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2008-01-08 13:07 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat freespace 2 is open source now
2008-01-08 13:07 < Shiroi_Neko> so you can aquire it for free
2008-01-08 13:08 < Doc_glasgow> This is not funny [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/East German jokes]] - they want to keep an on-line jokebook
2008-01-08 13:08 < Doc_glasgow> or do I simply not get the German sense of humo(u)r
2008-01-08 13:09 < LOUD_CAT> Shiroi_Neko - I thought the engine was, but the game was not
2008-01-08 13:09 < Shiroi_Neko> I dono
2008-01-08 13:09 < Shiroi_Neko> I bought it so how free it gets isnt my concern
2008-01-08 13:09 < Shiroi_Neko> I pwn it
2008-01-08 13:11 < Shiroi_Neko> How can you use a banana as a compass? Place a banana on the Berlin Wall. East is where a bite has been taken out of it.
2008-01-08 13:12 < LuciferTiger> lol
2008-01-08 13:12 < Shiroi_Neko> # Which three great nations in the world begin with "U"? - USA, USSR, and our (German:unsere) GDR (USA, UdSSR, Unsere DDR).
2008-01-08 13:13 < nazgjunk> hah
2008-01-08 13:16 < Shiroi_Neko> How do you double the value of a Trabant? Fill up the tank!
2008-01-08 13:17 * Weaselosaurus avoids a client war
2008-01-08 13:18 < Ceiling_Cat> ok, I need advice here
2008-01-08 13:18 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Wikipedia:Contact us/Photo submission]]
2008-01-08 13:18 < Weaselosaurus> "A peculiarity of the Italian Parliament is the representation given to Italian citizens permanently living abroad (about 2.7 million people). Among the 630 Deputies and the 315 Senators there are respectively 12 and 6 elected in four distinct foreign constituencies."
2008-01-08 13:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Why is it that of the 10 people who have responded so far, only 1 has followed the instructions there, which I thought were very simple and clear?
2008-01-08 13:19 < Weaselosaurus> Doesn't that mean those people have to relocate back after all?
2008-01-08 13:19 < OverlordQ> what'd the other 9 do?
2008-01-08 13:19 < Weaselosaurus> I'll read it
2008-01-08 13:19 * LOUD_CAT NEEDS ANSWERS
2008-01-08 13:19 < Weaselosaurus> it's good that we recommend a license
2008-01-08 13:20 < Weaselosaurus> if they disregard things rather than shying away, people are obviously not scared
2008-01-08 13:20 < Weaselosaurus> meh, imagination is not my strong point
2008-01-08 13:20 < OverlordQ> Ceiling_Cat: that bolded heading might confuse idio^H^H^H^Hnormal users
2008-01-08 13:21 < Ceiling_Cat> OverlordQ - it's not just idiots - 9 out of 10 presumably average adults who submitted to that queue didn't follow the instructions
2008-01-08 13:21 < Ceiling_Cat> therefore, I conclude that the instructions are faulty somehow
2008-01-08 13:22 < Ceiling_Cat> I just can't see what I'm doing wrong
2008-01-08 13:22 < OverlordQ> what part they miss? they dont own the copyright?
2008-01-08 13:22 < Ceiling_Cat> No, they don't say what license
2008-01-08 13:22 < Weaselosaurus> Oh, they don't understand the licenses
2008-01-08 13:22 < OverlordQ> oh
2008-01-08 13:22 < Weaselosaurus> the problem is that we can't make a legal assumption in favor of the recommendation I guess
2008-01-08 13:23 < Weaselosaurus> maybe we could add a line stipulating we do (if we can by American law)
2008-01-08 13:23 < Ceiling_Cat> TheWeasel - the solution is not to make the page more complicated, if that's what you are about to suggest
2008-01-08 13:23 < Weaselosaurus> it's pretty shifty though
2008-01-08 13:24 < Ceiling_Cat> and for the record, that page has been vetted by Mike Godwin, an actual bar-certified attorney, to make sure the legalese was acceptable
2008-01-08 13:25 < Weaselosaurus> no, I'm just saying we add "if you don't make a choice, we assume you mean CC-SA asf."
2008-01-08 13:25 < Weaselosaurus> but there are probably legal boundaries near that territory
2008-01-08 13:25 < Ceiling_Cat> assumption is the mother of screw up
2008-01-08 13:26 < LOUD_CAT> --Angelo Donghia
2008-01-08 13:26 < Weaselosaurus> At least it's not one of those "we send shit to you without asking first and will ask for pay if we don't get it back yesterday" things
2008-01-08 13:26 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: because people are stupid. surely you've figured that out by now.
2008-01-08 13:26 < Weaselosaurus> but admittedly, dangerously close
2008-01-08 13:27 < Cyrius> people do not follow instructions
2008-01-08 13:27 < OverlordQ> maybe something like [[User:OverlordQ/Sandbox]], put the 'must chose' more by itself so it stands out more, and then put the explanation below it
2008-01-08 13:27 < NotACow> Cyrius: why should they?
2008-01-08 13:27 < Cyrius> NotACow: my past experience suggests that it generally produces better results
2008-01-08 13:28 < NotACow> Cyrius: what results are they looking for?
2008-01-08 13:28 < NotACow> what is the motivation for these people?
2008-01-08 13:28 * Weaselosaurus is on a guarani high
2008-01-08 13:28 < Cyrius> NotACow: um, getting their image in Wikipedia and not having it deleted?
2008-01-08 13:28 < NotACow> Cyrius: what do they gain from their image being on wikiepdia?
2008-01-08 13:29 < Cyrius> NotACow: if they don't gain anything, why would they be looking at how to do it in the first place?
2008-01-08 13:29 < NotACow> Cyrius: good question. come back when you know the answer.
2008-01-08 13:29 < Cyrius> ...what?
2008-01-08 13:29 < Rinn> If they have their image in Wikipedia they can use it to vandalize other pages.
2008-01-08 13:29 < Cyrius> the question isn't "why aren't they using it", it's "why are they using it incorrectly"
2008-01-08 13:29 < Rinn> Like if [[Beauty]] is a page, they could stick it there.
2008-01-08 13:30 < Weaselosaurus> laissez tomber
2008-01-08 13:30 < NotACow> Cyrius: no, actually, the question is "why are they using it at all"
2008-01-08 13:30 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - I am a bit more optimistic about people than you
2008-01-08 13:30 < NotACow> Cyrius: then you can get into understanding why they are using it without bothering to read the directions.
2008-01-08 13:31 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: and a lot more naive, it seems :)
2008-01-08 13:31 < Cyrius> the only reason I can think of for them to be using it is because they don't know what they're doing and want to be hand-held
2008-01-08 13:31 < Weaselosaurus> is there a way to get to a link to that mail without the instructions?
2008-01-08 13:31 < Weaselosaurus> *address
2008-01-08 13:32 < NotACow> Cyrius: and that begs te question as to why they're using it at all
2008-01-08 13:32 < Weaselosaurus> I also tend to think that it's a license problem that they don't understand and leave up to us
2008-01-08 13:32 < Rinn> [[Image:GiseleBundchen.jpg]] "Brazilian Gisele Bündchen, the richest model of world according The Guinness Book of World Records, is an example of the western world's idea of beauty"
2008-01-08 13:32 < Cyrius> ...
