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2008-01-08 10:09 < Lycurgus> the other part is the way the group overall is in-looking and ignores the objective reality of the world outside of it
2008-01-08 10:09 < zocky> does the fact that hamas is islamic mean anything more than the fact that CDU is christian?
2008-01-08 10:09 < TheWeasel> not Fatah that much, but the radical splinters
2008-01-08 10:09 < TheWeasel> yep
2008-01-08 10:09 < NotACow> Zach: cool. i bet that's confusing.
2008-01-08 10:09 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle do you have any idea how many countries Hezbollah operate?
2008-01-08 10:09 < Shiroi_Neko> they want to purge the world of non-muslims
2008-01-08 10:10 < Lycurgus> s/ignores/sets itself in opposition to/
2008-01-08 10:10 < Shiroi_Neko> as wel as bad muslims
2008-01-08 10:10 < TheWeasel> Hamas is more Islamic than the CDU is Christian.
2008-01-08 10:10 < Lycurgus> is it?
2008-01-08 10:10 < zocky> i don't support religious political organizations as a matter of principle, but I don't see why political islam should worry me more than political christianity
2008-01-08 10:10 < TheWeasel> maybe ... "as the Republicans or the Australian Liberals are Christian"
2008-01-08 10:10 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: You're still thinking of Hamas. They're the ones who want to rid the world of Israel and non-muslims
2008-01-08 10:11 < Shiroi_Neko> hezbollah has a similar agenda
2008-01-08 10:11 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Hezbollah was founded to oppose Israeli occupation of Lebanon
2008-01-08 10:11 < zocky> TheWeasel, or is it just that CDU works in a country where it already has most of what a religious political movement would want?
2008-01-08 10:11 < Lycurgus> al qaeda is more religious than CDU, dunno about Hamas or Fatah
2008-01-08 10:11 < Shiroi_Neko> unlike hamas they operate internationaly
2008-01-08 10:11 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle Hezbolah operates even in Saudi arabia
2008-01-08 10:11 < Tony_Sidaway> It strikes me that the "oh dear we have to worry about moslems because moslems are blowing people up" kinda sidesteps most of the history of non-moslem people. :)
2008-01-08 10:11 < TheWeasel> zocky: Methods tend to be more micro-aggressive and on the other hand there's a lot of sensitivity in their own backyard
2008-01-08 10:12 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: How so? Neither Hezbollah nor Hamas has any significant influence outside of the Palestinian territories or Lebanon
2008-01-08 10:12 < TheWeasel> About 5% of Germans go to church with any regularity
2008-01-08 10:12 < Shiroi_Neko> oh they do
2008-01-08 10:12 < zocky> they still vote CDU though
2008-01-08 10:12 < TheWeasel> yea, but not for the Christian stuff
2008-01-08 10:12 < Shiroi_Neko> very recently an Hezbollah cell was exposed in Turkey
2008-01-08 10:12 < TheWeasel> more for the "death to youth culture" stuff
2008-01-08 10:13 < Tony_Sidaway> Shiroi_Neko: somebody pulled their pants down?
2008-01-08 10:13 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Hmmm. I find it hard to believe that Hezbollah operates in Saudi Arabia because Saudis are Sunni, while Hezbollah is Shia
2008-01-08 10:13 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle yes
2008-01-08 10:13 < Shiroi_Neko> they make money in saudi arabia
2008-01-08 10:13 < zocky> quanticle, there are shias in saudi arabia
2008-01-08 10:13 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: No they don
2008-01-08 10:13 < quanticle> t
2008-01-08 10:13 < Shiroi_Neko> sure they do
2008-01-08 10:13 < Shiroi_Neko> illegaly
2008-01-08 10:13 < Shiroi_Neko> but money is money
2008-01-08 10:13 < zocky> and anyway, it's not as if sunnis and shias are mortal enemies by default
2008-01-08 10:13 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Hezbollah gets its money from Iran
2008-01-08 10:13 < Tony_Sidaway> Shiroi_Neko: there are no doubt a couple of Hizbollah cells in various British universities. I expect they're being watched by MI5. What else do you want us to do?
2008-01-08 10:13 < TheWeasel> there are next to no Shias in Saudi Arabia.
2008-01-08 10:14 < quanticle> zocky: Actually it kinda is
2008-01-08 10:14 < zocky> even catholics and protestants get along in most places nowadays
2008-01-08 10:14 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: You're thinking of Al Quaida
2008-01-08 10:14 < Shiroi_Neko> Tony_Sidaway I expect you to give me a hug
2008-01-08 10:14 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle Hezbilah is like Alquida
2008-01-08 10:14 * Tony_Sidaway hugs Shiroi_Neko in brotherly affection
2008-01-08 10:14 < zocky> no it's not
2008-01-08 10:14 < quanticle> zocky: Catholics and Protestants had some pretty bad wars before they decided to get along
2008-01-08 10:14 < TheWeasel> Catholics and Protestants get along with Jews in most places
2008-01-08 10:14 < Shiroi_Neko> they operate in an identical manner to collect resources
2008-01-08 10:14 < quanticle> zocky: Muslims haven't had that yet
2008-01-08 10:14 < zocky> quanticle, sure they had it
2008-01-08 10:14 < TheWeasel> and not just because they want to speed up Christ's return
2008-01-08 10:15 < Lycurgus> why then?
2008-01-08 10:15 < zocky> there are plenty of places where sunnis and shias live in peace, and many places where they lived in peace until recently
2008-01-08 10:15 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Hezbollah is nothing like Al Quaida. If you treat them the same, you are commiting a grievous tactical error. Simply put, Hezbollah is a political organization that can be negotiated with. Al Quaida is not.
2008-01-08 10:15 < TheWeasel> um... because they're civil people?
2008-01-08 10:15 < quanticle> zocky: When?
2008-01-08 10:16 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle Hezbollah is listed as terrorist
2008-01-08 10:16 < zocky> quanticle, you are aware that there are both sunnis and shias in almost all islamic countries?
2008-01-08 10:16 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: The IRA was listed as terrorist too
2008-01-08 10:16 < Shiroi_Neko> Hezbollah likes to murder people using their own muscles
2008-01-08 10:16 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Doesn't mean you can't negotiate
2008-01-08 10:16 < Shiroi_Neko> IRA is still a terrorist
2008-01-08 10:16 < TheWeasel> and many Christians don't rub in that they inherently see Jews as imperfect Christians
2008-01-08 10:16 < zocky> and they don't have daily warfare over the issue in most of them
2008-01-08 10:16 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle I dont negotiate with terrirsts
2008-01-08 10:16 < TheWeasel> which helps
2008-01-08 10:16 < nazgjunk> I don't like the word "terrorist" a lot
2008-01-08 10:16 * TheWeasel neither
2008-01-08 10:16 < nazgjunk> 'cause it's misleading and misused, a lot.
