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2008-01-07 22:25 < quanticle> yelyos: Of course. It'd go well with the the dilithium crystals I've got on display right now
2008-01-07 22:25 < yelyos> that's a bit different
2008-01-07 22:25 < bunter_mann> the article should be closed. spam websites edit each other
2008-01-07 22:25 < NotASpy> bunter_mann: you'll probably want #wikipedia-de
2008-01-07 22:25 < Ceiling_Cat> bunter_mann - you want #wikipedia-de
2008-01-07 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> that's where the german admins hang out
2008-01-07 22:26 < yelyos> quanticle: oh, in your transparent aluminum display case?
2008-01-07 22:26 < Crimedog> Are any of them "rouge" :)
2008-01-07 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> yelyos - while you are presumably making a Star Trek IV joke, transparent aluminium does indeed exist
2008-01-07 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> in fact, we have an article on it
2008-01-07 22:26 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Transparent aluminum]]
2008-01-07 22:27 < quanticle> yelyos: No. The display case is made out of diamondoid nanosilicate. Much stronger. After all, dilithium is rather valuable these days
2008-01-07 22:28 < Ceiling_Cat> IT'S DOLOMITE, BABY!
2008-01-07 22:28 < yelyos> Ceiling_Cat: dilithium exists as well
2008-01-07 22:29 < Ceiling_Cat> yelyos - I know. In fact, we have an article on it
2008-01-07 22:29 * Ceiling_Cat wonders if it's possible to crystalize it
2008-01-07 22:29 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: what I didn't get about that was that the Futurama writers are nerds, shouldn't they know that dolomite isn't all that great?
2008-01-07 22:29 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: You're not LOUD_CAT. You've no right to shout...
2008-01-07 22:30 < quanticle> Cyrius: Yes, but dolomite has such a nice ring to it...
2008-01-07 22:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Cyrius - read our article
2008-01-07 22:30 < Ceiling_Cat> The Professor says that only dolomite can withstand the heat of lava. While this is a real mineral, the context ("the tough black mineral that won't cop out when there's heat all about") suggests he is referencing the 1975 film Dolemite, with a possible nod also to Isaac Hayes' famous "Theme from Shaft".
2008-01-07 22:30 < Ceiling_Cat> -- [[Jurassic Bark]]
2008-01-07 22:31 < The359> [[Triumph Dolomite]]
2008-01-07 22:31 < Cyrius> oh
2008-01-07 22:31 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - I'm sorry, I'll get in character next time I need to be loud
2008-01-07 22:31 < Cyrius> I was completely unaware of this
2008-01-07 22:31 < Ceiling_Cat> Wikipedia has served its job ;)
2008-01-07 22:32 < quanticle> Cyrius: So, in other words, the Futurama writers are more or less nerdy than you?
2008-01-07 22:32 < quanticle> They did make a reference that you didn't get
2008-01-07 22:32 < Cyrius> I dunno if a blaxploitation film counts as "nerdy"
2008-01-07 22:32 < Cyrius> film nerdy, probably
2008-01-07 22:32 < Ceiling_Cat> it's quiz bowl nerdy
2008-01-07 22:32 < Cyrius> but that's expected
2008-01-07 22:32 < Ceiling_Cat> trash knowledge
2008-01-07 22:32 < Cyrius> they've got math and science nerds
2008-01-07 22:33 < Ceiling_Cat> if you ever wanna get PISS drunk, just go out to a bar quiz night with any member of the maryland retirement castle trash team
2008-01-07 22:33 < quanticle> Cyrius: That's true. They've got a physicist on staff
2008-01-07 22:33 * Cyrius is weird in that he didn't really care for Jurassic Bark
2008-01-07 22:33 < Ceiling_Cat> or any other of a half-dozen trash masters on the circuit
2008-01-07 22:33 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Maryland Retirement Castle Trash Team?
2008-01-07 22:34 * quanticle is interested and/or repelled
2008-01-07 22:34 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - "Maryland Retirement Castle" is a bunch of 30 and 40-something university of maryland alums who have won trash more times than anyone else
2008-01-07 22:34 < Cyrius> quanticle: David X. Cohen has a bachelor's in physics and a master's in CS
2008-01-07 22:34 < Messedrocker> his last name should begin with M
2008-01-07 22:34 < Messedrocker> so his initials could be DXM
2008-01-07 22:35 < Ceiling_Cat> we have an article about it
2008-01-07 22:35 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Testing Recall About Strange Happenings]]
2008-01-07 22:35 < quanticle> Cyrius: Really? So the director is an honest to god physicist? Cool
2008-01-07 22:35 < Ceiling_Cat> they're listed as "Mike Keenan Employment Agency, LLC" on that page
2008-01-07 22:35 < Cyrius> quanticle: Executive Producer
2008-01-07 22:36 < Cyrius> another of the executive producers has a PhD in applied mathematics
2008-01-07 22:36 < quanticle> "Bender is a foul-mouthed, alcoholic, cigar-smoking, kleptomaniacal, misanthropic, egocentric, ill-tempered, pessimistic robot originally programmed to bend girders for suicide booths."
2008-01-07 22:36 < quanticle> Gah! Too many adjectives
2008-01-07 22:36 < Cyrius> who has a theory 'that the word "underpants" is 20% funnier than "underwear"'
2008-01-07 22:37 < quanticle> Cyrius: I share this theory
2008-01-07 22:37 < Cyrius> a mathemetician with a theory about the humor value of 'underpants'
2008-01-07 22:37 < The359> Under the TRASH article
2008-01-07 22:37 < quanticle> Cyrius: For proof, just compare "Captain Underpants" to "Captain Underwear"
2008-01-07 22:37 < The359> The belt in the picture clearly says its from the ECW Wrestling
2008-01-07 22:37 < Cyrius> that's _more_ than 20% funnier
2008-01-07 22:37 < Ceiling_Cat> The359 - yep
2008-01-07 22:37 < Ceiling_Cat> it was donated to the trash circuit
2008-01-07 22:38 < The359> oh
2008-01-07 22:38 < Ceiling_Cat> after ECW went belly up
2008-01-07 22:38 < Random832> why the hell is bender not on [[bender]]
2008-01-07 22:38 < The359> Bender B. Rodriguez?
2008-01-07 22:38 < Ceiling_Cat> it says that in the first section of the article
2008-01-07 22:38 < Random832> um, how the hell is he not in the fiction section?
2008-01-07 22:38 < The359> now I see
2008-01-07 22:39 < Random832> why's he with the real people?
