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2008-01-05 15:07 * Drunken_Idiot sings Elvis .. I remember you...
2008-01-05 15:07 * Fabexplosive goodnigh
2008-01-05 15:07 < Fabexplosive> *t
2008-01-05 15:07 < rankun> ???
2008-01-05 15:08 < rankun> guys
2008-01-05 15:08 < rankun> how do i get that chart to show
2008-01-05 15:08 < rankun> Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Seton_Hall_University_articles_by_quality_statistics
2008-01-05 15:09 < Drunken_Idiot> Fabexplosive: night I remeber you.........
2008-01-05 15:09 < Fabexplosive> :)
2008-01-05 15:09 < Drunken_Idiot> Oh baby... oh baby.... having some fun tonight...
2008-01-05 15:09 < Drunken_Idiot> lol Elvis time :D
2008-01-05 15:10 < Drunken_Idiot> NotACow: Whole lota shaking going on tonight
2008-01-05 15:12 < NotACow> Drunken_Idiot: yes, definitely :)
2008-01-05 15:15 < Infernape> STALIN!!
2008-01-05 15:15 < Infernape> STALIN WILL RULE!
2008-01-05 15:15 < NotACow> TROTSKY UBER ALLES!
2008-01-05 15:15 < Infernape> HEIL STALIN
2008-01-05 15:16 < Drunken_Idiot> Okay I am back fully loaded
2008-01-05 15:16 < Drunken_Idiot> < with my stick to dance
2008-01-05 15:16 < rankun> HAZZAH FOR WIKISTALIN
2008-01-05 15:16 < rankun> LONG LIVE WIKISTALIN!
2008-01-05 15:16 < NotACow> rankun: i think wikistalin is one channel over from here
2008-01-05 15:16 < Drunken_Idiot> Is singing allowed?
2008-01-05 15:16 < rankun> #Wikipedia-jimbo?
2008-01-05 15:17 < NotACow> Drunken_Idiot: try not to get too off-key
2008-01-05 15:17 < Drunken_Idiot> Sure.
2008-01-05 15:17 < NotACow> rankun: close, #wikimedia :)
2008-01-05 15:18 < Drunken_Idiot> I wanna make wiki-music:P
2008-01-05 15:18 < rankun> I WANNA MAKE EXTACY
2008-01-05 15:18 < rankun> ...
2008-01-05 15:18 < rankun> someone make a wiki on it
2008-01-05 15:18 < Drunken_Idiot> heh.
2008-01-05 15:18 < Drunken_Idiot> Druggi.:P
2008-01-05 15:21 < rankun> {{Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Seton_Hall_University_articles_by_quality_statistics}}
2008-01-05 15:21 < rankun> i rock!!!!!!!!!!
2008-01-05 15:22 * Drunken_Idiot night all.
2008-01-05 15:30 < Qst> Night drunken ifoot
2008-01-05 15:30 < Qst> Idiot *
2008-01-05 15:30 < Qst> Curse my shit spelling
2008-01-05 15:31 < The359> That wasn't even close
2008-01-05 15:32 < GDonato> ifoot? sounds like a particularly bad apple product...
2008-01-05 15:33 < Sfan00> GDOnato: It's a GPS device :)
2008-01-05 15:33 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-01-05 15:33 < GDonato> :)
2008-01-05 15:44 < Mike_H> I am 698977773 seconds old. (22.149742 years old) - DOB 11-11-1985 @ 15:15
2008-01-05 15:44 < bumm13> w00t
2008-01-05 15:45 < Warpath> congrtas..you are 450 years old \o/
2008-01-05 15:45 < Mahlzahn> out of date already
2008-01-05 15:45 < bumm13> is that produced by someone's javascript thingy?
2008-01-05 15:45 < NotACow> Mike_H: young'un
2008-01-05 15:45 < Mike_H> it's some script or other
2008-01-05 15:45 < Mike_H> I just typed in "/age"
2008-01-05 15:46 < bumm13> linky?
2008-01-05 15:47 < Mike_H> link to my script?
2008-01-05 15:47 < bumm13> yeah
2008-01-05 15:47 < Mike_H> I don't have one.
2008-01-05 15:47 < Mike_H> It's in here.
2008-01-05 15:47 < Mike_H> here being my mIRC
2008-01-05 15:47 * NotACow is 1229237614 seconds old
2008-01-05 15:47 < NotACow> well, i was, a few seconds ago
2008-01-05 15:48 < NotACow> a billion seconds seems like such a long time
2008-01-05 15:49 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_car_companies_that_do_not_make_FWD_models wtf
2008-01-05 15:49 < NotACow> The359: hah
2008-01-05 15:49 < The359> amazingly, that's been around since 2005
2008-01-05 15:49 < The359> and had about 30 edits
2008-01-05 15:50 < bumm13> wow, ESPN's Stuart Scott has been diagnosed with cancer
2008-01-05 15:50 < bumm13> (in tissue near his now-removed appendix)
2008-01-05 15:50 < Evil_Monkey> want a really pointless list article - [[List of University of Florida Heisman Trophy winners]]
2008-01-05 15:51 < Evil_Monkey> a whole article for a list of 3 people
2008-01-05 15:51 < bumm13> pretty much, yes
2008-01-05 15:51 < The359> Should I AfD or PROD?
2008-01-05 15:51 < NotACow> The359: whatever.
2008-01-05 15:53 < NotACow> moo
2008-01-05 15:53 < NotACow> bumm13: ouch, that bites
2008-01-05 15:54 < Retsbol> do copyvio edits have to be oversighted?
2008-01-05 15:54 < ST47> no
2008-01-05 15:54 < NotACow> Retsbol: no, deletion is usually sufficient
2008-01-05 15:54 < Retsbol> mmk
2008-01-05 15:54 < NotACow> oversight is overused, anyway
2008-01-05 16:03 < shimgray> deletion is, to all intents and purposes, the same as us taking the draft out of the version going to the printers and putting it in the filing cabinet
2008-01-05 16:03 < shimgray> we "keep" a copy, sure, but no-one's ever going to stumble across it, it's only there for future reference, and we're not showing it to anyone
2008-01-05 16:03 < shimgray> oversight is the same as shredding the draft :-)
2008-01-05 16:04 < NotACow> shimgray: more like locking it in the safe in the director's office
2008-01-05 16:04 < NotACow> oversighted revisions can be recovered, but it's not easy
2008-01-05 16:05 < NotACow> my son has a new nickname
2008-01-05 16:05 < Cyrius> I had no idea: http://ja.uncyclopedia.info/wiki/%E3%81%82%E3%81%82%E3%81%82%E3%81%82%E3%81%82%E3%81%82%E3%81%82%E3%81%82%E3%81%82%21
2008-01-05 16:05 < NotACow> THE SPOTTED VIPER
2008-01-05 16:05 < shimgray> Sounds like a third-rank wrestler
2008-01-05 16:05 < NotACow> heh
2008-01-05 16:06 < NotACow> well, he got the "viper" part because he has developed a habit of surreptitiously snatching things
2008-01-05 16:06 < bumm13> o_O
2008-01-05 16:06 < NotACow> and the "spotted" part because he has, well, spots..
