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2008-01-05 22:39 < kenlyric> Mahlzahn: you might be in the crossfire of a bot network activating.
2008-01-05 22:39 < Mahlzahn> No, these are all one liners + url.
2008-01-05 22:39 < Mahlzahn> the one liner being just meaningless dictionary words
2008-01-05 22:40 < Lycurgus_> change your mail setup so it does better filtering.
2008-01-05 22:40 < zocky> hehe, I also got: dont get held back because of your little willy anymore!
2008-01-05 22:40 < Mahlzahn> and mostly survive the bayes filters.
2008-01-05 22:40 < phed> zocky: HAH!
2008-01-05 22:40 * phed steals SLEU/4444/1956/12
2008-01-05 22:41 < FastLizard4> ¡ʎʞɔoz
2008-01-05 22:41 < zocky> and also Hello Friend, My name is Mrs.SARAH KING, I am a dying woman who has decided to donate what I have to charity through you.You may be wondering why I chose you. But someone has to be chosen.
2008-01-05 22:41 < Schroeder> heh
2008-01-05 22:41 < Lycurgus_> very little makes it to my inbox and I have done my own before using spamassasin and sendmail with similiar results will be doing again too
2008-01-05 22:41 < Schroeder> we had our first marching band rehearsal today, just ended a couple of hours ago
2008-01-05 22:41 < Schroeder> they had to go play at a basketball game right away
2008-01-05 22:41 < Mahlzahn> zocky: I never get those. They must know something :)
2008-01-05 22:41 < kenlyric> Mahlzahn: why do you think communications systems which involve retreiving data rather than receiving data are so popular.
2008-01-05 22:41 < Lycurgus_> like everything tech, if you can do, you can thrive. lusers must wait.
2008-01-05 22:41 < Schroeder> but when they get home, they're going to find they already have a 5-page email from me
2008-01-05 22:42 < zocky> i also get spam about events in paris
2008-01-05 22:42 < zocky> Ce jeudi: Openbar + Buffet
2008-01-05 22:43 < Schroeder> any Wolfmother fans in here?
2008-01-05 22:43 < Mahlzahn> paris + small willy. = French letters
2008-01-05 22:44 * Mahlzahn wonders if anyone gets the joke
2008-01-05 22:45 < Mahlzahn> Lycurgus: yes, I acknowledge your point, but work addresses exist for a reason too. :)
2008-01-05 22:49 < kenlyric> I prefer systems where information is put in a specific place and you can choose to retreive information from that place. Rather than just letting any bozo email me.
2008-01-05 22:50 < phed> LETS MOVE THE GOALPOST
2008-01-05 22:50 < phed> is there a wiki-policy on goal-post moving?
2008-01-05 22:51 * Random832|away moves [[Goalpost]]
2008-01-05 22:51 < phed> because a single editor might move the goalpost completely, even if consensus states otherwise
2008-01-05 22:52 < Mahlzahn> whats a goalpost move?
2008-01-05 22:52 < kenlyric> at work we recently switched to a wiki calendar system wiht rss feeds. so I can choose to subscribe to a calendar rather than them just sending a message to a list.
2008-01-05 22:55 < phed> Mahlzahn, when an editor imposes higher standards for sources etc
2008-01-05 22:56 < gwern> is tank, is toothbrush, - is lawnmower too!
2008-01-05 22:56 < phed> Mahlzahn, I just started editing, and the first article i figured i'd help out with had a bad case of this.
2008-01-05 22:57 < LuciferTiger> flu?
2008-01-05 22:57 < phed> Mahlzahn, the book was sourced with claims from the participants of a controversy. Now, the editor had over a month slowly edited away the whole article, and then put on a WP:PSTS
2008-01-05 22:58 < Mahlzahn> oh lord please don't mention PSTS
2008-01-05 22:58 < phed> Mahlzahn, and suggesting to remove the article alltogether. That article were 3 pages, well sourced, just a month befoe.
2008-01-05 22:58 < phed> Oh, and then slammed it with NOTABILITY
2008-01-05 22:59 < Mahlzahn> Is this a case of misusing the principle in favor of the letter of the law?
2008-01-05 22:59 < phed> well, yes
2008-01-05 22:59 < Mahlzahn> which article is this?
2008-01-05 22:59 < phed> it is the biopsychiatry controversy
2008-01-05 22:59 < phed> [[biopsychiatry controversy]]
2008-01-05 23:00 < phed> it is a non-obvious article
2008-01-05 23:00 < phed> because if you have followed the controversy it is non-controversial
2008-01-05 23:00 < phed> ironically :)
2008-01-05 23:00 < phed> but somehow it got listed on pseudoscience
2008-01-05 23:01 < phed> but it was an ethical debate, and hence didn't happen in peer reviewed literature
2008-01-05 23:01 < phed> so, it is a tricky topic
2008-01-05 23:02 < Mahlzahn> it should say its an ethical debate. From the title and lede I figured it was a pseudoscience thing too.
2008-01-05 23:02 < Mahlzahn> who is the editor who munged it?
2008-01-05 23:02 < phed> hrafn
2008-01-05 23:03 < phed> now, one szazs, whom is affiliated indirectly with scientology, was a notable critic.
2008-01-05 23:04 < phed> So, the debate easily ends up strawmanning
2008-01-05 23:05 < kenlyric> i debate that "scientology" and "notable critic" can go together.
2008-01-05 23:05 < phed> hehe
2008-01-05 23:05 < phed> he is not secular
2008-01-05 23:06 < Mahlzahn> He seems to think its a povfork of [[Biological psychiatry]]. Anything to that?
2008-01-05 23:06 < phed> well, there are more articles planned
2008-01-05 23:07 < phed> ie it related to [[biopsychosocial model]] which is the outcome of the contoversy
2008-01-05 23:07 < phed> so it is not really a povfork
2008-01-05 23:07 < phed> there is no controversy anymore since the biopsychiatry critics practically won
2008-01-05 23:08 < phed> well, partially at least :)
2008-01-05 23:09 < phed> and to make it even more messy [[anti-psychiatry]] is a whole other debate :|
2008-01-05 23:10 < gwern> dunt wory guys! einstein mouse will solves this problem: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/05/funny-pictures-solves-your-equations/
2008-01-05 23:14 < phed> So yes, he believes it is a POV-Fork for some reason. And he applied DUE by removing content instead of adding. : \
2008-01-05 23:15 < phed> I do agree it needs balacning, ie. pointing to the fact that biopsychiatry has some feats; such as showing that some genes occur with a statistical notability (
2008-01-05 23:16 < phed> and some heredibility.
2008-01-05 23:16 < zocky> wtf is biopsychiatry?
