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2008-01-04 21:59 < quanticle> fruitbag: Its Yahoo.
2008-01-04 21:59 * quanticle was beaten by TheWeasel
2008-01-04 21:59 < cimon> UninvitedCompany: did you know "jerk" is a real scientific unit?
2008-01-04 21:59 < fruitbag> Is it still Yahoo?
2008-01-04 21:59 < TheWeasel> I'M NOT WORTHY
2008-01-04 21:59 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-04 21:59 < quanticle> cimon: Yeah, its the derivative of acceleration
2008-01-04 21:59 < fruitbag> Hey -- I want search statistics from ask.com
2008-01-04 22:00 < quanticle> cimon: Time derivative, rather
2008-01-04 22:00 < fruitbag> I know how to get them from Google and Yahoo.
2008-01-04 22:00 < fruitbag> I want a site dedicated to search engine statistics.
2008-01-04 22:00 < fruitbag> I have started an interest in them.
2008-01-04 22:00 < quanticle> fruitbag: Isn't that Alexa?
2008-01-04 22:00 < cimon> UninvitedCompany: just registered to WikBat btw.
2008-01-04 22:00 < TheWeasel> Some choose not to reveal them
2008-01-04 22:00 < quanticle> cimon: WikiBat?
2008-01-04 22:01 < cimon> quanticle: UninvitedCompany is running a forums site.
2008-01-04 22:01 < UninvitedCompany> Cimon: I saw. I just approved.
2008-01-04 22:01 < cimon> eggsellent!
2008-01-04 22:01 < cimon> </brittas>
2008-01-04 22:02 < TheWeasel> If I don't go to bed soon, the terrorists will have won.
2008-01-04 22:02 < fruitbag> Wow
2008-01-04 22:02 < fruitbag> Alexa.com is gold
2008-01-04 22:02 < fruitbag> Thanks guys
2008-01-04 22:02 < quanticle> TheWeasel: You mean, "If I don't stay up all night on IRC, the terrorists will have won."
2008-01-04 22:03 < TheWeasel> Defending the Western world from my keyboard!
2008-01-04 22:03 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Heh. Western civilization, more like...
2008-01-04 22:03 < cimon> Anyone see Alien vs. Predator yet?
2008-01-04 22:03 < quanticle> cimon: The original, or Requiem?
2008-01-04 22:03 < TheWeasel> If you wish to call it thus
2008-01-04 22:03 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-04 22:03 < cimon> quanticle: original?
2008-01-04 22:03 < cimon> what is that?
2008-01-04 22:04 < quanticle> cimon: Alien vs. Predator
2008-01-04 22:04 < quanticle> cimon: As opposed to Alien vs. Predator: Requiem
2008-01-04 22:04 < fruitbag> OMG
2008-01-04 22:04 < TheWeasel> a foreign woman and a sexually deranged male?
2008-01-04 22:04 < fruitbag> megaerotic.com is the thirteenth most visited website in the US
2008-01-04 22:04 < fruitbag> haha
2008-01-04 22:04 < fruitbag> youporn.com is the 24th most visited in the UK.
2008-01-04 22:04 < cimon> didn't know there were two already...
2008-01-04 22:05 < quanticle> fruitbag: Thirteenth? That's surprisingly low
2008-01-04 22:05 * cimon is so behind the times.
2008-01-04 22:05 < quanticle> fruitbag: I thought it'd make the top-10
2008-01-04 22:05 < cimon> quanticle: so which have you seen?
2008-01-04 22:05 < quanticle> cimon: The original
2008-01-04 22:05 < cimon> any good?
2008-01-04 22:06 < quanticle> cimon: Its ok, if you like Alien and Predator...
2008-01-04 22:06 < quanticle> cimon: Its not exactly Oscar-quality, if you know what I mean.
2008-01-04 22:06 < fruitbag> I wonder what the most visited porn site is.
2008-01-04 22:06 < fruitbag> heh
2008-01-04 22:06 < cimon> well, I thought the first Alien won an Oscar...
2008-01-04 22:07 < quanticle> fruitbag: grep Alexa for XXX, porn, and sex
2008-01-04 22:07 < TheWeasel> and draw it out, if you're Australian
2008-01-04 22:07 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-01-04 22:07 < fruitbag> quanticle: what about the most pornographic search?
2008-01-04 22:07 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Huh?
2008-01-04 22:08 < TheWeasel> eh, the article above
2008-01-04 22:08 < Ausir> Sean Astin as Twoflower in Discworld miniseries? wtf?
2008-01-04 22:08 < Ausir> why the hell didn't they hire Masi Oka?
2008-01-04 22:08 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Draw it out?