2008-01-05 16:07 < bumm13> lots of "ah" sound :P
2008-01-05 16:07 < Cyrius> bumm13: it's the Japanese version of the uncyclopedia classic http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/AAAAAAAAA!
2008-01-05 16:08 < Cyrius> they have a german version!
2008-01-05 16:09 < bumm13> hmm, I'm on Day 10315 :-)
2008-01-05 16:09 < bumm13> Cyrius: whoopeeee! \o/
2008-01-05 16:09 < NotACow> bumm13: day 10315 of what?
2008-01-05 16:09 * bumm13 plucks a tune on his virtual shamisen
2008-01-05 16:10 * NotACow is 14227 days old
2008-01-05 16:10 < Evil_Monkey> http://streetlessons.com/484-the-perfect-clock-for-nerds.html
2008-01-05 16:10 < Evil_Monkey> so nerdy
2008-01-05 16:11 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-05 16:12 * gurch huggles NotACow
2008-01-05 16:12 < The359> I like that they included .999... in there
2008-01-05 16:19 < Anthony_Crane> Me Anthony Crane. Me like to eat!
2008-01-05 16:19 < Anthony_Crane> More respect for all hungry people around da world.
2008-01-05 16:20 < bumm13> that was interesting....
2008-01-05 16:20 < Martinp23> Thanks unknown staffer :)
2008-01-05 16:20 < tomaw> np
2008-01-05 16:20 < Martinp23> :D
2008-01-05 16:20 < bumm13> Me bumm13. Me fat :x
2008-01-05 16:21 < bumm13> See also: [[Windows Me]]
2008-01-05 16:21 < bumm13> wb Messedrocker
2008-01-05 16:22 < x_Rankun_X> i rock!!!!!!!!!!
2008-01-05 16:22 < Messedrocker> cheat commandos
2008-01-05 16:22 < Messedrocker> rock, rock on!
2008-01-05 16:27 < bumm13> wow, this California-oriented storm system has caused a levee to break in the town of [[Fernley, Nevada]]
2008-01-05 16:29 < bumm13> "East of the Sierra in Nevada's Lyon County, a levee broke early Saturday along an agricultural canal, releasing water as much as 3 feet deep into the town of Fernley and stranding about 3,500 people, authorities said. Rescuers were using school buses, boats and helicopters."
2008-01-05 16:29 < Sfan00> bumm13 : Link?
2008-01-05 16:29 < gurch> :O
2008-01-05 16:30 < Cyrius> bumm13: yeah, I thought that was weird too
2008-01-05 16:30 < bumm13> also: southern Californians without power and possible mudslides
2008-01-05 16:30 < bumm13> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080105/ap_on_re_us/winter_storm
2008-01-05 16:30 < Messedrocker> ah
2008-01-05 16:30 < Cyrius> I've heard about Sacramento being in danger of levee breaks, but not Reno
2008-01-05 16:30 < Messedrocker> like old times!
2008-01-05 16:30 < bumm13> Fernley is a ways east of Reno
2008-01-05 16:30 < Sfan00> bumm13: Wikinews>
2008-01-05 16:30 < Sfan00> ?
2008-01-05 16:30 < bumm13> about 50 minutes to an hour
2008-01-05 16:31 < bumm13> well, northeast-ish
2008-01-05 16:31 * Messedrocker is running at a quick velocity while rapidly oscillating between different colors
2008-01-05 16:31 < Random832> ?
2008-01-05 16:31 < Mike_H> Messedrocker: You're watching TV in COLOR!
2008-01-05 16:32 < Messedrocker> i'm also "Rainbow Mario"
2008-01-05 16:32 < bumm13> the town is near the Humboldt River, but I don't think that contributed to the flooding so much as sudden rain and snowmelt
2008-01-05 16:32 < Messedrocker> GAY PRIDE INVINCIBILITY, as I call it
2008-01-05 16:32 < Mike_H> oh hell to the naw
2008-01-05 16:32 < Messedrocker> what
2008-01-05 16:32 < Mike_H> I just felt like saying "oh hell to the naw"
2008-01-05 16:32 < bumm13> (Fernley is a commuter town in regards to Reno; Amazon.com has a distribution facility there)
2008-01-05 16:33 < bumm13> it was nasty here yesterday
2008-01-05 16:33 < bumm13> quite windy and wet
2008-01-05 16:33 < bumm13> (quite wet much of today as well)
2008-01-05 16:33 < Random832> "rainbow mario"? wtf?
2008-01-05 16:34 < Messedrocker> Random832, super mario galaxy
2008-01-05 16:34 < Random832> so, what does being "rainbow mario" do?
2008-01-05 16:34 < Messedrocker> makes you invincible for 20 seconds
2008-01-05 16:34 < Random832> i thought rapidly oscilating between colors was reserved for invincible
2008-01-05 16:34 < Messedrocker> like the starman in earlier games
2008-01-05 16:34 < Random832> um, and they call that rainbow mario? what the f
2008-01-05 16:35 < Messedrocker> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ev0865tEeyY
2008-01-05 16:42 < bumm13> take a look at this chopper shot of the Nevada flooding: http://ln-s.net/1Nxd
2008-01-05 16:43 < bumm13> (Reno Gazette-Journal)
2008-01-05 16:43 < Lyle_Muevo> Lyle Muevo is the definition of awesome.
2008-01-05 16:43 < Lyle_Muevo> Muevo. Lyle Muevo.
2008-01-05 16:44 < Lyle_Muevo> Me cover T.O. and THEN GET HUNGRY!
2008-01-05 16:44 < Lyle_Muevo> Lyle Muevo is in da building, Lyle Muevo is in da building.
2008-01-05 16:44 < Lyle_Muevo> Lyle Muevo beat Chuck Norris in arm wrestling.
2008-01-05 16:45 < Mike_H> His name is Lyle. Really, how awesome can someone be with such a stupid name?