2008-01-08 13:32 < Cyrius> NotACow: why don't you just make your point?
2008-01-08 13:32 < NotACow> Cyrius: of course, it comes down to the fundamental question, "why do people contribute to wikipedia". and nobody really knows the answer to that one.
2008-01-08 13:33 < Cyrius> you're just trying to work your way back to oversimplifying it to "people are stupid", aren't you
2008-01-08 13:34 < OverlordQ> Rinn: I would have to disagree
2008-01-08 13:37 < Weaselosaurus> people contribute to Wikipedia because it's useful and they're proud about how much they know
2008-01-08 13:37 < Weaselosaurus> it's partly the thrill of the sheer daringness of the project, and partly personal vanity
2008-01-08 13:38 < Weaselosaurus> and later it's because it's something that grew up with you
2008-01-08 13:38 < Weaselosaurus> and you invested work and don't want it to be wasted
2008-01-08 13:38 < Rinn> I contribute to Wiki because grammar errors bug me.
2008-01-08 13:39 < Weaselosaurus> That too.
2008-01-08 13:39 < Weaselosaurus> :-D
2008-01-08 13:39 < Weaselosaurus> like my complaint further up about the horrible tendency to write "is among one of the greatest writers..." etc.
2008-01-08 13:41 < Weaselosaurus> brb
2008-01-08 13:51 < LuciferTiger> whats wrong with the gisele bundchen thing Rinn?
2008-01-08 13:53 < JordanC> Hey there
2008-01-08 13:53 < JordanC> Is there anyone here who is familiar with TCP terminology?
2008-01-08 13:58 < IceKarma> JordanC, yes?
2008-01-08 13:58 < JordanC> Just wondering in what the exact definition of "record boundary marker" is with regards to TCP data transfer
2008-01-08 13:58 < JordanC> Does it mean the type of record I think it means?
2008-01-08 13:58 < JordanC> If so then I know what it means
2008-01-08 14:00 < IceKarma> well, perhaps we should start with what type of record you think it means, and go from there
2008-01-08 14:01 < IceKarma> are we discussing TCP push, or something else?
2008-01-08 14:01 < IceKarma> maybe iSCSI?
2008-01-08 14:03 < Scott5114> MUNCHLAX: [[Fuck a duck]] has been RFDed
2008-01-08 14:05 < LuciferTiger> lol avisodomy
2008-01-08 14:06 < bjweeks> you learn something new everyday...
2008-01-08 14:07 < LuciferTiger> yup thats the only reason i hang out here
2008-01-08 14:08 < Ceiling_Cat> I just caught 4 socks up to some election-day shenanigans
2008-01-08 14:09 < Ceiling_Cat> they were POV pushing on the Barak Obama article
2008-01-08 14:09 < Cyrius> pov-pushing on a political article, noooo
2008-01-08 14:09 < bjweeks> Ceiling cat is watching you using socks?
2008-01-08 14:09 < LuciferTiger> POV pushing = ?
2008-01-08 14:09 < Ceiling_Cat> bjweeks - damn right
2008-01-08 14:09 < Cyrius> pro- or anti-?
2008-01-08 14:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Ceiling_Cat can see your shame
2008-01-08 14:09 < Cyrius> LuciferTiger: POV = point of view, they were being used to push a single point of view
2008-01-08 14:10 < LuciferTiger> as in how
2008-01-08 14:10 < Cyrius> different ways of doing it
2008-01-08 14:10 < LuciferTiger> ok
2008-01-08 14:10 < Cyrius> but the point is that Wikipedia tries to be neutral, and they're working against that
2008-01-08 14:10 < Freya> Ceiling_Cat is everywhere...
2008-01-08 14:10 < Cyrius> Freya: not everywhere, just places with things that can be considered ceilings
2008-01-08 14:11 < LuciferTiger> Shouldnt it br Freyja?
2008-01-08 14:11 < LuciferTiger> Cyrius: got the point.
2008-01-08 14:22 < Ceiling_Cat> cyrius - and where Ceiling_Cat isn't there to watch you, there's Sky_cat
2008-01-08 14:22 < Ceiling_Cat> and Roof_Cat and Tree_Cat
2008-01-08 14:22 < bjweeks> Ceiling_Cat: Sky cat? isn't that God?
2008-01-08 14:23 < Ceiling_Cat> bjweeks - no no, Sky_Cat watches Tree_Cat. And Space_Cat watches Sky_Cat
2008-01-08 14:23 < Ceiling_Cat> God_Cat is way, way up the line
2008-01-08 14:23 < bjweeks> Ceiling_Cat: I thought the ruskies only blasted monkeys into space
2008-01-08 14:27 < quanticle2> For reference, here is the cat hierarchy God Cat > Galaxy Cat > Sun Cat > Sky Cat > Roof Cat/Tree Cat > Ceiling Cat > brown_cat > you
2008-01-08 14:29 < JordanC> IceKarma: When you said the last statement, I gave up asking :P
2008-01-08 14:31 < Ceiling_Cat> in demark, they speak german, right?
2008-01-08 14:32 < Formentar> Hiya.
2008-01-08 14:32 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: In Denmark, they speak Danish
2008-01-08 14:32 < Ceiling_Cat> ah
2008-01-08 14:34 * Ceiling_Cat needs a danish-speaking OTRS user
2008-01-08 14:36 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Perhaps you should ask later, when the Europeans are on
2008-01-08 14:37 < Formentar> A colleague of mine has made a fairly sizable (and blatnt) vanity page. I don't want to flag it for deletion while logged in as myself, but maybe someone else would care to take a look at it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Goryanin
2008-01-08 14:37 < Formentar> s/blzzsrsx/blatant
2008-01-08 14:38 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: What do you think about that page. I think it meets notability criteria
2008-01-08 14:38 < quanticle> s/./?/g
2008-01-08 14:39 < Formentar> quanticle: The g modifier is a bit redundant there. :-D
2008-01-08 14:39 < quanticle> Heh. True
2008-01-08 14:39 < quanticle> I put it in out of habit
2008-01-08 14:39 < Formentar> Then again, what I wrote wouldn't even work without the terminating /...
2008-01-08 14:40 < NoulNou> sal
2008-01-08 14:40 < NoulNou> hi all
2008-01-08 14:40 < uberpenguin> s/./?/ would replace everything with question marks
2008-01-08 14:40 < NoulNou> whats the minimal and average salary in North Korea?
2008-01-08 14:41 < uberpenguin> or just not work, depending on what flavour of sed you're using
2008-01-08 14:41 * Formentar is a bit amazed by this Igor Goryanin fellow. He apparently got his secretary (User:Janis_C_Herriot) to create an account to make a couple of edits to his page. :-o
2008-01-08 14:41 < quanticle> Formentar: Anyway, to answer your question, the only real policy I can think of regarding vanity pages is notability. However, I think this person passes the notability criteria, but I don't think that there are any other rules being violated here
2008-01-08 14:41 < Ceiling_Cat> NoulNou - you asked that yesterday
2008-01-08 14:42 < Ceiling_Cat> we answerd you yesterday
2008-01-08 14:42 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Did you get my question?
