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2008-01-09 09:22 < AzaTht> TheWeasel: there is one known cabal
2008-01-09 09:22 < AzaTht> one true cabal
2008-01-09 09:23 < TheWeasel> there you go
2008-01-09 09:23 < AzaTht> medcab
2008-01-09 09:23 < Tony_Sidaway> MONGO has tended to be isolated by his politics (somewhat more conservative than most Wikipedians) and his tendency to wade into areas that bring him into contact with conspriacty theorists and the like.
2008-01-09 09:23 < Triona> ED is one big collection of personal attacks.
2008-01-09 09:23 < Dtobias> MONGO gets in league with all the other jerks to insist that strict link bans be maintained.
2008-01-09 09:24 < AzaTht> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDCAB
2008-01-09 09:24 * TheWeasel doesn't really see a scenario where an ED link would be needed
2008-01-09 09:24 < Tony_Sidaway> He did some pretty good work with the pseudo-science and 9/11 articles.
2008-01-09 09:24 < Triona> Anything that'd we'd consider suitable for inclusion from ED, is bound to be an oversight on their part. :P
2008-01-09 09:24 < Tony_Sidaway> Nothing in ED can be regarded as reliable (any more than any other wiki).
2008-01-09 09:25 < TheWeasel> AzaTht: That's arbitration, not conspiracy :-)
2008-01-09 09:25 < Triona> (And would be likely to #REDIRECT the next day to images of Penises )
2008-01-09 09:25 < Tony_Sidaway> It would be like liinking to a Wikipedia article as a reference.
2008-01-09 09:25 < TheWeasel> Ah, Wikipedia, the meagre parody of Uncyclopedia
2008-01-09 09:27 < AzaTht> The359: hehe
2008-01-09 09:27 < AzaTht> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:sv:en:Foo
2008-01-09 09:27 < AzaTht> "Iceweasel has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete."
2008-01-09 09:27 < AzaTht> hehe
2008-01-09 09:28 < Luna-San> XD
2008-01-09 09:30 < TheWeasel> Truly bilingual though
2008-01-09 09:30 < Dtobias> "The clique" means everybody who disagrees with me.... and the world would be a better place if they were all executed by lethal injection.
2008-01-09 09:30 < TheWeasel> Schrodinger's Cat bilingual
2008-01-09 09:31 < Luna-San> Dtobias: If you can't beat em, euthanize em? :x
2008-01-09 09:31 < kila> ehehehe
2008-01-09 09:31 < TheWeasel> Bush and Shimon Peres doing sweet nothings
2008-01-09 09:32 * TheWeasel is off to include into WP how we're ALL FOOLED by the government about crop circles
2008-01-09 09:33 * Triona stands ready to throw TheWeasel on AIV :P
2008-01-09 09:34 < TheWeasel> See, all conspiracies are true, especially Wikipedia's, specifically against me.
2008-01-09 09:34 < Dtobias> Anyway, all the clique jerks keep citing the MONGO ArbCom decision about ED as Argument from Authority... all the ArbCom members responsible for that decision (which laid the groundwork for BADSITES) should be executed by slow torture.
2008-01-09 09:35 < thedj> everything that participated in laying groundwork for BADSITES should :P
2008-01-09 09:39 < bainer> that finding was repeatedly overstated, and exaggerated well beyond its original scope.
2008-01-09 09:40 < bainer> this is perhaps one of the weaknesses of the current arbitration decision format, that items are often read independently when they're intended to be read together
2008-01-09 09:40 < Sfan00> bainer: Can I make an observation here
2008-01-09 09:40 < Sfan00> ?
2008-01-09 09:40 < bainer> go for it
2008-01-09 09:40 < Sfan00> In relation to Arbcom, someone needs to collate the Arbcom precdents (non binding of course)
2008-01-09 09:41 < Sfan00> So that future cases can draw on them
2008-01-09 09:41 < bainer> there are no precedents. past decisions are considered to be persuasive, not binding
2008-01-09 09:42 < Sfan00> bainer: True, but it would be useufl to have some collation of what 'wiki-law' is :)
2008-01-09 09:42 < bainer> but you're right that nicely polished wordings are drawn on often
2008-01-09 09:42 < Sfan00> I am not the person to collate, I haven't worked with 'legal' writing ever
2008-01-09 09:48 * Mahlzahn waves in greeting
2008-01-09 09:53 < TheWeasel> "In November, he defeated Democrat, Phyllis Busansky."
2008-01-09 09:53 < TheWeasel> another comma that makes me unhappy
2008-01-09 09:54 < TheWeasel> For good reason?
2008-01-09 09:54 < bainer> I too dislike comma abuse
2008-01-09 09:55 < bainer> really neither of those are necessary
2008-01-09 09:55 < TheWeasel> no, the first one is right
2008-01-09 09:55 < TheWeasel> and uncontroversial
2008-01-09 09:55 < TheWeasel> The second is ugly
2008-01-09 09:56 < TheWeasel> But I don't know if it's wrong
2008-01-09 09:57 < bainer> it is wrong. "Democrat Phyllis Busansky" is the object of the sentence
2008-01-09 09:57 < TheWeasel> yep
2008-01-09 09:57 < TheWeasel> but an exceedingly common mistake
2008-01-09 09:57 < bainer> if it were "In November, he defeated the Democratic candidate, Phyllis Busansky" that would be fine
2008-01-09 09:58 < TheWeasel> yea, thats the differentiation in English
2008-01-09 09:58 < nazgjunk> just kick out both commas :D
2008-01-09 09:58 < TheWeasel> In Germany, there would be no comma there either
2008-01-09 09:58 < TheWeasel> both sentences would receive no commas at all, despite a similar structure
2008-01-09 09:59 < TheWeasel> so to me, English uses lots of them, and I don't know what's just redundant and what's wrong
2008-01-09 10:00 * thedj hates his WoW playing flatmates....
2008-01-09 10:01 < TheWeasel> Im November besiegte er die Demokratin Phyllis Busansky
2008-01-09 10:01 < TheWeasel> hah, maybe it's because of the subject-verb inversion
2008-01-09 10:01 < quanticle> Neither comma is necessary. You don't need a pause between "In November" and "he defeated"
2008-01-09 10:03 < TheWeasel> it's a chopped-off adverbial
2008-01-09 10:03 < TheWeasel> like Meanwhile, ...