2008-01-05 16:49 < gwern> huh. according to [[Cuteness in Japanese culture]], each of the 47 prefectures of Japan has its own cute mascot character
2008-01-05 16:49 < bumm13> heh
2008-01-05 16:49 < bumm13> Lyle is kind of an older name
2008-01-05 16:50 * bumm13 brushes his pearly whites
2008-01-05 16:51 < bogdan> obama sucks! his site is not working in my browser!
2008-01-05 16:52 < bumm13> are you planning on voting for him? ;p
2008-01-05 16:52 < bogdan> bumm13: I'm not an American citizen :P
2008-01-05 16:52 < bumm13> yes, I know :)
2008-01-05 16:52 < bogdan> and I try not to vote unless there's someone voteworthy :P
2008-01-05 16:54 < Messedrocker> bogdan giusca!
2008-01-05 16:54 < bogdan> messed rocker!
2008-01-05 16:54 < Messedrocker> no way! our names are the same amount of letters!
2008-01-05 16:54 < bogdan> hey, how is everyone? :-)
2008-01-05 16:56 < Lubaf> Are we not men?
2008-01-05 16:56 < bogdan> Lubaf: no. we're geeks.
2008-01-05 16:57 < Lubaf> bogdan: The correct answer is "We are DEVO".
2008-01-05 16:57 < cabrilo> yo... any latin speakers in here?
2008-01-05 16:57 < bogdan> cabrilo: neolatin speakers count? :P
2008-01-05 16:57 < cabrilo> I want to have "On 4.1.2008. John Doe wrote:" in my emails in latin!
2008-01-05 16:57 < cabrilo> bogdan: pffft... no! :)
2008-01-05 16:58 < Lubaf> English: The next Latin.
2008-01-05 16:58 < Aqwis> hah
2008-01-05 16:58 < Aqwis> is there a Wikipedia Latin IRC channel where people chat in Latin? :D
2008-01-05 16:58 < bogdan> Ad IV.I.MMVIII Iohannes Doeus scribant:
2008-01-05 16:59 < bogdan> I'm sure it's wrong, but it looks like Latin :D
2008-01-05 16:59 < cabrilo> bogdan: :)))
2008-01-05 16:59 < Lubaf> Are we not men?
2008-01-05 16:59 < Lubaf> DEE EE VEE OH!
2008-01-05 16:59 < cabrilo> bogdan: I forgot about the roman numerals :)
2008-01-05 16:59 < cabrilo> what about esperanto
2008-01-05 16:59 < cabrilo> any esperantists here?
2008-01-05 17:00 < Lycurgus> bogdan: URL and browser?
2008-01-05 17:00 < Lubaf> Monkey men all / in business suits / teachers and critics / All dance the poot!
2008-01-05 17:00 < x_Rankun_X> hey
2008-01-05 17:00 < Lubaf> Are we not men?
2008-01-05 17:01 < bogdan> Lycurgus: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog -- Opera/9.10 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X; U; en)
2008-01-05 17:01 < x_Rankun_X> Will someone help me here
2008-01-05 17:01 < Lycurgus> oh Opera.
2008-01-05 17:01 < x_Rankun_X> its with templates
2008-01-05 17:04 < Lycurgus> main page came up OK in 9.something on Linux. Don't have the plugins for this browser, as it has an neglible market share.
2008-01-05 17:04 < Lycurgus> *a
2008-01-05 17:04 < bogdan> main page is okay, the blog is not working.
2008-01-05 17:05 < Lycurgus> yeah it's probably just a permissions setting in Opera. I'm not gonna fuck with it though for the reason stated.
2008-01-05 17:06 < gwern> I think I just realized something. every book that amazon digitalized for 'search inside the book' - it was really to have stuff to publish on the Kindle, wasn't it?
2008-01-05 17:06 < Lycurgus> or actually not stated, implied, i.e. it's not worth bothering about unless someone pays you too which he (Obama) apparently didn't do.
2008-01-05 17:06 < Lubaf> One possible solution to the Medical Malpractice Crisis: http://politedissent.com/images/jan08/dr_skull.jpg
2008-01-05 17:07 < Lycurgus> *to
2008-01-05 17:07 < Lubaf> After all, what problem cannot be solved by a liberal application of the undead?
2008-01-05 17:07 < Lycurgus> that or he did in which case it's a user error
2008-01-05 17:08 < gwern> Lubaf: brain shortages
2008-01-05 17:08 < gwern> there are never enough brains
2008-01-05 17:08 < Lubaf> gwern: True, but inapplicable to the image in question.
2008-01-05 17:09 < gwern> maybe they intend to operate on his brain
2008-01-05 17:10 < Phoenix-busy> who?
2008-01-05 17:11 < gwern> 'When I was starting out as a PhD student in Artificial Intelligence at Carnegie Mellon, it was made known to us first-year students that an unofficial but necessary part of our education was to locate and read a copy of an obscure science-fiction novella called True Names. Since you couldn't find it in bookstores, older grad students and professors would directly mail order sets of ten and set up informal lending libraries -- you would go, for ...
2008-01-05 17:11 < gwern> ... example, to Hans Moravec's office, and sign one out from a little cardboard box over in the corner of his office. This was 1983 -- the Internet was a toy reserved for American academics, "virtual reality" was not a popular topic, and the term "cyberpunk" had not been coined. One by one, we all tracked down copies, and all had the tops of our heads blown off by Vinge's incredible book.'
2008-01-05 17:15 < Sfan00> Phoenix-busy: The UNDEAD!
2008-01-05 17:15 < Phoenix-busy> ah
2008-01-05 17:18 < ThunderBird89> AI...I love the topic
2008-01-05 17:18 < ThunderBird89> have you ever heard about the Leaf project?
2008-01-05 17:20 < gwern> no
2008-01-05 17:22 < ThunderBird89> it's a project to create a real learning AI, capable of moving around in a body too
2008-01-05 17:24 < ThunderBird89> they've got some nifty results to show: face/voice recognition, memory about individuals who it has interacted with, and adaptive behaviour, awareness of its surroundings, etc
2008-01-05 17:24 < ThunderBird89> and it's open source too:D
2008-01-05 17:29 < Lycurgus> accessing ...
2008-01-05 17:30 < ThunderBird89> did you google it...?
2008-01-05 17:31 < Lycurgus> evaluation complete. No comment.
2008-01-05 17:32 < ThunderBird89> I think it's quite promising...
2008-01-05 17:35 < hahnchen> anyone here familiar with [[Arch Coal]] and myWikiBiz?