2008-01-08 10:17 < Shiroi_Neko> nazgjunk I can use "Freedom Fries" in its place if you like
2008-01-08 10:17 < quanticle> zocky: I also see that Islam hasn't gone through the painful reformation process that all other religions have gone through
2008-01-08 10:17 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: You're as bad as Bush
2008-01-08 10:17 < Shiroi_Neko> no I cant be as bad
2008-01-08 10:17 < Shiroi_Neko> no one can be as bad as bush
2008-01-08 10:17 < Shiroi_Neko> not even me
2008-01-08 10:17 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Yeah, you're not president
2008-01-08 10:17 < Shiroi_Neko> I am the president of my own house!
2008-01-08 10:17 < zocky> quanticle, of course it did, right after mohamed died
2008-01-08 10:18 < Shiroi_Neko> I rule over one microwave oven, one dish washer and 2 coputers
2008-01-08 10:18 < quanticle> zocky: Right. But the Sunni/Shia factions still don't acknowledge that the other could be correct
2008-01-08 10:18 < zocky> nor do various kinds of christians
2008-01-08 10:18 < Lycurgus> well the muslims jews and christians do have a crisis of legitimacy as they are supposed to be about the same thing and are mutually inconstent and obvious fallacious treatment of that same thing whether it is a baseless superstiion
2008-01-08 10:18 < quanticle> zocky: Its that dogmatism that leads to civil conflict
2008-01-08 10:18 < Lycurgus> or not.
2008-01-08 10:18 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle the problem is there are many conservative musims who want to live in the dark ages
2008-01-08 10:19 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle Shias and Sunnis dont care much about each other for the most part
2008-01-08 10:19 < Shiroi_Neko> the conflict in Iraq is a political one
2008-01-08 10:19 < zocky> quanticle, it's just a lot of FUD, if you ask me. the problems that are causing civil conflict have nothing to do with religion.
2008-01-08 10:19 < quanticle> zocky: Not necessarily. Mainstream protestant churches do generally acknowledge one another these days
2008-01-08 10:19 < Shiroi_Neko> not reigious
2008-01-08 10:19 < zocky> quanticle, but catholics don't acknowledge anybody else
2008-01-08 10:19 * TheWeasel knows few Muslims who can discuss Jews (and Israel) without heavy bias
2008-01-08 10:19 < zocky> but it doesn't matter
2008-01-08 10:19 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Right. But conservative Shia and conservative Sunni do care
2008-01-08 10:19 < TheWeasel> Mostly Bosnians.
2008-01-08 10:20 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: And, given the silence of the moderates in Islam, its only the conservatives who matter
2008-01-08 10:20 < TheWeasel> Moderation is *always* silent
2008-01-08 10:20 < zocky> TheWeasel, yeah, policy re jews and israel was one of the good things in yugoslavia - they were two completely separate issues
2008-01-08 10:20 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle well
2008-01-08 10:20 < quanticle> zocky: Its true. The religious thing is a cover for tribal battles over resources. It was the same during the Wars of Religion in Europe
2008-01-08 10:21 < Shiroi_Neko> moderate muslims are tyicaly murdered
2008-01-08 10:21 < TheWeasel> Moderate Muslims are ignored
2008-01-08 10:21 < TheWeasel> radically progressive Muslims are murdered
2008-01-08 10:21 < Shiroi_Neko> TheWeasel yess
2008-01-08 10:22 < Shiroi_Neko> Turkey used to be a progressive country
2008-01-08 10:22 < Shiroi_Neko> not any more
2008-01-08 10:22 < zocky> quanticle, it's mostly not "tribal battle". it's not middle ages anymore. it's now about ethnic/political/economic/financial issues, just like wars in all other places
2008-01-08 10:22 < quanticle> TheWeasel: That's probably the most true thing I've heard all day
2008-01-08 10:22 * TheWeasel doesn't find Ayaan Hirsi Ali all-good, btw.
2008-01-08 10:23 < zocky> TheWeasel, the trolls of her kind aren't doing anybody any good, if you ask me
2008-01-08 10:23 < TheWeasel> I think she's far too broad at times
2008-01-08 10:23 < Lycurgus> broads++
2008-01-08 10:23 < zocky> except their own wallets, of course
2008-01-08 10:23 < quanticle> zocky: What you call "ethnic" issues, they call "tribal" issues
2008-01-08 10:23 < quanticle> Ayaan Who?
2008-01-08 10:24 < TheWeasel> she's on a good mission with too much zeal. And it's funny that she wanted to limit immigration for people who cheat on entry when it turned out that she did as well.
2008-01-08 10:24 < zocky> quanticle, in places which aren't urbanized, tribal may be the right word. but in most places, tribes aren't an issue anymore, and in others they never were.
2008-01-08 10:24 < TheWeasel> quanticle: A Somali-Dutch anti-Islam crusader
2008-01-08 10:24 < zocky> tribe and ethnicity isn't the same thing
2008-01-08 10:25 < Shiroi_Neko> ethnicty is an ugly term if you ask me
2008-01-08 10:25 < quanticle> TheWeasel: She hasn't been assassinated yet?
2008-01-08 10:25 < Lycurgus> oh, the one who had problems in the tweede kammer?
2008-01-08 10:25 < zocky> well, there's no other to replace it
2008-01-08 10:25 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Color me surprised
2008-01-08 10:25 < Shiroi_Neko> for the most part people have gotten over the religion sex race barrier
2008-01-08 10:25 < Shiroi_Neko> now we have an ethnicity barrier
2008-01-08 10:25 < TheWeasel> she writes for right-wing American outlets now.