2008-01-04 22:08 < TheWeasel> make it long and enjoyable
2008-01-04 22:08 < cimon> UninvitedCompany: In other news, I noted earlier that I have finally at long last been mentioned by name at wikipedia review.
2008-01-04 22:08 < TheWeasel> No pun intended
2008-01-04 22:08 < UninvitedCompany> cimon: Good for you.
2008-01-04 22:09 < quanticle> cimon: Link or it didn't happen :)
2008-01-04 22:09 < UninvitedCompany> I am in fact quite disappointed that WR doesn't complain about me more.
2008-01-04 22:09 < quanticle> UninvitedCompany: Infamy > Obscurity?
2008-01-04 22:10 < UninvitedCompany> Something like that.
2008-01-04 22:10 < fruitbag> quanticle: how do I get there?
2008-01-04 22:10 < fruitbag> ...how do I get there, sir?
2008-01-04 22:10 < fruitbag> xxx, porn
2008-01-04 22:10 < fruitbag> on alexa.com
2008-01-04 22:10 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-01-04 22:11 < quanticle> fruitbag: Oh. I don't know. I was just kidding about grepping Alexa for XXX, btw
2008-01-04 22:11 * TheWeasel isn't letting the terrorists win
2008-01-04 22:11 < cimon> quanticle: http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=14575&pid=68113&st=120&#entry68113
2008-01-04 22:11 < UninvitedCompany> quanticle: I was trying to get WR to ban me from their site the other day.
2008-01-04 22:11 < Messedrocker> pepto bismol kicks ass!
2008-01-04 22:11 < UninvitedCompany> It didn't work.
2008-01-04 22:11 < UninvitedCompany> I would have been very proud.
2008-01-04 22:12 < Messedrocker> you look too old and mature to do something like that
2008-01-04 22:12 < Messedrocker> seriously you look like my father's age
2008-01-04 22:12 < Messedrocker> (that's a compliment)
2008-01-04 22:12 < cimon> UninvitedCompany: what size of avatars do you seriously like?
2008-01-04 22:13 < quanticle> fruitbag: alexa.com has a search tool
2008-01-04 22:13 < Mike_H> Messedrocker: He isn't that old
2008-01-04 22:13 < Mike_H> My dad is old
2008-01-04 22:13 < fruitbag> quanticle: I want to know popular search keywords on alexa.com
2008-01-04 22:13 < Messedrocker> how old is he?
2008-01-04 22:13 < fruitbag> Any thoughts?
2008-01-04 22:14 < Mike_H> My dad?
2008-01-04 22:14 < Mike_H> 51
2008-01-04 22:14 < Messedrocker> my dad is 53
2008-01-04 22:14 < Mike_H> Isn't UC like 42?
2008-01-04 22:14 < Messedrocker> unsk
2008-01-04 22:14 < Messedrocker> he wins
2008-01-04 22:14 < Messedrocker> for being born earlier
2008-01-04 22:14 < quanticle> fruitbag: No idea...
2008-01-04 22:14 < fruitbag> Any thoughts, man?
2008-01-04 22:15 < Mike_H> Messedrocker: My mom is older
2008-01-04 22:15 < Mike_H> she's 57
2008-01-04 22:15 < Messedrocker> oh snap
2008-01-04 22:15 < Messedrocker> heh, your dad likes the older women
2008-01-04 22:15 < Mike_H> it wasn't a big deal when they married :P
2008-01-04 22:15 * Messedrocker is guessing Mike H is... 24
2008-01-04 22:15 < Mike_H> he was 23 and she was 29
2008-01-04 22:15 < Mike_H> I'm 22.
2008-01-04 22:15 < Messedrocker> ok
2008-01-04 22:15 * quanticle is surprised at the number of Chinese language sites on the Alexa top 100 rankings
2008-01-04 22:16 < FastLizard4> quanticle: You mean you don't know that China is taking over the world?!
2008-01-04 22:17 < Geoff_Plourde> Stupid Question time YEAH!
2008-01-04 22:17 < Mike_H> YEAH!
2008-01-04 22:17 < Geoff_Plourde> Why can't you publicly post logs?
2008-01-04 22:17 < UninvitedCompany> Cimon: I think the limit is 160x160
2008-01-04 22:17 < Mike_H> Geoff_Plourde: Basically so you can't use shit against people
2008-01-04 22:17 < Mike_H> in vendettas and such
2008-01-04 22:17 < Leslie_S> Geoff_Plourde, because you dont want to be publically flogged
2008-01-04 22:18 < Geoff_Plourde> It was just curious about the reasoning
2008-01-04 22:18 < UninvitedCompany> Messedrocker: You can be old and still be immature
2008-01-04 22:19 < Messedrocker> but you *look* so damn mature!
