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2008-01-06 15:05 < Aqwis> :S
2008-01-06 15:06 < thedj> thedjatclubrock: hehe. a lot of people really hate our similar names :D
2008-01-06 15:07 < thedjatclubrock> thedj: Yeah, delldot got confused
2008-01-06 15:07 < The359> fuck, two of them
2008-01-06 15:08 < thedj> "you are seeing things"
2008-01-06 15:08 < quanticle> Phoenix-wiki: PING
2008-01-06 15:08 < Phoenix-wiki> you got it?
2008-01-06 15:08 < quanticle> Yeah. Check your e-mail
2008-01-06 15:09 < Phoenix-wiki> ah, thanks
2008-01-06 15:09 * Fabexplosive goodnight
2008-01-06 15:09 < quanticle> Check over the templates and make sure that they're ok.
2008-01-06 15:09 < Phoenix-wiki> okay
2008-01-06 15:10 < quanticle> Phoenix-wiki: Also, I added Zimbabwe to your list of countries...
2008-01-06 15:10 < Phoenix-wiki> oh, must have forgotten,mthanks
2008-01-06 15:13 < Phoenix-wiki> thanks, you saved e a lot of work
2008-01-06 15:21 < quanticle> Phoenix-wiki: Do the templates work?
2008-01-06 15:21 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah, it does
2008-01-06 15:22 < Grammaticus> Phoenix-wiki, do you frequently write 'warnings' to anonymous users concerning spam, vandalism, etc.?
2008-01-06 15:22 < quanticle> Phoenix-wiki: Cool. That was my biggest concern - misentering the template into the program, so that it'd produce unusable templates
2008-01-06 15:22 < Schroeder> hot damn
2008-01-06 15:22 < Schroeder> Ahmad Bradshaw is fucking GOOD
2008-01-06 15:22 < Phoenix-wiki> write them personnally? Yes, more than most perople, but I use the uw warnings most of the time
2008-01-06 15:22 < quanticle> Schroeder: Who?
2008-01-06 15:22 < Schroeder> backup RB for the NY Giants
2008-01-06 15:23 < Grammaticus> Ah, well -- I've been receiving quite a few although I am not the culprit thereof. For I do not have a static IP -- since I am a dial-up user.
2008-01-06 15:23 < Phoenix-wiki> quanticle: And I accidentaly type {{# into the middle of it when I was putting the syntax in and now I have to find it and take it out, it sits at the bottom under the tempalte
2008-01-06 15:23 < Phoenix-wiki> ah
2008-01-06 15:23 < Grammaticus> Many of the IPs which I 'alter' into are blocked and charged, etc.
2008-01-06 15:23 < Phoenix-wiki> I revieve them a lot too
2008-01-06 15:24 < quanticle> Schroeder: Heh. I was a little surprised to see the Giants doing as well as they are. I expected Tampa Bay to win...
2008-01-06 15:24 < Phoenix-wiki> my ip is shared by thousands of people
2008-01-06 15:24 < quanticle> Schroeder: Not that I care, because my team (Vikings) were eliminated a long time ago...
2008-01-06 15:24 < Grammaticus> Are you a dial-up user? Or are you on a T3 network, or something of the sort?
2008-01-06 15:24 < quanticle> Grammaticus: Probably a cable broadband user...
2008-01-06 15:25 < quanticle> Phoenix-wiki: Are you on cable broadband?
2008-01-06 15:25 < Phoenix-wiki> no
2008-01-06 15:25 < Phoenix-wiki> 3 nobile broadband
2008-01-06 15:25 < Phoenix-wiki> *mobile
2008-01-06 15:25 < quanticle> Phoenix-wiki: Ah. That works too.
2008-01-06 15:26 < Grammaticus> Well, perhaps some day anonymous editing will be disabled.
2008-01-06 15:26 < Phoenix-wiki> hopefully not
2008-01-06 15:26 < Grammaticus> Why not?
2008-01-06 15:26 < Phoenix-wiki> I know loads of productive ips
2008-01-06 15:26 < Grammaticus> Yes, it is true.
2008-01-06 15:26 < Grammaticus> I see them frequently on other wikipedias.
2008-01-06 15:26 < Phoenix-wiki> and they do more good than harm
2008-01-06 15:27 * Schroeder is a longtime Colts fan
2008-01-06 15:27 < Schroeder> the last ten years have been awesome
2008-01-06 15:28 * Grammaticus only favors Negro league baseball.
2008-01-06 15:28 < Kalir> http://www.qwantz.com/archive/000597.html I agree with the T-rex here, can someone explain the Utahraptor's point of view?
2008-01-06 15:55 * Ceiling_Cat watches ST47
2008-01-06 16:00 * Shiroi_Neko watches Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-06 16:00 * Shiroi_Neko watches Ceiling_Cat watch White_Cat
2008-01-06 16:00 < Shiroi_Neko> awww
2008-01-06 16:00 < Shiroi_Neko> <3
2008-01-06 16:01 * Ceiling_Cat absorbs Shiroi_Neko's powers
2008-01-06 16:01 < NotACow> Dtobias: above water?
2008-01-06 16:04 < Ionas_Freeman> I finally got my head out of my ass about Brandt.
2008-01-06 16:06 < Ionas_Freeman> Sure, Brandt was helpful by outing Slimvirgin, because she was abusive and deserved it by outing other editors ("Private checkuser requests", cla68)
2008-01-06 16:06 < Ionas_Freeman> However, it was none of his business about others, such as Katefan0.
2008-01-06 16:07 < Ionas_Freeman> Brandt is also a bigot, an ageist, a moron, and an asshole to Phaedriel.
2008-01-06 16:09 < Ionas_Freeman> He is not the "truth-teller" that I thought he was. He just likes to put people's information out for attention, I think, like a playground game.
2008-01-06 16:09 < Ionas_Freeman> "Shemale! Transsexual! Teenager!", shouts Brandt.
2008-01-06 16:10 * Cyrius doesn't care.
2008-01-06 16:10 < mavhk> it's more interesting when your critics are raving lunatics, I'm sure evolutionists feel the same
2008-01-06 16:11 < Cyrius> it gets tiresome
2008-01-06 16:11 < Ionas_Freeman> cyrius:what?
2008-01-06 16:11 < Cyrius> dealing with raving lunatics
2008-01-06 16:11 < Ionas_Freeman> like Brandt.
2008-01-06 16:11 < mavhk> sigh, I meant aren't, not are
2008-01-06 16:11 < mavhk> hate it when that happens
2008-01-06 16:12 < Ionas_Freeman> first I thought so highly of Brandt, and people said I was a troll, and I thought "What the fuck?", then I realised, I was brainwashed.
2008-01-06 16:13 < mavhk> why did you think highly?
