network?
2008-01-11 16:59 < Mike_H> but nobody's named that
2008-01-11 16:59 < lc2> Mike_H: you spelled it wrong
2008-01-11 16:59 < cabrilo> in that case, trousertrout is too... though I personally wouldn't say I consider Penis parcitularly "explicit"
2008-01-11 16:59 < Mike_H> No I didn't.
2008-01-11 16:59 < Mike_H> I'm American.
2008-01-11 16:59 < lc2> Mike_H: yeah, and who invented your language?
2008-01-11 16:59 < lc2> the british
2008-01-11 16:59 < lc2> so use british spelling
2008-01-11 16:59 < Mike_H> lc2: No.
2008-01-11 17:00 < lc2> Mike_H: trolling btw
2008-01-11 17:00 < Mike_H> What's trolling?
2008-01-11 17:00 < lc2> i'm surprised there's no [[User:Diarrhea]]
2008-01-11 17:00 < cabrilo> pacify: I don't know about the copyright status of that one... btw... you can't add mathematic definitions and such to wikiquotes :) but I don't know... if Big Math Enc is free, than yes... if no, then no
2008-01-11 17:00 * Weaselosaurus wasn't serious
2008-01-11 17:01 < pacify> )))
2008-01-11 17:02 < pacify> i thibk, that any math.definitions, phys.laws etc. are free )
2008-01-11 17:02 < Weaselosaurus> those wouldn't belong in wikiquote.
2008-01-11 17:03 < cabrilo> pacify: yes, but a collection of them isn;t
2008-01-11 17:03 < cabrilo> pacify: because somebody took the effort to collect them
2008-01-11 17:03 < Weaselosaurus> neither is a proof
2008-01-11 17:03 < Weaselosaurus> (for instance)
2008-01-11 17:04 < pacify> cabrilo, then i can to make collection of math.definitions and phys.laws?
2008-01-11 17:04 < pacify> for example, in semantic network form
2008-01-11 17:05 < Weaselosaurus> whats that got to do with wikiquote?
2008-01-11 17:06 < pacify> Weaselosaurus, i think, why wikiquote does not contains math. and phys. cites
2008-01-11 17:06 < Weaselosaurus> those wouldn't be cites
2008-01-11 17:06 < Weaselosaurus> would they
2008-01-11 17:06 < rautopia> /join #wikipedia-pt
2008-01-11 17:06 < LiraNuna> msg NickServ IDENTIFY lira512
2008-01-11 17:07 < Ceiling_Cat> LiraNuna - I think you might want to change your nick password
2008-01-11 17:07 < Ceiling_Cat> since you just told the whole world what it is
2008-01-11 17:07 < LiraNuna> fuck
2008-01-11 17:07 < LiraNuna> thanks for beeping
2008-01-11 17:07 < Ceiling_Cat> also, I hope that's not the same password as your enwiki account
2008-01-11 17:08 < LiraNuna> nope
2008-01-11 17:08 < Ceiling_Cat> because if it is, you need to change that too
2008-01-11 17:08 * Ceiling_Cat huggles LiraNuna
2008-01-11 17:08 * Weaselosaurus always uses ns on the service level, not in the room
2008-01-11 17:08 < Weaselosaurus> works well
2008-01-11 17:08 < Weaselosaurus> Whoa
2008-01-11 17:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Weaselosaurus - I have some overlap in my passwords, which is why I *always* register before joining a room
2008-01-11 17:09 * Weaselosaurus just took a eucalyptus capsule and boy is it ever eucalyptusy
2008-01-11 17:09 < Ceiling_Cat> because posting my password without the / and letting everyone know what it is is a fear of mine
2008-01-11 17:09 < LiraNuna> Ceiling_Cat is watching
2008-01-11 17:09 < Weaselosaurus> Yep
2008-01-11 17:10 * Ceiling_Cat sees your shame
2008-01-11 17:12 < pacify> Weaselosaurus, i dont understand ... can i to add math.definitions from any encyclopedy to wikiquote?