2008-01-07 22:39 * Random832 fixes it
2008-01-07 22:40 < Ceiling_Cat> TTGT11 is up!
2008-01-07 22:40 < Cyrius> fictional people are in the "people" section rather than the "fiction" section
2008-01-07 22:40 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.doc-ent.com/qbc/TTGT11.zip
2008-01-07 22:40 < Cyrius> er, no
2008-01-07 22:40 < Ceiling_Cat> my college team (university of delaware) happened to play my high school team on that packet
2008-01-07 22:40 < Ceiling_Cat> the harry potter packet, that is
2008-01-07 22:40 < Ceiling_Cat> it was *awesome*
2008-01-07 22:40 < Random832> Bender is in [[
2008-01-07 22:40 < Cyrius> the dab just has its heading levels off
2008-01-07 22:40 < Random832> Bender is in [[Category:Fictional Mexicans]] and [[Category:Fictional centenarians]]
2008-01-07 22:41 < Cyrius> oh, you moved him right before I loaded it
2008-01-07 22:41 < Random832> isn't only his head over 100 years old?
2008-01-07 22:41 < Cyrius> yes =)
2008-01-07 22:41 < Random832> Cyrius: bender was the only fictional person in the people section :P
2008-01-07 22:41 < Cyrius> he was only like 4 years old in the first season
2008-01-07 22:42 < Random832> shouldn't he be in, like, fictional millenarians?
2008-01-07 22:42 < Cyrius> is there such a thing?
2008-01-07 22:42 < Random832> you could create it
2008-01-07 22:42 < Random832> presumably he wouldn't be alone
2008-01-07 22:42 < Random832> hell, Fry would qualify
2008-01-07 22:42 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: What does TTGTT stand for?
2008-01-07 22:43 < Cyrius> Fictional characters with superhuman strength | Fictional chefs | Fictional wrestlers | Fictional gamblers | Fictional Mexicans | Fictional robots | Fictional centenarians | Fictional characters who can stretch themselves | Fictional thieves | Fictional criminals
2008-01-07 22:43 < Random832> lol - fry _is_ in Fictional centenarians
2008-01-07 22:43 < Random832> ok
2008-01-07 22:43 < Random832> let's think of as many characters over 1000 years oldas we can come up with
2008-01-07 22:43 < Random832> and make [[Category:Fictional millenarians]]
2008-01-07 22:44 < yelyos> Gandalf?
2008-01-07 22:44 < Random832> Q
2008-01-07 22:44 < Random832> from star trek
2008-01-07 22:45 < Cyrius> he's also been a fictional dictator, henchman, intersexual, monster, and slave
2008-01-07 22:45 < Cyrius> (all of which exist as categories
2008-01-07 22:45 < Cyrius> )
2008-01-07 22:45 < Random832> Cyrius: who? Fry?
2008-01-07 22:45 < Cyrius> bender
2008-01-07 22:45 < Random832> ah
2008-01-07 22:45 < Random832> eh
2008-01-07 22:45 < bunter_mann> david hasselhoff
2008-01-07 22:45 < Cyrius> (dictator and slave in the same episode)
2008-01-07 22:46 < Cyrius> I suppose it's not really a defining part of his character
2008-01-07 22:46 < quanticle> Ents?
2008-01-07 22:46 < Random832> heh - millenarian is closer to being a defining part of Fry's character than of Bender, since Fry's 1000-year trip is the premise of the show, whereas for bender it was just one episode
2008-01-07 22:46 < NotACow> Fictional fictional characters
2008-01-07 22:47 < Cyrius> Random832: two, now =)
2008-01-07 22:47 < Random832> NotACow: that would be _awesome_ - are there any that are notable enough to fit?
2008-01-07 22:48 < Random832> [[Dixon Hill]] has an article
2008-01-07 22:48 < Cyrius> meta-fictional characters
2008-01-07 22:49 < NotACow> Random832: Nicky the Nose
2008-01-07 22:50 < NotACow> Random832: Nicky the Nose was a fictional character in the Dixon Hill holonovels on Star Trek
2008-01-07 22:50 < NotACow> Random832: making him a fictional fictional character
2008-01-07 22:50 < Random832> can you think of any that _aren't_ trek?
2008-01-07 22:50 < NotACow> Random832: Memory Alpha has an article.
2008-01-07 22:50 < NotACow> Random832: no :)
2008-01-07 22:50 < Random832> did star wars have any notable works of fiction?
2008-01-07 22:51 < Random832> hmm - do any of the characters from the Hamlet meta-play have articles?
2008-01-07 22:51 < Random832> no
2008-01-07 22:51 * quanticle looks on Wookiepedia for Star Wars metafiction
2008-01-07 22:52 < Random832> hmm - does pokemon do metafiction?
2008-01-07 22:52 < MooingLemur> Thought that said medication for a moment
2008-01-07 22:52 < Dtobias> [[Radioactive Man (The Simpsons character)]] is a comic book character fictional to the Simpsons universe (but later released as a real-world comic)
2008-01-07 22:52 < drtt> where can I find a list of freenode rooms?
2008-01-07 22:53 < Cyrius> channels, IRC calls them channels
2008-01-07 22:53 < Rinn> Hahaha, there's actually a [[Category:Fictional characters who can stretch themselves]] ?
2008-01-07 22:53 < Cyrius> and you don't want a full list, it's too long
2008-01-07 22:53 < drtt> fair enough
2008-01-07 22:53 < Dtobias> Plastic Man; Mr. Fantastic
2008-01-07 22:53 < Random832> Dtobias: could still qualif
2008-01-07 22:53 < Random832> y
2008-01-07 22:54 < quanticle> Random832: _Sophie's_ _World_ had fictional characters inside the fiction
2008-01-07 22:54 < drtt> is there search for freenode channels?
2008-01-07 22:54 < Rinn> Type /list?
2008-01-07 22:54 < drtt> /list
2008-01-07 22:55 < Random832> quanticle: [[User:Random832/List_of_fictional_fictional_characters]]
2008-01-07 22:55 < kmccoy> ChanServ has a channel search built into it, I believe.
2008-01-07 22:55 < kmccoy> /chanserv help list
2008-01-07 22:55 < quanticle> Random832: Also, don't forget every character inside the _Princess_ _Bride_
2008-01-07 22:55 < Random832> it needs to be characters with articles
2008-01-07 22:55 < Random832> quanticle: I thought of that, but using a framing device is cheap, and none of them have articles
2008-01-07 22:56 < Random832> i just realized - screw radioactive man, Itchy & Scratchy!
