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2008-01-11 00:39 < Ceiling_Cat> LuciferTiger - I mentioned bedwetting as one of three behaviors associated with sociopathic behavior; someone asked what the other two were, that's how we get started on this topic
2008-01-11 00:40 < FrikkinLazer> Lurk more.
2008-01-11 00:40 < FrikkinLazer> Or longer.
2008-01-11 00:40 < LuciferTiger> what were the other 2?
2008-01-11 00:40 < Ceiling_Cat> zomg
2008-01-11 00:40 < Demi> sniffing panties, right? it's sniffing panties, isn't it?
2008-01-11 00:40 < Ceiling_Cat> LuciferTiger - arson and torturing small animals
2008-01-11 00:40 < Ceiling_Cat> ZOMG
2008-01-11 00:40 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=cbask/news/AEN4121795.htm
2008-01-11 00:40 < Ceiling_Cat> Best headline ever
2008-01-11 00:40 < Ceiling_Cat> " 23rd-ranked Stanford pounds Beavers"
2008-01-11 00:40 < LuciferTiger> oh i was actively participating in anoher hub
2008-01-11 00:41 < LuciferTiger> better headline: "Cocks pound Beavers"
2008-01-11 00:41 < Ceiling_Cat> papers really should have a resident pervert on staff to catch things like that
2008-01-11 00:41 < Schroeder> LuciferTiger: South Carolina is the Gamecocks
2008-01-11 00:41 < LuciferTiger> cocks being the USouth Carolina game cocks..
2008-01-11 00:41 < LuciferTiger> yeah
2008-01-11 00:41 < Ceiling_Cat> LuciferTiger - but did you actually see that in print?
2008-01-11 00:42 < LuciferTiger> an awful team
2008-01-11 00:42 < LuciferTiger> no. those chickens can hardly pount their own roosters if u know what i mean
2008-01-11 00:42 < Demi> that sucks
2008-01-11 00:42 < LuciferTiger> yeah
2008-01-11 00:42 < Demi> why am i always disconnected when talking about sniffing panties
2008-01-11 00:42 < LuciferTiger> lol
2008-01-11 00:42 < Schroeder> Demi: you know what else sucks?
2008-01-11 00:42 < Schroeder> deletionist vandalism
2008-01-11 00:43 < Demi> and actually that story sucks because i like the beavers
2008-01-11 00:43 < Ceiling_Cat> Demi - who doesn't like beavers?
2008-01-11 00:43 < Rinn> Trees.
2008-01-11 00:44 < Demi> ha, yes
2008-01-11 00:44 < Ceiling_Cat> lol
2008-01-11 00:44 < Ceiling_Cat> touche
2008-01-11 00:44 < Demi> wait
2008-01-11 00:44 < Demi> is that a beaver reference or a cardinal reference?
2008-01-11 00:44 < FrikkinLazer> Trees like beavers. How else would they get to made a dam out of huh?
2008-01-11 00:45 < Ceiling_Cat> FrikkinLazer - flash floods?
2008-01-11 00:45 < FrikkinLazer> Oh yeah.
2008-01-11 00:45 < Demi> well, among the kinda sorta mascots of stanford is a tree
2008-01-11 00:45 < FrikkinLazer> Although... flash floods don't nibble.
2008-01-11 00:46 < NotACow> DEATH TO NIBBLES
2008-01-11 00:47 < NotACow> mmm, beaver
2008-01-11 00:47 < Demi> i herd u liek niblets
2008-01-11 00:47 < FrikkinLazer> noobles
2008-01-11 00:54 < Schroeder> UP YOURS, NORTHERN REPUBLIC! YOUR ONE-OH-ONE HAS BEEN SPUN, SON!
2008-01-11 00:58 < Ceiling_Cat> goodnight kids!
2008-01-11 01:00 < Mike_H> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eidyrlSdKcE
2008-01-11 01:02 < jtizzle1854> did anyone know that there's a way to get free internet all you have to do is put in a aol trial disc and use it for about 6 months then when it expires put in another one in and just keep doing that i have some friends that do that did anyone know about that?
2008-01-11 01:04 < OverlordQ> yea
2008-01-11 01:04 < OverlordQ> but you're forced to use AOL
2008-01-11 01:04 < Cyrius> ...
2008-01-11 01:04 < Mike_H> OverlordQ: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt6OjnazjZs
2008-01-11 01:04 < Cyrius> jtizzle1854: welcome to 1997
2008-01-11 01:04 < OverlordQ> that's like saying you can drive a ferarri, but have to push it everywhere
2008-01-11 01:04 < jtizzle1854> and i think what you're doing is technically not illegal
2008-01-11 01:05 < jtizzle1854> welcome to 1997?
2008-01-11 01:05 < jtizzle1854> what?
2008-01-11 01:05 < uberpenguin> more like saying you can drive a ford fiesta, but have to push it everywhere
2008-01-11 01:05 < Cyrius> the "endless AOL trial" is ooooollld
2008-01-11 01:05 < jtizzle1854> you mean all of ya'll have heard of what i said
2008-01-11 01:05 < OverlordQ> Mike_H: rofl wtf
2008-01-11 01:06 < Mike_H> OverlordQ: It's hilarious
2008-01-11 01:06 < jtizzle1854> and how are you forced to use aol if you do what i said? forced to use the browser?
2008-01-11 01:06 < jtizzle1854> have y'all heard about before what i said about getting free aol?
2008-01-11 01:06 < Cyrius> YES
2008-01-11 01:06 < Cyrius> the whole internet has heard of it
2008-01-11 01:06 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-11 01:06 < jtizzle1854> i thought not many people know about that
2008-01-11 01:07 < jtizzle1854> and how are you forced to use aol if you do what i said? forced to use the browser?
2008-01-11 01:07 < Demi> iirc you have to do a little more than "put the disk in" but whatever
2008-01-11 01:07 < OverlordQ> um
2008-01-11 01:07 < OverlordQ> because it's AOL's internet
2008-01-11 01:07 < OverlordQ> you're using AOL
2008-01-11 01:07 < jtizzle1854> i know
2008-01-11 01:07 < jtizzle1854> no company owns the internet
2008-01-11 01:07 < jtizzle1854> i'm not sure what you mean by forced
2008-01-11 01:07 < jtizzle1854> forced to use aol
2008-01-11 01:08 < OverlordQ> no offense
2008-01-11 01:08 < OverlordQ> but you're an idiot
2008-01-11 01:09 < jtizzle1854> ok how?