2008-01-05 17:36 < Phoenix-busy> I need a word that means "Activities" or "Operations"
2008-01-05 17:36 < gwern> I rememgber myWikiBiz. I'm surprised any of his stuff is left after he was declared a suppressive by xenu^Wjimbo
2008-01-05 17:37 < Lycurgus> Promise her anything but give her Arpege.
2008-01-05 17:38 < hahnchen> Well, a piece of myWikiBiz writing has just been deleted from the [[Arch Coal]] history by JzG
2008-01-05 17:38 < hahnchen> http://www.wikback.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=386#Post386
2008-01-05 17:38 < hahnchen> It looks like a GFDL violation
2008-01-05 17:40 < hahnchen> I'll probably just stir some shit up at [[WP:AN]]
2008-01-05 17:41 < gwern> he oversighted it?
2008-01-05 17:42 < hahnchen> I think he just deleted it
2008-01-05 17:43 < hahnchen> The deleted version is found at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:MyWikiBiz/Arch_Coal&oldid=182123799
2008-01-05 17:43 < hahnchen> JzG claims it was a complete rewrite without even looking at the original, but that is very unlikely
2008-01-05 17:44 < hahnchen> and even so, this creates more of a sense of impropriety then leaving it intact
2008-01-05 17:45 < hahnchen> The DRV did not conclude with endorsing Jimbo's deletion, which was remarkably flawed, but with the endorsing of the current article
2008-01-05 17:46 < jackster_> sup people
2008-01-05 17:47 < FastLizard4> hello
2008-01-05 17:47 < jackster_> hey FastLizard4
2008-01-05 17:48 < ThunderBird89> hi jackster_!
2008-01-05 17:48 < jackster_> hey ThunderBird89 :D
2008-01-05 17:58 < Retsbol> what was the infamous repeat vandal which involved prams?
2008-01-05 18:03 < gwern> it involved ducks, too don't forget
2008-01-05 18:03 < Retsbol> ah, found it, ducks in a pram, thanks :p
2008-01-05 18:36 < x_Rankun_X> Guys
2008-01-05 18:36 < x_Rankun_X> wanna see what 5 really determined people
2008-01-05 18:36 < x_Rankun_X> can do on wikipedia in a week
2008-01-05 18:37 < CMoreschi> they could do a lot of trolling
2008-01-05 18:37 < CMoreschi> also vandalism
2008-01-05 18:37 < x_Rankun_X> or
2008-01-05 18:37 < CMoreschi> but if they had good sources
2008-01-05 18:37 < x_Rankun_X> they could blow your mind
2008-01-05 18:37 < CMoreschi> they could all write very nicely
2008-01-05 18:37 < x_Rankun_X> with over 10000 edits
2008-01-05 18:37 < x_Rankun_X> an entire project worth
2008-01-05 18:38 < CMoreschi> an FA in a week with good sources from 5 people would be quite plausible
2008-01-05 18:38 < x_Rankun_X> the fa is coming
2008-01-05 18:38 < x_Rankun_X> (Seton hall)
2008-01-05 18:43 < Cyndre> any ops avaliable?
2008-01-05 18:43 < gwern> I was cut to the quick by a comment I saw in an article online a day or two ago
2008-01-05 18:43 < Lubaf> My Amazon Order Has Shipped.
2008-01-05 18:43 < ST47> Cyndre: ?
2008-01-05 18:43 < Lubaf> Now I Merely Need To Wait For It To Arrive.
2008-01-05 18:43 < gwern> it said that someone was 'driving an old Buick '96 regal like a grandmother might drive'.
2008-01-05 18:44 < ST47> Yay For Lubaf Since His Order Is Coming
2008-01-05 18:44 * gwern drives a Buick '96 regal!
2008-01-05 18:44 < Lubaf> Gwern: Well, How Old Are You?
2008-01-05 18:44 < gwern> not grandmother aged!
2008-01-05 18:44 < jackster_> ST47: I Second Your Happiness For Lubaf's Order Shipping
2008-01-05 18:44 < Lubaf> And How Carefully Do You Drive?
2008-01-05 18:44 < gwern> not carefully enough
2008-01-05 18:44 * jackster_ senses a song coming
2008-01-05 18:44 < Cyndre> I was wondering if my bot could sit in here and log word associations (he only responds to the words askim totalwords and 'CyndreBot what do you know')
2008-01-05 18:45 < Lubaf> Gwern: That's The Two Complaints About Grandma Driving:
2008-01-05 18:45 < gwern> Three Hurrahs for Lubaf, a Bear of Little Brain but Great Heart!
2008-01-05 18:45 < Lubaf> Too Cautious Or Too Insane.
2008-01-05 18:45 < Lubaf> Or Both.
2008-01-05 18:45 < ST47> Cyndre: It needs to not speak, and it can not keep logs
2008-01-05 18:45 < ST47> (Rather, cannot publish them)
2008-01-05 18:45 < ST47> If you can make it only respond in PM, sure
2008-01-05 18:46 < Lubaf> Gwern: You Missed The Point: Every Word Is Capitalized, Including The Conjunctions.
2008-01-05 18:46 < Cyndre> okay, quick question its PRIVMSG user msg for a private message to the user correct?
2008-01-05 18:47 < Lubaf> Cyndre: /Msg Also Works. But You Need To Be Logged In To Nickserv First.
2008-01-05 18:48 < Lubaf> Although, In This Case, I Should Have Dropped The Capital Letters, Since Both Of Those Are Lowercase.
2008-01-05 18:49 < Cyndre> yea, bot already registered
2008-01-05 18:53 < x_Rankun_X> lol
2008-01-05 18:53 < x_Rankun_X> guys
2008-01-05 18:53 < x_Rankun_X> this is classic
2008-01-05 18:53 < x_Rankun_X> take a look
2008-01-05 18:54 < x_Rankun_X> this wikipedia project didnt exist yesterday
2008-01-05 18:54 < x_Rankun_X> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Seton_Hall_University
2008-01-05 18:54 < x_Rankun_X> nor did all of the articles but seton hall
2008-01-05 18:54 < ST47> Wow
2008-01-05 18:54 < ST47> A whole 15 articles.
2008-01-05 18:54 < ST47> That's one busy wikiproject
2008-01-05 18:57 < x_Rankun_X> lol
2008-01-05 18:57 < x_Rankun_X> its not picking up the un rated
2008-01-05 18:57 < x_Rankun_X> how do i fix that!