2008-01-05 23:17 < phed> the belief that psychiatric disorders are caused by biological factors
2008-01-05 23:17 < zocky> isn't that regular psychiatry?
2008-01-05 23:17 < phed> no, contemptary psychiatry uses the biopsychosocial model
2008-01-05 23:18 < phed> but the "facts" outlined in the article currently are outright wrong
2008-01-05 23:18 < phed> even placebo shows up on medical imaging for christ sake
2008-01-05 23:18 < zocky> isn't "psychiatric disorders being cause by biological factors" (amongst other things) an obvious fact, not a belief?
2008-01-05 23:18 < phed> no, it has been proven to be wrong
2008-01-05 23:19 < zocky> what, people with badly wired brains don't have psychiatric disorders?
2008-01-05 23:19 < phed> no!
2008-01-05 23:19 < zocky> that one would be a bit hard to disprove
2008-01-05 23:19 < phed> well, it hasn't been proved that they have badly wired brains at least
2008-01-05 23:19 < zocky> of course it has been
2008-01-05 23:19 < phed> oh, proofs then
2008-01-05 23:19 < zocky> that's just silly
2008-01-05 23:20 < phed> well, that is your belief
2008-01-05 23:20 < zocky> people get a bullet through their head, or a stroke, and have fried wires in a part of their brain, and consistent resulting psychiatric disorders
2008-01-05 23:20 < phed> it's no wonder the psychiatric system in the US is in the stone age
2008-01-05 23:20 < zocky> i'm in slovenia
2008-01-05 23:20 < phed> no, those are medical diseases
2008-01-05 23:21 < zocky> oh, and sch is caused by abusive parents?
2008-01-05 23:21 < zocky> not to mention psychopathy, ADD and whatnot?
2008-01-05 23:21 < phed> not as much as once believed
2008-01-05 23:21 < phed> etc etc etc yes
2008-01-05 23:21 < phed> obviously, there is something going on in the brain
2008-01-05 23:22 < phed> but psychiatry does not know why
2008-01-05 23:22 < phed> and the controversy is that the focus on biological factors lead them to use biological measures
2008-01-05 23:22 < phed> ie. medicines, electroshock, etc
2008-01-05 23:23 < phed> when science has shown social measures to be just as or more effective
2008-01-05 23:23 < zocky> you can't put medicines and electroshock in the same category
2008-01-05 23:23 < zocky> and you certainly can't solve everything with social measures
2008-01-05 23:23 < zocky> you can't cure psychopaths, and schizos can't function without medicine
2008-01-05 23:24 < phed> well, that is not the criticism
2008-01-05 23:24 < phed> medicines may be useful
2008-01-05 23:24 < phed> but they do not cure illness by themselves
2008-01-05 23:24 < Mahlzahn> there seems to be quite a bit missing between the pre- and post- hrafn versions.
2008-01-05 23:24 < zocky> well, depends what the illness is
2008-01-05 23:24 < phed> no, it is not safe to use medicines alone
2008-01-05 23:25 < phed> it is advised against doing that
2008-01-05 23:25 < phed> yet psychiatry keeps on doing that
2008-01-05 23:25 < zocky> because there's no way it could work otherwise
2008-01-05 23:25 < phed> actually, schizophrenic patients that are able to quit medication are more likely to recover
2008-01-05 23:25 < zocky> you can't treat each person individually
2008-01-05 23:25 < phed> yes, you have to
2008-01-05 23:25 < phed> or, why not?
2008-01-05 23:25 < zocky> there's too many people who need that sort of attention and too few of those that can provide it
2008-01-05 23:26 < phed> should you not treat medical disorders individually?
2008-01-05 23:26 < Mahlzahn> I have a friend who has a "problem" (I forget what) with zinc that causes him to have wild mood swings.
2008-01-05 23:26 < zocky> phed, yes, and everybody should be fed, and there should be no wars, and nobody should die
2008-01-05 23:27 < zocky> Mahlzahn, I know people who are like that with very small quantities of alcohol, and have heard of people who get it from certain kinds of cheese
2008-01-05 23:27 < phed> zocky: and even worse. psychiatric medicines alone are only 10% better than placebo
2008-01-05 23:28 < Mahlzahn> really?
2008-01-05 23:28 < phed> yes, really
2008-01-05 23:28 < zocky> Mahlzahn, yeah, I think it's a gene
2008-01-05 23:28 < zocky> phed, the problem is that people can't live in pure capitalism without going mad, so you can either reform the society, or give people antidepressants, whichever is cheaper and easier
2008-01-05 23:29 < Mahlzahn> wow. You mean all those anti-depressants are really only marginally useful?
2008-01-05 23:29 < Mike_H> I've watched like three cycles of Top Model today
2008-01-05 23:29 < Mike_H> I am so bored
2008-01-05 23:29 < phed> zocky: reforming the society is more effective :)
2008-01-05 23:29 < phed> zocky: hence why I love psychosocial treatment. it works
2008-01-05 23:29 < zocky> phed, yeah, but it requires certain unsavory things, like the guillotine or at least a wall
2008-01-05 23:29 < phed> zocky: I've seen people gone from utter mad to happy people in 3 days
2008-01-05 23:30 < phed> zocky: worst is, it is cheape
2008-01-05 23:30 < Mahlzahn> yes, but the pharma industry isn't going to go along with that.
2008-01-05 23:30 < phed> Mahlzahn: Yepp. Even psychiatrists starts to recognize that
2008-01-05 23:31 < Mahlzahn> and no lapses when they reenter the real world?
2008-01-05 23:31 < phed> Mahlzahn: Read, a notable biopsychiatrist critic, said that it is not unusual that there are more pharma representatives than professional on conferences
2008-01-05 23:31 < zocky> phed, you should read the history of french revolution. there's a good book by some mid-19th century french historian. it has good examples of how the people for whom it would be cheap will refuse to give the required resources away until they're actually executed.
2008-01-05 23:31 < phed> and most science is on effeciency of meds
2008-01-05 23:32 < phed> zocky, <3 foucalt :)
2008-01-05 23:32 < phed> oh
2008-01-05 23:32 < phed> foucault wrote about how the "mad was freed" in the french revolution
2008-01-05 23:33 < phed> not read much about that
2008-01-05 23:33 < Mahlzahn> zocky: see [[Loss aversion]]
2008-01-05 23:33 < zocky> http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/9602 <-- that's mignet
2008-01-05 23:34 < phed> Mahlzahn, I agree there were issues with the original article. ie it overlapped too much with anti-psychiatry and didn't include the concedement and support from the mainstream
2008-01-05 23:34 < zocky> the terror was the inavoidable consequence of the realistic urgent need of the people and the "loss aversion" on the side of the aristocracy and the church.