2008-01-11 01:09 < Mike_H> So my mom calls me five times in an hour earlier today
2008-01-11 01:09 < Mike_H> I'm thinking Grandma died or something
2008-01-11 01:09 < jtizzle1854> that' you opinion
2008-01-11 01:09 < jtizzle1854> your
2008-01-11 01:09 < Mike_H> and I'm like "MOM! WHAT'S WRONG?"
2008-01-11 01:09 < Mike_H> and she's like
2008-01-11 01:09 < Mike_H> "Who's the redhead on The View?"
2008-01-11 01:09 < OverlordQ> aghaghagha
2008-01-11 01:09 < Mike_H> and I was like "Is that seriously why you called me five times?"
2008-01-11 01:09 < IceKarma> Mike_H, gah
2008-01-11 01:09 < Mike_H> it was.
2008-01-11 01:10 < Demi> Mike_H - did she call your cell and not leave a voicemail?
2008-01-11 01:10 < Mike_H> she left me three voicemails
2008-01-11 01:10 < jtizzle1854> how am i an idiot overlord?
2008-01-11 01:10 < jtizzle1854> why do you say that?
2008-01-11 01:11 < OverlordQ> Jesus told me when I talked to him in my cornflakes
2008-01-11 01:11 < Mike_H> Apparently my brother and my mother were having a squabble over who the redhead on The View was. My brother said if he got her first name, he could guess her last name and get it right, and my mom said "It's Joy something," and my brother didn't believe her.
2008-01-11 01:11 < Mike_H> So my mom won the bet.
2008-01-11 01:11 < Mike_H> (The redhead's name is Joy Behar.)
2008-01-11 01:12 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-11 01:12 < jtizzle1854> what do you mean forced to use aol?
2008-01-11 01:12 < OverlordQ> aol's network
2008-01-11 01:12 < OverlordQ> you are forced to use it
2008-01-11 01:12 < OverlordQ> period. full stop. end of message. nul
2008-01-11 01:13 < jtizzle1854> you mean the web browser?
2008-01-11 01:13 < OverlordQ> yup, it's called lynx
2008-01-11 01:14 < jtizzle1854> i'm serious here
2008-01-11 01:14 < OverlordQ> it's text only
2008-01-11 01:14 < OverlordQ> no frames support
2008-01-11 01:14 < Demi> mac os is going to lynx, of course. after panther.
2008-01-11 01:15 < jtizzle1854> is there anything wrong with using aol's internet for free what's wrong with using aol and getting it for free?
2008-01-11 01:16 < OverlordQ> it's AOL
2008-01-11 01:16 < jtizzle1854> so!?
2008-01-11 01:16 < OverlordQ> that's like saying "what's wrong with a flaming bag of crap, it's free"
2008-01-11 01:16 < Demi> and the portions, so small!
2008-01-11 01:17 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-11 01:17 < jtizzle1854> you mean aol is crap?
2008-01-11 01:17 < FastLizard4|away> jtizzle1854: AOL's internet service is widely regarded as the worst ever, but I use them anyway because I use verizon, which is pretty good
2008-01-11 01:17 < jtizzle1854> so can you use aol with Internet explorer and uninstall the aol web broswer
2008-01-11 01:17 < jtizzle1854> ?
2008-01-11 01:18 < FastLizard4|away> Good night, going to bed
2008-01-11 01:18 < OverlordQ> what is that template {{justdoit}}?
2008-01-11 01:18 < FastLizard4|away> Anyway, good night, going to bed
2008-01-11 01:18 < sarahc_> http://www.example.com/test?foo=bar <-- What is the entire "test?foo=bar" part called? I don't mean the query string, because it is only the part after the ?.
2008-01-11 01:19 < OverlordQ> path?
2008-01-11 01:19 < jtizzle1854> so can you use aol with Internet explorer and uninstall the aol web broswer
2008-01-11 01:19 < sarahc_> Or even a real browser.
2008-01-11 01:19 < sarahc_> OverlordQ: Hmm... are you sure?
2008-01-11 01:20 < sarahc_> OverlordQ: Remember that the query string is included in what I want to refer to.
2008-01-11 01:20 < sarahc_> So path + query string = ? :S
2008-01-11 01:21 < Demi> sarahc_: - it's often called a URI, but i think that's actually incorrect
2008-01-11 01:21 < sarahc_> Nah... URI is the entire http://www.example.com/test?foo=bar...
2008-01-11 01:21 < sarahc_> Or URL.. URI... URL... =S
2008-01-11 01:22 < OverlordQ> URL/URN is subset or URI
2008-01-11 01:22 < OverlordQ> *of
2008-01-11 01:22 < sarahc_> URN too? My mind boggles.
2008-01-11 01:22 < Demi> yes
2008-01-11 01:22 < sarahc_> So what is the correct term for everything behind /?
2008-01-11 01:22 < sarahc_> s/behind/beyond/
2008-01-11 01:22 < Demi> nevertheless, you will commonly hear people referring to it that way // skimming the URL RFC, it refers to it as url-path
2008-01-11 01:23 < sarahc_> "post-root" I guess is wrong...
2008-01-11 01:24 < OverlordQ> http_URL = "http:" "//" host [ ":" port ] [ abs_path [ "?" query ]]
2008-01-11 01:24 < sarahc_> [ abs_path [ "?" query ]]
2008-01-11 01:24 < sarahc_> It's that part we are talking about.
2008-01-11 01:24 < sarahc_> Those combined.
2008-01-11 01:24 < Demi> you don't like my answer?
2008-01-11 01:25 < sarahc_> Demi: Well... you basically said "path".
2008-01-11 01:25 < Demi> sarahc_: - so?
2008-01-11 01:25 < sarahc_> It seems to ignore the query part.
2008-01-11 01:25 < Demi> sarahc_: - why do you say that?
2008-01-11 01:25 < Demi> the url-path for ftp urls can contain a list of commands, for example
2008-01-11 01:26 < sarahc_> Hmm... URL path... maybe that is different from the "abs_path".
2008-01-11 01:26 < sarahc_> So it refers to the entire string after /...