2008-01-08 14:42 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - we have a notability page for academics
2008-01-08 14:42 < NoulNou> Ceiling_Cat yes
2008-01-08 14:42 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)
2008-01-08 14:42 < NoulNou> but i have asked agiand jsut in case
2008-01-08 14:42 < NoulNou> some one is new here
2008-01-08 14:42 < NoulNou> and knows better
2008-01-08 14:42 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Really?
2008-01-08 14:42 < NoulNou> ;/
2008-01-08 14:42 * quanticle looks
2008-01-08 14:43 < Formentar> quanticle: Notability might well be met, yes. But the only link to the page is from his employer, and the only edits are hos own, so I'm suspecting that he thinks he's more notable that others do. But in any case I'll leave it untouched.
2008-01-08 14:44 < NoulNou> what you think about myanmar?
2008-01-08 14:44 < quanticle> "Igor is co-founder of the International E. coli alliance (IECA)." <-- That might meet the "significant expert" criteria
2008-01-08 14:45 < IceKarma> is the IECA in any way significant?
2008-01-08 14:45 < quanticle> IceKarma: I don't know. Its not my field.
2008-01-08 14:46 < JordanC> IceKarma: The exact push point might not be visible to the receiving user and
2008-01-08 14:46 < JordanC> the push function does not supply a record boundary marker.
2008-01-08 14:47 < JordanC> That sentence in the RF 793 is what i'm referring to
2008-01-08 14:47 < JordanC> RFC*
2008-01-08 14:47 < Formentar> quanticle: Could well be. Though the IECA (http://www.uni-giessen.de/~gx1052/IECA/ieca.html) doesn't seem all that big and powerful. :-)
2008-01-08 14:47 < LuciferTiger> hahahaha
2008-01-08 14:48 < quanticle> Do we have anyone who's involved in biosciences to look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Goryanin? I don't know if this person's organization meets notability criteria.
2008-01-08 14:48 < LuciferTiger> 'internation e coli alliance' that itself sounds laughable
2008-01-08 14:49 < IceKarma> JordanC, in other words, you can't guarantee that just because you did a push, the receiving end will see any sort of boundary in the TCP stream, like a short read
2008-01-08 14:49 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Right, but that doesn't mean its not notable.
2008-01-08 14:49 < LuciferTiger> did u see its website?
2008-01-08 14:49 < LuciferTiger> no peer respected site would have anything of that sort.
2008-01-08 14:49 < LuciferTiger> not conclusive evidence but still gives u an idea
2008-01-08 14:50 < Weaselosaurus> Heh... when Bahrain tried a little democracy, the new majority made the position of women in society instantly worse.
2008-01-08 14:50 * Weaselosaurus reads on
2008-01-08 14:51 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: I disagree. I've several academic websites that looked pretty amateurish at first glance. It just means that the people coding the site aren't experts at web-design.
2008-01-08 14:51 < quanticle> I've seen, rather
2008-01-08 14:51 < LuciferTiger> look at the sites it links to... THOSE are notable
2008-01-08 14:51 < JordanC> IceKarma: I understand that bit , but what is the exact definition of the record boundary market
2008-01-08 14:51 < JordanC> marker*
2008-01-08 14:51 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: What're you reading
2008-01-08 14:51 < Weaselosaurus> the article on Bahrain
2008-01-08 14:51 < LuciferTiger> yeah i used to do web design for a cpl of acad sites... and some of the sites we linked to were petty highschoolish
2008-01-08 14:53 < IceKarma> JordanC, um, it's an abstraction
2008-01-08 14:53 * Weaselosaurus has seen many great articles on terrible websites
2008-01-08 14:54 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: "Bahrain has been inhabited since ancient times and has even been proposed as the site of the Biblical Garden of Eden." <-- I thought most academics would place the Garden of Eden in the Fertile Crescent of Iraq/Syria?
2008-01-08 14:54 < Ceiling_Cat> Chris Rock: [George W. Bush] has "made it hard for a white man to run for president. People are saying, 'After Bush, I'm not sure we can take another chance on a white guy."
2008-01-08 14:54 < LuciferTiger> lol
2008-01-08 14:54 < Weaselosaurus> "proposed" means anything from "respected minority to "crank opinion"
2008-01-08 14:55 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: I'm still going to tag it with {{fact}}. I just don't think its supported by anything else the article says or links to.
2008-01-08 14:55 < IceKarma> JordanC, a TCP connection is, more or less, a featureless stream of octets. TCP doesn't provide any sort of marker to indicate that this chunk of bytes here was sent in any sort of structured clump, even if you try to abuse mechanisms provided for other purposes to fake one.
2008-01-08 14:55 < Weaselosaurus> yea
2008-01-08 14:55 < Weaselosaurus> it's too specific to go without a citation
2008-01-08 14:56 < IceKarma> JordanC, if your particular use of TCP needs those sort of boundaries -- for example, because of variable length messages -- then you get to provide them yourself, at some level above TCP
2008-01-08 14:57 < IceKarma> JordanC, consequently, you get to define what a "record" is in your usage, and you get to define the boundaries that delimit such
2008-01-08 15:07 < Weaselosaurus> whats the tag for "go into detail here"?
2008-01-08 15:09 * bumm13 NP: Cannibal and the Headhunters - Land of 1000 Dances (1965)
2008-01-08 15:10 < Filanca> hia
2008-01-08 15:10 < bumm13> hi
2008-01-08 15:10 < Filanca> long live vandals
2008-01-08 15:10 < quanticle> Filanca: ?
2008-01-08 15:10 < bumm13> they seem quite able to stay alive
2008-01-08 15:10 < quanticle> Filanca: Vandals don't need our help to stay alive
2008-01-08 15:11 < Evil_Monkey> woah - new header on [[Talk:Main Page]]
2008-01-08 15:11 < Evil_Monkey> I feel scared now to post anything there
2008-01-08 15:11 < Filanca> oh but they r constantly abused
2008-01-08 15:11 < bumm13> zomg no!
2008-01-08 15:11 < bjweeks> that is a good name for a bot, VandalAbuser
2008-01-08 15:12 < bumm13> hmm, interesting news headline: "Boy Scout saves Maldives president"
2008-01-08 15:12 * Fabexplosive gnight
2008-01-08 15:12 < Messedrocker> noooo!
2008-01-08 15:12 < quanticle> Fabexplosive: Good night
2008-01-08 15:12 < Fabexplosive> :)
2008-01-08 15:12 < bumm13> "COLOMBO, Sri Lanka - A quick-thinking Boy Scout foiled an assassination attempt on the president of the Maldives on Tuesday, grabbing an attacker's knife as the man leapt from a crowd and lunged at the leader, an official said."
2008-01-08 15:13 < Evil_Monkey> "Why was Christmas omitted on the 25th December but included on the 7th January for "On this day...""
2008-01-08 15:13 < Evil_Monkey> "I think that someone is playing silly games or is very anti-christian"
2008-01-08 15:13 < Evil_Monkey> ahhh yes the *only* options
2008-01-08 15:14 < shimgray> me, I'm both!