2008-01-05 23:34 < Mahlzahn> apropos Loss aversion, for anyone who thinks WP:PSTS needs streamlining, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:No_original_research#Proposed_replacement_for_PSTS
2008-01-05 23:35 < LuciferTiger> whats PSTS?
2008-01-05 23:35 < Mahlzahn> you don't want to know.
2008-01-05 23:35 < Mahlzahn> the ugliest bitch in the wiki-universe
2008-01-05 23:35 < LuciferTiger> please please please please
2008-01-05 23:36 < zocky> it's not THAT bad?
2008-01-05 23:36 < LuciferTiger> oh well i guess i'll just look it up on wiki
2008-01-05 23:36 < Mahlzahn> yes, its *THAT* bad
2008-01-05 23:36 < zocky> it maybe doesn't belong there
2008-01-05 23:36 < Mahlzahn> 5 MB of talk in 6 months is bad, really bad.
2008-01-05 23:37 < LuciferTiger> well its not on wiki
2008-01-05 23:37 < Random832> LuciferTiger: WP:PSTS
2008-01-05 23:37 < zocky> but a description of the kinds of sources is a good thing to have
2008-01-05 23:37 < Mahlzahn> LuciferTiger: WP:PSTS
2008-01-05 23:37 < LuciferTiger> ok
2008-01-05 23:37 < Mahlzahn> zocky: good for /what/?
2008-01-05 23:37 < LuciferTiger> got it thanks
2008-01-05 23:38 < phed> What is the rationale behind PSTS?
2008-01-05 23:38 < zocky> Mahlzahn, do I really need to answer that question?
2008-01-05 23:38 < zocky> that's just more-or-less standard classification of sources
2008-01-05 23:38 < Random832> zocky: not really. I'm pretty sure it was invented for wikipedia
2008-01-05 23:38 < Mahlzahn> phed: good question. But there is no answer.
2008-01-05 23:39 < zocky> what, the distinction between primary and secondary sources?
2008-01-05 23:39 < zocky> are you kidding?
2008-01-05 23:39 < Mahlzahn> Random832: yes, you have that right.
2008-01-05 23:39 < phed> I dunno
2008-01-05 23:39 < zocky> actually, google says it's a common classification
2008-01-05 23:40 < phed> i've seen it applied to basically say "your sources isn't good enough. you have to find the claim in a meta-review on the topic written in a peer reviewed journal before you can include that"
2008-01-05 23:40 < zocky> what's the big problem, really?
2008-01-05 23:40 < phed> aka moving the goalposts
2008-01-05 23:40 < Random832> phed: it'd be a good idea to stay away from animal rights topics
2008-01-05 23:40 < Mahlzahn> zocky: its irrelevant to NOR. And in fact it screws up enforceability of NOR.
2008-01-05 23:40 < Random832> that's where I've seen that sort of thing, anyway. just saying
2008-01-05 23:40 < zocky> Mahlzahn, as I said, it may be out of place there
2008-01-05 23:41 < zocky> but it's certainly good information to have somewhere
2008-01-05 23:41 < Random832> it should be on its own page
2008-01-05 23:41 < Mahlzahn> zocky: yes. It may be suitable in a guideline, but we already have articles on the three -aries.
2008-01-05 23:41 < Random832> linked from WP:RS
2008-01-05 23:41 < Random832> if anything
2008-01-05 23:42 < phed> it seems to be enforced to avoid POV sources :S
2008-01-05 23:42 < zocky> well, you have to base WP:NOT indiscriminate on something
2008-01-05 23:42 < Random832> not really
2008-01-05 23:42 < Random832> it's enforced to move the goalposts in order to keep entrenched POVs in place
2008-01-05 23:42 * Mike_H NP: The Cardigans - Lovefool (1996)
2008-01-05 23:43 < phed> well, I raised the topic on some talk pages
2008-01-05 23:43 < Mahlzahn> zocky: not indiscriminate collector of information is fine, but thats not what NOR can do. NOR is for "not a publisher of original thought."
2008-01-05 23:43 < phed> but minority views are basically censored that way
2008-01-05 23:43 < zocky> Mahlzahn, yeah, i can agree with that, but I think that sentence is enough
2008-01-05 23:43 < zocky> Mahlzahn, I have no idea why we need a whole page about that
2008-01-05 23:44 < Random832> actually, the favorite for censoring minority views is WP:WEIGHT
2008-01-05 23:44 < phed> it is hard being anti-establishment :(
2008-01-05 23:44 < phed> I mean, I would look up in an encyclopedia in order to be enlightened
2008-01-05 23:44 < phed> not read about what people believe is true
2008-01-05 23:44 < phed> that is, majority has no clue
2008-01-05 23:45 < zocky> all you can read about is what people believe to be true
2008-01-05 23:45 < Mahlzahn> zocky: right. we don't need an essay on source-type distinction on a policy page, and particularly not on a policy page where it doesn't even tangentially affect the policy. The phrase "original research" is not even mentioned in PSTS.
2008-01-05 23:45 < zocky> the problem, in my experience, is most often that people think that a "good source" means you can quote it as truth
2008-01-05 23:46 < Mahlzahn> "good source" is an RS issue, not a NOR one.
2008-01-05 23:46 < Mahlzahn> OR happens when the source is evaluated. The editor has already selected the source at that point in time.
2008-01-05 23:47 < Mahlzahn> s/evaluated/paraphrased/
2008-01-05 23:47 < Lubaf> I hope to God Hillary loses the nomination.
2008-01-05 23:47 < Messedrocker> i don't hope to god
2008-01-05 23:47 < Messedrocker> but i'd prefer edwards
2008-01-05 23:48 < zocky> hmm, that's not what NOR was originally about, I think
2008-01-05 23:48 < LuciferTiger> anythings better than a republican
2008-01-05 23:48 < Lubaf> Messedrocker: I'd prefer *Ron Paul* as the Democratic Nominee.
2008-01-05 23:48 < zocky> as I remember it, it was "this is not the place to publish your theories, regardless of their merits"
2008-01-05 23:48 < LuciferTiger> he'd certainly get more votes as a dem
2008-01-05 23:48 < Mahlzahn> phed: you have good points wrt Biopsychiatry_controversy, but I think it can be tackled on talk.
2008-01-05 23:49 < Messedrocker> LuciferTiger, though he's actually quite conservative
2008-01-05 23:49 < Lubaf> Messedrocker: The word is "Libertarian".