2008-01-11 01:28 < OverlordQ> I dont think they have a combined name
2008-01-11 01:30 < OverlordQ> although most languages/modules etc have methods with return both as one object
2008-01-11 01:31 * bumm13 returns as one object
2008-01-11 01:43 * IceKarma encapsulates bumm13
2008-01-11 01:46 * Lycurgus curries IceKarma
2008-01-11 01:46 * IceKarma refactors Lycurgus into half a dozen other objects
2008-01-11 01:46 * Scott5114 drops a fridge onto both of you.
2008-01-11 01:46 < IceKarma> hehe
2008-01-11 01:47 * Scott5114 looks on in horror as the fridge door opens and IceKarma steps out
2008-01-11 01:47 < IceKarma> can't keep a good woman down. ;)
2008-01-11 01:48 * Lycurgus occurs checks self
2008-01-11 01:56 < LuciferTiger> damn condoms here are expensive
2008-01-11 01:57 < bumm13> o.o
2008-01-11 01:57 < LuciferTiger> seriously... 3 of them for 3 bucks.
2008-01-11 01:57 < LuciferTiger> abstinence looks like an increasingly good strategy atm
2008-01-11 01:57 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-11 02:02 < Mike_H> I actually gave away my condoms to a friend
2008-01-11 02:02 < Mike_H> because yeah, I had that much of a dry spell
2008-01-11 02:11 < yao_ziyuan> everything together now: http://anonymous12121.googlepages.com/
2008-01-11 02:37 < Pumpmeup> Anyone who can be bothered helping: It would be much appreciated if someone helps 2 users requesting help: [[User talk:Joseph A. Spadaro]], [[User talk:Mentifisto]]. They have had the helpme template on their respective pages fro over an hour.
2008-01-11 02:40 < Pumpmeup> 2 users requesting help: [[User talk:Joseph A. Spadaro]], [[User talk:Mentifisto]].
2008-01-11 03:07 < ALLSTARecho> I answered Mentifisto...
2008-01-11 03:08 < Pumpmeup> thanks :-)
2008-01-11 03:09 < ALLSTARecho> np
2008-01-11 03:13 < PeanutHorst> how would one go about instigating the creation of a WikiProject?
2008-01-11 03:13 < ALLSTARecho> Sure am getting alot of "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties." tonight...
2008-01-11 03:14 < ALLSTARecho> Instigating or actually creating?
2008-01-11 03:15 < ALLSTARecho> see [[WP:PJ]]
2008-01-11 03:16 < PeanutHorst> ALLSTARecho: i'd like to create one - if I could be sure that it would benefit Wikipedia
2008-01-11 03:32 * Lycurgus has gotten no such messages. Could be your ISP.
2008-01-11 03:39 < The359> damn, downloading shit on my PS3 really slows my connection
2008-01-11 03:44 < thedj> wikipdia is down
2008-01-11 03:44 < thedj> (Can't contact the database server: Unknown error (10.0.2.130))
2008-01-11 03:44 < The359> not for me
2008-01-11 03:45 < gurch> :O
2008-01-11 03:45 < thedj> i can still view stuff, just not make edits
2008-01-11 03:45 < thedj> now its back
2008-01-11 03:46 < The359> it was all in your head
2008-01-11 03:46 < thedj> sure :D
2008-01-11 03:50 < Zach_> i've looked at [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups#Configuration (optional)]] and I cannot figure out which option can disable popups in the edit textbox.. anyone know?
2008-01-11 04:01 < Triona> I wonder how much more productive Wikipedia would be if we turned off all the non-article namespaces for a week.
2008-01-11 04:01 < The359> worse
2008-01-11 04:01 < The359> no one would know what they are doing
2008-01-11 04:02 < Triona> Noone would be able to argue about this or that
2008-01-11 04:02 < The359> except by edit warring
2008-01-11 04:02 < Triona> all the wikilawyers would have to go edit
2008-01-11 04:03 < The359> still wouldn't get anything done
2008-01-11 04:03 < The359> You can't force people to work on something
2008-01-11 04:04 < Triona> No, I suppose not, but you can take away distractions.
2008-01-11 04:05 < Triona> At least, on-project distractions
2008-01-11 04:05 < The359> liminating non-article spaces also eliminates WikiProjects
2008-01-11 04:05 < The359> eliminating
2008-01-11 04:06 < MidnightCommando> The359: i know, and just when i had a brilliant idea for one
2008-01-11 04:06 < MidnightCommando> :p
2008-01-11 04:06 < Chrisgrant> Hi
2008-01-11 04:07 < MidnightCommando> hey Chrisgrant
2008-01-11 04:07 < Chrisgrant> Hmm Wikipedia just came up with a DB error, working fine now though
2008-01-11 04:13 < ALLSTARecho> been doing that a lot tonight...
2008-01-11 04:13 < Mike_H> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eidyrlSdKcE
2008-01-11 04:20 < mumia-w-19> When I try to update a page, I see "Wikipedia has a problem Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."
2008-01-11 04:21 < mumia-w-19> The wikipedia error also says "(Can't contact the database server: Unknown error (10.0.2.130))"
2008-01-11 04:24 < Chrisgrant> I can Load pages fine but tw is playing up
2008-01-11 04:29 < Chrisgrant> bye
2008-01-11 05:09 < The359> who the fuck removed Edmund Hillary from In The News?
2008-01-11 05:11 < Luna-San> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=183570187&oldid=183568687
2008-01-11 05:18 < The359> People seem to rightly be pointing out that the death of Hillary is more important than a cheap car
2008-01-11 05:21 < Suva> The cheap car...
2008-01-11 05:21 < jhattara> sir edmund hillary ? i would find his death a notable event, even if it was expected because of his age
2008-01-11 05:21 < Suva> Now... There are 8 cars per thousand people india.
2008-01-11 05:22 < Suva> Now, what happens if ALL of the people in india buy a car?
2008-01-11 05:22 < jhattara> oil runs out
2008-01-11 05:22 < The359> I'd say a Cricket match, the cancelling of the Dakar Rally, and a cheap Indian car are all less important than Hillary
2008-01-11 05:23 < Suva> jhattara: The world will be totally polluted in less than a day :P
2008-01-11 05:23 < jhattara> cancelling of Dakar i'd say goes to the same category, it is after all the most remarkable single event in rally (or at least among endurance rallies)
2008-01-11 05:24 < jhattara> Suva, polar ice caps melt over night
2008-01-11 05:24 < Suva> jhattara: By my calculations in two weeks :P
2008-01-11 05:24 < The359> Still, that's two sports events in the news
2008-01-11 05:24 < The359> and two automotive bits
2008-01-11 05:25 < Suva> But neat little car
2008-01-11 05:25 < Suva> I would buy it :)
2008-01-11 05:25 < The359> you'd die
2008-01-11 05:25 < Suva> That's worriesome though, cause I wouldn't be the only one :P
2008-01-11 05:26 < Rinn> Two seeders!