2008-01-06 16:13 < Ionas_Freeman> Oh, I thought he was some truth teller, and I don't know what it was, I was really just, dumb.
2008-01-06 16:14 < Cyrius> saw a revolutionary instead of a loudmouth
2008-01-06 16:14 < Ionas_Freeman> cyrius:???
2008-01-06 16:14 < Ionas_Freeman> What does that mean
2008-01-06 16:15 < Cyrius> it means you looked at brandt, and saw him as a revolutionary taking on the corrupt establishment, rather than some guy yelling at people
2008-01-06 16:15 < Ionas_Freeman> Yes, I did! Thanks for understanding!
2008-01-06 16:15 < Cyrius> try not to let it happen again
2008-01-06 16:16 < Ionas_Freeman> yeah.
2008-01-06 16:16 < Cyrius> Wikipedia can have problems AND critics can be jerks, they're not mutually exclusive
2008-01-06 16:17 < Ionas_Freeman> Once I saw how he acted towards Phaedriel, he started telling her she was a felon under a law that Bush signed about annoyance and harassment and accused her of gushy love-bombing, I realised how he was basically a troll.
2008-01-06 16:21 < Ionas_Freeman> I still think that people's biography should be deleted by request, if the subject considers it libelous (whether Merkey, Finkelstein or Brandt). However Brandt's biography should only be deleted under the condition that he remove Hivemind.
2008-01-06 16:22 < Ionas_Freeman> Lest I would start recruiting people over the internet to spread his biography everywhere, and I myself would do the same, like
2008-01-06 16:22 < Ionas_Freeman> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
2008-01-06 16:24 < Ionas_Freeman> *Ionas_Freeman wonders why no-one's talking
2008-01-06 16:24 < Phoenix-wiki> wow, drama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Rollback_abuse.3F
2008-01-06 16:29 < Ionas_Freeman> Just 'zis Economical, Dreamy Mascot GUY, you know?
2008-01-06 16:30 < LadySerena> is it normal for the audio clip widget on Wikipedia to take about a minute to load and stall the browser for a few seconds?
2008-01-06 16:30 < NotASpy> yeah.
2008-01-06 16:30 < Phoenix-wiki> LadySerena: No
2008-01-06 16:30 < Dtobias> I don't like the idea of making quid-pro-quo demands on people.
2008-01-06 16:30 < NotASpy> it does for me anyway.
2008-01-06 16:31 < Dtobias> It's bad when Brandt does it, but worse when Wikipedia tries to do it to him, using articles as a bargaining chip.
2008-01-06 16:32 < lc2> Dtobias: if he really believes that the mere existence of an article on him is a privacy violation, then he would be expected to act consistently with that
2008-01-06 16:32 < lc2> he doesn't act consistently with that, ergo, he's probably just a troll
2008-01-06 16:33 * Ceiling_Cat returns
2008-01-06 16:33 < lc2> and should not be taken seriously
2008-01-06 16:33 < lc2> hi Ceiling_Cat
2008-01-06 16:33 < Ceiling_Cat> hello lc2
2008-01-06 16:33 < Cyrius> that's what I should do, get a cheeseburger
2008-01-06 16:34 < Cyrius> the presence of ceiling cat inspires!
2008-01-06 16:34 < Ionas_Freeman> Ic2, no. If he considers it to be a privacy violation, I think such things should be deleted, troll or not, because i don't think anyone would troll about such things.
2008-01-06 16:34 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Cyrius
2008-01-06 16:34 < lc2> Ionas_Freeman: that's LC2
2008-01-06 16:34 < Ionas_Freeman> Oh.
2008-01-06 16:34 < Ionas_Freeman> l and I look the same on my client.
2008-01-06 16:35 < lc2> mhm
2008-01-06 16:35 < lc2> you need a better font
2008-01-06 16:35 < Cyrius> elceeto
2008-01-06 16:35 < Ionas_Freeman> Elceeto?
2008-01-06 16:35 < lc2> anyway, it looks like he's trolling, given that he posts dox on wikipedia administrators etc (who are not public figures)
2008-01-06 16:35 < Cyrius> I was proposing a silly alternate spelling of "lc2"
2008-01-06 16:35 < Ionas_Freeman> true that.
2008-01-06 16:36 < Cyrius> you don't seem well adapted for the weirdness in here =)
2008-01-06 16:36 < Ionas_Freeman> cyrius:Aah. I didn't get that <duh>
2008-01-06 16:36 < lc2> if he really thought that the existence of an article about him is a privacy violation, then he wouldn't go violating others privacy
2008-01-06 16:36 < Ionas_Freeman> nah, I haven't experienced it a lot.
2008-01-06 16:36 < lc2> so either a) he doesn't value privacy that much after all b) he thinks he's the only one that deserves privacy despite being a public figure c) he's trolling
2008-01-06 16:37 < Ionas_Freeman> He is not a privacy advocate, but he's selfish. You convinced me, lc2.
2008-01-06 16:37 < lc2> Ionas_Freeman: hokay
2008-01-06 16:37 < Ionas_Freeman> B and C
2008-01-06 16:37 < lc2> it's a shame because he does raise some valid concerns
2008-01-06 16:37 < lc2> he just does it in a totally stupid way
2008-01-06 16:38 < Dtobias> That's true of many of the prominent figures, both pro- and anti-Wikipedia... they're insufferable whether they happen to be right or wrong about some particular thing.
2008-01-06 16:38 < Ionas_Freeman> He does, but I think when he does something like accusing Phaedriel of being a felon when she acts in good faith, he's trolling.
2008-01-06 16:39 < lc2> Ionas_Freeman: yeah, pretty much
2008-01-06 16:40 < Ionas_Freeman> When he makes legal threats, the lawsuits never go anywhere. That's why I think he's trolling when he does that too.
2008-01-06 16:40 < lc2> maybe
2008-01-06 16:41 < Ionas_Freeman> He's so up about violating others' privacy, maybe somebody can threaten him with a lawsuit and mean serious business.
2008-01-06 16:42 < Ionas_Freeman> When everybody gets out of the courtroom, take some pictures of Brandt, and post them on the internet.
2008-01-06 16:43 < lc2> i think that would be uncalled for
2008-01-06 16:43 < lc2> i think it's best just to ignore him
2008-01-06 16:43 < Ionas_Freeman> Maybe, but it was still wrong to put hivemind.
2008-01-06 16:44 < Ionas_Freeman> yeah, dont feed the \trolls.
2008-01-06 16:44 < Ionas_Freeman> trolls *
2008-01-06 16:44 < lc2> mhm
2008-01-06 16:45 < Phoenix-wiki> XD XD XD XD http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:DRAMA&redirect=no
2008-01-06 16:45 < lc2> well, if he weren't so necessary i'd say it'd be best to pretend he doesn't exist
2008-01-06 16:45 < lc2> problem is, he does raise valid issues every now and then
2008-01-06 16:46 < lc2> Phoenix-wiki: heh
2008-01-06 16:46 < Dtobias> If Wikipedia didn't have a "Two Minute Hate" style arch-enemy, it'd have to invent one.