2008-01-08 10:25 < TheWeasel> the Islamofascism bunch
2008-01-08 10:25 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Most people in the West perhaps
2008-01-08 10:25 < zocky> she's the other side of the american-kid-cum-muslim-convert-terrorist
2008-01-08 10:26 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Not so much everywhere else
2008-01-08 10:26 < zocky> ...coin
2008-01-08 10:26 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle people will get there
2008-01-08 10:26 < Shiroi_Neko> I am tlking about those who did
2008-01-08 10:26 < Shiroi_Neko> think of the US
2008-01-08 10:26 < Shiroi_Neko> they have a freaking thincalled the affirmative action
2008-01-08 10:26 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: True. But the world isn't all peaches and cream. There's still a lot of violence to come
2008-01-08 10:26 < zocky> the concept of ethnicity is built into people's brains
2008-01-08 10:26 < TheWeasel> she's the baffling kind of "right-wing liberalism" that America barely knows
2008-01-08 10:27 < TheWeasel> because that wing of the GOP has died out
2008-01-08 10:27 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle peaches and cream can resolve any dispute
2008-01-08 10:27 < quanticle> TheWeasel: It was replaced by the neocons
2008-01-08 10:27 < zocky> all that can be changed is who they learn or decide is a part of their ethnicity and who isn't
2008-01-08 10:27 < Shiroi_Neko> What israelis and palestinians really need is lots of peaches and cream
2008-01-08 10:27 < TheWeasel> neocon who's hard on education and reasonably liberal on social issues
2008-01-08 10:27 < TheWeasel> *immigration
2008-01-08 10:27 < TheWeasel> not education
2008-01-08 10:28 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: You have a point. Perhaps we should convert all those olive groves to peach orchards
2008-01-08 10:28 < Shiroi_Neko> yes
2008-01-08 10:28 < Shiroi_Neko> well
2008-01-08 10:28 < Shiroi_Neko> no
2008-01-08 10:28 < Shiroi_Neko> olive is also good
2008-01-08 10:28 < Shiroi_Neko> peachy olives!
2008-01-08 10:28 < Shiroi_Neko> man
2008-01-08 10:28 < Shiroi_Neko> I want ollives
2008-01-08 10:28 < Shiroi_Neko> :(
2008-01-08 10:28 < zocky> peaches are from iran
2008-01-08 10:29 < zocky> you don't want to scare neither jews nor arabs with the fruit of persia
2008-01-08 10:29 < Lycurgus> in the old world they are
2008-01-08 10:29 < Shiroi_Neko> Persia?
2008-01-08 10:29 < Shiroi_Neko> THIS IS SPARTAAAAA!
2008-01-08 10:29 < TheWeasel> Prince of Persia!
2008-01-08 10:29 < Lycurgus> the german word even sounds like and/or is derived from "persia"
2008-01-08 10:29 < zocky> prince of persia wasn't a fruit
2008-01-08 10:30 < Shiroi_Neko> prince of persia had the balls
2008-01-08 10:30 < zocky> Lycurgus, yes
2008-01-08 10:30 < quanticle> Heh: The irresistible beauty of programming consists in the reduction of complex formal processes to a very small set of primitive operations. Java, instead of exposing this beauty, encourages the programmer to approach problem-solving like a plumber in a hardware store: by rummaging through a multitude of drawers (i.e. packages) we will end up finding some gadget (i.e. class) that does roughly what we want.
2008-01-08 10:30 < quanticle> Source: http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/CrossTalk/2008/01/0801DewarSchonberg.html
2008-01-08 10:30 < TheWeasel> Prince of Persiko
2008-01-08 10:30 < zocky> The Peach (Prunus persica) is a species of Prunus native to China that bears an edible juicy fruit also called a peach.
2008-01-08 10:30 < TheWeasel> is the one who can the most peach liqueur
2008-01-08 10:30 < zocky> so, it's actually from china, but known to europeans through persia
2008-01-08 10:30 < TheWeasel> *drink
2008-01-08 10:30 < quanticle> Apparently Java is considered harmful these days, just like BASIC
2008-01-08 10:30 < Shiroi_Neko> life is peachy! :P
2008-01-08 10:30 * quanticle is a Java programmer
2008-01-08 10:31 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle which makes you peachy
2008-01-08 10:31 < TheWeasel> "malus sinensis" Apfelsine/Sinasappel
2008-01-08 10:31 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Being a Java programmer makes me peachy?
2008-01-08 10:31 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle precisely
2008-01-08 10:31 < TheWeasel> (Chinese apple)
2008-01-08 10:31 < Shiroi_Neko> thats why we will send you to israel to resolve it
2008-01-08 10:31 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: I thought it'd make me coffeey
2008-01-08 10:31 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle no the vending machine makes coffee
2008-01-08 10:32 < Lycurgus> quanticle: yeah some nice stuff comes out of there, have you seen Tom Schorschs CIMM stuff (Capability Immaturity Model)?
2008-01-08 10:32 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle: obviously Scheme is the only language for a serious programmer. ;)
2008-01-08 10:32 < TheWeasel> ...and the vending machine runs with Java?
2008-01-08 10:33 < zocky> Shiroi_Neko, what's peach called in turkish?
2008-01-08 10:33 < Shiroi_Neko> Seftali
2008-01-08 10:33 < zocky> şeftali
2008-01-08 10:33 < Tony_Sidaway> Shiroi_Neko: you're a seftali
2008-01-08 10:33 < zocky> yeah, nothing to do with persia
2008-01-08 10:33 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: Scheme is castrated Common Lisp
2008-01-08 10:34 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Oddly enough, the vending machine doesn't run Java. It runs C
2008-01-08 10:34 < TheWeasel> Oh, right
2008-01-08 10:34 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle: no, seriously. Scheme existed before CL. And it's hanging in there where CL can't reach.
2008-01-08 10:34 < Shiroi_Neko> http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Eeftali
2008-01-08 10:34 < TheWeasel> if not, I'd have falsely said "how ironic"
2008-01-08 10:34 < Shiroi_Neko> pronounced more like Sheftali
2008-01-08 10:34 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: Scheme doesn't have any useful libraries
2008-01-08 10:35 < Shiroi_Neko> the word has persian origin
2008-01-08 10:35 < Lycurgus> instead of ironical?
2008-01-08 10:35 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't do CL because I don't have a big enough brain to deal with the awfulness of CL.
2008-01-08 10:35 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: You can't make an interactive website with Scheme, but you can with CL
2008-01-08 10:35 < Shiroi_Neko> origianly it was called şeft-i alu
2008-01-08 10:36 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle: I don't know where you get that idea. You can make an interactive website with Basic if you're mad enough.
2008-01-08 10:36 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-01-08 10:36 < Tony_Sidaway> There are quite a lot of Scheme-based wikis around.
2008-01-08 10:36 < Shiroi_Neko> zocky the thing is people thought numers were arabic
2008-01-08 10:36 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: Right, but CL has the libraries and functions to make interactive websites feasible
2008-01-08 10:36 < Shiroi_Neko> when they are indian
2008-01-08 10:36 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle: good! So does Scheme.
2008-01-08 10:37 < Lycurgus> the quadriga: CL + Haskell + Prolog + Squeak.
2008-01-08 10:37 < Tony_Sidaway> And so (I'm sorry to say) do most programing languages
2008-01-08 10:37 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Well the Europeans learned them from the Arabs, who in turn learned them from the Indians
2008-01-08 10:37 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Squeak == Smalltalk?
2008-01-08 10:37 < Lycurgus> yes.