2008-01-11 05:26 < Rinn> And it still isn't going above 1 KB/s.
2008-01-11 05:27 < The359> http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/december2007/tata-nano-19.jpg yeah, those front seats will stand up well in a crash
2008-01-11 05:27 < The359> http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/december2007/tata-nano-20.jpg
2008-01-11 05:27 < The359> Despite being light on features and short on cost, Tata says that the Nano meets — or exceeds — all safety and emissions regulations. However, with "strong seats" listed as one of the car's safety features, it's unlikely that the Nano would pass safety tests in more developed regions.
2008-01-11 05:27 < jhattara> 5l/100k, that's incredibly much for a car that small
2008-01-11 05:27 < ancjr> Nigella Lawson is the only thing that matters
2008-01-11 05:28 < Suva> jhattara: In city
2008-01-11 05:28 < jhattara> compared to 4.6 of Aygo/107/C1
2008-01-11 05:28 < Suva> jhattara: On road it is 3l per 100km
2008-01-11 05:29 < The359> with the engine in the back, I imagine there isn't a lot of front end protection
2008-01-11 05:29 < jhattara> that that 5.0/100km was reported as combined
2008-01-11 05:29 < The359> When we were planning facilities for the car and working out a business plan, the business plan shown to me was looking at a figure of 200,000. I said 200,000 cars is crazy.
2008-01-11 05:29 < Suva> jhattara: Ah, I see, then it's bit too much. Agreed
2008-01-11 05:29 < The359> If we can do this we should be looking at a million cars a year, and if we can't do a million then we shouldn't be doing this kind of car at all," Tata said.
2008-01-11 05:30 < Suva> Atleast this car will probably become the Oil Industry Killer
2008-01-11 05:30 < The359> do Indians use unleaded fuel?
2008-01-11 05:30 < brown_cat> Stick it ipod/iphone users! http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=H_8MBTehisQ&NR=1
2008-01-11 05:33 < jhattara> are there any new small to medium sized hybrids in or coming to markets ?
2008-01-11 05:34 < Suva> The Aptera looks cool
2008-01-11 05:34 < jhattara> looks like a bit over third of the hybrids are SUVs and another third+ are big sedans
2008-01-11 05:35 < The359> better to help the gas guzzlers first
2008-01-11 05:35 < The359> the [[Chevrolet Volt]] is the next big thing on the horizon
2008-01-11 05:35 < jhattara> yeah, but i'd like to see some smaller hybrids also
2008-01-11 05:36 < The359> Volt isn't that big
2008-01-11 05:36 < The359> midsize-ish
2008-01-11 05:36 < jhattara> americans have perverted views about midsized cars
2008-01-11 05:36 < The359> that's because our small cars are bigger than yours
2008-01-11 05:36 < jhattara> i wouldn't call a car that is 4.8m long a midsized
2008-01-11 05:36 < Suva> Chevrolet Volt is a publicity stunt
2008-01-11 05:37 < The359> ....?
2008-01-11 05:37 < The359> They're already planning production, Suva
2008-01-11 05:37 < Suva> It's only for promotion and showcasing
2008-01-11 05:37 < The359> No
2008-01-11 05:37 < Suva> It's not really practical, and is overpriced
2008-01-11 05:38 < The359> $20k - $30k?
2008-01-11 05:38 < The359> And how is it not practical, exactly?
2008-01-11 05:38 < Suva> Ah, I think I confused it with the Roadster
2008-01-11 05:38 < The359> yes, the Tesla
2008-01-11 05:38 < The359> that's pure electric
2008-01-11 05:39 < The359> the Volt is electric with a small gasoline motor there simply to generate power
2008-01-11 05:39 < The359> No driveshaft
2008-01-11 05:39 < The359> Although the Tesla Roadster is also going to production, but they're having problems with reliability so they haven't launched yet
2008-01-11 05:39 < Suva> Ah, yeah yet the 64km range on batteries is not very promising
2008-01-11 05:40 < The359> that's just on pure battery
2008-01-11 05:41 < The359> If the gasoline motor comes on, it'll do 10,30km
2008-01-11 05:41 < The359> erm
2008-01-11 05:41 < The359> 1,030km
2008-01-11 05:42 < The359> But you can also plug it in at night
2008-01-11 05:42 < jhattara> [[Peugeot 307#307 CC Hybride HDi]] here's a style of hybrid i'd want, consumption under 3 l / 100km
2008-01-11 05:42 < Suva> The359: That makes it around 4.5l/100km
2008-01-11 05:42 < The359> 12 gallon tank, 640 miles
2008-01-11 05:43 < Triona> I'd love to have a small plug-in hybrid
2008-01-11 05:43 < Suva> Yet 64 km on batteries is good for city drives
2008-01-11 05:43 < Triona> The vast majority of driving won't hit that.
