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2008-01-08 08:11 < TheWeasel> yea, he's awful pretty.
2008-01-08 08:11 < arcimboldo_> Unless some effective dirt is thrown at him at some point.
2008-01-08 08:11 < TheWeasel> SC was his base but also his endpoint
2008-01-08 08:12 < TheWeasel> arcimboldo_: He's teflon so far
2008-01-08 08:12 < TheWeasel> he's such a nice, positive guy that nothing would stick
2008-01-08 08:12 < TheWeasel> no madrassah absurdities
2008-01-08 08:12 < TheWeasel> no second name-calling
2008-01-08 08:12 < arcimboldo_> Or bin Laden launches an attack ... then it might be Giuliani or one of the right-wingers.
2008-01-08 08:12 < Triona> Relatively honest (at least as politicians go)
2008-01-08 08:12 < arcimboldo_> err ... not on the democrats side though
2008-01-08 08:12 < TheWeasel> it would just be mean-spirited to attack Obama's dreams
2008-01-08 08:12 < TheWeasel> with reality
2008-01-08 08:13 < TheWeasel> reality is now defined as "same old"
2008-01-08 08:14 < TheWeasel> and same old is unpopular
2008-01-08 08:16 < TheWeasel> he's obviously not intending to pass any policies.
2008-01-08 08:17 < TheWeasel> just to bring everyone together and have a lovefest
2008-01-08 08:20 < DannyLilithborne> mean-spirited nothing
2008-01-08 08:21 < DannyLilithborne> he's full of it ^_^
2008-01-08 08:21 < NotACow> TheWeasel: dude, if you think obama doesn't have positions you haven't been listening.
2008-01-08 08:21 < NotACow> TheWeasel: then again, i've had more of a reason to pay attention to obama; he was in my state legislature for some years, and has been my senator for a while now.
2008-01-08 08:21 < TheWeasel> he's got a voting record.
2008-01-08 08:22 < TheWeasel> and he was in the Illinois state legislature where his opinion on the war was mighty irrelevant
2008-01-08 08:22 < TheWeasel> he ran no political risk by, say, voting against it in the senate
2008-01-08 08:22 < NotACow> TheWeasel: he talks about policy positions all the time. perhaps you should try listening to his entire statement instead of just the 10 second soundbites the media shovels at you
2008-01-08 08:22 < TheWeasel> his claim to have provided "political leadership against the war" from there is just preposterous
2008-01-08 08:23 < TheWeasel> I did. I thought it was always lightweight
2008-01-08 08:23 < TheWeasel> and broad-sweeping
2008-01-08 08:23 < NotACow> TheWeasel: he has specific, details proposals
2008-01-08 08:23 < TheWeasel> except possibly in some domestic matters of which I don't understand anything
2008-01-08 08:23 < TheWeasel> I've seen the debates
2008-01-08 08:23 * brown_cat holds onto TheWeasel
2008-01-08 08:24 < NotACow> he has specific, detailed proposals for international affairs, too.
2008-01-08 08:24 < TheWeasel> and he was content to overgeneralize when others didn't
2008-01-08 08:24 < NotACow> one of the things i like about obama is that he has gone on record with specific, detailed proposals on his policy points
2008-01-08 08:25 * TheWeasel opposes the pull out of Iraq, so I disagree politically too as well
2008-01-08 08:25 < NotACow> so i find it utterly bizarre that you are going on about how he doesn't have such things. perhaps you're just insane.
2008-01-08 08:25 < TheWeasel> Well, the talks in his campaigns haven't much helped
2008-01-08 08:25 < TheWeasel> I'm saying he swamps it all under bipartisanship sauce.
2008-01-08 08:25 < NotACow> ah, so really what it comes down to is that you don't agree with him, and so you're confabulating reasons not to like him just to bolster your disapproval of him.
2008-01-08 08:26 < NotACow> no wonder you're a wikipedian!
2008-01-08 08:26 < TheWeasel> and I do think he's been fuzzy on many things in the past
2008-01-08 08:26 < NotACow> you would think that, yes
2008-01-08 08:26 < TheWeasel> No, because I support other Democrats standing for the same thing
2008-01-08 08:27 < TheWeasel> (and it might well be the only thing I disagree with him on, I don't know because he never tells me :-) )
2008-01-08 08:28 < justlee> i really don't understand how you can say he is fuzzy
2008-01-08 08:28 < TheWeasel> Richardson for instance has a whole different style
2008-01-08 08:29 < TheWeasel> he's almost too detailed, but it's nice
2008-01-08 08:29 < NotACow> maybe it's the hair
2008-01-08 08:29 < justlee> Ok, you haven't looked at anything but big media coverage of obama
2008-01-08 08:29 < NotACow> his haircut looks kinda fuzzy
2008-01-08 08:30 < TheWeasel> I don't have access to much else, I've read the relevant blogs though of either side of the aisle, as well as the takes of many smaller newspapers
2008-01-08 08:31 < TheWeasel> no, his hair looks great
2008-01-08 08:31 < justlee> When he was campaigning for Illinois senator and asked about what the fed govt needed to do for Illinois, he not only mentioned lock and dams, but knew the problems and relative severity of the problems for each lock
2008-01-08 08:31 < TheWeasel> that's fine. I'd like to see more of that.
2008-01-08 08:31 < NotACow> yeah, but that's just domestic policy. theweasel already said that he doesn't care about domestic policy.
2008-01-08 08:32 < TheWeasel> not that I don't care
2008-01-08 08:32 < NotACow> TheWeasel: then listen to him. he does this all the time.
2008-01-08 08:32 < NotACow> TheWeasel: you just have to listen to more than just the mass media soundbite coverage.
2008-01-08 08:32 < TheWeasel> just fields that I possibly don't understand and possibly do him unjustice criticizing him for
2008-01-08 08:32 < NotACow> the evening news doesn't care that obama knows what's bothering people in nebraska.
2008-01-08 08:33 < NotACow> because there aren't that many people in nebraska watching their program, and even if they are they don't gain that much market share by reporting on that
2008-01-08 08:33 < TheWeasel> I'll read more Nebraskan media in the future.
2008-01-08 08:33 < justlee> Obama also took risks when he named some dams as needing repair more ugently than others. Everyone wants their lock and dam fixed, and no one wants to hear that someone elses needs it more
2008-01-08 08:33 < NotACow> i picked nebraska at random :)
2008-01-08 08:34 < brown_cat> xD
2008-01-08 08:34 < TheWeasel> I figured.
2008-01-08 08:34 < TheWeasel> heh, Richardson's "Here's how it works Colon"
2008-01-08 08:34 < TheWeasel> that's the other extreme
2008-01-08 08:35 < TheWeasel> but it'd be cool to see more of that from Barack, maybe I should write to CNN to carry more of that
2008-01-08 08:35 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-08 08:36 < TheWeasel> but the point stands that the main draw of Obama's campaign is a quasi.spiritual, idealistic one.