2008-01-09 10:03 < TheWeasel> English puts commas there
2008-01-09 10:03 < TheWeasel> it's not just about breathing stops
2008-01-09 10:03 < bainer> TheWeasel: English is to human languages as PHP is to programming languages. it's poorly typed
2008-01-09 10:04 < TheWeasel> It's a language
2008-01-09 10:04 < TheWeasel> :-(
2008-01-09 10:04 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-09 10:04 < bainer> compare Latin, say, which is like C++
2008-01-09 10:04 < TheWeasel> And I like chaos in languages, to a degree
2008-01-09 10:04 < bainer> you often need commas in English to tell whether a noun is the subject or the object of a sentence
2008-01-09 10:04 < TheWeasel> yea, you gotta know whether you want a rules-heavy language with little chaos or a simply-ruled language with lots of chaos
2008-01-09 10:05 < TheWeasel> (that's why English is difficult, it's just bad English that's easy)
2008-01-09 10:05 < bainer> you don't if the sentence is straightforward, because one of the few clear rules English has is subject->verb->object
2008-01-09 10:06 < TheWeasel> Now, having said that... :-P
2008-01-09 10:07 < bainer> again, as opposed to Latin in which the words can be in almost any order, and you work out the meaning based purely on the cases of the nouns and adjectives and the person, number etc of the verbs
2008-01-09 10:07 < TheWeasel> yup, analytic
2008-01-09 10:07 < Mahlzahn> "inflected"
2008-01-09 10:07 < TheWeasel> especially terrible in poetry
2008-01-09 10:07 < TheWeasel> and then they have things like absolute ablative
2008-01-09 10:07 < Mahlzahn> especially lovely in poetry
2008-01-09 10:08 < bainer> English poetry can be nice but it's no Aeneid.
2008-01-09 10:09 < Mahlzahn> TheWeasel: terrible in a narrative, but nice in creative writing.
2008-01-09 10:09 < ionbi> ��
2008-01-09 10:10 < bainer> there's a very instructive table at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_conjugation#Examples comparing some simple forms of "to be" in various languages
2008-01-09 10:10 < ionbi> latest tom one piece
2008-01-09 10:10 < ionbi> say plz
2008-01-09 10:10 < ionbi> ;)
2008-01-09 10:11 < TheWeasel> it's fun how the Slavic forms conform so well to the Persian
2008-01-09 10:12 < ionbi> ������� ���� ��� ���?
2008-01-09 10:22 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-01-09 10:32 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-09 10:32 < NotACow> moo!moo!moo!moo!moo!
2008-01-09 10:33 < NotACow> moomoo1
2008-01-09 10:34 < Aqwis> etc
2008-01-09 10:34 < TheWeasel> Mew.
2008-01-09 10:34 < Aqwis> oh, you've blogged.
2008-01-09 10:34 < NotACow> moop.
2008-01-09 10:34 < NotACow> moomoomoop
2008-01-09 10:34 < NotACow> poom
2008-01-09 10:34 < TheWeasel> Moopsel.
2008-01-09 10:34 < NotACow> famopomoofoopoom
2008-01-09 10:34 < NotACow> squash
2008-01-09 10:43 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-09 10:45 < placebo_effect> you ok?
2008-01-09 10:45 < TheWeasel> Wow, darting matches, paradise of the middle-aged British proletariat :-)
2008-01-09 11:04 < TheWeasel> Wow, Mao was pretty dense
2008-01-09 11:05 < NotACow> mao is fun to play
2008-01-09 11:12 < Doc_glasgow> Ugh yuck 'Week keep. Seems interesting..." [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/East German jokes]]
2008-01-09 11:16 * TheWeasel is a partisan hack on this topic
2008-01-09 11:16 < TheWeasel> About Mao "His writings on guerilla warfare and the notion of people's war are now generally considered to be essential reading, both for those who wish to conduct guerilla operations and for those who wish to oppose them."
2008-01-09 11:18 < TheWeasel> Don't stuff beans up POV-pusher's noses!
2008-01-09 11:18 < TheWeasel> But it's almost Hegelian.
2008-01-09 11:19 < TheWeasel> Because if a book discusses both pro- and anti-guerilla warfare, the result will be post-Maoist warfare that doesn't follow the rules in the book
2008-01-09 11:27 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: as long as none of the jokes involve a living perosn, i'd be inclined to keep them. :)
2008-01-09 11:28 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: wikipedia's best future is as a repository of trivia. might as well let them get started on it.
2008-01-09 11:28 < Doc_glasgow> NotACow: for fun
2008-01-09 11:28 < NotACow> msft startup music is such fun
2008-01-09 11:28 < Doc_glasgow> NotACow: I've got a great recipe for mushroom soup, shall I put it up too [[Scottish Soup Recipes]]
2008-01-09 11:29 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: why not?
2008-01-09 11:29 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: somewhere there is a culinarist who would be interested.
2008-01-09 11:30 < Doc_glasgow> [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:ENC]] say otherwise
2008-01-09 11:30 < Doc_glasgow> but that's just me wonking
2008-01-09 11:30 < Doc_glasgow> fun and good soup should take priority
2008-01-09 11:36 * TheWeasel is off to shoot a haggis
2008-01-09 11:37 < Doc_glasgow> TheWeasel: you can't
2008-01-09 11:37 < Doc_glasgow> TheWeasel: they are all extinct
2008-01-09 11:37 < TheWeasel> Shite
2008-01-09 11:37 < Doc_glasgow> TheWeasel: there are only 7 left and they are protected
2008-01-09 11:38 < TheWeasel> Breed em well
2008-01-09 11:38 < TheWeasel> gonna look for something else then.
2008-01-09 11:38 < Doc_glasgow> however, we have a big freezer under Loch Ness with enough to keep the world going for years
2008-01-09 11:39 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-09 11:40 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: wikipedia policy is a gromwark to be ignored when inconveninent.
2008-01-09 11:40 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: a lot of those policies are there simply because wikipedia wants to pretend that it's more than jus ta random agglomeration of mostly facts
2008-01-09 11:40 < TheWeasel> NotACow: You're constantly switching sides
2008-01-09 11:41 < NotACow> TheWeasel: hm?
2008-01-09 11:41 < TheWeasel> But yea... I don't oppose pseudo-random agglomerations
2008-01-09 11:41 < TheWeasel> You're criticizing people for being policy wankers as well.
2008-01-09 11:41 < NotACow> TheWeasel: i've come to the realization that wikipedia is incapable of being a quality encyclopedia.
2008-01-09 11:41 < NotACow> TheWeasel: given this, wikiepdia should instead strive to accomplish what it IS capable of being
2008-01-09 11:42 < NotACow> TheWeasel: and that would be a first-rate collection of trivia
2008-01-09 11:42 < TheWeasel> I find our content more organized than you make it seem in many places.
2008-01-09 11:42 < NotACow> TheWeasel: have you read [[Fire]]?