2008-01-06 16:46 < CMoreschi> circular blackmail is quite immature
2008-01-06 16:46 < CMoreschi> we should know better
2008-01-06 16:47 < Ceiling_Cat> oh lord
2008-01-06 16:47 < Ceiling_Cat> this photosubmission queue is too much
2008-01-06 16:48 < Ceiling_Cat> someone complained about one of our pictures illustrating a particular ethnicity, and sent us pictures of himself to replace it with
2008-01-06 16:48 < Ionas_Freeman> I want to know is where Daniel got a picture of Phaedriel that is no where else on the net? Maybe him and Amorrow are friends.
2008-01-06 16:48 < Ceiling_Cat> (the one we have now is, IMO, substantially better)
2008-01-06 16:49 < Messedrocker> Ionas_Freeman, I thought Amorrow was from Chicago
2008-01-06 16:50 < Ionas_Freeman> Amorrow? No, he gave his address and phone number and said he was from Palo Alto, CA.
2008-01-06 16:50 < Messedrocker> oh
2008-01-06 16:51 < Ionas_Freeman> Brandt lives in Texas, however they could pass pictures over the net.
2008-01-06 16:51 < Ionas_Freeman> Got to go.
2008-01-06 16:51 < Warpath> >:(
2008-01-06 16:55 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles Cometstyles
2008-01-06 16:55 * Cometstyles butt huggles Ceiling_Cat :DD
2008-01-06 16:55 < Master_son> hey now keep it in private guys
2008-01-06 16:56 < Cometstyles> okay 9_9
2008-01-06 16:56 * Ceiling_Cat puts on wizard robe and hat, pulls curtain around himself and Cometstyles
2008-01-06 16:57 < Cometstyles> eekk O_o
2008-01-06 16:57 * Cometstyles runs !!!
2008-01-06 16:57 * Cometstyles hides under Barliner
2008-01-06 16:58 < Ionas_Freeman> Im back!
2008-01-06 16:58 < Cometstyles> who cares :)
2008-01-06 17:08 < kushal> wikipedia logo is under which license ?
2008-01-06 17:09 < Cometstyles> GFDL ?
2008-01-06 17:09 < animum> LDFG?
2008-01-06 17:10 < Ionas_Freeman> I am unsure. Wikimedia logos are said to be copyrighted, however Wiki(p|m)edia is under GFDL, so maybe it is contradictory. Maybe you should contact Jimbo, a steward or somebody like that,
2008-01-06 17:11 < kushal> Ionas_Freeman, ok, I am confused ..
2008-01-06 17:11 < Ionas_Freeman> me too. That's why I recommend you contact a steward.
2008-01-06 17:12 < kushal> Ionas_Freeman, btw, who is steward ?
2008-01-06 17:12 < Ionas_Freeman> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward here are they
2008-01-06 17:13 < kushal> any steward here ?
2008-01-06 17:14 < Mahlzahn__> Ionas: GFDL does not mean free-of-copyright
2008-01-06 17:15 < kushal> Mahlzahn__, I want to know about the license though
2008-01-06 17:15 < Ionas_Freeman> no, but I tried to make it simple. GFDL is copyleft, a form of copyright, with certain devices to allow sharing, etc. This may be strange to a person new to the terms.
2008-01-06 17:15 < DerHexer> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Logo ?
2008-01-06 17:16 < DerHexer> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Logo_and_trademark_policy ?
2008-01-06 17:17 < Mahlzahn__> kushal: WP:COPYRIGHT
2008-01-06 17:17 < Ionas_Freeman> � & ? All rights reserved, Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
2008-01-06 17:17 < Ionas_Freeman> This image (or parts of it) is copyrighted by the Wikimedia Foundation. It is (or includes) one of the official logos or designs used by the Wikimedia foundation or by one of its projects. Notwithstanding any other statements, this image has not been licensed under the GFDL. Use of the Wikimedia logo is subject to the Wikimedia visual identity guidelines and requires permission.
2008-01-06 17:17 < Ionas_Freeman> Wikipedia� is a registered trademark of Wikimedia Foundation, Inc."
2008-01-06 17:17 * DerHexer sees some stewards here ...
2008-01-06 17:17 < Ionas_Freeman> this violates the GFDL, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikipedia-logo.png
2008-01-06 17:18 < animum> DerHexer, where? ;-)
2008-01-06 17:18 < DerHexer> I don't know. Maybe they hide themselves.
2008-01-06 17:18 < shimgray> Ionas_Freeman: How does it "violate the GFDL"? It explicitly states it isn't licensed under it.
2008-01-06 17:19 < Mahlzahn__> Ionas: you take and do with it whatever you like (except misrepresent its origin or original purpose)
2008-01-06 17:19 < Mahlzahn__> oh really?! well then, not even that.
2008-01-06 17:19 < Ionas_Freeman> Malzahn:?
2008-01-06 17:19 < Mahlzahn__> first line to you, second to shimgray
2008-01-06 17:20 < Ionas_Freeman> Why not under GFDL?
2008-01-06 17:20 < Mahlzahn__> because of the potential for misuse?
2008-01-06 17:20 < Ionas_Freeman> What would constitute misuse?
2008-01-06 17:20 < Mahlzahn__> people selling print Wikipedias for example?
2008-01-06 17:22 < mavhk> it's an interesting question, everything is free except your branding
2008-01-06 17:22 * Mahlzahn__ is so glad that the country he lives in gives greater weight to spirit of the law than letter of the law.
2008-01-06 17:25 < Agamemnon2> hello
2008-01-06 17:25 < DerHexer> Mahlzahn_, Düsseldorf?
2008-01-06 17:25 < Super_Cas> hi
2008-01-06 17:25 < DerHexer> Kiel?
2008-01-06 17:25 < Agamemnon2> could someone look at [[Hajime Sorayama]] for me
2008-01-06 17:25 < DerHexer> Erfurt?
2008-01-06 17:25 < Agamemnon2> it's been cut down in what I feel was an unjustifiable edit
2008-01-06 17:25 < Mahlzahn_> DerHexer: Düsseldorf was closer
2008-01-06 17:25 < DerHexer> http://samspade.org/whois/77.131.82.3
2008-01-06 17:25 < DerHexer> :P
2008-01-06 17:26 < Mahlzahn_> :)
2008-01-06 17:26 < DerHexer> Well, it's late, good night.
2008-01-06 17:26 < Mahlzahn_> g'night
2008-01-06 17:27 < Mahlzahn_> Agamemnon2: what specifically would you like me to look at?