2008-01-08 15:15 < quanticle> Its always amusing to read main page comments: i have been spied on for a mounth. i know because my fiels had been hacked.i have a virus in my fastest computer.tell me how to get rid of them at User talk:Ri0k2008 —Preceding comment was added at 20:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
2008-01-08 15:15 < bumm13> :P
2008-01-08 15:15 < Evil_Monkey> I would suggest format c:
2008-01-08 15:15 < uberpenguin> practically everything I read on wikipedia is a sourse of be/am-usement these days
2008-01-08 15:17 < Weaselosaurus> "Examples of international intrigue in Cuba, dating to the Gerardo Machado regime, when Stalinist Pole Fabio Grobart first entered the Island, are given by Roger Fontaine [92]"
2008-01-08 15:17 < Weaselosaurus> is the only sentence of a paragraph in [[Cuba]]
2008-01-08 15:18 < Weaselosaurus> What does it mean?
2008-01-08 15:18 < Weaselosaurus> it's an intriguing sentence
2008-01-08 15:19 < shimgray> Weaselosaurus: "Fontaine gives examples of weird shit, which date back to the Machado period"
2008-01-08 15:19 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: Roger Fontaine gives examples of international intrigue in Cuba dating back to the Gerardo Machado regime...
2008-01-08 15:20 < Evil_Monkey> it appears that format c: doesn't work in windows. He should try del /F /S /Q *
2008-01-08 15:20 < Evil_Monkey> you can't format the harddrive while it is mounted :-)
2008-01-08 15:20 < Weaselosaurus> Why do we read in Wikipedia that some cloudy things that are not explained, are in fact explained in a book?
2008-01-08 15:21 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: You mean rmdir, rather than del
2008-01-08 15:21 < uberpenguin> deltree
2008-01-08 15:21 < Mahlzahn> Weaselosaurus: its an "inline examples of further reading"
2008-01-08 15:21 < Weaselosaurus> We don't even get any introduction to any of the characters
2008-01-08 15:21 < Weaselosaurus> *headache
2008-01-08 15:21 < Evil_Monkey> quanticle: that was the command given in a blog post of someone who actually attempted format c:
2008-01-08 15:22 < quanticle> uberpenguin: Deltree was replaced with rmdir for Windows NT
2008-01-08 15:22 < uberpenguin> I think it's still aliased on XP
2008-01-08 15:22 < OverlordQ> wow d-war really was that bad
2008-01-08 15:22 < uberpenguin> or maybe not
2008-01-08 15:22 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: del leaves directories. It only deletes the contents. rmdir removes directories as well as contents
2008-01-08 15:22 < uberpenguin> oh well
2008-01-08 15:22 * OverlordQ stabs that portion of his brain
2008-01-08 15:23 < shimgray> Weaselosaurus: that's what wikilinks are for!
2008-01-08 15:23 < Weaselosaurus> I want to know what it's doing there
2008-01-08 15:23 < Weaselosaurus> the headline is
2008-01-08 15:24 < Weaselosaurus> International Intrigue in Cuba
2008-01-08 15:24 < Mahlzahn> oh!
2008-01-08 15:24 < shimgray> it's a pointer for further reading on that topic
2008-01-08 15:24 < Mahlzahn> well, in that case its spam
2008-01-08 15:24 < Weaselosaurus> "intrigue" isn't a technical term last time I checked
2008-01-08 15:24 < OverlordQ> always fun to echo j | format c: and see how many people start responding
2008-01-08 15:24 < OverlordQ> "OMG NORTON SEZYZ THEIZ VIRUZ IN MY IRC"
2008-01-08 15:24 < Zach> i know how to do a history merge, but anybody ever do history splits?
2008-01-08 15:25 < quanticle> OverlordQ: What does echo j | format c: do?
2008-01-08 15:25 < Weaselosaurus> If that's true, it's the worst bit of book promotion I've ever come across.
2008-01-08 15:25 < quanticle> OverlordQ: I don't think format takes in input from stdin
2008-01-08 15:25 < Mahlzahn> quanticle: push the 'y' for yes into the keyboard buffer
2008-01-08 15:25 < Mahlzahn> effectively
2008-01-08 15:26 < OverlordQ> and norton thinks it's a trojan so starts spamming warnings :)
2008-01-08 15:26 < OverlordQ> used to at least
2008-01-08 15:26 < quanticle> Mahlzahn: Isn't that echo y | format c:?
2008-01-08 15:26 < Mahlzahn> 'j' for people with strange languages installed on their machines.
2008-01-08 15:27 < Mahlzahn> as in ... 'ja'
2008-01-08 15:27 < Mahlzahn> which is not only the iso code for japan.
2008-01-08 15:27 < Ceiling_Cat> Zach - it can be done, but it's very hard
2008-01-08 15:27 < Weaselosaurus> oh, rampant prison violins
2008-01-08 15:28 < Weaselosaurus> the sectarian kind of fiddles
2008-01-08 15:30 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: "the sectarian kind of fiddles?"
2008-01-08 15:30 < Weaselosaurus> Yea, the sectarian violins that used to be on TV so much
2008-01-08 15:31 < JordanC> When referencing the bible in Wiki
2008-01-08 15:31 < NotACow> Weaselosaurus: i prefer sectarian cellos.
2008-01-08 15:31 < JordanC> Do you do God, et al (- 2008). ?
2008-01-08 15:32 < Weaselosaurus> You mean capitalization?
2008-01-08 15:32 < quanticle> JordanC: Do you mean to suggest that God died in 2008?
2008-01-08 15:33 < JordanC> Yeah :(
2008-01-08 15:33 < JordanC> Well, at Year 0
2008-01-08 15:34 < JordanC> Also, the date doesn't suggest the author's birthday
2008-01-08 15:34 < Weaselosaurus> [citation needed]
2008-01-08 15:34 < JordanC> It's the date of publication :/
2008-01-08 15:34 < Weaselosaurus> the gospels are a bit newer than Jesus's death, obviously
2008-01-08 15:34 < Weaselosaurus> which occurred in 33.
2008-01-08 15:34 < JordanC> Allegedly
2008-01-08 15:35 < JordanC> :)
2008-01-08 15:35 < Weaselosaurus> I have no idea from when the earliest complete Bible, having all the books that the KJV or the Catholic one has and no others, appeared
2008-01-08 15:35 < Weaselosaurus> -from
2008-01-08 15:36 < JordanC> It's disseminated and converged more times than i've had hot meals
2008-01-08 15:36 < shimgray> That's a pretty interesting question.