2008-01-09 11:42 < TheWeasel> Probably not
2008-01-09 11:42 < TheWeasel> not for a bit, anyway
2008-01-09 11:43 < TheWeasel> I can do that later
2008-01-09 11:43 < TheWeasel> I need food :-)
2008-01-09 12:07 < Doc_glasgow> Here's the transcript of the BBC interview with Jimbo, where he compares wikipedia to a public toilet: http://en.veropedia.com/resource/bbc_interview
2008-01-09 12:15 < Drunken_Idiot> Bah
2008-01-09 12:15 < Oraiyus> ...
2008-01-09 12:15 < Cometstyles> Doc_glasgow, not working
2008-01-09 12:15 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-09 12:15 < NotACow> works for me
2008-01-09 12:15 < Oraiyus> there's enough people in here, where is the heated debate?
2008-01-09 12:16 * Drunken_Idiot hugs NotACow
2008-01-09 12:16 < Doc_glasgow> it works fine http://en.veropedia.com/resource/bbc_interview
2008-01-09 12:16 < NotACow> Oraiyus: we don't have anything to debate right now, perhaps you would like to start one?
2008-01-09 12:16 < Oraiyus> hmmm
2008-01-09 12:16 < Doc_glasgow> Why is wikipedia like a toilet?
2008-01-09 12:16 < Oraiyus> nothing on the top of my mind
2008-01-09 12:16 < Doc_glasgow> a) It is full of shit
2008-01-09 12:16 < Oraiyus> cause if you flush something that floats, it comes back?
2008-01-09 12:16 < Doc_glasgow> b) it stinks
2008-01-09 12:17 < Oraiyus> and your dog likes to drink from it?
2008-01-09 12:17 < Doc_glasgow> c) the article might be clean, or might be covered in the last editors piss
2008-01-09 12:17 < Cometstyles> hmm veropedia alwayz crashes my browser
2008-01-09 12:18 < Oraiyus> .. how many of the names to my right are people logged in and completely forgot they had this window up?
2008-01-09 12:18 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: and there might be janitors making sure the piss remains arranged in nice little puddles, too
2008-01-09 12:19 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: jimmy's mistake was in tying to wikipedia's reputation.
2008-01-09 12:19 < NotACow> Doc_glasgow: wikipedia's reputation is teh suk
2008-01-09 12:27 < zocky> SongMeanings | lyrics | Carly Simon - You're So Vain - I don't get this song, if she's saying you're so vain, you probly think this song is about you.. then isn't it? Maybe I'm just stupid but.
2008-01-09 12:27 < zocky> yes, darling, you're just stupid
2008-01-09 12:29 < NotACow> zocky: hehe
2008-01-09 12:31 < NotACow> INVASTION!
2008-01-09 12:32 < Triona> Meh. My results with the Random Article button today have been mostly sad...
2008-01-09 12:33 < NotACow> Triona: that's to be expected.
2008-01-09 12:33 < Triona> It used to be 9/10 sucked. Now it's more like 99/100
2008-01-09 12:33 < NotACow> Triona: yah
2008-01-09 12:34 < NotACow> Triona: wikipedia keeps getting new articles, most of which suck.
2008-01-09 12:34 < NotACow> Triona: and yet we keep creating more community awards to encourage people to create more articles
2008-01-09 12:35 < quanticle> NotACow: And this is surprising how?
2008-01-09 12:35 < NotACow> durova is mad at me for calling her out on that
2008-01-09 12:35 < Triona> I'd like to see new pages have to start in userspace.
2008-01-09 12:35 < quanticle> NotACow: Durova is creating new awards?
2008-01-09 12:35 < NotACow> quanticle: her "triple crown"
2008-01-09 12:35 < quanticle> NotACow: "triple crown"?
2008-01-09 12:36 < NotACow> she is giving some fancy-schmancy award for anyone who can get a DYK, a GA, and an FA
2008-01-09 12:36 < quanticle> NotACow: How does that encourage new articles, though?
2008-01-09 12:36 < NotACow> did you notice that there's been calls to ban at least one editor for claiming awards to which he is "not properly entitled"
2008-01-09 12:36 < NotACow> quanticle: DYK requires new articles.
2008-01-09 12:37 < NotACow> quanticle: in theory you can expand one, but the rules they use for expansion are absurdly strict.
2008-01-09 12:37 < quanticle> NotACow: Oh. I see. Its just massively easier to get a DYK with a new article
2008-01-09 12:37 < NotACow> quanticle: in most cases to get a dyk with an existing article you'd have to write an opus.
2008-01-09 12:38 < zocky> wait, getting a DYK raises your status?
2008-01-09 12:38 < NotACow> zocky: yes
2008-01-09 12:38 < Aqwis> there are plenty of one or two-liner stubs on WP
2008-01-09 12:38 < Aqwis> expanding those 5x isn't that hard
2008-01-09 12:38 < NotACow> Aqwis: in many cases it is, becuse the stub is all there is to be said
2008-01-09 12:38 < Aqwis> really.
2008-01-09 12:39 < zocky> maybe we should start a web-based mud on some policy page, and people who like that sort of thing will fall into it and forget about the rest of the site?
2008-01-09 12:39 < Aqwis> maybe if you don't have any sources available for you
2008-01-09 12:39 < NotACow> i seem to have left my research library in my other pair of pants
2008-01-09 12:39 < zocky> NotACow, I guess steward would be the same level as a wizard, since they get to create new worlds and stuff
2008-01-09 12:40 < Drunken_Idiot> :D:D
2008-01-09 12:40 < zocky> I always wondered why people go for the whole string of positions, i.e. admin/bcrat/cu/oversight/steward
2008-01-09 12:40 < Drunken_Idiot> Well Good-night everybody.
2008-01-09 12:41 < Drunken_Idiot> NotACow: Nighty
2008-01-09 12:42 < NotACow> Drunken_Idiot: night, dude
2008-01-09 12:42 < zocky> I should become a bcrat, so I can level up and increase my stamina and intelligence
2008-01-09 12:42 * Drunken_Idiot toxins zocky with CaPO4
2008-01-09 12:43 < NotACow> GO GO GADGET WINDOWS UPDATE
2008-01-09 12:43 < zocky> zomg, "Katie Melua and The Pogues: Fairytale of New York"
2008-01-09 12:44 < nazgjunk> wt
2008-01-09 12:44 < zocky> those slight tremors in the south of england are kirsty maccoll turning in her grave
2008-01-09 12:44 < AzaTht> I need one word to describe temporal removal
2008-01-09 12:44 < nazgjunk> zocky, seriously wtf link me
2008-01-09 12:44 < AzaTht> as a verb
2008-01-09 12:44 < nazgjunk> 'cause that's evil
2008-01-09 12:44 < zocky> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig3EjNlKP5M&feature=related
2008-01-09 12:45 < AzaTht> no one?