2008-01-08 08:37 < TheWeasel> that at times comes close to losing bearing on political reality
2008-01-08 08:37 < NotACow> it does not
2008-01-08 08:37 < TheWeasel> besides the lack of beef which may be my fallacious sampling
2008-01-08 08:38 < NotACow> i'll agree that the CNN Headline soundbite coverage may lose bearing on political reality
2008-01-08 08:39 < justlee> He believes in the constitution and the ability of the American people to work to get things done. I know that is a bit old fashioned, but I think we could use more of that
2008-01-08 08:39 < TheWeasel> is that intentional?
2008-01-08 08:39 < arcimboldo_> http://www.visionarylead.org/sp_main.htm
2008-01-08 08:39 < TheWeasel> those two are completely uncontroversial
2008-01-08 08:40 < TheWeasel> but he sometimes makes it seem like political opponents don't bite when given the chance, or don't even really exist with the proper sunny attitude
2008-01-08 08:40 < TheWeasel> and that differences are a wrong thing
2008-01-08 08:40 < justlee> Well, honestly attempts at biting him have broken opponents teeth
2008-01-08 08:41 < TheWeasel> right now they're doing what oil does on teflon, leaving no trace.
2008-01-08 08:41 < NotACow> TheWeasel: you're dissing him for refusing to descend into the fray?
2008-01-08 08:41 < justlee> and in the legislatures he has been in, he has focused more on getting wide support and compromise to get what is possible done
2008-01-08 08:41 < justlee> rather than engaging in nastiness
2008-01-08 08:41 < TheWeasel> it's not going to be a realistic prospect to promise to continue like that
2008-01-08 08:42 < NotACow> TheWeasel: drama queen. go back to wikipedia, they like your style of play there.
2008-01-08 08:42 < TheWeasel> with the way the GOP works, it will result in nothing getting done
2008-01-08 08:42 < TheWeasel> we're having a nice Democratic congress
2008-01-08 08:42 < TheWeasel> which is getting next to zero done
2008-01-08 08:42 < NotACow> TheWeasel: dude, he's proven that he can work with republicans.
2008-01-08 08:42 < justlee> You sound like the idiots who said it was unrealistic to proposed videotaping interrogations when the police oppose it
2008-01-08 08:43 < justlee> they said it could not be done and was not reasonable to try
2008-01-08 08:43 < justlee> He worked with all sides and now we have videotaped interrogations in Illinois
2008-01-08 08:43 * TheWeasel is all for transparency in government, of course police wants to be alone with their power :-)
2008-01-08 08:44 < arcimboldo_> anyhow, Hillary has gone so wishiwashi that I was glad Obama won.
2008-01-08 08:45 < TheWeasel> If he wants a Democratic agenda passed against relentless Republican filibustering, he won't be able to abstain from Johnson-style politics.
2008-01-08 08:45 < TheWeasel> and I doubt he's capable of that.
2008-01-08 08:45 < TheWeasel> but maybe that's just me.
2008-01-08 08:45 < justlee> I think he has a better way
2008-01-08 08:47 < TheWeasel> let's see what will remain from the incoming compromises.
2008-01-08 08:47 < justlee> Hell, the man is experienced in the Illinois political scene and yet we have seen no evidence that he is corrupt, yet he gets things done
2008-01-08 08:47 < arcimboldo_> Hillary is as undistinguishable as Kerry was four years ago ...
2008-01-08 08:47 < justlee> We have not seen that since Lincoln
2008-01-08 08:48 < arcimboldo_> and Howie Dean isn't on the ballot ...
2008-01-08 08:48 < TheWeasel> Hillary has a far better name, and she's not from Massachusetts.
2008-01-08 08:48 < TheWeasel> I'm not supporting Hillary
2008-01-08 08:48 < bainer> arcimboldo_: he's still travelling to all those states
2008-01-08 08:48 < TheWeasel> but, yea, she's quite popular over here, so many people do
2008-01-08 08:48 < arcimboldo_> Is he supporting someone particular?
2008-01-08 08:50 * The359 votes for Perot
2008-01-08 08:50 * TheWeasel votes for Pedro
2008-01-08 08:51 < arcimboldo_> Daniel Imperato is a nice name for a politician
2008-01-08 08:51 < TheWeasel> http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2007/10/01/tomo/
2008-01-08 08:53 < TheWeasel> "The primaries are here, and no one makes sense (of them like CNN.)"
2008-01-08 08:53 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-08 08:56 < NotACow> obama won dixville notch
2008-01-08 08:56 < NotACow> as did mccain
2008-01-08 08:56 < NotACow> hillary didn't even get any votes in dixville notch
2008-01-08 08:57 < The359> is there a joke in there?
2008-01-08 08:57 < TheWeasel> the webcomic?
2008-01-08 08:58 < TheWeasel> No, just a description of what compromise in Washington looks like
2008-01-08 08:58 < TheWeasel> Need lunch
2008-01-08 08:59 < Tony_Sidaway> NotACow: you'll have to slow down a bit. What does "dixieville notch" mean?
2008-01-08 08:59 < TheWeasel> it's one of the early voting villages in NH
2008-01-08 09:00 < Tony_Sidaway> TheWeasel: really? A community in New Hampshire is named after Mr Dixon, or does the name precede Mason and Dixon's surveying efforts?
2008-01-08 09:00 < TheWeasel> no idea
2008-01-08 09:00 < arcimboldo_> In wonder what happens if one of the 10 voters in such town just sleeps through and votes the next afternoon.
2008-01-08 09:01 < TheWeasel> then the sample will be jolly small :-D
2008-01-08 09:01 < TheWeasel> Wes Clark won in Dixville Notch in 2004
2008-01-08 09:01 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-08 09:02 < Tony_Sidaway> Apropos nothing, didn't Karmafist have a political position in New Hampshire? Or was it another of those quaint former colonies or commonwealths?
2008-01-08 09:03 < NotACow> Tony_Sidaway: dixville notch
2008-01-08 09:03 < NotACow> Tony_Sidaway: traditionally the first precinct in NH to report.
2008-01-08 09:03 < Tony_Sidaway> is New Hampshire the one where they hold the primary as a sort of public cheerleading match, resembling a particularly harmonious debate on WT:V ?
2008-01-08 09:03 < TheWeasel> hah, in Iowa it looked like a mass dodgeball game
2008-01-08 09:04 < Tony_Sidaway> Doc_glasgow: ola mi amigo! Como Estas?
2008-01-08 09:04 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-08 09:04 < Tony_Sidaway> TheWeasel: ah I remember now, I was thinking of the Iowa Caucus
2008-01-08 09:04 < Dtobias> I think the Libertarian Party candidate once won the Dixville Notch vote in one of the general elections.