2008-01-05 23:49 < Messedrocker> yeah
2008-01-05 23:49 * Mike_H NP: Tyra Banks - Shake Ya Body (Body) (2004)
2008-01-05 23:49 < Mike_H> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=miWBGeUwKd0
2008-01-05 23:49 < LuciferTiger> lol. you use it like its a bad word
2008-01-05 23:49 < Messedrocker> not really
2008-01-05 23:49 < Mike_H> that is the musical equivalent of a fart
2008-01-05 23:49 < phed> libertarian isn't as bad as Libertarian ...
2008-01-05 23:49 < Mahlzahn> zocky: no, OR is about either unverifiable sources, or misrepresenting a source. In other words, anything that could cause an article to itself become a source of novel "never seen before" information.
2008-01-05 23:50 < Mike_H> Tyra should stick to modeling
2008-01-05 23:50 < Mike_H> and eating.
2008-01-05 23:50 < Messedrocker> phed, that's correct
2008-01-05 23:50 < Messedrocker> true libertarians don't belong in the Libertarian Party
2008-01-05 23:50 < Messedrocker> because the Libertarian Party is an awful lot like the Republican Party
2008-01-05 23:50 < zocky> Mahlzahn, possibly, and it's possible that it was different last time I read it in detail, some time in 2003
2008-01-05 23:51 < Mahlzahn> the policy was still succinct and clear back in 2003. :)
2008-01-05 23:51 < zocky> the republican party IS the libertarian party taken to the inevitable consequences
2008-01-05 23:52 < phed> Mahlzahn, well, in the simplest way you shouldn't make any claims that isn't verifiable
2008-01-05 23:52 < Mahlzahn> I thought the libertarians were anti-government. How come they have a party?
2008-01-05 23:52 < phed> Mahlzahn, you think they are organized?
2008-01-05 23:52 < phed> I would have loved to see their annual meeting on C-SPAN
2008-01-05 23:52 < Mahlzahn> no idea. I'm asking.
2008-01-05 23:52 < phed> supposedly it was people standing on soapboxes shouting over each other
2008-01-05 23:52 < zocky> they aren't anti-government. they just want strong and capable people, which they imagine would be themselves, to execute the functions of the government as they see fit.
2008-01-05 23:53 < Mahlzahn> they didn't exist yet back when I cared. :)
2008-01-05 23:53 < LuciferTiger> Oh damn for a moment there i thought we were talkin bout disk schedulers.
2008-01-05 23:53 < Mahlzahn> or at least, I hadn't heard of them (in rural Pennsylvania)
2008-01-05 23:54 < zocky> libertarianism can lead either to fascism or to somalia. anybody over 13 should really be able to conclude that by themselves.
2008-01-05 23:54 < Messedrocker> how exactly does it lead to either?
2008-01-05 23:54 < Mahlzahn> in PA we only had the militia.
2008-01-05 23:54 < Messedrocker> i don't know a whole lot about politics
2008-01-05 23:55 < zocky> both are the consequence of getting rid of the government, either by weakening it, or by abolishing it completely
2008-01-05 23:55 < Messedrocker> ron paul's pretty much an anarchist
2008-01-05 23:55 < Messedrocker> "abolish this! abolish that!"
2008-01-05 23:55 < Messedrocker> i appreciate his interest in getting rid of income taxes but this is not shangri-la
2008-01-05 23:56 < LuciferTiger> it sounds cool but is hardly practical
2008-01-05 23:56 < zocky> fascist dictators had unlimited power not because the government was strong, but because the government was weak. the real power was informal. IAR and that sort of thing.
2008-01-05 23:56 < Mahlzahn> send him to Saudi Arabia. No taxes.
2008-01-05 23:56 < arcimboldo_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Emperor_akihito3.jpg - How could this be GNU if it is the same as http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/art-75169/Japanese-Emperor-Akihito-2002?
2008-01-05 23:57 < arcimboldo_> What's the tag for copyright violations for images?
2008-01-05 23:57 < Messedrocker> the government has to be weak
2008-01-05 23:57 < Messedrocker> because the dictator was able to penetrate it and give himself power
2008-01-05 23:57 < Mahlzahn> arcimboldo_: use {{db-copyvio}}
2008-01-05 23:57 < arcimboldo_> thanks
2008-01-05 23:58 < zocky> Messedrocker, the fascist dictators were backed by private interests, who had the actual power
2008-01-05 23:58 < phed> hmm, odd. but PSTS "avoid analysis" is tricky. Because the summary of a number of facts is an analysis. :S
2008-01-05 23:58 < Messedrocker> zocky, sounds like the US
2008-01-05 23:58 < Messedrocker> except our government's strong
2008-01-05 23:59 < phed> Mahlzahn, the new version of PSTS is faaaaaaaar better
2008-01-05 23:59 < Mahlzahn> phed: even so, all the "avoid" this and avoid that is guideline, not policy. "should not" "may not" "avoid where possible" ewwww
2008-01-05 23:59 < zocky> Messedrocker, well, US is somewhat that way, but it's far from being actually fascist. the government is weak, though. if it were strong, it could tell boeing, KBR and the rest of them to fuck off, but it can't.
2008-01-06 00:00 < phed> Mahlzahn, yeah. reinstitute break all rules as the sole rule
2008-01-06 00:00 < Mahlzahn> phed: then add your two cents.
2008-01-06 00:00 < zocky> US government is strong compared to the citizens, but not compared to the private interests
2008-01-06 00:01 < Mahlzahn> phed: thats really what it boils down to.
2008-01-06 00:01 < Messedrocker> zocky, i was watching the NH Debate briefly
2008-01-06 00:01 < Messedrocker> john edwards had an excellent point
2008-01-06 00:01 < Messedrocker> teddy roosevelt didn't make deals with the monopolies and trusts
2008-01-06 00:01 < Messedrocker> he shut them down
2008-01-06 00:01 < zocky> exactly
2008-01-06 00:02 < Messedrocker> and teddy roosevelt is a personal hero of mine
2008-01-06 00:02 < zocky> that's what made him strong
2008-01-06 00:02 < zocky> the government is ultimately more powerful because it has the big guns
2008-01-06 00:02 < Messedrocker> but big businesses make those guns
2008-01-06 00:02 < zocky> but it takes guts to actually use that power, and it's risky business
2008-01-06 00:02 < Messedrocker> i would create the "Lame Duck Alliance"
2008-01-06 00:03 < zocky> teddy roosevelt could have just as easily died in an accident
2008-01-06 00:03 < Messedrocker> where congressmen with balls would act like they can't go for reelection
2008-01-06 00:03 * Cyrius hums 'We Can Rule You Wholesale'
2008-01-06 00:03 < arcimboldo_> "As scion of the oldest imperial family in the world, he was, according to tradition, the 125th direct descendant of Jimmu, Japan's legendary first emperor.