2008-01-07 22:56 < NotACow> hey i have a few fictional fictional characters
2008-01-07 22:56 < NotACow> in Psych, for the comic book convention episode
2008-01-07 22:56 < Random832> damn, there isn't an article about the characters
2008-01-07 22:56 < NotACow> there's several comic book characters which were created for that show
2008-01-07 22:57 < Random832> meh, they have other "Fictional X" categories, close enough
2008-01-07 22:57 < Random832> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_television_programming
2008-01-07 22:57 < Dtobias> [[List of fictional games]] too
2008-01-07 22:57 < Random832> now, do any of the characters of such have articles, is the problem
2008-01-07 22:58 < Cyrius> the daily show returns shortly
2008-01-07 22:58 < Random832> [[Psycho Dad]]
2008-01-07 22:58 < NotACow> Dtobias: i assume Fizzbin is listed in that latter list
2008-01-07 22:58 < NotACow> Dtobias: and hopefully also [[Dragon poker]]
2008-01-07 22:59 < NotACow> ad [[Cripple Mr. Onion]]
2008-01-07 22:59 < Cyrius> THIS IS THE DAILY SHOW WITH JON STEWART
2008-01-07 22:59 < Dtobias> There's a separate article for [[List of games in Star Trek]].
2008-01-07 23:01 < Random832> Dtobias: none of those are video games though - holodeck programs have presumably replaced them
2008-01-07 23:02 < Cyrius> "Imagine you have a show. Go on, you're just like me, you don't have writers."
2008-01-07 23:02 < kmccoy> Scab.
2008-01-07 23:02 < Cyrius> he had a writers' strike solidarity unibrow
2008-01-07 23:05 < Random832> lol - "association of motion picture and television producers, or NAMBLA"
2008-01-07 23:05 < Cyrius> "that joke is grandfathered in"
2008-01-07 23:06 < The359> damnit, I forgot about the Daily Show
2008-01-07 23:06 < The359> when do they reair?
2008-01-07 23:06 < Random832> The359: it's on now
2008-01-07 23:06 < The359> I know
2008-01-07 23:06 < quanticle> The259: Apparently right now
2008-01-07 23:06 < Random832> but anyway, it should be on at 8 tomorrow
2008-01-07 23:06 < The359> I want to watch from the beginning
2008-01-07 23:06 < The359> So when is the re-air
2008-01-07 23:06 < Cyrius> The359: checking
2008-01-07 23:06 < quanticle> The359: You can watch it on-line
2008-01-07 23:07 < Random832> LOL - INTERTUBES
2008-01-07 23:07 < Cyrius> The359: 2 hours, 1am eastern
2008-01-07 23:07 < The359> the whole thing?
2008-01-07 23:07 < The359> awesome
2008-01-07 23:07 < The359> I'll watch it then
2008-01-07 23:07 < Random832> dammit - it's not a truck, jon, it's a series of tubes
2008-01-07 23:07 < The359> get some PS3 downloading done at the same time
2008-01-07 23:07 < quanticle> Random832: He said "Itertubes"?
2008-01-07 23:07 < Random832> quanticle: no
2008-01-07 23:08 < Random832> but he referenced the series of tubes
2008-01-07 23:09 < kmccoy> So, who's writing this stuff? Some random scabs?
2008-01-07 23:09 < Cyrius> jon himself, I assume
2008-01-07 23:09 < Random832> I think some of the producers negotiated separately
2008-01-07 23:09 < kmccoy> No, Jon is specifically not writing.
2008-01-07 23:09 < Random832> I read that Letterman has a deal, so the screen actors guild (which is in solidarity) is picking him over Leno, for appearances
2008-01-07 23:09 < quanticle> Random832: The writers union is starting to negotiate separate contracts with some of the studios
2008-01-07 23:09 < Ceiling_Cat> “Intel never contributed in any way to our engineering efforts and failed to provide even a single line of code to the XO software efforts—even though Intel marketing its products as being able to run the XO software,” Negroponte said. Negroponte even went so far as accusing Intel of sabotaging the OLPC cause. The ideas Intel did make to OLPC would have caused the XO laptop to be more expensive and consume more power, which is opposite to OLPC’s
2008-01-07 23:09 < kmccoy> Random832, this isn't one of those cases.
2008-01-07 23:09 < Ceiling_Cat> wow
2008-01-07 23:09 < quanticle> United Artists apparently has a deal
2008-01-07 23:10 < Ceiling_Cat> they're not holding anything back
2008-01-07 23:10 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.vnunet.com/itweek/news/2206620/olpc-accuses-intel-untenable
2008-01-07 23:10 < Random832> kmccoy: what's he doing, talking off the cuff?
2008-01-07 23:10 < Cyrius> Random832: that's an issue with Worldwide Pants owning the show, rather than CBS
2008-01-07 23:10 < kmccoy> Random832, I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
2008-01-07 23:10 < quanticle> kmccoy: I think the writers guild has reached a settlement with Viacom
2008-01-07 23:10 < Random832> well then how do you know I wasn't right
2008-01-07 23:10 < NotACow> no, they haven't
2008-01-07 23:11 < kmccoy> quanticle, the news articles I saw said that the Daily Show didn't negotiate a deal.
2008-01-07 23:11 < NotACow> daily show has no deal
2008-01-07 23:11 < NotACow> jon is ad libbing
2008-01-07 23:11 < kmccoy> Ah, he's ad libbing? How is that different than him writing? :)
2008-01-07 23:11 < NotACow> kmccoy: as long as he doesn't do it in advance
2008-01-07 23:11 < quanticle> kmccoy: Oh. Guess I'm wrong then
2008-01-07 23:11 < NotACow> he's clearly ad libbing, too
2008-01-07 23:12 < Cyrius> NotACow: he's not ad libbing everything
2008-01-07 23:12 < Cyrius> he's got graphics
2008-01-07 23:12 < quanticle> Hmmm... What's the status on the deal as far as awards cermonies go?
2008-01-07 23:12 < Cyrius> somebody wrote something
2008-01-07 23:12 < NotACow> Cyrius: that's not writing
2008-01-07 23:12 < Random832> http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/archives/128201.asp
2008-01-07 23:12 < quanticle> Cyrius: He must have written a little bit in advance and is ad-libbing the rest
2008-01-07 23:13 < Cyrius> quanticle: guess it depends on how far you can stretch the definition
2008-01-07 23:13 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - he's not allowed to write
2008-01-07 23:13 < Ceiling_Cat> at all
2008-01-07 23:13 < kmccoy> I just assumed that they got scab writers to write it and Jon would just read that, but that doesn't seem to be what's happening.