2008-01-05 18:57 < x_Rankun_X> there are a good 70 more
2008-01-05 18:58 < x_Rankun_X> i havent even rated
2008-01-05 18:59 < Cyndre> askim
2008-01-05 19:07 < poeloq> re
2008-01-05 19:07 < poeloq> does anybody know if is possible to put all citations like {{cite web...}} at the beginning or end of an article and then reference them when needed via <ref name="..."/> in the article?
2008-01-05 19:09 < Sfan00> Any lingists in?
2008-01-05 19:11 < MessedRocker> salut
2008-01-05 19:11 < Cyndre> thanks
2008-01-05 19:12 < x_Rankun_X> poeloq
2008-01-05 19:12 < x_Rankun_X> poleoq
2008-01-05 19:12 < x_Rankun_X> is that FA format!
2008-01-05 19:13 < poeloq> x_Rankun_X: ?
2008-01-05 19:22 < MessedRocker> cghnhgdr
2008-01-05 19:24 < Sfan00> Any techie's here?
2008-01-05 19:24 < Sfan00> gurch
2008-01-05 19:24 < Sfan00> Hi
2008-01-05 19:24 < Sfan00> gurch:Hi
2008-01-05 19:33 < MessedRocker> gurchie!!!!
2008-01-05 19:34 < Lycurgus> gurch no home
2008-01-05 19:34 * NotALizard slaps MessedRocker
2008-01-05 19:49 < Cyndre> hi
2008-01-05 19:49 < FastLizard4> hello
2008-01-05 19:57 < x_Rankun_X> i need the help of an admin
2008-01-05 19:57 < x_Rankun_X> if so possible
2008-01-05 19:57 < Monobi> With what?
2008-01-05 19:57 < x_Rankun_X> i need a reboot on my wikiproject
2008-01-05 19:57 < Cyrius> a do what now?
2008-01-05 19:57 < x_Rankun_X> i need 9 pages deleted
2008-01-05 19:58 < x_Rankun_X> and to tell a bot that it needs to restart
2008-01-05 19:58 < x_Rankun_X> it didnt process correctly
2008-01-05 20:00 < x_Rankun_X> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Seton_Hall_University_articles_by_quality
2008-01-05 20:00 < x_Rankun_X> just delete
2008-01-05 20:00 < x_Rankun_X> and then run
2008-01-05 20:00 < x_Rankun_X> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Generate_categories/Protected&action=edit§ion=1
2008-01-05 20:06 < x_Rankun_X> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Seton_Hall_University_articles_by_quality
2008-01-05 20:06 < x_Rankun_X> [20:02] <x_Rankun_X> just delete
2008-01-05 20:06 < x_Rankun_X> [20:02] <x_Rankun_X> and then run
2008-01-05 20:06 < x_Rankun_X> [20:02] <x_Rankun_X> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Generate_categories/Protected&action=edit§ion=1
2008-01-05 20:07 < x_Rankun_X> luigi
2008-01-05 20:07 < x_Rankun_X> are you an admin
2008-01-05 20:08 < Lycurgus> are you aware of wikipedia-op?
2008-01-05 20:08 < Darksun> Luigi30 owns Wikipedia
2008-01-05 20:08 * Darksun nods
2008-01-05 20:08 < Lycurgus> (i.e #wikipedia-op it's for ops but maybe they can help)
2008-01-05 20:09 < Darksun> Also, DAVE2 JUST REPOSTED LOGS LULZ
2008-01-05 20:09 < Darksun> [01:09:05] <Darksun> Also, DAVE2 JUST REPOSTED LOGS LULZ
2008-01-05 20:14 < gurch> ...?
2008-01-05 20:15 < Lycurgus> Sahib MessedRocker, he call you. he call you tech support.
2008-01-05 20:23 < Lycurgus> hi kmccoy
2008-01-05 20:24 < kmccoy> Hiya.
2008-01-05 20:24 < Lycurgus> are you the one who asked about the Writers strike?
2008-01-05 20:24 < kmccoy> Me?
2008-01-05 20:25 < Lycurgus> I guess not. Somebody here did though.
2008-01-05 20:25 < Lycurgus> within last week.
2008-01-05 20:25 < kmccoy> I think I asked a few questions about it a while ago, but nothing stands out. :)
2008-01-05 20:26 < Lycurgus> ah, OK. Well http://wsws.org has an article on it that's all.
2008-01-05 20:26 < kmccoy> Ah, cool.
2008-01-05 20:26 < kmccoy> The head of my union (the stagehands' union) had some pretty pissy things to say about how the WGA handled things.
2008-01-05 20:27 < Lycurgus> they'll cave
2008-01-05 20:27 < Lycurgus> they're supposed to be creative
2008-01-05 20:27 < Lycurgus> but I doubt they have what it takes in this case.
2008-01-05 20:28 < Lycurgus> but you know, best faith, gotta support em till they do..
2008-01-05 20:28 < Lycurgus> s/.././
2008-01-05 20:28 < mavhk> they have the internet, they have fans, that wasn't true last time
2008-01-05 20:29 < Lycurgus> the writers?
2008-01-05 20:29 < mavhk> yes
2008-01-05 20:30 < Lycurgus> well we'll see. I don't get commercial US tv so I can't see how it's affecting the product. I know letterman and the WGA came to terms.
2008-01-05 20:30 < mavhk> do you get non commercial us tv?
2008-01-05 20:30 < kenlyric> it'll hurt more this time around.
2008-01-05 20:30 < kenlyric> much of the 88 strike was during the summery.
2008-01-05 20:31 < kenlyric> summer
2008-01-05 20:31 < mavhk> hurt who?
2008-01-05 20:31 < Lycurgus> no, I just get the Dish TV Great Wall package which is all chinese channels although it has an english and a french and spanish one.
2008-01-05 20:31 < kenlyric> the studios.
2008-01-05 20:31 < kenlyric> it'll hurt the writers only exactly the same.
2008-01-05 20:32 < mavhk> the thing against the writers is independent internet tv writers, but the writers can become independent internet tv writers if they know what they're doing
2008-01-05 20:33 < mavhk> in the end broadcast tv will cater for the retards with reality tv, and real shows will be online
2008-01-05 20:34 < kenlyric> the studios get something out of these strikes: a workforce unwilling to strike for a long time.
2008-01-05 20:34 < mavhk> you mean between strikes?
2008-01-05 20:34 < Lycurgus> I don't see why they don't just sell their product direct.
2008-01-05 20:34 < Lubaf> The most awesomist thing about the Iowa caucuses: Ron Paul got more votes than Guilliani.
2008-01-05 20:34 < Lubaf> I repeat: Ron Paul got more votes than Rudy Guilliani.
