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2008-01-07 14:41 < quanticle> I haven't deleted anything for 6... 7 years now
2008-01-07 14:41 < Ceiling_Cat> what could you possible have that needs that much space?
2008-01-07 14:41 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't delete anything either (except spam email)
2008-01-07 14:41 < Ceiling_Cat> but even still...
2008-01-07 14:41 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Movies. Music. Linux DVDs
2008-01-07 14:41 < cimon> Mike_H, the problem I personally see with the whole US, is that your population is addicted to electing people who think they can screw over the rest of the world, and never lose any firends permanently..
2008-01-07 14:42 < quanticle> cimon: Insamuch as our electorate even acknowledges that the rest of the world exists
2008-01-07 14:42 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - a years worth of music is only like 500 gigs
2008-01-07 14:43 < Ceiling_Cat> (that's one year with no repeats, at a reasonable encoding rate)
2008-01-07 14:43 < cimon> quanticle, right, Mike Huckabee showed that he was following in the footsteps of dubya with his comment about the instability in pakistan being something related to US immigration problems...
2008-01-07 14:43 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: i have a 1.5 TB storage array that is completely full
2008-01-07 14:43 < Ceiling_Cat> of what, praytell?
2008-01-07 14:44 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: backup and archive data
2008-01-07 14:44 < NotACow> copies of frequently modified files, and infrequently accessed ones
2008-01-07 14:46 < Ceiling_Cat> One voter noted that Paul was running hard-hitting ads that pledged a crackdown on illegal immigration. He suggested that the campaign promise would entail a beefed up federal bureaucracy and would be inconsistent with Paul's philosophy of reduced government.
2008-01-07 14:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Paul said his plan would not mean more federal employees, but rather would bring home border guards now serving in Iraq.
2008-01-07 14:46 < Ceiling_Cat> How quiant -- too bad it's illegal
2008-01-07 14:46 < Schroeder> "Come in," she said, "I'll give ya shelter from the storm."
2008-01-07 14:47 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, astronomical imaging from ever more detailed telescopes can easily drain huge memory supplies.
2008-01-07 14:47 < LuciferTiger> Not a word was spoke between us, there was little risk involved
2008-01-07 14:48 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - I conceed that for large scientific applications, large data storage is necessary
2008-01-07 14:48 < cimon> Amusing isn't it that they only quite recently discovered the rock that may hit Mars very shortly.
2008-01-07 14:48 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm not talking about that -- Im talking about what a home user could possibly do with a terabyte hard drive
2008-01-07 14:49 < LuciferTiger> fill it up with downloads and dvd rips?
2008-01-07 14:49 < NotACow> my camera generates 10 MB image files
2008-01-07 14:49 < Ceiling_Cat> nice
2008-01-07 14:49 < NotACow> 10,000 images will fill a terabyte
2008-01-07 14:49 < Ceiling_Cat> oh, that reminds me
2008-01-07 14:49 < NotACow> er, 100,000 images
2008-01-07 14:49 < NotACow> that's not all that many pictures
2008-01-07 14:49 < Ceiling_Cat> those bastards at panasonic never responded to my tech support request
2008-01-07 14:49 < NotACow> i routinely take three to five hundred pictures in a single day's shooting
2008-01-07 14:50 * Ceiling_Cat wants a firmware upgrade to fix the defective movies shot by his camera
2008-01-07 14:50 < Ceiling_Cat> apparently they don't follow the quicktime standard
2008-01-07 14:50 < NotACow> dear lord
2008-01-07 14:50 < NotACow> boeing has gone INSANE
2008-01-07 14:50 < Ceiling_Cat> ?
2008-01-07 14:50 < Schroeder> LuciferTiger: Drove that car as far as we could, abandoned it out west...
2008-01-07 14:50 < NotACow> they used the same network for their onboard avionics as they did for the passenger public internet
2008-01-07 14:50 < Schroeder> err
2008-01-07 14:50 < Schroeder> wait
2008-01-07 14:50 < Schroeder> wrong somg
2008-01-07 14:50 < Schroeder> song
2008-01-07 14:50 < Schroeder> right album
2008-01-07 14:50 < Schroeder> but wrong song
2008-01-07 14:50 < Schroeder> NotACow: that's fucked up
2008-01-07 14:52 < NotACow> http://techdirt.com/articles/20080107/024746.shtml
2008-01-07 14:52 < LuciferTiger> NotACow: Interesting. Has it led to any "stuff" yet?\
2008-01-07 14:52 < NotACow> LuciferTiger: the FAA is squawking
2008-01-07 14:52 < Schroeder> we'll see it on comp.risks soon enough
2008-01-07 14:53 < Retsbol> pff what a load of crap
2008-01-07 14:54 < NotACow> it could easily be a load of FUD, too
2008-01-07 14:55 < quanticle> Retsbol: Planeload of crap?
2008-01-07 14:55 * Drunken_Idiot dances happly around the room
2008-01-07 14:55 < Retsbol> heh
2008-01-07 14:56 * Ceiling_Cat watches Drunken_Idiot
2008-01-07 14:56 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, Imagine a movie that has been shot completely 3D, to a resolution that you can see every pore on the actors flesh, if you zoom enough, where the viewer can choose the camera-angles where s/he is viewing each time they go through the movie, and can stop, zoom in and out... just explore the whole universe of the story at will, like being their own director...
2008-01-07 14:56 < NotACow> FUD! ON A PLANE!
2008-01-07 14:56 < Lycurgus_> the actual best thing MS may have done is alert people to practices such as FUD and Embrace and Extend.
2008-01-07 14:56 < Retsbol> its hardly surprising that they don't want to have to rig two independent data links from a can travelling through the air at 600mph
2008-01-07 14:57 < Fabexplosive> Drunken_Idiot: your quit link is dropped
2008-01-07 14:57 < NotACow> Retsbol: and there's plenty of perfectly sound ways to do it, too
2008-01-07 14:57 < Retsbol> i highly doubt that the plane's safety has any dependency on the network at all
2008-01-07 14:57 < Drunken_Idiot> Fabexplosive: Quit link what you mean?
2008-01-07 14:57 < LuciferTiger> FUD? i cant recall what it is now.
2008-01-07 14:57 < Ceiling_Cat> cimon - until movies are actually shot that way, and some distribution mechanism exists for them, we can neglect that possiblity
2008-01-07 14:57 < Fabexplosive> Drunken_Idiot: /quit message
2008-01-07 14:57 < Lycurgus_> Fear Uncertainty and Doubt
2008-01-07 14:57 < quanticle> Resbol: There might be good reasons to have the networks touching. For example, if you want to have some kind of master control switch in the cockpit over the passenter network
2008-01-07 14:57 < Drunken_Idiot> Fabexplosive: I fell asleep on the keyboard.
