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2008-01-09 17:32 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-09 17:32 < TheWeasel> (but I may do so later, spoiling the record)
2008-01-09 17:32 < gwern> TheWeasel: you are a swell german
2008-01-09 17:32 < TheWeasel> no, a swilling German
2008-01-09 17:33 * gwern thinks that's swell
2008-01-09 17:33 < MessedRocker> hi again
2008-01-09 17:33 < TheWeasel> Hello again, sh-boom
2008-01-09 17:34 < Suva> There is sauerkraut in my letherhosen!
2008-01-09 17:34 < gwern> [[Image:MangaMenAtWork.jpg]] <-- I love these occupational hazard cartoons
2008-01-09 17:34 < bumm13> o.o
2008-01-09 17:34 < MessediPhone> blew
2008-01-09 17:34 < gwern> pardon me. my hovercraft is full of eels.
2008-01-09 17:35 < gwern> 'Maybe TTN didn't read the manga?' <-- ya think
2008-01-09 17:35 < TheWeasel> Bouncy, bouncy.
2008-01-09 17:35 < Formentar> gwern: Reminds me of a poster at work. It says (I think) "Don't hang noodles on my ears, I am very soft."
2008-01-09 17:36 < MessediPhone_> iuuuiigh
2008-01-09 17:36 * gwern doesn't understand, but is amused anyway
2008-01-09 17:36 < MessediPhone_> stab
2008-01-09 17:37 < MessediPhone_> stab the connection
2008-01-09 17:37 < TheWeasel> I am no longer infected!
2008-01-09 17:37 < gwern> the revolution will not be telegraphed
2008-01-09 17:38 * Formentar makes a funny face, then decides to work or possibly just watch something instead.
2008-01-09 17:39 < TheWeasel> .-.. --- -. --. .-.. .. ...- . - .... . .-. . ...- --- .-.. ..- - .. --- -.
2008-01-09 17:39 < MessedRocker> tagtgbxbn
2008-01-09 17:40 < TheWeasel> the hell it will be telegraphed!
2008-01-09 17:40 < Cyrius> the future will be carved into the moon with lasers
2008-01-09 17:41 < MessedRocker> the future will be stopped by creationists
2008-01-09 17:42 * TheWeasel reads a lower court judgment about a guy who drove an electric wheelchair while drunk
2008-01-09 17:42 < Rinn> Did he run over anyone?
2008-01-09 17:42 < MessedRocker> omg DUI
2008-01-09 17:42 < MessedRocker> nintendo entertainment soda
2008-01-09 17:43 < TheWeasel> no, it was a simple DUI charge
2008-01-09 17:43 < MessedRocker> now you're drinking sugar water with power!!
2008-01-09 17:43 < TheWeasel> he had 1.66 blood alcohol
2008-01-09 17:43 < Suva> DUI?
2008-01-09 17:43 < Rinn> Docking undulating icicles.
2008-01-09 17:43 < Rinn> Serious charges.
2008-01-09 17:44 < Suva> :)
2008-01-09 17:44 < MessedRocker> 25% of the level for a lethal amount?
2008-01-09 17:44 < TheWeasel> *D*riving *u*nder the *i*nfluence of alcohol
2008-01-09 17:44 < TheWeasel> I dunno, at least unfit to drive an E-chair
2008-01-09 17:44 < Suva> Dead Umbrella Incident
2008-01-09 17:45 < Suva> In estonia there is death sentence for driving while intoxicated :P
2008-01-09 17:45 < TheWeasel> In that case, many countries would be empty
2008-01-09 17:45 < TheWeasel> they equalised it with bicycles
2008-01-09 17:45 < TheWeasel> which is charitable
2008-01-09 17:45 < TheWeasel> an e-wheelchair is by far more dangerous
2008-01-09 17:47 < Suva> This is still a motorized wehicle
2008-01-09 17:47 < TheWeasel> the problem is whether to disallow him the use
2008-01-09 17:47 < Suva> Although, it is illegal to ride a bicycle while intoxicated aswell
2008-01-09 17:47 < TheWeasel> but seems he has a mechanical wheelchair
2008-01-09 17:47 < geniice> Suva wha?
2008-01-09 17:47 < Suva> Atleast in here
2008-01-09 17:47 < TheWeasel> yea. that's why they convicted him
2008-01-09 17:47 < gwern> Suva: seriously?
2008-01-09 17:47 < TheWeasel> he broke the barrier for bikes
2008-01-09 17:47 < Suva> gwern: Yeah
2008-01-09 17:47 < MessedRocker> scrubs
2008-01-09 17:47 < TheWeasel> which is 1.6
2008-01-09 17:48 < gwern> I thought eastern european and russian nations loved their vodka. how could they possibly impose a death sentence for being drunk?
2008-01-09 17:48 < MessedRocker> jd got a DUI for operating
2008-01-09 17:48 < Suva> And the once took a person who was riding with rollerscates while drunk
2008-01-09 17:48 < MessedRocker> his scooter drunk
2008-01-09 17:48 < TheWeasel> seriously, nothing is as cool as a manual wheelchair when you're drunk
2008-01-09 17:48 < Suva> She wasn't doing very well with the skates :)
2008-01-09 17:48 < TheWeasel> Roller skates are in the same category, although the potential for self-harm seems to prevail there
2008-01-09 17:49 < Suva> But she wasn't charged
2008-01-09 17:49 < Suva> They took her to the office, took away the rollerscates and escorted her home. :P
2008-01-09 17:49 < Suva> (I know because she was my girlfriend) :D
2008-01-09 17:50 < Suva> She got the skates back next day
2008-01-09 17:50 < wnight> Can I get someone to look at [[Church of Scientology]]'s talk page? I keep getting reverted by an over-zealous vandalism fighter just because I'm asking a question he finds too rude.
2008-01-09 17:50 < Jigme_Datse> What?
2008-01-09 17:51 < Suva> wnight: OMG! Block!
2008-01-09 17:51 < Jigme_Datse> Oh sorry....
2008-01-09 17:51 < wnight> Suva: Huh?
2008-01-09 17:52 < Mercerism> hi i want to learn more about the religion of mercerism
2008-01-09 17:52 < Mercerism> can you write an article?
2008-01-09 17:52 < Suva> wnight: You must be kidding there
2008-01-09 17:53 < Suva> USA is the [criminal] and [terrorist] country that likes to [torture] innocent people like muslims, and canadians.
2008-01-09 17:53 < DannyLilithborne> Mercerism...
2008-01-09 17:53 < DannyLilithborne> that's some robot religion/
2008-01-09 17:54 < Rinn> I like robots!
