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2008-01-08 20:45 < geniice> swirlface guy
2008-01-08 20:45 < theINC> he used a twirl filter to hide his face
2008-01-08 20:45 < Cyrius> theINC: I loved it when they untwirled him
2008-01-08 20:45 < geniice> amidaniel cat natked chlidren is not child porn
2008-01-08 20:45 < theINC> when he could have just used the 'big-ass-black-box' filter
2008-01-08 20:45 < theINC> that may or may not be a filter
2008-01-08 20:45 < theINC> I'd be like "UNTWIRL THIS ASSHAT"
2008-01-08 20:45 < Yert> Why would he not take better care to swirl it good?
2008-01-08 20:46 < Cyrius> Yert: because he thought it was good enough and didn't know better
2008-01-08 20:46 < theINC> Yert: but he left the original pixels there
2008-01-08 20:46 < Yert> It was pretty pathetic
2008-01-08 20:46 < theINC> if I put a big black box over my face and saved it as JPG
2008-01-08 20:46 < Leslie_S> theINC, wouldnt a bigass black box be totally impossible to un-bigass-black-box?
2008-01-08 20:46 < theINC> they could not get my original face
2008-01-08 20:46 < theINC> lol.
2008-01-08 20:46 < Leslie_S> theINC, yeah, why didnt he do that
2008-01-08 20:46 < Leslie_S> theINC, what a moron
2008-01-08 20:46 < TheWeasel> Meh, hope he got his face swirled by his fellow inmates :-D
2008-01-08 20:46 < theINC> because he's retarded
2008-01-08 20:46 < Yert> TheWeasel: :OP
2008-01-08 20:46 < theINC> maybe the kiddies were more up to date in Photoshop than he was
2008-01-08 20:47 < theINC> and they told him to twirl his face, knowing that it could be untwirled
2008-01-08 20:47 < Leslie_S> theINC, you know what would be great is if he used a format that supported layers, and put a bigass black box OVER the face.
2008-01-08 20:47 < geniice> 40/36
2008-01-08 20:47 < theINC> so that he'd get caught
2008-01-08 20:47 < Yert> You could almost see his face when it was swirled
2008-01-08 20:47 < Leslie_S> theINC, so you could just delete that layer and see the face
2008-01-08 20:47 < Leslie_S> :P
2008-01-08 20:47 < theINC> Leslie_S: hehee, but I'm suggesting he woulda posted it on a forum or IRC channel or something
2008-01-08 20:47 < theINC> and JPG'd it
2008-01-08 20:47 < Cyrius> Leslie_S: common with government redacted PDFs
2008-01-08 20:47 < Leslie_S> theINC, yeah, too bad jpeg doesnt support that.
2008-01-08 20:47 < theINC> hehe
2008-01-08 20:47 < Leslie_S> Cyrius, seriously? thats awesome.
2008-01-08 20:47 < Cyrius> they draw black boxes over stuff, people edit PDFs to remove black boxes
2008-01-08 20:48 < theINC> so, back to the filter that the .au gov wants to put in
2008-01-08 20:48 < Leslie_S> Cyrius, youd think that a redacted PDF would be made from a scanned-in hard copy, which is already redacted...
2008-01-08 20:48 < theINC> our internet is already freaking slow at the moment
2008-01-08 20:48 < Leslie_S> Cyrius, or something
2008-01-08 20:48 < Cyrius> Leslie_S: they don't _always_ make this mistake
2008-01-08 20:48 < Cyrius> but it has happened several times
2008-01-08 20:48 < Leslie_S> rofl
2008-01-08 20:48 < TheWeasel> Romney concedes
2008-01-08 20:48 < Leslie_S> thats awesome
2008-01-08 20:48 < theINC> average plan is something like $30 a month for 1.5mbps with a 200MB limit
2008-01-08 20:48 < Yert> ROMNEY is on tv
2008-01-08 20:48 < theINC> and when you go over that limit
2008-01-08 20:49 < theINC> you pay money per MB/GB you use
2008-01-08 20:49 < Yert> His kids look like clones of him
2008-01-08 20:49 < Yert> Its creepy
2008-01-08 20:49 < theINC> I used to have ADSL which was something like 512kbps (so even slower) but had a 20GB download limit
2008-01-08 20:49 < Leslie_S> i remember in the 90s when i wanted ISDN
2008-01-08 20:49 < theINC> for $50
2008-01-08 20:49 < Leslie_S> rofl
2008-01-08 20:49 < theINC> but now that I live in the country, we have satellite internet
2008-01-08 20:49 < Leslie_S> it was like twice the speed of dialup, remember that?
2008-01-08 20:49 < theINC> which is the same speed, but a 1GB download limit
2008-01-08 20:49 < theINC> for the same price
2008-01-08 20:50 < TheWeasel> Why does Romney stutter on the "they"?
2008-01-08 20:50 < theINC> (both are throttled down at the end of your download limit)
2008-01-08 20:50 < Yert> my speed is 1.5mbps
2008-01-08 20:50 < theINC> leslie_s: oh I had that one time
2008-01-08 20:50 < theINC> horrrrrible
2008-01-08 20:50 < Leslie_S> theINC, i never had anything besides dialup until like 2000ish
2008-01-08 20:50 < AzaTht> anyone think [[Image:Theodore Roosevelt on broken glass.jpg]] could be useful in an article?
2008-01-08 20:50 < theINC> satellite internet is horrible actually
2008-01-08 20:50 < theINC> gigantic pings
2008-01-08 20:50 < Yert> TheWeasel: He is a dumb werido.
2008-01-08 20:50 < AzaTht> still uncertain about the title of it
2008-01-08 20:50 < Leslie_S> theINC, erm, ISDN is not sattelite.
2008-01-08 20:50 < Yert> I got DSL in 2005
2008-01-08 20:50 < theINC> Leslie_S: I know
2008-01-08 20:51 < theINC> treating them seperately
2008-01-08 20:51 < theINC> I had dial-up
2008-01-08 20:51 < Leslie_S> theINC, anyway, in 2000 i got sattelite. 2 way, starband. it wasnt too bad, except when we were forced to upgrade to a newer model satmodem, which SUCKED.