2008-01-07 23:13 < NotACow> he jotted out some ideas, had some props prepared, and went improv the rest of the way
2008-01-07 23:13 < Random832> NotACow: he's not allowed to "jot"
2008-01-07 23:13 < Random832> that's writing
2008-01-07 23:13 < Cyrius> have you read the contract? I haven't
2008-01-07 23:13 < Ceiling_Cat> As a showrunner (which means he does lots of things, including writing), he's allowed to work, but he is not allowed to write a single line
2008-01-07 23:13 < NotACow> Random832: actually, he can in his role of "producer"
2008-01-07 23:13 * quanticle didn't realize that Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert were members of the WGA
2008-01-07 23:13 < NotACow> ideas != lines
2008-01-07 23:13 < Ceiling_Cat> at least the WGA won't let him
2008-01-07 23:14 < NotACow> as long as it's not a finished line
2008-01-07 23:14 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - most show-runners are
2008-01-07 23:14 < NotACow> he can write "cheese"
2008-01-07 23:14 < Random832> so he's allowed to ad-lib?
2008-01-07 23:14 < NotACow> Random832: yes
2008-01-07 23:14 < Ceiling_Cat> yes
2008-01-07 23:14 < Random832> is he allowed to redo the take if he doesn't like what he said?
2008-01-07 23:14 < Random832> ...or is his show live?
2008-01-07 23:14 < Cyrius> guest, a professor of labor relations and expert on strikes
2008-01-07 23:14 < Cyrius> Random832: it's taped live
2008-01-07 23:14 < Random832> taped live?
2008-01-07 23:15 < NotACow> Random832: he could reshoot the take but TDS almost never does
2008-01-07 23:15 < Cyrius> one take, but not aired as it happens
2008-01-07 23:15 < kmccoy> Was the opening with the unibrow taped separately? It seemed like a strange transition.
2008-01-07 23:15 < NotACow> TDS sometimes does cut and reshoot, but very rarely
2008-01-07 23:15 < quanticle> Random832: The Daily Show is live
2008-01-07 23:15 < Cyrius> no, it's not live
2008-01-07 23:16 < NotACow> TDS is not live
2008-01-07 23:16 < NotACow> it's shot in the early afternoon
2008-01-07 23:16 < quanticle> Oh. I didn't know that either.
2008-01-07 23:16 < Dtobias> Can Wikipedia writers / editors go on strike?
2008-01-07 23:16 * quanticle is learning lots about showbiz today
2008-01-07 23:17 < Cyrius> Dtobias: you'd have a hell of a time organizing it
2008-01-07 23:17 * quanticle goes on strike for a 200% pay increase
2008-01-07 23:17 < Rinn> Hee hee hee.
2008-01-07 23:17 < Rinn> I can imagine the drama.
2008-01-07 23:17 < Cyrius> we can't even organize wikipedians to do things they _want_ to do
2008-01-07 23:17 < Rinn> And I would be there through it all, purposely instigating.
2008-01-07 23:17 < quanticle> Cyrius: Also, Schroeder and Ceiling_Cat would just destroy each other
2008-01-07 23:18 < Cyrius> quanticle: it'd be worth the cost
2008-01-07 23:18 < Cyrius> besides, raul654 has got a dozen other personalities
2008-01-07 23:18 < Schroeder> yes, because Ceiling_Cat is an incredibly abusive admin
2008-01-07 23:18 * quanticle didn't realize that Schroeder was logged in
2008-01-07 23:18 < Random832> NotACow: so, just between you and me and the rest of the channel - _do_ you have any sysop sockpuppets? your non-denials are interesting, but i want facts
2008-01-07 23:19 < Random832> j/k
2008-01-07 23:19 < quanticle> This is the IRC equivalent of talking about someone when they're standing behind you
2008-01-07 23:19 < NotACow> Random832: no comment
2008-01-07 23:19 < Random832> ok
2008-01-07 23:19 < Random832> do you not not have any bureaucrat, checkuser, oversight, or steward sockpuppets?
2008-01-07 23:19 < NotACow> Random832: i know that jimmy is hunting for someone who purportedly has multiple admin socks
2008-01-07 23:19 < NotACow> Random832: i do not intend to feed his paranoia
2008-01-07 23:19 < Random832> I saw that on WR
2008-01-07 23:19 < Random832> "the unrepentant vandal"
2008-01-07 23:20 < NotACow> Random832: jimmy's quite capable of feeding his own paranoia without my help
2008-01-07 23:20 < quanticle> NotACow: How do you get multiple admin socks? Getting one account admin'd is difficult enough...
2008-01-07 23:20 < NotACow> quanticle: bah, it's easy to get an admin account
2008-01-07 23:20 < quanticle> NotACow: What are the requirements for RfA?
2008-01-07 23:20 < NotACow> quanticle: spend three months reverting vandalism, do a bit of constructive editing, and suck cock at RFA for a month
2008-01-07 23:20 < quanticle> NotACow: That's it?
2008-01-07 23:21 < Random832> do you speak from experience? how many admin accounts do you have?
2008-01-07 23:21 < Random832> j/k
2008-01-07 23:21 < quanticle> NotACow: Perhaps I'm thinking of ArbCom
2008-01-07 23:21 < Random832> are any of the accounts you've lost the file with the names of admins?
2008-01-07 23:21 < Lycurgus_> how could a person have a sockpuppet with admin rights? Are they granted at a seperate level of authentication?
2008-01-07 23:21 < Random832> Lycurgus_: it's called not getting caught
2008-01-07 23:22 < quanticle> Lycurgus_: Its called there are too many admins to keep track of
2008-01-07 23:22 < Rinn> I wonder how well an organized attack on Wikipedia with admin sockpuppets would go.
2008-01-07 23:22 < Lycurgus_> hundreds?
2008-01-07 23:22 < Lycurgus_> thousands?
2008-01-07 23:22 < Random832> _a_ thousand, certainly
2008-01-07 23:23 < NotACow> Random832: i suspect that i could, in six month's time and a few thousand dollars, build up anywhere from 10 to 40 admin accounts.
2008-01-07 23:23 < Random832> what's the money for?