2008-01-11 05:43 < Suva> Usually it is 20 - 30 km in city per day
2008-01-11 05:43 < Suva> Max
2008-01-11 05:43 < The359> yes
2008-01-11 05:44 < Suva> Usually even less for me
2008-01-11 05:44 < The359> and they claim a recharge in 6.5 hours
2008-01-11 05:44 < The359> on a standard wall 120V outlet
2008-01-11 05:44 < Suva> Yeah, that doesn't matter anyways just put it on recharger for the night
2008-01-11 05:44 < The359> yeah
2008-01-11 05:44 < The359> so you could potentially go to work and back without the gasoline motor ever turning on
2008-01-11 05:44 < Suva> I wish they had some automatic recharging systems
2008-01-11 05:44 < Suva> In car park
2008-01-11 05:44 < The359> Which runs E85 ethanol, by the way
2008-01-11 05:45 < Suva> You drive on it, and it connects automatically to the car
2008-01-11 05:45 < Triona> it would need to be somehow standardized
2008-01-11 05:45 < Suva> Definitely
2008-01-11 05:46 < Triona> and probably inductive
2008-01-11 05:46 < Suva> So all carparks could have it
2008-01-11 05:46 < Triona> for safety reasons
2008-01-11 05:46 < jhattara> 308 HDi hybrid (2010-) should have a fuel consumption of 2.85 / 100 combined
2008-01-11 05:46 < Suva> Aptera promised 1l per 100km
2008-01-11 05:46 < Suva> http://www.aptera.com/
2008-01-11 05:46 < The359> GM claims the Volt can use a biodiesel, E100 ethanol motor, or hydrogen fuel cell in place of the gasoline engine
2008-01-11 05:47 < Suva> But aptera is suspicious
2008-01-11 05:47 < The359> The Aptera is impractical
2008-01-11 05:47 < Triona> Suva: it's a very lightweight vehicle
2008-01-11 05:47 < Triona> they are classing it as a motorcycle
2008-01-11 05:47 < The359> I don't see any families buying it
2008-01-11 05:47 < jhattara> yeah, but aptera is a microcar whereas 308 is a medium sized hatchback
2008-01-11 05:48 < Triona> it's very practical for commuting
2008-01-11 05:48 < Triona> it's not a "family car"
2008-01-11 05:48 < The359> Heh
2008-01-11 05:48 < The359> I can only imagine someone trying to use that in NYC
2008-01-11 05:48 < The359> The wheels would be broken off
2008-01-11 05:48 < jhattara> aptera is too long to be a proper microcar
2008-01-11 05:48 < Triona> The majority of driving done is with a single occupant.
2008-01-11 05:48 < The359> It could work if it didn't have all the stupid aerodynamics
2008-01-11 05:49 < The359> it looks fairly wide as well, jhattara
2008-01-11 05:49 < Triona> those aerodynamics are one of the things that makes it that effecient
2008-01-11 05:49 < The359> Well they also ruin a lot of its practicality and part of its market
2008-01-11 05:50 < jhattara> if i'd want a one person vehicle for commuting i'd want it to be the size of smart
2008-01-11 05:50 < The359> People tend to be turned off by a weird looking car
2008-01-11 05:50 < The359> Besides
2008-01-11 05:50 < Triona> it's a 2 person vehicle though
2008-01-11 05:50 < The359> How much is aerodynamics going to come into play in city traffic?
2008-01-11 05:50 < Triona> city traffic, not so much
2008-01-11 05:50 < The359> or even at 10mph?
2008-01-11 05:50 < Triona> freeway, a LOT
2008-01-11 05:50 < jhattara> for a city car aerodynamics mean nothing
2008-01-11 05:50 < The359> depends on the freeway
2008-01-11 05:51 < The359> I wonder how bad it buffets behind a tractor trailer...
2008-01-11 05:51 < Triona> in someplace like raleigh-durham, richmond, washington dc, chicago, etc, it would make a difference at least some of the time
2008-01-11 05:51 < The359> Some
2008-01-11 05:51 < The359> but I'd rather have the practical shell than the slight difference the aero makes
2008-01-11 05:52 < Triona> You do actually get to drive the speed limit in places there :)
2008-01-11 05:52 < The359> DC?
2008-01-11 05:52 < The359> At rush hour?
2008-01-11 05:52 < The359> Chicago?
2008-01-11 05:52 < Triona> DC, if you stay away from the mixing bowl :P
2008-01-11 05:53 < Triona> to the north of DC is nowhere near as bad comparatively
2008-01-11 05:53 < The359> still, for the average person just wanting a commuting car for work, even if they have to go on a highway, I'd go jhattara's Smart route
2008-01-11 05:53 < Triona> it would certianly get you as far as one of the metro stations on that side without too much hassle
2008-01-11 05:54 < The359> An electric Smart that is
2008-01-11 05:55 < jhattara> range 110km, recharge time 4h to 80% and 8h to 100%
2008-01-11 05:57 < bumm13> 8uo9][[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[';;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,l[';phjyuuuuuu07
2008-01-11 05:57 < The359> Hello kitty cat
2008-01-11 05:57 < Triona> I'd take the hybrid aptera for suburban/rural markets too.
2008-01-11 05:58 < Triona> for 60-100 mile round trip commutes, it makes sense
2008-01-11 05:59 < jhattara> maybe for that, but for everything else it seems to be just impractical
2008-01-11 05:59 < bumm13> oe445l;
2008-01-11 06:00 < Luna-San> Looks like bumm13's kitty got loose, again
2008-01-11 06:00 < Triona> of course, it won't be available here anytime soon
2008-01-11 06:00 * Triona used to commute 115miles one way to raleigh
2008-01-11 06:00 < Triona> from havelock
2008-01-11 06:00 < Triona> so, long distance commuting is attractive
2008-01-11 06:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Very small cars are in fairly regular use in London (dunno if that counts as a microcar).
2008-01-11 06:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Cars like the one seen in the film of The Da Vinci Code are a common sight in London, have been for about a decade now.
2008-01-11 06:06 < The359> Smart?
2008-01-11 06:06 * The359 didn't see The Da Vinci Code
2008-01-11 06:06 < jhattara> i'd like to see more tax exemptions and parking waivers for small electric vehicles like smart EV
2008-01-11 06:07 < Tony_Sidaway> You probably wouldn't want to drive those on normal American freeways (or even the English M4, for that matter)
2008-01-11 06:07 < Tony_Sidaway> The359: yes I mean the Smart cars.
2008-01-11 06:07 < The359> All the European manufacturers make cars smaller than America does, Tony_Sidaway
2008-01-11 06:07 < The359> You also have more fuel efficient diesels
2008-01-11 06:07 < The359> Even some of your hot hatchbacks come in diesel form
2008-01-11 06:08 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, we're more tightly packed here and our fuel taxes have always been ferocious.
2008-01-11 06:08 < jhattara> you can buy just about any european car as a diesel
2008-01-11 06:09 < Tony_Sidaway> They're starting to install recharging points for electric cars in London. Free parking and free electricity for up to four hours.
2008-01-11 06:09 < The359> the only non-pickup truck with a diesel by a US manufacturer is certain Jeep models
2008-01-11 06:09 < jhattara> and [[Audi R10]] proved to everybody that diesel is not equal to low poer
2008-01-11 06:09 < jhattara> *low power
2008-01-11 06:09 < The359> well I think Europeans already knew that
2008-01-11 06:09 < The359> more the smog and smell and noise issues I think
2008-01-11 06:10 < Tony_Sidaway> Diesel does seem to make soot.