2008-01-08 15:36 < JordanC> Homo habilis also loves christians :)
2008-01-08 15:37 < Weaselosaurus> plus, even then, different editions of those books also have wildly differing verses
2008-01-08 15:37 < shimgray> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Christian_Biblical_canon
2008-01-08 15:37 < shimgray> fourth century, by the looks of it
2008-01-08 15:37 < JordanC> Seeing as homo Habilis is a -31996000 year old anomaly :(
2008-01-08 15:38 < JordanC> 4000/3.2m
2008-01-08 15:38 < JordanC> But anyway - it is kind of interesting to see how it has been developed; parts have been added, removed and soforth
2008-01-08 15:38 < Weaselosaurus> with all kinds of books most Protestants would call apocrypha
2008-01-08 15:39 < Weaselosaurus> some written in a weird, postmodernish style
2008-01-08 15:39 < JordanC> Most people would punch you in the US from what i've heard - specifically if you said anything other than the bible is unedited
2008-01-08 15:39 < Ceiling_Cat> Male macaque monkeys pay for sex by grooming females, according to a recent study that suggests the primates may treat sex as a commodity. "In primate societies, grooming is the underlying fabric of it all," Dr. Michael Gumert, a primatologist at the Nanyang Technological University in Singapore, said in a telephone interview Saturday. "It's a sign of friendship and family, and it's also something that can be exchanged for sexual services," Gume
2008-01-08 15:40 < Ceiling_Cat> -- http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-mokey-sex-ap-story,1,1508983.story?ctrack=2&cset=true
2008-01-08 15:40 < JordanC> My friend who went over there to study actually got threatened when he started to discuss the dissemination of biblical texts
2008-01-08 15:40 < Evil_Monkey> "Sexual intercourse plays a major role in Bonobo society, being used as a greeting, a means of conflict resolution and post-conflict reconciliation, and as favors traded by the females in exchange for food."
2008-01-08 15:40 * Ceiling_Cat grooms Evil_Monkey
2008-01-08 15:41 < LuciferTiger> i dont mind giving someone a brazilian wax if she lets me have sex
2008-01-08 15:41 < shimgray> Ceiling_Cat: or, as one other researcher pointed out, "if you start looking for economic behaviour, *everything* seems like economic behaviour"
2008-01-08 15:41 < JordanC> Bonobos are interesting creatures
2008-01-08 15:41 < JordanC> They use sexual intercourse as a means of enjoyment :D
2008-01-08 15:41 < shimgray> you could equally title that research "Monkeys Discover Foreplay"
2008-01-08 15:41 < JordanC> Lucky monkeys
2008-01-08 15:42 < shimgray> (there's much better research for economic behaviour involving sex in monkeys - this particular one isn't it)
2008-01-08 15:42 < Ceiling_Cat> LuciferTiger - Nobody minds giving a brazillian wax. It's the recieving that hurts
2008-01-08 15:42 < LuciferTiger> lol true
2008-01-08 15:42 < JordanC> Economic behavior :P
2008-01-08 15:42 < LuciferTiger> ok i dont mind removing facial hair
2008-01-08 15:43 < JordanC> Behavior facilitating an economic system of basic trade, or economic behavior?
2008-01-08 15:43 < Evil_Monkey> I dislike psychology articles - [[Mirror stage]]
2008-01-08 15:43 < Evil_Monkey> "The mirror stage describes the formation of the Ego via the process of identification, the Ego being the result of identifying with one's own specular image."
2008-01-08 15:43 < Weaselosaurus> yay... another case of "citation needed" meaning "I disagree, because you're smearing my pet subject, which cannot be criticized because it is perfect"
2008-01-08 15:43 < Ceiling_Cat> and it could be worse - like a hollywood wax
2008-01-08 15:43 < JordanC> <Evil_Monkey> I dislike psychology articles <-- Same ;)
2008-01-08 15:43 < Evil_Monkey> "He sees his image as a whole, and the synthesis of this image produces a sense of contrast with the uncoordination of the body, which is perceived as a fragmented body."
2008-01-08 15:43 < quanticle> I dislike psychology. Does that count?
2008-01-08 15:44 < Weaselosaurus> Psychology and philosophy articles on Wikipedia are horrible generally
2008-01-08 15:44 < Weaselosaurus> quanticle: Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of Scientology?
2008-01-08 15:45 < Evil_Monkey> or the Screen Actor's Guild?
2008-01-08 15:45 < Ceiling_Cat> Or the communist party?
2008-01-08 15:45 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: Oh god no! Scientologists are even more scary than psychologists
2008-01-08 15:45 < Weaselosaurus> If you refuse to answer, you're a Fifth Amendment Scientologist
2008-01-08 15:45 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: I read Marx in high school
2008-01-08 15:45 < Weaselosaurus> hah cool
2008-01-08 15:46 * Ceiling_Cat blackballs quanticle
2008-01-08 15:46 * Weaselosaurus always hopes that psychology could do more, but it can't
2008-01-08 15:46 * LuciferTiger teabags Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-08 15:46 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: Well, I would be in SAG, if I could act. The same way, I'd be in the writers' guild, but I can't write that well either
2008-01-08 15:46 < LuciferTiger> oh i thought we were playing a game
2008-01-08 15:46 < JordanC> Weaselosaurus: Yeah, so are some of the Neurology ones :(
2008-01-08 15:46 < JordanC> I wish I had time to update them, it's my field
2008-01-08 15:47 < NotACow> hee hee
2008-01-08 15:47 < NotACow> it seems that my actions have forced an article to be semiprotected.
2008-01-08 15:47 < NotACow> wikipedia, you totally suck
2008-01-08 15:47 < Weaselosaurus> Nobody in the Anglosphere is interested in my field (French-style law)
2008-01-08 15:47 < JordanC> That's a bit unfair
2008-01-08 15:47 < JordanC> Wikipedia isn't the borg :P
2008-01-08 15:47 < Weaselosaurus> so our articles on it are next to non-existant
2008-01-08 15:47 < NotACow> Weaselosaurus: not even the louisianans?
2008-01-08 15:48 < Weaselosaurus> Just the civil law part
2008-01-08 15:48 < JordanC> Weaselosaurus: That's no way to speak about [[Jesus]] :P
2008-01-08 15:48 < Weaselosaurus> and even they have had much encroachment
2008-01-08 15:48 < JordanC> Economics articles are unfortunately bad
2008-01-08 15:48 < JordanC> Dietetics articles don't exist
2008-01-08 15:49 < Weaselosaurus> but *Dianetics* !
2008-01-08 15:49 < Weaselosaurus> I take that back
2008-01-08 15:49 < NotACow> JordanC: wikipedia's coverage of topics not related to popular culture is superficial, spotty, and juvenile.
2008-01-08 15:49 < Weaselosaurus> Not even close to accurate
2008-01-08 15:49 < JordanC> NotACow: Great, now sit down
2008-01-08 15:49 < JordanC> :P
2008-01-08 15:50 < quanticle> NotACow: I once read on Wikipedia that the Aztec empire was taken down by Castro and the Army of the Two Towers
2008-01-08 15:50 < NotACow> quanticle: i completely believe you
2008-01-08 15:51 < Weaselosaurus> don't confuse vandalism with Wikipedian incompetence
2008-01-08 15:51 < Weaselosaurus> sometimes those things are even planted by small-town journalists
2008-01-08 15:51 < Weaselosaurus> when they write one of those articles about how fast those things disappear
2008-01-08 15:52 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: Or how long they persist
2008-01-08 15:52 < Weaselosaurus> yep
2008-01-08 15:52 < Weaselosaurus> I find that much worse than regular vandalism
2008-01-08 15:53 < LuciferTiger> "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.".