2008-01-09 12:47 < zocky> man, shane has so few teeth left that all his consonants sound the same
2008-01-09 12:47 < AzaTht> :(
2008-01-09 12:48 < zocky> nazgjunk, also, notice the highly moronic audience
2008-01-09 12:49 < nazgjunk> katie apparently is unable to actually sound drunk
2008-01-09 12:49 < nazgjunk> er
2008-01-09 12:49 < nazgjunk> angry
2008-01-09 12:49 < zocky> or drunk
2008-01-09 12:49 < nazgjunk> or both, she's managing neither
2008-01-09 12:49 < zocky> she sounds 100% wholesome, regardless of what she's singing
2008-01-09 12:50 < nazgjunk> "you scumbag you maggot" and it sounds as if she's singing of rainbows and unicorns
2008-01-09 12:50 < nazgjunk> blah
2008-01-09 12:50 < zocky> haha
2008-01-09 13:04 < nazgjunk> http://www.improveverywhere.com/2007/08/22/the-mp3-experiment-four/
2008-01-09 13:04 < nazgjunk> this is so awesome
2008-01-09 13:18 < NotACow> meh
2008-01-09 13:22 < gwern> nazgjunk: that sort of thing makes me wish I lived in NYC, so I could participate in their stunts
2008-01-09 13:22 < gwern> I loved the best buy and the naked-chest ones
2008-01-09 13:22 < gwern> 'Steve then asked folks to point to the Statue of Liberty (even if you can’t see it) and Nicaragua (even if you can’t see it.)'
2008-01-09 13:23 < gwern> photo caption: 'Not the German tourist'
2008-01-09 13:25 < gwern> 'After the dartboard was complete, Steve told us it was time to play freeze tag. “Yellow is it!” he announced. The dartboard exploded as people scattered in every direction avoiding the yellows. The poor red shirts stuck in the middle got trapped and immediately frozen.' <-- everyone knows redshirts are always screwed
2008-01-09 13:26 < gwern> '
2008-01-09 13:26 < gwern> '
2008-01-09 13:26 < gwern> this is the most colorful report ever, well done!
2008-01-09 13:26 < gwern> lol
2008-01-09 13:40 < TheWeasel> fail commie fail
2008-01-09 13:47 < Sulek> siema polskie crayzole
2008-01-09 13:48 < gwern> no, it's 'fail commie is fail'
2008-01-09 13:48 < gwern> which is true, as most commie regimes have failed
2008-01-09 13:48 * TheWeasel can't stop laughing at the name Polkinghorne
2008-01-09 13:48 < TheWeasel> Communism inherently does not have a regime
2008-01-09 13:48 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-09 13:49 < moralist> " Fout Fel Fallo 错误 錯誤 Erreur Error Fehler エラー Błąd Errore Erro Chyba Ошибка "
2008-01-09 13:49 < moralist> :O
2008-01-09 13:49 < TheWeasel> Fail Pedia Is Fail
2008-01-09 13:49 < Accurimbono> oddio!!!
2008-01-09 13:49 < gil777> hi
2008-01-09 13:49 < Accurimbono> :)
2008-01-09 13:49 < Accurimbono> speriamo che sia solo partita la corrente....
2008-01-09 13:50 < XTZGZoReX> Zomg error.
2008-01-09 13:50 < Volum> damn
2008-01-09 13:50 < Volum> what's wrong
2008-01-09 13:50 < Accurimbono> ora la luce è tornata! :)
2008-01-09 13:51 < xert> up again
2008-01-09 13:51 < TheWeasel> "ohne Licht geht's nicht, ohne Ton schon!"
2008-01-09 13:51 < bishonen> up?
2008-01-09 13:51 < bishonen> not for me
2008-01-09 13:51 < TheWeasel> Up for me.
2008-01-09 13:51 < Accurimbono> up for me also!
2008-01-09 13:51 < mids728> seems fine now
2008-01-09 13:52 < nickster> up for me now.
2008-01-09 13:52 < TheWeasel> then avaunt, mateys
2008-01-09 13:52 < TheWeasel> Yarr.
2008-01-09 13:53 < bishonen> up!
2008-01-09 13:54 < cimon> Up and beyond!
2008-01-09 13:54 < cimon> hm
2008-01-09 13:54 < cimon> I menat aboe andbeyond
2008-01-09 13:54 < TheWeasel> ...our duties
2008-01-09 13:54 < TheWeasel> to hold up...
2008-01-09 13:54 < bishonen> cimon, don't you mean "up, up, and away"?
2008-01-09 13:54 < cimon> fuck slomolasses my friging typient
2008-01-09 13:54 < TheWeasel> the highest standards and traditions...
2008-01-09 13:55 < TheWeasel> of the 101st Wikisquad
2008-01-09 13:55 < TheWeasel> Editwarre Necesse Est
2008-01-09 13:55 < cimon> I am having a problem with not being able to type the delete key, beause it just takes to friging onln g for the stuff to catch up...
2008-01-09 13:56 < TheWeasel> Pa'don?
2008-01-09 13:56 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-09 13:56 < cimon> someting is intercepting the interrupt requests....
2008-01-09 13:56 < TheWeasel> Something dark
2008-01-09 13:56 < cimon> some process.
2008-01-09 13:56 < TheWeasel> Something inv... oh alright
2008-01-09 13:58 < cimon> ah, seems to be better now, that I closed down Konsole...
2008-01-09 13:59 < TheWeasel> eh, Conservapedians should read our recent FA on Scandinavian immigration to America, then talk again about bias
2008-01-09 13:59 < TheWeasel> it's almost romantically pro-US
2008-01-09 13:59 < TheWeasel> very good, but very deferential
2008-01-09 13:59 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-09 14:05 < TheWeasel> Bush had *never been to Israel*?
2008-01-09 14:05 < TheWeasel> o.o
2008-01-09 14:05 < TheWeasel> wow he looks older than Shimon
2008-01-09 14:10 < cimon> TheWeasel: I was kind of surprised to heare on BBC that Bush Jr. had never been ot Israel. I can frigging remember Dubya hugging Ariel Sharon at some date on a private visitl. Must have been in egypt then I guess...
2008-01-09 14:10 < TheWeasel> Maybe they met elsewhere.