2008-01-06 00:03 < arcimboldo_> " - They will write the same about Jimbo's successor in 4000 years.
2008-01-06 00:04 < Mahlzahn> does Jimbo have children?
2008-01-06 00:04 < Messedrocker> he has a daughter
2008-01-06 00:04 < Messedrocker> who is pretty young
2008-01-06 00:06 < LuciferTiger> who is jimbo?
2008-01-06 00:07 < Cyrius> knew to this Wikipedia thing, eh?
2008-01-06 00:07 < Cyrius> new...ugh
2008-01-06 00:07 < LuciferTiger> new yes
2008-01-06 00:07 < FastLizard4> LuciferTiger: YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO JIMBO IS?!?!
2008-01-06 00:07 * Cyrius pleads low blood sugar!
2008-01-06 00:07 < LuciferTiger> i could look it up
2008-01-06 00:07 < FastLizard4> Jimbo Wales is the Wikipedia founder!!
2008-01-06 00:07 < Cyrius> LuciferTiger: the guy who started the whole mess
2008-01-06 00:07 < LuciferTiger> ooops
2008-01-06 00:07 < LuciferTiger> ah well that i didnt know
2008-01-06 00:08 < Cyrius> He of The Beard
2008-01-06 00:08 < LuciferTiger> the mess is a pretty cool thing btw
2008-01-06 00:08 < Cyrius> yes, but it's also a mess =)
2008-01-06 00:09 < LuciferTiger> sometimes i find out so many new things about stuff i thought i knew everything about on wiki that i feel that one day i will find stuff on wiki about myself that even i didnt know
2008-01-06 00:09 < Cyrius> yeah, we've gotten some complaints about that before =)
2008-01-06 00:10 < LuciferTiger> lol i can imagine
2008-01-06 00:10 < LuciferTiger> i know its considered pretty bad if you edit your own articles on wiki.... how bad is it if you actually create your own?
2008-01-06 00:12 < Cyrius> worse
2008-01-06 00:12 < Cyrius> but most people who do it are bored high school students
2008-01-06 00:13 < LuciferTiger> how much worse? (ofcourse its worse.... and vain)
2008-01-06 00:13 < arcimboldo_> Depends - if you quote all the criticisms about your self and represent public knowledge in an adequate way is fine ...
2008-01-06 00:13 < Cyrius> and don't bother spelling, so we just nuke the articles on sight
2008-01-06 00:13 < LuciferTiger> okay
2008-01-06 00:13 < arcimboldo_> LuciferTiger, who are you?
2008-01-06 00:13 < LuciferTiger> a fallen tiger.
2008-01-06 00:13 < Cyrius> 'big cat with a flashlight'
2008-01-06 00:14 < LuciferTiger> Cyrius: lol yeah that will work too
2008-01-06 00:14 < LuciferTiger> in terms of wiki... a nobody.
2008-01-06 00:14 < arcimboldo_> and in terms of the outside world?
2008-01-06 00:14 < LuciferTiger> i read some funny quote on QDB and i saw that it was from the wikipedia chan so i joined
2008-01-06 00:14 < Mahlzahn> LuciferTiger: that is a very wise position to take on WP
2008-01-06 00:15 < LuciferTiger> though i do spend a lot of 'study/work' time on wiki
2008-01-06 00:15 < Mahlzahn> and I wish everyone would recognize that of themselves.
2008-01-06 00:16 < Mahlzahn> Whats your username on WP?
2008-01-06 00:16 < LuciferTiger> oh in terms of the outside world im just a fresh grad looking for a job
2008-01-06 00:16 < LuciferTiger> i dont have one on WP
2008-01-06 00:16 < Mahlzahn> what did you graduate in?
2008-01-06 00:16 < LuciferTiger> MS in CompSci
2008-01-06 00:17 < Mahlzahn> then get one. Its free. :)
2008-01-06 00:18 < LuciferTiger> its helpful with anything other than being more responsible with changes u make to articles?
2008-01-06 00:18 < arcimboldo_> And you've got a WP article?
2008-01-06 00:18 < LuciferTiger> i hate occupying a username unless im going to use it.
2008-01-06 00:18 < LuciferTiger> nope i havent.
2008-01-06 00:19 < arcimboldo_> Oh, now I can see the future tense in what you wrote ..
2008-01-06 00:19 < Mahlzahn> LuciferTiger: what was your Master's thesis on?
2008-01-06 00:20 < Mahlzahn> LuciferTiger: besides, even spell checking and so is a good thing, since you are browsing around the site anyway...
2008-01-06 00:20 < Mahlzahn> s/so/such/
2008-01-06 00:20 < LuciferTiger> took the easy way out. didnt do a thesis. was supposed to be on implementing pointer components in a modular system using specification based languages.
2008-01-06 00:21 < LuciferTiger> *language
2008-01-06 00:21 < LuciferTiger> basically software engineering and specification-verification stuff
2008-01-06 00:22 < LuciferTiger> Mahlzahn: Thats a good point. I will do that.
2008-01-06 00:23 < Mahlzahn> The username LuciferTiger is not taken
2008-01-06 00:24 < Mahlzahn> I edited for one year (to the day) because I didn't think I'd need a username.
2008-01-06 00:25 < Mahlzahn> I regret it now.
2008-01-06 00:25 < LuciferTiger> why?
2008-01-06 00:25 < Mahlzahn> and you will too if you ever (heaven forbid) get into a tiff with another user and have a static IP.
2008-01-06 00:26 < LuciferTiger> dont have a static ip... but still
2008-01-06 00:26 < Mahlzahn> yes.
2008-01-06 00:27 < LuciferTiger> that is if i edit without a user account or regardless?
2008-01-06 00:27 < Mahlzahn> without an account.
2008-01-06 00:28 < Mahlzahn> having a regular account gives some weight to your edits.
2008-01-06 00:28 < LuciferTiger> okay
2008-01-06 00:29 < LuciferTiger> got an account. thankfully im not into drunk editing
2008-01-06 00:29 < Mahlzahn> and your username is?
2008-01-06 00:30 < LuciferTiger> LuciferTiger
2008-01-06 00:30 < LuciferTiger> i figured CalvinHobbes would have been taken
2008-01-06 00:32 < Mahlzahn> nope
2008-01-06 00:32 < LuciferTiger> oh crap
2008-01-06 00:32 < Mahlzahn> create a new one.
2008-01-06 00:32 < LuciferTiger> thats wasteful
2008-01-06 00:32 < Mahlzahn> not really.