2008-01-09 17:54 < Suva> Nah they believe that licking batteries gives them special powers and stuff
2008-01-09 17:54 < wnight> Suva: I had intended to just sat [[CoS]], so I had thought the [[]] would indicate their wiki article, not their site or something.
2008-01-09 17:54 < DannyLilithborne> yeah
2008-01-09 17:54 < DannyLilithborne> wikipedia sure needs another stupid article on another stupid religion
2008-01-09 17:54 < Suva> wnight: I was commenting on your comments
2008-01-09 17:55 < mavhk> just change the page to The Church of Scientology is a fake religion designed to make fools of people and take their money
2008-01-09 17:55 * Cyrius has never heard of mercerism, and thus can't write an article.
2008-01-09 17:55 < Suva> DannyLilithborne: Let's make religious cleansing and remove all religious articles from Wikipedia
2008-01-09 17:55 < Suva> Including the FSM pages
2008-01-09 17:55 < DannyLilithborne> jihad!
2008-01-09 17:55 < DannyLilithborne> I'd love to see that crap go. But whatever ^_^ *shrug*
2008-01-09 17:55 < Mercerism> mercerism is the religion many people follow in philip k dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
2008-01-09 17:56 < Mercerism> i liked wilbur mercer's ideas
2008-01-09 17:56 < Doc_glasgow> All the editing toolbar with the wikimarkup has vanished from my edit view? Is it just me?
2008-01-09 17:56 < mavhk> Mercerism: it's not some kind of candian comedy religion then?
2008-01-09 17:56 < Suva> I want to see homealoneism
2008-01-09 17:56 < Mercerism> no its a religion about climbing up a hill while adversaries throw rocks at you
2008-01-09 17:56 < Suva> And terminatorism
2008-01-09 17:56 < Suva> And... Maybe.... Beavisandbuttheadism
2008-01-09 17:57 < mavhk> Mercerism: wasn't that also a fake religion though?
2008-01-09 17:57 < Mercerism> it is a real religion to me
2008-01-09 17:57 < DannyLilithborne> shun the nonbelievers
2008-01-09 17:57 < DannyLilithborne> shuuuuun
2008-01-09 17:57 < Cyrius> not to anyone else
2008-01-09 17:57 < mavhk> was that the one that turned out to be fake in the story?
2008-01-09 17:57 < datura> nahmt!
2008-01-09 17:58 < wnight> Suva: Which comments specifically?
2008-01-09 17:58 < Rinn> Homealoneism practitioners must heat their door handles and tie paint cans to the ceiling each week in ritual celebration.
2008-01-09 17:58 < Mercerism> mercerism isnt fake because when asked whether it was fake wilbur mercer replied yes
2008-01-09 17:58 < DannyLilithborne> they put cologne on their cheeks every morning and scream
2008-01-09 17:59 < geniice> mavhk for a given value of fake
2008-01-09 17:59 < DannyLilithborne> ...and this means what to us?
2008-01-09 17:59 < Mercerism> so how can a religion that says it is not real be fake in the sense that it is lying?
2008-01-09 17:59 < DannyLilithborne> ...stop saying words
2008-01-09 17:59 < Suva> I declare a... Inquisition!
2008-01-09 17:59 < Rinn> I like this guy.
2008-01-09 17:59 < wnight> Anyways, can I get someone to look at the CoS talk page?
2008-01-09 18:00 < DannyLilithborne> are you not the opposite of not a troll
2008-01-09 18:00 < Suva> Rinn: Me?
2008-01-09 18:00 < Rinn> No, Mercerism.
2008-01-09 18:00 < Rinn> But you're okay too, I guess.
2008-01-09 18:00 < mavhk> http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1724536
2008-01-09 18:00 < Suva> Just okay? :(
2008-01-09 18:00 < bluefoxicy> I'm having trouble finding a Douglas Adams essa
2008-01-09 18:00 < bluefoxicy> essay
2008-01-09 18:00 < Suva> How about "The Church of Scientology is [a large criminal] organization devoted to the practice and the promotion of the Scientology belief system."?
2008-01-09 18:00 < Suva> @ wnight
2008-01-09 18:00 < bluefoxicy> he wrote an essay titled "Everybody who disagrees with you is a moron"
2008-01-09 18:00 < bluefoxicy> google knows nothing about it.
2008-01-09 18:00 < bluefoxicy> I don't know how else to find shit on the internet
2008-01-09 18:01 < wnight> Oh, I didn't recognize that. I didn't [] for emphasis, I did it to indicate the words I'd substitute.
2008-01-09 18:01 < Rinn> There's no other way to find things on the internet.
2008-01-09 18:01 < Rinn> There is only Google.
2008-01-09 18:02 < DannyLilithborne> there is no Internet, only Guul
2008-01-09 18:02 < Suva> May I write in caps and with spelling errors?
2008-01-09 18:02 < Rinn> Yes!
2008-01-09 18:03 < wnight> Knock yourself out.
2008-01-09 18:03 < Suva> OMG A G000L LOL!!!!111
2008-01-09 18:03 < Rinn> INAFCT, WE ENCURAGE SUCH ACTIVITES HERE
2008-01-09 18:03 < Suva> It's nice to know that we don't have any trolls
2008-01-09 18:03 < DannyLilithborne> give me money to cross the bridge
2008-01-09 18:05 < Starnestommy> is wikipedia down?
2008-01-09 18:06 < Rinn> [[Is zero even?]]
2008-01-09 18:06 < wnight> Anyways, it's silly to suggest that strong wording on a talk page is vandalism. It's a valid point and other wikipedia articles support it.
2008-01-09 18:06 < Starnestommy> nm, my connection broke
2008-01-09 18:08 < Rinn> I like the image description on [[Evenness of zero]].
2008-01-09 18:09 < Rinn> "Zero objects, divided into two equal groups."
2008-01-09 18:09 < gwern> hah!
2008-01-09 18:10 < gwern> 'In reaction time experiments, most subjects are slower to call 0 even than other even numbers.' <-- whoever wrote this was just being silly
2008-01-09 18:11 < Rinn> Hee hee hee
2008-01-09 18:11 < Rinn> "When is this car allowed to drive?"
2008-01-09 18:11 < gwern> 'when it turns 18 and gets a license'
2008-01-09 18:24 < TheWeasel> When asked fast for a one-digit number, they'll almost always say three or seven
2008-01-09 18:24 < TheWeasel> I think eight is the most rarely mentioned number
2008-01-09 18:25 < TheWeasel> I think the number of factors is inversely proportional to the likelyhood of numbers being mentioned
2008-01-09 18:25 < mavhk> and most numbers start with a 1 in real life, but not in people's choices
2008-01-09 18:25 < TheWeasel> few people would say "48"
2008-01-09 18:26 < TheWeasel> and prime numbers, perhaps some of the most unrandom numbers ever, seem the most random
2008-01-09 18:26 < mavhk> unrandom?