2008-01-08 10:37 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: <shudder> Like perl
2008-01-08 10:38 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle: I think we're into the "X comes out of the box singing the Hallelujah Chorus" argument.
2008-01-08 10:38 < Tony_Sidaway> Noli contendere
2008-01-08 10:38 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: True
2008-01-08 10:38 < Shiroi_Neko> Tony_Sidaway pop goes TheWeasel
2008-01-08 10:38 < quanticle> Hey, look at the flamewar on #wikipedia-en
2008-01-08 10:39 < uberpenguin> oh look, programming languages
2008-01-08 10:39 * Tony_Sidaway advances on quanticle with flame retardant blanket.
2008-01-08 10:39 < uberpenguin> lisp is horrible and the people who like it are horrible
2008-01-08 10:39 < uberpenguin> functional programming is horrible and RPG is the best programming language ever
2008-01-08 10:39 < uberpenguin> mull over that
2008-01-08 10:39 * Lycurgus eats uberpenguin.
2008-01-08 10:39 < quanticle> uberpenguin: Oh yeah?! Well so is C
2008-01-08 10:40 < uberpenguin> the phrase "best programming language ever" leaves no room for an equal
2008-01-08 10:40 * quanticle shudders at the thought of doing anything in RPG
2008-01-08 10:40 < Shiroi_Neko> I wish people still used punch cards
2008-01-08 10:40 < quanticle> I'd rather do things in FORTRAN than RPG
2008-01-08 10:40 < uberpenguin> (kudos to those of you who know what RPG is without googling it)
2008-01-08 10:40 < Shiroi_Neko> at least them programmers would be treated with more... respect?
2008-01-08 10:40 < uberpenguin> then you're nuts... obviously you haven't used anything past RPG II
2008-01-08 10:40 < Shiroi_Neko> RPG Rocket propelled grenade
2008-01-08 10:40 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: If we did everything with punch cards and fortran?
2008-01-08 10:40 < Lycurgus> RPG-IV isnt' that bad (compared to the thing with the cards which is the only one I ever used)
2008-01-08 10:40 < Shiroi_Neko> RPG Role playing game
2008-01-08 10:41 < uberpenguin> RPG IV is pretty darn good at what it does
2008-01-08 10:41 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle no you punch the disrespectful
2008-01-08 10:41 < quanticle> uberpenguin: Well, I hear FORTRAN 95 isn't so bad either
2008-01-08 10:41 < uberpenguin> RPG V gets a little weird
2008-01-08 10:41 < Shiroi_Neko> wth the card
2008-01-08 10:41 < Shiroi_Neko> uberpenguin RPGs actualy have a wire for guidance
2008-01-08 10:41 < uberpenguin> FORTRAN is just really crusty... hardly anybody uses it anymore for what it's intended to be used for
2008-01-08 10:41 < AzaTht> Just uploaded an image to commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Theodore_Roosevelt_on_broken_glass.jpg but I'm uncertain what that tear is called
2008-01-08 10:41 * Lycurgus is going to be doing something with Second Life. As a matter of fact ...
2008-01-08 10:42 < quanticle> uberpenguin: FOTRTRAN still can't be beat when it comes to numerics
2008-01-08 10:42 * quanticle had to translate a MATLAB program to FOTRAN
2008-01-08 10:42 < Tony_Sidaway> What is RPG?
2008-01-08 10:42 < quanticle> The FORTRAN version ran 100x as fast
2008-01-08 10:42 < uberpenguin> most of the people I know doing really intensive supercomputing applications just use C or some odd proprietary language that they like
2008-01-08 10:42 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh shit this is a really old one?
2008-01-08 10:42 < quanticle> uberpenguin: C is nice because it lets you embed assembler
2008-01-08 10:42 < AzaTht> Tony_Sidaway: RollPlayingGame
2008-01-08 10:43 < uberpenguin> MATLAB doesn't work at all unless you can force your brain to think in matlab terms
2008-01-08 10:43 < uberpenguin> MATLAB is super optimized for linear operations on vectors, so you absolutely have to do everything that way
2008-01-08 10:43 < uberpenguin> if you ever see someone write matlab code with iteration in it, hit them hard
2008-01-08 10:43 < uberpenguin> quanticle: I'm not sure I consider that a "nice" feature
2008-01-08 10:44 < Tony_Sidaway> I played Fortran for ten years or so, had about 15,000 GP in the end, but traded them in for a shield and a dagger in C.
2008-01-08 10:44 < uberpenguin> though C is basically the portable assembly
2008-01-08 10:44 < quanticle> Heh. Me too. MATLAB is good for linear algebra, not much else
2008-01-08 10:44 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: Um what?
2008-01-08 10:45 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle: Frotran == RPG metaphore
2008-01-08 10:45 < Tony_Sidaway> metaphor
2008-01-08 10:45 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: right, but I still don't know where you were going with that
2008-01-08 10:45 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle: nor do I. The wonders of IRC...
2008-01-08 10:46 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: IRC! Now you can say things that don't make sense even in your own head!
2008-01-08 10:47 < Matt_Damon> Matt Damon!
2008-01-08 10:48 < quanticle> Umm. No.
2008-01-08 10:48 < quanticle> Matt Damon wouldn't hang out on IRC
2008-01-08 10:49 < Shiroi_Neko> Tony_Sidaway
2008-01-08 10:49 < Shiroi_Neko> pm
2008-01-08 10:50 < NotACow> DIE, EVIL FROGMORTON
2008-01-08 10:53 < zocky> TheWeasel, are you sure Laos is a PDR? or is "Lao People" in "Lao People's Democratic Republic" the name of the people, so it's like DDR?
2008-01-08 10:54 < TheWeasel> in German it's commonly translated as "Demokratische Volksrepublik Laos"
2008-01-08 10:54 < Leslie_S> i never knew Laos was communist
2008-01-08 10:54 < Leslie_S> heh
2008-01-08 10:54 < TheWeasel> as opposed to "Republik des Laotischen Volkes"
2008-01-08 10:55 < zocky> they are the country that has everything on their CoA, including a power plant and a small purple tractor
2008-01-08 10:55 < zocky> and their moto is "Peace, Independence, Democracy, Unity and Prosperity"
2008-01-08 10:55 < Leslie_S> CoA?
2008-01-08 10:55 < zocky> they should add "culture, sports, and the destruction of all other forms of life"
2008-01-08 10:55 < zocky> coat of arms
2008-01-08 10:55 < Leslie_S> lol...
2008-01-08 10:55 < zocky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wappen_laos_sw.svg
2008-01-08 10:56 < zocky> oh no, no tract
2008-01-08 10:56 < zocky> or
2008-01-08 10:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Is there anyone here interested in working with an ESPN staffer to help expandify an ESPN-related article?