2008-01-11 06:10 < The359> Seat and BMW are going the diesel route in the World Touring Car Championship as well
2008-01-11 06:10 < jhattara> and iirc modern diesel cars are cleaner than gasoline
2008-01-11 06:11 < The359> They stick massive particulate filters on them, jhattara
2008-01-11 06:11 < jhattara> i know
2008-01-11 06:11 < Mike_H> bumm13: msg
2008-01-11 06:11 < The359> so what is coming out the exhaust may be cleaner, but its not as clean coming out of the engine
2008-01-11 06:11 < jhattara> i'm perfectly aware of that
2008-01-11 06:14 < Tony_Sidaway> A car with a handkerchief to wheeze into.
2008-01-11 06:15 < Luna-San> Somebody just edited [[Pope Benedict XVI]] with the summary "added fan site." That makes me laugh, for some reason...
2008-01-11 06:15 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-11 06:15 < Luna-San> I think it's the juxtaposition with other celebrities with "fan sites," like Britney Spears or such.
2008-01-11 06:16 < bumm13> aka "the filthy batshit-crazy whore" fan sites :P
2008-01-11 06:16 < Luna-San> [witty reply removed due to BLP] :<
2008-01-11 06:17 < bumm13> I knew they'd probably dispose of Britney someday, but I figured she would just pose for Playboy or something ;p
2008-01-11 06:17 < Luna-San> I did see PETA removed her from their hate list because she's not "responsible for her actions" or some such.
2008-01-11 06:17 < bumm13> haha
2008-01-11 06:17 * lc2 skips in
2008-01-11 06:17 < bumm13> marionette strings, eh?
2008-01-11 06:17 < Luna-San> I guess. :o
2008-01-11 06:32 * amidaniel wonders if gurch will ever make him a lolcat ...
2008-01-11 06:32 < gurch> ...
2008-01-11 06:32 < amidaniel> :D
2008-01-11 06:32 < bumm13> =^o.o^= <-- lol
2008-01-11 06:37 < amidaniel> gurch: I do hope you've seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_rollback/Vote#I_oppose_the_removal_of_Image:Lolrollback.jpg_from_the_page
2008-01-11 06:38 < gurch> ...
2008-01-11 06:38 < lc2> amidaniel: haha
2008-01-11 06:42 < thedj> omg...
2008-01-11 06:43 < thedj> rlolbackcat :D
2008-01-11 06:43 < lc2> thedj: :D
2008-01-11 06:46 < lc2> you know what's weird?
2008-01-11 06:46 < lc2> i thought all users had rollback
2008-01-11 06:46 < gurch> ...
2008-01-11 06:46 < gurch> you remind me of the admins who opposed my suggestion for a change to a non-admin interface message
2008-01-11 06:47 < gurch> (since they couldn't see the message, they couldn't see the point of the change)
2008-01-11 06:47 < lc2> you remind me of someone who said a non-sequitur once
2008-01-11 06:47 < gurch> :)
2008-01-11 06:47 < gurch> the point being, admins often forget what it's like for other users :)
2008-01-11 06:47 < lc2> what's the difference between rollback and having the "undo" link?
2008-01-11 06:47 < gurch> for the 185896th time
2008-01-11 06:48 < gurch> rollback directly makes a revert
2008-01-11 06:48 < gurch> it doesn't bring up the edit screen and require you to save it
2008-01-11 06:48 < lc2> oh okay
2008-01-11 06:48 < gurch> it also automatically reverts all edits by the same contributor to the page
2008-01-11 06:48 < gurch> if there are multiple consecutive edits by the most recent contributor
2008-01-11 06:48 < lc2> i didn't know that
2008-01-11 06:48 < lc2> i thought undo was rollback, so that's why i got confused
2008-01-11 06:48 < gurch> its function can be, and is, imitated by other tools
2008-01-11 06:49 < gurch> but they do so by reverting manually in the backgroudn
2008-01-11 06:49 < Rinn> What happens if you use rollback on a page which has only been edited by one person?
2008-01-11 06:49 < gurch> and are far more inefficient
2008-01-11 06:49 < gurch> Rinn: nothing
2008-01-11 06:49 < Luna-San> Rollback also has the advantage of being server-side, which means it's both faster and more resource efficient.
2008-01-11 06:49 < Luna-San> Rinn: Error, something about "could not roll back, $1 is only contributor to page" -- I think it gives a delete link
2008-01-11 06:49 < gurch> yes. normal revert, you have to transfer the entire wikitext of the page both ways
2008-01-11 06:49 < gurch> and you have two request/response pairs
2008-01-11 06:50 < gurch> or three, if you have to check the history.
2008-01-11 06:50 < gurch> rollback, only one.
2008-01-11 06:50 < gurch> basically, it's much *much* faster
2008-01-11 06:50 < gurch> measured it today; 8 times faster for me on my current connection
2008-01-11 06:50 < jhattara> rollback is undo on steroids
2008-01-11 06:50 < amidaniel> gurch: Can get it a hell of a lot faster than that if you want :)
2008-01-11 06:50 < gurch> far more so for someone with less bandwidth (I have 8 megabits)
2008-01-11 06:50 < Luna-San> Undo has some advantages, but if you're gonna be doing it on any regular basis (vandalism), rollback is clearly superior.
2008-01-11 06:50 < gurch> undo is utter crap
2008-01-11 06:51 < gurch> it can only do one edit
2008-01-11 06:51 < Luna-San> For what *you're* doing, yes. :p
2008-01-11 06:51 < gurch> no, seriously
2008-01-11 06:51 < gurch> if someone vandalises twice
2008-01-11 06:51 < gurch> you *cannot* use undo to revert that
2008-01-11 06:51 < amidaniel> gurch: Undo has its uses, it's just no one gets that undo != rollback
2008-01-11 06:51 < gurch> without making two separate edits
2008-01-11 06:51 < gurch> you have to edit an old revision and save
2008-01-11 06:51 < amidaniel> It was never meant to be used as a rollback dealio
2008-01-11 06:51 < lc2> goodness me
2008-01-11 06:51 < amidaniel> We really should remove the undo link from the top rev and force people to just use "edit"
2008-01-11 06:52 < amidaniel> It will make life much happier for poor Werdna :))
2008-01-11 06:52 < jhattara> gurch, you can undo several edits at once, it just doesn't give you the automatic edit summary when you do so
2008-01-11 06:52 < gurch> amidaniel: how about actually putting an edit link in the page history?