2008-01-07 14:57 < LuciferTiger> ahh thanks Lycurgus_
2008-01-07 14:57 < Fabexplosive> ah
2008-01-07 14:57 < Retsbol> another good point quanticle
2008-01-07 14:57 < Retsbol> ooh another...
2008-01-07 14:58 < Retsbol> i've heard that the entertainment system in qantas's a380 will have a viewable cockpit cam feed
2008-01-07 14:58 < quanticle> Retsbol: A master-slave relationship between the networks still counts as a connection, even though there's no real security risk...
2008-01-07 14:59 < Retsbol> exactly
2008-01-07 14:59 < quanticle> Retsbol: Really, that's cool. I miss the days in which you could go up to the cockpit while the plane was in flight...
2008-01-07 14:59 < Retsbol> so it's down to boeing to make sure that it is airtight and down to wired to spread the requisite fud
2008-01-07 14:59 < Retsbol> you could do that?!
2008-01-07 14:59 < quanticle> Retsbol: A long time ago.
2008-01-07 14:59 < Retsbol> man, being 19 in 2008 sucks :p
2008-01-07 14:59 < LuciferTiger> lol how old are u quanticle
2008-01-07 15:00 * Drunken_Idiot wikipedia competing with google ... naah wont work
2008-01-07 15:00 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: 21. However, I moved a lot when I was little, so I got more than my fair share of plane rides
2008-01-07 15:00 < LuciferTiger> yeah its own search engine thingy? im willing to work on it for money
2008-01-07 15:00 < Drunken_Idiot> LuciferTiger: No time for me
2008-01-07 15:01 < Drunken_Idiot> :)
2008-01-07 15:01 < quanticle> Retsbol: I remember being allowed to go up to the cockpit when I was really little and the pilots explained what was going on
2008-01-07 15:01 < LuciferTiger> ahhh im older. but my first flight was less than 2 years back so :?
2008-01-07 15:01 < quanticle> It was one of the most awesome experiences I ever had
2008-01-07 15:01 < LuciferTiger> :/
2008-01-07 15:01 < Retsbol> when i was veery young you could do it after landing
2008-01-07 15:01 < LuciferTiger> see you were a kid thats y
2008-01-07 15:01 < Retsbol> gosh... i think i've just decided wikipedia really is better than britannica
2008-01-07 15:02 < quanticle> I remember asking one day to go up to the cockpit during flight, and being told that wasn't allowed anymore :(
2008-01-07 15:02 * Drunken_Idiot already in the bed trying to sleep night I hope
2008-01-07 15:02 < LuciferTiger> it'd have been a different story if u were a brown teenager or greater
2008-01-07 15:02 * quanticle is brown
2008-01-07 15:02 * Ceiling_Cat caught a TON of Jon Awbrey socks thsi morning
2008-01-07 15:02 < Retsbol> i go onto their site's front page, and their article in the spotlight is http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9438459/Tony-Hawk
2008-01-07 15:02 < quanticle> Wasn't a teenager then though
2008-01-07 15:02 < Ceiling_Cat> I think I got them all
2008-01-07 15:02 < LuciferTiger> well yeah that happens
2008-01-07 15:02 < lc2> To read the full article, activate your FREE Trial
2008-01-07 15:02 < lc2> fuck that shit
2008-01-07 15:03 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Jon Awbrey socks: gotta catch 'em all?
2008-01-07 15:03 < Retsbol> it's worse though
2008-01-07 15:03 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Raul654
2008-01-07 15:03 < Ceiling_Cat> just look at that :P
2008-01-07 15:03 < Retsbol> why the hell would i pay to read the rest of an article which says "through his technical innovations, successful equipment and apparel companies, and tireless promotional work—helped the sport of skateboarding enter the mainstream at the end of the 20th century"
2008-01-07 15:03 < Ceiling_Cat> everything from daffy dean to Gregorobitch is his
2008-01-07 15:03 < Retsbol> sure am going to learn some objective biography from that
2008-01-07 15:03 * NotACow wonders why anybody cares
2008-01-07 15:04 < Ceiling_Cat> combined with a range block that should prevent him from making anymore
2008-01-07 15:04 < Ceiling_Cat> I hope that's the last we've heard of him
2008-01-07 15:04 < NotACow> ha, not likely.
2008-01-07 15:04 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - he actually uses very few IPs
2008-01-07 15:04 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: that you know of :)
2008-01-07 15:04 < Ceiling_Cat> ...that are tagged as such
2008-01-07 15:04 < Ceiling_Cat> he's not what you would call the most stable personality
2008-01-07 15:05 * NotACow thinks sockhunting is stupid, counterproductive, and wasteful
2008-01-07 15:05 * Lycurgus_ is gold
2008-01-07 15:05 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't think it's in him to edit non-disruptively
2008-01-07 15:05 < Ceiling_Cat> so I think it's a good bet that if he had access to other IPs, he would have used them already and we'd know about it
2008-01-07 15:05 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Why did you block Dark_Knight_of_the_Soul?
2008-01-07 15:05 < NotACow> it amuses me how wikipedians always think they're smarter than anyone else.
2008-01-07 15:05 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - because it's an awbrey sock
2008-01-07 15:06 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: He hadn't made any disruptive edits
2008-01-07 15:06 < Lycurgus_> you mean each other or non-wikipedians?
2008-01-07 15:06 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - it's an awbrey sock
2008-01-07 15:06 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, I wonder what it is in some people that makes them like to hunt down vandals, sock-puppeteers and such. I never have understood, what the attraction to that line of adminning is.
2008-01-07 15:06 < NotACow> Lycurgus_: non-wikipedians. more specifically, designated wikipedia enemies.
2008-01-07 15:06 < Ceiling_Cat> he uses them to make a handful of edits, let's them mature so he can get a semiprotected article
2008-01-07 15:06 < Ceiling_Cat> then he attacks
2008-01-07 15:06 < NotACow> cimon: it's an opportunity to lord power over others.
2008-01-07 15:06 < NotACow> cimon: some people get off on that
2008-01-07 15:06 < lc2> NotACow: said the ex admin, lawl
2008-01-07 15:07 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: could you find my socks for me? i lost the file that lists what their names are, and now i can't remember what i called them.