2008-01-08 10:56 < zocky> or was that PDRK?
2008-01-08 10:56 < TheWeasel> Germany's is Unity and ...err... Due Process and Freedom
2008-01-08 10:56 < Leslie_S> why does peoples republic of XXX always indicate communism?
2008-01-08 10:56 < zocky> no, it seems laos changed its coat of arms
2008-01-08 10:57 < TheWeasel> Leslie_S: It's the model democracy of Jean-Jacques Rousseau
2008-01-08 10:57 < zocky> "people's democracy" is the "correct" name for what westerners call "communism"
2008-01-08 10:57 < TheWeasel> rather than the liberal model of John Locke
2008-01-08 10:57 < Leslie_S> zocky, oh
2008-01-08 10:58 < zocky> none of those countries ever claimed to be communist
2008-01-08 10:58 < TheWeasel> Rousseau said that there was a common will which had to be found and then supported by all
2008-01-08 10:58 < Leslie_S> zocky, didnt the soviet union?
2008-01-08 10:58 < TheWeasel> and that was replaced with the seemingly scientific theories of Marx
2008-01-08 10:58 < Ceiling_Cat> do we have a guide somewhere explaining that Wikipedia is GFDL, what the GFDL is, and how to re-use our content?
2008-01-08 10:58 < zocky> Leslie_S, no, it was "the union of soviet socialist republics"
2008-01-08 10:58 < quanticle> zocky: The Soviet Union claimed to be Marxist
2008-01-08 10:58 < TheWeasel> (as they understood them)
2008-01-08 10:58 < Leslie_S> oh
2008-01-08 10:59 < Leslie_S> whats the difference between socialism and communism anyway?
2008-01-08 10:59 < zocky> a country can't be marxist
2008-01-08 10:59 < Ceiling_Cat> Anyone?
2008-01-08 10:59 < TheWeasel> there were no self-proclaimed communist states, just communist parties
2008-01-08 10:59 < quanticle> TheWeasel: That's true.
2008-01-08 10:59 < TheWeasel> Socialism in the Marxist sense is a middle-step on the way to communism
2008-01-08 10:59 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Is that the doctrine of interational revolution?
2008-01-08 10:59 < zocky> Ceiling_Cat, don't you get something like that when you click "copyright" at the bottom of every page?
2008-01-08 10:59 < TheWeasel> it's the phase where the workers have to lead the way
2008-01-08 11:00 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: something that obviously necessary can't exist
2008-01-08 11:00 < TheWeasel> not only, though I think Trotsky was closer to Marx in many ways than Lenin
2008-01-08 11:00 < Ceiling_Cat> AHA
2008-01-08 11:00 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights#Reusers.27_rights_and_obligations
2008-01-08 11:02 < TheWeasel> anyway, gotta work
2008-01-08 11:02 < TheWeasel> druzhba, companeros
2008-01-08 11:02 < zocky> the great tragedy of marxism is that its correct basic assumption that society can be studied scientifically and proactively changed, was combined with the horribly wrong science of the day that said that people can be completely changed by society
2008-01-08 11:03 < TheWeasel> Lenin was bit of a Lady Macbeth to Marxism.
2008-01-08 11:03 < TheWeasel> he couldn't wait
2008-01-08 11:03 < zocky> the fundamentalist belief in 100% nurture vs. 0% nature caused many idiocies
2008-01-08 11:04 < zocky> many people still hang on to it, because they think anything else would make social injustice just
2008-01-08 11:05 < Ceiling_Cat> As I asked earlier -- is there anyone here interested in working with an ESPN staffer to help expandify an ESPN-related article?
2008-01-08 11:06 * TheWeasel is not qualified
2008-01-08 11:06 < TheWeasel> the problem with too much nature for criminal law is that in order to punish people there's got to be some sort of reproachable act
2008-01-08 11:06 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: What article, specifically?
2008-01-08 11:06 < Ceiling_Cat> [[ESPN The Magazine]]
2008-01-08 11:06 < Ceiling_Cat> see the article's talk page
2008-01-08 11:06 < TheWeasel> if there's, say, no free will, we only lock people in because they're dangerous to society
2008-01-08 11:07 < zocky> in either case, some people need to get locked up
2008-01-08 11:07 < TheWeasel> which is hard to justify at one point, especially because the length of a sentence is usually thought to have to adapt to the severity of the crime
2008-01-08 11:07 < TheWeasel> and not to the expected range of danger
2008-01-08 11:07 < zocky> it's a big, and totally unnecessary, intellectual mess
2008-01-08 11:08 < zocky> even if it's 100% nature, people are like they are, and that includes caring for justice, and holding others responsible for what they do
2008-01-08 11:08 < TheWeasel> they can't take responsibility if nature made them do it.
2008-01-08 11:08 < TheWeasel> they couldn't have prevented it
2008-01-08 11:08 < zocky> yes, but we can't let go of their responsibility because nature makes us do it.
2008-01-08 11:08 < zocky> it's a useless infinite loop
2008-01-08 11:09 < TheWeasel> yes, because responsibility hinges on choice
2008-01-08 11:09 < TheWeasel> you're responsible only if you're at least consciously negligent
2008-01-08 11:09 < TheWeasel> that's how law works
2008-01-08 11:10 < TheWeasel> maybe that sort of micro-no-free-will is bs anyway
2008-01-08 11:10 < TheWeasel> bbl
2008-01-08 11:10 < zocky> that's how it's currently worded, anyway, but the same principle was used when they thought nature decides everything
2008-01-08 11:11 < TheWeasel> then it's just revenge
2008-01-08 11:11 < TheWeasel> *it was
2008-01-08 11:12 < TheWeasel> it wasnt until Feuerbach in the early 19th century that someone asked any questions about a rationale for punishment
2008-01-08 11:13 < TheWeasel> and they saw a huge problem with "because it works"
2008-01-08 11:13 < zocky> people basically have several kinds of relations with other people hardwired into their brains
2008-01-08 11:13 < TheWeasel> (which it doesn't)
2008-01-08 11:13 < TheWeasel> at least worse than in theory
2008-01-08 11:13 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-08 11:13 < zocky> all the political struggles are about which mode should be used for which people
2008-01-08 11:14 < zocky> i.e. should you treat strangers like family/members of your tribe/allies/potential victims/enemies
2008-01-08 11:14 < zocky> and how should you decide which strangers to treat which way
2008-01-08 11:15 < TheWeasel> there are more abstract crimes than that
2008-01-08 11:15 < TheWeasel> hah anyway, brb
2008-01-08 11:55 < TheWeasel> back
2008-01-08 11:57 < bumm13> hiya Weasel
2008-01-08 11:57 < TheWeasel> Whenever I see "X-ville belonged to one of the largest cities in Y", I'm tempted to comment "to which?"