2008-01-09 14:10 < TheWeasel> but that is extraordinary
2008-01-09 14:11 < TheWeasel> you're president for over seven years without ever going to the country that possibly has the greatest bearing on foreign policy in the world
2008-01-09 14:12 < cimon> well, I remember the photo-op with bush wearing a pilot jacket, and bush and sharon looking down from some precipice or anothter...
2008-01-09 14:12 < TheWeasel> odd
2008-01-09 14:12 < TheWeasel> I dunno
2008-01-09 14:13 < cimon> TheWeasel: I can pretty much narrow down the date to within two months, because I remember what was going on in my life at the time...
2008-01-09 14:13 < TheWeasel> hah
2008-01-09 14:13 < TheWeasel> when
2008-01-09 14:14 < cimon> TheWeasel: it will take me 10 minutes or so...
2008-01-09 14:14 < TheWeasel> oh, take thine time
2008-01-09 14:14 < kenlyric> http://bbsnews.net/bbsn_photos/topics/Israel_Palestine/bush_sharon_2004_04_14.jpg
2008-01-09 14:15 < kenlyric> looks like the white house to me.
2008-01-09 14:16 < TheWeasel> yea, lovely chandelier there
2008-01-09 14:16 < cimon> kenlyric: sounds about the right timeframe...
2008-01-09 14:16 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-09 14:17 < kenlyric> it's hard to look up "sharon" and "bush"
2008-01-09 14:17 < TheWeasel> Yea, roadmap signing
2008-01-09 14:17 < kenlyric> I guess neil's ex-wife's name is Sharon :)
2008-01-09 14:18 < cimon> hmm no. It was later...
2008-01-09 14:18 < cimon> not even close
2008-01-09 14:18 < TheWeasel> "Sharon plans to visit President Bush on April 14 in Washington. Backed by the United States, European Union, United Nations and Russia, the road map calls ..."
2008-01-09 14:18 < TheWeasel> April 14, 2004
2008-01-09 14:19 < cimon> When did Sharon enter the coma?
2008-01-09 14:19 < TheWeasel> April '06
2008-01-09 14:20 < TheWeasel> no, January
2008-01-09 14:21 < TheWeasel> in April, they gave up on him
2008-01-09 14:22 < cimon> yep, I am pretty sure Bush and Sharon met and shook hands much much later than 2004
2008-01-09 14:25 < Sfan00> Hye I've just had a mad theory about something :(
2008-01-09 14:26 < Sfan00> Complet off the wall.
2008-01-09 14:30 < Sfan00> Anyone here heard all the Kennedy-Lincoln, Lincoln Kennedy alleged connection theories?
2008-01-09 14:31 < Aqwis2> the "kennedy became president in 1960, lincoln in 1860" thing?
2008-01-09 14:31 < Sfan00> Yeah
2008-01-09 14:31 < Sfan00> I extended it to it's logical conclusion ;)
2008-01-09 14:31 < Aqwis2> ok
2008-01-09 14:32 < Sfan00> America's first Afircan American president will initally be elcted to Congress in 2046
2008-01-09 14:32 < Sfan00> They will be elected President in 22060
2008-01-09 14:32 < Sfan00> *2060
2008-01-09 14:32 < Aqwis2> err, right
2008-01-09 14:32 < Sfan00> During his term he will loose a family member in the White House
2008-01-09 14:33 < Sfan00> He will be assianted by an asssin with three names, of 15 letters in total (and southern)
2008-01-09 14:33 < Sfan00> The assisian will be shot before trian ;)
2008-01-09 14:33 < NotACow> lose, or misplace?
2008-01-09 14:34 < Sfan00> The VP succeding will be called Johnson (and born in 2008)
2008-01-09 14:34 < Sfan00> The shooting will take place in a Theatre Converted from a Wharehouse :)
2008-01-09 14:35 < Sfan00> The pesidents name will be Monore Kennedy Lincoln ....
2008-01-09 14:35 < Sfan00> :)
2008-01-09 14:35 < NoulNou> hi all
2008-01-09 14:35 < NotACow> Monore?
2008-01-09 14:35 < Sfan00> Merley extending the Kenendy-Lincoln thing ab it:)
2008-01-09 14:36 < NotACow> who or what is a monore?
2008-01-09 14:36 < Sfan00> Not A Cow: Kennedy had a connection to Marylin, Lincoln visted Monroe Maryland )
2008-01-09 14:36 < NotACow> oh, monroe!
2008-01-09 14:36 < Sfan00> Yeah, typos
2008-01-09 14:51 < MessedRocker> hold
2008-01-09 14:52 < MessedRocker> hello citiZens
2008-01-09 14:52 < Sfan00> hi messedRocker
2008-01-09 14:52 < Sfan00> What do you Know about Kultura?
2008-01-09 14:55 * TheWeasel attempts an Obama parody and succeeds
2008-01-09 14:56 < TheWeasel> yay, camel racing
2008-01-09 14:56 * TheWeasel watches educational television
2008-01-09 15:01 < Sfan00> TV Educational?
2008-01-09 15:01 < Sfan00> ROFL
2008-01-09 15:01 < TheWeasel> "An appendix gives addresses for those "needing support in escaping religion"."
2008-01-09 15:01 < TheWeasel> Cayth'lic Choich won' let me go!
2008-01-09 15:05 < TheWeasel> oh dude, Richard Dawkins, the Chris Hitchens of science
2008-01-09 15:05 < Sfan00> The Ctaholic church lets people go?
2008-01-09 15:05 < TheWeasel> Just gotta sin real bad
2008-01-09 15:05 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-09 15:06 < kenlyric> When his lightbulb burns out, the average man would just replace it. The catholic man sits in the dark and wonders what he did wrong to the lightbulb"
2008-01-09 15:07 < NotACow> heh
2008-01-09 15:07 < kenlyric> nobody leaves the catholic church, at least not while their grandmother is still alive.
2008-01-09 15:07 < TheWeasel> The Catholic would sing three Hail Marys and keep waiting.
2008-01-09 15:08 < TheWeasel> Jewish moms would say "oi, it's alright son, I'll just sit here in the dark where you so heartlessly dumped me."
2008-01-09 15:08 < Jin16_> damm
2008-01-09 15:09 < NotACow> TheWeasel: i didn't know you could do fran drescher
2008-01-09 15:09 < Triona> Whee. I feel special.
2008-01-09 15:09 < Jin16_> I end on the wrong cachannel
2008-01-09 15:09 < TheWeasel> "...after, oy!, all I've done for you, too... But I don't mind, no, no..."
2008-01-09 15:09 < Triona> My first wikipedia death threat!
