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2008-01-07 19:49 < Paine> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Booby_chick.jpg better link*
2008-01-07 19:49 < Alkivar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0
2008-01-07 19:50 < Xihix> Haha, Alkivar
2008-01-07 19:50 < Xihix> I hate the Apple corperation so much.
2008-01-07 19:52 < Paine> my fanboy alarm's going off
2008-01-07 19:52 < Mahlzahn> can anyone here bring me up to speed on the #ifexist issue?
2008-01-07 19:52 < Xihix> Ah, I don't care...
2008-01-07 19:52 < Xihix> Mahlzahn
2008-01-07 19:52 < Xihix> You never finished ;_;
2008-01-07 19:52 < Mahlzahn> I know basically what its about, but don't have the current status.
2008-01-07 19:52 < CharlotteWebb> what is the issue o.O
2008-01-07 19:53 < Mahlzahn> yes Xihix. ;)
2008-01-07 19:53 < Alkivar> woah xerox changed their logo today!
2008-01-07 19:53 < Alkivar> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/business/07cnd-adco.html?_r=3&ref=business&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
2008-01-07 19:53 < Xihix> Mahlzahn, didn't touch Cultural References or Reception :O
2008-01-07 19:53 < Mahlzahn> CharlotteWebb: about templates including too many #ifexist calls, which hammers the servers.
2008-01-07 19:54 < Mahlzahn> Xihix: I'll get to it in a bit.
2008-01-07 19:54 < Xihix> ah.
2008-01-07 19:54 < Xihix> ok.
2008-01-07 19:54 < Xihix> Alkivar
2008-01-07 19:54 < Xihix> does the request for front page FA usually take this slow?
2008-01-07 19:54 < CharlotteWebb> oh. i read about that on the mailing list. from what i gathered, most templates could be re-written to avoid that
2008-01-07 19:55 < CharlotteWebb> no sensible template is going to need to check the existence of 100+ pages at once
2008-01-07 19:56 < Mike_H> Mahlzahn: I had a weird dream last night
2008-01-07 19:56 < CharlotteWebb> a lot of them were cases where the existence of the same page is checked numerous times
2008-01-07 19:56 < Rinn> I had a dream my house flooded!
2008-01-07 19:57 < Paine> did Rinn wet the bed?
2008-01-07 19:57 < Rinn> But all the electronics still worked, so I didn't do anything about it.
2008-01-07 19:57 < Mike_H> Rinn: Mine is crazier
2008-01-07 19:57 < Mike_H> let me PM you
2008-01-07 19:57 < Paine> it's ok rinn, you can tell us :<
2008-01-07 19:57 < CharlotteWebb> and of course, the software doesn't cache the result from the first check. that's the only change that might be made i think.
2008-01-07 19:57 < Xihix> Mike, tell me too :)
2008-01-07 19:58 < Mike_H> done
2008-01-07 19:59 < Xihix> that was uhh
2008-01-07 19:59 < Xihix> I dunno, really.
2008-01-07 19:59 < Mike_H> Neither do I
2008-01-07 19:59 < Mike_H> I don't normally remember my dreams
2008-01-07 19:59 * The359 has dreams where he's killing all of you
2008-01-07 20:07 * kmccoy stands by for random questions.
2008-01-07 20:08 < CharlotteWebb> where were you on the night of december 31
2008-01-07 20:08 < sarahc> I just realized that there are in fact two separate episodes of "The Simpsons" in which the mafia (Fat Tony & friends) are outside the Simpsons family's house and threaten them.
2008-01-07 20:08 < The359> .....
2008-01-07 20:09 < The359> oh, it's him again
2008-01-07 20:09 < The359> or her
2008-01-07 20:09 < The359> whatever it wants to be
2008-01-07 20:09 < sarahc> One is the reference to The Sopranos, but it started airing in 1999.
2008-01-07 20:09 < sarahc> So this one (with Marge's prezels) was aired in 1997.
2008-01-07 20:09 < sarahc> That makes sense.
2008-01-07 20:10 < sarahc> Althought I thought it was even earlier.
2008-01-07 20:12 < sarahc> Now you can sleep again.
2008-01-07 20:12 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Messedrocker
2008-01-07 20:12 < Mike_H> The359: That is Catnip96/Bluuu right?
2008-01-07 20:12 < Mike_H> Does this idiot have a mental problem or something? I mean, really.
2008-01-07 20:12 < The359> yep
2008-01-07 20:13 < Mike_H> I just don't understand why he keeps coming back. Nobody likes him, we can pick out his typing style, and as soon as I whois, if I see cust.bredbandsbolaget.se, I know it's him.
2008-01-07 20:13 < Mike_H> I mean, I don't get it.
2008-01-07 20:19 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-07 20:19 < kmccoy> NotASpy, http://gallery.kevin-mccoy.com/link/TimesSquareByN95
2008-01-07 20:19 < Mike2> who has a mental problem?
2008-01-07 20:19 < NotACow> Mike2: not me!
2008-01-07 20:19 < CharlotteWebb> MOO
2008-01-07 20:20 < NotASpy> kmccoy: that's a really good photo for a mobile phone.
2008-01-07 20:20 < kmccoy> NotASpy, yeah, and it's been resized to fit the max size of my gallery.
2008-01-07 20:24 * Mike_H looks at how cute kmccoy is!
2008-01-07 20:24 < Mike_H> Yeah, I went there, what?
2008-01-07 20:24 * kmccoy is not cute, nor is he in that photo. :P
2008-01-07 20:24 < Mike_H> I looked at your other ones, dummy.
2008-01-07 20:24 < kmccoy> Ah. :P
2008-01-07 20:25 < NotASpy> wow. the N95 is really respectable at full resolution too. http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2101032746
2008-01-07 20:26 < kmccoy> And it has an undocumented accelerometer. :P
2008-01-07 20:27 < Ceiling_Cat> teeeheee
2008-01-07 20:27 < Ceiling_Cat> "Hey baby, the dominos guy said he'll be here in 30 minutes. Are you thinking what I'm thinking?"
2008-01-07 20:27 < Ceiling_Cat> "Yea, but what are we gonna do with the other 28 minutes?"