2008-01-08 11:58 < TheWeasel> thats a German mistake I think, because "to belong to" and "to be among" is more commonly confused here
2008-01-08 11:59 < TheWeasel> oh, I know the English equivalent
2008-01-08 11:59 < Drunken_Idiot> Back
2008-01-08 11:59 < TheWeasel> it goes something like "X-ville is among one of the largest cities in Y"
2008-01-08 12:00 < bumm13> "among" is "one (or more) in a grouping of many 'things'"
2008-01-08 12:00 < TheWeasel> yup
2008-01-08 12:00 < TheWeasel> the more, the better, apparently
2008-01-08 12:00 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-08 12:00 < bumm13> I had to be careful not to use circular logic there ;)
2008-01-08 12:00 < Drunken_Idiot> Hi bumm13
2008-01-08 12:00 < bumm13> (in definition)
2008-01-08 12:02 < TheWeasel> In German, it makes it seem (because "belong" is the same word as "to be among") like X-ville belonged to a larger entity which in turn was one of the largest cities
2008-01-08 12:02 < TheWeasel> it's a common pet peeve of mine in German
2008-01-08 12:02 < bumm13> ah, understandable
2008-01-08 12:03 < TheWeasel> I spend hours on end correcting just that mistake in place articles on de. But oh well, the things I don't do
2008-01-08 12:07 < NotACow> TheWeasel: misidiom is amusing, yes
2008-01-08 12:07 < NotACow> TheWeasel: it's usually very easy to spot ESL writers on wikipedia, and with some experience you can make a good guess as to what their first language was
2008-01-08 12:07 < TheWeasel> *nod
2008-01-08 12:08 < TheWeasel> Slavic speakers tend to leave out articles en masse
2008-01-08 12:08 < TheWeasel> both "a" and "the"
2008-01-08 12:08 < NotACow> TheWeasel: indian writers have a whole battery of common errors
2008-01-08 12:08 < OvrLrd-Q> english is my second language
2008-01-08 12:08 < TheWeasel> India-related articles strike me as pretty shoddy all too often
2008-01-08 12:08 < TheWeasel> maybe it's because people are overconfident?
2008-01-08 12:09 < NotACow> TheWeasel: indian writers have some sort of major stumbling block with the idea of punctuation
2008-01-08 12:09 < bumm13> cleanup is a constant state of affairs
2008-01-08 12:09 < bumm13> even on articles that aren't completely shoddy
2008-01-08 12:09 < TheWeasel> but many India-related articles are pretty unwikified
2008-01-08 12:09 < bumm13> ah
2008-01-08 12:09 < TheWeasel> more so than from elsewhere
2008-01-08 12:09 < TheWeasel> no wikilinks
2008-01-08 12:09 < bumm13> I've come across that before
2008-01-08 12:10 < bumm13> most of the time, the sets off the "copyright violation" flag :P
2008-01-08 12:10 < TheWeasel> haven't really got an explanation
2008-01-08 12:10 < bumm13> *that sets
2008-01-08 12:10 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-08 12:10 * bumm13 NP: Clash - Straight to Hell (1982)
2008-01-08 12:11 < TheWeasel> but it's not, just an unpunctuated, often pretty POVish (pro) text
2008-01-08 12:11 < bumm13> yeah
2008-01-08 12:12 < TheWeasel> while the articles on Indian states are pretty much invariably very good
2008-01-08 12:12 < Shiroi_Neko> Povish is not a trademark
2008-01-08 12:12 < Ceiling_Cat> teehee
2008-01-08 12:12 < Shiroi_Neko> maybe it sould be
2008-01-08 12:12 < Ceiling_Cat> Student Panel's Decision
2008-01-08 12:12 < Ceiling_Cat> After much debate, the Conservapedia Panel has finished reviewing the Theory of Evolution page. We have determined that the article will remain protected indefinitely, to protect it from inevitable vandalism. We have decided that the article will not be changed in any major way. However, we agree that the article lacks an adequate, concise explanation of the Theory of Evolution. Those who wish to assist in improving this article should submit pr
2008-01-08 12:12 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-08 12:12 < bumm13> it cut off
2008-01-08 12:12 < TheWeasel> lol
2008-01-08 12:13 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Theory_of_Evolution
2008-01-08 12:13 < bumm13> what silliness
2008-01-08 12:13 < Shiroi_Neko> "Those who wish to assist in improving this article should submit pr"
2008-01-08 12:13 < Shiroi_Neko> after that is gone
2008-01-08 12:13 < Ceiling_Cat> proposed changes to the panel for review. We also realize the article is in need of revisions to areas containing problems with grammar and style and appreciate your help correcting this. The Panel apologizes for the long delay in this decision. Thank you for your patience. Please submit any further issues to the panel at User talk:CPanel, and we will do our best to resolve them.
2008-01-08 12:14 < TheWeasel> so the party doesn't have a proper line?
2008-01-08 12:14 < Ceiling_Cat> I mean, it's not that the aritcle is bad, but it's *really* bad
2008-01-08 12:14 < TheWeasel> how counter-revolutionary
2008-01-08 12:14 < Ceiling_Cat> it doesn't once mention DNA, genetics, phenotype, alleles, allele frequency, etc
2008-01-08 12:15 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-08 12:15 * Drunken_Idiot cuddles Ceiling_Cat and Shiroi_Neko
2008-01-08 12:15 < Ceiling_Cat> given that change in allele frequency is the very definition of evolution, that's rather stunning
2008-01-08 12:15 < Shiroi_Neko> luckly conservatives haave their own online encyclopedia that only they can edit
2008-01-08 12:15 < Shiroi_Neko> that way they stay away from us
2008-01-08 12:16 * Ceiling_Cat puts on his wizard robe and hat, and cuddles Drunken_Idiot
2008-01-08 12:16 < TheWeasel> I'll bbl
2008-01-08 12:16 * TheWeasel wants conservatives on Wikipedia
2008-01-08 12:16 < Shiroi_Neko> Pop goes TheWeasel
2008-01-08 12:16 < TheWeasel> What I don't want is people who fit discernible reality to their special beliefs
2008-01-08 12:16 < Mahlzahn> herro
2008-01-08 12:16 < Ceiling_Cat> TheWeasel - that's the defintion of a modern conservative
2008-01-08 12:17 < Fabexplosive> hey Drunken_Idiot
2008-01-08 12:17 < Ceiling_Cat> because reality has a well known liberal bias
2008-01-08 12:17 * TheWeasel has known plenty of left-wingers who did that, but the kind that doesn't usually pop up in mainstream political discussion
2008-01-08 12:17 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat reality is a fake notion people created
2008-01-08 12:17 < TheWeasel> anyway, gotta run
2008-01-08 12:17 < Shiroi_Neko> real life is a lie
2008-01-08 12:17 < Drunken_Idiot> Fabexplosive: Bonsiour how are you
2008-01-08 12:17 < Shiroi_Neko> go go virtuality!