2008-01-09 18:26 < TheWeasel> I think 37 wins in a landslide between 1-100
2008-01-09 18:26 < TheWeasel> Well, if the Riemann hypothesis...
2008-01-09 18:27 < mavhk> there a page on the internet with a list of possible proofs that noone's checked
2008-01-09 18:28 < TheWeasel> Incidentally, 37 contains both three and seven
2008-01-09 18:28 < TheWeasel> weirdly I think 73 would go without mentions
2008-01-09 18:28 < Mercerism> TheWeasel: stop making up crap
2008-01-09 18:29 < TheWeasel> I think when asked to name a number, people will either stay on the fringe or try to place themselves in the center, there's a zone beyond that which is ignored, like 13 between 1 and 100
2008-01-09 18:29 < TheWeasel> maybe just on the left
2008-01-09 18:29 < mavhk> TheWeasel: test your theory then
2008-01-09 18:29 * TheWeasel would, but the streets are empty
2008-01-09 18:29 < mavhk> isn't there already some data to use?
2008-01-09 18:29 < TheWeasel> I dunno
2008-01-09 18:29 < Mercerism> TheWeasel: the russians already tested all these theories about numbers, and they invented russian roulette
2008-01-09 18:30 < TheWeasel> Eh, placement of the bullet?
2008-01-09 18:30 < mavhk> seems more sensible to find a normal roulette wheel
2008-01-09 18:30 < TheWeasel> people will never imagine they could be on position eight of ten
2008-01-09 18:30 < TheWeasel> I don't mean coincidences
2008-01-09 18:31 < TheWeasel> this is psychology
2008-01-09 18:31 < TheWeasel> not math
2008-01-09 18:31 < TheWeasel> it's not probability theory at all
2008-01-09 18:31 < TheWeasel> or only in the means of evaluation
2008-01-09 18:32 < mavhk> Mercerism: that's probably fiction of course
2008-01-09 18:32 < Mercerism> russian roulette is psychology too
2008-01-09 18:33 < Mercerism> if you can convince someone to play a round of russian roulette that person has at least 1/6th chance of dying
2008-01-09 18:33 < Mercerism> you can up the ante so that there are six loaded chambers and one empty
2008-01-09 18:33 < Mercerism> erm
2008-01-09 18:33 < Mercerism> i mean five
2008-01-09 18:33 < Mercerism> 87% chance of fatality
2008-01-09 18:33 < Mercerism> erm
2008-01-09 18:33 < Mercerism> damn its been long since i did math :p
2008-01-09 18:33 < Mercerism> i mean 83%
2008-01-09 18:34 < TheWeasel> Experimente der Verhaltensforschung zeigen die Bevorzugung der Sieben: Die häufigste Antwort auf die Frage nach der Lieblingszahl oder bei der Frage nach einer beliebigen Zahl zwischen Eins und Neun ist die Zahl Sieben. Weil die Farbe „blau“ so häufig als Lieblingsfarbe genannt wird, wird dieses Phänomen auch „blue-seven“-Phänomen genannt.
2008-01-09 18:34 < TheWeasel> too bad it's only in German
2008-01-09 18:35 < TheWeasel> "Experiments in behavioral science show the preference for the number seven. The most frequent answer to the question for a favorite number or to a question for a random number between one and nine is the number seven."
2008-01-09 18:35 < DannyLilithborne> seven's a magical number
2008-01-09 18:35 < Mercerism> TheWeasel: a co-worker told me to watch 2007 horror movie called No country for old men, and as i skipped through a p2p'ed version of the film i saw a scene where the bad guy flips a coin and asks the guy to guess if it is heads or tails, and that if he guesses wrong he dies
2008-01-09 18:35 < DannyLilithborne> full of sweets and joy and ... joyness
2008-01-09 18:36 < Mercerism> do you want to guess whether the guy said heads or said tails?
2008-01-09 18:36 < TheWeasel> Tails will be heavily favored, it seems.
2008-01-09 18:36 < DannyLilithborne> he should have gone indiana and just shot him
2008-01-09 18:36 < Mercerism> lol if i was in that position, i would piss my pants and say neither
2008-01-09 18:37 < Mercerism> did anyone watch No country for old men? i watched a total of like 10 minutes, it was a scary film : [
2008-01-09 18:37 * TheWeasel sticks to his numeral psychology thingy
2008-01-09 18:37 < DannyLilithborne> not big on scary movies ^_^
2008-01-09 18:37 < Mercerism> co worker said it was a mafia movie but all i saw was some crack addict killing random people
2008-01-09 18:37 < MUNCHLAX> goddamn sonic fanboys picking tails
2008-01-09 18:38 < DannyLilithborne> lol
2008-01-09 18:38 < DannyLilithborne> heads I win, tails you lose
2008-01-09 18:38 < DannyLilithborne> people fall for that :\
2008-01-09 18:38 < Rinn> I've had someone fall for that before!
2008-01-09 18:38 < Rinn> They kicked me in the shins.
2008-01-09 18:39 < Mercerism> i glanced at the Atlanta journal constitution newspaper a few days ago and it said on the front page something about two researchers claim violent movies decrease crime, by making would-be killers spend more time at the theatre instead of on the streets raping and murdering
2008-01-09 18:40 < gwern> Mercerism: random people? clearly you didn't watych it very carefully
2008-01-09 18:40 < Mercerism> i mean... that has about as much scientific-ness as TheWeasel 's psychology theories
2008-01-09 18:40 < Mercerism> gwern: i watched like 5-10 minutes clicking through the scary movie
2008-01-09 18:40 < TheWeasel> ah, they even make scary flash animations from the number seven concept
2008-01-09 18:40 < TheWeasel> "You chose seven, right?" is supposed to scare people
2008-01-09 18:41 < Mercerism> why are american movies so bloody
2008-01-09 18:41 < Mike_H> Melissa Aronson, better known as Emme (born 1963) is a plus-size model, and largely recognized as the pioneering model in the profession. She was the first plus-size model to attain supermodel status.[1]
2008-01-09 18:41 < Mike_H> I love these articles
2008-01-09 18:41 < DannyLilithborne> I don't think American movies being bloody is a primary concern
2008-01-09 18:41 * Mike_H edits for grammar
2008-01-09 18:41 < Mercerism> if they didnt want americans to torture people in iraq they shouldn't have shown them so much chuck norris movies
2008-01-09 18:41 < DannyLilithborne> more like why are American movies so bloody *stupid*
2008-01-09 18:41 < Mike_H> "and is largely recognized"
2008-01-09 18:42 < gwern> Mike_H: I always wonder whether people who write those sorts of things do it deliberately
2008-01-09 18:42 < gwern> if that were on reddit, I'd know it was deliberate. but on WP?