2008-01-07 15:07 < Schroeder> cimon: I refuse to support any candidate for adminship whose primary "edits" are in those areas, precisely because of what NotACow said
2008-01-07 15:07 < NotACow> lc2: i grew up :)
2008-01-07 15:07 < quanticle> lc2: Well, there are good cops, like NotACow and bad cops, like Durova
2008-01-07 15:07 < lc2> NotACow: kay
2008-01-07 15:07 < Schroeder> <Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - it's an awbrey sock
2008-01-07 15:08 < Schroeder> that's irrelevant
2008-01-07 15:08 < Schroeder> blocks are preventative, not punitive
2008-01-07 15:08 < Schroeder> as long as he's not doing anything wrong with it
2008-01-07 15:08 < Schroeder> you should let it go
2008-01-07 15:08 < bumm13> good cop? :P
2008-01-07 15:08 < Lycurgus_> well as I understand it, other than the commercial encylopediae, wp doesn't really have any enemies as such. Maybe some people are enemies of some editors and can't express their side or their side of some issue is the wrong one.
2008-01-07 15:08 < quanticle> Schroeder: I have to agree with you here.
2008-01-07 15:08 < NotACow> Lycurgus_: tell that to jimbo.
2008-01-07 15:08 < NotACow> Lycurgus_: he declared me an enemy relecent.
2008-01-07 15:08 < NotACow> er recently
2008-01-07 15:08 < quanticle> Lycurgus_: Wikipedia doesn't have enemies?
2008-01-07 15:08 < quanticle> Lycurgus_: How do you justify that statement?
2008-01-07 15:08 < Ceiling_Cat> Perhaps you didn't read what I said, so I'll say it again -- he makes a few edits with them, so they mature, and then he uses them to vandalize
2008-01-07 15:09 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: so? block them when they are actually used to vandalize.
2008-01-07 15:09 < Ceiling_Cat> by making a few edits and then waiting a few weeks, the account becomes able to edit semiprotected articles
2008-01-07 15:09 < NotACow> stop using your crystal ball to harass people.
2008-01-07 15:09 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Banhammer when he touches the semi-protected article
2008-01-07 15:09 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - uh, no.
2008-01-07 15:09 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Its easier that way too
2008-01-07 15:09 < Lycurgus_> I said as I understood it and with the given qualification to which I perhaps should have added significant enemies. Cranks and trolls don't count.
2008-01-07 15:10 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: That way he comes to you
2008-01-07 15:10 < NotACow> quanticle: the simple fact is that some people enjoy playing "chase the troll"
2008-01-07 15:10 < Ceiling_Cat> I've found a much more effective way to deal with him - I make sure he gets no new accounts, and I kill the existing ones
2008-01-07 15:10 < Ceiling_Cat> and the problem goes away
2008-01-07 15:10 < NotACow> quanticle: and since hte trolls also enjoy playing the game, it feeds on itself
2008-01-07 15:10 < Ceiling_Cat> rather than your let-him-vandalize-ad-infinitum approach
2008-01-07 15:10 < NotACow> of course, the problem gets worse when the trollchaser considers himself smarter than the troll....
2008-01-07 15:11 < Schroeder> Ceiling_Cat: the end does not justify the means...
2008-01-07 15:11 < NotACow> Schroeder: the means are the end, in this case
2008-01-07 15:11 < Schroeder> should you consider this course of behavior I will have no choice other than to try and get you desysopped
2008-01-07 15:11 < Schroeder> s/consider/continue/
2008-01-07 15:11 * NotACow laughs
2008-01-07 15:11 < NotACow> Schroeder: you might as well try to take down everest by shouting at it
2008-01-07 15:11 < Schroeder> NotACow: it's happened before, and for much less abusive admins
2008-01-07 15:11 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Besides, how do you know you got them all. Sock accounts are like weeds. Unless you have a 100% kill ratio, you've failed in the long run
2008-01-07 15:12 < NotACow> quanticle: not to mention the risk of collateral damage
2008-01-07 15:12 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - because I've found a very effective way of tracking him
2008-01-07 15:12 < NotACow> quanticle: but of course he's too good to make a mistake
2008-01-07 15:12 < NotACow> quanticle: he's smarter than the rest of us, you know
2008-01-07 15:12 < SNORLAX> tracking or stalking?
2008-01-07 15:12 < quanticle> SNORLAX: Good question
2008-01-07 15:12 < NotACow> SNORLAX: it's only stalking if you've been designated evil by jimbo.
2008-01-07 15:13 < NotACow> SNORLAX: jimbo-sanctioned stalking is "tracking" or "sleuthing" and is ok because it's done for the betterment of Jimbo's wallet.
2008-01-07 15:13 < NotACow> er, uh, i meant wikipedia.
2008-01-07 15:13 < NotACow> my mistake
2008-01-07 15:13 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Regardless, I must say that I'm troubled by dropping banhammers on accounts that haven't done anything. It smacks of "Minority Report"...
2008-01-07 15:13 < lc2> yeah
2008-01-07 15:14 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - bans don't work that way
2008-01-07 15:14 < lc2> one minute they're banning IPs that are extremely likely to vandalise
2008-01-07 15:14 < Ceiling_Cat> we ban the user behind the account, not the account
2008-01-07 15:14 < NotACow> quanticle: obviously he has the ability to read minds and predict the future. your inability to do so merely indicates your inferiority, and suggests that you should not question his wisdom.
2008-01-07 15:14 < lc2> the next moment Raul and jimbo are getting the trains ready for the camps
2008-01-07 15:14 < Ceiling_Cat> if you are banned, you are not allowed to edit - the fact that you are using a throwaway does not mean you could still edit
2008-01-07 15:14 < lc2> it's a slippery slope
2008-01-07 15:14 < Schroeder> plus, likely as not there are flaws in your "very effective way" and you've dropped the block on a few people who have nothing to do with it
2008-01-07 15:14 < Schroeder> your behavior is wholly abusive
2008-01-07 15:14 < Schroeder> and you need to stop
2008-01-07 15:14 * Ceiling_Cat puts Schroeder on ignore (again)
2008-01-07 15:15 < Schroeder> Ceiling_Cat: but again, they're preventative and not punitive, so it's perfectly OK to come back if they're not doing anything wrong
2008-01-07 15:15 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: That's even more troubling, to be honest. Banning accounts is one thing. Blocking IPs opens another can of worms entirely...
2008-01-07 15:15 < Demi> quanticle - the logic is sound (and for reverting acceptable edits by banned users), mostly because if you didn't do that there wouldn't really be a concept of "banning users"
2008-01-07 15:15 < NotACow> Demi: perhaps there shouldn't be a concept of banning users
2008-01-07 15:15 < Schroeder> Demi: there shouldn't be
2008-01-07 15:15 < Demi> NotACow - maybe not
2008-01-07 15:15 < Mahlzahn> bon soir
2008-01-07 15:15 < Schroeder> you should ban BEHAVIOR
2008-01-07 15:15 < Schroeder> not USERS
2008-01-07 15:16 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - sorry, but I prefer the lunatics to be in the asylum, not running it
2008-01-07 15:16 < quanticle> Demi: What does he mean, "Ban the user behind the account?"