2008-01-08 12:18 < TheWeasel> Bonsieur, that's great
2008-01-08 12:18 < Fabexplosive> Drunken_Idiot: i'm soo tired :(
2008-01-08 12:18 < Fabexplosive> and bonsoir to you :)
2008-01-08 12:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Shiroi_Neko - Bishop Berkeley said that in the 1600s. Samuel Johnson had a very elegant way of refuting him
2008-01-08 12:18 < TheWeasel> croque-monsieur
2008-01-08 12:18 < Fabexplosive> Drunken_Idiot: how are you?
2008-01-08 12:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Tell a stone you don't believe in it, and then kick it
2008-01-08 12:18 < Ceiling_Cat> see what happens.
2008-01-08 12:18 < Drunken_Idiot> Fabexplosive: In lots of pain and slepey will sleep soon.
2008-01-08 12:19 < TheWeasel> you can't see something and not believe in it
2008-01-08 12:19 < Fabexplosive> ah
2008-01-08 12:19 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat it knocks into a suqad car
2008-01-08 12:19 < Shiroi_Neko> and you are jailed
2008-01-08 12:19 < Shiroi_Neko> well
2008-01-08 12:19 < TheWeasel> you can... doubt its hardness because you think it may be different from the similar hard objects you've seen before
2008-01-08 12:19 < TheWeasel> whatever
2008-01-08 12:19 < Shiroi_Neko> I suppose thats only my luck
2008-01-08 12:19 < TheWeasel> bbl
2008-01-08 12:19 < Kyle_> hey guys, I'm looking for a template that basically says that a plot summary doesn't need to detail everything, but no idea where to find it
2008-01-08 12:20 * Ceiling_Cat watches Kyle_
2008-01-08 12:20 * LuciferTiger atches Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-08 12:20 < LuciferTiger> *watches
2008-01-08 12:20 * TheWeasel wonders whether Granny Obama is more bothered or more helped by the media attention
2008-01-08 12:20 < Shiroi_Neko> Kyle_ just blank the article
2008-01-08 12:20 < Ceiling_Cat> kyle - you actually want [[template:plot]]
2008-01-08 12:20 < Shiroi_Neko> and redirect it to a random article
2008-01-08 12:20 < bumm13> Granny?
2008-01-08 12:20 < Shiroi_Neko> how about [[Cheese]] ?
2008-01-08 12:20 * Ceiling_Cat steals LuciferTiger's innocence, puts in a jar, gives it to Shiroi_Neko
2008-01-08 12:20 < bumm13> it's not nice to refer to Oprah that way! ;)
2008-01-08 12:20 < LuciferTiger> [[Tofu]]
2008-01-08 12:21 < TheWeasel> Yea, or is it his aunt?
2008-01-08 12:21 < TheWeasel> the one in Kenya
2008-01-08 12:21 * Shiroi_Neko sells it on ebay
2008-01-08 12:21 < bumm13> no idea
2008-01-08 12:21 < Shiroi_Neko> its his mother
2008-01-08 12:21 * Drunken_Idiot hates Ebay.
2008-01-08 12:21 < Kyle_> Shiroi_Neko: blanking the article means wikipedia has no info, I find no info worse than too much info
2008-01-08 12:21 < Ceiling_Cat> "Okay, think of what little patience I have as, oh I don't know, your virginity. You always thought it would be there until that night Junior year when you were feeling a little down about yourself and your pal Kevin, who just wanted to be friends, well he dropped by. And he brought a copy of 'About Last Night' and a four-pack of Bartel's and James and ba-dow hoo-hoo-hoo it was gone forever. Just like my patience is now."
2008-01-08 12:21 < TheWeasel> I thought his mother was a Kansan
2008-01-08 12:21 < bumm13> Obama proves that hot air wins over substance in politics
2008-01-08 12:21 < Ceiling_Cat> -- Dr. Cox, Scrubs
2008-01-08 12:21 < Shiroi_Neko> Kyle_ wel tell that to [[User:TTN]]
2008-01-08 12:21 < LuciferTiger> lol you can sell anything on ebay. like my long blow out of existence innocence
2008-01-08 12:22 < LuciferTiger> im about as innocent as your friendly serial killing rapist
2008-01-08 12:22 < bumm13> ok....
2008-01-08 12:22 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: I'm convinced Dr. Cox's little rants are the reason for the show's success
2008-01-08 12:22 < Shiroi_Neko> Cyrius I believe Dr. Cox is a mere actor
2008-01-08 12:23 < LuciferTiger> that and JDs musings
2008-01-08 12:23 < Ceiling_Cat> Cyrius - I hope they get a series finale
2008-01-08 12:23 < Shiroi_Neko> LuciferTiger serial killer rapists?
2008-01-08 12:23 < Cyrius> Shiroi_Neko: yes, but that character gets all the clever little bits like that
2008-01-08 12:23 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat not with the writers strike
2008-01-08 12:23 < LuciferTiger> those who rape before or after killing. rather brutally.
2008-01-08 12:24 < Ceiling_Cat> LuciferTiger - what if they're gentle?
2008-01-08 12:24 < LuciferTiger> im not
2008-01-08 12:24 * Ceiling_Cat ducks
2008-01-08 12:24 < Shiroi_Neko> LuciferTiger did you know that the luciver is the name of the Shivan ship that tried purging all life from earth?
2008-01-08 12:24 < LuciferTiger> thats coooolll
2008-01-08 12:24 < LuciferTiger> i didnt know that Shiroi_Neko but i sure am proud of it now
2008-01-08 12:24 < Shiroi_Neko> the plot was foiled by a squadron Hammer Heads
2008-01-08 12:25 < Ceiling_Cat> LuciferTiger - what if the serial killer rapist like to cuddle afterwards?
2008-01-08 12:25 < LuciferTiger> Note to self: Search and Destroy Hammer Heads
2008-01-08 12:25 < Shiroi_Neko> LuciferTiger that ship has been already been blown to smithers
2008-01-08 12:25 < Shiroi_Neko> along with the SOL node
2008-01-08 12:25 < LuciferTiger> with a bunch of bloody mangled mutated amputated limbs?
2008-01-08 12:25 < bumm13> necrocuddlia?