2008-01-06 00:33 < LuciferTiger> anyways this one is in sync with some of my other nicks. so less stuff to remember.
2008-01-06 00:33 < Mahlzahn> fine too.
2008-01-06 00:34 < arcimboldo_> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daniel_Chiswick&action=history
2008-01-06 00:34 < arcimboldo_> That does not look very promising ...
2008-01-06 00:34 < Mahlzahn> no, it doesn't.
2008-01-06 00:35 < Mahlzahn> IMO, we need a database of users who do this sort of thing.
2008-01-06 00:35 < arcimboldo_> I've got a guess of the user behind this IP ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image%3AQm2_sf.jpg&diff=182194476&oldid=182192998
2008-01-06 00:36 < Mahlzahn> you want me to readd and put up a warning?
2008-01-06 00:36 < arcimboldo_> If you don't mind - thanks!
2008-01-06 00:38 < arcimboldo_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Anna_nicole_5.jpg ... same author, same doubt ...
2008-01-06 00:42 < LuciferTiger> ummm what did that daniel guy do exactly?
2008-01-06 00:43 < arcimboldo_> He just removes any copyright warning related to at least three images ....
2008-01-06 00:43 < arcimboldo_> I guess one should better review anything he uploaded ...
2008-01-06 00:44 < LuciferTiger> ah now i see. that image he uploaded without permission...
2008-01-06 00:44 < arcimboldo_> Neither of those three images looks like it has been taken by a hot-blooded sixteen-year-old.
2008-01-06 00:48 < arcimboldo_> What's the best thing to do - enter him somewhere under vandalism warning?
2008-01-06 00:49 < zocky> http://www.kongregate.com/games/EvilDog/punk-o-matic is quite cool
2008-01-06 00:54 < Mahlzahn> did you find a source for qm2? It looks much too polished to be from this guy.
2008-01-06 01:11 < Lycurgus> no one here is Jimmy Wales are they? If he was he would he acknowledge the fact?
2008-01-06 01:11 < Mahlzahn> arcimboldo_: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADaniel_Chiswick&diff=182477880&oldid=182475465
2008-01-06 01:11 < Mahlzahn> he removed my warning, but left your warning in place. :)
2008-01-06 01:12 < AdamBishop> Jimmy Wales is in here on occasion
2008-01-06 01:13 < AdamBishop> just not at the moment
2008-01-06 01:13 < Lycurgus> under what nick?
2008-01-06 01:13 < AdamBishop> jwales or some such easily identifiable nick
2008-01-06 01:13 < Lycurgus> ah, very good. Thanks.
2008-01-06 01:14 < AdamBishop> but then again he may be in here right now under a different name, watching and observing, planning his wrath
2008-01-06 01:14 < Cyrius> muahahaha
2008-01-06 01:14 < Lycurgus_> o_O
2008-01-06 01:15 < LuciferTiger> to be on the safer side, always assume you are being watched
2008-01-06 01:15 < Lycurgus_> you have no idea the extent to which I do do that
2008-01-06 01:15 < LuciferTiger> which doesnt quite work out so well when u just need to have some "me" time
2008-01-06 01:15 < Lycurgus_> tell me about it
2008-01-06 01:16 < Lycurgus_> but hey puny hoomans my time is ur time
2008-01-06 01:16 < LuciferTiger> i have a corner created in my room which is totally cut off from view
2008-01-06 01:19 < LuciferTiger> just curious... does wikipedia have a lot of "employees"?
2008-01-06 01:19 < The359> no
2008-01-06 01:20 < LuciferTiger> or is it a lot like open source projects
2008-01-06 01:20 < Cyrius> handful
2008-01-06 01:20 < LuciferTiger> oh ok
2008-01-06 01:20 < The359> only a small handful of paid people
2008-01-06 01:20 < Cyrius> it _is_ an open source project
2008-01-06 01:20 < LuciferTiger> yeah i saw that coming
2008-01-06 01:21 < arcimboldo_> Mahlzahn, nice ... but it seems that the image has now been deleted anyway.
2008-01-06 01:22 < arcimboldo_> (Which leaves another at least two images that are of the same kind).
2008-01-06 01:22 < Cyrius> LuciferTiger: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Current_staff
2008-01-06 01:23 < arcimboldo_> (Ah, actually, the image warning which he left was not mine but that of a previous warner for another image ...)
2008-01-06 01:23 < arcimboldo_> "SendQ exceeded"?
2008-01-06 01:24 < LuciferTiger> thats one small staff for one huge thing.
2008-01-06 01:24 < LuciferTiger> thanks Cyrius
2008-01-06 01:24 < arcimboldo_> Cary Bass = Bastique?
2008-01-06 01:24 < Cyrius> LuciferTiger: well, there are a zillion people who work on it because they want to
2008-01-06 01:25 < Cyrius> yes
2008-01-06 01:25 < LuciferTiger> yes. that was kind of my point actually :)
2008-01-06 01:25 < arcimboldo_> Is a Volunteer coordinator a volunteer himself?
2008-01-06 01:25 < Lubaf> [[Wikipedia:Penis vandalism is so very original, so go ahead and penis-vandalize the article on Cheese with a photo of your willy]]: I see a great need.
2008-01-06 01:26 < LuciferTiger> lol
2008-01-06 01:26 < Cyrius> for anyone who didn't already know, that is _the_ Mike Godwin, he of Godwin's Law
2008-01-06 01:26 < Cyrius> Lubaf: they wouldn't read it =/
2008-01-06 01:26 < Lubaf> Cyrius: True.
2008-01-06 01:27 < Lubaf> But it might have value as a redirect to [[WP:SARCASM]].
2008-01-06 01:27 < LuciferTiger> wow
2008-01-06 01:27 < Rinn> Woah! THE Godwin?
2008-01-06 01:27 < Cyrius> arcimboldo_: SendQ exceeded more or less means the IRC server tried to send the client too much stuff at once
2008-01-06 01:27 < Lubaf> Rinn: Yes, "The" Godwin.
2008-01-06 01:27 < Rinn> I thought it was a coincidence.
2008-01-06 01:27 < LuciferTiger> yup. the one of the nazi analogy
2008-01-06 01:28 < arcimboldo_> ok.