2008-01-08 15:54 < LuciferTiger> Hanlons Razor. That specifically applied to my project team.
2008-01-08 15:54 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: How so?
2008-01-08 15:54 < Weaselosaurus> I tell that to my family all the time
2008-01-08 15:54 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: After you do something malicious?
2008-01-08 15:55 < Weaselosaurus> no, someone else does and the person that gets hurt assumes bad faith
2008-01-08 15:55 < Weaselosaurus> in law we call Hanlon's Razor the presumption of innocence.
2008-01-08 15:55 < Weaselosaurus> :-D
2008-01-08 15:55 < quanticle> Weaselosaurus: If the act was malicious, then wouldn't it be fair to assume bad faith?
2008-01-08 15:56 < Weaselosaurus> but it usually isn't
2008-01-08 15:56 < Weaselosaurus> I didn't see you used "malicious" there
2008-01-08 15:56 < Weaselosaurus> I mean something that to someone who WANTS to be a victim, looks malicious
2008-01-08 15:57 < Weaselosaurus> and I know many people who enjoy being victims
2008-01-08 15:57 < JordanC> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:OcmsRzr.gif
2008-01-08 15:57 < JordanC> :D
2008-01-08 15:57 < OverlordQ> i love the Mr T disclaimer
2008-01-08 15:57 < Weaselosaurus> victimhood is a very powerful position, every politician knows that
2008-01-08 16:00 < LuciferTiger> quanticle: they were a bunch if idots
2008-01-08 16:03 < LuciferTiger> Either (1) Occam’s Razor is a razor used by some famous guy named Occam, or (2) Occam’s Razor is the scientific principle that the simpler of two explanations is correct.
2008-01-08 16:03 < LuciferTiger> It follows that if (1) is true, then (1) is true. If (2) is true, then (1) is still true. Therefore Occam's Razor is a razor.
2008-01-08 16:04 * quanticle should tell Gillette about starting a brand called "Occam: The simplest razor yet"
2008-01-08 16:04 < Messedrocker> lol Occam's RAZR
2008-01-08 16:04 < Messedrocker> it'd be a knife
2008-01-08 16:04 < Messedrocker> that's it
2008-01-08 16:05 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Occam's RAZR would be two tin cans on a string
2008-01-08 16:05 < LuciferTiger> or just a single blade
2008-01-08 16:05 < LuciferTiger> ahhh i get what you me
2008-01-08 16:05 < LuciferTiger> *mean
2008-01-08 16:05 * LuciferTiger is slow in the attic today
2008-01-08 16:05 < Weaselosaurus> Martha Stewart "Clinton does something girly, for once". Fox News, January 7, 2007
2008-01-08 16:06 < bumm13> Occánica!
2008-01-08 16:06 < Messedrocker> LuciferTiger, it'd be simpler than the common form factor for razors
2008-01-08 16:06 < Messedrocker> it'd be a blade
2008-01-08 16:06 < Messedrocker> no fancy casing
2008-01-08 16:06 < bumm13> hiya Messedrocker
2008-01-08 16:07 * quanticle can't imagine shaving with a straight razor
2008-01-08 16:07 < bumm13> hiya quanticle
2008-01-08 16:08 < quanticle> hiya bumm13
2008-01-08 16:10 < bumm13> hi Cometstyles
2008-01-08 16:10 < Cometstyles> hey Bummer :DDD
2008-01-08 16:10 < Cometstyles> hmm charlie and the chocolate factory :)
2008-01-08 16:11 * bumm13 NP: Cure - A Forest (1980)
2008-01-08 16:11 < quanticle> bumm13: Do you have a tool to do the NP thing, or do you do it yourself?
2008-01-08 16:11 < bumm13> I do it manually :)
2008-01-08 16:12 < EdBoy> HAY GUIZ BACK FROM SKEWL
2008-01-08 16:12 < quanticle> EdBoy: Go back and stay there until you've learned to write
2008-01-08 16:12 < quanticle> :)
2008-01-08 16:12 * bumm13 was a newborn in '80 ;)
2008-01-08 16:12 < EdBoy> I can write very well, thank you. I'm quite proficient, in fact.
2008-01-08 16:12 < bumm13> well, and young infant ;)
2008-01-08 16:13 < EdBoy> Now don't make me verb your noun so adjective you'll be gerunding all over the place
2008-01-08 16:16 < quanticle> EdBoy: Oh yeah?! Well you couldn't <verb> your way out of a wet paper bag, so you're no threat to me!
2008-01-08 16:16 < Rinn> What did Brown Cat do?
2008-01-08 16:17 < bumm13> Rinn: he failed to restrain his desire to be immature and not piss people off :P
2008-01-08 16:17 < quanticle> Rinn: Hmm? What happened to brown_cat?
2008-01-08 16:17 < bumm13> so he's getting some vacation time
2008-01-08 16:18 < Rinn> * bumm13 sets mode: +b brown*cat*!*@*, Quant.
2008-01-08 16:19 < LuciferTiger> how did he piss ppl off?
2008-01-08 16:20 < quanticle> Rinn: Ouch. Slammed with the banhammer
2008-01-08 16:21 < shimgray> ...you have *heard* him, right?
2008-01-08 16:22 < quanticle> shimgray: 'fraid not. What did he do?
2008-01-08 16:23 < shimgray> I dunno what he did specifically, but he never seems to *not* piss people off
2008-01-08 16:24 < quanticle> shimgray: Well he hasn't bothered me yet
2008-01-08 16:24 < bumm13> anyway, brown_cat has never shown much proper behavior since he arrived here (as symode09)
2008-01-08 16:25 < LuciferTiger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexy_prime ... did u know that this is the funniest page on wikipedia?
2008-01-08 16:25 < bumm13> recently, I saw the following text:
2008-01-08 16:25 < bumm13> "*** brown_cat has left #wikipedia ("FREE GAY PORN WWW.BUMM13.COM/PERSONAL")"
2008-01-08 16:26 < bumm13> this begs the question: why should he be treated different than other disruptors, crapflooders, etc. with such behavior?
2008-01-08 16:26 < Cometstyles> XD
2008-01-08 16:27 < Cometstyles> bumm13, silence him for 2 weeks :)
2008-01-08 16:27 < bumm13> well, that's roughly what I was thinking
2008-01-08 16:27 < Cometstyles> or take away his catnip ..you choose :P
2008-01-08 16:27 < bumm13> but first, he'll simply be unable to join the channel
2008-01-08 16:27 < bumm13> (then I'll taper off a bit)
2008-01-08 16:28 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Is it work safe?
2008-01-08 16:29 < LuciferTiger> oh yes
2008-01-08 16:29 < LuciferTiger> if its not SFL i'll label it so.
2008-01-08 16:30 < LuciferTiger> SFW as the people in real world call it
2008-01-08 16:31 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: that reminds me of the time we were doing integration and my professor says, with dead earnestness, "You can have secs two at a time."
2008-01-08 16:31 < bumm13> hi JonathanD
2008-01-08 16:31 < LuciferTiger> lol
2008-01-08 16:32 < LuciferTiger> and sec (c) is like the omnipresent pun in math classes
2008-01-08 16:32 < LuciferTiger> 1/cos (c)
2008-01-08 16:33 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Too 1/cos(c) for this shirt?