2008-01-04 22:19 < UninvitedCompany> Messedrocker: It's all an act
2008-01-04 22:20 < Messedrocker> http://www.wikback.com/forums/custom_avatars/2.jpg << "I am a tenured professor of English at Yale!"
2008-01-04 22:21 < Geoff_Plourde> I have been playing with an adaptation of Arbcom that would have a sort of small claims session where one Arbitrator would hear the case
2008-01-04 22:21 < Geoff_Plourde> What are thoughts?
2008-01-04 22:21 < Geoff_Plourde> about it?
2008-01-04 22:21 < Krimpet> Messedrocker, my avatar is better :)
2008-01-04 22:21 < Mike_H> http://www.wikback.com/forums/custom_avatars/113.jpg << "I am three women!"
2008-01-04 22:21 < cimon> Geoff_Plourde: I think I once proposed something like that...
2008-01-04 22:22 < cimon> Mike_H: who is the middle bint?
2008-01-04 22:22 < Geoff_Plourde> what happened to it?
2008-01-04 22:22 < cimon> NIH
2008-01-04 22:23 < Mike_H> cimon: [[CariDee English]]
2008-01-04 22:23 < fruitbag> Hey, guys
2008-01-04 22:23 < geniice> I'm a psychopathic killing machine with yocto-second reactions and the ability to punch through a foot of steel
2008-01-04 22:23 < Geoff_Plourde> My proposal would be solely for cases that are too petty for Arbcom but too much of a pain for medcom
2008-01-04 22:23 < UninvitedCompany> Messedrocker: Hardly. I am a college dropout who up until recently ran a cattle farm.
2008-01-04 22:24 < UninvitedCompany> Geoff_Plourde: It's been considered from the very beginning of arbcom and consistently rejected
2008-01-04 22:24 < Messedrocker> "Uninvited Cattle, Inc."
2008-01-04 22:24 < cimon> Geoff_Plourde: maybe the time might be ripe but don't get your hopes up.
2008-01-04 22:24 < quanticle> geniice: When did that happen?
2008-01-04 22:24 < Geoff_Plourde> Univited Company:May i ask why?
2008-01-04 22:25 < Mike_H> cimon: CariDee won Top Model 7
2008-01-04 22:25 < UninvitedCompany> Messedrocker: No, "Crazy Steve's Air Transport, Land, and Cattle Co., Inc."
2008-01-04 22:25 < Geoff_Plourde> ahahaha
2008-01-04 22:25 < UninvitedCompany> Focus having never been one of my strong suits
2008-01-04 22:25 < Mike_H> cimon: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=PSASshpjzXI
2008-01-04 22:25 < Mike_H> That was the moment where she won
2008-01-04 22:27 < UninvitedCompany> Geoff_Plourde: Trust issues within any particular arbcom
2008-01-04 22:27 < Geoff_Plourde> yes
2008-01-04 22:27 < Geoff_Plourde> its a horse and pony show
2008-01-04 22:27 < UninvitedCompany> At no time has the arbcom as a whole trusted all its members
2008-01-04 22:27 < Geoff_Plourde> after all
2008-01-04 22:28 < UninvitedCompany> Messedrocker: Actually, I got tired of pulling calves in the middle of the night.
2008-01-04 22:28 < UninvitedCompany> It's hard to make much money at it if you're not willing to do that.
2008-01-04 22:28 < Geoff_Plourde> Uninvited Company, In your opinion, is WP better off with the Arbcom or was it better under Jimbo?
2008-01-04 22:28 < Messedrocker> you should've licensed your cows out to Mr. Hands instead
2008-01-04 22:29 < UninvitedCompany> Geoff: I think Arbcom generally does better than Jimbo by himself. Also, Jimbo does not scale.
2008-01-04 22:29 < Geoff_Plourde> Scale?
2008-01-04 22:29 < UninvitedCompany> There is only one of him.
2008-01-04 22:30 < UninvitedCompany> He has much to do.
2008-01-04 22:30 < UninvitedCompany> There are, what, 15 arbcom members currently.
2008-01-04 22:30 < Messedrocker> UninvitedCompany, why do farmers sell cow meat and not bull meat?