2008-01-06 17:27 < Mahlzahn_> nm
2008-01-06 17:27 < Agamemnon2> a fairly regular editor cut out all content, with the rationale "stub BLP", but there's apparently no discussion on it
2008-01-06 17:28 < Mahlzahn_> looking
2008-01-06 17:28 < Agamemnon2> I don't see any BLP issues as having been raised, only some concern about the way Sorayama's art should be categorized (is it "erotic art" or not)
2008-01-06 17:30 < Mahlzahn_> yes, he's being belligerent. Blanking is not going forward.
2008-01-06 17:31 < Mahlzahn_> But the article is very badly written.
2008-01-06 17:32 < Mahlzahn_> And has no sources even for "he claims"
2008-01-06 17:33 < Agamemnon2> yup, quite crappy
2008-01-06 17:33 < Agamemnon2> Not really worth a rollback
2008-01-06 17:33 < Mahlzahn_> POV=October 2006 unreferenced=November 2006 cleanup=August 2007 trivia=June 2007
2008-01-06 17:37 < Agamemnon2> It's a problem with fringe articles like that, they usually either rot or turn into horrible biased rubbish
2008-01-06 17:42 < Golbez> how do i find out in php what the leftmost characters of a string are? like "if leftmost($string) == "select""
2008-01-06 17:43 < nazgjunk> substr, i'd say
2008-01-06 17:44 < nazgjunk> with negative values somewhere
2008-01-06 17:44 < Agamemnon2> http://fi2.php.net/manual/fi/function.substr.php
2008-01-06 17:45 < Golbez> yeah i found substr
2008-01-06 17:45 < Golbez> thanks
2008-01-06 17:45 < Agamemnon2> substr with (0, X) will get you the X characters
2008-01-06 17:49 < nazgjunk> oh wait, leftmost
2008-01-06 17:49 < nazgjunk> i was thinking right
2008-01-06 17:49 < nazgjunk> but yeah >.>
2008-01-06 17:55 < Mahlzahn_> Agamemnon2: do you know anything about Sorayama? I'm rewriting it right now.
2008-01-06 18:09 < cctoide> What happened to the FA picture?
2008-01-06 18:09 < Aqwis> was there ever one?
2008-01-06 18:10 < Krimpet> cctoide: someone may have removed it as unfree
2008-01-06 18:12 < The359> I don't recall it having one
2008-01-06 18:40 < Mahlzahn_> bah.
2008-01-06 18:50 < UninvitedCompany> Leslie_S : ping
2008-01-06 19:01 < Ceiling_Cat> too quiet in here
2008-01-06 19:03 < Not_the_NSA> Ceiling_Cat: YOU SHOULD BRING LOUD_CAT IN TO MAKE IT LOUDER
2008-01-06 19:04 < Cyndre> hi
2008-01-06 19:08 < NotACow> kill the wabbit!
2008-01-06 19:10 < NotASpy> catch the pigeon!
2008-01-06 19:10 < mavhk> verb the noun
2008-01-06 19:12 < Ionas_Fre> a
2008-01-06 19:15 < Ionas-Freeman> Just 'zis (Economical)Guy, ya know?
2008-01-06 19:15 * Ceiling_Cat agrees with Not_the_NSA
2008-01-06 19:21 < Ionas-Freeman> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&contribs=user&target=SlimVirgin this] seems so odd, that SlimVirgin's first contribution was to her archive.
2008-01-06 19:22 < Ionas-Freeman> Has Slimvirgin edited other another account (other than Sweet Blue Water)?
2008-01-06 19:22 < Random832> Ionas-Freeman: the archive thing isn't that odd
2008-01-06 19:22 < Random832> keep in mind that moving a page changes the name of the page that all contributions are under
2008-01-06 19:23 < The359> heh
2008-01-06 19:24 * The359 likes going through the interwiki links on [[2008 Dakar Rally]] and seeing who just copied and directly translated the English article
2008-01-06 19:24 < Ionas-Freeman> so what happened?
2008-01-06 19:24 < The359> http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rali_Dakar_2008 Not trying very hard...
2008-01-06 19:24 < Random832> Ionas-Freeman: you don't want to get involved in this
2008-01-06 19:26 < Random832> [Ionas_F]: stop it
2008-01-06 19:26 < [Ionas_F]> mmm. kay. I am new to IRC and I keep accidentally clicking myself off. A box that says Rando,832 keeps popping up with messages and I don't know wtf. HELP
2008-01-06 19:27 < Random832> i'm trying to send you a private message
2008-01-06 19:27 < Random832> what kind of irc client are you using?
2008-01-06 19:27 < Starnestommy> lvirc?
2008-01-06 19:27 < Starnestommy> *kvirc
2008-01-06 19:27 < [Ionas_F]> KVIrc
2008-01-06 19:28 < Random832> I don't know how the kvirc interface looks like
2008-01-06 19:28 < Random832> i'll install it and try to walk you through common things
2008-01-06 19:30 < Random832> [Ionas_F]: you there?
2008-01-06 19:30 < [Ionas_F]> yeah
2008-01-06 19:31 < [Ionas_F]> will be back
2008-01-06 19:32 < Random832> [Ionas_F]: ok, there's (by default) a thing at the left that letsy ou switch between different channels and private messages
2008-01-06 19:33 < [Ionas_F]> yes. On mine it is on the bottom.
2008-01-06 19:34 < [Ionas_F]> I use 3.0.0
2008-01-06 19:34 < Random832> eh
2008-01-06 19:35 < Random832> well anyway that way you can switch between them without closing them
2008-01-06 19:35 < Random832> [Ionas_F] clearly you are doing it wrong.
2008-01-06 19:39 < mavhk> pity software doesn't come with manuals anymore
2008-01-06 19:40 < gwern> unless it's gnu software, in which case the manual could kill a horse
2008-01-06 19:42 < Random832> _Ionas_F_: Now you have two different connections
2008-01-06 19:43 < Random832> hmm
2008-01-06 19:44 < _Ionas_F_> Now, I have 4 things open that say "kornbluth.freenode.net", one that says Random832, and one that says #wikipedia (this one)
2008-01-06 19:44 < Random832> um
2008-01-06 19:44 < Random832> it sounds like you have four different connections
2008-01-06 19:44 < Random832> you've been making a new connection each time you left the channel?
2008-01-06 19:45 < _Ionas_F_> should I click off some of those windows?
2008-01-06 19:45 < Random832> close three of the ones that say freenode.net, then if the channel goes away, type /join #wikipedia in one of them
2008-01-06 19:45 < Random832> [in the one that's left]
2008-01-06 19:48 < The359> Proben?
2008-01-06 19:50 < FastLizard4> woah, what was that?