2008-01-07 20:27 * Cyrius groans
2008-01-07 20:27 * Ceiling_Cat lulz
2008-01-07 20:28 < The359> lol, I liked that commercial, Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-07 20:28 < The359> The girl was nice looking as well
2008-01-07 20:30 < Ceiling_Cat> btw, for those who didn't hear
2008-01-07 20:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Sandy is leaving as our press spokesperson, and Jay Walsh (formerly of the CBC) will be replacing her
2008-01-07 20:30 * Ceiling_Cat <3 Sandy
2008-01-07 20:30 < The359> SALEM, N.H. - Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign stop was interrupted on Monday when two men stood in the crowd and began screaming, "Iron my shirt!" during one the New York senator's final appearances before New Hampshire voters cast primary ballots Tuesday.
2008-01-07 20:31 < The359> The two men were removed from the hall after raising a pair of signs that said, "iron my shirt!" They also shouted the same slogan.
2008-01-07 20:31 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: I see what you did there. The man is implying they can spend 30 minutes having sex, but the woman humorously counfounds him implication by instead implying it will rather take 2 minutes, which insults his sexual prowess
2008-01-07 20:31 * gwern lols just a little
2008-01-07 20:31 < Ceiling_Cat> gwern - well when you put it like that
2008-01-07 20:31 * Ceiling_Cat retracts his lulz
2008-01-07 20:31 < gwern> The359: they should've asked her what's the frequency
2008-01-07 20:33 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-07 20:33 < NotACow> TURKEY LOAF!
2008-01-07 20:34 * ST47 sighs at his failure of an orchestra
2008-01-07 20:35 < ST47> DEATH TO FAIR USE!
2008-01-07 20:41 < jtizzle1854> I see that the wikipedia fundraiser is over what was the total price that they got for donations? did they say?
2008-01-07 20:42 < Messedrocker> over a million dollars
2008-01-07 20:42 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-07 20:43 < The359> One MILLION dollars!
2008-01-07 20:43 < jtizzle1854> where can I find that on the wikipedia site?
2008-01-07 20:43 < lc2> which might pay for the rent on their new bay area offices
2008-01-07 20:43 < lc2> fucktards.
2008-01-07 20:43 < TheWeasel> Czesc.
2008-01-07 20:43 < lc2> hi TheWeasel
2008-01-07 20:43 < jtizzle1854> czesc? what's that word? what's the mean? is that english?
2008-01-07 20:44 < TheWeasel> Polish for "hello"
2008-01-07 20:44 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-07 20:44 < jtizzle1854> are you polish?
2008-01-07 20:45 < TheWeasel> nope
2008-01-07 20:45 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-07 20:48 < jtizzle1854> where's it say on wikipedia that people donated a million dollars?
2008-01-07 20:50 < jtizzle1854> ?
2008-01-07 20:50 < Lubaf> Random question: Does cardboard ever come in a box?
2008-01-07 20:50 < ST47> I suppose you could have a box of boxes?
2008-01-07 20:51 < jtizzle1854> hey where on on wikipedia say that people donated a million dollars?
2008-01-07 20:51 * Lubaf got a 20Q for christmas, and was trying to see if it could guess "cardboard".
2008-01-07 20:51 < Lubaf> Nope.
2008-01-07 20:51 < Cyrius> jtizzle1854: chill, I'm looking.
2008-01-07 20:51 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-07 20:51 < Cyrius> http://donate.wikimedia.org/en/node/22
2008-01-07 20:52 < Messedrocker> ah, bioshack
2008-01-07 20:52 < Messedrocker> bioshock*
2008-01-07 20:52 < Messedrocker> haven't played YOU in a while!
2008-01-07 20:52 < Lubaf> Bioshuck.
2008-01-07 20:53 < Lubaf> Bioshit?
2008-01-07 20:53 < Lubaf> Bioshlock?
2008-01-07 20:53 < Cyrius> Bioschlock
2008-01-07 20:53 < Lubaf> Biostock?
2008-01-07 20:53 < Messedrocker> Bioschlong
2008-01-07 20:53 < ST47> >.>
2008-01-07 20:53 < Messedrocker> my game is unusually green
2008-01-07 20:53 < The359> I'd assume it comes on flat pallets, Lubaf
2008-01-07 20:53 < Messedrocker> i think i forgot a plug
2008-01-07 20:53 * ST47 whacks Lubaf
2008-01-07 20:53 < jtizzle1854> ?
2008-01-07 20:53 < Lubaf> Biosmock?
2008-01-07 20:53 < Lubaf> Biotalk?
2008-01-07 20:53 < jtizzle1854> where does that say it cyrius?
2008-01-07 20:54 < jtizzle1854> how much was donated
2008-01-07 20:54 < Lubaf> Bioshot?
2008-01-07 20:54 < jtizzle1854> i went there
2008-01-07 20:54 < Cyrius> aaand?
2008-01-07 20:54 < Lubaf> The359: Yes, but do those pallets come in a box?
2008-01-07 20:54 < jtizzle1854> wait
2008-01-07 20:54 < jtizzle1854> wrong site
2008-01-07 20:54 < jtizzle1854> !
2008-01-07 20:54 < The359> no, pallets are made of wood
2008-01-07 20:54 < jtizzle1854> never mind
2008-01-07 20:54 < The359> then the cardboard is stacked, flat on the pallet
2008-01-07 20:54 < The359> and most likely shrinkwrapped
2008-01-07 20:55 < jtizzle1854> you can have a box in a box in a box in a box
2008-01-07 20:55 < jtizzle1854> you can have infinite boxes in boxes
2008-01-07 20:55 < Cyrius> there's often bits of cardboard and smaller boxes inside a box
2008-01-07 20:55 < Cyrius> but I wouldn't consider that as cardboard "coming in a box"
2008-01-07 20:55 < jtizzle1854> well you can have a lot of boxes inside boxes
2008-01-07 20:55 < Romney08> GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "And further, if I were fortunate enough to be elected your President, I'd call for a National Summit of Nations to create a new partnership – a Partnership for [Progress] and Prosperity."
2008-01-07 20:55 < Romney08> "This Partnership would assemble the resources of all the nations of the world to work to assure that Islamic states that are threatened with violent Jihad have public schools that are not Wahhabi madrasas; that they have micro-credit and banking, the rule of law, human rights, basic health care, and competitive economic practices." (Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks At Yeshiva University, 4/26/07)
2008-01-07 20:56 < ST47> Romney's a horrible candidate anyway.
2008-01-07 20:56 < ST47> ;)
2008-01-07 20:56 < Lubaf> I'm happy Obama's currently winning.