2008-01-08 12:25 < Shiroi_Neko> LuciferTiger some people will uddle anything
2008-01-08 12:25 < LuciferTiger> lol
2008-01-08 12:25 < Shiroi_Neko> necrophlia
2008-01-08 12:25 < LuciferTiger> bumm13: nice one
2008-01-08 12:26 < Mahlzahn> is there some way to put an article on the vandalfighter radar?
2008-01-08 12:26 < LuciferTiger> Shiroi_Neko: From what universe is this tale from?
2008-01-08 12:26 < Shiroi_Neko> FreeSpace
2008-01-08 12:26 * Ceiling_Cat cuddles Shiroi_Neko just to prove his point
2008-01-08 12:26 < Shiroi_Neko> The great war
2008-01-08 12:26 * Shiroi_Neko isnt dead
2008-01-08 12:27 * Ceiling_Cat fixes that
2008-01-08 12:27 * Shiroi_Neko was never alive to begin with
2008-01-08 12:27 < Mahlzahn> its small insidious edits, like changing "English language" to ESpanish language" etc
2008-01-08 12:27 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat I cant be killed
2008-01-08 12:27 < Shiroi_Neko> I was never alive
2008-01-08 12:27 < LuciferTiger> which is a series in itself? or a sub part of a bigger one?
2008-01-08 12:28 < Shiroi_Neko> its a new well then new series
2008-01-08 12:28 < Shiroi_Neko> there was a freespace II
2008-01-08 12:28 < Shiroi_Neko> series was discontinued afterwords
2008-01-08 12:28 < LuciferTiger> ah ok
2008-01-08 12:28 < Shiroi_Neko> it was the best space simulator of the era and probably of all times
2008-01-08 12:28 < Shiroi_Neko> new garbage like homeworld doesnt do justice
2008-01-08 12:28 < Shiroi_Neko> you were a figher pilot
2008-01-08 12:28 < Shiroi_Neko> small and vunrable
2008-01-08 12:29 < Shiroi_Neko> unle in homeworld
2008-01-08 12:29 < Shiroi_Neko> basicaly the mothership is a fortress
2008-01-08 12:30 * Drunken_Idiot goes to bed
2008-01-08 12:32 < Shiroi_Neko> well
2008-01-08 12:32 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QTX7Ue_Lx4
2008-01-08 12:32 < Ceiling_Cat> Have you guys seen that?
2008-01-08 12:32 < Ceiling_Cat> Sean Hannity running for his life from Ron Paul supporters
2008-01-08 12:32 < Ceiling_Cat> It's *GREAT*
2008-01-08 12:33 < Shiroi_Neko> LuciferTiger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT-Al2y2sS8
2008-01-08 12:33 < LuciferTiger> thanks
2008-01-08 12:35 < LuciferTiger> cool ship
2008-01-08 12:36 * LOUD_CAT TURNS UP THE VOLUME
2008-01-08 12:37 < Zach> i like how TTN missed a 3RR violation by 26 minutes
2008-01-08 12:37 * Arria pets LOUD_CAT and Ceiling_Cat and Shiroi_Neko
2008-01-08 12:38 * LOUD_CAT PURRS LOUDLY
2008-01-08 12:38 * Arria wonders why there are no users pretending to be inu
2008-01-08 12:38 < Fabexplosive> it0s loud cat
2008-01-08 12:38 < Fabexplosive> *'it's
2008-01-08 12:38 < Fabexplosive> oy Arria
2008-01-08 12:39 < Arria> oy Fabexplosive
2008-01-08 12:41 < Shiroi_Neko> LuciferTiger yes
2008-01-08 12:45 < Shiroi_Neko> LuciferTiger
2008-01-08 12:45 < LuciferTiger> yeah Shiroi_Neko
2008-01-08 12:45 < Shiroi_Neko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6CLHgyR-QQ
2008-01-08 12:45 < Shiroi_Neko> Sathanas
2008-01-08 12:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Shiroi_Neko - oh god
2008-01-08 12:46 < Ceiling_Cat> that was a HARD mission
2008-01-08 12:47 < Shiroi_Neko> yes
2008-01-08 12:47 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat you a feespace fan?
2008-01-08 12:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Shiroi_Neko - actually, I just realized this is the sequel
2008-01-08 12:48 < Ceiling_Cat> I was thinking it was the original
2008-01-08 12:48 < Ceiling_Cat> I liked the original, but I never played the sequel
2008-01-08 12:48 < Shiroi_Neko> oh
2008-01-08 12:48 < Shiroi_Neko> sequal is great
2008-01-08 12:48 * Ceiling_Cat was thinking of the mission where you had to scan the big ship
2008-01-08 12:49 < Shiroi_Neko> builds well over the origina
2008-01-08 12:49 * LuciferTiger is not a whole lot into games but this seems cool
2008-01-08 12:49 < Shiroi_Neko> that ship was the SVD lucifer
2008-01-08 12:49 < Shiroi_Neko> A lucifer class destroyer
2008-01-08 12:49 < Shiroi_Neko> this is the sathanas
2008-01-08 12:49 < Shiroi_Neko> its like 30 times larger than the lucifer
2008-01-08 12:50 < LuciferTiger> interesting
2008-01-08 12:54 < Shiroi_Neko> there is more
2008-01-08 12:55 < Shiroi_Neko> sivans have a horde of these
2008-01-08 12:55 < Shiroi_Neko> and well if I say more its too much of a spoiler
2008-01-08 12:57 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-08 12:57 < Shiroi_Neko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Mccnjz8L0
2008-01-08 12:59 * LOUD_CAT STRUGGLES TO MAKE OUT WHAT SHIROI_NEKO IS SAYING
2008-01-08 13:01 < Shiroi_Neko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTy6-zK_pCA&feature=related
2008-01-08 13:01 < Shiroi_Neko> thats the bastion Ceiling_Cat on freespace 2
2008-01-08 13:02 * LOUD_CAT SIGNALS SHIROI_NEKO BY POINTING TO HIS EARS
2008-01-08 13:03 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/talkingcat.shtml
2008-01-08 13:03 * NotACow throws a chicken at LOUD_CAT
2008-01-08 13:04 < Ceiling_Cat> My girlfriend told me that apparently where she works (Disneyworld) they have a herd of wild feral turkeys
2008-01-08 13:04 < Ceiling_Cat> the turkeys tend to hang out on the edge of the golf course near the Shades of Green resort
2008-01-08 13:06 < Shiroi_Neko> golfer turkies
2008-01-08 13:06 < Shiroi_Neko> turkey is cowardly like that
2008-01-08 13:06 < centauro> yea :) http://embedmyvideo.com
2008-01-08 13:07 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat freespace is fun
2008-01-08 13:07 < Shiroi_Neko> maybe you should reinstall it
2008-01-08 13:07 < Shiroi_Neko> and we can fly side by side