2008-01-06 19:51 < Starnestommy> autoremove
2008-01-06 19:53 < kibble> FastLizard4: /msg chanserv help autorem
2008-01-06 19:53 < FastLizard4> kibble: I know what AUTOREM is, I use it on my channels
2008-01-06 19:53 < kibble> k :-)
2008-01-06 19:54 < kibble> you just seemed suprised :-P
2008-01-06 20:05 < chuck> say hi
2008-01-06 20:05 < chuck> oops, sorry
2008-01-06 20:05 < Dtobias> hi
2008-01-06 20:05 < Dtobias> say ahhhhhhh
2008-01-06 20:06 < chuck> hi
2008-01-06 20:11 < Xihix> Psst, Ceiling_Cat...
2008-01-06 20:11 < Xihix> hmm, seems to not be here.
2008-01-06 20:11 < Xihix> I wonder if I can persuade him to not let that main page request on the 1st of Febuary pass?
2008-01-06 20:13 < The359> you have to be kidding me
2008-01-06 20:13 < Xihix> :(
2008-01-06 20:13 < Xihix> I didn't know you could uhh
2008-01-06 20:13 < Xihix> request so early
2008-01-06 20:13 < Xihix> and it turns out someone just requested it!
2008-01-06 20:14 < Xihix> Wouldn't anyone else here want to see [[Dookie]] on the front page rather than some Lost related thing?
2008-01-06 20:14 < Evil_Monkey> why shouldn't it be on the main page?
2008-01-06 20:14 < The359> you want an article to be turned down just so your article can takes its place?
2008-01-06 20:15 < Xihix> ... Because 1st is my day :(
2008-01-06 20:15 < Xihix> oh well
2008-01-06 20:15 < Xihix> I guess I'll settle with the 31st.
2008-01-06 20:15 < Evil_Monkey> ahhh, i thought there was a real reason :-P
2008-01-06 20:20 < Dtobias> Xihix: For bowel movements, see [[defecation]].
2008-01-06 20:21 < Dtobias> [[Doody]] is a surname, of Irish heritage.
2008-01-06 20:22 < quanticle> Xihix: How is the first "your day"? I don't recall seeing any decree stating that Feb. 1 was Xihix day...
2008-01-06 20:22 < IceKarma> I bet it's an Anglicization of something awful like Dhuidheagh
2008-01-06 20:33 < Xihix> back.
2008-01-06 20:33 < Xihix> You guys need to settle down, jeez. I just said it was my day in a not serious way
2008-01-06 20:33 < Xihix> I really would like the day, but it's gone.
2008-01-06 20:36 < quanticle> Xihix: Heh. I wasn't being serious. Settle down...
2008-01-06 20:36 < quanticle> :)
2008-01-06 20:37 < quanticle> Dtobias: Heh. That must be an awful surname to have as a kid...
2008-01-06 20:37 < nell> salve a tutti!! :)
2008-01-06 20:38 < quanticle> nell: Huh?
2008-01-06 20:38 < nell> azz ma qui parlano inglese! :|
2008-01-06 20:38 < Xihix> Hey guys
2008-01-06 20:38 < Xihix> question
2008-01-06 20:38 < Xihix> you know Wikipedia's weird timing?
2008-01-06 20:39 < Cyrius> ...weird timing?
2008-01-06 20:39 < Cyrius> we time the weird?
2008-01-06 20:39 < Xihix> If I nominate an article for the 31st, could it show up on Febuary 1st in GMT -5?
2008-01-06 20:40 < Xihix> you know what I mean, Cyrius...
2008-01-06 20:40 < quanticle> Xihix: Well, aren't the main WP servers in GMT -5
2008-01-06 20:40 < Mike_H> It's '80s night on Deal or No Deal
2008-01-06 20:40 < Xihix> yes, but
2008-01-06 20:40 < Mike_H> in addition to the families off in the wings advising the contestants to deal or no deal
2008-01-06 20:40 < Xihix> ok, when you sign off, for example
2008-01-06 20:40 < Cyrius> the servers run on GMT (or UTC, I can't keep the difference straight)
2008-01-06 20:40 < Mike_H> there's also Debbie Gibson and Corey Feldman
2008-01-06 20:40 < Mike_H> no doubt those two jumped at the chance for work
2008-01-06 20:40 < Xihix> It doesn't show the time in your time zone
2008-01-06 20:40 < Xihix> it shows the GMT one
2008-01-06 20:40 < FastLizard4> Cyrius: No diff between GMT and UTC
2008-01-06 20:40 < Cyrius> FastLizard4: there is a difference, I can never remember what it is
2008-01-06 20:41 < Xihix> So, at 8:00 PM on the 31st
2008-01-06 20:41 < nell> but there are only foreign??
2008-01-06 20:41 < Xihix> could the 31st be the 1st of Febuary?
2008-01-06 20:41 < Dtobias> Mike_H: She prefers to be called "Deborah Gibson" now.
2008-01-06 20:41 < Cyrius> nell: don't know what you're asking
2008-01-06 20:41 < FastLizard4> Cyrius: No, because PST is both GMT -08:00 and UTC -08:00
2008-01-06 20:41 < Mike_H> Dtobias: The world prefers to call her "a has-been" now.
2008-01-06 20:41 < nell> is there a chanel for italian??
2008-01-06 20:41 < FastLizard4> There is no difference between UTC and GMT
2008-01-06 20:42 < Mike_H> nell: #wikipedia-it
2008-01-06 20:42 < Dtobias> FastLizard4: Technically, a possible fraction of a second depending on leap second status.
2008-01-06 20:42 < Cyrius> GMT != UTC
2008-01-06 20:42 < nell> good!!
2008-01-06 20:42 < quanticle> Cyrius: What's the difference. AFAIK GMT was selected to be the UTC reference time
2008-01-06 20:42 < Random832> how the hell is GMT!=UTC
2008-01-06 20:42 < nell> tnx mike!! :)
2008-01-06 20:42 < Random832> GMT == UTC+0, just like EST == UTC-5
2008-01-06 20:43 < Random832> 0 is the additive identity
2008-01-06 20:43 < FastLizard4> Cyrius: GMT and UTC are one and the same
2008-01-06 20:43 < Dtobias> GMT is the mean solar time on the Greenwich Meridian, while UTC is an atomic-clock-based time that approximates it.
2008-01-06 20:43 < FastLizard4> Dtobias: No
2008-01-06 20:43 < FastLizard4> Dtobias: UTC and GMT are the same
2008-01-06 20:43 < Cyrius> Dtobias is correct
2008-01-06 20:44 < FastLizard4> It dosen't matter what you use to tell the time, but the are the same time
2008-01-06 20:44 < FastLizard4> s/the/they
2008-01-06 20:44 < LuciferTiger> that does the s/the/they thing mean/
2008-01-06 20:44 < quanticle> Cyrius: Right, but the difference between the two is less than a microsecond, so, for all conventional intents and purposes, the two are the same
2008-01-06 20:44 < Dtobias> If you use a sundial, it may differ.