2008-01-07 20:56 < ST47> (A political convorsation shall NOT ensue)
2008-01-07 20:56 < jtizzle1854> who's the COO on wikipedia since the one they had was a felon
2008-01-07 20:57 < jtizzle1854> ??
2008-01-07 20:57 < ^demon> No one.
2008-01-07 20:57 < Lubaf> If nothing else, because I find Hillary and Edwards annoying.
2008-01-07 20:57 < Lubaf> jtizzle1854: She was just a glorified office manager.
2008-01-07 20:57 < Lubaf> So the title was unnecessary.
2008-01-07 20:57 < ^demon> jtizzle1854: I guess those duties fall to Sue/Erik now.
2008-01-07 20:58 < ^demon> Which I /still/ haven't figured out what his new job entails.
2008-01-07 20:58 < ^demon> But anyway.
2008-01-07 20:58 < jtizzle1854> a glorified office manager?
2008-01-07 20:59 < jtizzle1854> lubaf
2008-01-07 20:59 < gwern> 'When reporters interviewed me in the 70's and 80's about the possibilities for Artificial Intelligence I would always say that we would have machines that are as smart as we are within my lifetime. It seemed a safe answer since no one could ever tell me I was wrong. '
2008-01-07 20:59 < jtizzle1854> how was she glorified
2008-01-07 20:59 < jtizzle1854> ?
2008-01-07 20:59 < Lubaf> jtizzle1854: Her title.
2008-01-07 20:59 < gwern> jtizzle1854: she was lifted on high and taken to the left hand of our father
2008-01-07 20:59 < Lubaf> Wikimedia is not big enough to need a COO, at present.
2008-01-07 20:59 < gwern> (where she resides in glory?)
2008-01-07 20:59 < ^demon> Nor do they need a duputy ED, but who am I to disagree?
2008-01-07 21:00 < gwern> much like Elijah was glorified, I believe the term goes
2008-01-07 21:00 < Lubaf> ^demon: ED?
2008-01-07 21:00 < jtizzle1854> what's a ED?
2008-01-07 21:00 < ^demon> Executive Director.
2008-01-07 21:00 < ^demon> ie Sue.
2008-01-07 21:00 < Messedrocker> COME BACK WHEN YOU GET SOME MONEY, BUDDY!
2008-01-07 21:00 < The359> Editor Deluxe
2008-01-07 21:00 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-07 21:00 < ^demon> And her deupty is Erik.
2008-01-07 21:00 < Lubaf> ^demon: Depends on whether he's getting paid or not.
2008-01-07 21:00 < Amgine> Good timezone ^demon
2008-01-07 21:00 < jtizzle1854> so who manages wikimedia foundation's money now?
2008-01-07 21:00 < jtizzle1854> Erik??
2008-01-07 21:00 < ^demon> Lubaf: He is, she annoucned it on foundation-l.
2008-01-07 21:01 < ^demon> jtizzle1854: Well, I can't remember where in bylaws it says manages it.
2008-01-07 21:01 < ^demon> Amgine: Huh?
2008-01-07 21:01 < Amgine> Hi.
2008-01-07 21:01 < ^demon> Oh :-P
2008-01-07 21:01 < ^demon> Hi
2008-01-07 21:01 < jtizzle1854> Erik is a she?
2008-01-07 21:01 < Amgine> Good {time of day in your timezone}
2008-01-07 21:01 < ^demon> No, Sue announced it.
2008-01-07 21:02 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-07 21:02 < jtizzle1854> who's sue?
2008-01-07 21:02 < ^demon> The ED of the Foundation.
2008-01-07 21:02 < Amgine> Sue Gardner, Executive Director.
2008-01-07 21:02 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-07 21:04 < jtizzle1854> I have britannica dvd and I looked up wikipedia and the said about it that most of their articles are pop culture do y'all agree? and what exactly is pop culture they must have a lot of popular culture cause they have more than 1 million articles
2008-01-07 21:04 < Cyrius> "they"
2008-01-07 21:05 < ^demon> Well, seeing as every 3rd article is an article about a CD you've never heard of from some BritSynthEmoRapTranceCore band from Thailand you've never hard of.
2008-01-07 21:05 < jtizzle1854> i mean they is the wikipedia articles
2008-01-07 21:05 < TheWeasel> Or some minor comic character.
2008-01-07 21:05 * Mike_H found a documentary to watch
2008-01-07 21:06 < Mike_H> "Escape from Berlin"
2008-01-07 21:06 < jtizzle1854> what i mean by they is the wikipedia articles
2008-01-07 21:06 < ^demon> And I'm saying yes, it's largely a pile of crap.
2008-01-07 21:06 < Cyrius> you repeat yourself a lot, please don't
2008-01-07 21:06 < jtizzle1854> well i didn't know if you knew what i was talking about
2008-01-07 21:07 < TheWeasel> just saying we got it the first time around
2008-01-07 21:07 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-07 21:07 < ^demon> I haven't edited actively in weeks, so it might've changed.
2008-01-07 21:07 < jtizzle1854> what do you mean every third article?
2008-01-07 21:07 < jtizzle1854> demon?
2008-01-07 21:07 < Cyrius> one in three
2008-01-07 21:08 < ^demon> ^ That
2008-01-07 21:08 * TheWeasel finds the "pile of crap" conclusion rash
2008-01-07 21:08 * kibble huggles ^demon
2008-01-07 21:08 < jtizzle1854> oh
2008-01-07 21:09 * ^demon huggles back
2008-01-07 21:09 < TheWeasel> but we do have a proportion problem
2008-01-07 21:09 < jtizzle1854> what is popular culture?
2008-01-07 21:09 < ^demon> TheWeasel: Yes, we do.
2008-01-07 21:09 < The359> If every 3rd article is a band we've never heard of
2008-01-07 21:09 < The359> Then that's not pop culture
2008-01-07 21:09 < Cyrius> CDs, film characters, tv show episodes
2008-01-07 21:09 < Cyrius> stuff like that
2008-01-07 21:10 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-01-07 21:11 < gwern> and the every third thing isn't even true. go special:random spelunking sometime
2008-01-07 21:11 < TheWeasel> Agreed.
2008-01-07 21:11 < gwern> I just hit special:random three times, and got a medieval painter, a highschool, and a football player
2008-01-07 21:11 < gwern> hardly 'CDs, film characters, tv show episodes'
2008-01-07 21:12 * Cyrius just got [[Berlin Wine Tastings]]
2008-01-07 21:12 < TheWeasel> Still, the level of work that goes into those pop culture things could possibly be better used elsewhere
2008-01-07 21:12 < ^demon> I love all the highschools too.