2008-01-08 16:33 < quanticle> Or, 2/cos(c) for this shirt
2008-01-08 16:33 < LuciferTiger> Im 2/cos (c) for this room
2008-01-08 16:39 * Ceiling_Cat differentiates quanticle
2008-01-08 16:41 * quanticle integrates himself
2008-01-08 16:47 < kalila> hi - I'm looking for the article on wp that talks about the general tone of the wikipedia, he inherit bias and how we can combat it
2008-01-08 16:47 < kalila> where is it?
2008-01-08 16:47 < quanticle> kalila: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility
2008-01-08 16:48 < quanticle> kalila: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV
2008-01-08 16:48 < kalila> Nope
2008-01-08 16:49 < kalila> it had a desciprtion like "the general wikipedian is western male living in the west aged between 20 and 30 and such and such, and therefore we need to such and such.
2008-01-08 16:49 < kalila> stupid description I know, but I need the article :)
2008-01-08 16:49 < quanticle> kalila: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:STYLE
2008-01-08 16:49 < kalila> Nope :)
2008-01-08 16:49 < The359> fail
2008-01-08 16:49 * quanticle is out of guesses
2008-01-08 16:50 < kalila> it's a meta-NPOV article
2008-01-08 16:50 < quanticle> The359: Your turn
2008-01-08 16:51 < kalila> I found it
2008-01-08 16:51 < kalila> Nopehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CSB
2008-01-08 16:51 < kalila> It's a great article.
2008-01-08 16:58 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles quanticle
2008-01-08 16:59 * quanticle runs around screaming "Aargh, get it off! get it OFF!"
2008-01-08 16:59 < quanticle> :)
2008-01-08 16:59 < quanticle> Just kidding
2008-01-08 16:59 * quanticle gets on a ladder and huggles Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-08 17:01 < Ceiling_Cat> :)
2008-01-08 17:02 * Ceiling_Cat is an unrepentant [[facehugger]]
2008-01-08 17:04 * Cometstyles is an unrepentant [[facehugger]] too :)
2008-01-08 17:05 * Ceiling_alien hugs Ceiling_cat
2008-01-08 17:06 < Ceiling_alien> tenderly
2008-01-08 17:06 < Ceiling_alien> so that he never facehugs again
2008-01-08 17:07 * TheWeasel facehugs room and repents
2008-01-08 17:08 * Ceiling_Cat huggles bishonen
2008-01-08 17:08 * sigourney_weaver facehugs Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-08 17:10 < sigourney_weaver> pity it's my dullest FA, Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-08 17:10 < sigourney_weaver> but i guess it was the only one left.
2008-01-08 17:11 < Ceiling_Cat> Bishy - when are you coming back? We miss you
2008-01-08 17:13 < sigourney_weaver> Ceiling_Cat: when the arbcom acquires a tiny bit of respect for me. it's a bit of a shock to go from user in good standing--one who mentors problem users, so to speak--to problem user myself. uncomfortable.
2008-01-08 17:13 < sigourney_weaver> I'm not editing while it's like that.
2008-01-08 17:14 < MUNCHLAX> [[User:Floaterfluss]] can [[fuck a duck]]
2008-01-08 17:15 < Cometstyles> O_O
2008-01-08 17:16 < Ceiling_Cat> sigourney_weaver - I'm sorry you feel that way. You're always welcome here, as far as I am concerned
2008-01-08 17:16 < sigourney_weaver> one of the first findings posted was about my disruptive editing, and people fell over each other to support. and you expect me to edit? I think not.
2008-01-08 17:16 < sigourney_weaver> Ceiling_Cat: but thank you for those kind words.
2008-01-08 17:18 < bumm13> (hmm, the 2008 Dakar Rally was cancelled)
2008-01-08 17:19 < Ceiling_Cat> Teehee
2008-01-08 17:19 < Ceiling_Cat> The Adult Erotic Gay Video Awards, better known as the "Grabbys," are presented annually for gay pornography by Gay Chicago Magazine. The Grabbys website is hosted by the online version of Gay Chicago Magazine.
2008-01-08 17:19 < Ceiling_Cat> See also: Grabby recipients
2008-01-08 17:19 < bishonen> Ceiling_Cat is now known as Grabby
2008-01-08 17:19 * Formentar keeps his hands off.
2008-01-08 17:20 * Ceiling_Cat wants a grabby award
2008-01-08 17:20 < Ceiling_Cat> but I don't like what you have to do to get one
2008-01-08 17:20 < bishonen> lol
2008-01-08 17:20 < bishonen> i do
2008-01-08 17:20 < bumm13> "If peer pressure ("please stop that") doesn't work: Jimbo has asked that admins witnessing behavior unbecoming a Wikipedia admin in the channel, of any kind, are encouraged to contact a channel operator, the Arbitration Committee or Jimbo Wales directly, in that order. Jimbo has committed to a sense of kindness and civility on Wikipedia, and this can include some forms of off-wiki interaction." lol
2008-01-08 17:20 * Cyrius awards Ceiling_Cat a Snarky
2008-01-08 17:21 < bumm13> nevermind that the admins channel is not "on Wikipedia"
2008-01-08 17:21 < shimgray> bumm13: You will be kind and friendly OR WE WILL NAIL YOUR TESTICLES TO THE WALL so love thy neighbour, etcv
2008-01-08 17:21 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - where did you see that?
2008-01-08 17:21 < Formentar> Frankly I wouldn't want to be in straight porn either. The women aren't all that, you're supposed to perform like you've never performed in your life, and your mom might watch it.
2008-01-08 17:21 < shimgray> Ceiling_Cat: Identity theft. Turn up claiming to be a recipient, get the award, flee
2008-01-08 17:21 < bumm13> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IRC_channels/wikipedia-en-admins#Dealing_with_problematic_behaviour
2008-01-08 17:21 < bumm13> Formentar: heh
2008-01-08 17:22 < bishonen> bumm13: can the off-wiki interaction include grabbiness?
2008-01-08 17:22 < Formentar> shimgray: I don't know what Ceiling_Cat looks like, but might he pass for Ron Jeremy? :-)
2008-01-08 17:22 < bumm13> it probably already does ;p
2008-01-08 17:22 < Ceiling_Cat> Formentar - I've heard that most straight porn stars have to start out in gay porn
2008-01-08 17:22 < IceKarma> shimgray, I think the level of impersonation required is a bit high ;)
2008-01-08 17:22 < Ceiling_Cat> also, anyone in here watch the power rangers growing up?
2008-01-08 17:22 < Ceiling_Cat> The original red ranger is now a gay porn star
2008-01-08 17:23 < bishonen> Formentar: ok, just the FIRST thing there is that my mom is 250 years old.
2008-01-08 17:23 < IceKarma> Ceiling_Cat, eh, I'd think that would depend, given that a guy in gay porn is one of the objects, whereas in straight porn, the guys seem to be as ugly as humanly possible to completely avoid even the faintest hint of homoeroticism ;)
2008-01-08 17:23 < Formentar> bishonen: All the more awkward if she finds out, eh?