2008-01-11 17:12 < cabrilo> pacify: no
2008-01-11 17:13 < Weaselosaurus> look, the point of Wikiquote is to collect sentences said by famous people.
2008-01-11 17:13 < cabrilo> pacify: wikiquote is for quotes of people
2008-01-11 17:13 < cabrilo> pacify: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:What_Wikiquote_is_not
2008-01-11 17:14 < Weaselosaurus> Scientific breakthrough sentences, say, by Einstein, Crick, Newton or Gauss
2008-01-11 17:14 < ALLSTARecho> lol I did the same thing yesterday LiraNuna
2008-01-11 17:14 < Weaselosaurus> are alright
2008-01-11 17:14 < Weaselosaurus> but it's not a material dump
2008-01-11 17:14 < bumm13> hiya Weasel
2008-01-11 17:14 < Weaselosaurus> shalom
2008-01-11 17:15 < pacify> Weaselosaurus, can i to add math.definitions from any encyclopedy to wikipedia?
2008-01-11 17:15 < Weaselosaurus> it's basically for people standing in bars making conversations to say "As X said once..."
2008-01-11 17:15 < Weaselosaurus> Definitions of what?
2008-01-11 17:16 < Weaselosaurus> Most mathematical terms already are defined
2008-01-11 17:16 < LiraNuna> ALLSTARecho, annoying isn't it
2008-01-11 17:16 < pacify> Weaselosaurus, for example, definition of semigroup, semiring, ideal, field ...
2008-01-11 17:16 < Weaselosaurus> aren't they already defined for the most part?
2008-01-11 17:16 < LiraNuna> thanks goodness no harmful people are here
2008-01-11 17:16 < cabrilo> pacify: short answer: no, you cannot add anything from other encyclopedias into wikipedia
2008-01-11 17:17 < cabrilo> pacify: if in doubt whether you can use somebody else's work: don't
2008-01-11 17:17 < cabrilo> never do
2008-01-11 17:17 < Weaselosaurus> ...unless of course it's in the public domain
2008-01-11 17:18 < ALLSTARecho> someone have a look at the BLP issue here so I don't get into 3RR.. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trent_Lott&action=history
2008-01-11 17:18 < Weaselosaurus> even then it's better to say things in one's own words
2008-01-11 17:18 < pacify> Weaselosaurus, say in one's own words and publish as PD?
2008-01-11 17:19 < Weaselosaurus> no
2008-01-11 17:19 < Weaselosaurus> if copyright has run out
2008-01-11 17:19 < Weaselosaurus> you can use it
2008-01-11 17:19 < Weaselosaurus> though excessive dumps of original text are likely to be transferred to Wikisource
2008-01-11 17:19 < Weaselosaurus> and are stylistically discouraged
2008-01-11 17:20 < cabrilo> off I go to sleep
2008-01-11 17:20 < cabrilo> almost midnight
2008-01-11 17:20 < Weaselosaurus> night
2008-01-11 17:20 < cabrilo> pacify: don't use other's work
2008-01-11 17:20 < cabrilo> never
2008-01-11 17:20 < cabrilo> it's immoral, besides being illegal
2008-01-11 17:21 < pacify> ))
2008-01-11 17:22 < pacify> cabrilo is a joker
2008-01-11 17:22 < Weaselosaurus> Hm?
2008-01-11 17:22 < pacify> <cabrilo> pacify: don't use other's work
2008-01-11 17:22 < Weaselosaurus> he's absolutely right.
2008-01-11 17:22 < Weaselosaurus> you need to use sources for citation
2008-01-11 17:22 < Weaselosaurus> but that's all
2008-01-11 17:23 < pacify> it's you US law?
2008-01-11 17:23 < bumm13> pacify: if you want our help, then please quit playing around
2008-01-11 17:23 < bumm13> cabrilo is not "a joker"
2008-01-11 17:23 < Weaselosaurus> pacify: It's the law we must follow, yes.
2008-01-11 17:23 < LiraNuna> "don't use other's work" - so why are programming libraries exists?
2008-01-11 17:24 < LiraNuna> should we all code using our own programmed libc?