2008-01-07 21:12 < gwern> now, every third page people actually, y'know, *read* may be those, but that says more about our readers than us
2008-01-07 21:12 < The359> People write about what they know
2008-01-07 21:12 < The359> Can't expect people to write about the things they don't know anything about
2008-01-07 21:12 * TheWeasel is not opposed to high school articles in principle
2008-01-07 21:12 < The359> Even if it is important to us
2008-01-07 21:12 < gwern> TheWeasel: do you really believe that the pokemon editors would go write about German philosophy if we deleted their articles?
2008-01-07 21:13 < TheWeasel> Of course I don't
2008-01-07 21:13 < gwern> if anything, allowing those articles gets them to write others. I work on anime articles - and classic Japanese poetry and poets
2008-01-07 21:13 < TheWeasel> We'd probably just get drastically fewer constructive contributions
2008-01-07 21:13 < gwern> did I start with hard-core encyclopedic stuff like [[Medici bank]]? no, I started editing stuff like [[Neon Genesis Evangelion (TV)]]
2008-01-07 21:13 < ^demon> TheWeasel: I'm not either, I'm just opposed to the non-notable ones.
2008-01-07 21:13 < rtc> Hi! Can somebody please help me at [[Hacker]]? Somebody tries to push a complete revision of the article and started an editwar. I now tried a RFC, but he removed it. Please help!
2008-01-07 21:14 < TheWeasel> Notability is a wearisome concept.
2008-01-07 21:14 < ^demon> True.
2008-01-07 21:14 < The359> put the RFC back, rtc
2008-01-07 21:14 * TheWeasel has inclusionist sympathies even though the proportions get a bit problematic
2008-01-07 21:15 * TheWeasel 's first article was on a paralympic discipline
2008-01-07 21:15 < ^demon> I've never written any from-scratch articles, but I've been getting back in to editing recently. It's been much more enjoyable.
2008-01-07 21:16 < Cyrius> is there a template "this article never actually says what the thing is?"
2008-01-07 21:16 < yelyos> I wrote [[ENDA]], which has seen an awful lot of work lately
2008-01-07 21:16 < ^demon> Cyrius: Yes, {{db-nonsense}}
2008-01-07 21:16 < yelyos> it's very interesting to see an article one wrote suddenly explode
2008-01-07 21:16 < Cyrius> no, it's not nonsense, it just never comes out and defines the subject
2008-01-07 21:16 < TheWeasel> Cyrius: Lack of proper definition is one of my worst pet peeves
2008-01-07 21:17 < Cyrius> it just kind of talks about it
2008-01-07 21:17 < TheWeasel> I never know how to deal with it myself, except to look for a succinct definition elsewhere
2008-01-07 21:17 < Cyrius> {{context}} is close enough
2008-01-07 21:17 < TheWeasel> and insert it myself
2008-01-07 21:17 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-01-07 21:17 < TheWeasel> usually it's just "X is a town in Y"
2008-01-07 21:18 < TheWeasel> or something
2008-01-07 21:18 < TheWeasel> people usually write a series of those things
2008-01-07 21:19 < TheWeasel> and think it's obvious to everyone because it's obvious to them
2008-01-07 21:19 < Ausir> Stewart and Colbert are back today
2008-01-07 21:19 < Ausir> or rather tonight
2008-01-07 21:19 < Cyrius> sans writers
2008-01-07 21:19 < TheWeasel> after all, they already said it in the previous article of the series
2008-01-07 21:19 < Cyrius> I wonder how that's going to go
2008-01-07 21:19 < rtc> Can somebody please have a look at the hacker article?
2008-01-07 21:19 < Rinn> Has it been hacked?
2008-01-07 21:19 < rtc> I don't want to put the RFC back in because it's probably then going to start another editwar
2008-01-07 21:20 < NotACow> the foundation should put up a sign "HELP WANTED: EXPERIENCED CAT HERDER. APPLY WITHIN."
2008-01-07 21:20 * TheWeasel hisses and scratches
2008-01-07 21:20 < Cyrius> meow.
2008-01-07 21:21 < ^demon> NotACow: Can't be any worse than the "Omg server error give us money" page.
2008-01-07 21:22 < Cyrius> rtc: I assume you mean Andrew81446?
2008-01-07 21:22 < rtc> Cyrius: yes
2008-01-07 21:23 < Cyrius> ugh, it's that stupid "definition of hacker" argument
2008-01-07 21:24 < rtc> Cyrius: The article was quite balanced and tried to describe all views, not he's coming and saying that it must all me different
2008-01-07 21:24 < rtc> not => now
2008-01-07 21:24 < Cyrius> and he's ranting on the talk page, great
2008-01-07 21:24 < rtc> Cyrius: There was hardly any participation of other users ont he talk page about the issue
2008-01-07 21:25 < Cyrius> he's not going to be convinced
2008-01-07 21:28 < rtc> So let him do?
2008-01-07 21:28 < rtc> I don't want to waste my time with such discussions
2008-01-07 21:31 < Cyrius> ..._why_ is he using end notes to define things we have articles for?
2008-01-07 21:31 < rtc> Because this is the POV he wants to push
2008-01-07 21:32 < rtc> he seems to have some anti-US-English bias
2008-01-07 21:32 < rtc> or anti-US-bias in general
2008-01-07 21:33 * Cyrius grumbles about [[WP:SPA]]s
2008-01-07 21:34 < gwern> hey. How can you shoot women and civilians?
2008-01-07 21:35 < redflux> i think with a machine gun is possible
2008-01-07 21:35 < kmccoy> Holy crap. I can use my phone as a wireless webcam. :P
2008-01-07 21:35 < redflux> :)
2008-01-07 21:35 < gwern> redflux: oh, it's easy. you just don't lead them so much
2008-01-07 21:35 < gwern> (ain't war hell?)
2008-01-07 21:35 < Cyrius> rtc: it's a mess. I don't see a solution that doesn't involve a drawn-out process
2008-01-07 21:36 < rtc> Cyrius: Ok, so I'll let him do and hope for other people to notice.