2008-01-09 18:42 < Mike_H> What do you mean 'those sorts of things'?
2008-01-09 18:43 * TheWeasel reads an article on the subject
2008-01-09 18:43 < Mercerism> TheWeasel: you know what the flaw is with all your theorizing though?
2008-01-09 18:43 < gwern> not enough facts?
2008-01-09 18:43 < TheWeasel> It's night and I have nobody to test them on?
2008-01-09 18:43 < TheWeasel> I mean, there are plenty of papers out there discussing that stuff
2008-01-09 18:43 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-09 18:44 < TheWeasel> We just need to know the evolutionary benefit of choosing seven.
2008-01-09 18:45 < Mercerism> speculation often crosses the line between fantastic and what is real, and even if your theories are true, a good percentage of people will find your theories to be trippy and simply ignore it so that what you say would be the same as if they were never said
2008-01-09 18:45 < TheWeasel> They look better with footnotes :-)
2008-01-09 18:45 < TheWeasel> and it's fun to discuss them
2008-01-09 18:46 < TheWeasel> like the brain in the vat or what have you
2008-01-09 18:46 < Mercerism> discussion is the first step to censorship
2008-01-09 18:46 < Doc_glasgow> Does anyone here (non-admin) want rollback enabled
2008-01-09 18:46 < TheWeasel> heh, I'm not on that throne
2008-01-09 18:48 < TheWeasel> Dou Lobbs.
2008-01-09 18:48 < TheWeasel> o.o
2008-01-09 18:49 * Rinn lobs douls
2008-01-09 18:51 < TheWeasel> See, John McCain is the new Barbie Ken
2008-01-09 18:51 < TheWeasel> judging by his wife
2008-01-09 18:51 < Mercerism> when are they going to showcase the inventions of presidential candidates?
2008-01-09 18:51 < Mercerism> i miss when al gore presented the internet
2008-01-09 18:51 < shimgray> Mercerism: One US president has a patent. Guess which.
2008-01-09 18:51 < Mercerism> hello, my name is ron paul, and i invented the telecommunications line
2008-01-09 18:51 < shimgray> s/has/had/
2008-01-09 18:51 < Mercerism> shimgray: president bush
2008-01-09 18:52 < shimgray> Lincoln.
2008-01-09 18:52 < Mercerism> no u lie many american presidents were inventors
2008-01-09 18:52 < shimgray> nary a patent, though
2008-01-09 18:52 < gwern> I love some trippy proposals you see, especially from economics
2008-01-09 18:52 < mavhk> they invented the war on terror
2008-01-09 18:52 < shimgray> for real inventive skill, you need someone like Truman
2008-01-09 18:52 < gwern> for example, a tax on the tall is apparently an efficient Pigovian tax
2008-01-09 18:52 < quanticle> shimgray: What did Lincoln invent?
2008-01-09 18:53 < shimgray> who managed to run his business at a loss despite - it seems - the entire population of Kansas City later confessing to having been lifelong dedicated customers
2008-01-09 18:53 < TheWeasel> Ron Paul has invented the Real F*cking Bad Money Theory
2008-01-09 18:53 < shimgray> quanticle: Some kind of apparatus for lifting boats off/over sandbanks, I think
2008-01-09 18:53 < mavhk> he invented the tide? sweet
2008-01-09 18:53 < TheWeasel> whoa
2008-01-09 18:54 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Ron Paul's stance re gold standard scares the living daylinghts out of me
2008-01-09 18:54 < shimgray> no, you need President Canute for that
2008-01-09 18:54 < gwern> back then, everyone invented something
2008-01-09 18:54 < Mike_H> Anna Bayle (born 1959) is a Filipino supermodel dubbed as the first Asian "supermodel".
2008-01-09 18:54 < gwern> quanticle: what's so bad about a gold standard, besides the tedious business of trucking gold back and forth between countries?
2008-01-09 18:54 < gwern> Mike_H: those articles are so useless without pics
2008-01-09 18:54 < shimgray> (incidentally, Truman's running his old business at a loss produced one of the finest footnotes I've ever seen in political history)
2008-01-09 18:54 < Mike_H> gwern: If you search "Anna Bayle," she still looks pretty good
2008-01-09 18:55 < shimgray> (the conclusion that whilst he was elected by a corruptly-run machine, he was probably honest himself - if he hadn't been, he probably would've remembered to fiddle the books)
2008-01-09 18:55 < TheWeasel> Next thing you know, he will say "our foreign entanglements" extend to airplanes that can cross oceans.
2008-01-09 18:55 < Mike_H> She started modeling in the Philippines in 1975
2008-01-09 18:55 < gwern> shimgray: lol
2008-01-09 18:55 < Mike_H> and then by 1981 she was called New York's "Face of the '80s."
2008-01-09 18:55 < mavhk> gold isn't worth much anyway
2008-01-09 18:55 < Mike_H> She retired in 1994, still in high demand, which is rare for models as their work usually tapers off as they get older.
2008-01-09 18:56 < MessedRocker> mavhk yes it is
2008-01-09 18:56 < mavhk> you want to invest in all those elements used in LCDs and stuff that will run out in 10 years
2008-01-09 18:56 < MessedRocker> like what
2008-01-09 18:56 < gwern> 'In the long run, of course, the facts will find you out. But who cares? We all know what we are in the long run. ' <-- keynes's quote will outlive us all
2008-01-09 18:56 < shimgray> the gold standard is a very elegant idea, but we're not in the late nineteenth century any more
2008-01-09 18:56 < MessedRocker> petroleum?
2008-01-09 18:56 < gwern> mavhk: sure, only like 800-900 dollars a troy ounce or something
2008-01-09 18:56 < TheWeasel> Ron Paul got his monetary policy out of Age of Empires
2008-01-09 18:57 < gwern> that's not a lot. why, tritium is in the dozens of thousands of dollars range!
2008-01-09 18:57 < mavhk> there was a new scientist article about it, there's about 10 elements we're running out of, stuff for catalytic convertors, computers, screens
2008-01-09 18:57 < mavhk> TheWeasel: classic
2008-01-09 18:57 < gwern> TheWeasel: it'd have to be the Imperial age then, since we researched Coinage and Cartography a while ago
2008-01-09 18:57 < Mike_H> gwern: Christie Brinkley still looks good, speaking of supermodels
2008-01-09 18:57 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-09 18:57 < TheWeasel> for the first time in the time I own it, I wish my laptop were warmer
2008-01-09 18:58 < Mike_H> but I think she's had work done
2008-01-09 18:58 < Mike_H> she'll be 54 in February
2008-01-09 18:58 < quanticle> gwern: Its a solution looking for a problem that would unnecessarily constrain the government's ability to deal with monetary issues. It wouldn't solve inflation, it wouldn't add any value to our currency. At worst, it would cause a deflationary trend that would lead to a Japan-style recession.