2008-01-08 20:51 < theINC> then ISDN (parents ran a business form home and needed the phoneline for calls)
2008-01-08 20:51 < geniice> 40/34
2008-01-08 20:51 < Yert> geniice: Yay
2008-01-08 20:51 < theINC> well, I'm in 2008
2008-01-08 20:51 < theINC> and I have satellite
2008-01-08 20:51 < theINC> and it has massive pings
2008-01-08 20:51 < Yert> obama is losing ground
2008-01-08 20:51 < theINC> no gaming :(
2008-01-08 20:51 < Leslie_S> theINC, we literally rendered 2 or 3 of these satmodems unusable in a year, simply because in ordinary usage they couldnt adequately cool themselves.
2008-01-08 20:51 < theINC> clunky browsing :(
2008-01-08 20:51 < Yert> ST47: Obama 34, Hillary 40
2008-01-08 20:51 < theINC> Leslie_S: ouch
2008-01-08 20:51 < Leslie_S> theINC, the original one had a fan in it, but it was nearly the size of a computer.
2008-01-08 20:52 < theINC> hah
2008-01-08 20:52 < geniice> Yert um somehow the system has just given oboma -2k votes
2008-01-08 20:52 < theINC> ours has a fan in it
2008-01-08 20:52 < theINC> and it's probably around the same size as like, a 15" dell notebook?
2008-01-08 20:52 < ggreer> as we all know online polls are extremely accurate
2008-01-08 20:52 < Leslie_S> theINC, the original one also had a real ethernet port on it, but was disabled and covered with a piece of metal, and a USB expansion card was in it.
2008-01-08 20:52 < theINC> but it's noisy
2008-01-08 20:52 < theINC> lol
2008-01-08 20:52 < AzaTht> anything belove 10Mbit for a fixed line is too low
2008-01-08 20:53 < Leslie_S> theINC, they claimed there was no way to use ethernet with it, it didnt support it. but you could pull the USB card out, and take the piece of metal off the ethernet port, and hook it up to a router.
2008-01-08 20:53 < theINC> so, my original point was
2008-01-08 20:53 < Yert> people are chanting "MITT MITT MITT MITT"
2008-01-08 20:53 < theINC> that the internet is slow enough in Aus as it is
2008-01-08 20:53 < Yert> its quite strange
2008-01-08 20:53 < theINC> we don't need another layer of filtering to add to my ping
2008-01-08 20:53 < desolator> hey, I need help with something
2008-01-08 20:53 < Leslie_S> theINC, the new one officially supported ethernet, but was somehow jacked up so it had to be plugged directly into a computer..you could not hook it up to a router, it just wouldnt work. (i tried it)
2008-01-08 20:53 < TheWeasel> Why do Americans have this "best nation on earth" fetish?
2008-01-08 20:53 < TheWeasel> it gets votes?
2008-01-08 20:53 < AzaTht> TheWeasel: ignorance
2008-01-08 20:54 < TheWeasel> hm
2008-01-08 20:54 < Leslie_S> theINC, you had to use a computer with two network cards to use NAT.
2008-01-08 20:54 < desolator> someone reverted my edit on Defense of the Ancients because he's changing the userbox to Dota Allstars, and Dota allstars isn't the classic Defense of the Ancients, and it's even more misleading the picture in the software box.
2008-01-08 20:54 < geniice> lack of confidence
2008-01-08 20:54 < theINC> Leslie_S: yu can hook ours up to a router (that's what I'm doing atm) but for some reason sites in the US with high traffic time out, and you get half the page, usually missing pictures or CSS
2008-01-08 20:54 < ggreer> TheWeasel: what is the best nation on earth?
2008-01-08 20:54 < Leslie_S> theINC, what are you using exactly?
2008-01-08 20:54 < TheWeasel> There are no objective criteria
2008-01-08 20:55 < Leslie_S> theINC, anyway, ive had cable since 2005, and im really happy with it. for a while in 2004 i had to revert to dialup.
2008-01-08 20:55 < TheWeasel> at least not sufficient
2008-01-08 20:55 < AzaTht> ggreer: depends on what criteria you are refering to
2008-01-08 20:55 < theINC> IPstar satellite modem and a D-Link DI-624 (lemme check that one) wifi router
2008-01-08 20:55 < desolator> DOTA allstars was a derivated from Defense of the Ancients, that would be like someone hijacking UNIX and renaming the software box to the latest kernel of Linux?
2008-01-08 20:55 < theINC> though I get the same error when I'm wired to it
2008-01-08 20:55 < Leslie_S> theINC, lol
2008-01-08 20:55 < TheWeasel> Kind of depends on what you're looking for
2008-01-08 20:55 < ggreer> TheWeasel: most inmates! WE WIN!
2008-01-08 20:55 < desolator> or BSD?
2008-01-08 20:55 < TheWeasel> heh
2008-01-08 20:55 < theINC> the problem is that we're using d-link
2008-01-08 20:56 < TheWeasel> We have the world's biggest per capita cabbage consumption
2008-01-08 20:56 < Leslie_S> theINC, anyway, people on irc always told me i should get cable when i had sattelite (it was pretty obvious that it sucked). but i guess nobody understood the whole concept of not being ABLE TO GET CABLE...
2008-01-08 20:56 < AzaTht> he
2008-01-08 20:56 < Yert> ew obama gained a percent back
2008-01-08 20:56 < Leslie_S> theINC, cable was totally unavailable here until 2004.
2008-01-08 20:56 < Mark_Ryan> Leslie_S: maybe you should get cable
2008-01-08 20:56 < theINC> Leslie_S: I can't even get DSL, too far from the exchange
2008-01-08 20:56 < Leslie_S> Mark_Ryan, i HAVE cable.
2008-01-08 20:56 < theINC> ouch
2008-01-08 20:56 < Mark_Ryan> Leslie_S: maybe you should get satellite, then ;)
2008-01-08 20:56 < ggreer> Yert: what are you talking about?
2008-01-08 20:56 < theINC> my old house had DSL but not cable
2008-01-08 20:56 < Leslie_S> theINC, "cant even"? i thought cable was available in more places than DSL?
2008-01-08 20:56 < geniice> 40/35
2008-01-08 20:57 < theINC> not in Aus
2008-01-08 20:57 < theINC> there's more phone line than cable TV cable
2008-01-08 20:57 < Mark_Ryan> just about every telephone exchange in Australia is DSL-enabled
2008-01-08 20:57 < Leslie_S> theINC, heh. its not a lack of phone line, its the distance from the telco.
2008-01-08 20:57 < Leslie_S> Mark_Ryan, oh, thats interesting.