2008-01-11 17:24 < Weaselosaurus> because they have been released for that purpose
2008-01-11 17:24 < Weaselosaurus> copyrighted books haven't
2008-01-11 17:24 < LiraNuna> and PD?
2008-01-11 17:24 < Weaselosaurus> And PD, as I said up there.
2008-01-11 17:25 < Ceiling_Cat> what's immoral?
2008-01-11 17:25 < gwern> LiraNuna: many people have discovered the need for their own libc
2008-01-11 17:25 < bumm13> acting like one is ignorant when not in an IRC channel ;p
2008-01-11 17:25 < pacify> gwern, for example ublibc
2008-01-11 17:25 < gwern> dietlibc, uclibc, etc. heck, google even has its own malloc
2008-01-11 17:25 < LiraNuna> gwern, hence why newlib exists
2008-01-11 17:25 < Weaselosaurus> publishing pages of copyrighted text etc.
2008-01-11 17:25 < LiraNuna> hehe
2008-01-11 17:34 < pacify> Thanks for comments. I shall discuss it with my colleagues ;)
2008-01-11 17:35 < bumm13> ok, this is a tad sickening....
2008-01-11 17:35 < bumm13> "JERUSALEM - A teary-eyed President Bush stopped in front of an aerial photo of Auschwitz on Friday at Israel's Holocaust memorial and said the U.S. should have sent bombers to prevent the extermination of Jews there."
2008-01-11 17:36 < lc2> bumm13: HAHA
2008-01-11 17:37 < bumm13> nevermind that Bush's grandfather had financial links to the Nazi regime
2008-01-11 17:38 < lc2> bumm13: yeah, because bush is responsible for what his grandparents do
2008-01-11 17:38 < lc2> i was amused by the "should have sent bombers" thing
2008-01-11 17:39 < The359> what were we going to do, bomb the camps?
2008-01-11 17:39 < bumm13> "Prescott Sheldon Bush was a United States Senator from Connecticut and a Wall Street executive banker with Brown Brothers Harriman." and "Toby Rogers has claimed that Bush's connections to Silesian businesses (with Thyssen and Flick) make him complicit with the mining operations in Poland which used slave labor out of Oswiecim [no diacritics], where the Auschwitz concentration camp was later constructed."
2008-01-11 17:39 < The359> That were, you know...occupied?
2008-01-11 17:39 < Weaselosaurus> And from where, too.
2008-01-11 17:39 < The_thing> please don't ban me again.
2008-01-11 17:39 < bumm13> hypocrite, perhaps? :p
2008-01-11 17:39 < The359> shit, it's The Thing, get him
2008-01-11 17:40 < The_thing> AH!
2008-01-11 17:40 < Ceiling_Cat> HAAA!
2008-01-11 17:40 < Ceiling_Cat> OJ Simpson violated his bail
2008-01-11 17:40 < Ceiling_Cat> http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/11/simpson.bail/?iref=hpmostpop
2008-01-11 17:40 < bumm13> "Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for several German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but by 1939 had fled Germany and was bitterly denouncing Hitler."
2008-01-11 17:40 < Ceiling_Cat> LAS VEGAS, Nevada (CNN) -- O.J. Simpson was taken into custody in Florida on allegations that he violated terms of his bail by trying to talk a co-defendant out of cooperating in a Las Vegas armed robbery case, court documents say.
2008-01-11 17:40 < bumm13> Ceiling_Cat: heh, I just read that
2008-01-11 17:41 < Ceiling_Cat> yes, that's awesome!
2008-01-11 17:41 < bumm13> indirect communication with a co-defendant in the case
2008-01-11 17:41 < bumm13> *smackdown*
2008-01-11 17:41 < Weaselosaurus> dumm gelaufen
2008-01-11 17:41 < The_thing> On question, Does anyone here know how to use macromedia flash MX?
2008-01-11 17:41 < Ceiling_Cat> that means that no only will it proobably be revoked, but when you realize that he's gonna be convicted, it means that he's just spent his last day as a free man
2008-01-11 17:41 < bumm13> at least for a long time....