2008-01-07 15:16 < Ceiling_Cat> so yes, we need to ban people
2008-01-07 15:16 < Schroeder> and this is why Ceiling_Cat should not be an admin
2008-01-07 15:16 < Demi> quanticle - people are banned, not accounts, or addresses, or other pointers
2008-01-07 15:16 < Cyrius> demi: in theory, anyway
2008-01-07 15:17 < quanticle> Demi: So? Unless you have a foolproof method of authentication, you're going to banning IPs and user accounts, not people
2008-01-07 15:17 * Fabexplosive goodnight
2008-01-07 15:17 < quanticle> By Fabexplosive
2008-01-07 15:17 < Demi> quanticle - no you're going to be blocking them
2008-01-07 15:17 < quanticle> *
2008-01-07 15:17 < Mike2> bye
2008-01-07 15:17 < Demi> that's a way of implementing a ba
2008-01-07 15:17 < Mahlzahn> well as Cyrius says, in theory, people are banned/blocked.
2008-01-07 15:17 < NoulNou> hi
2008-01-07 15:17 < Demi> er, "a ban"
2008-01-07 15:17 < Fabexplosive> hey qua
2008-01-07 15:17 < Fabexplosive> and mike
2008-01-07 15:17 < NoulNou> i need some informations
2008-01-07 15:17 < NoulNou> pls
2008-01-07 15:17 < quanticle> Demi: What's the difference between "block" and "ban"?
2008-01-07 15:17 < NoulNou> anyone?
2008-01-07 15:17 < Ceiling_Cat> NoulNou - what's up?
2008-01-07 15:17 < lc2> NoulNou: ?
2008-01-07 15:17 < Demi> quanticle - that
2008-01-07 15:17 < Mahlzahn> what do you need NouNou
2008-01-07 15:18 < Mahlzahn> ?
2008-01-07 15:18 < quanticle> Demi: What?
2008-01-07 15:18 < NoulNou> Ceiling_Cat hi
2008-01-07 15:18 < Demi> quanticle - blocks are the technical means of (among other things) carrying out a ban, which is a conceptual thing, not a technical thing
2008-01-07 15:18 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - a block is applied to an account or IP; a ban is a person's loss of the privilege to edit wikipedia
2008-01-07 15:18 < NoulNou> i need to know whats the minimal and average salary in north korea
2008-01-07 15:18 < Mahlzahn> Demi: oh, I see what you mean now.
2008-01-07 15:18 < NoulNou> per mounth / year
2008-01-07 15:18 < Ceiling_Cat> NoulNou - average salary is the GDP
2008-01-07 15:19 < quanticle> NoulNou: Per capita GDP
2008-01-07 15:19 < NoulNou> oh
2008-01-07 15:19 < NoulNou> amd PPP
2008-01-07 15:19 < NoulNou> what it is?
2008-01-07 15:19 < NoulNou> and
2008-01-07 15:19 < NoulNou> sorry
2008-01-07 15:19 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
2008-01-07 15:19 < NoulNou> thanks
2008-01-07 15:19 < Schroeder> GDP has nothing to do with salary
2008-01-07 15:19 * Mahlzahn is awed at the speed Ceiling_Cat got that
2008-01-07 15:19 < Ceiling_Cat> the CIA estimages it's 1,800 US dollars
2008-01-07 15:19 < lc2> http://www.cartercenter.org/countries/north_korea.html
2008-01-07 15:19 < lc2> Average annual income: $580 USD
2008-01-07 15:19 < Schroeder> or wages
2008-01-07 15:20 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: But what's your authentication protocol for ensuring that collateral damage from bans is minimized
2008-01-07 15:20 < NoulNou> whats the diference between PPP and GDP
2008-01-07 15:20 < Schroeder> they're totally independent
2008-01-07 15:20 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - I have access to checkuser
2008-01-07 15:20 < Ceiling_Cat> beyond that, I am not going to comment on specifics
2008-01-07 15:20 * quanticle is concerned still
2008-01-07 15:20 < NoulNou> thanks guys
2008-01-07 15:20 < Schroeder> hmm, so now he's abusing checkuser
2008-01-07 15:21 < NoulNou> for the link and informations
2008-01-07 15:21 < Mahlzahn> NouNou: PPP == Purchasing power parity
2008-01-07 15:21 < Ceiling_Cat> Mahlzahn - based on what?
2008-01-07 15:21 < Mahlzahn> how much a certain basket of goods costs in a country
2008-01-07 15:21 * Ceiling_Cat prefers the measurement based on the price of a big mac ;)
2008-01-07 15:21 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=2708584
2008-01-07 15:21 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Well, I'm sure that fast food plays a role. Not sure how that'd work for N. Korea, though
2008-01-07 15:21 < Mahlzahn> yes, tall latte too.
2008-01-07 15:21 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah, that'saccurate
2008-01-07 15:22 < Ceiling_Cat> no, I'm serious. It's called the Big Mac Index
2008-01-07 15:22 < Ceiling_Cat> and it really is studied in economics
2008-01-07 15:22 < Mahlzahn> yes, I know
2008-01-07 15:22 < Mahlzahn> so is the tall latte index
2008-01-07 15:22 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - CPI uses a basket of goods too
2008-01-07 15:22 < Ceiling_Cat> but it includes very basic items, like a gallon of gas and a loaf of bread
2008-01-07 15:23 < NoulNou> i have read in a magazine that in North Korea average wage is 3 $
2008-01-07 15:23 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: the lunatics have been running the asylum from day one.
2008-01-07 15:23 < Schroeder> yeah, purchasing power parity is adjusting raw numbers to account for price differences among goods between different countries
2008-01-07 15:23 < Mahlzahn> which is - as theoretically opposed to the low-end big-mac - addressed to higher-end consumer products
2008-01-07 15:23 < Demi> all still cultural
2008-01-07 15:23 < NoulNou> that why i whant to know exactly
2008-01-07 15:23 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: but i wouldn't expect you to agree to that :)
2008-01-07 15:23 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - actually, we did a pretty good job of throwing the most obnoxious ones out
2008-01-07 15:23 < NoulNou> how they can live in this situation
2008-01-07 15:23 < Aqwis> they don't live
2008-01-07 15:23 < quanticle> NoulNou: I'm not sure *anyone* knows what the average salary in N. Korea is
2008-01-07 15:23 < quanticle> In dollar terms anyway
2008-01-07 15:23 < Phoenix-wiki> The big mac index is real
2008-01-07 15:23 < NoulNou> Aqwis yes
2008-01-07 15:24 < quanticle> Aqwis: True. They starve...