2008-01-09 18:58 < TheWeasel> Well, gold is jolly useless in the early ages
2008-01-09 18:58 < TheWeasel> thats more the Pol Pot thing
2008-01-09 18:59 < gwern> quanticle: how would a gold standard not solve inflation? gold isn't being dug up *that* fast
2008-01-09 18:59 < Mercerism> what scares me about ron paul's goldbacked money is that money has been unbacked except by american labor for a century, why should we repay the debt we've accumulated with real gold /now/ ? i would rather print more money to pay it off and then go on gold
2008-01-09 19:00 < mavhk> no point discussing economics with the general public
2008-01-09 19:00 < TheWeasel> it's a shock measure in a working monetary system, bad idea
2008-01-09 19:00 < scx> hello
2008-01-09 19:00 < quanticle> gwern: It wouldn't solve inflation because only America would be on the gold standard. Other currencies would float against gold, rather than the dollar, and we would be right back to where we started.
2008-01-09 19:01 < Seddon> printing more money doesnt change nething
2008-01-09 19:01 < Seddon> it just makes inflation worse
2008-01-09 19:01 < TheWeasel> Infuhlation
2008-01-09 19:01 < mavhk> as economists don't agree on what causes inflation we're all screwed
2008-01-09 19:02 < gwern> quanticle: it'd be fine for dollar holders though, and whoever else is holding gold-backed currencies (iirc don't the swiss and south africans have such currencies?)
2008-01-09 19:02 < Mercerism> thats because economists like their paychecks
2008-01-09 19:02 < scx> have anyone access to britannica encyklopedia?
2008-01-09 19:02 < quanticle> gwern: Nope. No industrialized nation has enough gold anymore to back its currency.
2008-01-09 19:02 < quanticle> gwern: Well, the Swiss might
2008-01-09 19:02 < TheWeasel> Oh dude, Bushite jingoism is back
2008-01-09 19:03 < gwern> quanticle: so? it might take a while, but you could put them back into balance
2008-01-09 19:03 < gwern> each dollar would just be worth a teensy tiny bit of gold...
2008-01-09 19:04 < Mercerism> americans dont know what real wealth is they just buy whats on tv
2008-01-09 19:04 < scx> can anyone say me "religion shares" in Christmas Island; sorry for my bad English. but it isn't my native language
2008-01-09 19:04 < mavhk> there's not enough gold in the world
2008-01-09 19:04 < TheWeasel> it's a desaster for monetary flexibility
2008-01-09 19:05 < TheWeasel> and navigationability
2008-01-09 19:05 < quanticle> gwern: That's just the point. The only thing holding up the dollar (or any other modern currency for that matter) is confidence. Moving to a gold standard would be a signal that the government no longer has confidence in its currency and the value of the dollar would crash.
2008-01-09 19:05 < gwern> scx: what? I don't understand what you're trying to say
2008-01-09 19:05 < gwern> quanticle: all bubbles pop sooner or later
2008-01-09 19:06 < scx> i looking for religions on Christmas Island; (for egzample: "Buddhism 30%, Christianity 130%, Islam 30% and others 30%")
2008-01-09 19:06 < quanticle> gwern: Right, but the dollar should be allowed to depreciate slowly, like it is currently doing, rather than with a massive crash
2008-01-09 19:06 < scx> gwern: ^^
2008-01-09 19:06 < Mercerism> why are you guys so afraid of economy crashes?
2008-01-09 19:06 < Mercerism> when there is an economic collapse do apple trees stop growing?
2008-01-09 19:06 < TheWeasel> scx: the australian one?
2008-01-09 19:06 < quanticle> Mercerism: People starve and that tends to lead to lots of violence
2008-01-09 19:07 < Mercerism> people starve because they are too stupid to grow food
2008-01-09 19:07 < TheWeasel> 35% Buddhist, 25% Muslim, Christianity 18%, Taoism 15%
2008-01-09 19:07 < TheWeasel> Growing food in a city is somewhat difficult
2008-01-09 19:07 < gwern> TheWeasel: that's a lot of Taoism
2008-01-09 19:08 < Rinn> [[Image:Cococrb2.jpg]] Good God
2008-01-09 19:08 < TheWeasel> Many Chinese, presumably
2008-01-09 19:08 < Warpath> there are no christians on Christmas Island ;)
2008-01-09 19:08 < scx> "Wyspa Bożego Narodzenia" ("Terytorium Wyspy Bożego Narodzenia"; ang.: "Christmas Island", "Territory of Christmas Island") http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Christmas_Island_Map.png/250px-Christmas_Island_Map.png
2008-01-09 19:08 < scx> TheWeasel: ^^
2008-01-09 19:08 < Warpath> like there are no Virgins on Virgin Island XD XD
2008-01-09 19:08 < gwern> Mercerism: yes, they do. producing enough food for 7 billion people only works because of massive technological and economic investment dating back thousands of years
2008-01-09 19:08 < quanticle> Mercerism: There isn't enough land for everyone to grow their own food
2008-01-09 19:08 < TheWeasel> scx: Is that good?
2008-01-09 19:09 < Mercerism> there is plenty of land
2008-01-09 19:09 < scx> TheWeasel: are you sure?
2008-01-09 19:09 < gwern> the intricate infrastructure absolutely necessitates a functioning economy
2008-01-09 19:09 < TheWeasel> Warpath: Even though they're quite some distance from the Isle of Man
2008-01-09 19:09 < Mercerism> this earth is rich and bountiful
2008-01-09 19:09 < quanticle> Mercerism: Most of it is absolutely unusable for agriculture
2008-01-09 19:09 < TheWeasel> scx: Yes, quite.
2008-01-09 19:09 < Mercerism> lies lies lies
2008-01-09 19:09 < scx> see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christmas_Island&diff=135805454&oldid=135520278 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christmas_Island&diff=152301555&oldid=151905841
2008-01-09 19:09 < scx> TheWeasel: ^^
2008-01-09 19:09 < quanticle> Mercerism: Ok, Mr. Bountiful Earth. Lets see you feed yourself for a year without going to the store
2008-01-09 19:09 < Mercerism> next you are going to tell me i cant drink ocean water
2008-01-09 19:09 < TheWeasel> Man-made desertification is probably the biggest cause for starvation.
2008-01-09 19:10 < scx> can you write source?