2008-01-08 20:57 < Mark_Ryan> it's by far the most-used form of broadband
2008-01-08 20:57 < theINC> yeah that's what I meant :P
2008-01-08 20:57 < Mark_Ryan> here, I mean
2008-01-08 20:57 < Yert> omg hillary went down to 39
2008-01-08 20:57 < Leslie_S> its ridiculously limited around here.
2008-01-08 20:57 < theINC> perhaps more exchanges here?
2008-01-08 20:57 < theINC> but they do it by population
2008-01-08 20:58 < Leslie_S> anyway, brb.
2008-01-08 20:58 < theINC> and so if you're in the inner-city
2008-01-08 20:58 < theINC> no problem
2008-01-08 20:58 < TheWeasel> but it's a far slower decline than Edwards in IA
2008-01-08 20:58 < theINC> but if you're in the country
2008-01-08 20:58 < theINC> problem
2008-01-08 20:58 < TheWeasel> with a far better cushion
2008-01-08 20:58 < ggreer> Yert: hello? link to whatever you're talking about
2008-01-08 20:58 < Mark_Ryan> theINC: also, the cable coverage of Optus and Telstra in Australia is pretty paltry. in Perth only like 10 suburbs have the cables laid, and they're not doing any more because they have total satellite coverage anyway
2008-01-08 20:58 < Yert> http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#NH
2008-01-08 20:58 < Yert> Not_the_NSA: OMG HILLARY IS PWNING OBAMA
2008-01-08 20:59 < AzaTht> TheWeasel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
2008-01-08 20:59 < theINC> Mark_Ryan: yeah, all pay TV services are satellite now
2008-01-08 20:59 < Cyrius> final warning, stop your damn yelling
2008-01-08 20:59 < TheWeasel> HDI = Best?
2008-01-08 20:59 < Not_the_NSA> Yert: REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2008-01-08 20:59 < Leslie_S> heh, i went to claires today. talk about girly.
2008-01-08 20:59 < Not_the_NSA> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2008-01-08 20:59 < AzaTht> that would perhaps be the most objective
2008-01-08 20:59 < ST47> NO MORE CAPS
2008-01-08 20:59 < Yert> Not_the_NSA: 40 to 36
2008-01-08 20:59 < LuciferTiger> w00t!!! clinton is 39
2008-01-08 20:59 < LuciferTiger> obama 36
2008-01-08 21:00 < ST47> And it's 39-36
2008-01-08 21:00 < LuciferTiger> close that gap baby
2008-01-08 21:00 < Mark_Ryan> theINC: they still use the cables, don't they? one of my friends has cable foxtel and gets her internet through that
2008-01-08 21:00 < Yert> open the gap, hillary
2008-01-08 21:00 < TheWeasel> Norway is really expensive
2008-01-08 21:00 < desolator> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Defense_of_the_Ancients#Defense_of_the_Ancients_.3D_Defense_of_the_Ancients_-_Allstars.3F
2008-01-08 21:00 < theINC> Mark_Ryan: yeah, I guess
2008-01-08 21:00 < TheWeasel> for instance
2008-01-08 21:00 < Yert> shes back at 40
2008-01-08 21:00 < theINC> desolator: dota?
2008-01-08 21:00 < AzaTht> TheWeasel: true, but they got loads of cash
2008-01-08 21:00 < LuciferTiger> no shes not
2008-01-08 21:00 < Aranda56> raul here?
2008-01-08 21:00 * Cyrius doesn't understand why democrats would vote for a pro-war candidate
2008-01-08 21:01 < desolator> yes theINC
2008-01-08 21:01 < Mark_Ryan> theINC: actually, I was wrong when I said there's total satellite coverage. those in northwest WA can get neither Foxtel nor Austar :-\
2008-01-08 21:01 < theINC> gee, I wish I could play dota or team fortress 2...
2008-01-08 21:01 < Yert> Lol, hukabee is aking a speech on CNN and some guy was holding a sign right in front of the camera
2008-01-08 21:01 < theINC> stupid satellite internet
2008-01-08 21:01 < theINC> Mark_Ryan: ouch :(
2008-01-08 21:01 < AzaTht> TheWeasel: "It is a standard means of measuring well-being"
2008-01-08 21:01 < bumm13> hiya Mark_Ryan
2008-01-08 21:01 < Mark_Ryan> hi bumm13 :)
2008-01-08 21:02 < theINC> so, my original point
2008-01-08 21:02 < TheWeasel> Iceland has terrible weather
2008-01-08 21:02 < theINC> was that the new party in power wants to censor the internet
2008-01-08 21:02 < AzaTht> haha
2008-01-08 21:02 < theINC> when all of their campaign they were saying "Australia has slow internet and we're gonna fix that!"
2008-01-08 21:02 < theINC> so they've already gone back on their word
2008-01-08 21:02 < AzaTht> TheWeasel: that's subjective
2008-01-08 21:02 < ggreer> theINC: hah, with what? ansible?
2008-01-08 21:03 < ggreer> iceland does have terrible weather
2008-01-08 21:03 < Mark_Ryan> mandatory ISP-level filtering
2008-01-08 21:03 < Mark_Ryan> opt-out. what a joke
2008-01-08 21:03 < theINC> Mark_Ryan: indeed
2008-01-08 21:03 < ggreer> of course I live in california, land of sunshine and we-know-best-for-you government
2008-01-08 21:03 < AzaTht> theINC: doesn aus have lousy net?
2008-01-08 21:03 < TheWeasel> I think it's a very industrial-society-centric "good country" notion
2008-01-08 21:03 < Mark_Ryan> amazing how a government that was so widely supported at the election could go and so something so unpopular in their first months in office
2008-01-08 21:03 < TheWeasel> but yea
2008-01-08 21:03 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-08 21:03 < theINC> AzaTht: very lousy internet
2008-01-08 21:04 < AzaTht> We have rather good internet infrastructure
2008-01-08 21:04 < theINC> Mark_Ryan: originally we thought that the Liberal party was very conservative and was the god-botherer's party of choice
2008-01-08 21:04 < theINC> not the case it seems
2008-01-08 21:04 < bumm13> ggreer: not to mention very inept government :P
2008-01-08 21:04 < Rinn> What's the max quit message length on Freenode?
2008-01-08 21:04 < bumm13> and some of the shittiest public schools in the U.S.