2008-01-07 15:24 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah
2008-01-07 15:24 < Demi> sex work services are probably more universal
2008-01-07 15:24 < Aqwis> N. Korea isn't even the poorest country in the world
2008-01-07 15:24 < Ceiling_Cat> NoulNou - North Korea is the most closed society on earth
2008-01-07 15:24 < NoulNou> they just pray to kim
2008-01-07 15:24 < NoulNou> yes
2008-01-07 15:24 < quanticle> Phoenix-wiki: But does it apply to N. Kore?
2008-01-07 15:24 < quanticle> *Korea
2008-01-07 15:24 < Phoenix-wiki> no
2008-01-07 15:24 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: there's at least one you've missed.
2008-01-07 15:24 < Ceiling_Cat> ?
2008-01-07 15:24 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: but you won't throw him out.
2008-01-07 15:24 < Mahlzahn> Phoenix-wiki: [[Tall_latte_index]] = #R => [[Big Mac Index]]
2008-01-07 15:24 < NoulNou> nazi germani it whas a little child beside N Korea
2008-01-07 15:25 < Phoenix-wiki> Nazi Germany had a great econmy
2008-01-07 15:25 < NoulNou> yes
2008-01-07 15:25 < NoulNou> I mean about human rights
2008-01-07 15:25 < Phoenix-wiki> they pulled out of that hell after WWI
2008-01-07 15:25 < Phoenix-wiki> oh, yeah
2008-01-07 15:25 < Mahlzahn> I think he means East Germany prior to reunification
2008-01-07 15:25 < Phoenix-wiki> well, they hated Jews
2008-01-07 15:25 < quanticle> NoulNou: Nazi germany was far worse than North Korea. Nazis had the military and economy to follow through on their threats
2008-01-07 15:25 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - to whom are you referring?
2008-01-07 15:25 < NoulNou> In N korea are concentrations camps
2008-01-07 15:25 < Phoenix-wiki> and Eastern Europeans ingeneral
2008-01-07 15:25 < Mahlzahn> Phoenix-wiki: NO! Really?
2008-01-07 15:26 < Phoenix-wiki> But Germans in Nazi Germany generally had a good life b4 the war
2008-01-07 15:26 < Ceiling_Cat> Mahlzahn - east germany, 20 years after re-unification, is still struggling to catch up to west germany
2008-01-07 15:26 < quanticle> NoulNou: Concentration camps aren't really that odd. Nazis used them, true. But so did Mao and Stalin, and the world didn't say anything about those
2008-01-07 15:26 < Demi> some american businessmen in the '40s thought that the UK and france could really benefit, business-wise, from german leadership
2008-01-07 15:26 < Phoenix-wiki> The British /invented/ them
2008-01-07 15:26 < quanticle> Pol Pot used concentration camps as well
2008-01-07 15:26 < SNORLAX> so did the US in WWII
2008-01-07 15:26 < Phoenix-wiki> concentration camps
2008-01-07 15:26 < Mahlzahn> Ceiling_Cat: yes, /whois me :)
2008-01-07 15:27 < Ceiling_Cat> ahh
2008-01-07 15:27 < quanticle> SNORLAX: True. And Phoenix-wiki is correct in that the British invented concentration camps for the Boer war
2008-01-07 15:27 < Demi> there's nothing wrong with a concentration camp; what's wrong about going camping somewhere you can really concentrate?
2008-01-07 15:27 < Phoenix-wiki> haha
2008-01-07 15:27 < lc2> i think "concentration camp" is the wrong way to describe them
2008-01-07 15:27 < NoulNou> N Korea is a really dangeros country
2008-01-07 15:27 < lc2> hell-holes, to be sure, but not systematic extermination camps
2008-01-07 15:27 < Phoenix-wiki> more like torture/labour camps
2008-01-07 15:27 < Phoenix-wiki> some where
2008-01-07 15:27 < Demi> lc2 - it's not wrong, it's just heavily loaded with connotation
2008-01-07 15:27 < Phoenix-wiki> most weren't
2008-01-07 15:28 < lc2> Demi: yeah
2008-01-07 15:28 < quanticle> NoulNou: No, not really. They don't have either the military or economy to be a threat to their neighbors
2008-01-07 15:28 < NoulNou> and Kim controle all the country
2008-01-07 15:28 < bumm13> they are bastards to their own people, though
2008-01-07 15:28 < Phoenix-wiki> There was that tiny one in Poland that killed thousands, but most just forced them to work and killed them if they couldn't
2008-01-07 15:28 < NoulNou> quanticle i mean that they have a nuclear bomb
2008-01-07 15:28 < NoulNou> and kim is a military mad
2008-01-07 15:28 < Mahlzahn> I somehow don't believe that
2008-01-07 15:28 < quanticle> NoulNou: Which is useless unless you have the missiles to deliver it
2008-01-07 15:28 < Phoenix-wiki> And wasn't it the US who put Kim there?!?!?
2008-01-07 15:28 < lc2> Phoenix-wiki: uh, no
2008-01-07 15:28 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - actually, north korea maintains a huge standing army
2008-01-07 15:29 < lc2> lrn2history plox
2008-01-07 15:29 < Ceiling_Cat> it could easily overwhelm the south
2008-01-07 15:29 < Schroeder> Phoenix-wiki: ...no, are you full of stupid today or something?
2008-01-07 15:29 < Mahlzahn> it could?
2008-01-07 15:29 < Ceiling_Cat> (huge relative to the size of the country, that is)
2008-01-07 15:29 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Nope. The already tried that once
2008-01-07 15:29 < Demi> you can't blame the u.s. for everything, quite, though it would be a neat little bundle, if you could
2008-01-07 15:29 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - why do you think the US maintains 15,000 troops on the border?
2008-01-07 15:29 < Mahlzahn> are they well equipped too?
2008-01-07 15:29 < Phoenix-wiki> Schroeder: Who'd he get ther?
2008-01-07 15:29 < Phoenix-wiki> *there?
2008-01-07 15:29 < Schroeder> Phoenix-wiki: he succeeded his father
2008-01-07 15:29 < Mahlzahn> do they have the trucks and gas to even *get* to the South?