2008-01-11 06:52 < gurch> amidaniel: next to each old revision, that edits that revision?
2008-01-11 06:52 < gurch> then undo wouldn't really be needed
2008-01-11 06:52 < amidaniel> gurch: You clearly don't get what undo does ....
2008-01-11 06:53 < gurch> yes I know what it does
2008-01-11 06:53 < gurch> it is usless for reverting more than one revision at once
2008-01-11 06:53 < gurch> you have to edit an old revision for that. might as well make it easier
2008-01-11 06:53 < gurch> that's all I was saying
2008-01-11 06:54 < gurch> I realize "undo" has this fancy special feature that you can somehow undo an older edit even when newer ones have been made
2008-01-11 06:54 < gurch> without affecting the newer edits
2008-01-11 06:54 < gurch> but in practise, that *never*, ever, works
2008-01-11 06:54 < amidaniel> Huh?
2008-01-11 06:54 < gurch> "The edit could not be undone due to conflicting intermediate edits." is all that will get you.
2008-01-11 06:54 < gurch> if you try to use undo on anything but the top edit in 99.9% of cases
2008-01-11 06:54 < amidaniel> The only time it should fail is if the very line the change was on has been changed
2008-01-11 06:55 < gurch> yes, which in the event of vandalism, is usually the case
2008-01-11 06:55 < gurch> since removing even one line will, on a diff, cause all lines below that to have changed
2008-01-11 06:56 < Luna-San> I know the error happens, but I don't recall ever getting it, personally.
2008-01-11 06:56 < gurch> Luna-San: you're an administrator
2008-01-11 06:56 < gurch> Luna-San: you have rollback :)
2008-01-11 06:56 < Luna-San> True. I haven't used undo too often. >.>
2008-01-11 06:56 * amidaniel growls at gurch again
2008-01-11 06:57 < gurch> amidaniel: sorry, growl all you like, undo is no use for reverting vandalism
2008-01-11 06:57 < Luna-San> I wound up using it a fair amount during the VTech incident, or some other fast-paced thing.
2008-01-11 06:57 < amidaniel> What we really need is a decent 1) Diff system 2) Merge / patch system, that can be used with undo and with edit conflicts, etc.
2008-01-11 06:57 < Pill> gurch, it works well if you undo an edit in a certain section that hasn't been changed in the meantime ...
2008-01-11 06:57 < gurch> amidaniel: with vandalism, all you're interested in is finding the last good revision and reverting to it
2008-01-11 06:57 < gurch> amidaniel: to do that, all you need to do is go back to an old revision. none of this faffing around with merging changes
2008-01-11 06:58 < gurch> amidaniel: rollback does that, but only when the vandalism has all been done by the same person
2008-01-11 06:58 < thedj> rofl: " I find it difficult to reach them now because Non Remember title"
2008-01-11 06:58 < gurch> amidaniel: in other cases, you need to manually edit an old revision. edit links on the history page would be vastly more useful than undo.
2008-01-11 06:58 < amidaniel> gurch: Well, they're easy as pie to add. (Even with user js, btw ....)
2008-01-11 06:58 < jhattara> gurch, you mean like a link that directly opens that specific version in the edit window ?
2008-01-11 06:59 < gurch> yes, I know. I've had them for several months
2008-01-11 06:59 < gurch> jhattara: yes.
2008-01-11 06:59 < jhattara> hmm...
2008-01-11 06:59 < amidaniel> I feel that sticking something like that in the std interface would be cause for headaches and confusion, though.
2008-01-11 06:59 < jhattara> i think it could be done e.g. as a browser plugin, or even with additional css
2008-01-11 06:59 < amidaniel> You must bear in mind that the "vandal fighters" are not your common user
2008-01-11 06:59 < gurch> amidaniel: then don't
2008-01-11 07:00 < Luna-San> Edit links for every oldid might be handy, but probably not for the masses. Perhaps as a user pref or JS bit, though.
2008-01-11 07:00 < gurch> amidaniel: but realize that undo, and especially rollback, are both equally useless to any such "common user"
2008-01-11 07:01 < Luna-San> I've seen random driveby anons make good use of undo.
2008-01-11 07:01 < amidaniel> gurch: No, I think undo is quite useful to your common, well, editor at least. If not to vandal fighters
2008-01-11 07:01 < amidaniel> And I don't see any point in removing the feature even if it's used rarely
2008-01-11 07:01 < amidaniel> Is it causing harm to anyone?
2008-01-11 07:01 < jhattara> imho undo is a great feature
2008-01-11 07:03 < gurch> replace the "undo" links with "edit" links and there are only two differences
2008-01-11 07:03 < gurch> (1) no default summary
2008-01-11 07:03 < gurch> (2) the links further back in the history actually do something rather than returning errors
2008-01-11 07:04 < jhattara> i don't think it should be replaced but an edit link could be added there
2008-01-11 07:06 * amidaniel wonders wtf gurch has against undo ...
2008-01-11 07:06 < gurch> its useless
2008-01-11 07:07 < gurch> last edit to the page, it's identical to just editing the penultimate revision
2008-01-11 07:07 < gurch> previous edits, it hardly ever works
2008-01-11 07:07 < amidaniel> It's not useless. You have no use for it.
2008-01-11 07:07 < amidaniel> You're more than capable of hiding it yourself.
2008-01-11 07:07 < gurch> ...
2008-01-11 07:07 < amidaniel> There's nothing to be gained by removing a feature that has a userbase.
2008-01-11 07:07 < gurch> ...
2008-01-11 07:07 < gurch> now you're just being silly
2008-01-11 07:08 < gurch> unless you're suggesting nothing should ever be removed, ever.
2008-01-11 07:08 < amidaniel> No, I'm saying that if it's not doing any harm, and people are using it, what the fuck is the point of removing it?
2008-01-11 07:08 < gurch> ...
2008-01-11 07:09 < amidaniel> I know I use it. jhattara stated he uses it. Luna-San just stated his observation that many anons make good use of it. I just don't get what the fuck your deal with it is.
2008-01-11 07:09 < amidaniel> I don't use Special:Wantedpages. Does that mean it should be removed?
2008-01-11 07:09 < Luna-San> yes!