2008-01-08 21:04 < ggreer> bumm13: yeah, and sales tax evasion
2008-01-08 21:04 < Mark_Ryan> theINC: Labor probably wants the support of Family First in the senate before July
2008-01-08 21:04 < AzaTht> theINC: why is it so?
2008-01-08 21:04 < ggreer> amazon's entire business model is based on not having any property in california
2008-01-08 21:04 < ggreer> they just have huge warehouses on the nevada border
2008-01-08 21:05 < bumm13> smart thinking :)
2008-01-08 21:05 < TheWeasel> minority governments suck in general
2008-01-08 21:05 < theINC> AzaTht: because? iunno, the majority of pollies are internet-fearing or are "happy" with what we have
2008-01-08 21:05 < TheWeasel> generate strange bedfellows
2008-01-08 21:05 < Mark_Ryan> Rinn: why don't you quit and see?
2008-01-08 21:05 < theINC> not knowing that the internet in other countries is 10 times faster
2008-01-08 21:05 < ggreer> heck yeah, I ordered my TV from amazon and there was no sales tax and free shipping
2008-01-08 21:05 < bumm13> ggreer: Amazon has a distribution facility in Fernley, Nevada
2008-01-08 21:05 < bumm13> 35 min. east of Reno
2008-01-08 21:05 < ggreer> haha
2008-01-08 21:06 < AzaTht> theINC: out goverment though it was best to dig fibers to every small village in the country
2008-01-08 21:06 < AzaTht> our*
2008-01-08 21:06 < bumm13> of course, that city just got flooded recently :P
2008-01-08 21:06 < ggreer> aww
2008-01-08 21:06 < ggreer> I flew in from spokane on friday
2008-01-08 21:06 < theINC> last time I bought something on Amazon, a CD, it was cheaper than iTunes, including postage to australia
2008-01-08 21:06 < Rinn> Good idea, Mark.
2008-01-08 21:06 < theINC> pretty odd
2008-01-08 21:06 < ggreer> the weather was pretty crazy
2008-01-08 21:06 < ggreer> landing in a 40mph crosswind and all that
2008-01-08 21:06 < bumm13> yeah
2008-01-08 21:06 < theINC> it was like $16.99 to download from iTunes
2008-01-08 21:06 < amidaniel> Oye .. this dem. primary is way too close
2008-01-08 21:07 < theINC> and $15.98 or something with postage to australai
2008-01-08 21:07 < ggreer> theINC: amazon has an mp3 store as well
2008-01-08 21:07 < TheWeasel> boy, they're counting slowly
2008-01-08 21:07 < theINC> *australia
2008-01-08 21:07 < theINC> ggreer: this was before then
2008-01-08 21:07 < ggreer> also, doesn't amazon have a .au store?
2008-01-08 21:07 < Rinn> It didn't fit. :(
2008-01-08 21:07 < ggreer> oh
2008-01-08 21:07 < theINC> ggreer: nope.
2008-01-08 21:07 < Mark_Ryan> Rinn, it didn't show a quit message at all. try again
2008-01-08 21:07 < theINC> the US one posts to Aus
2008-01-08 21:07 < theINC> and that's it
2008-01-08 21:07 < ggreer> wow
2008-01-08 21:07 < bumm13> it is strange
2008-01-08 21:07 < Rinn> Eh? Someone said it showed up in another channel.
2008-01-08 21:07 < ggreer> have you tried ordering from amazon.jp or some other country that is closer?
2008-01-08 21:07 < Mark_Ryan> damn
2008-01-08 21:07 < Mark_Ryan> :)
2008-01-08 21:07 < ggreer> it might be even cheaper
2008-01-08 21:08 < theINC> ggreer: good point. don't know if .jp or .uk post to aus though
2008-01-08 21:08 < Rinn> It was supposed to be "I don't know... with all that's happened recently, I feel like... I-I just... wanna VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN 2008! I SUPPORT THE GOLD STANDARD! HELP USHER AMERICA INTO A BRIGHT NEW FUTURE!"
2008-01-08 21:08 < theINC> really US isn't that far
2008-01-08 21:08 < bumm13> from Australia? oh yes it is
2008-01-08 21:08 < Mark_Ryan> apparently they're not selling that new Tom Cruise unauthorised biography in Australia or the UK, so if we wanna buy it here, we have to have it imported from the US
2008-01-08 21:08 < ggreer> it's like the opposite side of the planet
2008-01-08 21:08 < TheWeasel> Rinn: BLOW UP ALL AMERICAN EMBASSIES ABROAD!
2008-01-08 21:08 * theINC needs to find the language switch for .jp
2008-01-08 21:08 < ggreer> Rinn: yeah, let's declare war on the war on christmas!
2008-01-08 21:09 < theINC> OOP, THERE IT IS
2008-01-08 21:09 < JT> uk and jp aren't much closer to au than the us
2008-01-08 21:09 < Cyrius> TheWeasel: that'd be a waste of taxpayer funds
2008-01-08 21:09 < theINC> sorry about caps
2008-01-08 21:09 < TheWeasel> OUT OF ALL INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, ESPECIALLY THE EVIL OCEAN PHONE CABLE
2008-01-08 21:09 < JT> also, the exchange rate is best with usd
2008-01-08 21:09 < ggreer> TheWeasel: yeah, screw infrastructure
2008-01-08 21:09 * ST47 whacks TheWeasel
2008-01-08 21:09 < JT> makes no sense to buy from jp or uk to au
2008-01-08 21:09 < ggreer> private companies will build it
2008-01-08 21:09 < theINC> JT: JP is closer than the US
2008-01-08 21:09 < Mark_Ryan> JT: Florida is antipodeal to where I live. anything is closer.
2008-01-08 21:09 < theINC> UK is further
2008-01-08 21:10 < theINC> you have to cross the dateline to get to the US
2008-01-08 21:10 < TheWeasel> ggreer: No, because the US needs no stinkin' diplomatic relationships
2008-01-08 21:10 < JT> theINC: and it's more expensive and has a language barrier
2008-01-08 21:10 < ggreer> you have to go back in TIME time time time (echoes) .....
2008-01-08 21:10 < ggreer> to get to the US
2008-01-08 21:10 < theINC> JT: i'm just checking on postage from JP to aus
2008-01-08 21:10 < theINC> seeing if they even do post from JP to aus
2008-01-08 21:10 < TheWeasel> Ralph Reed... brr...