2008-01-07 23:23 < quanticle> Rinn: It would go quite well, at least at first
2008-01-07 23:23 < Random832> pay people to edit? pay for multiple ISP accounts?
2008-01-07 23:23 < quanticle> NotACow: Why would you need the money?
2008-01-07 23:23 < Random832> bribe Jimbo?
2008-01-07 23:23 < NotACow> Random832: pay people to edit, and also pay people to vandalize so my editrs would have vandalism to revert.
2008-01-07 23:23 < Rinn> Proxy servers?
2008-01-07 23:23 < Rinn> Hahahaha
2008-01-07 23:24 < Rinn> Paid vandalism.
2008-01-07 23:24 < Random832> this is why vandal fighters can't get sysopped :P
2008-01-07 23:24 < Random832> couldn't you just run a low-grade vandalbot?
2008-01-07 23:24 < Random832> on a shell account
2008-01-07 23:24 < quanticle> NotACow: Its like the TV shows where the police chief is in cahoots with the gangs to ensure that police department remains funded
2008-01-07 23:25 < quanticle> Random832: Your vandalbot would get blocked.
2008-01-07 23:25 < Random832> quanticle: it'd have multiple accounts
2008-01-07 23:25 < Random832> maybe proxies
2008-01-07 23:25 < NotACow> quanticle: so?
2008-01-07 23:25 < NotACow> quanticle: that's not a problem.
2008-01-07 23:25 < quanticle> Random832: IP address blocking?
2008-01-07 23:26 < quanticle> Random832: How would you get around IP blocks without multiple shell accounts
2008-01-07 23:26 < Random832> open proxies
2008-01-07 23:26 < Random832> or, a few dynamic ISP account
2008-01-07 23:26 < Rinn> They're usually banned.
2008-01-07 23:26 < Random832> maybe some AOL
2008-01-07 23:26 < quanticle> Random832: Aren't open proxies already banned?
2008-01-07 23:26 < Rinn> Not that I know from experience, of course. Just picked it up along the way.
2008-01-07 23:26 * Rinn whistles
2008-01-07 23:26 < Random832> the key is not getting caught
2008-01-07 23:26 < MUNCHLAX> pay someone to set up a closed proxy
2008-01-07 23:26 < Random832> but anyway, enough of this stuffing beans up noses
2008-01-07 23:27 < Rinn> Aww.
2008-01-07 23:27 * Rinn stops paying attention
2008-01-07 23:27 < Ceiling_Cat> I wonder why the daily show is not using its usual theme
2008-01-07 23:27 < quanticle> MUNCHLAX: Unless that person had access to a whole bunch of IPs, then it'd be pretty trivial to block your closed proxy as well
2008-01-07 23:27 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: it's not the daily show
2008-01-07 23:27 < Ceiling_Cat> no?
2008-01-07 23:27 < Random832> Ceiling_Cat: because it's not the daily show. it's "A Daily Show with Jon Stewart"
2008-01-07 23:27 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: it's a daily show with jon stewart.
2008-01-07 23:28 * kmccoy completely changes IPs every week or so.
2008-01-07 23:28 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - trivialities
2008-01-07 23:28 < Lycurgus_> is that a figure of speech "stuffing beans up noses"? I don't get it.
2008-01-07 23:28 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: the devil is in the details
2008-01-07 23:28 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus_, how can you not get it?
2008-01-07 23:28 < Rinn> [[WP:BEANS]]
2008-01-07 23:28 < quanticle> kmccoy: I bet they're in the same IP range though
2008-01-07 23:28 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus_, what happens if you stuff beans up your nose?
2008-01-07 23:28 < kmccoy> quanticle, what range would that be?
2008-01-07 23:28 < Rinn> You smell beans all the time.
2008-01-07 23:29 < kmccoy> quanticle, now that I'm working, I live in a different hotel in a different city every few days.
2008-01-07 23:30 < Rinn> I've always wanted to do that.
2008-01-07 23:30 < quanticle> kmccoy: Oh yeah. I forgot that you travel. You'd be the perfect co-conspirator for NotACow's scam
2008-01-07 23:30 < Rinn> But then I've always wanted to fall off a cliff, too.
2008-01-07 23:30 < NotACow> quanticle: for all you know i've already done this, you know
2008-01-07 23:30 < quanticle> NotACow: I think I found someone to help implement your brilliant plan
2008-01-07 23:30 < Lycurgus_> I see. I usually don't bother about shit like that. Does appear to be a wp specific idiom, which is why I didn't get it.
2008-01-07 23:30 < Mahlzahn> has anyone seen Luna-san recently?
2008-01-07 23:31 < quanticle> NotACow: Heh. OMG kmccoy and NotACow are a Cabal!
2008-01-07 23:31 * kmccoy sets up a closed proxy for a fee.
2008-01-07 23:31 < Lycurgus_> a fucking Cabal, or an ordinary one?
2008-01-07 23:31 < Leslie_S> ooh, how can i join a fucking cabal?
2008-01-07 23:31 < Leslie_S> i need some fucking
2008-01-07 23:32 * Mahlzahn pays kmccoy his fee and socketpuppets him
2008-01-07 23:32 * quanticle hands Leslie_S White_Cat
2008-01-07 23:32 < quanticle> Here's a pussy
2008-01-07 23:32 < quanticle> You know what to do
2008-01-07 23:32 < Leslie_S> i cant fuck a pussy
2008-01-07 23:32 < Leslie_S> for good reason
2008-01-07 23:32 * Mahlzahn runs away screaming
2008-01-07 23:33 < Leslie_S> i can still giggle though
2008-01-07 23:33 < Lycurgus_> you got rid of your stuff already?
2008-01-07 23:33 < kmccoy> He should just do the show out of character.
2008-01-07 23:33 < quanticle> kmccoy: Who? Jon Stewart, or Stephen Colbert?
2008-01-07 23:33 < Lycurgus_> <wince-mode-on>
2008-01-07 23:33 < kmccoy> The latter.
2008-01-07 23:33 < Random832> damn
2008-01-07 23:33 < Random832> there is already a category:metafictional characters
2008-01-07 23:33 < kmccoy> I don't think Jon Stewart has a character...
2008-01-07 23:34 < quanticle> kmccoy: Now that'd be something to see
2008-01-07 23:34 < Cyrius> he did introduce the show as the colberT reporT rather than the colber repor
2008-01-07 23:34 < kmccoy> Whoops, house lights.