2008-01-09 19:10 < quanticle> Mercerism: Heh. You broke my sarcasm detector
2008-01-09 19:10 < TheWeasel> quanticle: In a world where everything usable is owned by someone else
2008-01-09 19:10 * quanticle got trolled hard
2008-01-09 19:10 * TheWeasel has the coldest feet currently in existence, including penguin ones
2008-01-09 19:11 < Mercerism> im half troll half chatter, like a chess bishop that switches colors
2008-01-09 19:11 < scx> TheWeasel: can you show me source?
2008-01-09 19:11 < TheWeasel> it would be stupid to switch colors if you still got the second bishop
2008-01-09 19:11 < TheWeasel> scx: I got it from de.wikipedia
2008-01-09 19:12 < TheWeasel> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kt.html#People
2008-01-09 19:12 < TheWeasel> scx: Try this
2008-01-09 19:13 < scx> TheWeasel: thx, i already read this (cia factbook)
2008-01-09 19:13 < TheWeasel> right, did you find it this time?
2008-01-09 19:14 < scx> Buddhist 36% (CIA) vs 75 (en wikipedia)
2008-01-09 19:15 < scx> TheWeasel: ok, thx; so in English Wikipedia there are a bug?
2008-01-09 19:18 < TheWeasel> sorry, I was away
2008-01-09 19:18 < TheWeasel> why?
2008-01-09 19:18 < TheWeasel> possibly
2008-01-09 19:18 < TheWeasel> CIA is a reasonably good reference
2008-01-09 19:19 < scx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Island#People "Religions practised on Christmas Island include Buddhism 75%, Christianity 12%, Islam 7% and others 4%."
2008-01-09 19:19 < TheWeasel> hm
2008-01-09 19:19 < TheWeasel> maybe they got bunches of immigrants?
2008-01-09 19:20 < scx> others sources report Buddhism about 36% OR 55% (probably with taoizm - 15% <- 1991)
2008-01-09 19:20 < TheWeasel> thats odd
2008-01-09 19:20 < Mercerism> im going to petition the CIA to enter Mercerism as a new religion
2008-01-09 19:20 < TheWeasel> yea, even though Taoism can be random things only vaguely related to Buddhism
2008-01-09 19:21 < scx> but 36+15 = 51, not 75
2008-01-09 19:21 < Mercerism> not 55 u mean
2008-01-09 19:22 < Xihix> Anyone wanna tell me if my article is looking good so far?
2008-01-09 19:22 < Seddon> yer kk
2008-01-09 19:22 < scx> Mercerism: en wikipedia report 75%
2008-01-09 19:22 < Mercerism> im going to write an article on Mercerism
2008-01-09 19:22 < Mercerism> wikipedia is out of its mind
2008-01-09 19:22 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAReqHYJEo
2008-01-09 19:22 < TheWeasel> not now
2008-01-09 19:22 < quanticle> Is Mercerism similar to mercenarism?
2008-01-09 19:23 < Mike_H> bumm13: watch that link
2008-01-09 19:23 < Mercerism> no
2008-01-09 19:23 < scx> (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christmas_Island&diff=135805454&oldid=135520278 <-- see it; IP 58.186.224.170 was probably from Vietnam
2008-01-09 19:23 < Mercerism> mercerism is about finding true fusion with wilbur mercer, the founder of mercerism
2008-01-09 19:25 < Mercerism> mercer had the ability to regenerate organic life but then they irradiated that part of his brain which gave him that ability and he struggles in the "tombworld" crawling his way back to life and he must climb while his adversaries throw stones at him from ambush to injure him
2008-01-09 19:25 < Xihix> Someone help meeeeee...
2008-01-09 19:25 < Xihix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_City_of_New_York_vs._Homer_Simpson < does the article look FA ready?
2008-01-09 19:25 * soufron hello
2008-01-09 19:31 < gwern> ot
2008-01-09 19:32 < quanticle> Question for the group: Is mediawiki coded in PHP?
2008-01-09 19:32 < Seddon> no, for an article of that size, 17 sources isnt much
2008-01-09 19:32 < gwern> it's impressive how cheap some computer gear is these days. I just bought an 8-port network switch for 13$ (excluding shipping)
2008-01-09 19:33 < VoxRationis> quanticle: as far as I can remember, yes
2008-01-09 19:33 < gwern> quanticle: what else would it be in?
2008-01-09 19:33 < mavhk> gwern: it's because they grow them in poor living conditions, buy free range hardware
2008-01-09 19:33 < quanticle> gwern: Perl, python, or any one of the myriad other web programming languages out there
2008-01-09 19:33 < quanticle> gwern: Ruby
2008-01-09 19:33 < Scott5114> Wow. Requests for rollback is *fast*.
2008-01-09 19:34 < VoxRationis> yeah, mostly cause its so new, so a lot of admins are patrolling it
2008-01-09 19:34 < Krimpet> [[WP:WALMART]]. always rolling back edits. always.(tm)
2008-01-09 19:35 < gwern> mavhk: I don't mind. tastes as good
2008-01-09 19:35 < gwern> wait, what?
2008-01-09 19:35 < Scott5114> I think two minutes is the fastest I've ever seen a process move
2008-01-09 19:36 < gwern> oh wow! rollback for users finally got approved!
2008-01-09 19:36 < gwern> astounding
2008-01-09 19:36 * gwern goes to sign up
2008-01-09 19:36 < NotACow> gwern: the devs turned it on without any process
2008-01-09 19:36 < VoxRationis> krimpet, humorous, but necessary? might be speedied
2008-01-09 19:36 < gwern> NotACow: well, that explains it
2008-01-09 19:37 < Krimpet> VoxRationis: ...there's a _lot_ of "unnecessary" project space stuff
2008-01-09 19:37 < VoxRationis> Krimpet: I'm not goingto speedy it, but don't be surprised if someone else does
2008-01-09 19:38 < Krimpet> [[Wikipedia:What The Fuck? Oh My God! Too Many Damn Three Letter Acronyms. ARRRGGGHHH!!!!~!@!~1`2]] has lasted markedly long...
2008-01-09 19:38 < gwern> Krimpet: unecessary? never!
2008-01-09 19:40 < quanticle> So how does one request the power of rollback
2008-01-09 19:40 < gwern> quanticle: easily, it seems
2008-01-09 19:42 < mavhk> as easily as the power of love?
2008-01-09 19:44 < NotACow> THE POWER OF LUUUUUUUUUUV
2008-01-09 19:44 * NotACow would ask for rollback except she doesn't see any fucking point to it
2008-01-09 19:45 * Messedrocker gives NotACow a messedhat
2008-01-09 19:48 < Dtobias> THE POWER OF MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2008-01-09 19:48 < The359> MOAR POWAH
2008-01-09 19:48 < Mike_H> NotACow: uh
2008-01-09 19:48 < Mike_H> you're not doing it right
2008-01-09 19:48 < Mike_H> it's
2008-01-09 19:48 < Mike_H> DA PAHWAH OF LUUUUUUUUUUUUUURVE
2008-01-09 19:49 < NotACow> Mike_H: i yield to your greater sense of fabulosity.