2008-01-06 20:44 < Dtobias> Especially at night.
2008-01-06 20:44 < LuciferTiger> i've seen it used with a cpl other words too
2008-01-06 20:45 < quanticle> LuciferTiger: Its a regular expression
2008-01-06 20:45 < FastLizard4> Dtobias: Sundials don't work at night
2008-01-06 20:45 < Cyrius> yes, for purposes of telling somebody when they have to be at the airport, UTC is the same as GMT
2008-01-06 20:45 < FastLizard4> It's like saying that London time and GMT are different due to a few dozen miles
2008-01-06 20:45 < nell> umm going a sleep......see yaa!!!O____O
2008-01-06 20:45 < Mike_H> bye nell
2008-01-06 20:45 < Dtobias> And for much of the year, Britain is on BST (British Summer Time), which is an hour off.
2008-01-06 20:46 < Ceiling_Cat> goodnight Mike_H
2008-01-06 20:46 < nell> by mike! :)
2008-01-06 20:46 < FastLizard4> Dtobias: It's like saying that London *standard* time and GMT are different due to a few dozen miles
2008-01-06 20:46 < Cyrius> FastLizard4: one is based on atomic clocks, one is based on the wobbly rotation of the earth
2008-01-06 20:46 < quanticle> Dtobias: The Brits do Daylight Savings Time as well? I thought we Americans were the only ones
2008-01-06 20:46 < FastLizard4> Cyrius: The difference is aproximately 1x10^-9 seconds
2008-01-06 20:46 < Cyrius> "Civil time in the UK is legally (but not practically) still based on astronomical GMT, not UTC. "
2008-01-06 20:47 < Cyrius> quanticle: most of europe, even
2008-01-06 20:47 * Ceiling_Cat freezes quanticle
2008-01-06 20:47 < FastLizard4> actually, 1x10^-10 seconds
2008-01-06 20:47 < Cyrius> FastLizard4: the point is that they are not, in fact, the same
2008-01-06 20:47 < Cyrius> although for practical purposes, they can be treated as such
2008-01-06 20:47 < Cyrius> holy crap, [[Daylight saving time]] is a FA?
2008-01-06 20:47 * FastLizard4 can't believe that Cyrius cares about 1x10^-10 seconds
2008-01-06 20:48 * quanticle wonders if Cyrius is a physicist
2008-01-06 20:48 < FastLizard4> Cyrius: Really, can 1x10^-10 seconds really even be measured?
2008-01-06 20:48 < Cyrius> quanticle: no, but I've had too much physics education for a non-physicist
2008-01-06 20:48 < Cyrius> FastLizard4: sure, how did you think GPS worked?
2008-01-06 20:49 < FastLizard4> Cyrius: GPS uses triangulation to tell you where you are on the globe, and you simply can't get the accuracy required to measure 1x10^-10 seconds (.0000000001) whether in a time or coordinate sense
2008-01-06 20:50 < FastLizard4> Cyrius: You can't tell me what your location is on the globe down to the hundred billionth of a second
2008-01-06 20:51 < Cyrius> ok, it's not quite _that_ many decimals
2008-01-06 20:51 < FastLizard4> yes it is
2008-01-06 20:51 < Cyrius> I'm talking about GPS.
2008-01-06 20:51 < Cyrius> but that's just something you can carry around in your pocket
2008-01-06 20:51 < FastLizard4> 1 x 10 to the poser of negative 10
2008-01-06 20:52 < FastLizard4> Cyrius: You can't measure the hundred billionth of a second, no matter what it is for, GPS or time, because the units are so small!
2008-01-06 20:52 < FastLizard4> and yes, it is .0000000001
2008-01-06 20:52 < Cyrius> ...you don't even know what I'm talking about, do you?
2008-01-06 20:53 < FastLizard4> (No, it's .000000001)
2008-01-06 20:53 < FastLizard4> Cyrius: You are talking about the difference between GMT and UTC, which is about 1x10^-10 seconds
2008-01-06 20:54 < shimgray> 1E-10 s is... hmm, milli -3 micro -6 nano -9... tenth of a nanosecond?
2008-01-06 20:54 < FastLizard4> precisely
2008-01-06 20:54 < shimgray> I'm sure we can measure that.
2008-01-06 20:55 < FastLizard4> shimgray: Even atomic clocks can't get that accurate
2008-01-06 20:55 < LuciferTiger> and by the time u realize that you did... it would have passed. basically we dont have any machines at the moment which would need that kind of a measurement
2008-01-06 20:55 < Cyrius> FastLizard4: the atomic clocks on the NAVSTAR array are accurate to 2 x 10^-13
2008-01-06 20:56 < FastLizard4> *2* x 10^-13, not 1 x 10^-10
2008-01-06 20:56 < Cyrius> ...
2008-01-06 20:56 < Cyrius> you _are_ an idiot, aren't you
2008-01-06 20:56 < shimgray> FastLizard4: um
2008-01-06 20:56 < FastLizard4> right, -13...
2008-01-06 20:57 < FastLizard4> (read that as a 10)
2008-01-06 20:57 < Cyrius> they maintain an accuracy 500x better than what you claim is possible
2008-01-06 20:58 < FastLizard4> Cyrius: Read what LuciferTiger wrote
2008-01-06 20:58 < FastLizard4> By the time the satellites have calculated the -13, that time has passed
2008-01-06 20:59 * Inke tapdances into the channel
2008-01-06 20:59 < Ceiling_Cat> oh snap
2008-01-06 20:59 < Ceiling_Cat> CyclePat is unbanned
2008-01-06 20:59 < FastLizard4> Sure, they can calculate it, but it's useless by the time you get it
2008-01-06 20:59 < quanticle> FastLizard4: What do you mean "calculated". To "calculate" time, all you need is something that ticks. We have things that tick that quickly.
2008-01-06 21:00 < FastLizard4> quanticle: I know, Cesium for example
2008-01-06 21:00 < FastLizard4> quanticle: Poor choice of words, what I should have said instead of calculate there would be that by the time you actually get the information, that time has passed
2008-01-06 21:01 < Cyrius> look, what's your actual point?
2008-01-06 21:01 < Cyrius> GMT != UTC
2008-01-06 21:01 < Mahlzahn_> FastLizard4: thats why you pre-compensate
2008-01-06 21:01 < quanticle> FastLizard4: Not necessarily useless. If you're measuring delays, for GPS or physics experiments with the speed of light, being able to measure tiny amounts of time like that is pretty useful
2008-01-06 21:01 < FastLizard4> quanticle: Correct
2008-01-06 21:01 < FastLizard4> ...but for the normal sense, *there is absolutely no difference between GMT and UTC*
2008-01-06 21:01 < Cyrius> yes, and I agreed with that like an hour ago
2008-01-06 21:02 < Mahlzahn_> but its 1 second in 13 billion years!!!