2008-01-07 23:34 < kmccoy> haha
2008-01-07 23:34 < Cyrius> haha
2008-01-07 23:34 < Cyrius> "there are no words in my prompter!"
2008-01-07 23:35 < Lycurgus_> so how are those shows other than letterman doing without the writers?
2008-01-07 23:35 < Cyrius> Lycurgus_: I have no idea how Stewart and Colbert are doing it
2008-01-07 23:35 < NotACow> Lycurgus_: they're winging it
2008-01-07 23:35 < TheWeasel> sluggish...
2008-01-07 23:36 < kmccoy> Clearly Colbert is just ad libbing.
2008-01-07 23:36 < NotACow> fortunately, jon and colbert are inherently talent
2008-01-07 23:36 < NotACow> talented
2008-01-07 23:36 < Lycurgus_> I meant are the shows terrible or what
2008-01-07 23:36 < Lycurgus_> (more than ordinarily)
2008-01-07 23:36 < Cyrius> Lycurgus_: these two are doing a pretty good job
2008-01-07 23:36 < NotACow> kmccoy: colbert has a LONG history in improv, so his "winging it" is likely to be good
2008-01-07 23:36 < Cyrius> it's rough, but not crap
2008-01-07 23:36 < kmccoy> Already he's been pretty good, yeah. Jon Stewart wasn't bad.
2008-01-07 23:37 < Lycurgus_> didn't they all have write their own material before they became whatever they are now?
2008-01-07 23:38 < Lycurgus_> so should be able to again
2008-01-07 23:38 < NotACow> Lycurgus_: he can't
2008-01-07 23:38 < NotACow> Lycurgus_: he cannot write enve his own material
2008-01-07 23:38 < Cyrius> that's a can of contractural worms
2008-01-07 23:38 < Random832> Lycurgus_: he's not allowed to write
2008-01-07 23:38 * Mahlzahn needs an !admin to change [[Template:Archive list]] to semi-protect (currently full) for #ifexist fixing. (Strangely enough, the template is included from {{Archives}} which is not protected)
2008-01-07 23:38 < Random832> because he's on strike
2008-01-07 23:38 < NotACow> Lycurgus_: he's a WGA member, if he writes material even for himself he would be blacklisted from his own show
2008-01-07 23:38 < Cyrius> NotACow: I read somewhere that people could write material for themselves to perform
2008-01-07 23:38 < NotACow> Cyrius: not if they're WGA members
2008-01-07 23:38 < NotACow> Cyrius: and Colbert is
2008-01-07 23:39 < Cyrius> so some random talking head can start writing
2008-01-07 23:39 < Cyrius> but not one who actually had writing talent and joined the WGA
2008-01-07 23:39 < NotACow> Cyrius: the contracxt they have with the WGA says that they won't use non-WGA writers.
2008-01-07 23:39 < NotACow> if they ever use a non-WGA writer, the WGA will blacklist the show
2008-01-07 23:39 < Lycurgus_> Jon Stewart? I thought I heard he was going back on air and issue some statement of solidarity with strikers.
2008-01-07 23:39 < kmccoy> I bet the stagehands are pissed at having to work.
2008-01-07 23:39 < Cyrius> NotACow: you are not listening to the words I am saying
2008-01-07 23:39 < Random832> kmccoy: yeah, they're so pissed that they're not laid off anymore
2008-01-07 23:39 < kmccoy> Well, I bet they're happy to work and get paid.
2008-01-07 23:39 < NotACow> kmccoy: i bet they're happy at being paid.
2008-01-07 23:40 < Cyrius> I am saying that I read that the contract allows for this
2008-01-07 23:40 < kmccoy> But I bet they're pissed at being forced to cross the picket line.
2008-01-07 23:40 < NotACow> kmccoy: although colbert and stewart were paying them to not work, iirc.
2008-01-07 23:40 < NotACow> kmccoy: but busboy can't do that forever
2008-01-07 23:40 < kmccoy> NotACow, that's cool...
2008-01-07 23:40 < Lycurgus_> I can sort of see it though. Even I as a socialist, say to myself, well fuck em if they're too stupid to organize and demand change ...
2008-01-07 23:41 < Lycurgus_> but then when they do and you line up on the wrong side, that's a big problem.
2008-01-07 23:41 < NotACow> kmccoy: i think it's well-understood that Stewart and Colbert are supporting the strike in their content
2008-01-07 23:41 < Lycurgus_> I would *NEVER* do that.
2008-01-07 23:41 < NotACow> kmccoy: letterman totally argued for the WGA on his first show back
2008-01-07 23:41 < kmccoy> These guys are all in NYC, too, right? The stagehands in NYC don't mess around with union stuff. They're not going to be pleased about crossing the line...
2008-01-07 23:43 < Lycurgus_> Suicidal capitalism in one country however, unlike socialism in one country and/or region, is I think something that can within limits work.
2008-01-07 23:44 < Lycurgus_> Do seem to be kina pushin on those limits though right now.
2008-01-07 23:44 < kmccoy> hahaha
2008-01-07 23:44 * Schroeder hereby declares that all the world's hot chicks must show him their boobs
2008-01-07 23:45 < Cyrius> colbert is staying in character and ranting about unions =)
2008-01-07 23:45 < Random832> lol "the elephant's on strike as well"
2008-01-07 23:45 < Random832> [yes, i'm about 5 minutes behind]
2008-01-07 23:45 < NotACow> Random832: yay foor tivo :)
2008-01-07 23:45 < LuciferTiger> yeah watching that ATM
2008-01-07 23:45 < Random832> AT&T U-verse DVR actually
2008-01-07 23:45 < LuciferTiger> live cable
2008-01-07 23:46 < LuciferTiger> "the point is... unions are destroying america" - Colbert
2008-01-07 23:47 < tawker> LuciferTiger: lol
2008-01-07 23:47 < Random832> lol @ the word
2008-01-07 23:47 < LuciferTiger> yeah
2008-01-07 23:48 < Leslie_S> LuciferTiger, heh, sounds like walmart orientation
2008-01-07 23:48 < LuciferTiger> i like how he says one thing and means absolutely the opposite - without sounding sarcastic
2008-01-07 23:48 * kmccoy hugs his union cards.
2008-01-07 23:49 < Leslie_S> sarcasm pisses me off
2008-01-07 23:49 < LuciferTiger> Leslie_S: yeah it is
2008-01-07 23:49 < Cyrius> LuciferTiger: it's a necessary skill for satire
2008-01-07 23:49 < Leslie_S> LuciferTiger, ever worked for our company?