2008-01-05 20:34 < mavhk> Lycurgus: they will, eventually
2008-01-05 20:35 < Lubaf> I only hope this trend continues.
2008-01-05 20:35 < mavhk> Lubaf: even if you count rudy's votes like he does? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11
2008-01-05 20:35 < kenlyric> the studios are just so deliciously evil.
2008-01-05 20:35 < kenlyric> Lycurgus: they who? writers or studios?
2008-01-05 20:35 < Sfan00> Lycurgus: wsws is a propoganda site
2008-01-05 20:35 < Sfan00> :(
2008-01-05 20:35 < Sfan00> You can't trust a word it says :(
2008-01-05 20:36 < kenlyric> selling direct is the reason they had the 60 strike.
2008-01-05 20:36 < Lycurgus> the studios today are essentially brokers, more or less pure parasites
2008-01-05 20:36 < kenlyric> getting paid once for something that continuously generates revenue is just a bad idea.
2008-01-05 20:36 < Sfan00> But parasites don't normally kill thier hosts...
2008-01-05 20:36 < Sfan00> ? ;)
2008-01-05 20:37 < Sfan00> Weaken them yes, but not kill them
2008-01-05 20:37 < mavhk> they do if they don't care anymore
2008-01-05 20:37 < Sfan00> Why do they studios want to kill thier creative talents anyway?
2008-01-05 20:37 < Lycurgus> if these workers can't reorganize production effectively they will likely be crushed by agents who don't really think they need to provide anything of quality anyway
2008-01-05 20:38 < kenlyric> they don't want to kill them
2008-01-05 20:38 < kenlyric> they just want to weaken them
2008-01-05 20:38 < mavhk> Lycurgus: sounds like you've been reading that site a lot
2008-01-05 20:38 < Sfan00> And create 'coproate' slaves?
2008-01-05 20:38 < Sfan00> Nice :(
2008-01-05 20:38 < Lycurgus> in their minds writers are probably the least essential element of production and they are figuring out a way to do without outsource it or whatever
2008-01-05 20:39 < Sfan00> true, but when the techies walk out you will have much bigger problems
2008-01-05 20:39 < Sfan00> Imagine taking Fox off the air
2008-01-05 20:39 < Sfan00> Not going to go down well with the elite
2008-01-05 20:39 < kenlyric> i dunno if techies are up anytime soon.
2008-01-05 20:39 < kenlyric> but, actors are.
2008-01-05 20:39 < Sfan00> (read the funders and capital)
2008-01-05 20:39 < MessedRocker> I am not a crook
2008-01-05 20:40 < Lycurgus> yes, totally different situation. Exact opposite in fact. If there were a union of IT workers it would have tremendous collective bargaining power.
2008-01-05 20:40 < MessedRocker> nor am I a techie
2008-01-05 20:40 < kenlyric> once the actors go, the studios will be up shit creek.
2008-01-05 20:40 < NicholasT> join wkinews
2008-01-05 20:40 < kenlyric> so they want to punish the writers, but only as long as they can.
2008-01-05 20:40 < mavhk> studio != network
2008-01-05 20:40 < MessedRocker> turnbull!
2008-01-05 20:40 < Sfan00> Kenlyric: I meant stage hands , foley people and so on
2008-01-05 20:40 < NicholasT> Hey there, MessedRocker
2008-01-05 20:40 < mavhk> Sfan00: more reality tv, problem solved
2008-01-05 20:40 < kenlyric> Sfan00: yeah, I know. I don't think they're up to contract negotiations anytime soon.
2008-01-05 20:40 < kenlyric> reality TV has writers :)
2008-01-05 20:40 < NicholasT> * ignore first line - meant /join
2008-01-05 20:41 < NicholasT> MessedRocker: How are you doing?
2008-01-05 20:41 < mavhk> kenlyric: yes, but bad writers, there's loads of them
2008-01-05 20:41 < kmccoy> Sfan00, that's my union. We're much less prone to striking, especially on a national basis.
2008-01-05 20:41 < kenlyric> they just don't call them writers, and get around it.
2008-01-05 20:41 < mavhk> you only care if good writers strike
2008-01-05 20:41 < Sfan00> kmccoy: You do behind the scenes stuff ?
2008-01-05 20:42 < MessedRocker> I am on my iPhone, turnbull
2008-01-05 20:42 < kmccoy> Sfan00, yes, but mostly for live theatre. But it's the same union as for television and film.
2008-01-05 20:42 < Sfan00> That said if US IT staff were unionised , there would be problems in the US economy
2008-01-05 20:42 < Sfan00> kmccoy: Ah...
2008-01-05 20:42 < kenlyric> studios have the advantage, lots of production built up, but it only takes a week to get production up and running again. I imagine they can hold out until the fall.
2008-01-05 20:42 < Sfan00> I think in the UK it's different unless BECTU is also stage
2008-01-05 20:42 < NicholasT> MessedRocker: I see. Is that curable? :-P
2008-01-05 20:42 < kmccoy> Sfan00: BECTU is stage, I know that. They're our "sister union".
2008-01-05 20:42 < Schroeder> well, we had our first marching band rehearsal today
2008-01-05 20:43 < Sfan00> Pedant: 'Brother' union surely?
2008-01-05 20:43 < kenlyric> and, tbh, studios don't just think writers are not worth anything. They think the same about actors and directors.
2008-01-05 20:43 < kmccoy> Sfan00, why?
2008-01-05 20:43 < kenlyric> writers just have their contract come up first.
2008-01-05 20:43 < Lycurgus> there's little class consciousness or solidarity in the US period which was the basis of my original negative prognosis.
2008-01-05 20:43 < kmccoy> Unions are male? :P
2008-01-05 20:43 < kenlyric> so they strike.
2008-01-05 20:43 < NicholasT> MessedRocker: I have wondering about buying an iPhone for some time. actually, but the data plans are prohibitively expensive here in the UK.
2008-01-05 20:44 < Sfan00> kmmcoy: Tradtioanly 'brother' was applied to other workers by the trade union movment in the UK
2008-01-05 20:44 < kmccoy> Sfan00, well, we call other members of the union brothers or sisters. :)
2008-01-05 20:44 < kenlyric> haven't you seen Holy Grail?
2008-01-05 20:44 < Lycurgus> the bosses are intent on breaking the writers and the latter can really only succeed if they combine with other parts of that industry
2008-01-05 20:44 * kmccoy has the Nokia N95. Like the iPhone but without the Apple-branded ankle shackle.