2008-01-07 15:29 < Phoenix-wiki> oh, his father
2008-01-07 15:30 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Our 15,000 troops wouldn't be much more than a speed bump. What'll really kill the N. Korean army is their lack of logistics
2008-01-07 15:30 < Schroeder> he and his father were both Stalinist-Marxists
2008-01-07 15:30 < Schroeder> wtf makes you think the US put them there?
2008-01-07 15:30 < Aqwis> Mahlzahn, NK gas is people! ;)
2008-01-07 15:30 < NoulNou> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Army
2008-01-07 15:30 < Phoenix-wiki> I read it in a newspaper once :-)
2008-01-07 15:30 < Demi> quanticle - it's a trigger
2008-01-07 15:30 < quanticle> They don't have the trucks or the fuel to conduct an invasion
2008-01-07 15:30 < lc2> quanticle: you're wrong
2008-01-07 15:30 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - no, what would kill them would be the DMZ, which is the most land-mined place on earth
2008-01-07 15:30 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: i think you know to whom i'm referring
2008-01-07 15:30 < Phoenix-wiki> quanticele: What country are you in?
2008-01-07 15:30 < Phoenix-wiki> England?
2008-01-07 15:30 < Schroeder> his father was backed by Maoist China
2008-01-07 15:30 < Schroeder> the US fought to keep him OUT
2008-01-07 15:30 < Ceiling_Cat> the only reason the US hasn't signed the anti-landmine treaty is because we need to use them in korea
2008-01-07 15:30 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah
2008-01-07 15:30 < NoulNou> Military expenditures Dollar figure $5.2174 billion Percent of GDP 22.9% (2003 est
2008-01-07 15:30 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Iran proved that you could overcome mine barriers with human wave attacks in their war with Iraq in the '80s
2008-01-07 15:31 < NotACow> quanticle: north korea can't afford that.
2008-01-07 15:31 < NotACow> quanticle: they don't have enough healthy adults to do that
2008-01-07 15:31 < NoulNou> they use 22 from national buget for army
2008-01-07 15:31 < Demi> NotACow - right, and they need their spare dogs, too
2008-01-07 15:31 < lc2> quanticle: they also weren't going against the united states
2008-01-07 15:31 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - that works in a country of 80 million. It doesn't work so well in a country of 20 million
2008-01-07 15:31 < quanticle> NotACow: Yes they can. Their army is far larger than the Iranian one was
2008-01-07 15:31 < NoulNou> yes
2008-01-07 15:31 < Phoenix-wiki> human wave attakcs? Just charging over them?
2008-01-07 15:31 < NotACow> quanticle: north koreans are all just this side of starving
2008-01-07 15:31 < Mahlzahn> Phoenix-wiki: yes
2008-01-07 15:31 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - yes
2008-01-07 15:31 < Schroeder> quanticle: it also helps that Kim, unlike the Ayatollah, is a complete lunatic
2008-01-07 15:32 < Phoenix-wiki> wow
2008-01-07 15:32 < NotACow> Phoenix-wiki: each mine can only go off once.
2008-01-07 15:32 < NoulNou> N Korea possed the 4 army in the world
2008-01-07 15:32 < Ceiling_Cat> the iranians practiced that with kids in the 80s
2008-01-07 15:32 < LuciferTiger> lol dont need healthy adults to do that
2008-01-07 15:32 < Mahlzahn> Phoenix-wiki: shooting at the ground as they go
2008-01-07 15:32 < quanticle> lc2: I'm not sure that US military would be able to do anything if N. Korea invaded tomorrow. What would work is S. Korea's overwhelming superiority in terms of mechanization and air power
2008-01-07 15:32 < Phoenix-wiki> NotACow: But one mine can kill about 6 guys if it's one of those ones that jump out of the ground
2008-01-07 15:32 < lc2> quanticle: and a few thousand nuclear weapons on the american side
2008-01-07 15:32 < quanticle> lc2: We don't have the balls to use them...
2008-01-07 15:32 < NoulNou> yes
2008-01-07 15:33 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah
2008-01-07 15:33 < lc2> quanticle: they wouldn't have to, they'd just need to sound serious about it
2008-01-07 15:33 < NoulNou> kim have the balls
2008-01-07 15:33 < Amgine> You know, a few guns permanently mounted on the other side of the river from Seoul could do amazing damage before anyone could silence them.
2008-01-07 15:33 < quanticle> NoulNou: But its not clear that he has the nukes
2008-01-07 15:33 < Amgine> Rather like the guns currently mounted there, in fact.
2008-01-07 15:33 < Ceiling_Cat> you know what carl sagan said about nuclear weapons?
2008-01-07 15:33 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah
2008-01-07 15:33 < NoulNou> he don`t give food to the peoples to buy guns
2008-01-07 15:33 < quanticle> Amgine: The amount of damage doesn't matter when the enemy just keeps charging
2008-01-07 15:33 < Ceiling_Cat> He compared the US and hte Soviet Unioin to two enemies standing waist deep in gasoline, one of them with 3 matches and the other with 5
2008-01-07 15:33 < Messedrocker> am-gina!
2008-01-07 15:33 < Phoenix-wiki> Raul: What? I heard this but forgot
2008-01-07 15:34 < Phoenix-wiki> oh
2008-01-07 15:34 < Amgine> <tickles Messedrocker>
2008-01-07 15:34 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah
2008-01-07 15:34 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: That's the best analogy I've heard all day
2008-01-07 15:34 < NoulNou> yeah
2008-01-07 15:34 < Phoenix-wiki> agreed
2008-01-07 15:34 < NoulNou> what you think about romania?
2008-01-07 15:34 < lc2> quanticle: as far as all-out fucking shit up goes, you can't do much better than america, it's the aftermath they have issues with
2008-01-07 15:34 < LuciferTiger> btw, N Korea's army is the 5th and not the 4th largest
2008-01-07 15:34 < Mahlzahn> were they standing in the same barrel of gasoline? :)
2008-01-07 15:34 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_active_troops
2008-01-07 15:34 < NoulNou> LuciferTiger sorry
2008-01-07 15:34 < lc2> quanticle: north korea could kill a few americans, then it'd be over a few hours later even without nukes
2008-01-07 15:34 < NoulNou> my mystake
2008-01-07 15:35 < lc2> i don't think even they're *that* crazy
2008-01-07 15:35 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Depends on the amount of faith you have in anti-missile systems
2008-01-07 15:35 < LuciferTiger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_size_of_armed_forces
2008-01-07 15:35 < Amgine> So, if I asked this channel to speculate wildly about the WMF, what would you all say?