2008-01-07 21:37 < redflux> gwern: i was kidding, not following the chat at all, sorry for any inconvenience
2008-01-07 21:37 < gwern> 'As a resident of the "Live Free or Die" state, I'll concede that the New Hampshire presidential primary gives us ridiculously disproportionate influence. But I love the fact that my state's electoral power comes with a great fringe benefit: It's easy to enshrine the next president in your family scrapbook. A sucker for political kitsch, I set out to photograph my 5-month-old daughter, Dahlia, in the arms of every candidate with a prayer of making ...
2008-01-07 21:37 < gwern> ... it to the White House.'
2008-01-07 21:38 < gwern> huh. she got everyone except fred thompson
2008-01-07 21:39 < LuciferTiger_> lol that old fart
2008-01-07 21:39 < LuciferTiger_> worry not. he wont get to the white house
2008-01-07 21:39 < LuciferTiger_> good strategy though gwern
2008-01-07 21:40 < gwern> 'One of my favorite examples: Participants in an experiment were offered a choice of films to watch. Depending on whether the film was to be watched immediately or in a few days, the subjects chose something light, like Mrs. Doubtfire, or something character-building, such as Schindler's List. When offered the chance to change their minds at the last minute, many who had signed up for a highbrow experience buckled and grabbed something less ...
2008-01-07 21:40 < gwern> ... challenging.'
2008-01-07 21:41 < LuciferTiger_> lol
2008-01-07 21:41 * Ceiling_Cat huggles gwern's precious innocence
2008-01-07 21:42 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: my precious!
2008-01-07 21:42 < EdBoy> :o
2008-01-07 21:42 * EdBoy envies his friend
2008-01-07 21:42 < EdBoy> she bought jimmy wales dinner in berlin!
2008-01-07 21:43 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpGFFvZG6XQ
2008-01-07 21:43 < gwern> wait, you *envy* her for shelling out someone a free meal?
2008-01-07 21:43 * gwern knows how EdBoy can get said friend to envy him, real easy...
2008-01-07 21:44 < EdBoy> how
2008-01-07 21:44 < EdBoy> well she met jimmy wales
2008-01-07 21:44 < Ceiling_Cat> "Okay, think of what little patience I have as, oh I don't know, your virginity. You always thought it would be there until that night Junior year when you were feeling a little down about yourself and your pal Kevin, who just wanted to be friends, well he dropped by. And he brought a copy of 'About Last Night' and a four-pack of Bartel's and James and ba-dow hoo-hoo-hoo it was gone forever. Just like my patience is now."
2008-01-07 21:44 * Mike_H NP: The Cardigans - Lovefool (1996)
2008-01-07 21:44 < gwern> buy me a dinnger in Berlin!
2008-01-07 21:44 < EdBoy> Mike_H: I like that song :o
2008-01-07 21:44 < EdBoy> gwern: she doesn't know who you are!
2008-01-07 21:44 < Mike_H> EdBoy: love me love me
2008-01-07 21:44 < Mike_H> say that you love me!
2008-01-07 21:44 < LuciferTiger_> Fool me Fool me
2008-01-07 21:44 < Mike_H> go on and fool me
2008-01-07 21:45 < LuciferTiger_> the gal is super cute too
2008-01-07 21:45 < Mike_H> the bluest eyes.
2008-01-07 21:45 < LuciferTiger_> yup
2008-01-07 21:45 < gwern> EdBoy: she could!
2008-01-07 21:45 < Mike_H> music video: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ddT2QmVnJiQ
2008-01-07 21:45 < Mike_H> This song played on the radio non-stop in late 1996, early 1997
2008-01-07 21:45 < EdBoy> she died
2008-01-07 21:45 < Mike_H> She died?!
2008-01-07 21:45 < EdBoy> no
2008-01-07 21:46 < EdBoy> :D
2008-01-07 21:46 < Mike_H> you bitch.
2008-01-07 21:46 < EdBoy> didn't she die in the my favorite game video
2008-01-07 21:46 < EdBoy> or something
2008-01-07 21:46 < EdBoy> someone got like decapitated or something
2008-01-07 21:46 < EdBoy> I don't remember
2008-01-07 21:46 < Mike_H> Her hair is brown now :/
2008-01-07 21:46 < LuciferTiger_> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gvh2KJ2IA0s&feature=related
2008-01-07 21:46 < LuciferTiger_> cuter gal in this one
2008-01-07 21:46 < Mike_H> Nina Persson (help�Einfo) (born Nina Elisabet Persson September 6, 1974 in Orebro, Sweden) is the lead singer of the Swedish pop group The Cardigans.
2008-01-07 21:46 < Mike_H> [[Nina Persson]]
2008-01-07 21:48 < LuciferTiger_> [[Nina Persson]] and [[Claire Danes]]
2008-01-07 21:48 < gwern> everyone! Aeris dies!
2008-01-07 21:48 < yelyos> And Darth Vader is Luke's father
2008-01-07 21:49 < Mike_H> Chart (1996) Peak
2008-01-07 21:49 < Mike_H> position
2008-01-07 21:49 < Mike_H> U.S. Billboard Hot 100 Airplay 1
2008-01-07 21:49 < Mike_H> That must be why I could never get away from that song in 1996-1997.
2008-01-07 21:49 < LuciferTiger_> Jesus Dies. Pg 601
2008-01-07 21:49 < cimon> so did the New Hampshire returns already come?
2008-01-07 21:49 < TheWeasel> Jesus dies?
2008-01-07 21:49 < Mike_H> cimon: No, because it doesn't happen until tomorrow
2008-01-07 21:49 < EdBoy> spoiler: you just lost the game
2008-01-07 21:49 < TheWeasel> I'm reading the Bible today, you shouldn't have spoilt it!
2008-01-07 21:50 < Mike_H> cimon: The vast majority of elections in the United States occur on Tuesdays.
2008-01-07 21:50 < kmccoy> This is great. There's a whole community of developers for Symbian, so there's all sorts of software and such for my phone.
2008-01-07 21:50 < LuciferTiger_> cuz they dont want u to go
2008-01-07 21:50 < Dtobias> {{spoiler-warning}} but Jesus comes back from the grave.
2008-01-07 21:50 < Rinn> Simple Simon's has a buffet on Tuesdays!
2008-01-07 21:50 < cimon> what, hmm, we are still in monday there..