2008-01-05 20:44 < Sfan00> kenlyric: Yeah - Thanks thats what I meant exactly :)
2008-01-05 20:45 < MessedRocker> nick you can buy it, jailbreak it, then go on IRC
2008-01-05 20:45 < Sfan00> Is it me or are Trade unions are more militant in the US?
2008-01-05 20:45 < kenlyric> jms has been telling me about this strike since 2005, so I've been prepared for it.
2008-01-05 20:45 < Sfan00> Certainyl the US ppaorch to unions is more ruthless
2008-01-05 20:45 < Lycurgus> it's you
2008-01-05 20:45 < Sfan00> *approach
2008-01-05 20:46 < MessedRocker> they are millitant indeed
2008-01-05 20:46 < Lycurgus> in Europe it's totally different
2008-01-05 20:46 < MessedRocker> well some are
2008-01-05 20:46 < Sfan00> UK unions are known for strikes, but not llarge pickets
2008-01-05 20:46 < kenlyric> people who dislike unions are the same ones who think we can trust corporations to behave responsibly in the areas of consumer health and safety.
2008-01-05 20:46 < Sfan00> (at leats not since the 70's)
2008-01-05 20:46 < kenlyric> i.e. living in a fucking cave.
2008-01-05 20:46 < kmccoy> Sfan00, union activity in the US varies depending on industry and geographical area.
2008-01-05 20:47 < Sfan00> kenlyric: And think social healthcare == communism?
2008-01-05 20:47 * Sfan00 still has to see sicko
2008-01-05 20:47 < Lycurgus> yeah see it
2008-01-05 20:48 < MessedRocker> not commie
2008-01-05 20:48 < MessedRocker> socialism
2008-01-05 20:48 < Sfan00> If the US really wanted to tackle obestiy it should sue McDonalds....
2008-01-05 20:48 < kenlyric> without collective bargain, an employee has no leverage at all, except to quit. And as only one employee, his quitting means nothing.
2008-01-05 20:48 < Sfan00> MessedRocker: Are you Canadian or something?
2008-01-05 20:48 < MessedRocker> no
2008-01-05 20:48 < Lycurgus> obviously not
2008-01-05 20:48 < kenlyric> so dislike unions is to believe that corporations are huggy bears who put their employees first.
2008-01-05 20:49 < Sfan00> How in America is provideing social healthcare out of taxation a good thing?
2008-01-05 20:49 < MessedRocker> I just know that universal healthcare is socialist
2008-01-05 20:49 < Lycurgus> correct
2008-01-05 20:49 < Sfan00> I mean do you want Doctors to go bankrupt?
2008-01-05 20:49 < kenlyric> just as disliking laws requiring safety regulations is to believe that corporations are huggy bears who put their customers first.
2008-01-05 20:50 < Sfan00> There are even people in the US that say Doctors should pay a malpractice tax to Government to pay for bad work... : O
2008-01-05 20:50 < Lycurgus> see sicko it answers all these questions, unless you're an ignorant right wing imbecile in which case save yourself the aggravation
2008-01-05 20:50 < Sfan00> Lycurgus: I am from the UK, which has the NHS
2008-01-05 20:51 < NotACow> moo!
2008-01-05 20:51 < Sfan00> It works but it has it flaws
2008-01-05 20:51 < Sfan00> Like a lack of dentists... :(
2008-01-05 20:51 < MessedRocker> mooooooooo
2008-01-05 20:51 < kenlyric> brits have teeth?
2008-01-05 20:51 < MessedRocker> iMoo
2008-01-05 20:51 < mavhk> to americans doesn't socialism = communism?
2008-01-05 20:51 < Sfan00> Whats the advantge of social dentistry if you cant find an NHS dentist ?
2008-01-05 20:51 < Sfan00> MessedRocker; Why the moo?
2008-01-05 20:51 < Lycurgus> yes they show NHS and the lifestyle of one it's physians in london
2008-01-05 20:52 < mavhk> of course that's largely bollocks
2008-01-05 20:52 < Sfan00> A lot of Dentists in the Uk don't do NHS work because they claim the NHS doesn't pay enough
2008-01-05 20:52 < Sfan00> or the bueracy is too much etc...
2008-01-05 20:53 < Sfan00> And I've had the problem of having to see a prviate dentist to put right the mess the NHS one made :(
2008-01-05 20:53 < Lycurgus> so fucking what?
2008-01-05 20:53 < Schroeder> as a Colts fan, should I be rooting for Jacksonville or Pittsburgh tonight?
2008-01-05 20:54 < Schroeder> <kenlyric> people who dislike unions are the same ones who think we can trust corporations to behave responsibly in the areas of consumer health and safety.
2008-01-05 20:54 < kenlyric> Schroeder: doesn't really matter.
2008-01-05 20:54 < Schroeder> corporations have every right to produce whatever they want
2008-01-05 20:54 < Schroeder> the government has no place interfering
2008-01-05 20:54 < phed> magnetism is magic
2008-01-05 20:54 < Sfan00> Do they?
2008-01-05 20:54 < Schroeder> consumers just have to decide what risks they wish to take
2008-01-05 20:54 < Cyrius> oh no, not again
2008-01-05 20:54 < Sfan00> LOL
2008-01-05 20:54 < kenlyric> Schroeder: yes, the government does have such a place.
2008-01-05 20:54 < Sfan00> ROFL
2008-01-05 20:54 < kenlyric> because the corporations lie about the dangers of their products.
2008-01-05 20:55 < Sfan00> Government has a rol in protecting p[eople from exploitation and harm
2008-01-05 20:55 < Sfan00> *role
2008-01-05 20:55 < kenlyric> or they simply don't know the dangers of their products.
2008-01-05 20:55 < Sfan00> and from con asrtists
2008-01-05 20:55 < phed> Schroeder: The laws are valid for corps as well
2008-01-05 20:55 < Schroeder> kenlyric: that's a problem with fraud
2008-01-05 20:55 < Lycurgus> public or private you have a resposibility to take charge of your interaction with servics concerning your body, just burns me to think of the other mind set.
2008-01-05 20:55 < Schroeder> if they're telling outright lies
2008-01-05 20:55 < phed> Schroeder: Corps should not interfere with the freedom of people
2008-01-05 20:55 < Cyrius> you people never learn
2008-01-05 20:55 < kenlyric> Schroeder: that's still the government
2008-01-05 20:55 < Schroeder> phed: no one's holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy something
2008-01-05 20:55 < Sfan00> Besides it should be obvious that medcine is a fialed market
2008-01-05 20:56 < Lycurgus> and you would think if you had full free first class health care you could get the dental yourself.