2008-01-08 09:04 < Doc_glasgow> Je non sprechen the lingo Espanyol
2008-01-08 09:05 < Tony_Sidaway> Dixievill Notch, sounds like Gobblers Knob.
2008-01-08 09:05 < Doc_glasgow> My kids know more spanish from watching Dra the Explora, hola!
2008-01-08 09:05 < Dtobias> Parlez vous English?
2008-01-08 09:05 < arcimboldo_> Do they have Dixieville chicks?
2008-01-08 09:05 < Tony_Sidaway> Doc_glasgow: es machs nichts. Ego sum homo sine lengvon.
2008-01-08 09:06 < Dtobias> Hee hee... he called himself "homo".
2008-01-08 09:06 < Doc_glasgow> lengvon? The rest I get
2008-01-08 09:06 < NotACow> NO MO HOMO
2008-01-08 09:06 < Tony_Sidaway> hur hur!
2008-01-08 09:06 < TheWeasel> up north there are two consecutive small municipalities called Klixbull and Klanxbull
2008-01-08 09:06 < Dtobias> No Moo.
2008-01-08 09:07 < NotACow> GO FORTH AND MOO NO MORE
2008-01-08 09:07 < Drunken_Idiot> NotACow: Hugs
2008-01-08 09:07 < NotACow> good morning, Drunken_Idiot
2008-01-08 09:07 < Dtobias> I have to go first, second, and third before I can go forth.
2008-01-08 09:07 < Drunken_Idiot> Morning to you to lady. > Bows<.
2008-01-08 09:07 < TheWeasel> What's a Forth to do without a Firth?
2008-01-08 09:07 < Doc_glasgow> Wir benötigen nicht Kühe mit linguistischer Fähigkeit
2008-01-08 09:07 < Dtobias> Who's on first?
2008-01-08 09:07 < Tony_Sidaway> Doc_glasgow: I improvised. From lingua, and possibly came to me via esperanto.
2008-01-08 09:07 < NotACow> you can't go second
2008-01-08 09:07 < NotACow> second doesn't fit in five letters
2008-01-08 09:08 < justlee> Why is a Drunken_Idiot hugging my gf?
2008-01-08 09:08 < Drunken_Idiot> Doc_glasgow translation >> We benà term not Kà ¶ ¼ he Fà with linguistic capability
2008-01-08 09:08 < Tony_Sidaway> justlee: this is one of life's mysteries. Hug her harder.
2008-01-08 09:09 < Drunken_Idiot> Mark_Ryan! :*
2008-01-08 09:09 < TheWeasel> Still need lunch (mistakenly pronounced French)
2008-01-08 09:09 < Mark_Ryan> hi Drunken_Idiot
2008-01-08 09:09 < Doc_glasgow> Drunken_Idiot: We don't need cows with linguistic abiluty
2008-01-08 09:09 < NotACow> TheWeasel: have some gach
2008-01-08 09:09 < Drunken_Idiot> Doc_glasgow: Okay *Ability*
2008-01-08 09:09 < Drunken_Idiot> :)
2008-01-08 09:10 < TheWeasel> Gach isn't even in Wikipedia
2008-01-08 09:10 < TheWeasel> I've only started eating things that aren't in Wikipedia since people have been so hard on recipes
2008-01-08 09:10 < Tony_Sidaway> <Drunken_Idiot>: Matt Damon! :*
2008-01-08 09:10 < Tony_Sidaway> Gach? Was is das Gach?
2008-01-08 09:11 < Alaru> I'm Mr. T and I'm a Night Elf Mohawk.
2008-01-08 09:11 < Warpath> Winona ryder! :*
2008-01-08 09:11 < Tony_Sidaway> Ah my German is even worse than my Englandish.
2008-01-08 09:11 * TheWeasel thinks something vaguely Asian will do
2008-01-08 09:11 * Drunken_Idiot trying something new with chips brb.
2008-01-08 09:12 < Tony_Sidaway> this is a mystery to me: French people love it when English people try to speak French. Germans seems to hate it when you perform pretty much the same mangling of their own language.
2008-01-08 09:12 < TheWeasel> not at all
2008-01-08 09:12 < TheWeasel> we're just not a very friendly people
2008-01-08 09:12 < Tony_Sidaway> A matter of national character, or is my German simply more toxic than the ultimate joke?
2008-01-08 09:12 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-08 09:12 < TheWeasel> your German is fine
2008-01-08 09:12 < TheWeasel> I'm tired, excuse me
2008-01-08 09:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Mein Hund hat keine Nase.
2008-01-08 09:12 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-08 09:13 < TheWeasel> Und wie riecht er?
2008-01-08 09:13 < justlee> How does he smell?
2008-01-08 09:13 < Tony_Sidaway> TheWeasel: I don't know any German. This is what worries me.
2008-01-08 09:13 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-08 09:13 < TheWeasel> you have to say "Furchtbar!"
2008-01-08 09:13 < TheWeasel> :-P
2008-01-08 09:13 < JerseyDevil86> die TheWeasel die
2008-01-08 09:13 < DannyLilithborne> Spanish speakers don't care
2008-01-08 09:13 < Tony_Sidaway> A special prize for correct pronunciation of the umlaut.
2008-01-08 09:13 < DannyLilithborne> they just make fun of you behind your back
2008-01-08 09:13 < TheWeasel> "my dog hasn't got a nose." "and how does it smell then?" "Terribly."
2008-01-08 09:14 < Drunken_Idiot> Holy ... my principle sent me his family pictures
2008-01-08 09:14 < Drunken_Idiot> Thats weird
2008-01-08 09:14 < DannyLilithborne> pinches gringos
2008-01-08 09:14 < TheWeasel> the only truly hard umlaut is ü
2008-01-08 09:14 < TheWeasel> ch in general is much harder
2008-01-08 09:14 < DannyLilithborne> the only truly hard umlaut is the rock umlaut
2008-01-08 09:14 < Tony_Sidaway> Spanish speakers can't afford to care. Mexican, Venezuelan, Cuban, Andaluzian, Castilian, it's just a whole bunch of dialects, perhaps even more so than British dialects.
2008-01-08 09:14 < TheWeasel> Tötälly.
2008-01-08 09:15 < DannyLilithborne> Röck ön düde
2008-01-08 09:15 < Tony_Sidaway> d00d
2008-01-08 09:15 < DannyLilithborne> heh @ Tony
2008-01-08 09:15 < TheWeasel> When Swiss people get interviewed on German television, they use subtitles
2008-01-08 09:15 < Tony_Sidaway> I stepped in a d00d the other day
2008-01-08 09:16 < TheWeasel> kind of like truly strong Yorkshire or Scottish dialects
2008-01-08 09:16 < DannyLilithborne> I don't know how Spanish speakers can tell the difference
2008-01-08 09:16 < TheWeasel> times 37.