2008-01-08 21:10 < zocky> so, did obama win?
2008-01-08 21:11 < TheWeasel> no
2008-01-08 21:11 < TheWeasel> Hillary leads
2008-01-08 21:11 < JT> theINC: check the exchange rate, way more important
2008-01-08 21:11 < Yert> zocky: No. He is getting pwned by Hillary
2008-01-08 21:11 < Mark_Ryan> ah McCain, you've done it again
2008-01-08 21:11 < JT> as every week passes, the USD seems to get raped more
2008-01-08 21:11 < LuciferTiger> damn damn damn damn
2008-01-08 21:11 < AzaTht> hmm, I don't trust the OECD data about broadband subscription
2008-01-08 21:11 < theINC> geez
2008-01-08 21:11 < theINC> $30 per shipment
2008-01-08 21:11 < theINC> no
2008-01-08 21:11 < theINC> crap
2008-01-08 21:11 < AzaTht> 28.6% is too low
2008-01-08 21:11 < TheWeasel> Ron Paul only one per cent behind Giuliani
2008-01-08 21:11 < zocky> zomg, hillary is in the lead
2008-01-08 21:12 < bumm13> TheWeasel: lol
2008-01-08 21:12 < AzaTht> zocky: and?
2008-01-08 21:12 * TheWeasel always thinks they're chanting "hacky sack"
2008-01-08 21:12 < Yert> zocky: She deserves to be in the lead.
2008-01-08 21:12 < Yert> TheWeasel: Lol
2008-01-08 21:12 < TheWeasel> but they're chanting Mc Is Back
2008-01-08 21:12 < Yert> "MAC IS BACK"
2008-01-08 21:12 < zocky> so, people want the alternating dynasties to continue, and it's not yet the right time for the first barbarian emperor?
2008-01-08 21:12 < zocky> that's what, circa 90 AD?
2008-01-08 21:12 * Cyrius doesn't understand why a democrat would vote for a pro-war candidate
2008-01-08 21:12 < LauriSiska> anyone decent at video editing?
2008-01-08 21:13 < ggreer> I don't understand why anyone would ever vote for someone named bush or clinton
2008-01-08 21:13 < ggreer> ever again
2008-01-08 21:13 * Yert doesnt understand why Cyrius would vote for obama
2008-01-08 21:13 < Mark_Ryan> Cyrius: which one is pro-war?
2008-01-08 21:13 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: Clinton.
2008-01-08 21:13 < theINC> so, .au government wants to take money out of the Future Fund (which is where the budget surplus goes, pays their pension for the pollies who have retired) to give us fast broadband
2008-01-08 21:13 < brion> Cyrius: democratic party created the US's involvement in vietnam war. what's more pro-war than that? :)
2008-01-08 21:13 < theINC> and then they go and put a filter on us
2008-01-08 21:13 < AzaTht> zocky: as long the next Us prez isn't a republican ツ
2008-01-08 21:13 < theINC> seems counter-productive
2008-01-08 21:13 < TheWeasel> Clinton is not pro-war
2008-01-08 21:13 < Cyrius> TheWeasel: her record says otherwise
2008-01-08 21:13 < ggreer> mccain is a terrible speaker compared to obama
2008-01-08 21:13 < Cyrius> her statements on iran say otherwise
2008-01-08 21:13 < ggreer> he doesn't speak, he reads
2008-01-08 21:13 < Mark_Ryan> Cyrius: well, maybe she knows more than the average democrat about the reasons for the war.
2008-01-08 21:13 < zocky> AzaTht, when hillary bombs iran, I won't care that she's a democrat
2008-01-08 21:13 < Yert> Cyrius: Your recored says otherwise as well.
2008-01-08 21:13 * Mark_Ryan senses a conspiracy
2008-01-08 21:14 < TheWeasel> she voted for it because she was unaware of socio-geography of the Middle East, it seems
2008-01-08 21:14 < TheWeasel> she doesn't like or endorse war
2008-01-08 21:14 < Cyrius> oh, so she's just ignorant and irresponsible
2008-01-08 21:14 < theINC> see, it's $5 per shipment and $5 per item from Amazon US
2008-01-08 21:14 < zocky> TheWeasel, ah, she was just unaware of sociogeography? wasn't that what the whole world laughed at bush for?
2008-01-08 21:14 < theINC> compared to $30 per shipment and $20 per item from Amazon Japan
2008-01-08 21:14 < theINC> so no, no, no.
2008-01-08 21:15 < TheWeasel> yea, but only the non-American world
2008-01-08 21:15 < ggreer> theINC: can you get amazon prime?
2008-01-08 21:15 < ggreer> I have prime and it gives me free 2-day shipping on everything
2008-01-08 21:15 < Cyrius> and Yert, you're going to stop with the ad hominems, or you're not going to be in here
2008-01-08 21:16 < Cyrius> I'm already annoyed with you
2008-01-08 21:16 < zocky> the problem with all of them is that they just think that this was the wrong war, not that war is a bad way to solve things
2008-01-08 21:16 < Yert> Cyrius: Are you promoting your own agenda?
2008-01-08 21:16 < theINC> hmm, i don't think so
2008-01-08 21:16 < theINC> they don't want to give us cheap express shipping to australia
2008-01-08 21:16 < Cyrius> yes. my agenda is that there aren't enough tasty tasty enchiladas available to the children of the world
2008-01-08 21:16 * OverlordQ would vote for Thompson/Hunter
2008-01-08 21:16 < Mark_Ryan> Cyrius: you are unAmerican
2008-01-08 21:16 < TheWeasel> I actually thought Hunter was pretty sharp.
2008-01-08 21:17 < TheWeasel> Thompson is a joke
2008-01-08 21:17 < TheWeasel> but nobody gives a damn about Hunter
2008-01-08 21:17 < theINC> here's the Amazon to .au shipping rates
2008-01-08 21:17 < Mark_Ryan> A patriotic American would be concerned about the number of Big Macs available to the children of the world, not enchiladas
2008-01-08 21:17 < theINC> http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=596190
2008-01-08 21:17 * Mark_Ryan wonders if Cyrius is in fact Canadian or something
2008-01-08 21:18 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: I'm a Texan. We invented most of what is called "mexican" food
2008-01-08 21:18 < AzaTht> zocky: hehe
2008-01-08 21:18 < Cyrius> (which is actually tex-mex)
2008-01-08 21:18 < TheWeasel> lol
2008-01-08 21:18 < ggreer> most americans wouldn't recognize real mexican food
2008-01-08 21:18 < ggreer> but it's delicious
2008-01-08 21:18 < Mark_Ryan> Cyrius: you invented tacos?