2008-01-11 17:41 < Ceiling_Cat> wow, that makes my day
2008-01-11 17:41 < pacify> bumm13, ))
2008-01-11 17:42 < Filanca`> Is Barack Obama muslim?
2008-01-11 17:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Filanca` - no
2008-01-11 17:42 < Weaselosaurus> [[Debbie Schlussel]] ...
2008-01-11 17:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Filanca` - he's Churhc of Christ
2008-01-11 17:42 < Ceiling_Cat> (Protestant)
2008-01-11 17:43 < The_thing> One question, Does anyone here know how to use macromedia flash MX?
2008-01-11 17:43 < bumm13> try #flash
2008-01-11 17:43 < Weaselosaurus> http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/barack_hussein.html
2008-01-11 17:43 < bumm13> * ##flash
2008-01-11 17:43 < Weaselosaurus> :-D
2008-01-11 17:43 < Ceiling_Cat> so in one day, Marion Jones AND OJ go to prison
2008-01-11 17:43 * Rinn bursts into the room!
2008-01-11 17:43 < Weaselosaurus> </advocatus-diaboli>
2008-01-11 17:44 * Ceiling_Cat bursts out of Rinn's chest ala Alien
2008-01-11 17:44 * Rinn dies
2008-01-11 17:44 < The_thing> bumm13: thanks!!!
2008-01-11 17:44 < bumm13> :) !!!
2008-01-11 17:44 < bumm13> no problem
2008-01-11 17:44 < bumm13> Marion Jones turned out to be quite the con ;p
2008-01-11 17:44 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Rinn's still-warm corpse
2008-01-11 17:45 < bumm13> interesting spam title: "zarabozo barrak --- MR, ZARABOZO BARRAK."
2008-01-11 17:45 < bumm13> heh, Burkina Faso ;)
2008-01-11 17:45 * Cometstyles huggles Ceiling_Cat :DD
2008-01-11 17:46 * Triona casts Reincarnate on Rinn and turns her into a tiefling...
2008-01-11 17:46 < Triona> oops.
2008-01-11 17:46 < bumm13> (and everyone's favorite national capital, Ouagadougou)
2008-01-11 17:46 < Cometstyles> bumm13, the Nigerian spam :P
2008-01-11 17:46 < bumm13> yup
2008-01-11 17:46 < bumm13> 419
2008-01-11 17:46 < Cometstyles> XD
2008-01-11 17:46 * Weaselosaurus remembers John Gibson saying every tourist who ever got sick on holiday went to some "ooga booga land"
2008-01-11 17:46 < Weaselosaurus> then said he meant Ouagadougou
2008-01-11 17:46 < Weaselosaurus> which is absurd but even if true really horrible.
2008-01-11 17:46 * Triona guesses the D&D reference was missed
2008-01-11 17:48 < Mike_H> Monday
2008-01-11 17:48 < Mike_H> 8:00-9:00 p.m. �gGOSSIP GIRL�h (Beginning January 28)
2008-01-11 17:48 < Mike_H> 9:00-10:00 p.m. �gPUSSYCAT DOLLS PRESENT: GIRLICIOUS�h
2008-01-11 17:48 < Mike_H> (Beginning February 18)
2008-01-11 17:48 < bumm13> zomg!
2008-01-11 17:48 < Mike_H> rofl, another Pussycat Dolls season
2008-01-11 17:48 < Mike_H> this cannot end well
2008-01-11 17:49 < Weaselosaurus> "Fox News anchor John Gibson declared that tuberculosis usually affects someone “from the third world” or who contracted “ooga booga fever” in “some godforsaken hellhole.”"
2008-01-11 17:51 < bumm13> Weasel: ah, Fox New, why didn't you say so earlier? ;p
2008-01-11 17:51 < bumm13> *Fox News
2008-01-11 17:52 * bumm13 munches on some cocktail peanuts
2008-01-11 17:52 < Weaselosaurus> All truthiness.
2008-01-11 17:54 < ST47> I hate users
2008-01-11 17:54 < Aqwis3> users hate you ;)
2008-01-11 17:54 < ST47> They do,
2008-01-11 17:54 < Weaselosaurus> aren't you a user?