2008-01-07 21:50 < Mike_H> with our national elections occurring the first Tuesday in November
2008-01-07 21:50 < Mike_H> cimon: Yes, it's 9:50 p.m. in New York
2008-01-07 21:50 < Mike_H> and 6:50 p.m. in Los Angeles
2008-01-07 21:50 < Mike_H> on Monday.
2008-01-07 21:50 < Rinn> So does Pizza Hut, I think. But they're too expensive.
2008-01-07 21:51 < TheWeasel> The Ballad of Jesus and Yoko
2008-01-07 21:51 * cimon waves back at monday...
2008-01-07 21:51 < TheWeasel> "the way things are going, they're gonna crucify me"
2008-01-07 21:51 < LuciferTiger_> try around 25-30 hours later for final results
2008-01-07 21:51 * cimon goes back to sleep...
2008-01-07 21:51 < Mike_H> cimon: New Hampshire is a small state
2008-01-07 21:52 < Mike_H> no doubt everything will be released 24 hours from now
2008-01-07 21:52 < Mike_H> or around 10 p.m. New York time
2008-01-07 21:52 < EdBoy> I tripped over rhode island once!
2008-01-07 21:52 < Mike_H> Who hasn't?
2008-01-07 21:52 < EdBoy> TheWeasel: bigger than jesus?
2008-01-07 21:52 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat lives in this mythical land
2008-01-07 21:53 < Mike_H> unbeknownst to all other Americans
2008-01-07 21:53 < EdBoy> well
2008-01-07 21:53 < EdBoy> he is ceiling cat
2008-01-07 21:53 < Mike_H> where there is no sales tax.
2008-01-07 21:53 < EdBoy> :P
2008-01-07 21:53 < Mike_H> It's called De La Ware.
2008-01-07 21:53 < EdBoy> :O
2008-01-07 21:53 < TheWeasel> no man, Jesus was the baddest mofo in Judea.
2008-01-07 21:53 < EdBoy> from the ware?
2008-01-07 21:53 < Mike_H> Of the ware.
2008-01-07 21:53 < EdBoy> jesus was pimping
2008-01-07 21:53 < EdBoy> Mike_H: of the warez
2008-01-07 21:53 < Mike_H> He was showing off his warez.
2008-01-07 21:53 < Mike_H> With no sales tax.
2008-01-07 21:54 < EdBoy> that's because they're warez
2008-01-07 21:54 < EdBoy> duhhh
2008-01-07 21:54 * TheWeasel saw chinatown yesterday
2008-01-07 21:54 < TheWeasel> fun flick with a strangely abrupt end
2008-01-07 21:54 < Mike_H> Jesus could charge sales tax if he wanted.
2008-01-07 21:54 < Mike_H> He's good like that.
2008-01-07 21:54 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: The '70s movie?
2008-01-07 21:54 < TheWeasel> Jesus could raise the sales tax by 2500% AND be re-elected
2008-01-07 21:54 < TheWeasel> yes
2008-01-07 21:54 < LuciferTiger_> No, That 70s Show
2008-01-07 21:55 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: He's better than Gerry Ford!
2008-01-07 21:55 < Mike_H> but then again, Jesus wouldn't say that Poland wasn't dominated by the Soviet Union.
2008-01-07 21:55 < TheWeasel> Read my lips: New taxes when I say so, kthx.
2008-01-07 21:56 < EdBoy> R_enwiki|away: you were totally the NSA
2008-01-07 21:56 < TheWeasel> I was two oil barrels.
2008-01-07 21:57 < Mike_H> While Ford was seen as the winner of the first debate, during the second debate he inexplicably blundered when he stated, "There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe and there never will be under a Ford Administration."
2008-01-07 21:57 < TheWeasel> (that was a 90s metal recycling ad)
2008-01-07 21:57 < Mike_H> Ford also said that he did not "believe that the Poles consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union."[81]
2008-01-07 21:57 < EdBoy> ford was also the cookie monster
2008-01-07 21:57 < TheWeasel> that was a weird statement in 1976
2008-01-07 21:57 < Mike_H> In an interview years later, Ford said he had intended to imply that the Soviets would never crush the spirits of eastern Europeans seeking independence. However, the phrasing was so awkward that questioner Max Frankel was visibly incredulous at the response.[82]
2008-01-07 21:57 < EdBoy> would've been weirder in 1992
2008-01-07 21:57 < Mike_H> lulz.
2008-01-07 21:58 < TheWeasel> that was mostly pre-organized opposition
2008-01-07 21:58 < TheWeasel> well, yea, it's still wrong, because domination is a physical thing to most people
2008-01-07 21:59 < TheWeasel> the question was not "are all Poles pro-Soviet zombies"
2008-01-07 21:59 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: I'm reading the transcript, and yeah, he said it pretty stupidly
2008-01-07 21:59 < TheWeasel> i.e. brainwashed
2008-01-07 21:59 < Mike_H> FORD: It just isn't true�c There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe and there never will be under a Ford administration.
2008-01-07 21:59 < Mike_H> MR. FRANKEL: I'm sorry, I - could I just follow - did I understand you to say, sir, that the Russians are not using Eastern Europe as their own sphere of influence in occupying most of the countries there and making sure with their troops that it's a Communist zone?
2008-01-07 21:59 < TheWeasel> there you go
2008-01-07 22:00 < TheWeasel> thats a political, not a psychological question
2008-01-07 22:00 < EdBoy> those pesky soviets
2008-01-07 22:00 < Mike_H> PRESIDENT FORD: I don't believe, - Mr. Frankel that - the Yugoslavians consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union. I don't believe that the Rumanians consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union. I don't believe that the Poles consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union.
2008-01-07 22:00 < EdBoy> and their pesky peskiness
2008-01-07 22:00 < TheWeasel> Yugoslavia and Romania - Mr Ford - are different ballgames altogether. :-)
2008-01-07 22:00 < Mike_H> Not to Americans in 1976
2008-01-07 22:01 < Mike_H> everything behind the Iron Curtain was the same to Americans
2008-01-07 22:01 < EdBoy> but of course
2008-01-07 22:01 < EdBoy> you can't see behind it
2008-01-07 22:01 < EdBoy> it is a curtain after all
2008-01-07 22:01 < TheWeasel> still, though it was characterless to pardon Nixon, Gerry was still one of the non-erratic Republicans
2008-01-07 22:02 < EdBoy> is goplat's quit message referring to 2038?
2008-01-07 22:02 < yelyos> UNIX time overload?