2008-01-08 21:18 < TheWeasel> McCain misread "party" as "property"
2008-01-08 21:18 < zocky> Cyrius, was that at the time when texas was in mexico?
2008-01-08 21:18 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: I think we got the crunchy kind
2008-01-08 21:18 < Yert> TheWeasel: Lol.
2008-01-08 21:18 < TheWeasel> "I'm going to put back our property where it belongs" or something
2008-01-08 21:19 < Yert> TheWeasel: LOL
2008-01-08 21:19 < ggreer> I don't think mccain spends much time practicing speeches
2008-01-08 21:19 < Cyrius> zocky: started then, kept changing
2008-01-08 21:19 < ggreer> haha, YOU ESS AY
2008-01-08 21:19 < Yert> TheWeasel: All the chanting probably has him confused.
2008-01-08 21:19 < Mark_Ryan> Cyrius: I am eternally grateful to the people of Texas, and indeed to all US Americans
2008-01-08 21:19 < TheWeasel> he's strangely tired and grandfatherly
2008-01-08 21:19 < Yert> I don't like texas.
2008-01-08 21:19 < TheWeasel> more like Reagan
2008-01-08 21:20 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: also chili con queso and fajitas
2008-01-08 21:20 < Mark_Ryan> looks like the gap between Clinton and Obama is down to 3%
2008-01-08 21:20 < TheWeasel> like the weird grandfather who asks you where you put his glasses every five minutes
2008-01-08 21:20 < ggreer> nice, burn
2008-01-08 21:20 < Mark_Ryan> Cyrius: is El Paso in Texas?
2008-01-08 21:20 < Yert> Mark_Ryan: yES
2008-01-08 21:20 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: on the Texas side of the border
2008-01-08 21:20 < zocky> if mccain is like reagan, his brain pacemaker is a newer version
2008-01-08 21:20 < Yert> *Yes
2008-01-08 21:20 < ggreer> zocky: unlike reagan, mccain is a freaking war hero
2008-01-08 21:21 < zocky> reagan was utterly confused almost all the time
2008-01-08 21:21 < Cyrius> its Mexican sibling is Juarez
2008-01-08 21:21 < Mark_Ryan> Cyrius: that makes sense, all the "mexican" food stuff you buy here, like taco shells, is "Old El Paso" brand
2008-01-08 21:21 < Yert> They are chanting again.
2008-01-08 21:21 < TheWeasel> he's much more alive usually
2008-01-08 21:21 < ggreer> I guess getting shot down over hanoi followed by years of torture changes you
2008-01-08 21:21 < Yert> :O
2008-01-08 21:21 < zocky> it doesn't necessarily qualify you for any particular career, though
2008-01-08 21:21 < Mark_Ryan> isn't it amazing how different the republican results are in New Hampshire as opposed to Iowa?
2008-01-08 21:22 < ggreer> zocky: yeah, but he seems like an alright guy
2008-01-08 21:22 < ggreer> Yert: you did not know of this?
2008-01-08 21:22 < Yert> ggreer: Did'nt know what?
2008-01-08 21:22 < Mark_Ryan> Huckabee only 12%. I guess they don't hold with Baptist stuff much in New Hampshire
2008-01-08 21:22 < zocky> ggreer, he's a mad bastard who wants to drop more bombs on people. that's all the information I need about him, tyvm.
2008-01-08 21:22 < ggreer> Yert: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Prisoner_of_war
2008-01-08 21:22 < TheWeasel> New Hampshire is a state about as different from Iowa as Scotland is to Ukraine.
2008-01-08 21:22 < Yert> ggreer: Yes I knew about that...
2008-01-08 21:22 < Yert> Everyone does.
2008-01-08 21:22 < ggreer> Yert: you'd be surprised
2008-01-08 21:23 < TheWeasel> about the same distance too
2008-01-08 21:23 < ggreer> hackey sack! hackey sack!
2008-01-08 21:23 < Mark_Ryan> TheWeasel: are you saying Iowa is like an eastern european country that drinks too much vodka and is in a permanent depression?
2008-01-08 21:23 < theINC> gee, i feel like a milkshake
2008-01-08 21:23 < zocky> working in a coal mine for 20 years to feed his family is more impressive than being a war hero, to me at least
2008-01-08 21:23 < ggreer> gravel could still win this. he's up to 130 votes
2008-01-08 21:23 < Yert> :O
2008-01-08 21:23 < theINC> and not in the Kelis' "My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard" sense
2008-01-08 21:23 < TheWeasel> I was thinking more of the landscape
2008-01-08 21:24 < g666rl> obama is gaining on cLIMTon
2008-01-08 21:24 < g666rl> hello all
2008-01-08 21:24 < TheWeasel> and hence the kind of people occupying it
2008-01-08 21:24 < Mark_Ryan> OMG Obama and Clinton have won 2 delegates each
2008-01-08 21:24 < ggreer> zocky: nah, anyone can do that. and most people who do manual labor all their lives aren't very intelligent
2008-01-08 21:24 < ST47> zOMG
2008-01-08 21:24 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: being a baptist will sell well in the south
2008-01-08 21:24 < ST47> They'll be winning a lot more sooner or later
2008-01-08 21:24 < zocky> ggreer, maybe, but they're at least not homocidal maniacs
2008-01-08 21:24 < ggreer> zocky: homicidal maniacs?
2008-01-08 21:25 < Mark_Ryan> Cyrius: what about the northeast and west?
2008-01-08 21:25 < zocky> we're talking about the guy who dropped tons and tons of explosives on inhabited areas, right=
2008-01-08 21:25 < zocky> ?
2008-01-08 21:25 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: not so much
2008-01-08 21:25 < g666rl> Mark_Ryan: what is the deal with the delegats??
2008-01-08 21:25 < ggreer> oh, you're equating war with murder
2008-01-08 21:25 < Mark_Ryan> g666rl: it's just a projected number CNN reckons they've won so far
2008-01-08 21:25 < g666rl> dead is dead
2008-01-08 21:25 < TheWeasel> God blast you as you have blasted me
2008-01-08 21:25 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: Romney has basically a 'gimme' on Utah =)
2008-01-08 21:25 < zocky> aggressive war against countries who did not attack you is murder, yes
2008-01-08 21:25 < Yert> McCain people are going wild
2008-01-08 21:25 < g666rl> Mark_Ryan: omg Buddy Holly on Mccand
2008-01-08 21:25 < NotACow> MOO!