2008-01-06 21:02 < Mahlzahn_> (kidding)
2008-01-06 21:02 < LuciferTiger> they why in the name of my kingdom are we stil arguing?
2008-01-06 21:02 < quanticle> Dunno
2008-01-06 21:02 < Cyrius> fundamentally, not the same thing; practically, no difference
2008-01-06 21:02 < Mahlzahn_> because its in the name of your kingdom?
2008-01-06 21:02 < Cyrius> it's like saying newton's laws of motion are wrong
2008-01-06 21:02 < quanticle> Cyrius, practical trumps fundamental most any day
2008-01-06 21:02 < Cyrius> they are, but you can still build a bridge with them
2008-01-06 21:02 < Mahlzahn_> can we have another kingdom now though?
2008-01-06 21:03 < LuciferTiger> sure
2008-01-06 21:03 < Mahlzahn_> and a bumblebee can still fly
2008-01-06 21:03 < Mahlzahn_> even though by all physical laws it shouldn't be able to
2008-01-06 21:03 < quanticle> Mahlzahn, Wrong
2008-01-06 21:04 < Mahlzahn_> the problem is... the bumblebee doesn't know that
2008-01-06 21:04 < Cyrius> Mahlzahn: they figured that one out ages ago
2008-01-06 21:04 < Mahlzahn_> bah
2008-01-06 21:04 < quanticle> Mahlzahn: Thats because the scientist assumed a rigid wing
2008-01-06 21:04 < quanticle> Mahlzahn: A bumblebee's wing is flexible
2008-01-06 21:04 < Mahlzahn_> keep going
2008-01-06 21:04 * Mahlzahn_ is interested
2008-01-06 21:05 * LuciferTiger is too
2008-01-06 21:05 * Mahlzahn_ prods quanticle
2008-01-06 21:05 < quanticle> Mahlzahn: I really don't know much more than that. Apparently the difference is on the order of airplane vs. helicoper
2008-01-06 21:05 < Cyrius> http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_045.html
2008-01-06 21:05 < Cyrius> quanticle has the straight dope answer =)
2008-01-06 21:05 < quanticle> Thanks Cyrius
2008-01-06 21:05 < Mahlzahn_> thanks
2008-01-06 21:06 < LuciferTiger> thanks
2008-01-06 21:06 * Mike_H pets blank_page
2008-01-06 21:06 * quanticle writes on blank_page
2008-01-06 21:07 * Cyrius makes a paper airplane
2008-01-06 21:07 < quanticle> I mean, what else are you supposed to do with one?
2008-01-06 21:07 < blank_page> ^.^
2008-01-06 21:07 * Mike_H pets quanticle
2008-01-06 21:07 * quanticle is petted
2008-01-06 21:08 < Cyrius> the flexibility and roughness of bee wings is apparently another factor
2008-01-06 21:08 < Mahlzahn_> Cyrius: that is a super nifty explanation. Even I the dunderhead understood it.
2008-01-06 21:08 < Cyrius> it's kind of hard to put them in wind tunnels =)
2008-01-06 21:08 < Mahlzahn_> I imagine.
2008-01-06 21:08 < Cyrius> Mahlzahn_: that's the author's job, it's a newspaper column
2008-01-06 21:09 < Mahlzahn_> oh!
2008-01-06 21:09 < Ceiling_Cat> So if your black or brown you can make money in America, you can get rich in America... but whatever you decide to do it better be positive, cause if one person is harmed you will be destroyed. You see Oprah she just be giving away money. She's doing that to keep the Feds off her back.
2008-01-06 21:09 < Ceiling_Cat> --Chris Rock
2008-01-06 21:09 < Mahlzahn_> Get Oprah to donate to wp.
2008-01-06 21:09 < LuciferTiger> Thanks Ceiling_Cat i will keep that in mind :P
2008-01-06 21:10 < Mahlzahn_> So, LuciferTiger. Have you done any editing yet? :)
2008-01-06 21:10 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: I've been seeing the one about a "woman president"
2008-01-06 21:10 < quanticle> Cyrius: I also like "Why does sour cream have an expiration date?" http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_162.html
2008-01-06 21:11 < Mahlzahn_> much worse: why is there an expiry date on *salt*?
2008-01-06 21:11 < LuciferTiger> vandalized a cpl articles i didnt agree with.
2008-01-06 21:11 < Mahlzahn_> ah, thats ok then.
2008-01-06 21:11 < Cyrius> salt!?
2008-01-06 21:11 * FastLizard4 reports LuciferTiger to AIV
2008-01-06 21:11 < quanticle> Mahlzahn: There's an expiry date on salt?
2008-01-06 21:11 < Cyrius> sour cream I understand, I've seen it go bad
2008-01-06 21:11 < LuciferTiger> AIV?
2008-01-06 21:11 < Mahlzahn_> yes. Salt has an expiry date too.
2008-01-06 21:11 < LuciferTiger> yeah i saw sour cream going bad too
2008-01-06 21:11 < FastLizard4> Administrator Intervention against Vandalism
2008-01-06 21:11 < Cyrius> salt. wth.
2008-01-06 21:11 < quanticle> Mahlzahn: Perhaps the container isn't fully waterproof
2008-01-06 21:11 < LuciferTiger> and salt i think is just cuz the iodine content diminishes over time
2008-01-06 21:12 < Mahlzahn_> its something to do with packaging, yes.
2008-01-06 21:12 < FastLizard4> Iodine is not necessary in salt
2008-01-06 21:12 < quanticle> Mahlzahn: So the salt itself wouldn't be harmed, but it'd get all clumpy and wouldn't pour right
2008-01-06 21:12 < LuciferTiger> not necessary but recommended
2008-01-06 21:12 < Mahlzahn_> the plastic liner degrades or something.
2008-01-06 21:13 < Mahlzahn_> But I still can't figure it out completely. I think its a hoax.
2008-01-06 21:13 < LuciferTiger> so a can of idoized salt would need to have an expiry date legally cuz after XYZ time it wouldnt be iodized
2008-01-06 21:13 < LuciferTiger> wait i'll check it out for salt
2008-01-06 21:14 < FastLizard4> ···ʇʅɐs ····ɯɯɯɯ
2008-01-06 21:14 < LuciferTiger> yup it has one
2008-01-06 21:15 < LuciferTiger> and its like 2 years from packaging...WTF
2008-01-06 21:15 < Mahlzahn_> precisely. Thats absurd IMO.