2008-01-07 22:02 < TheWeasel> but Poland of all countries had a very determined oppressive government at that time
2008-01-07 22:02 < TheWeasel> while Gomulka had been fairly independent
2008-01-07 22:02 < Ceiling_Cat> yelyos - the unix epoch
2008-01-07 22:02 < Ceiling_Cat> I asked [[David L. Mills]] about that
2008-01-07 22:03 < yelyos> yeah, that's exactly it
2008-01-07 22:03 < Ceiling_Cat> his response was not... hopeful
2008-01-07 22:03 < yelyos> 19th of January
2008-01-07 22:03 < Ceiling_Cat> "Oh thank god I'll be dead" I think were his exact words
2008-01-07 22:03 * Ceiling_Cat chuckles
2008-01-07 22:04 < yelyos> I won't be
2008-01-07 22:04 < yelyos> hopefully
2008-01-07 22:04 < yelyos> I'll be 48
2008-01-07 22:04 < Ceiling_Cat> hopefully by then 64 or 128 bit machines and code will be standardized
2008-01-07 22:05 < Ceiling_Cat> hrm, I guess it will have to be 128
2008-01-07 22:05 < Ceiling_Cat> (the unix epoc occurs when 64 rolls over)
2008-01-07 22:05 < Ceiling_Cat> no
2008-01-07 22:05 < Ceiling_Cat> I take it back - the unix epoch occurs when 32 bit unsigned ints roll over
2008-01-07 22:05 < Cyrius> yes.
2008-01-07 22:05 < Cyrius> 2038 problem
2008-01-07 22:06 < Ceiling_Cat> so I guess we'll have to hope all unix systems by then use 64 bit ints
2008-01-07 22:06 < Cyrius> "The latest time that can be represented in this format, following the POSIX standard, is 03:14:07 UTC on Tuesday, January 19, 2038."
2008-01-07 22:06 < Mike_H> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=kVvmvVWymfg
2008-01-07 22:06 < Scott5114> No reason they couldn't just move the epoch is there?
2008-01-07 22:06 < Mike_H> I like this computer graphics intro from NBC
2008-01-07 22:06 < Cyrius> I think goplat's timing is off
2008-01-07 22:06 < Mike_H> this was back when computer FX were in their infancy
2008-01-07 22:06 < Scott5114> other than there being a lot of computers using it
2008-01-07 22:06 < Mike_H> I think NBC started them in 1976, and this is from 1979
2008-01-07 22:06 < Ceiling_Cat> But we're really only delaying the inevitable
2008-01-07 22:07 < Ceiling_Cat> if we move to 64 bit ints, the 2038 problem because the 292057778098 proble,
2008-01-07 22:07 < Cyrius> Scott5114: no easier than changing to 64-bit time
2008-01-07 22:07 < Ceiling_Cat> problem*
2008-01-07 22:07 < Ceiling_Cat> think of the children!!
2008-01-07 22:07 < Cyrius> harder, even, because you'd have to change all the data in the old data formats
2008-01-07 22:07 < Ceiling_Cat> Why, won't someone PLEASE think of the children?
2008-01-07 22:07 < Messedrocker> You mean the Zdumkt.
2008-01-07 22:07 < Ceiling_Cat> becomes*
2008-01-07 22:07 < Scott5114> by 2038 it'll seem pretty silly having the epoch in 1970
2008-01-07 22:07 < Messedrocker> Because in that many years we'll be speaking TJtgmet73∂.
2008-01-07 22:07 < Messedrocker> GJjgrij IEJij JEIJIEJEIJEI JTJJJ!!J mGM
2008-01-07 22:07 < Cyrius> Scott5114: if you reset the epoch, you have to change all data that refers to that epoch
2008-01-07 22:08 < Cyrius> all of it
2008-01-07 22:08 < Messedrocker> "KOCK IN DE ZDUMKT!"
2008-01-07 22:08 < Messedrocker> "Think of the children!"
2008-01-07 22:08 < Cyrius> think about it, it'd be like redefining the year 2008 as year 1
2008-01-07 22:08 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker- when is WW episode 40 coming out?
2008-01-07 22:08 < Cyrius> think of how much that would affect
2008-01-07 22:08 < Scott5114> any reason you couldn't just store the new data with a prefix?
2008-01-07 22:08 < Messedrocker> i don't know a fuck
2008-01-07 22:09 < Scott5114> course, that'd sort of reduce the capacity of the space
2008-01-07 22:09 < Cyrius> Scott5114: because it's harder than just going to 64-bit
2008-01-07 22:09 < Scott5114> wouldn't help much
2008-01-07 22:09 < Messedrocker> Today's date is January 7, 1
2008-01-07 22:09 < Scott5114> Why not make it 8 instead of 1?
2008-01-07 22:09 < Cyrius> why? what would that accomplish?
2008-01-07 22:09 < Messedrocker> make 2000 the epoch?
2008-01-07 22:09 < Scott5114> Sure, why not? Nice round number. :P
2008-01-07 22:09 < Cyrius> computers don't care about round numbers
2008-01-07 22:10 < Master_son> what about square ones?
2008-01-07 22:10 < Scott5114> Computers don't have to use computers though. :P
2008-01-07 22:10 < Messedrocker> they care about 6.02 x 10^23
2008-01-07 22:10 < Cyrius> they care about powers of 2
2008-01-07 22:10 < Messedrocker> That's NvA
2008-01-07 22:10 < ObsequiousEy2> moles!
2008-01-07 22:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker- actually, it would be year 0
2008-01-07 22:10 < Scott5114> of course we don't really want to turn our timekeeping system into [[California postmiles]]
2008-01-07 22:11 < Ceiling_Cat> an unsigned int rolls over to 0
2008-01-07 22:11 < Ceiling_Cat> (just like your odometer)
2008-01-07 22:11 < Cyrius> yeah, but posix time is signed
2008-01-07 22:11 < Messedrocker> µ˚˚˚∆˜EO!
2008-01-07 22:12 < Scott5114> hm...