2008-01-08 09:16 < DannyLilithborne> when they get excited it's just a long string of vowels
2008-01-08 09:16 < Tony_Sidaway> TheWeasel: for Rab C Nesbitte, a Scottish comedy set in Govan, Glasgow, I always needed the subtitles provided by BBC teletext to follow the dialog.
2008-01-08 09:17 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-08 09:17 < TheWeasel> I have the same problem in French, I just don't know where words end and start.
2008-01-08 09:17 < Doc_glasgow> Tony_Sidaway: what you need is the German joke of the day http://www.german-jokes.com/jokes/barjoke.html
2008-01-08 09:17 < TheWeasel> that's why understanding French is by far my weakest part
2008-01-08 09:18 < zocky> krutzi
2008-01-08 09:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Doc_glasgow: no, I rely on mein Hund. it has never failed me. Positively the last joke you need to tell a German.
2008-01-08 09:18 < DannyLilithborne> I learned German from Wolfenstein 3D
2008-01-08 09:18 * TheWeasel dies
2008-01-08 09:18 < TheWeasel> Who the hell is Slotermeyer, anyway?
2008-01-08 09:18 < DannyLilithborne> Die Allied Schweindhund ^_^
2008-01-08 09:19 < Alaru> Oh god 4chan is attacking wikipedia
2008-01-08 09:19 < TheWeasel> I don't know how they came across the spelling
2008-01-08 09:19 < TheWeasel> it's not phonetical
2008-01-08 09:19 < TheWeasel> like "Flipperwaldt"
2008-01-08 09:19 < Tony_Sidaway> What is French for "my weakest part?"
2008-01-08 09:19 < TheWeasel> in the Funniest Joke In The World
2008-01-08 09:20 < Alaru> Mein doin peineis.
2008-01-08 09:20 < Tony_Sidaway> Slotermeyer is a character in Hogan's heroes, n'est-ca pas?
2008-01-08 09:20 < DannyLilithborne> are they mad that we took away the Pedobear redirect again?
2008-01-08 09:20 < Doc_glasgow> Für die Liebe des Vaterlands, why do we have this? [[East German jokes]]????
2008-01-08 09:20 < Alaru> Probably
2008-01-08 09:21 < OvrLrd-Q> lol pedobear
2008-01-08 09:21 < Tony_Sidaway> Doc_glasgow: because Osties are as funny in Germany as Scots are in England!
2008-01-08 09:21 < Tony_Sidaway> Ooops.
2008-01-08 09:21 < zocky> Doc_glasgow, should be [[East German humour]] or something
2008-01-08 09:21 < Doc_glasgow> zocky: it should be deleted
2008-01-08 09:21 < Doc_glasgow> afding now
2008-01-08 09:21 < TheWeasel> East Germans have humour?
2008-01-08 09:21 < TheWeasel> :-P
2008-01-08 09:21 < zocky> Doc_glasgow, the individula jokes, probably
2008-01-08 09:21 < zocky> we have articles for other national humours
2008-01-08 09:22 < Doc_glasgow> it is utterly unreferenced
2008-01-08 09:22 < zocky> so?
2008-01-08 09:22 < zocky> 3/4 of articles are utterly unreferenced
2008-01-08 09:22 < Alaru> There's no such thing as a Night Elf Mohawk.
2008-01-08 09:22 < TheWeasel> the jokes that are included are very common.
2008-01-08 09:22 < Shiroi_Neko> hi
2008-01-08 09:23 < zocky> Mantawitz (Manta joke): The male counterpart to the blonde is the Mantafahrer, the male driver of an Opel Manta, who is dull, lower class, macho, infatuated with his car and his blonde hairdresser girl friend, and often exceedingly proud and possessive about things that most people would consider embarrassing. Popular in the 1980s.
2008-01-08 09:23 < zocky> from [[German humour]]
2008-01-08 09:24 < TheWeasel> "Hey Manni, I bought a dictionary?" "Awesome, Uwe, let's build it in."
2008-01-08 09:24 < quanticle|away> zocky: That phenomenon wasn't just confined to Germany during the '80s
2008-01-08 09:24 < TheWeasel> the first not being a question but an exclamation
2008-01-08 09:24 < TheWeasel> Manta was the affordable sports car
2008-01-08 09:25 < zocky> it was the affordable car that looked sort of like a sports car
2008-01-08 09:25 < TheWeasel> yep
2008-01-08 09:25 < nazgjunk> manta is a close-to-the-ground flying thing in unreal tournament.
2008-01-08 09:25 < nazgjunk> :D
2008-01-08 09:25 < zocky> fiat 132 and Å¡koda rapid were the alternatives
2008-01-08 09:25 < quanticle> zocky: So it was like a Hyundai Tiburon
2008-01-08 09:26 < arcimboldo_> Don't the French start feeling a bit embarrassed with their president?
2008-01-08 09:26 < nazgjunk> one would expect as much
2008-01-08 09:26 < nazgjunk> i discussed that with my mother today, actually
2008-01-08 09:26 < quanticle> arcimboldo_: Really, I'm rather happy for them. The French president has achieved two of the greatest dreams of men everywhere. Get elected president and marry a supermodel
2008-01-08 09:27 < TheWeasel> eh, personal stuff
2008-01-08 09:27 < TheWeasel> It shouldn't matter
2008-01-08 09:27 < nazgjunk> his ex wife is one of the reasons he got elected in the first place
2008-01-08 09:27 < arcimboldo_> He behaves more like a little child at the moment ...
2008-01-08 09:27 < quanticle> TheWeasel: It shouldn't matter any more than Clinton's dalliances
2008-01-08 09:27 < TheWeasel> I agree
2008-01-08 09:27 < nazgjunk> keke.
2008-01-08 09:27 < zocky> it matters much less than clinton's escapades
2008-01-08 09:28 < TheWeasel> My family watched Clinton back in the day and found the whole impeachment process utterly bizarre
2008-01-08 09:28 < quanticle> zocky: Its true. As I was saying, I'm rather happy for the guy.
2008-01-08 09:28 < zocky> the french should rather be embarrassed by his simplistic politics
2008-01-08 09:28 < quanticle> TheWeasel: You weren't the only one
2008-01-08 09:28 < arcimboldo_> Clinton wouldn't have gone for holiday in Egypt with Monica.
2008-01-08 09:28 < TheWeasel> it looked like he'd given Monica nuke passwords in return or something
2008-01-08 09:28 < quanticle> arcimboldo_: Clinton also didn't divorce his wife before having an affair...