2008-01-08 21:26 < ggreer> g666rl: oh? so then killing someone in self-defense is the same as killing someone for no reason?
2008-01-08 21:26 < TheWeasel> Wow, not sure Chuck would agree
2008-01-08 21:26 < Mark_Ryan> Cyrius: which state is south of Pennsylvania? Utah or Iowa? I always get those two mixed up
2008-01-08 21:26 < TheWeasel> to his song being played
2008-01-08 21:26 < Yert> Maryland is south of Pennsylvania
2008-01-08 21:26 < TheWeasel> South of PA is Maryland
2008-01-08 21:26 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: um, neither, they're both to the west
2008-01-08 21:26 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-08 21:26 * Yert lives in Erie, AP
2008-01-08 21:26 < Yert> *PA
2008-01-08 21:26 < Mark_Ryan> okay then, southwest of Pennsylvania
2008-01-08 21:26 < g666rl> ggreer: at present, the technological advantage of the usa is such that any war is tantamount to murder
2008-01-08 21:27 < g666rl> OMG its only TWO percent
2008-01-08 21:27 < Yert> southwest is West Virgina
2008-01-08 21:27 < bumm13> Iowa borders the Mississippi River to the east
2008-01-08 21:27 < TheWeasel> ggreer: The self-defence situation in war is self-induced
2008-01-08 21:27 < bumm13> Utah is much further west still
2008-01-08 21:27 < NotACow> ok, i'm now convinced: donating to wikimedia is stupid.
2008-01-08 21:27 < ggreer> TheWeasel: not really. vietnam had a draft
2008-01-08 21:27 < Cyrius> NotACow: you thought that already
2008-01-08 21:27 < NotACow> Cyrius: yes, but it's more evident now
2008-01-08 21:27 < Mark_Ryan> damn. one thing I hate about IE7 above all other things is the fact that an accidental click on the print button prints without prompting.
2008-01-08 21:27 < Yert> Mark_Ryan: Where are you from?
2008-01-08 21:27 < zocky> there was no self-defence in mccain's situation in vietnam
2008-01-08 21:27 < Yert> UK?
2008-01-08 21:27 < NotACow> sue gardner just hired an old friend to replace sandy ortonez
2008-01-08 21:27 < Mark_Ryan> Yert: southwest of California
2008-01-08 21:27 < zocky> he wasn't exactly shooting at vietcong operatives attacking his hometown in US
2008-01-08 21:27 < Yert> Mark_Ryan: LOL
2008-01-08 21:27 < g666rl> NotACow: its stupid go to www.scroogle.org to see how stupid
2008-01-08 21:28 < NotACow> ggreer: vietnam has a monsoon
2008-01-08 21:28 < Yert> And you tink utah is south of Pennsylvania?
2008-01-08 21:28 < ggreer> g666rl: so it's ok to kill someone in a fair fight?
2008-01-08 21:28 < TheWeasel> It's still absurd to compare it to a standard case of domestic criminal law
2008-01-08 21:28 < NotACow> Yert: it is
2008-01-08 21:28 < TheWeasel> the law itself does not do that
2008-01-08 21:28 < g666rl> how can the polls get it so wrong???
2008-01-08 21:28 < Cyrius> Yert: he's australian.
2008-01-08 21:28 < zocky> g666rl, how can the computers that count the votes get it so right, is the question
2008-01-08 21:28 < NotACow> Yert: most of utah is south of all of pennsylvania, and some of pennsylvania is north fo all of utah.
2008-01-08 21:29 * Yert is in the most northern part of PA
2008-01-08 21:29 < g666rl> zocky: the reps will fix those machines again come novimber
2008-01-08 21:29 < TheWeasel> In the case of draft, I guess the persons up the rank are the guilty ones
2008-01-08 21:29 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: as has been said, utah is mostly south of Pennsylvania, but it's 2000 miles west of it
2008-01-08 21:29 * Messedrocker goes to see if kelly martin updated her blerg
2008-01-08 21:29 < NotACow> Messedrocker: no, i haven't.
2008-01-08 21:29 < Messedrocker> nope!
2008-01-08 21:29 < Mark_Ryan> turns out I was thinking of Ohio, not Iowa or Utah
2008-01-08 21:29 < Cyrius> and Utah is not part of "the south"
2008-01-08 21:29 < NotACow> i'm too worn out to blog
2008-01-08 21:29 < Yert> :O
2008-01-08 21:29 < NotACow> utah isn't south
2008-01-08 21:29 < TheWeasel> Ohio is west of Pennsylvania
2008-01-08 21:29 < Yert> Mark_Ryan: Not much of a geography wiz?
2008-01-08 21:29 < NotACow> utah is like, well, utah.
2008-01-08 21:29 < Messedrocker> You were really on a roll with blugging
2008-01-08 21:30 < Cyrius> Yert: he's _australian_
2008-01-08 21:30 < Messedrocker> the "mountain west" i believe it's called
2008-01-08 21:30 < NotACow> Messedrocker: great basin.
2008-01-08 21:30 < Cyrius> Utah is its own little theocratic nation
2008-01-08 21:30 < g666rl> Its a FOUR letter state
2008-01-08 21:30 < bumm13> or even just "Rocky Mountain" region
2008-01-08 21:30 < Mark_Ryan> Yert: I know more than most Australians, and more than I really should be expected to know, living on the opposite side of the world
2008-01-08 21:30 < Yert> Cyrius: He said he lived in soutehrn California
2008-01-08 21:30 < zocky> utah is where people believe slightly more silly stuff than elsewhere around it
2008-01-08 21:30 < Cyrius> Yert: no, he didn't. he said he lived southwest of california
2008-01-08 21:30 < Mark_Ryan> Yert: no, I said I lived *southwest of* California :P
2008-01-08 21:30 < NotACow> Messedrocker: southwest of california is hawaii :)
2008-01-08 21:31 < Yert> Mark_Ryan: :O
2008-01-08 21:31 < g666rl> zocky: ideologically, utah is the south
2008-01-08 21:31 < Cyrius> depends on how far southwest you go!