2008-01-06 01:28 < LuciferTiger> http://xkcd.com/261/
2008-01-06 01:28 < LuciferTiger> posting one of my fave things on another of my fave things
2008-01-06 01:30 < The359> ok, this is the damnest thing
2008-01-06 01:30 < The359> The right click on my computer suddenly doesn't work
2008-01-06 01:30 < arcimboldo_> [[Wikipedia:Renaming you IRC nick to something similar to Jimbo Wales is so original that no one has done it ever before]] would be another candidate ;)
2008-01-06 01:30 < The359> even after a reboot
2008-01-06 01:30 < Mahlzahn> mouse button busted
2008-01-06 01:30 < The359> don't think so
2008-01-06 01:31 < The359> it was working one moment, I went to right click something, and the menu didn't appear
2008-01-06 01:31 < The359> and it wont appear at all now
2008-01-06 01:31 < arcimboldo_> virus ...
2008-01-06 01:31 < The359> which is damned annoying
2008-01-06 01:31 < Mahlzahn> I've had a button failure before.
2008-01-06 01:32 < Mahlzahn> have you tried a power off?
2008-01-06 01:32 < Mahlzahn> and disco from mains if you're using a usb mouse
2008-01-06 01:33 < arcimboldo_> "The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user." - ok.
2008-01-06 01:33 < The359> no, just a reboot
2008-01-06 01:34 < Mahlzahn> arcimboldo_: yes, but he left your (readded) warning up.
2008-01-06 01:34 < Mahlzahn> so, mission accomplished
2008-01-06 01:34 < arcimboldo_> True - seems he did not notice it.
2008-01-06 01:34 < Brandon_Henri> Me famish! Me have hankerin for Chicken.
2008-01-06 01:34 < Brandon_Henri> Me could eat entire pot roast right now.
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Give me food or give me death!
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Me hungry! Me eat!
2008-01-06 01:35 < arcimboldo_> Mahlzahn, ok, but it leaves at least two other images which are as dubious ...
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Brandon Henri is in da building, Brandon Henri is in da building.
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Me eat a lot! Me love pancakes!
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Brandon Henri has join da room and will now crunkitize it
2008-01-06 01:35 < arcimboldo_> And my image has already been deleted.
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Me hungry! Me eat!
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Brandon Henri beat Chuck Norris in arm wrestling.
2008-01-06 01:35 < arcimboldo_> ignore Brandon_Henri
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Brandon Henri is pretty much da coolest guy ever.
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Henri. Brandon Henri.
2008-01-06 01:35 < Mahlzahn> here. Have a peanut.
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Burger Box is da best place to eat for Brandon Henri.
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Me hungry! Me eat!
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Brandon Henri beat Chuck Norris in arm wrestling.
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Me hate not eating! ME HUNGRY!
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Me hungry! Me eat!
2008-01-06 01:35 < Mahlzahn> You flooding.
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> I am the hungriest person in the world.
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Brandon Henri is pretty much da coolest guy ever.
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Me cover T.O. and THEN GET HUNGRY!
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> More respect for all hungry people around da world.
2008-01-06 01:35 < FastLizard4> Brandon_Henri: Stop flooding
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Me famish! Me have hankerin for Chicken.
2008-01-06 01:35 < FastLizard4> NOW!
2008-01-06 01:35 < Brandon_Henri> Bon Appetit for Brandon Henri!
2008-01-06 01:36 < Brandon_Henri> Me famish! Me have hankerin for Chicken.
2008-01-06 01:36 < Brandon_Henri> Me love all food of da world.
2008-01-06 01:36 < FastLizard4> !ops
2008-01-06 01:36 < Brandon_Henri> Me eat a lot! Me love pancakes!
2008-01-06 01:36 < Brandon_Henri> Me hate not eating! ME HUNGRY!
2008-01-06 01:36 < Brandon_Henri> Me famish! Me have hankerin for Chicken.
2008-01-06 01:36 < Brandon_Henri> Henri. Brandon Henri.
2008-01-06 01:36 < Brandon_Henri> Brandon Henri is the definition of awesome.
2008-01-06 01:36 < FastLizard4> !ops Brandon_Henri is refusing to stop flooding
2008-01-06 01:36 < Brandon_Henri> Brandon Henri is DA BOMB.
2008-01-06 01:36 < Brandon_Henri> Me Brandon Henri. Me like to eat!
2008-01-06 01:36 * Lubaf wonders how many warcrack addicts there are here.
2008-01-06 01:36 < Brandon_Henri> Me famish! Me have hankerin for Chicken.
2008-01-06 01:36 < Brandon_Henri> Brandon Henri is pretty much da coolest guy ever.
2008-01-06 01:36 * Mahlzahn waits for the axe to fall
2008-01-06 01:36 < BimboSnails> Is that w00t?
2008-01-06 01:37 < Cyrius> Brandon_Henri: shut the hell up, please
2008-01-06 01:37 < Cyrius> or be shut up, apparently
2008-01-06 01:37 < Mahlzahn> BimboSnails: love the nick.
2008-01-06 01:37 < FastLizard4> Damn ops are so slow...
2008-01-06 01:38 < troubled> BimboSnails: and how, may i ask, do you know w00t?
2008-01-06 01:38 < Cyrius> I know I am!
2008-01-06 01:38 < BimboSnails> He's been mentioned a few times.
2008-01-06 01:38 < FastLizard4> Cyrius: Are you an op?
2008-01-06 01:38 < Cyrius> I have been entrusted with the keys to the banhammer
2008-01-06 01:39 < troubled> heh
2008-01-06 01:39 < troubled> Cyrius: use it with respect :)
2008-01-06 01:39 < Cyrius> I use it to crack walnuts
2008-01-06 01:39 < troubled> oh thats fine
2008-01-06 01:39 < Mahlzahn> yep, its the nuts we worry about.
2008-01-06 01:39 < troubled> q-tips and back scratching are also acceptable
2008-01-06 01:41 < LuciferTiger> only if the hammer has that pointed end on one side
2008-01-06 01:41 < Mahlzahn> would someone ping me please. I feel all laggy
2008-01-06 01:42 < troubled> LuciferTiger: or you have big ears
2008-01-06 01:42 < FastLizard4> [INFO] Ping reply from Mahlzahn in 0.5 seconds.
2008-01-06 01:42 < Mahlzahn> hmm
2008-01-06 01:42 < Mahlzahn> thx
2008-01-06 01:42 < LuciferTiger> big ears and scratching?
2008-01-06 01:42 < FastLizard4> Ping me, plz
2008-01-06 01:42 < Mahlzahn> Ping reply from FastLizard4 in 0.63 seconds.
2008-01-06 01:42 < LuciferTiger> 1.05 secs
2008-01-06 01:43 < FastLizard4> ERROR! CONFLICTING DATA!
2008-01-06 01:43 < FastLizard4> Freenode says: Connected Lag 0.02 seconds
2008-01-06 01:43 < Mahlzahn> you are prolly in my neighbourhood
2008-01-06 01:43 < FastLizard4> Mahlzahn: You need to update your version of ChatZilla
2008-01-06 01:43 < Mahlzahn> I do?