2008-01-07 23:49 < LuciferTiger> cmon! isnt it like your main weapon Leslie_S
2008-01-07 23:49 < Leslie_S> i never use sarcasm
2008-01-07 23:49 < LuciferTiger> which one Leslie_S ?
2008-01-07 23:49 < Leslie_S> LuciferTiger, walmart
2008-01-07 23:50 < LuciferTiger> are you a female or just have an unfortunately branded name?
2008-01-07 23:50 < Lycurgus_> your company is the prototypical one, just low end with the exception of the corporate staff.
2008-01-07 23:50 * NotACow is not permitted to join a union
2008-01-07 23:50 < Leslie_S> LuciferTiger, why would you ask me that?
2008-01-07 23:50 < Leslie_S> LuciferTiger, of course im female.
2008-01-07 23:51 < NotACow> well, technically, i can join one, but i can be fired for doing so
2008-01-07 23:51 < LuciferTiger> you cant really be a female and not use sarcasm
2008-01-07 23:51 < Leslie_S> LuciferTiger, i prefer my feminine mind control abilities.
2008-01-07 23:51 < Lycurgus_> which is probably not more than 10K employees. Don't they employ something like a million with a yearly turnover of a half million?
2008-01-07 23:51 < Leslie_S> LuciferTiger, sarcasm is for less mature girls.
2008-01-07 23:51 < Rinn> Usually when I use sarcasm I'm pretending to be a guy, though.
2008-01-07 23:51 < LuciferTiger> Like a level 80 female only spell?
2008-01-07 23:51 < Leslie_S> LuciferTiger, its not that hard
2008-01-07 23:52 < Leslie_S> i remember the first time i did it to my mom
2008-01-07 23:52 < LuciferTiger> hey i use a lot of mind control in my business
2008-01-07 23:52 < Leslie_S> all you have to do is just start crying
2008-01-07 23:52 < Leslie_S> and people will do whatever you want them to do
2008-01-07 23:52 * kmccoy is required to be a member of a union to work in his job.
2008-01-07 23:53 < LuciferTiger> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20071231
2008-01-07 23:53 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Great reference
2008-01-07 23:53 < LuciferTiger> that and the next one
2008-01-07 23:53 < Lycurgus_> I wont. You can bawl your ass off as far as I'm concerned.
2008-01-07 23:53 < Rinn> I can't cry on cue so I've never been able to test that out.
2008-01-07 23:53 < LuciferTiger> quanticle: what was the great reference in reference to?
2008-01-07 23:53 < LuciferTiger> Rinn are you a gal too?
2008-01-07 23:53 < Leslie_S> Rinn, i have to be atleast a little upset to do it
2008-01-07 23:53 < Rinn> Mm-hm.
2008-01-07 23:54 < LuciferTiger> oh my roomie can totally cry on cue. and he is a 23 year old guy.
2008-01-07 23:54 < Rinn> I've tried, Les.
2008-01-07 23:54 < Leslie_S> im usually upset about something though
2008-01-07 23:54 < Lycurgus_> I was starting feel a vague hetero sensation there for a moment. That crying bullshit brought me right back.
2008-01-07 23:54 < Ceiling_Cat> QUESTION
2008-01-07 23:54 < Ceiling_Cat> [[ESPN The Magazine]]
2008-01-07 23:54 < LuciferTiger> ask
2008-01-07 23:54 < Ceiling_Cat> What would be the most relavant 2 or 3 wikiprojects to deal with that article?
2008-01-07 23:55 < Ceiling_Cat> it's not quite sports, and it's not quite journalism
2008-01-07 23:55 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: The Ctrl-Alt-Del reference
2008-01-07 23:55 < LuciferTiger> aah yeah
2008-01-07 23:55 < LuciferTiger> thanks
2008-01-07 23:56 < Leslie_S> sigh, theres this girl i want to ask out...but i dont see how she could possibly accept me.
2008-01-07 23:56 < LuciferTiger> ok ure a gal right?
2008-01-07 23:56 < Leslie_S> sorta
2008-01-07 23:56 < Lycurgus_> No he ain't
2008-01-07 23:56 < Rinn> Leslie is an enigma.
2008-01-07 23:56 < LuciferTiger> lol
2008-01-07 23:56 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus_, ....
2008-01-07 23:56 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus_, thats is pretty offensive. you better watch it.
2008-01-07 23:56 < NotACow> an enigma wrapped around a riddle wrapped around a potted petunia plant.
2008-01-07 23:57 < LuciferTiger> <Leslie_S> sorta.. good one
2008-01-07 23:57 < Leslie_S> LuciferTiger, dont bother me. im REALLY not in the mood.
2008-01-07 23:57 < Lycurgus_> but he's very small boned. That must a been the problem with the girl, she was too big boned.
2008-01-07 23:57 < LuciferTiger> whos bothering you
2008-01-07 23:57 < Leslie_S> oh, sorry. i got you mixed up with Lycurgus_.
2008-01-07 23:57 < Leslie_S> im tired.
2008-01-07 23:58 < Rinn> Smarties!
2008-01-07 23:58 < Leslie_S> LuciferTiger, like i said, sorta. looking at the population of this place, thats not that unusual
2008-01-07 23:58 < LuciferTiger> phew. well get rest. and some relationship advice.
2008-01-07 23:58 < LuciferTiger> well if the gal is sorta into ppl who are sorta gals, you do have a chance. else no.
2008-01-07 23:59 < Leslie_S> i dont see why people dont just ask ME out.
2008-01-07 23:59 < Lycurgus_> hey, I respect you, and if you are in fact small boned, I'd prolly do ya
2008-01-07 23:59 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus_, ...
2008-01-07 23:59 < Cyrius> "tell me about unions, you blue-collar brute."
2008-01-07 23:59 < LuciferTiger> Leslie_S: i dont see y ppl ask me out either. ppl = gals btw.
2008-01-07 23:59 < Leslie_S> LuciferTiger, im bi.
2008-01-07 23:59 < LuciferTiger> lol Cyrius
2008-01-07 23:59 < Rinn> More Smarties!
2008-01-08 00:00 < LuciferTiger> thats not the point Leslie_S. im saying that if that gal isnt into gals, she wont say yes.
2008-01-08 00:00 < Leslie_S> LuciferTiger, but i only sorta look like a girl
2008-01-08 00:00 < Leslie_S> and i think she likes me, but she probably wouldnt like the inner me.