2008-01-06 21:15 < LuciferTiger> and its one of those cardboard containers
2008-01-06 21:15 < FastLizard4> ¡pooɓ ʇʅɐs
2008-01-06 21:16 < quanticle> FastLizard4: On #wikipedia we speak right side up like civilized people
2008-01-06 21:16 < LuciferTiger> lol
2008-01-06 21:16 < Mahlzahn_> well, one day after packaging and standing in the rain would prolly turn the salt into Lot's wife
2008-01-06 21:16 < LuciferTiger> rofl... nice analogy Mahlzahn
2008-01-06 21:16 < FastLizard4> Everything quanticle says, I can say upsidedown!
2008-01-06 21:18 < Mahlzahn_> I'm awed.
2008-01-06 21:18 < LuciferTiger> ure what?
2008-01-06 21:18 < Mahlzahn_> about FastLizard4's amazing upsidedown skills.
2008-01-06 21:18 < Mahlzahn_> (not)
2008-01-06 21:19 * quanticle wonders how much time FastLizard4 spent making his upside down writing script
2008-01-06 21:19 < quanticle> Whatever the answer is, its too much
2008-01-06 21:19 < Mahlzahn_> heh
2008-01-06 21:19 < Mahlzahn_> what was the m:xxxx where irc snippets end up?
2008-01-06 21:19 < gwern> what I like about iodized stuff is that it cuts down on the number of retards
2008-01-06 21:20 < LuciferTiger> lol
2008-01-06 21:20 < FastLizard4> quanticle: About 10 minutes
2008-01-06 21:20 < Mahlzahn_> gwern: unfortunately the 'pedia is virtual
2008-01-06 21:21 < gwern> Mahlzahn_: que?
2008-01-06 21:21 < Mahlzahn_> does nothing to prevent the retards on wp
2008-01-06 21:22 < FastLizard4> Mahlzahn_: You need to update your version of ChatZilla
2008-01-06 21:22 < Mahlzahn_> perhaps I need to change by username to User:Iodine before I get RFA'd :p
2008-01-06 21:22 < gwern> Mahlzahn_: sure it does. in the long-run, the fewer retards in the world the fewer will make it to WP, perebus ceteribus (or whatever that phrase is the economists like to say)
2008-01-06 21:23 < FastLizard4> Mahlzahn_: You have ChatZilla 0.9.78.1, the latest is 0.9.79
2008-01-06 21:23 < gwern> paretis ceteribus? eh
2008-01-06 21:23 < Mahlzahn_> FastLizard4: you told me this yesterday already.
2008-01-06 21:23 < FastLizard4> ...and you might get bugged about it until you update it
2008-01-06 21:23 < FastLizard4> The reason being is that your version is rather susceptible to a nasty DoS attack
2008-01-06 21:23 < gwern> FastLizard4: oh noes! he's 0.0.01 versions behind?
2008-01-06 21:24 * gwern notes that Mahlzahn_ is already being subjected to an unpleasant DoS attack
2008-01-06 21:24 < FastLizard4> gwern: And open to a nasty DoS attack
2008-01-06 21:24 * FastLizard4 has to return to school tomorrow :'(
2008-01-06 21:25 < Mahlzahn_> gwern: I am?
2008-01-06 21:25 < Mahlzahn_> all you people who have me on your ignore list should now fess up!
2008-01-06 21:25 < FastLizard4> [INFO] Currently not ignoring anyone.
2008-01-06 21:25 < Cyrius> meee
2008-01-06 21:26 < Mahlzahn_> your ignore is busted :)
2008-01-06 21:26 < gwern> Mahlzahn_: I'll confess, I had you on ignore
2008-01-06 21:26 < Mahlzahn_> mew?
2008-01-06 21:26 * FastLizard4 notes that if Mahlzahn_ were really on your ignroe list, you would not have seen that question
2008-01-06 21:26 * Mahlzahn_ is heartbroken
2008-01-06 21:26 < Mahlzahn_> FastLizard4 is very bright
2008-01-06 21:27 < FastLizard4> Why, thank you
2008-01-06 21:27 * gwern notes that humor is a lost art
2008-01-06 21:27 < FastLizard4> gwern: Humor is illogical
2008-01-06 21:27 < gwern> just means he'll burn out faster
2008-01-06 21:28 < Mahlzahn_> gwern: no, only when its not in the right company. The lowest common denominator and all.
2008-01-06 21:29 < LuciferTiger> you dont wanna touch the LCD on here Mahlzahn
2008-01-06 21:29 < Mahlzahn_> eh?
2008-01-06 21:29 * FastLizard4 leaves to play the piano and eat dinner
2008-01-06 21:30 * LuciferTiger leaves to play the saxophone and smoke cigar
2008-01-06 21:30 * FastLizard4|away notes that smoking will only kill you faster
2008-01-06 21:30 < gwern> Humor. It is difficult
2008-01-06 21:30 < Mike_H> and really, not that much faster.
2008-01-06 21:30 < Mahlzahn_> particularly when you're trying to be funny.
2008-01-06 21:31 < LuciferTiger> FastLizard4|away: it was a joke. you missed the point.
2008-01-06 21:31 < Mahlzahn_> good point Mike_H
2008-01-06 21:31 < Mike_H> Mahlzahn_: or maybe I'm just partial
2008-01-06 21:31 * Mike_H puffs on a cigarette
2008-01-06 21:32 < Mahlzahn_> Mike_H: I'm part Ial too. The part left.
2008-01-06 21:32 < Mahlzahn_> nm
2008-01-06 21:33 < Mahlzahn_> how many smokers are there here you think?
2008-01-06 21:33 < Mike_H> not many
2008-01-06 21:33 < Mike_H> a few
2008-01-06 21:33 < Mike_H> but a many
2008-01-06 21:33 < Mike_H> *many
2008-01-06 21:33 < Mike_H> crap
2008-01-06 21:33 < Mike_H> not many. a few.
2008-01-06 21:33 < Mike_H> there.
2008-01-06 21:33 < Mahlzahn_> :)
2008-01-06 21:34 < Mahlzahn_> what does a pack cost stateside now?
2008-01-06 21:34 < Mike_H> it depends on where you buy it
2008-01-06 21:34 < Mahlzahn_> - tax
2008-01-06 21:34 < Mike_H> each state has different tax
2008-01-06 21:34 < Mike_H> tax is already factored in to the price of the cigarettes
2008-01-06 21:34 < Mike_H> so you can't just take that out
2008-01-06 21:34 < Mahlzahn_> oh
2008-01-06 21:34 < Mahlzahn_> give me a ballpark figure
2008-01-06 21:35 < Mike_H> Well, it really depends
2008-01-06 21:35 < Mike_H> states like Kentucky or North Carolina
2008-01-06 21:35 < Mike_H> for the main brands, could run around $3
2008-01-06 21:35 < Mahlzahn_> 5$ 50$ 500$