2008-01-08 09:29 < quanticle> arcimboldo_: I don't care what he does on his personal time as long as it doesn't affect matters of state
2008-01-08 09:29 < Tony_Sidaway> I wouldn't describe the American political landscape as "simplistic". Someone who can master it, as Clinton did, is a great politician.
2008-01-08 09:29 < TheWeasel> Is it an affair if you start it after the divorce?
2008-01-08 09:29 < zocky> also, clinton was involved in a great crime: having sex while american
2008-01-08 09:29 < zocky> it's much less of a gigantic problem in france
2008-01-08 09:29 < Tony_Sidaway> Same goes for Dubya. Whatever I think of them they're pretty talented people.
2008-01-08 09:29 < quanticle> Texou: No
2008-01-08 09:29 < quanticle> zocky: Heh
2008-01-08 09:29 < arcimboldo_> Three public partners in such a short period of time - his wife, Khadafi, the supermodel ...
2008-01-08 09:30 < TheWeasel> the American political landscape is pretty damn complex, really
2008-01-08 09:30 < Tony_Sidaway> it isn't sex if you come on her dress.
2008-01-08 09:30 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: Of all the words I'd use to describe Dubya, talented is not one of them
2008-01-08 09:30 < TheWeasel> and no incoming administration will ever underestimate that
2008-01-08 09:30 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle: two terms is talent enough
2008-01-08 09:30 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: His challengers were incompetent
2008-01-08 09:31 < Tony_Sidaway> Excuses
2008-01-08 09:31 < zocky> bush is definitely talented for something
2008-01-08 09:31 < TheWeasel> Dubya has enormous talent for the things he did for the home audience.
2008-01-08 09:31 < quanticle> And he had the Supreme Court on his side
2008-01-08 09:31 < Doc_glasgow> [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/East German jokes]]
2008-01-08 09:31 < quanticle> TheWeasel: He hasn't done anything for the home audience
2008-01-08 09:31 < TheWeasel> Doc_glasgow: Merge!
2008-01-08 09:31 < quanticle> Doc_glasgow: With German jokes?
2008-01-08 09:31 < TheWeasel> He has. Standing on aircraft carriers and such.
2008-01-08 09:31 < Tony_Sidaway> The Supreme Court has a memory for procedure. It knows when it's not a good idea to question the democratic process that put JFK in the White House.
2008-01-08 09:32 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: True enough
2008-01-08 09:32 < Doc_glasgow> TheWeasel: hehe - like unification? That would be fine, but there's nothing of value to merge
2008-01-08 09:32 < TheWeasel> And being a public griever with an enormous amount of appeal to emotion
2008-01-08 09:32 < TheWeasel> okay
2008-01-08 09:32 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-08 09:32 < Tony_Sidaway> Shit, does anybody know why ALT-S doesn't always work in wmii?
2008-01-08 09:32 < Doc_glasgow> TheWeasel: maybe the merger should be to [[EU Jokes]] now
2008-01-08 09:32 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: What is wmii?
2008-01-08 09:32 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-01-08 09:32 < TheWeasel> EU jokes are quite distinct from the jokes of member states!
2008-01-08 09:33 < zocky> east germany is not a member state anyway
2008-01-08 09:33 < TheWeasel> the EU is not a government, it's a supra-national treaty!
2008-01-08 09:33 < Doc_glasgow> TheWeasel: no, they are being standardised under directive 2008/3442fg/34d(iii)
2008-01-08 09:33 < quanticle> So does that mean we can call you EUians, like you call us USians?
2008-01-08 09:33 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle: it's this nice window manager I'm trying out. Tiling, intelligent, but I'm still on the learning curve.
2008-01-08 09:33 < TheWeasel> Doc_glasgow: If they're within 2 mm of Size 6.2, yes
2008-01-08 09:33 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle: we will stop calling you USAians if you don't start calling us EUians! :)
2008-01-08 09:34 < zocky> TheWeasel, EU is a very indirectly elected directorate, but that's a whole different story
2008-01-08 09:34 * TheWeasel has never called anyone USian
2008-01-08 09:34 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle: merkins is a better word anyway :p
2008-01-08 09:34 < Doc_glasgow> TheWeasel: haven't you heard of the "Single European Humour Act"
2008-01-08 09:34 < TheWeasel> the EU itself is just a body that seeks more integration, has a few sub-entities
2008-01-08 09:34 < kenlyric> find me another country in North and South America with "America" in the name and we'll fight over the name "American"
2008-01-08 09:35 < Tony_Sidaway> Ah, the idea of Scots and Germans working to the same standard of humor is quite perplexing.
2008-01-08 09:35 < kenlyric> assuming, of course, they want it.
2008-01-08 09:35 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: The idea of Irish and British working towards the same humour standard is even more perplexing
2008-01-08 09:35 < TheWeasel> the UN should repudiate the Funniest Joke
2008-01-08 09:35 < zocky> isn't nicaragua or one of them called the central-american republic of something?
2008-01-08 09:35 < Tony_Sidaway> They're both witty in their own way but Billy Connolly has the edge over that funny little guy with the toothbrush mustache, wotsisname/
2008-01-08 09:36 < kenlyric> zocky: guess we need to invade.
2008-01-08 09:36 < zocky> kenlyric, it's not as if it requires an excuse
2008-01-08 09:36 < quanticle> zocky: Don't worry, we'll bomb that part of the name away
2008-01-08 09:36 < Tony_Sidaway> Apparently American is really Colombia.
2008-01-08 09:36 < arcimboldo_> Perhaps you mean the Central African Republic
2008-01-08 09:36 < kenlyric> they can be central americans.
2008-01-08 09:36 < Shiroi_Neko> Tony_Sidaway you awake?
2008-01-08 09:36 < TheWeasel> What's Nicaraguan humor like? "Why did Oliver North cross the road?"
2008-01-08 09:37 < Shiroi_Neko> :D
2008-01-08 09:37 < TheWeasel> Or something
2008-01-08 09:37 < Shiroi_Neko> or I should have asked weather or not you busy?
2008-01-08 09:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Shiroi_Neko: for you, yes, my dear.
2008-01-08 09:37 < Shiroi_Neko> aw
2008-01-08 09:37 < Shiroi_Neko> <3
2008-01-08 09:37 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Oliver crossed the road to get to America of course
2008-01-08 09:37 < Shiroi_Neko> I am no deer
2008-01-08 09:37 < quanticle> She is a cat
2008-01-08 09:37 < TheWeasel> ...because the Iranian embassy was on the other side
2008-01-08 09:37 < TheWeasel> or whatever
2008-01-08 09:37 < kenlyric> why did oliver north cross the road?
2008-01-08 09:37 < kenlyric> 9/11
2008-01-08 09:38 < Lycurgus> yes, I have seen the light. By virtue of their inability to federate on an appropriate scale, no other people *deserve* to be called Americans.