2008-01-11 17:54 < Aqwis3> indeed
2008-01-11 17:55 < Luna-San> A user of users, perhaps.
2008-01-11 17:55 < Luna-San> A user abuser. :o
2008-01-11 17:55 < ST47> I hate specifically the ones who whine about their failure of a company to me via email while ignoring my arguments and WP policy and interjecting their failure of logic and links to dictionary.com
2008-01-11 17:55 < Weaselosaurus> user ab usere.
2008-01-11 17:56 < ST47> Specifically, [[User:Patrick.rogan]]
2008-01-11 17:56 < ST47> Who is free to go die in a small hole while being munched on by an army of ants whenever he pleases.
2008-01-11 17:58 < Ceiling_Cat> I can hear them saaaaay // Carry on my wayward son // there'll be peace when you are done // lay your head to rest // don't you cry no more
2008-01-11 17:59 * ST47 goes to prepare an army of ants
2008-01-11 18:00 * Triona goes to see what ST47 is ranting about.
2008-01-11 18:00 < Cometstyles> ^_^
2008-01-11 18:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Cometstyles - are you going to the NYC or Philly meetup?
2008-01-11 18:01 < Cometstyles> ahh Somalia Meetup :)
2008-01-11 18:01 < bumm13> :s
2008-01-11 18:01 < Ceiling_Cat> Sweet. I've always wanted to see downtown mogadishu
2008-01-11 18:01 < Cometstyles> ^_^
2008-01-11 18:01 * Ceiling_Cat brings LOTS of ammo
2008-01-11 18:01 < Mike_H> heh, I was reading a message board I post at
2008-01-11 18:01 < Mike_H> and there's a booze thread
2008-01-11 18:01 < Mike_H> and apparently a few months ago I posted drunk and didn't know it
2008-01-11 18:01 < Mike_H> the post said:
2008-01-11 18:01 < Mike_H> Hahahahahaaaaaaaa, drinking on an empty stomach is so not the best plan
2008-01-11 18:01 < Mike_H> lol
2008-01-11 18:01 < Mike_H> Good night laugh.gif
2008-01-11 18:01 < bumm13> they should call it "The Land Area Formerly Known As Somalia" ;p
2008-01-11 18:01 < Cometstyles> ;)
2008-01-11 18:02 < Cometstyles> or Colorado Desert :P
2008-01-11 18:02 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - it's not a music artist
2008-01-11 18:02 < Ceiling_Cat> ;)
2008-01-11 18:02 < bumm13> it should be
2008-01-11 18:03 < bumm13> to the tune of Johnny Cash's "Don't Take Your Guns to Town"
2008-01-11 18:05 < bumm13> hiya Ressedmocker
2008-01-11 18:11 < Ceiling_Cat> BYE BYE
2008-01-11 18:11 * Ceiling_Cat waves profously
2008-01-11 18:12 < bumm13> _o/
2008-01-11 18:13 < Mike_H> C'est la vie, c'est la vie
2008-01-11 18:13 < Mike_H> C'est good for you, c'est bad for me
2008-01-11 18:13 < Mike_H> C'est la vie, c'est la vie
2008-01-11 18:13 < Mike_H> C'est what will be will be will be
2008-01-11 18:13 < Mike_H> C'est la vie, c'est la vie!
2008-01-11 18:14 < bumm13> o.o
2008-01-11 18:14 < Mike_H> bumm13: French and Saunders did a parody of an ABBA song
2008-01-11 18:14 < Mike_H> called "C'est La Vie"
2008-01-11 18:14 < Mike_H> and that's the chorus
2008-01-11 18:14 < bumm13> ah
2008-01-11 18:14 < Weaselosaurus> I turned the page and found you with my best friend
2008-01-11 18:14 < Weaselosaurus> or something
2008-01-11 18:15 < Mike_H> she's your best friend
2008-01-11 18:15 < bumm13> as in a parody of "Voulez vous"?