2008-01-09 15:10 < TheWeasel> Congratulations
2008-01-09 15:10 < TheWeasel> I've once been informally told that "after we're back, we'll do away with traitors like yourself"
2008-01-09 15:10 < TheWeasel> only vaguely to do with Wikipedia though
2008-01-09 15:10 < TheWeasel> here I've just been called a simple, regular Joe traitor commie
2008-01-09 15:13 * TheWeasel observes a Staunton Gambit battle
2008-01-09 15:15 < quanticle> TheWeasel: You play chess?
2008-01-09 15:15 * quanticle is starting to get into that game
2008-01-09 15:15 < TheWeasel> yea, badly, but there
2008-01-09 15:15 < TheWeasel> I studied more than I understood :-D
2008-01-09 15:15 < DannyLilithborne> no one is worse at chess than me
2008-01-09 15:16 < TheWeasel> so my knowledge is encyclopedic but shallow
2008-01-09 15:16 < DannyLilithborne> I challenge you, whoever gets checkmated first wins :D
2008-01-09 15:16 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Do you study more or play?
2008-01-09 15:16 < TheWeasel> it's an interesting question, whether selfmate is forceable
2008-01-09 15:16 < TheWeasel> right now I stopped playing internet chess
2008-01-09 15:17 < TheWeasel> I used to play there a lot
2008-01-09 15:17 < quanticle> TheWeasel: I don't think you can self-mate
2008-01-09 15:17 < TheWeasel> so, neither right now
2008-01-09 15:17 < TheWeasel> Well, if your schlong is long en... never mind
2008-01-09 15:17 < TheWeasel> I mean
2008-01-09 15:17 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Do you have any tips for beginners?
2008-01-09 15:18 < TheWeasel> don't read books that are above your head, focus on development and tactics
2008-01-09 15:18 < quanticle> What are some good books for beginners?
2008-01-09 15:18 < TheWeasel> the American market is really large, and all my beginner's books were for children
2008-01-09 15:18 < TheWeasel> so I'm not up to date on that
2008-01-09 15:19 < quanticle> Oh. :(
2008-01-09 15:19 < TheWeasel> any one whose writing style suits you, read a few pages
2008-01-09 15:19 < DannyLilithborne> chess notation drives me nuts
2008-01-09 15:19 < TheWeasel> it's not hard to write chess books for beginners, you don't need prominent names
2008-01-09 15:19 < quanticle> I play a lot on the internet, but everyone is so much better than I am...
2008-01-09 15:19 < quanticle> I get beat too thoroughly to draw lessons
2008-01-09 15:19 < TheWeasel> chess notation is quite easy though
2008-01-09 15:19 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-09 15:20 < TheWeasel> thats because online the clocks are set too tightly
2008-01-09 15:20 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Hmm? What do you mean?
2008-01-09 15:20 < TheWeasel> usually you play five minute games, and I wouldn't recommend that
2008-01-09 15:20 < TheWeasel> it's far too fast, blitz is useless for serious development
2008-01-09 15:20 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Oh, no. I play longer games, but I still get thrashed
2008-01-09 15:21 < TheWeasel> heh yea, it's hard, you need to know what to look out for
2008-01-09 15:21 < TheWeasel> and still there are no rules set in stone, that's the hardest part
2008-01-09 15:21 < TheWeasel> you can only categorize positions to a small degree
2008-01-09 15:21 < Yert___> Hey TheWeasel
2008-01-09 15:22 < TheWeasel> start with a solid opening which occupies the center, put your knights to the inside, bishops left and right of the center if possible
2008-01-09 15:22 < TheWeasel> and then look out for weaknesses
2008-01-09 15:23 < quanticle> Yeah, its the middle game, which is hardest for me. I can usually pull off a fairly solid opening, but I always seem to make a mistake in the middle game that undoes everything
2008-01-09 15:24 < TheWeasel> yea. unless you just waste a piece, most errors that kill your position are signs that it had a weak point in the first place
2008-01-09 15:24 < TheWeasel> I think you should know basic tactics first, to avoid mistakes
2008-01-09 15:24 < quanticle> Yeah. I need to get some books for that
2008-01-09 15:24 < TheWeasel> how people typically "trap" pieces in two or three moves
2008-01-09 15:25 < TheWeasel> there are patterns for that
2008-01-09 15:25 < quanticle> Really? See, that's the sort of things I miss...
2008-01-09 15:25 < kenlyric> it's all about the number of moves ahead of the current one you can anticipate.
2008-01-09 15:26 < kenlyric> quanticle: most of us miss them :)
2008-01-09 15:26 < TheWeasel> Well, but you can learn some typical errors, like the white-square bishop being trapped queenside
2008-01-09 15:26 < TheWeasel> that's a classic
2008-01-09 15:26 < kenlyric> I'm lucky if I can anticipate 1 move ahead (i.e., see every possible response to the moves I make)
2008-01-09 15:26 < TheWeasel> or the queen getting tangled up somewhere
2008-01-09 15:27 < TheWeasel> thats already a lot on the net :-)
2008-01-09 15:27 < NotACow> i haven't played chess much since about 8th grade
2008-01-09 15:27 < NotACow> i won the 6th grade chess championship at my school :)
2008-01-09 15:27 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Right. Someone was telling me that its better to keep logs of your games so you can go back and see where you screwed up. Do you advocate that?
2008-01-09 15:27 < TheWeasel> but you need to know the typical long-term implications of each move, because it's bound to be part of a plan
2008-01-09 15:27 < TheWeasel> I do.
2008-01-09 15:28 < TheWeasel> can you read short notation?
2008-01-09 15:28 < TheWeasel> (algebraic, of course
2008-01-09 15:28 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Yes, but it really helps for me to have a chessboard out and play through the moves
2008-01-09 15:28 < quanticle> Xboard is great in that regard, btw
2008-01-09 15:29 < TheWeasel> if you can read it and know where what is, you're a born blind player, but that's not what anyone should do :-)
2008-01-09 15:29 < TheWeasel> even the greatest players always play out moves on a board
2008-01-09 15:30 < TheWeasel> Seriously, I once played blindly with just notation, and I was nuts by move ten
2008-01-09 15:30 < TheWeasel> even though it was a slow game
2008-01-09 15:30 < TheWeasel> (I was allowed to come back to the table) :-)
2008-01-09 15:31 < TheWeasel> I played my grandma and that was my handicap
2008-01-09 15:38 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Is your grandma good at chess?