2008-01-07 15:35 < Phoenix-wiki> a big nuke exchange between the US and the USSR during the cold war wouldn't have done as much damage as people think it would
2008-01-07 15:35 < quanticle> lc2: True. We don't need nukes to stop the N. Korean military
2008-01-07 15:35 < Ceiling_Cat> Amgine!
2008-01-07 15:35 < Ceiling_Cat> welcome back
2008-01-07 15:35 < Amgine> Semi-back.
2008-01-07 15:35 * Ceiling_Cat huggles amgine
2008-01-07 15:35 < lc2> quanticle: indeed
2008-01-07 15:35 < Ceiling_Cat> semi?
2008-01-07 15:35 < LuciferTiger> WMF? world monetary fund?
2008-01-07 15:35 < Amgine> Wikimedia Foundation
2008-01-07 15:36 < Ceiling_Cat> LuciferTiger - wikimedia foundation
2008-01-07 15:36 < Phoenix-wiki> Wikimedia foundation!
2008-01-07 15:36 < LuciferTiger> lol ok
2008-01-07 15:36 < quanticle> Phoenix-wiki: I'm pretty sure that nuclear winter was a myth. It would have taken a lot more than a few nukes to stir up enough dust to alter global climate
2008-01-07 15:36 * Mahlzahn could do with some huggling too
2008-01-07 15:36 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah, thousands
2008-01-07 15:36 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Mahlzahn
2008-01-07 15:36 < Amgine> <huggles Mahlzahn>
2008-01-07 15:36 < LuciferTiger> whats cool is that top 3 are the same in both the lists
2008-01-07 15:36 < NoulNou> what you think about romania?
2008-01-07 15:37 < Mike_H> The World Monetary Fund
2008-01-07 15:37 < LuciferTiger> yeah. a few nukes really cant to a lot of damage
2008-01-07 15:37 < Mike_H> that's really the more important WMF
2008-01-07 15:37 < Amgine> Mike_H: but to *this* channel?
2008-01-07 15:37 * Mahlzahn thanks the super nice people here
2008-01-07 15:37 < Mike_H> Amgine: Don't you bitches like money?
2008-01-07 15:37 < LuciferTiger> the 2 nukes in '45 hardly affected even the rest of Japan as far as the side effects go
2008-01-07 15:37 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah
2008-01-07 15:37 < Amgine> Heh. Net donor, not recipient.
2008-01-07 15:37 < Messedrocker> Amgine, the WMF will collapse by 2020
2008-01-07 15:37 < Mike_H> Then go to Chad.
2008-01-07 15:37 < Ceiling_Cat> Amgine - so are you coming back to comcom?
2008-01-07 15:37 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: The two nukes that we dropped on Japan were pretty small as far as nukes go, though
2008-01-07 15:38 < LuciferTiger> yeah coming to that quanticle
2008-01-07 15:38 < Phoenix-wiki> even a multi megaton one wouldn't destroy the whole of new york
2008-01-07 15:38 < Amgine> Ceiling_Cat: What comcom? so far as I see, they don't have any effect...
2008-01-07 15:38 < Mahlzahn> and how many people dead is "significant" anyway?
2008-01-07 15:38 < LuciferTiger> small and very inefficient
2008-01-07 15:38 < Ceiling_Cat> Amgine - hrm, touche
2008-01-07 15:38 < NoulNou> you see with good eyes romania, like a normaly EU country?
2008-01-07 15:38 < quanticle> Phoenix-wiki: Yeah it would. Not vaporize, perhaps, but the blast damage would be more than sufficient for most definitions of destroy
2008-01-07 15:38 < Amgine> <grin> Worse, I accidentally found something and learned comcom is aware of it.
2008-01-07 15:39 < Phoenix-wiki> quanticle: I doubt it
2008-01-07 15:39 < Ceiling_Cat> .....
2008-01-07 15:39 < LuciferTiger> but considering that they hardly affected surrounding areas, even bigger ones whould prolly affect area of south japan
2008-01-07 15:39 < quanticle> Phoenix-wiki: You're looking at the difference between 'annihilate'and destroy
2008-01-07 15:39 < lc2> quanticle: indeed
2008-01-07 15:39 * Ceiling_Cat is confused
2008-01-07 15:39 < lc2> Phoenix-wiki: then bear in mind the fallout
2008-01-07 15:39 < Messedrocker> <LuciferTiger> small and very inefficient << the nukes or comcom?
2008-01-07 15:39 < LuciferTiger> my sincere apologies to any japanese ppl out here for making that example
2008-01-07 15:39 < Messedrocker> ;)
2008-01-07 15:39 < Phoenix-wiki> quanticle: "damage" maybe, but destroy, no
2008-01-07 15:39 < Amgine> I either shouldn't know anything, or everyone should know it.
2008-01-07 15:39 < lc2> you wouldn't want to be anywhere within a hundred miles of it
2008-01-07 15:39 < LuciferTiger> the nukes
2008-01-07 15:39 < Mike_H> It's 81 degrees today :(
2008-01-07 15:39 < Mike_H> 11 degrees above the average high
2008-01-07 15:39 < NotACow> Mike_H: yeek
2008-01-07 15:39 < Phoenix-wiki> that's meaningless
2008-01-07 15:39 < LuciferTiger> wow wher are u?
2008-01-07 15:40 < lc2> Phoenix-wiki: it's not
2008-01-07 15:40 < NotACow> Mike_H: it's like 55 here
2008-01-07 15:40 < NotACow> Mike_H: which is like absurd.
2008-01-07 15:40 < Mike_H> LuciferTiger: Tampa
2008-01-07 15:40 < Messedrocker> yeah, it's really warm all of a sudden
2008-01-07 15:40 < LuciferTiger> i wanna be there Mike_H
2008-01-07 15:40 < Messedrocker> i blame al gore for no reason
2008-01-07 15:40 < SNORLAX> and it was so nice the past few days
2008-01-07 15:40 < Phoenix-wiki> Ic2: 100 miles of it? More like 20
2008-01-07 15:40 < Mike_H> NotACow: Last week, one day had a high of 50
2008-01-07 15:40 < Mahlzahn> Would someone care to deal a hard hand at [[Gilani]]. Mostly copyvio, and not conform with WP:DISAMBIG?
2008-01-07 15:40 < Mike_H> and low of like
2008-01-07 15:40 < Mike_H> 20
2008-01-07 15:40 < Messedrocker> Mike_H, 81 degrees is practically swimming weather
2008-01-07 15:40 < Mike_H> and now we're back up to 81/61
2008-01-07 15:40 < NoulNou> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_romania
2008-01-07 15:40 < Mike_H> Messedrocker: The Gulf is cold right now
2008-01-07 15:40 < NotACow> it's 64 degrees here today!