2008-01-08 09:38 < kenlyric> it's the punchline of ALL political jokes!
2008-01-08 09:38 < quanticle> kenlyric: You mean, "Why did Guiliani cross the road"
2008-01-08 09:38 < zocky> ah, they just have "america central" on their CoA
2008-01-08 09:38 < kenlyric> Lycurgus: or the fact that they didn't include america in their name?
2008-01-08 09:38 < zocky> there's "República Oriental del Uruguay" though
2008-01-08 09:38 < quanticle> kenlyric: That's the punchline of all Guiliani jokes
2008-01-08 09:38 < Shiroi_Neko> so who is the republican candidate and democrat candidate as it appears?
2008-01-08 09:38 < Shiroi_Neko> Guiliani is a joke
2008-01-08 09:38 < kenlyric> Shiroi_Neko: feb 5
2008-01-08 09:38 < arcimboldo_> Giuliani
2008-01-08 09:38 < Lycurgus> further, it's a silly inability to differentiate this special case incident upon the history of the western hemisphere
2008-01-08 09:39 < Shiroi_Neko> Did you know you can write Guiliani's full name using the letters o 9/11?
2008-01-08 09:39 < TheWeasel> zocky: Uruguay is the only South American country in the Middle East!
2008-01-08 09:39 < arcimboldo_> like the G?
2008-01-08 09:39 < Lycurgus> s/inciden/peculiar to/
2008-01-08 09:39 < Shiroi_Neko> 9 looks like a g
2008-01-08 09:39 < Lycurgus> t
2008-01-08 09:39 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Where do you get the G from?
2008-01-08 09:39 < zocky> TheWeasel, sshhhh.... don't tell americans "oriental" doesn't equal china :)
2008-01-08 09:39 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle you substitute 9 on the right font for G
2008-01-08 09:39 < TheWeasel> Oriental sounds like Oil.
2008-01-08 09:39 < TheWeasel> Hmm...oil.
2008-01-08 09:40 < kenlyric> Oil!
2008-01-08 09:40 < Shiroi_Neko> oriental sounds like a porn dvd title
2008-01-08 09:40 < quanticle> Clearly we need to invade
2008-01-08 09:40 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle we need to invade DC
2008-01-08 09:40 < Shiroi_Neko> they found oil under the congress
2008-01-08 09:40 < kenlyric> good luck with that.
2008-01-08 09:40 < kenlyric> the british did OK
2008-01-08 09:40 < Lycurgus> and ftr there was a central american republic in the 19th century but it fell apart after a few years
2008-01-08 09:40 < Shiroi_Neko> would they drill the middle of the pentagon had there been oil there?
2008-01-08 09:40 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: We need to invade Mars. I hear Osama's hanging out there
2008-01-08 09:40 < TheWeasel> They found oil in Mitt Romney's hair.
2008-01-08 09:40 < kenlyric> it hasn't been tried in many years.
2008-01-08 09:40 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle no
2008-01-08 09:40 < Shiroi_Neko> not even martian rovers want him
2008-01-08 09:41 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle I heard he is on the moon
2008-01-08 09:41 < Shiroi_Neko> peeing or attempting to pee on the american flag
2008-01-08 09:41 < zocky> you should really invade dominica, or antigua or something
2008-01-08 09:41 < Shiroi_Neko> which would decompress him :d
2008-01-08 09:41 < Lycurgus> also bolivar intended a federal state for all of latin america but it didn't happen as the elites in those countries preferred to look to europe
2008-01-08 09:41 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Unfortunately the oil in Romney's hair was contaminated by his natural sliminess, and was unusable
2008-01-08 09:41 < zocky> to augment the glory of the invasion of grenada
2008-01-08 09:42 < kenlyric> Lycurgus: well, when they get around to it, they can fight us over American.
2008-01-08 09:42 < quanticle> zocky: Didn't we invade Haiti, too?
2008-01-08 09:42 < Shiroi_Neko> Did you know that they pump oil in holywood?
2008-01-08 09:42 < zocky> quanticle, more than once
2008-01-08 09:42 < Shiroi_Neko> and not out of the hair of the stars
2008-01-08 09:42 < zocky> but, compared to grenada, haiti is a big strong country
2008-01-08 09:42 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Yep. Not much oil left there though...
2008-01-08 09:42 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle yea well
2008-01-08 09:42 < Shiroi_Neko> stars drink oil these days
2008-01-08 09:42 < Shiroi_Neko> oil is more expensie than wine
2008-01-08 09:42 < quanticle> zocky: The mobs in Haiti at least know how to kill
2008-01-08 09:43 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle knowing to kill isnt the issue
2008-01-08 09:43 < Shiroi_Neko> they know how to kill efficenty
2008-01-08 09:43 < Shiroi_Neko> anyone knows how to kill
2008-01-08 09:43 < TheWeasel> Haiti has a couple too many people who know how to kill
2008-01-08 09:43 < TheWeasel> since 1812
2008-01-08 09:43 < Lycurgus> "we"? I didn't invade anyplace, have no solidarity with any that did.
2008-01-08 09:43 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Killing without guns is a lot harder than it looks
2008-01-08 09:43 < kenlyric> question: do you call people from mexico "USians" too?
2008-01-08 09:43 < zocky> good thing reagan stopped the communists in grenada, since they were about to invade the rest of the caribbean or something
2008-01-08 09:43 * TheWeasel has never called anyone USians
2008-01-08 09:43 < quanticle> kenlyric: Of course not. They're mexicans
2008-01-08 09:44 < quanticle> kenlyric: Or cheap labor
2008-01-08 09:44 < kenlyric> quanticle: but they are from the United States of Mexico.
2008-01-08 09:44 < zocky> what's wrong with USians, anyway?
2008-01-08 09:44 < zocky> you can call me SIian or EUian or whatever all you want
2008-01-08 09:44 < TheWeasel> zocky: Domino theory. Can't afford communism in St Vincent and the Grenadines
2008-01-08 09:44 < kenlyric> zocky: it's horribly obtuse
2008-01-08 09:45 < zocky> TheWeasel, yeah, not to mention antigua
2008-01-08 09:46 < zocky> kenlyric, it's an insignificant abbreviation that's useful for disambiguation occasionally
2008-01-08 09:46 < zocky> plus it rhymes nicely with "UKians"
2008-01-08 09:46 < kenlyric> you don't generally include classifications in people names. people from the Republic of Congo aren't called Republicans.
2008-01-08 09:46 < uberpenguin> sup
2008-01-08 09:46 < kenlyric> zocky: which nobody in their right mind uses either.
2008-01-08 09:47 < zocky> kenlyric, let me repeat: it's insignificant, and usually used as a short way to type "americans". getting all pissy about it makes americans look much worse than calling them USians does
2008-01-08 09:47 < Lycurgus> yes but congolese could be from either country
2008-01-08 09:47 < kenlyric> pissy?