2008-01-09 15:38 < TheWeasel> no
2008-01-09 15:38 < TheWeasel> thats why
2008-01-09 15:43 < bumm13> hiya Weasel
2008-01-09 15:43 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: haha, Canada's Next Top Model has even weirder photo shoots than the American version
2008-01-09 15:43 < Mike_H> the girls had to pose with dead sea life on their heads
2008-01-09 15:44 < TheWeasel> o.o
2008-01-09 15:44 < Viper550> database sync, yay
2008-01-09 15:44 < bumm13> that's because Canada is weirder than the U.S. :P
2008-01-09 15:44 < TheWeasel> oh, hello
2008-01-09 15:44 < Mike_H> Steff, whose biggest fear in life is a dead baby octopus, dissolves into tears upon learning she will be wearing just that. Her tantrum forces the hair and makeup team to instead give Sinead the octopus and glue snail shells on Steff's head to calm her down.
2008-01-09 15:44 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-09 15:44 < bumm13> wth?
2008-01-09 15:44 < TheWeasel> I WANT HER FEARS
2008-01-09 15:44 < TheWeasel> in exchange for mine
2008-01-09 15:44 < TheWeasel> if they don't go beyond dead pulpos
2008-01-09 15:44 * bumm13 names his octopus "Sinead"
2008-01-09 15:44 < Mike_H> I loved it when Tara, one of the black girls, had a crab on her head
2008-01-09 15:44 < Mike_H> "I HAVE CRAB JUICE IN MY WEAVE NOW"
2008-01-09 15:45 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-09 15:46 < Mike_H> bumm13: I'm now corresponding with the musical director and theme song composer of Solid Gold
2008-01-09 15:47 < bumm13> heh, cool
2008-01-09 15:47 < Mike_H> he was editing the article to add some things and realized the trivia section had been removed, and wanted to know why, and how to integrate things into the article
2008-01-09 15:47 < Arria> Mike_H: Dead sea life? Really? XD
2008-01-09 15:47 < Mike_H> Arria: yeah, for real
2008-01-09 15:47 < Mike_H> The next day the girls are taken to a Toronto photo studio to do a beauty shot posing with dead sea life on their heads as follows:
2008-01-09 15:47 < Mike_H> Cori Lobster
2008-01-09 15:47 < Mike_H> Gina Squid
2008-01-09 15:47 < Mike_H> Jacqueline Caviar and Eel
2008-01-09 15:47 < Mike_H> etc.
2008-01-09 15:47 < Arria> Caviar XD
2008-01-09 15:47 < kenlyric> 'If one side cannot prove voter fraud and the other cannot prove a voter was unable to cast a ballot because of the law, "where do you draw the line?'' Justice Samuel A. Alito'
2008-01-09 15:48 * Cometstyles huggles Arria :)
2008-01-09 15:48 * Arria would have preferred salmon roe sushi
2008-01-09 15:48 < TheWeasel> Oh, Scientology.
2008-01-09 15:48 < kenlyric> gee, I'd think you draw that line at the side which requires fewer barriers to voting.
2008-01-09 15:48 < Arria> Pretty AND dead. :-)
2008-01-09 15:48 * Arria huggles Cometstyles and Mike_H
2008-01-09 15:48 < Mike_H> Arria: Actually, this challenge was pretty odd, too. They had to go on MuchMusic's version of TRL
2008-01-09 15:48 < Mike_H> and do this.
2008-01-09 15:48 < Mike_H> The girls, all dressed in tight pink outfits and with their faces veiled, are asked to one-by-one walk for the audience, holding an item (e.g. apple, whisk). Tara wins this challenge and gets a diamond watch, in which she is claimed to have flaunted her victory in the other girls' faces. The other girls are annoyed with Tara's attitude.
2008-01-09 15:48 < TheWeasel> the old mantra "leave it to the states" applies to them
2008-01-09 15:49 < Cometstyles> ^_^
2008-01-09 15:49 < Mike_H> I believe Tara held a Swiffer.
2008-01-09 15:49 < Arria> Oh, a Swiffer! That reminds me.
2008-01-09 15:49 * Arria goes to look for a link
2008-01-09 15:49 < TheWeasel> oh, L. Ron Hubcap.
2008-01-09 15:50 < Mike_H> Next each contestant tries their hand at being the interviewer with a Degrassi cast member who does his best to throw each girl off with his rudeness, succeeding with all but Mo and Sinead. Sinead is once again the challenge winner and as her prize gets to cover a real Toronto fashion week show as a correspondent for Fashion Television.
2008-01-09 15:50 < Mike_H> and you know this is Canada, because really
2008-01-09 15:50 < Mike_H> who else cares about DeGrassi?
2008-01-09 15:50 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-09 15:50 < Arria> Mike_H: http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/10/roooooooowwwrrr.html
2008-01-09 15:50 < kenlyric> DeGrassi: is it 1998 again?
2008-01-09 15:51 < Mike_H> Arria: hahahaha, that is great
2008-01-09 15:51 < bumm13> Canada has unusual tastes in entertainment at times
2008-01-09 15:52 < Mike_H> In this episode, the challenge for the girls is to go on go-sees. They draw straws; the girl with the shortest straw must go by herself while the other four girls must be in pairs of two. Tara, to her dismay, ends up with Cori, while Sinead and Tia end up together. Rebecca must go by herself and vows to win the challenges.
2008-01-09 15:52 < bumm13> the music they like pretty much nobody else listens to (for example)
2008-01-09 15:52 < Mike_H> That's so cruel. If that "draw straws" thing ever happened on ANTM, like, a bitch would have been cut, and I'm not talking Tyra-style.
2008-01-09 15:53 < Mike_H> I'm just imagining how it would be if Jade or Melrose or MONIQUE was sent out alone because they picked the smallest straw.
2008-01-09 15:54 < bumm13> "LAKELAND, Fla. - About 50 cars crashed on a highway blanketed by fog and smoke from a brush fire Wednesday, and authorities said at least three people were killed."
2008-01-09 15:54 < Mike_H> After the shoot, the girls are invited to go to dinner with Nigel. Cori is particularly pleased, though nervous, and the other girls are getting annoyed by her complaining. She feels even more uneasy when it is revealed that they are going to an Indian restaurant because she prefers American food.
2008-01-09 15:54 < Mike_H> What kind of Canadian is she?
2008-01-09 15:54 < bumm13> "American food"?
2008-01-09 15:54 < bumm13> fried chicken?
2008-01-09 15:54 < kenlyric> americans don't have food
2008-01-09 15:54 < Mike_H> Cori actually said that. And it's at this point where I must reveal that Cori is stupid.
2008-01-09 15:54 < bumm13> hahaha
2008-01-09 15:55 < bumm13> grits!
2008-01-09 15:55 < kenlyric> we put food in a pot and melt it.
2008-01-09 15:55 < bumm13> Texas chili!
2008-01-09 15:55 < kenlyric> hey, grits came from the indians.