2008-01-07 22:12 < Ceiling_Cat> oh, hrm
2008-01-07 22:12 * Messedrocker is speaking the futuristic language of the future non-2038 problem
2008-01-07 22:12 < Ceiling_Cat> so it doesn't roll over to 0, it rolls over to 0x10000000
2008-01-07 22:12 < Scott5114> perhaps instead of worry about it rolling over to zero, we could just add another byte or something
2008-01-07 22:12 < Ceiling_Cat> negative 0
2008-01-07 22:12 < yelyos> heh, I'm playing with this in IRC
2008-01-07 22:12 < Cyrius> that's not negative zero
2008-01-07 22:12 < Messedrocker> Scott5114, you mean four bytes
2008-01-07 22:12 < yelyos> well, mIRC
2008-01-07 22:13 < yelyos> it doesn't display timestamps if I set my clock to any date after doomsday
2008-01-07 22:13 < Cyrius> it's negative two and a bit billion
2008-01-07 22:13 < yelyos> but they work fine right up to it
2008-01-07 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> oh that's right, two's complement
2008-01-07 22:13 * Ceiling_Cat forgot
2008-01-07 22:13 < Cyrius> December 13, 1901
2008-01-07 22:13 < yelyos> it doesn't timestamp dates as 1901
2008-01-07 22:13 < yelyos> it just doesn't timestamp at all
2008-01-07 22:14 < Cyrius> that's an implementation detail
2008-01-07 22:15 < Cyrius> for doubters, the Y2038 problem has already been encountered
2008-01-07 22:16 < yelyos> that was the one billion seconds problem
2008-01-07 22:16 < Cyrius> that was the means, the problem was overflowing time_t
2008-01-07 22:17 < Cyrius> which is the same bug as 2038
2008-01-07 22:17 < yelyos> yeah
2008-01-07 22:19 < Cyrius> Scott5114: egad, I had no idea california was so perverse
2008-01-07 22:19 < Scott5114> Cyrius: Well, not only that, but much of their freeway signage hasn't been replaced since the 1960s.
2008-01-07 22:19 < Cyrius> they haven't? crazy
2008-01-07 22:20 < Scott5114> It's made out of near-indestructible stuff called "porcelain enamel"
2008-01-07 22:20 < Scott5114> which is incredibly expensive, but stands up to wear well
2008-01-07 22:20 < Cyrius> texas seems to do so every decade or two as they find better paints
2008-01-07 22:20 < Scott5114> so much of their signage, I've heard, has merely been patched over when the info changes
2008-01-07 22:20 < Scott5114> Well, these days, signs aren't painted
2008-01-07 22:20 < Scott5114> Reflective sheeting
2008-01-07 22:21 < Cyrius> better _stuff_
2008-01-07 22:21 < Cyrius> whatever it is
2008-01-07 22:21 < Scott5114> Texas is currently replacing their signs to change fonts
2008-01-07 22:21 < Cyrius> it seems like every few years TxDOT announces some new "more visible" thing to be seen on new signage
2008-01-07 22:21 < Messedrocker> wow
2008-01-07 22:21 < Messedrocker> how stingy of them
2008-01-07 22:21 < Lubaf> I don't care about the politics here, but I'm still left worndering:
2008-01-07 22:22 < Lubaf> Does anybody else find Hillary Clinton incredibly annoying?
2008-01-07 22:22 < kmccoy> They need to figure out how to paint city streets with something that isn't dissolved by salt and scraped up by plow blades.
2008-01-07 22:22 < Scott5114> Oh, and CA has used their freeway system's signs and their initial cost to justify not keeping them updated to federal standards.
2008-01-07 22:22 < Messedrocker> kmccoy, how about lazors?
2008-01-07 22:22 < NotASpy> magic marker. I'm a genius, problem solved.
2008-01-07 22:22 < Scott5114> the number of them, I mean
2008-01-07 22:22 < kmccoy> Messedrocker, lazors?
2008-01-07 22:22 < Ceiling_Cat> Lubaf - I tend to, yes, because she's the most ring wing democrat running
2008-01-07 22:22 < Ceiling_Cat> and for that reason, I can't stand her
2008-01-07 22:22 < Cyrius> kmccoy: they'd pretty much have to embed it into the road surface when laying it down
2008-01-07 22:22 < Ceiling_Cat> right-wing*
2008-01-07 22:23 < Scott5114> Most of California lacks exit numbers, for instance.
2008-01-07 22:23 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: I think he's asking about a visceral reaction, rather than a reasoned hatred
2008-01-07 22:23 < Messedrocker> "TxDOT" sounds like an engineering firm
2008-01-07 22:23 < Messedrocker> ajakakkak!!
2008-01-07 22:23 < kmccoy> They need to do something, Cyrius. :P
2008-01-07 22:23 < bunter_mann> hi, admins anwesend?
2008-01-07 22:23 < Scott5114> though FHWA forced them to begin adding them.
2008-01-07 22:23 < Scott5114> TxDOT is Texas Dept of Transportation
2008-01-07 22:23 < quanticle> kmccoy: There exists such a substance. It is called unobtanium
2008-01-07 22:23 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: I don't care about the politics; her manner of speech and overall screen presence is what I'm talking about.
2008-01-07 22:23 < Lubaf> Cyrius: Exactly, only on a non-political level.
2008-01-07 22:23 < Cyrius> Messedrocker: well, to some degree it is =)
2008-01-07 22:23 < Ceiling_Cat> Meh, no, I don't find her irritating for that reason
2008-01-07 22:23 < kmccoy> haha
2008-01-07 22:24 < bunter_mann> are wikipedia admins here?
2008-01-07 22:24 < Ceiling_Cat> bunter_mann - there's probably 50 in here right now
2008-01-07 22:24 < Cyrius> Lubaf: I've been avoiding listening to her
2008-01-07 22:24 < yelyos> quanticle: By the way, I found some phlebotinium down the street, want some?
2008-01-07 22:24 < quanticle> bunter_mann: Use the !admin stalkword
2008-01-07 22:24 < yelyos> They're nice green rocks
2008-01-07 22:24 < Cyrius> bunter_mann: if you need something, it's better to just ask
2008-01-07 22:24 < kmccoy> quanticle, there's no need to use it when there are plenty of us watching the channel already. It's just annoying. :)
2008-01-07 22:25 < NotASpy> there's lots of admins about. There's probably more admins in here than normal editors, or something.
2008-01-07 22:25 < Ceiling_Cat> and possibly a ceiling_crat or two :)
2008-01-07 22:25 < bunter_mann> there is an editwar at the german article "Asus EEE"
2008-01-07 22:25 < yelyos> yeah, even I'm one, that's scary
2008-01-07 22:25 < Ceiling_Cat> [sorry, bad pun, couldn't resist]
2008-01-07 22:25 < yelyos> oh, german admins