2008-01-08 09:47 < Lycurgus> skank?
2008-01-08 09:47 < TheWeasel> DRCians
2008-01-08 09:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Hooray!
2008-01-08 09:48 < arcimboldo_> That's like the Dominicans who could be from either country.
2008-01-08 09:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Someone followed the photo submission guidelines correctly!
2008-01-08 09:48 * Ceiling_Cat does his happy dance
2008-01-08 09:48 < zocky> TheWeasel, are you a BRDian or a FRGian?
2008-01-08 09:48 < TheWeasel> Both
2008-01-08 09:49 < TheWeasel> just that the abbreviation is obsolete now
2008-01-08 09:49 < zocky> is it?
2008-01-08 09:49 < TheWeasel> yea, most have switched to GER
2008-01-08 09:49 < zocky> aren't you still the federal republic of germany?
2008-01-08 09:49 < TheWeasel> or D
2008-01-08 09:49 < zocky> yeah, for ISO purposes and such
2008-01-08 09:49 < TheWeasel> yea, but the mention of the form of government has become obsolete in abbreviations
2008-01-08 09:49 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-08 09:49 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-08 09:50 < Lycurgus> well prolly anything will work except something like "fat ass stupid ignorant skank" which is impolite.
2008-01-08 09:51 * arcimboldo_ 's gonna book his trip to the DPRC soon.
2008-01-08 09:51 < TheWeasel> Really?
2008-01-08 09:51 < TheWeasel> heh, fun
2008-01-08 09:51 < zocky> DPRK you mean?
2008-01-08 09:51 < arcimboldo_> Sorry DPRK
2008-01-08 09:51 < TheWeasel> Yea, better not get it wrong
2008-01-08 09:51 < zocky> i was wondering if there was any other DPR left
2008-01-08 09:52 < TheWeasel> Vietnam?
2008-01-08 09:52 < arcimboldo_> There's the Hyundai cooperation so you can visit some places in the North without complication.
2008-01-08 09:52 < TheWeasel> no, alright
2008-01-08 09:52 < arcimboldo_> Kaesong or Mr. Kumgang.
2008-01-08 09:52 < Lycurgus> vn is SPR
2008-01-08 09:52 < Lycurgus> or just SRVN
2008-01-08 09:52 < TheWeasel> Laos
2008-01-08 09:52 < TheWeasel> that's the one
2008-01-08 09:53 < Ceiling_Cat> DING
2008-01-08 09:53 < Ceiling_Cat> [[The Essentials (band)]]
2008-01-08 09:53 < arcimboldo_> There used to be a lot of African countries whose radio stations were called "La Voix de la Revolution".
2008-01-08 09:53 < Ceiling_Cat> the picture there is our first correct use of the photo submission servie
2008-01-08 09:53 < Ceiling_Cat> service*
2008-01-08 09:53 < zocky> there was also PDRY at one point
2008-01-08 09:54 < TheWeasel> Sometimes several revolutions in one country
2008-01-08 09:54 < zocky> arcimboldo_, all countries are proud of their most recent revolution
2008-01-08 09:54 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-08 09:54 < NotACow> zocky: the US needs a new revolution
2008-01-08 09:54 < arcimboldo_> Yeah ... I wonder whether any country tried a quadruple "People" in their name ...
2008-01-08 09:54 < Lycurgus> way overdue
2008-01-08 09:54 < Shiroi_Neko> hmm
2008-01-08 09:54 < kenlyric> hey
2008-01-08 09:55 < Lycurgus> maybe too late
2008-01-08 09:55 < TheWeasel> We even have a Grand Duchy!
2008-01-08 09:55 < Shiroi_Neko> I can be the new prez of US
2008-01-08 09:55 < kenlyric> the south is STILL proud of their *failed* revolution
2008-01-08 09:55 < Shiroi_Neko> think of it?
2008-01-08 09:55 < kenlyric> 148 years ago.
2008-01-08 09:55 < arcimboldo_> DPR would be "People-ruled people's thing of the people"
2008-01-08 09:55 * TheWeasel wonders what the most spectacular country name is
2008-01-08 09:55 < Lycurgus> exactly, the one revolution was to preserve race based slavery
2008-01-08 09:55 < TheWeasel> Probably San Marino
2008-01-08 09:55 < TheWeasel> Rousseauean democracy
2008-01-08 09:55 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-08 09:55 < zocky> DDR was also a "people's people-ruled people-thing", coming to think of it
2008-01-08 09:56 < Shiroi_Neko> TheWeasel you mean HolySee?
2008-01-08 09:56 < Shiroi_Neko> most spectacularly small country
2008-01-08 09:56 < TheWeasel> La Serenissima Repubblica di San Marino
2008-01-08 09:56 < Shiroi_Neko> whoes inhabitants primarily live outside the country
2008-01-08 09:56 < kenlyric> Petoria
2008-01-08 09:56 < TheWeasel> the Most Serene Republic etc.
2008-01-08 09:56 < arcimboldo_> "Burkina Faso" means something like "Land of the Unbribable".
2008-01-08 09:56 < Lycurgus> and actually it wasn't started to preserve it as such, since that wasn't at issue, but rather to insure that it could *expand*
2008-01-08 09:57 < TheWeasel> Yea, Sankara changed it in the 80s
2008-01-08 09:57 < zocky> arcimboldo_, I thought it was the "land of the good people"
2008-01-08 09:57 < TheWeasel> wonder if the Volta is still called Volta
2008-01-08 09:57 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Democratic People's Republic of Korea?
2008-01-08 09:57 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-08 09:57 < Aqwis> reboot
2008-01-08 09:57 < Aqwis> nvm
2008-01-08 09:58 < TheWeasel> it's Rousseauean democracy, but it's disputable whether it's even a republic
2008-01-08 09:58 < arcimboldo_> Literally, "Burkina" may be translated, "men of integrity," from the Mor$(D+1(B language,
2008-01-08 09:58 < TheWeasel> because Kim is a quasi-king
2008-01-08 09:58 < zocky> "nvm" would be a great name for a unix shell command for undoing stuff
2008-01-08 09:58 < zocky> rm -rf /usr
2008-01-08 09:58 < zocky> nvm
2008-01-08 09:59 < arcimboldo_> More than a quasi-king ... a quasi-god.
2008-01-08 09:59 < zocky> how much power does he have personally, is the question
2008-01-08 09:59 < TheWeasel> anyway, not much of a republic
2008-01-08 09:59 < arcimboldo_> It is said that the bureaucrat who followed Turkmenbashi in Turkmenistan is now trying to establish the same personal cult for himself.