2008-01-11 07:09 < Luna-San> I mean uh... *hide*
2008-01-11 07:09 < amidaniel> Hehe, alright, then, I'll get right on it :)
2008-01-11 07:10 < Warpath> O_O
2008-01-11 07:11 < amidaniel> Wow, I guess I won :P
2008-01-11 07:11 < Warpath> what are we getting rid of now? O_O
2008-01-11 07:11 < amidaniel> Warpath: You
2008-01-11 07:11 < Warpath> ;~(
2008-01-11 07:11 < Warpath> I'm useful :~(
2008-01-11 07:11 < amidaniel> :)
2008-01-11 07:12 < Luna-San> He can wink *while* crying. That's pretty fancy.
2008-01-11 07:12 < amidaniel> lol
2008-01-11 07:13 < amidaniel> And it's a fancydancy lil zigzag tear too .. mine always fall straight down :'(
2008-01-11 07:13 < amidaniel> Or actually, more sideways O.o
2008-01-11 07:13 < Luna-San> Heh, yeah
2008-01-11 07:13 < Warpath> :DD
2008-01-11 07:13 < Luna-San> It's the speed lines, from living life in the fast lane.
2008-01-11 07:16 * brown_cat stares at Warpath from the window
2008-01-11 07:16 < amidaniel> Hehe ... relevant quote from #mediawiki two minutes ago :) "05:14 < mrec> this rollback feature also seems to be kinda useless
2008-01-11 07:17 < Warpath> :O
2008-01-11 07:32 < Zach_> hm, i thought linking dates was supposed to put in a comma automatically
2008-01-11 07:33 < Zach_> oh, i guess not if it's something like [[2008 in foobar]]
2008-01-11 07:43 < Triona> amidaniel: Not useless, but moot.
2008-01-11 07:44 < Triona> it's less strain on the server... that's about it.
2008-01-11 07:44 < Triona> unless we're also going to take away the countless scripts for rollback
2008-01-11 07:44 < Triona> And I don't see how that would work, we don't control the user's browser
2008-01-11 08:08 < Drunken_Idiot> HI
2008-01-11 08:18 * tanaha farts softly
2008-01-11 08:18 * Drunken_Idiot slaps tanaha.
2008-01-11 08:18 < Drunken_Idiot> Very rude.
2008-01-11 08:19 < arcimboldo_> The uncommented reversion of no source boxes typically seems to go unnoticed. Is there nothing one can do about this?
2008-01-11 08:19 < arcimboldo_> (for images)
2008-01-11 08:19 * tanaha picks up teeth and throws them at Drunken_Idiot
2008-01-11 08:20 < tanaha> pretty dead here...
2008-01-11 08:20 < lc2> rape them and kill them
2008-01-11 08:20 < arcimboldo_> [[User:Daniel Chiswick]] seems to (ab)use this fact systematically
2008-01-11 08:20 < lc2> arcimboldo_: not necessarily in that order
2008-01-11 08:21 * brown_cat cuddles tanaha
2008-01-11 08:21 < tanaha> awwww thx brown_cat ;)
2008-01-11 08:21 < arcimboldo_> the images?
2008-01-11 08:22 * brown_cat gives tanaha a bunch of flowers ^_^
2008-01-11 08:22 * brown_cat hopes tanaha isn't a guy O_O
2008-01-11 08:22 < lc2> ;x
2008-01-11 08:22 < lc2> arcimboldo_: no, the people who are doing that
2008-01-11 08:23 * tanaha is a guy, but thanks brown_cat for the flowers in a very non-gay manner.
2008-01-11 08:23 < arcimboldo_> that user seems to be immune against anything ...
2008-01-11 08:23 < lc2> arcimboldo_: except death and raep
2008-01-11 08:23 < arcimboldo_> I'm not so keen on raping 17 year old boys ...
2008-01-11 08:24 < lc2> oh
2008-01-11 08:24 < lc2> you mean warnings on their talk page?
2008-01-11 08:24 < kenlyric> arcimboldo_: you're missing out.
2008-01-11 08:24 < arcimboldo_> yep ... where there's a warning on his talk page he will delete it without comment
2008-01-11 08:24 < lc2> arcimboldo_: i do that all the time
2008-01-11 08:25 * brown_cat thought tanaha was female because it rhymed with anna montana xD
2008-01-11 08:25 * Drunken_Idiot gently hugs kenlyric.
2008-01-11 08:25 < arcimboldo_> (except one time he commented in the edit that he is allowed to remove anything from his talk page according to the guideline)
2008-01-11 08:25 < lc2> arcimboldo_: he is
2008-01-11 08:25 < tanaha> brown_cat: what kind of excuse is that? :D
2008-01-11 08:25 < lc2> arcimboldo_: i resized a whole shitload of FU images and since the old revisions were deleted, i ended up getting hundreds of warnings about invalid FU images to match
2008-01-11 08:26 < lc2> arcimboldo_: you might want to consider that the same might be happening to him
2008-01-11 08:26 < brown_cat> tanaha: no, seriously, I was watching a video on youtube talking about her! xD
2008-01-11 08:26 < arcimboldo_> lc2: Well, I guess my warnings were more justified ...
2008-01-11 08:26 < lc2> arcimboldo_: why are you sure that he was the original uploader?
2008-01-11 08:27 < tanaha> brown_cat: so just wishful thinking?
2008-01-11 08:27 < Drunken_Idiot> lc2: Long time where you been?
2008-01-11 08:27 < arcimboldo_> Because he has the original uploader ...
2008-01-11 08:27 < lc2> Drunken_Idiot: afk
2008-01-11 08:27 < arcimboldo_> has -> was
2008-01-11 08:27 < Drunken_Idiot> lc2: tyt
2008-01-11 08:27 < kila> umm brown_cat i never seen that show.. but isnt it hannah montana?
2008-01-11 08:27 < lc2> Drunken_Idiot: no, i meant, i was afk
2008-01-11 08:27 < Drunken_Idiot> lc2: Oky
2008-01-11 08:27 < lc2> arcimboldo_: all the images i uploaded showed me as the original uploader as well
2008-01-11 08:27 < arcimboldo_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Arcimboldo - all my recent edits refer to his pictures.
2008-01-11 08:27 < brown_cat> kila: i spell the way i hear ^_^
2008-01-11 08:28 * Drunken_Idiot slaps bro