2008-01-09 15:55 < kenlyric> chili came from the mexicans
2008-01-09 15:55 < Mike_H> Before the girls leave, Jay asks the girls to reveal the biggest misconception about the girls. Most girls say that Sinead appears so quiet at panel but that she has a funny and silly side. Sinead says that Tia talks a lot but is one of the greatest people she's known. Rebecca reveals that Cori puts on an act at judging. Tia agrees with her, which brings a hyperventilating Cori to tears.
2008-01-09 15:55 < Mike_H> Again, DRAMA
2008-01-09 15:55 < bumm13> kenlyric: not sure if that's entirely relevant
2008-01-09 15:55 * Mike_H needs to watch CNTM again
2008-01-09 15:55 < kenlyric> I dunno about fried chicken.
2008-01-09 15:55 < kenlyric> surely somebody fried chicken before we did.
2008-01-09 15:56 < Mike_H> kenlyric: No, Colonel Sanders did it all
2008-01-09 15:56 < Mike_H> om nom nom
2008-01-09 15:56 < bumm13> chitterlings! :)
2008-01-09 15:56 < Mike_H> ew, chitlins
2008-01-09 15:56 < bumm13> indeed
2008-01-09 15:56 * Cyrius makes a pot of gumbo for the channel.
2008-01-09 15:56 < kenlyric> The Scots had a tradition of deep frying chicken in fat, unlike their English counterparts who baked or boiled chicken.
2008-01-09 15:57 < bumm13> people have been adopting others' culinary practices since time immemorial
2008-01-09 15:57 < bumm13> the use of noodles did not exactly originate in Italy proper
2008-01-09 15:57 < Mike_H> The girls meet with one of Canada's first supermodels, Yanka, who helps them use the mirror with their visual confidence. Later, the girls go to an FCUK store where their challenge is to pose as window mannequins.
2008-01-09 15:57 < Mike_H> Who is Yanka? And also, FCUK, roffle.
2008-01-09 15:57 < bumm13> pose as window mannequins?
2008-01-09 15:57 < bumm13> wtf?
2008-01-09 15:57 < Mike_H> and here I thought nobody even heard of that "Canada" place before Linda Evangelista
2008-01-09 15:57 < kenlyric> fried chicken can probably be safely called an american food then.
2008-01-09 15:57 < bumm13> someone's insane....
2008-01-09 15:58 < kenlyric> since southern slaves made it actually taste good.
2008-01-09 15:58 < Mike_H> bumm13: It's actually a rather routine challenge
2008-01-09 15:58 < Mike_H> ANTM has done it a lot
2008-01-09 15:58 < bumm13> see also: [[Mannequins (movie)]]
2008-01-09 15:58 < Mike_H> it's to see who can hold on to a pose and emotion
2008-01-09 15:58 < bumm13> that doesn't make it sane ;p
2008-01-09 15:58 < Mike_H> it has a lot to do with taking pictures
2008-01-09 15:58 < kenlyric> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_cuisine
2008-01-09 15:59 < bumm13> Jell-O better not still be there ;p
2008-01-09 15:59 < kenlyric> it is indeed
2008-01-09 15:59 < bumm13> ...
2008-01-09 15:59 < Mike_H> bumm13: I love the summary of the photo shoots
2008-01-09 15:59 < Mike_H> just reading them from the list, they make no sense
2008-01-09 15:59 < Mike_H> #
2008-01-09 15:59 < Mike_H> # Week 5 Photoshoot: Couture Editorial Shoot on Trampolines
2008-01-09 15:59 < Mike_H> # Week 6 Photoshoot: LG Chocolate Phone Shoot in Lingerie
2008-01-09 16:00 < kenlyric> we invented the ice cream cone. That's food immortality.
2008-01-09 16:00 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-09 16:00 < Mike_H> my favorite will always be
2008-01-09 16:00 < Mike_H> #
2008-01-09 16:00 < Mike_H> # Week 2 Photoshoot: Beauty Shot With Sea Creatures
2008-01-09 16:00 < bumm13> Jell-O isn't exactly "cuisine" :P
2008-01-09 16:00 < Mike_H> I GOT CRAB JUICE IN MAH WEAVE
2008-01-09 16:01 < bumm13> is non-dairy whipped cream "cuisine"?
2008-01-09 16:01 < kenlyric> better list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_dishes
2008-01-09 16:01 < bumm13> or that spray can cheese food?
2008-01-09 16:01 < Mike_H> bumm13: Are you talking about, like, Reddi Wip?
2008-01-09 16:01 < bumm13> yeah, mostly
2008-01-09 16:01 < Mike_H> That should be a photo shoot
2008-01-09 16:01 < Mike_H> Couture Photoshoot with Reddi Wip
2008-01-09 16:02 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-09 16:02 < Mike_H> on ANTM they already made the girls wear ice cream
2008-01-09 16:02 < bumm13> lovely
2008-01-09 16:02 < Mike_H> Reddi Wip is the wave of the future
2008-01-09 16:02 < kenlyric> Hot dogs and hamburgers are both based on traditional German dishes, brought over to America by German immigrants to the United States, but in their modern popular form they can be reasonably considered American dishes.
2008-01-09 16:02 < bumm13> American food often reeks of being by-products of the Industrial Revolution
2008-01-09 16:02 < bumm13> kenlyric: yeah
2008-01-09 16:03 < bumm13> (or at least the 1950s obsession with technology/processes over substance)
2008-01-09 16:03 < Mike_H> bumm13: Haha, this was a gold one too, from CNTM 1
2008-01-09 16:03 < Mike_H> For their photoshoot, the girls were to wear 1980's workout garb and pose on a Stairmaster, an inflatable dinosaur, and holding various food/drink items, like a hot dog, milk, fried eggs, and mustard.
2008-01-09 16:04 < Mike_H> I think that should tell anyone that fashion does not make sense.
2008-01-09 16:04 < bumm13> Mike_H: I really think the whole point of these shows is to make fools out of people
2008-01-09 16:04 < Mike_H> bumm13: You mean like this?
2008-01-09 16:04 < Mike_H> In an extreme editorial shot, the girls are first asked to pose with a falcon while maintaining control of their facial expressions. Sisi and Brandi do well, while Tenika falls completely flat in the shoot and Ylenia, despite her strong performance, comes across as much older than she is in her pictures.
2008-01-09 16:05 < bumm13> "as much older"?
2008-01-09 16:05 < kenlyric> bumm13: that's point of the entire reality TV genre. Humor through personal embarrassment.
2008-01-09 16:05 < Mike_H> "comes across as" "much older"
2008-01-09 16:05 < kenlyric> it's actually a cornerstone of western humor.