2008-01-07 15:40 < quanticle> Heh. Its 40 degrees here today. We're 30 degrees above normal
2008-01-07 15:40 < NotACow> 64!
2008-01-07 15:40 < LuciferTiger> we had a low of like 12 here
2008-01-07 15:41 < NotACow> that's 5 degrees above the RECORD high
2008-01-07 15:41 < NoulNou> they said that romania is a inportant country in the East Europe
2008-01-07 15:41 < Mike_H> # Today: Plenty of sunshine. Warm. High 81F. Winds E at 5 to 10 mph.
2008-01-07 15:41 < Mike_H> # Tonight: Mainly clear skies. Low around 60F. Winds E at 5 to 10 mph.
2008-01-07 15:41 < Phoenix-wiki> it is
2008-01-07 15:41 < lc2> Phoenix-wiki: no
2008-01-07 15:41 * Messedrocker blasts wesley willis music
2008-01-07 15:41 < Mike_H> I just hope this upcoming summer won't be like last summer
2008-01-07 15:42 < NoulNou> Phoenix-wiki i agree
2008-01-07 15:42 < Mike_H> where we had like 15 straight days of 96 and 97 degrees
2008-01-07 15:42 * Ceiling_Cat watches Messedrocker
2008-01-07 15:42 < quanticle> NoulNou: That's like saying Omaha is the most important city between Minneapolis and Denver
2008-01-07 15:42 < Phoenix-wiki> ah
2008-01-07 15:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - bring [[wizard rock]] up to FA status
2008-01-07 15:42 < lc2> Phoenix-wiki: [[Lucky Dragon]]
2008-01-07 15:42 < Messedrocker> HE LURKS IN THE DARK
2008-01-07 15:42 < Messedrocker> HE SNEAKS UP ON YOU
2008-01-07 15:42 < quanticle> NoulNou: It maybe an important country for its region, but its still pretty unimportant overall
2008-01-07 15:42 < Messedrocker> HE GOES INTO YOUR ROOM
2008-01-07 15:42 < NoulNou> romania is above ukraine
2008-01-07 15:42 < Messedrocker> HE WATCHES YOU TOUCH YOURSELF
2008-01-07 15:42 < Messedrocker> CEEEEEILLLIIING CAAAAAT
2008-01-07 15:42 < Messedrocker> CEEEEEILLLIIING CAAAAAT
2008-01-07 15:42 < Messedrocker> CEEEEEILLLIIING CAAAAAT
2008-01-07 15:42 < Mike_H> That's like saying the US is above Haiti
2008-01-07 15:42 < Messedrocker> CEEEEEILLLIIING CAAAAAT
2008-01-07 15:42 < Mike_H> yeah, and?
2008-01-07 15:42 < Messedrocker> !!!!
2008-01-07 15:42 < NoulNou> on the region yes
2008-01-07 15:43 < quanticle> NoulNou: I doubt that. Ukraine has nuclear weapons
2008-01-07 15:43 < NoulNou> romania is above ukraine
2008-01-07 15:43 < NotACow> 34 degrees above average
2008-01-07 15:43 < NoulNou> in economy
2008-01-07 15:43 < Mike_H> NotACow: Wow.
2008-01-07 15:43 < Mike_H> We're only 11 above right now
2008-01-07 15:43 < Phoenix-wiki> Ic2: I'm talking aboutm blast damage, radiation would take a while to move and you could evade it
2008-01-07 15:43 < NoulNou> but ukraine is strong in army
2008-01-07 15:43 < Mike_H> 70 --> 81
2008-01-07 15:43 < NotASpy> does Ukraine have a delivery mechanism (other than their post office) for their nuclear weapons ?
2008-01-07 15:43 < lc2> Phoenix-wiki: it'd render most of new york uninhabitable for some time
2008-01-07 15:44 < Mike_H> next week we should be getting around the normal range, though
2008-01-07 15:44 < quanticle> NoulNou: For the longest time, Poland was ahead of Russia economically, but no one said that Poland was more important than Russia
2008-01-07 15:44 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah
2008-01-07 15:44 < NotACow> temperature in chicago: 64
2008-01-07 15:44 < Mike_H> we'll get to about 68
2008-01-07 15:44 < Phoenix-wiki> but you ca cleann up fallout
2008-01-07 15:44 < lc2> Phoenix-wiki: which is as good as destroying it
2008-01-07 15:44 < NotACow> record high for today: 59 degrees (1907)
2008-01-07 15:44 < Phoenix-wiki> you can clean it u
2008-01-07 15:44 < NotACow> normal high: 30 degrees
2008-01-07 15:44 < Phoenix-wiki> wash down every surface in the city and dispose of the water
2008-01-07 15:44 < quanticle> Phoenix-wiki: Radioactive fallout, because of its fine grained nature is very hard to dispose of
2008-01-07 15:45 < bumm13> dump the water in the ocean!
2008-01-07 15:45 < NoulNou> russia is the power in east
2008-01-07 15:45 < LuciferTiger> lol that way even india has the third largest economy
2008-01-07 15:45 < Messedrocker> dump bumm13 in the ocean!
2008-01-07 15:45 < Phoenix-wiki> that was planned, dumping it in the ocean
2008-01-07 15:45 * Messedrocker imagines the water displacement
2008-01-07 15:45 < NoulNou> but romania is the power on the black sea
2008-01-07 15:45 < Phoenix-wiki> LOL
2008-01-07 15:45 < lc2> Phoenix-wiki: i don't think you thought your cunning plan all the way through
2008-01-07 15:45 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - if you can imagine it, you can make it come true :P
2008-01-07 15:45 < Mike_H> NotACow: It was 81 yesterday
2008-01-07 15:45 < lc2> it'd be easier to move everyone somewhere else
2008-01-07 15:45 < Mike_H> record high was 85
2008-01-07 15:45 < Phoenix-wiki> I didn't develop my plan, I heard it on TV :-p
2008-01-07 15:45 < Mike_H> set in 1991
2008-01-07 15:45 < lc2> that's a good definition of "destruction"
2008-01-07 15:46 < NoulNou> russia it`s still a great power
2008-01-07 15:46 * Messedrocker images Ceiling_Cat turning into a hot girl of age 16
2008-01-07 15:46 < NotACow> if it gets any warmer i will have to put the air conditioner back in
2008-01-07 15:46 < Messedrocker> imagines*
2008-01-07 15:46 < bumm13> it's a balmy 37 F locally here
2008-01-07 15:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Zomg wikipedo
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