2008-01-08 00:00 * The359 likes the first article in the current DYK
2008-01-08 00:01 < LuciferTiger> people say stuff like "if you really like them, go for it... they might say yes when they see how much they like u" but its crap.
2008-01-08 00:01 < Leslie_S> the concept of sexuality just breaks down in the presence of me.
2008-01-08 00:01 < Leslie_S> i cant go out with straight guys or straight girls. or gay guys or gay girls.
2008-01-08 00:01 < Leslie_S> only bi ones
2008-01-08 00:02 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Birds of a feather...
2008-01-08 00:02 < Rinn> Fuck together?
2008-01-08 00:02 < Leslie_S> im not all that interested in fucking
2008-01-08 00:02 < quanticle> Rinn: Oh the punnery!
2008-01-08 00:03 < The359> NEEDS MOAR PUNNERY
2008-01-08 00:03 < Lycurgus_> don't you have to be into whatever it is you are, at least a little bit, in order to be a hot X? I think that's sort of implicit in what you are saying about bi's: they seem to lack a sufficient respect for gender.
2008-01-08 00:04 < LuciferTiger> Lycurgus_: not really
2008-01-08 00:04 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus_, i dont respect gender at all. anyway, the whole concept of what i said is that the inner me and outer me dont have a gender that match.
2008-01-08 00:04 < Lycurgus_> but you said you look like a girl
2008-01-08 00:04 < Leslie_S> *sorta*
2008-01-08 00:04 < Rinn> I have four delicious packages of Smarties here!
2008-01-08 00:04 < Leslie_S> and i dont sound like a girl ;/
2008-01-08 00:04 < Rinn> What shall I do with them?
2008-01-08 00:04 < LuciferTiger> Lycurgus_: drop it will ya
2008-01-08 00:05 < FastLizard4|busy> Rinn: Eat them
2008-01-08 00:05 < TheWeasel> "cricket, the baffling cross between chess and religion"
2008-01-08 00:05 < LuciferTiger> TheWeasel: the game or the insect?
2008-01-08 00:05 < Rinn> But that's so cliche.
2008-01-08 00:05 < TheWeasel> the game
2008-01-08 00:05 < LuciferTiger> how so?
2008-01-08 00:05 * quanticle wants Smarties
2008-01-08 00:06 < LuciferTiger> chess yeah... religion???
2008-01-08 00:06 < Leslie_S> i hate life
2008-01-08 00:06 < Rinn> I love life!
2008-01-08 00:06 < LuciferTiger> quanticle: go listen to Mozart
2008-01-08 00:06 < LuciferTiger> I dont care bout it anymore.
2008-01-08 00:06 < TheWeasel> Mozart also helps against hating life
2008-01-08 00:06 < Cyrius> woo, first epsiode of futurama
2008-01-08 00:06 < TheWeasel> Well, religious rituals
2008-01-08 00:06 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: If you don't think cricket can be a religion, you've never been to India or Pakistan
2008-01-08 00:07 < TheWeasel> and it *is* religion, in India.
2008-01-08 00:07 < TheWeasel> yup
2008-01-08 00:07 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-01-08 00:07 < LuciferTiger> << Indian
2008-01-08 00:07 * quanticle is Indian too
2008-01-08 00:07 < LuciferTiger> i assumed TheWeasel was talking in church terms
2008-01-08 00:08 < TheWeasel> religion =|= Christianity
2008-01-08 00:08 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: No. He was talking in more of the rabidness terms
2008-01-08 00:08 < LuciferTiger> quanticle: its a religion in india, pak, SL, NZ, aus and WI
2008-01-08 00:08 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: But not so much in England itself, oddly enough
2008-01-08 00:08 < Rinn> I have separated the Smarties into their unique colors.
2008-01-08 00:08 < quanticle> Rinn: Eath the pink ones first
2008-01-08 00:09 < Rinn> I have three pinks, three whites, two light-turquoises, one purple, and one yellow.
2008-01-08 00:09 < LuciferTiger> Dont even talk bout england. it sucks at sports that it created.
2008-01-08 00:09 < LuciferTiger> cricket being one
2008-01-08 00:09 < quanticle> Rinn: Eat the pink ones
2008-01-08 00:09 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Soccer being another
2008-01-08 00:09 < LuciferTiger> Football / Soccer being another one
2008-01-08 00:09 < LuciferTiger> lol true
2008-01-08 00:09 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Or football rather
2008-01-08 00:09 < Rinn> Why the pink ones?
2008-01-08 00:09 < TheWeasel> Soccer is the civil religion here in Germany certainly.
2008-01-08 00:09 < Rinn> There. I made a smiley face out of them.
2008-01-08 00:10 < TheWeasel> That and complaining.
2008-01-08 00:10 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: They missed the qualifying for Euro 2008. I still laugh at that
2008-01-08 00:10 < LuciferTiger> yeah
2008-01-08 00:10 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Well you guys certainly have done well in the World Cup of late
2008-01-08 00:10 < LuciferTiger> and they get all worked up when we tell them that they suck at it
2008-01-08 00:10 * The359 points to [[Raider Nation]] and [[Tifosi]]
2008-01-08 00:10 < TheWeasel> we hosted that thing, that's always a boost.
2008-01-08 00:10 < quanticle> TheWeasel: And your Champions League teams aren't half bad either
2008-01-08 00:10 < LuciferTiger> yeah they did everything except to win it
2008-01-08 00:10 < TheWeasel> yea, unusually proper year.
2008-01-08 00:11 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Third isn't bad, especially when you're going against heavies like Brazil and Italy
2008-01-08 00:11 < TheWeasel> seeing that our budgets are about a fifth of the top leagues
2008-01-08 00:11 < TheWeasel> *those of
2008-01-08 00:11 < LuciferTiger> fluke
2008-01-08 00:11 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Well Bayern Munich is fairly rich, isn't it?
2008-01-08 00:12 < TheWeasel> they're an exception, but they still don't compete with the kind of sums Real Madrid pays both for transfer and wage
2008-01-08 00:12 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-08 00:12 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: I don't think so. I think Germany played excellent defensive soccer
2008-01-08 00:12 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Or Chelsea for that matter
2008-01-08 00:12 < TheWeasel> not as defensive as usually, even
2008-01-08 00:12 < LuciferTiger> FLUKE okay!! now drop it!!
2008-01-08 00:12 < TheWeasel> yea, the kind of corporate takeover hasnt caught on here, except for Schalke
2008-01-08 00:13 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Heh. We'll see in '10, won't we?