2008-01-11 18:15 < Mike_H> The other day
2008-01-11 18:15 < Mike_H> it made no sense
2008-01-11 18:15 < Mike_H> you started building me a fence
2008-01-11 18:15 < Mike_H> bumm13: It's basically a parody of every ballad they did, as well as the look and feel of their music videos
2008-01-11 18:15 < bumm13> ah
2008-01-11 18:16 < Mike_H> bumm13: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eidyrlSdKcE
2008-01-11 18:17 < Weaselosaurus> Wonderful Euro English
2008-01-11 18:17 < Weaselosaurus> making only slightly less sense than Ace of Base
2008-01-11 18:19 < Mike_H> They saw the sign.
2008-01-11 18:23 < Weaselosaurus> yay, drawings of people where no free image is available!
2008-01-11 18:24 < bumm13> :p
2008-01-11 18:28 < Weaselosaurus> or the terrible ABC
2008-01-11 18:28 < mavhk> what if you convert the bitmap photo into a vector drawing?
2008-01-11 18:30 < Cyrius> derivative work
2008-01-11 18:31 < Lobster> what do people think - is google trends a primary source or secondary?
2008-01-11 18:32 < lc2> Lobster: primary
2008-01-11 18:33 < Lobster> pff fair enough i guess
2008-01-11 18:37 < Filanca`> most of us accuse vandals for everything going bad in wikipedia.. but when you think of it.. they might be better than jimbo himself... they are not for authority, not for dictatorship... their philosophy is an egalitarian anarchy
2008-01-11 18:37 < Weaselosaurus> National Rally Of Woodcutters
2008-01-11 18:38 < Weaselosaurus> there are some obscure parties in the world
2008-01-11 18:38 < Weaselosaurus> Filanca`: Wikipedia's is not.
2008-01-11 18:39 < Weaselosaurus> Hence the clash.
2008-01-11 18:39 < mavhk> who said that wp was for those things?
2008-01-11 18:40 < Weaselosaurus> vandals have no socio-political ideology for the most part
2008-01-11 18:41 < Filanca`> they have a philosophy of life for sure..
2008-01-11 18:41 < Weaselosaurus> egalitarian anarchies don't work without rules either
2008-01-11 18:41 < mavhk> I'd like to be an anarchist, but I don't know the rules
2008-01-11 18:41 < Weaselosaurus> eh, their philosophy is "do funny shit and try to get away with t"
2008-01-11 18:42 < Filanca`> well that is better than exercising authority over people
2008-01-11 18:42 < mavhk> their philosophy is "80% of things on youtube are funny, therefore I am funny"
2008-01-11 18:42 < Weaselosaurus> and there is no reason at all why anyone should be having fun while denying it to 100 others.
2008-01-11 18:42 < mavhk> Filanca`: true, wikipedia really shouldn't have banned all other encyclopedias from the internet
2008-01-11 18:42 < mavhk> that was just mean
2008-01-11 18:42 < Weaselosaurus> Well, yea part of it is "it's politically incorrect, therefore funny"
2008-01-11 18:43 < mavhk> it's funny, therefore it's politically incorrect
2008-01-11 18:43 < Weaselosaurus> not necessarily
2008-01-11 18:43 < Weaselosaurus> I don't say everything has to be PC
2008-01-11 18:43 < Weaselosaurus> just that being non-PC doesn't indicate funniness per se
2008-01-11 18:43 < Weaselosaurus> contrary to what they say
2008-01-11 18:44 < Dtobias> I think, therefore I am politically incorrect!
2008-01-11 18:44 < mavhk> and that whole GFDL thing was really there to ensure wikipedia is the only encyclopedia, therefore a dictator
2008-01-11 18:45 < mavhk> Dtobias: if you're a white male you shouldn't be thinking, give the oppressed people a turn
2008-01-11 18:45 < bumm13> hiya Kieff
2008-01-11 18:45 < Kieff> bumm13: hey!
2008-01-11 18:46 < Weaselosaurus> yea
2008-01-11 18:46 < Weaselosaurus> as I said yesterday
2008-01-11 18:46 < Weaselosaurus> maybe that woman was right when she told me "by being male, you were born a perpetrator"
2008-01-11 18:46 < bumm13> :\