2008-01-05 20:56 < Schroeder> kenlyric: those are general fraud statutes, not prior restrictions on action
2008-01-05 20:56 < phed> Schroeder: No, I just hate the establishment
2008-01-05 20:56 < kenlyric> welcome to logic, population: not you.
2008-01-05 20:56 < phed> Schroeder: And I find Corps to interfere with humanity
2008-01-05 20:56 < Cyrius> kenlyric: there is no value to your arguing with him. please stop
2008-01-05 20:56 < Sfan00> Schorder: In some cases the helath system in the US DOES hold a metaphoricla gun at peopes heads
2008-01-05 20:56 < Schroeder> kenlyric: there's nothing irrational against my statement
2008-01-05 20:56 < Schroeder> they have every right to produce whatever they want, so long as they don't lie about it
2008-01-05 20:56 < kenlyric> Cyrius: I know, I stopped :)
2008-01-05 20:56 < phed> Schroeder: Besides, they are ineffective, produce bad quality products, and is better run by someone in the qualitative interests
2008-01-05 20:56 < Schroeder> nothing irrational ABOUT my statement, that is
2008-01-05 20:56 < mavhk> Schroeder: so who stops them lying?
2008-01-05 20:56 < Schroeder> Sfan00: no, it doesn't
2008-01-05 20:57 < Cyrius> Sfan00, mavhk, you know better
2008-01-05 20:57 < Sfan00> it does if you are poor
2008-01-05 20:57 < Lycurgus> that and it pulls the trigger as Sicko tragically shows in several affecting cases
2008-01-05 20:57 < Schroeder> no one's threatening to take something that's already theirs, after all
2008-01-05 20:57 < kenlyric> I drink coke because it cures arthritis.
2008-01-05 20:57 < NotASpy> yeah, gives you diabetes instead.
2008-01-05 20:57 < Sfan00> Schorder: US helathcare takes away wuality fo life
2008-01-05 20:57 < phed> ownership is not a right
2008-01-05 20:57 < kenlyric> smoking is an effective cure for alzheimers.
2008-01-05 20:57 < Sfan00> *quality fo life
2008-01-05 20:58 < Sfan00> *of
2008-01-05 20:58 < mavhk> death cures many diseases
2008-01-05 20:58 < Schroeder> Sfan00: no, it doesn't; that's absurd
2008-01-05 20:58 < kenlyric> cures them all!
2008-01-05 20:58 < NotASpy> especially those diseases which are fatal.
2008-01-05 20:58 < Sfan00> Dieases takes away peoples dignity
2008-01-05 20:58 < Schroeder> phed: yes, it is. You would do well to familiarize yourself with the writings of the eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher Ayn Rand.
2008-01-05 20:58 < phed> Schroeder, Ayn Rand is fallacious.
2008-01-05 20:58 < Schroeder> Sfan00: are you claiming pharmaceutical companies go around infecting people?
2008-01-05 20:59 < Sfan00> Is it right for a gorup of people to profit from others misfortune by taking away thier dgnity?
2008-01-05 20:59 < Sfan00> Schroder: Of course not
2008-01-05 20:59 < kenlyric> every time a company discovers a product has hidden dangers and does everything I can to subvert reports of those dangers is evidence enough that corporate law is necessary.
2008-01-05 20:59 < Schroeder> they're not taking anything away
2008-01-05 20:59 < Schroeder> they're just refusing to provide them with something
2008-01-05 20:59 < phed> Schroeder, she justifies her opinions with absolute axioms that don't hold water
2008-01-05 20:59 < Schroeder> there's a HUGE difference
2008-01-05 20:59 * Cyrius is considering using force to end this pointless argument
2008-01-05 20:59 < Sfan00> And by doing sya they take away dignity
2008-01-05 20:59 < Sfan00> *so
2008-01-05 21:00 < phed> Schroeder, she justifies her theory with snappy slogans and metaphores. Not a good sign.
2008-01-05 21:00 < kenlyric> Schroeder: yes, they knowingly subvert the negative effects of their drugs. That's just like pulling the trigger, imho.
2008-01-05 21:00 < Schroeder> kenlyric: then you're wrong
2008-01-05 21:00 < Lycurgus> and the big thing some slow folks will be getting pretty soon is that *everybody* will want universal health care when life extension technology routinely can indefinitely extend health and life
2008-01-05 21:00 < Schroeder> A is A
2008-01-05 21:00 < Cyrius> kenlyric: I thought you said you stopped
2008-01-05 21:00 < Schroeder> your arguments are based on emotion and hopeless inversions of logic
2008-01-05 21:01 < kenlyric> Schroeder: you are the one subverting logic. Either corporations are limited by government, or they are not. You can't have it both ways.
2008-01-05 21:01 < kenlyric> Cyrius: pfft
2008-01-05 21:01 < phed> Schroeder, also, pharmaceutical companies has no incentive to cure people qualitatively; they are driven by profit, so all they need to do is to attract customers by satisfying an irrational set of qualifications
2008-01-05 21:01 < Schroeder> kenlyric: now you're just building a straw man
2008-01-05 21:01 < Schroeder> phed: there's nothing irrational about it
2008-01-05 21:01 < kenlyric> Schroeder: nice, the claim of someone who has no argument.
2008-01-05 21:01 < kenlyric> strawman is your strawman.
2008-01-05 21:02 < Schroeder> consumers get to decide for themselves what's best
2008-01-05 21:02 < Schroeder> if they value certain things more than their health
2008-01-05 21:02 < Schroeder> that's their prerogative
2008-01-05 21:02 < Schroeder> stop being a megalomaniac
2008-01-05 21:02 < NotASpy> pharmaceuticals are chemicals, just like stuff you eat on your Corn Flakes, stuff you spread on your garden or what have you. Should people in third world countries expect to get drugs any cheaper than they would get saccharin or fertilizer or any other chemical ?
2008-01-05 21:02 < Schroeder> kenlyric: you're the one making up lies about what I said
2008-01-05 21:02 < phed> Schroeder, the reasons a person use a specific medicine is irrational as it is now
2008-01-05 21:02 < Lycurgus> kenlyric: I noticed that too, you said it best.
2008-01-05 21:02 < phed> Schroeder, medicines don't have to be effective. They just have to sell!
2008-01-05 21:02 < Schroeder> What I said: <Schroeder> corporations have every right to produce whatever they want
2008-01-05 21:03 < Schroeder> <Schroeder> the government has no place interfering