2008-01-09 19:49 < NotACow> Dtobias: MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
2008-01-09 19:50 < Dtobias> Moo goo gai pan!
2008-01-09 19:50 < NotACow> Dtobias: ugh, now i'm beat.
2008-01-09 19:50 < NotACow> do you feel like a vegetable?
2008-01-09 19:50 < The359> Needs moar goo
2008-01-09 19:50 < Dtobias> As long as it's not broccoli or cauliflower.
2008-01-09 19:51 < Dtobias> Maybe I'm a zucchini.
2008-01-09 19:52 * TheWeasel is a kumquat, also a sinequat
2008-01-09 19:52 < TheWeasel> that's Hegel ...
2008-01-09 19:55 < NotACow> who here wants to be burned in my fireplace tonight?
2008-01-09 19:55 * Messedrocker volunteers some evidence
2008-01-09 19:56 < gwern> NotACow: go to #gay and ask for some faggots
2008-01-09 19:59 < Dtobias> DEATH TO THE CABAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-01-09 20:02 < quanticle> Dtobias: TINC
2008-01-09 20:03 < Dtobias> DEATH TO ANYONE WHO SAYS TINC!!!!!
2008-01-09 20:03 < Dtobias> KILL ALL HUMANS!
2008-01-09 20:03 < Dtobias> KILL EVERYBODY WHO WRITES IN ALL UPPPER CASE!!!!!
2008-01-09 20:03 < Dtobias> KILL EVERYONE WHO USES EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-01-09 20:04 < Crimedog> Sounds like Dan has joined the Vogons
2008-01-09 20:04 < quanticle> KILL EVERYONE WHO USES A KEYBOARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2008-01-09 20:04 < Dtobias> KILL ALL ROBOTS!!!!
2008-01-09 20:04 < JonathanD> Dtobias: spose you could stop?
2008-01-09 20:05 < Random832> DEATH TO DTOBIAS!!!!!!
2008-01-09 20:05 < JonathanD> heh.
2008-01-09 20:07 < Crimedog> Yea, stop before we send you top posted email formatted with HTML lite
2008-01-09 20:07 < LOTofLOLS> Im going to go vandalize uncyclopedia.
2008-01-09 20:07 < LOTofLOLS> I kind of want help
2008-01-09 20:08 < TheWeasel> Heh... Immanuel Kant pwning his conservative critics
2008-01-09 20:08 * ST47 waves
2008-01-09 20:08 < ST47> What just happened?
2008-01-09 20:08 < LOTofLOLS> Can I ask one of the wikipedia vandals to help me?
2008-01-09 20:08 < TheWeasel> Essay On Those Who Hold The Opinion That Older Theories Automatically Abrogate New Ones
2008-01-09 20:09 < ST47> Stop trolling ,please :)
2008-01-09 20:09 < Mercerism> go to sleep
2008-01-09 20:09 < LOTofLOLS> Im NOT TROLLING
2008-01-09 20:10 < LOTofLOLS> Uncyclpedia is retarted
2008-01-09 20:10 < TheWeasel> *d
2008-01-09 20:10 < ST47> 'retarded'?
2008-01-09 20:10 < LOTofLOLS> they wont listen to me
2008-01-09 20:10 < ST47> 'Uncyclopedia'?
2008-01-09 20:10 < LOTofLOLS> ya
2008-01-09 20:10 < ST47> 'won't'?
2008-01-09 20:10 < ST47> I can't imagine why.
2008-01-09 20:10 < LOTofLOLS> I wrote something and now I want it deleted and they wont do it
2008-01-09 20:11 < ST47> How sad.
2008-01-09 20:11 < LOTofLOLS> So im going to vandalize them.
2008-01-09 20:11 < LOTofLOLS> so bad
2008-01-09 20:11 < ST47> Can you go tell them, rather than us?
2008-01-09 20:11 < LOTofLOLS> I have an Ip generator so I can do it for ever.
2008-01-09 20:11 < ST47> Because we really don't care.
2008-01-09 20:11 < Dtobias> Change it so it's all about Daniel Brandt, then he'll insist that it be deleted.
2008-01-09 20:12 < LOTofLOLS> It is crap it is Mr Winkler is gay
2008-01-09 20:13 < TheWeasel> LOTofLOLS: Not that again
2008-01-09 20:13 * ST47 waits for his cronjob to execute
2008-01-09 20:13 < TheWeasel> Go to bed.
2008-01-09 20:13 < Dtobias> [[Henry Winkler]], The Fonz? I don't think he's gay.
2008-01-09 20:13 < LOTofLOLS> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Mr_winkler_is_GAY
2008-01-09 20:13 < LOTofLOLS> no that
2008-01-09 20:13 * quanticle wonders how LOTofLOLS got past the bans on all variations of his name
2008-01-09 20:13 < LOTofLOLS> Ip generator.
2008-01-09 20:14 * Mike_H watches news stories from 1989 about the Berlin Wall
2008-01-09 20:14 < quanticle> Right, but you still shouldn't be able to get in here with an username with the words LOT and LOL in it...
2008-01-09 20:14 < quanticle> I wonder if that ban expired
2008-01-09 20:14 < LOTofLOLS> Iv been banned 60 times from uncyclopedias one
2008-01-09 20:14 < LOTofLOLS> Well I got around it because im awsome.
2008-01-09 20:14 < ST47> "IP generator" - these words do not make sense. You can't just make up an IP. You can use a proxy, you can change your IP, but you can't generate one.
2008-01-09 20:14 < TheWeasel> LOTofLOLS: We heard it before, it stopped being interesting and significant for a long time.
2008-01-09 20:14 < Random832> ST47: you can with IPv6
2008-01-09 20:15 < ST47> Now, do you have anything consturctive?
2008-01-09 20:15 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: I have a question
2008-01-09 20:15 < Dtobias> I pee into a urinal.
2008-01-09 20:15 < Mike_H> Dtobias: good job.
2008-01-09 20:15 < TheWeasel> Mike_H: Go ahead
2008-01-09 20:15 < Mike_H> In this video here
2008-01-09 20:15 < Mike_H> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=wnYXbJ_bcLc
2008-01-09 20:15 < Random832> don't they give IPv6 users a block of 1024 billion IPs to play with?