2008-01-08 21:31 < bumm13> zocky: actually, Utah is truly weird :P
2008-01-08 21:31 < Cyrius> g666rl: nope. mormons.
2008-01-08 21:31 < NotACow> g666rl: no, ideologically utah is utah.
2008-01-08 21:31 < Messedrocker> southwest of Hawaii is Japan!
2008-01-08 21:31 < g666rl> hmmm
2008-01-08 21:31 < NotACow> Messedrocker: uh, you're confused :)
2008-01-08 21:31 < Mark_Ryan> Messedrocker: wouldn't that be northwest? or west?
2008-01-08 21:31 < Messedrocker> uhhh
2008-01-08 21:31 < zocky> bumm13, messages on gold plates is no more weird than messages on stone tablets, if you ask me
2008-01-08 21:31 < Messedrocker> i forgot where japan is in relation to hawaii
2008-01-08 21:31 < Mark_Ryan> :)
2008-01-08 21:31 * Messedrocker looks for a world map
2008-01-08 21:31 < NotACow> zocky: don't forget the special underwear
2008-01-08 21:31 < Yert> clintons people are so loud you can't hear the reporter
2008-01-08 21:31 < Cyrius> zocky: weirdness is irrelevant, it's _different_
2008-01-08 21:31 < g666rl> Cyrius: arent mormons conservative christians?
2008-01-08 21:31 < bumm13> zocky: that's assuming that all Americans are Christian, which simply isn't true
2008-01-08 21:32 < ggreer> g666rl: yes but they're super happy
2008-01-08 21:32 < Cyrius> g666rl: whether mormons are Christians is a subject of argument
2008-01-08 21:32 < TheWeasel> Japan is northwest of Hawaii
2008-01-08 21:32 < Messedrocker> West of Hawaii is Japan
2008-01-08 21:32 < NotACow> bumm13: all americans are christian. non christians are not americans, you know
2008-01-08 21:32 < bumm13> whereas Utah is highly Mormon
2008-01-08 21:32 < NotACow> it's a christian nation
2008-01-08 21:32 < zocky> bumm13, of course not all, but you do have very high rates of people who believe in god
2008-01-08 21:32 < Messedrocker> Not South or Northwest
2008-01-08 21:32 < NotACow> w00t
2008-01-08 21:32 < Mark_Ryan> I've been playing some US electoral college-style games lately, so I'm starting to learn where the respective states are, but it's slow. you guys should seriously consider amalgamating some states :P
2008-01-08 21:32 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-08 21:32 * Yert bumm13.
2008-01-08 21:32 < zocky> Mark_Ryan, they should alphabetize them
2008-01-08 21:32 < Mark_Ryan> like North Dakota and South Dakota :P
2008-01-08 21:33 < bumm13> Mark_Ryan: 2/3 of our country is actually populated! :x
2008-01-08 21:33 < g666rl> NotACow: any state that can produce a hatemonger like O S Card who declared Al Gore Nobel Prize a religious Prize is a redneck state to me
2008-01-08 21:33 < zocky> alabama should be where washington state is
2008-01-08 21:33 * Yert wishes Pennsylvania would cede from the US
2008-01-08 21:33 < bumm13> eww
2008-01-08 21:33 < bumm13> just saying that is revolting ;p
2008-01-08 21:33 < zocky> and then they should proceed alphabetically to the east
2008-01-08 21:33 < TheWeasel> Tokyo is fifteen degrees further north than Hawaii
2008-01-08 21:33 < NotACow> g666rl: i'm from a redneck state, and i'm offended by the characterization of utah as "redneck"
2008-01-08 21:33 < TheWeasel> Admittedly, far further south than I thought
2008-01-08 21:33 < Messedrocker> Is that substantial enough to make it considered Northwest?
2008-01-08 21:33 < Cyrius> NotACow: hah.
2008-01-08 21:33 < Mark_Ryan> do they get snow in Hawaii?
2008-01-08 21:33 < g666rl> NotACow: lol
2008-01-08 21:33 < NotACow> g666rl: utah is beyond even redneck.
2008-01-08 21:33 < TheWeasel> wait
2008-01-08 21:33 < Messedrocker> wait... 15 degrees
2008-01-08 21:33 < Messedrocker> that's a lot
2008-01-08 21:33 * zocky goes smoke a cigarette in balkanese fog
2008-01-08 21:33 < NotACow> g666rl: utah is the ONLY state that does not allow nonfault divorce
2008-01-08 21:33 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: on top of the volcanoes, I think it has happened
2008-01-08 21:33 < g666rl> NotACow: you got that right
2008-01-08 21:34 < bumm13> yes
2008-01-08 21:34 < NotACow> g666rl: that's why i said that utah is utah. there's nothing else in the US like utah.
2008-01-08 21:34 < bumm13> at the highest elevations
2008-01-08 21:34 < g666rl> NotACow:what is that?
2008-01-08 21:34 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: as it turns out...it frequently snows on the volcanoes
2008-01-08 21:34 < Mark_Ryan> NotACow: I think they introduced that here in like 1960
2008-01-08 21:34 < NotACow> g666rl: divorce without having to prove grounds.
2008-01-08 21:34 < NotACow> g666rl: in utah you have to PROVE that you are entitled to a divorce, in court
2008-01-08 21:34 < Yert> Polygamists!
2008-01-08 21:34 < g666rl> NotACow: OMG
2008-01-08 21:34 < Cyrius> "People do snowboard and snow ski on Mauna Kea (Hawaiian for white mountain) on the Big Island of Hawaii."
2008-01-08 21:35 < g666rl> how come utahns are so rich??
2008-01-08 21:35 < NotACow> g666rl: you have to prove that your husband beats you, or abuses you, or oen of the other dozen or so grounds
2008-01-08 21:35 < Mark_Ryan> Cyrius: that's quite interesting, considering I always assumed Hawaii was permanently warm
2008-01-08 21:35 < Mark_Ryan> NotACow: abandonment
2008-01-08 21:35 < Cyrius> Mark_Ryan: it is. the volcanoes are _tall_
2008-01-08 21:35 < NotACow> Mark_Ryan: you have to wait two years for abandonment
2008-01-08 21:35 < TheWeasel> even the initial heading for a flight HNL-TOK wouldnt qualify as northwest
2008-01-08 21:35 < g666rl> NotACow: how come utahns are so rich??