2008-01-08 09:59 < TheWeasel> especially if leadership continues to be inherited
2008-01-08 10:00 < zocky> in most monarchies, including european ones, monarchs rule by mandate from god
2008-01-08 10:00 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle you talk from experience?
2008-01-08 10:00 < Shiroi_Neko> #wikipedia [08/01/2008, 16:43:30] <quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Killing without guns is a lot harder than it looks
2008-01-08 10:00 < TheWeasel> arcimboldo_: That's hilarious.
2008-01-08 10:00 < arcimboldo_> He's got some very easy to remember name ... I forgot ...
2008-01-08 10:00 < Shiroi_Neko> cults are like that
2008-01-08 10:01 < Shiroi_Neko> arcimboldo_ you ever been to a faternity?
2008-01-08 10:01 < TheWeasel> zocky: North Korean propaganda said a star appeared on Mt Paektu
2008-01-08 10:01 < arcimboldo_> ah, Gurbanguly M$(D+#(Blikguly$(D+r(Bewi$(D+.(B Berdimuhammedow
2008-01-08 10:01 < Shiroi_Neko> arcimboldo_ poor encoding
2008-01-08 10:01 < zocky> uzbekistan: Density - 9.9/km²
2008-01-08 10:01 < TheWeasel> at the hour of Mr Kim's birth
2008-01-08 10:01 < arcimboldo_> faternity?
2008-01-08 10:01 < Shiroi_Neko> yea
2008-01-08 10:01 < zocky> who knows if you can have an actual democracy at that population density
2008-01-08 10:02 < Shiroi_Neko> greek things
2008-01-08 10:02 < TheWeasel> fraternities blow.
2008-01-08 10:02 < zocky> it's probably under 3 outside a few big towns
2008-01-08 10:02 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: What are you talking about?
2008-01-08 10:02 < zocky> ahem, that's for turkmenistan, not uzbekistan
2008-01-08 10:02 < arcimboldo_> They also reported some birds losing tears after Kim-Il Sung's death
2008-01-08 10:02 < Shiroi_Neko> zocky you do know that most of such countries are inhabitable right?
2008-01-08 10:02 < TheWeasel> zocky: It works reasonably well in Alaska for instance. Also in northern Canada.
2008-01-08 10:02 < arcimboldo_> Shiroi_Neko, no why?
2008-01-08 10:02 < Shiroi_Neko> they are cults in the US
2008-01-08 10:03 * arcimboldo_ detests fraternities, at least in the German version.
2008-01-08 10:03 < Shiroi_Neko> they make North Korean propoganda look innocent
2008-01-08 10:03 < TheWeasel> people are taken into account in the political process
2008-01-08 10:03 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: There are cults everywhere
2008-01-08 10:03 < zocky> TheWeasel, those are frontiers of powerful countries, it's a bit different
2008-01-08 10:03 < Shiroi_Neko> quanticle even on X-Com Apocalypse
2008-01-08 10:03 < Shiroi_Neko> those cultists worship alien invadors
2008-01-08 10:03 < zocky> though I doubt the canadian government does much actual governing in northern territories
2008-01-08 10:03 < TheWeasel> Cults aren't states
2008-01-08 10:03 < Zach> Shadowbot3 and MiszaBot III are both archiving Betacommand's talk page, but Shadowbot is sending discussions to a weird page
2008-01-08 10:03 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Especially on X-Com Apocalypse. :)
2008-01-08 10:03 < TheWeasel> in that sense they're always optional
2008-01-08 10:03 * NotACow thinks Shiroi_Neko secretly wants to be invaded by an alien
2008-01-08 10:03 < TheWeasel> it's worse to be in a state only half as bad as a bad cult
2008-01-08 10:04 < TheWeasel> because states are never optional
2008-01-08 10:04 * Shiroi_Neko secretly wants NotACow to be invaded by another alien
2008-01-08 10:04 < zocky> TheWeasel, unless you're a nomad in a weak state and you can afford not to give a fuck about what the government says
2008-01-08 10:04 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Cults aren't always optional. If your parents are in a cult, you may be dragged in as well, if you're a minor
2008-01-08 10:04 < TheWeasel> yea, true
2008-01-08 10:05 < Shiroi_Neko> Cults appear n various shapes and forms
2008-01-08 10:05 < Shiroi_Neko> in the middle east religious cults are plentifu
2008-01-08 10:05 < TheWeasel> but there's at least a theoretical way out with a sympathetic surrounding
2008-01-08 10:05 < Shiroi_Neko> Hezbollah is a well known one
2008-01-08 10:05 < Shiroi_Neko> Hezbolah is less of an organization and more of a cult
2008-01-08 10:05 < Lycurgus> hmm, a concrete presentation of idiocy in the classical sense
2008-01-08 10:05 < TheWeasel> they're very effective in their political "work"
2008-01-08 10:06 < Shiroi_Neko> they have a twisted ideal of decency
2008-01-08 10:06 < TheWeasel> I don't think they're much of a cult
2008-01-08 10:06 < quanticle> zocky: There's actually a surprising number of places that would qualify as "lawless" by any reasonable definition. Most of Africa would qualify, as well as most of Central Asia
2008-01-08 10:06 < TheWeasel> a cult essentially rests in its own purpose
2008-01-08 10:06 < zocky> hezbollah isn't really a cult. most members are in it for non-religious reasons. the religion is just the narrative they use.
2008-01-08 10:07 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Well cults seek isolation, precisely to counteract the phenomenon of "sympathetic surroundings"
2008-01-08 10:07 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-08 10:07 < Lycurgus> a big part of a cult is the charismatic leader. Once he dies, then it can become a religion.
2008-01-08 10:07 < TheWeasel> Hizbollah has its sympathisers of course, especially the Syrian government
2008-01-08 10:07 < TheWeasel> and Iran
2008-01-08 10:07 < zocky> and everyone else in the middle east
2008-01-08 10:07 < TheWeasel> Lycurgus: That's what makes the word so questionable
2008-01-08 10:07 < quanticle> Shiroi_Neko: Hezbollah is less of a cult and more of a political movement, like the IRA. You're thinking of Hamas...
2008-01-08 10:08 < zocky> you don't have to support everything they say to be a sympathizer
2008-01-08 10:08 < Zach> two archiving bots are archiving articles to different subpages.
2008-01-08 10:08 < Zach> or not articles, but sections on a talk page
2008-01-08 10:08 < TheWeasel> Some of the left-wing Palestinian organizations were pretty cult-like
2008-01-08 10:08 < Zach> Shadowbot3 is archiving Betacommand's page, and so is MiszaBot III. MiszaBot is archiving to [[User talk:Betacommand/20080101]], Shadowbot is archiving to [[User talk:Betacommand/2007101]].
2008-01-08 10:08 < TheWeasel> but their time is over