2008-01-09 20:15 < ST47> Random832: Thanks for being helpful :)
2008-01-09 20:15 < Mike_H> there's a clip of East Germans like
2008-01-09 20:15 < Mike_H> waving on a train as they're leaving, what I'm assuming to be East Germany
2008-01-09 20:15 < Mike_H> That just seems weird to me, like they wouldn't be allowed to do that or something
2008-01-09 20:15 < Mike_H> Do you know where that clip comes from?
2008-01-09 20:16 < Random832> Mike_H: leaving where to?
2008-01-09 20:16 < quanticle> Mike_H: The fall of the Berlin Wall?
2008-01-09 20:16 < TheWeasel> Thats the fence from Hungary to Austria.
2008-01-09 20:16 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: No
2008-01-09 20:16 < Mike_H> after that
2008-01-09 20:16 < Mike_H> it's a train
2008-01-09 20:16 < TheWeasel> oh
2008-01-09 20:16 < Mike_H> and people waving
2008-01-09 20:16 < LOTofLOLS> Random832 i have enough
2008-01-09 20:16 < TheWeasel> probably out of Prague
2008-01-09 20:16 < TheWeasel> into Bavaria
2008-01-09 20:16 < TheWeasel> yea, classic one
2008-01-09 20:16 < Random832> Prague is not in germany at all
2008-01-09 20:16 < Pilotguy> Wait what's this about Germany and trains?
2008-01-09 20:16 < Random832> and Bavaria is not in east germany
2008-01-09 20:16 < TheWeasel> Random832: Neither is Bavaria :-P
2008-01-09 20:16 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: It's a Primetime Live news bulletin
2008-01-09 20:16 < Mike_H> the narrator is [[Charles Gibson]]
2008-01-09 20:16 < Random832> TheWeasel: huh?
2008-01-09 20:16 < Mike_H> wait, no
2008-01-09 20:17 < Mike_H> it's [[Peter Jennings]]
2008-01-09 20:17 < Random832> Bavaria is in germany - it was in west germany
2008-01-09 20:17 < Mike_H> I should have recognized the voice
2008-01-09 20:17 < TheWeasel> it's a summary of events a couple of months apart.
2008-01-09 20:17 < TheWeasel> Bavaria would like to be independent
2008-01-09 20:17 < TheWeasel> we call it independent as a joke sometimes
2008-01-09 20:17 < TheWeasel> (the independence movement was significant after the war, no longer, to be honest)
2008-01-09 20:18 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: But it's weird to hear former East Germans say they want to go back to that
2008-01-09 20:18 < Mike_H> that's craziness to me
2008-01-09 20:18 < quanticle> TheWeasel: You mean like the independence movement in Corsica or Quebec?
2008-01-09 20:18 < TheWeasel> Mike_H: It's a West German train that got people out of Prague into northern Bavaria
2008-01-09 20:18 < TheWeasel> It is.
2008-01-09 20:18 < Mike_H> oh, okay
2008-01-09 20:18 < LOTofLOLS> WELL SCREW YOU!
2008-01-09 20:18 < TheWeasel> but there's a lot of unemployment, and some counties in the northeast have lost half their population
2008-01-09 20:18 < Random832> wasn't hitler's original plan to take over bavaria and secede?
2008-01-09 20:18 < TheWeasel> Well, no
2008-01-09 20:18 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: My friend Gretchen could understand how socialism worked better than democracy, but if she were to decide which one she liked better, she wouldn't pick East Germany again
2008-01-09 20:19 < TheWeasel> the Beer Hall Putsch targeted Berlin
2008-01-09 20:19 < quanticle> Random832: No. I thought Hitler's original plan was to take over Austria and the rest of the world
2008-01-09 20:19 < TheWeasel> even though it took place in Munich
2008-01-09 20:19 < Random832> Munich is in Bavaria, isn't it?
2008-01-09 20:19 < Juliancolton> I think so
2008-01-09 20:19 < TheWeasel> East Germany was comfortable if you didn't need much.
2008-01-09 20:19 < TheWeasel> and weren't political
2008-01-09 20:19 < hghjghjg> Can do this all day
2008-01-09 20:19 < quanticle> Mike_H: Socialism and democracy are not necessarily opposed. Scandinavian countries practice socialism, and they manage to retain democracy
2008-01-09 20:20 < hghjghjg> dont ban me
2008-01-09 20:20 < Dtobias> Socialism is shit!!!!!!
2008-01-09 20:20 < TheWeasel> quanticle: Having seen the Eastern Bloc, I wouldn't call the Swedish model socialism at all
2008-01-09 20:20 < quanticle> ST47: Don't ban me bro!! :)
2008-01-09 20:20 < TheWeasel> there's no mass nationalization
2008-01-09 20:20 < Mike_H> Dtobias: Are you drunk?
2008-01-09 20:20 < ST47> There, fixed.
2008-01-09 20:21 < Dtobias> No, just blowing off steam.
2008-01-09 20:21 < Mike_H> okay.
2008-01-09 20:21 < TheWeasel> people often make the mistake of equalizing social benefits with socialism
2008-01-09 20:21 < TheWeasel> it's only a small part
2008-01-09 20:21 < Mike_H> quanticle: Yeah, I was talking about the kind of socialism where you're not allowed to leave and stuff.
2008-01-09 20:21 < Mike_H> unless it's to countries where it's even more disgusting, like Mozambique, or Bulgaria
2008-01-09 20:22 < TheWeasel> I wouldn't call Bulgaria disgusting
2008-01-09 20:22 < White_Cat> I would
2008-01-09 20:22 < Mike_H> if you were comparing East Germany and Bulgaria, which would be grosser?
2008-01-09 20:22 < TheWeasel> they earned quite a bit of money from tourism
2008-01-09 20:22 < White_Cat> All countries are disgusting
2008-01-09 20:22 < White_Cat> go UFP!
2008-01-09 20:22 < TheWeasel> The same question could be applied to a comparison between Sweden and Switzerland
2008-01-09 20:22 < Mike_H> Wasn't Bulgaria the poorest country behind the Iron Curtain, save for Albania?
2008-01-09 20:23 < White_Cat> Mike_H no they werent
2008-01-09 20:23 < TheWeasel> probably, though Albanians were Maoists
2008-01-09 20:23 < TheWeasel> and not technically part of the Brezhnev doctrine
2008-01-09 20:23 < TheWeasel> Romania was probably poorer in the late 80s
2008-01-09 20:23 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: and even they split with China in '78
2008-01-09 20:23 < White_Cat> the poorest one in the iron curtain was the one not bordering the west
2008-01-09 20:23 < Mike_H> White_Cat: The one not bordering the West? What? Poland?
2008-01-09 20:23 < White_Cat> poland was qite poor
2008-01-09 20:24 < Mike_H> In the 1980s, yeah