2008-01-08 17:24 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: hee, gay porn.
2008-01-08 17:24 < bishonen> Formentar: not at all, she's with it as all getout.
2008-01-08 17:24 < Cyrius> IceKarma: I think it's more to avoid threatening the fantasies of the men watching it =)
2008-01-08 17:24 < IceKarma> Cyrius, that's what I was trying to say, around my migraine
2008-01-08 17:24 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-08 17:25 < Cyrius> no, it's a different issue
2008-01-08 17:25 < Cyrius> "hey, look at that guy. he's not any better looking than me and he's sticking his dick up her butt!"
2008-01-08 17:25 < Formentar> IceKarma: There are some guys that look OK, though. If there weren't, I don't think I could get my wife to watch...
2008-01-08 17:25 < bumm13> :P
2008-01-08 17:25 < Ceiling_Cat> man, having your mom tell you she saw you in a gay porn video
2008-01-08 17:25 < IceKarma> Cyrius, ahh
2008-01-08 17:25 < Ceiling_Cat> that's so messed up on so many levels
2008-01-08 17:25 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't know where to begin
2008-01-08 17:25 < bishonen> Ceiling_Cat: definitely for a gal, yeah.
2008-01-08 17:26 < Ceiling_Cat> I mean, what do you say in response?
2008-01-08 17:26 < bumm13> hell, I always thought that merely those women who show their parents their Playboy pics was messed up enough :P
2008-01-08 17:26 < Ceiling_Cat> SURPRISE?
2008-01-08 17:26 < Formentar> If guys can get off on watching Lesbian Spank Inferno (or whatnot), surely mothers can enjoy gay porn flicks, no?
2008-01-08 17:26 < bumm13> and then their parents saying that they support them doing such pics ;)
2008-01-08 17:26 < IceKarma> Formentar, eh, my limited understanding is that girls' and guys' fantasies and expectations from porn are different
2008-01-08 17:26 < shimgray> Ceiling_Cat: *anything* except "Oh, good, it's only those you've found"
2008-01-08 17:27 < Formentar> IceKarma: I believe you're right. But I see no reason to accept reality. :-D
2008-01-08 17:27 < ST47> DEATH TO FAIR USE!
2008-01-08 17:27 < Ceiling_Cat> I will say, you have to respect a porn star's work ethic. Anyone who willingly gets a hollywood wax deserves respect for that alone
2008-01-08 17:27 < bumm13> haha
2008-01-08 17:28 < Ceiling_Cat> and then there's the [[Anal bleaching]]
2008-01-08 17:28 < bumm13> oh gawd
2008-01-08 17:29 < Suva> What happened to bishonen? Her userspace seems kind of... Misplaced
2008-01-08 17:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Suva - bishy is on strike/has left wikipedia
2008-01-08 17:30 < Ceiling_Cat> over the arbcom's proposed decision in the IRC case
2008-01-08 17:30 < Formentar> I guess brown isn't in this decade. Maybe in 2017 the bleaching stuff will just be a historical footnote to an article about [[Anal darkening]]...
2008-01-08 17:30 < Suva> Ceiling_Cat: What IRC case?
2008-01-08 17:31 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/IRC/Proposed_decision
2008-01-08 17:31 < bumm13> (it's a sad, sad clusterfuck)
2008-01-08 17:32 < TheWeasel> Maddy Albright is trying to look over Hillary's shoulder
2008-01-08 17:32 < TheWeasel> give it up
2008-01-08 17:32 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-08 17:32 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-08 17:32 < Cyrius> #wikipedia-en-admins, why am I not surprised?
2008-01-08 17:33 < bumm13> we should have mailing list cases next ;p
2008-01-08 17:33 < bishonen> Ceiling_Cat: it wasn't over that. but while i was away, they posted that crap, so i didn't feel like returning.
2008-01-08 17:34 < Mike_H> http://wikinewsreports.blogspot.com/2008/01/final-voting-in-pick-your-own-top-model.html
2008-01-08 17:34 < Mike_H> yay
2008-01-08 17:34 < bumm13> :)
2008-01-08 17:35 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat: Just be glad you dodged the bullet on that one... You could easily have been implicated...
2008-01-08 17:36 < cimon> Tony was hardly one of the mouthiest of people on the channels.
2008-01-08 17:36 < bishonen> oh, cimon. you were most helpful yourself.
2008-01-08 17:36 < Lubaf> bishonen: Any ETR?
2008-01-08 17:37 < cimon> bishonen: I could be more helpful, if I choose....
2008-01-08 17:37 < bishonen> cimon, i beleive there's an exemption for dead babies.
2008-01-08 17:37 < bishonen> lubaf, ETR?
2008-01-08 17:37 < Lubaf> ETA - A + Return.
2008-01-08 17:37 < cimon> bishonen: but not for bitches? I smell a double standard...
2008-01-08 17:38 < bishonen> lubaf, is this the fucking socratic method or something? say what you're talking about or kindly forget about it.
2008-01-08 17:38 < Lubaf> bishonen: Estimated Time of Return.
2008-01-08 17:38 < Suva> Haha, arbcase or anything
2008-01-08 17:38 < bishonen> cimon, that's because we love Raul.
2008-01-08 17:38 < bumm13> cimon: please keep things civil, even if implied
2008-01-08 17:39 < bishonen> bumm13: that was a literary reference. nothing incivil
2008-01-08 17:39 < bumm13> hmm
2008-01-08 17:39 < cimon> bishonen: for sufficient values of "we"
2008-01-08 17:39 < bishonen> lubaf, that's entirely up to the arbcom.
2008-01-08 17:39 < The359> wtf
2008-01-08 17:39 < The359> WP:PHOTO redirects to a Portal
2008-01-08 17:40 < cimon> bumm13: I am playing no sides against all sides.
2008-01-08 17:40 < Cometstyles> O_O
2008-01-08 17:40 < Lubaf> cimon: That's funny, I'm playing God.
2008-01-08 17:40 < Lubaf> Or doG, depending on the circumstances.
2008-01-08 17:41 < Lubaf> Or maybe cat.
2008-01-08 17:41 < cimon> Lubaf: : Heel!
2008-01-08 17:41 < Lubaf> cimon: Meow.
2008-01-08 17:41 < Mike_H> Jade Cole (Cycle 6) - Do we need to say more about Jade? "Exotic biracial butterfly"? "Soldier sister"? "The undiscovered supermodel"? She could take wonderful pictures but at times her personality was totally rank, but let's face it, she made for great television. Who could forget that poetic line "Furonda, my dear/I know your skin is bumpy/But my skin is flawless/And you look really lumpy"?
2008-01-08 17:41 * bumm13 NP: Bananarama - Cruel Summer (1982)
2008-01-08 17:41 < Mike_H> she's one of the top vote-getters in Wikinews' "Pick Your Own Top Model!" contest
2008-01-08 17:42 < Lubaf> bishonen: What're you waiting on, exactly?
2008-01-08 17:42 < bishonen> respect, Lubaf. I'm not inclined to discuss it further, sorry.
2008-01-08 17:43 < Lubaf> bishonen: Fair enough.