2008-01-06 01:44 < FastLizard4> Mahlzahn: You have 0.9.78.1, 0.9.79 is the latest
2008-01-06 01:44 < troubled> FastLizard4: future reference, just ping services
2008-01-06 01:44 < arcimboldo_> 1.50 seconds.
2008-01-06 01:44 < FastLizard4> troubled: Wha?
2008-01-06 01:44 < FastLizard4> arcimboldo_: Wha?
2008-01-06 01:44 < troubled> FastLizard4: ping chanserv, nickserv etc
2008-01-06 01:45 < FastLizard4> what for?
2008-01-06 01:45 < arcimboldo_> * Ping-Antwort von FastLizard4: 1.50 Sekunde(n)
2008-01-06 01:45 < troubled> FastLizard4: uh, for a ping?
2008-01-06 01:45 < Mahlzahn> FastLizard4: to see time to server
2008-01-06 01:45 < FastLizard4> Oh
2008-01-06 01:45 < str4nd> ctcp pings? ehm
2008-01-06 01:45 < NotACow> MOO
2008-01-06 01:45 < Mahlzahn> as opposed to between users
2008-01-06 01:45 < Mahlzahn> NotACow !
2008-01-06 01:45 < troubled> FastLizard4: you see, services are what we call "non-human", thus they dont need to be asked for a ping. they just do it. get it now? mmmkthx
2008-01-06 01:46 < FastLizard4> ahh, yes
2008-01-06 01:46 < FastLizard4> PONG!
2008-01-06 01:46 < NotACow> Mahlzahn: what?
2008-01-06 01:46 < Mahlzahn> nothing. Just mooing back.
2008-01-06 01:46 < Mahlzahn> in greeting so to speak.
2008-01-06 01:46 < Rinn> "Jack Ass. Born Robert Craft, he legally changed his name to Jack Ass then brought a plagiarism lawsuit against MTV for their comedy sketch series Jackass. He commited suicide on July 21, 2003."
2008-01-06 01:46 < arcimboldo_> ChanServ doesn't answer my ping.
2008-01-06 01:47 < FastLizard4> Oh noes, it's the Evil_Monkey!
2008-01-06 01:47 < FastLizard4> [INFO] Ping reply from ChanServ in 1.05 seconds.
2008-01-06 01:47 < Mahlzahn> Rinn: please don't tell me there is an article on this luser
2008-01-06 01:47 < Rinn> Unfortunately not.
2008-01-06 01:47 < troubled> arcimboldo_: what umodes do you have?
2008-01-06 01:48 * FastLizard4 blocks all CTCP requests
2008-01-06 01:48 < arcimboldo_> err .. what are umodes? I'm a registered user, but not an op.
2008-01-06 01:48 < FastLizard4> arcimboldo_: My current umodes are +Cew
2008-01-06 01:48 < FastLizard4> type /umode
2008-01-06 01:48 < arcimboldo_> Anyhow, nickserv has replied, and it doesn't really matter.
2008-01-06 01:49 < troubled> it replied 10 seconds later?
2008-01-06 01:49 < FastLizard4> Actually, type /usermode
2008-01-06 01:49 < arcimboldo_> "invalid argument".
2008-01-06 01:49 < arcimboldo_> "unknown command"
2008-01-06 01:49 < FastLizard4> /ping ChanServ
2008-01-06 01:49 < FastLizard4> [INFO] Ping reply from ChanServ in 0.75 seconds.
2008-01-06 01:50 < Mahlzahn> its /usermode
2008-01-06 01:50 < FastLizard4> /usermode
2008-01-06 01:50 < FastLizard4> =-= User mode for FastLizard4 is now +ew
2008-01-06 01:51 < troubled> dont worry about umodes arcimboldo_. it appears services doesnt honour +C when it comes to pings
2008-01-06 01:51 < arcimboldo_> hm ... "Unknown command".
2008-01-06 01:51 < FastLizard4> Oh, arcimboldo_ is using xchat
2008-01-06 01:51 < FastLizard4> === CTCP version reply “xchat 2.8.5e Windows 5.1 [i686/2,40GHz]” from arcimboldo_
2008-01-06 01:51 < FastLizard4> /umode is the command, me thinks
2008-01-06 01:52 < arcimboldo_> Yep, on a temporary basis as long as I cannot get my Linux Internet connection to work.
2008-01-06 01:52 < LuciferTiger> what do most ppl use? i use mirc sometimes. using the forefox plugin atm
2008-01-06 01:52 < Mahlzahn> xchat on windows? Must be a spoofed useragent
2008-01-06 01:52 < FastLizard4> arcimboldo_: Try /umode
2008-01-06 01:52 < FastLizard4> I use ChatZilla
2008-01-06 01:53 < Mahlzahn> its actually a server command I think
2008-01-06 01:53 < Mahlzahn> oh wait. Never mind.
2008-01-06 01:53 < FastLizard4> Oh, it is
2008-01-06 01:53 < FastLizard4> Umm
2008-01-06 01:53 < FastLizard4> arcimboldo_: Type "/mode arcimboldo_"
2008-01-06 01:53 < FastLizard4> Yeah, there we go
2008-01-06 01:53 < FastLizard4> That's it
2008-01-06 01:54 < arcimboldo_> +e
2008-01-06 01:54 < FastLizard4> +e is all?
2008-01-06 01:54 < FastLizard4> hmm...
2008-01-06 01:54 < FastLizard4> Why isn't it returning your ping...
2008-01-06 01:54 * arcimboldo_ sinks from his chair in shame
2008-01-06 01:54 < arcimboldo_> What does it mean?
2008-01-06 01:54 < Mahlzahn> you are authenticated with nickserv. What more do you want?
2008-01-06 01:54 < FastLizard4> arcimboldo_: Try using /ctcp ChanServ ping
2008-01-06 01:54 < troubled> FastLizard4: +C was what i was after, but it doesnt apply to services pings anyways
2008-01-06 01:55 < Mahlzahn> arcimboldo_: +e == you have "echo"
2008-01-06 01:55 < Mahlzahn> I think
2008-01-06 01:55 < FastLizard4> troubled: Actually, +C only blocks CTCP requests
2008-01-06 01:55 < troubled> Mahlzahn: +e = registered and identified
2008-01-06 01:55 < FastLizard4> /not/ pings
2008-01-06 01:55 < troubled> FastLizard4: ah no, it blocks _replies_
2008-01-06 01:55 < FastLizard4> Mahlzahn: +e notes that you are IDed to NickServ
2008-01-06 01:55 < FastLizard4> troubled: Same difference