2008-01-04 22:30 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Bulls are valuable for breeding
2008-01-04 22:31 < UninvitedCompany> Most meat that is worthwhile is from steers; i.e. male animals castrated prior to maturity
2008-01-04 22:31 < Messedrocker> ah
2008-01-04 22:31 < Messedrocker> the alessandro moreschis of animal meat
2008-01-04 22:31 < UninvitedCompany> To a lesser extent, some heifers (female animals that have never borne a calf) are slaughtered
2008-01-04 22:31 < UninvitedCompany> Cows that are sold for slaughter are old, and tough, and usually suitable only for ground beef
2008-01-04 22:32 < UninvitedCompany> Bulls that have been used for breeding, same
2008-01-04 22:32 < UninvitedCompany> Most cow-calf operations castrate all the bull calves at about 4 months of age, except any to be retained for breeding.
2008-01-04 22:32 < UninvitedCompany> In a commercial operation, you end up with one bull per 20 cows, or so.
2008-01-04 22:33 < UninvitedCompany> The steers (castrated bulls) are most valuable when sold. Heifers, slightly less so.
2008-01-04 22:34 < UninvitedCompany> http://cla.crinet.com/page1613/ZumbrotaMarketReport2008-01-03
2008-01-04 22:34 < UninvitedCompany> The prices are per cwt (hundred pounds) so you can see the difference.
2008-01-04 22:35 < Geoff_Plourde> yeah
2008-01-04 22:35 < White_Cat> I want the enterprise
2008-01-04 22:35 < Lycurgus> I want Simulflow
2008-01-04 22:35 < White_Cat> I want it firing phasers at random targets
2008-01-04 22:35 < Geoff_Plourde> its why you can't slaughter breeder hens
2008-01-04 22:35 < Lycurgus> So I can scale.
2008-01-04 22:35 < White_Cat> I want it now
2008-01-04 22:37 < FastLizard4> ¿ʞəɹT ɹɐʇS ʇnoqɐ ɓuɪʞʅɐʇ sɪ oɥW
2008-01-04 22:38 < Messedrocker> shUT up
2008-01-04 22:38 < Messedrocker> read THAT upside down!
2008-01-04 22:39 < FastLizard4> ¿dn TUɥs
2008-01-04 22:39 < FastLizard4> I read it upsidedown, as you told me to...
2008-01-04 22:39 < cimon> UninvitedCompany: hmm. it seems you have TheKohser on your site...
2008-01-04 22:39 < Messedrocker> and slim virgin
2008-01-04 22:39 < UninvitedCompany> Indeed.
2008-01-04 22:40 * Messedrocker is nervous about slimmy virginson
2008-01-04 22:40 < cimon> Messedrocker: well, I think there is a considerable difference between them.
2008-01-04 22:40 < UninvitedCompany> Keeps the place interesting, though it's a lot of work for the hosts
2008-01-04 22:42 < noclip> http://pcjoint.com/imac-at-home-macbook-on-the-road-in-one-package/ <-- daaaaamn
2008-01-04 22:42 * noclip fills out a blank check to steve jobs
2008-01-04 22:42 < NotACow> UninvitedCompany: no kidding
2008-01-04 22:42 < NotACow> UninvitedCompany: and it's not thekohser who is generating all the work, either... :\
2008-01-04 22:43 < Geoff_Plourde> Is slimvirgin dangerous?
2008-01-04 22:43 < Messedrocker> FUCKING WIN!
2008-01-04 22:43 * Messedrocker wants what noclip linked to
2008-01-04 22:44 < UninvitedCompany> Kelly: It is the interplay between certain people who disagree on core issues, who are unaccustomed to having to deal with each other, that makes for a good deal of work.
2008-01-04 22:44 < noclip> Messedrocker: hopefully we'll get it at macworld
2008-01-04 22:45 < noclip> i think it's the slim macbook everyone's been talking about
2008-01-04 22:45 < noclip> the only complaint i have is the chin
2008-01-04 22:45 < Alkivar> most of you know what happens when you expose a magnesium fire to water right?
2008-01-04 22:45 < noclip> dell got rid of the chin for the xps one, why can't apple for imacs?
2008-01-04 22:45 < Alkivar> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f0a_1199440820
2008-01-04 22:45 < Krimpet> I saw a guy with an OLPC a few weeks ago, it was a conversation piece for everyone in the room
2008-01-04 22:46 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Yeah, but unless you can use the iMac without the Macbook docked, its not so great...
2008-01-04 22:47 < noclip> Alkivar: not the brightest firefighter in the world
2008-01-04 22:47 < quanticle> Alkivar: Did he know that it was a magnesium fire?
2008-01-04 22:48 < Messedrocker> quanticle, even if I didn't know, i'd put two and two together
2008-01-04 22:48 < Messedrocker> "hmm... spraying the fire makes it explode. i'll stop spraying it"
2008-01-04 22:48 < Alkivar> yep
2008-01-04 22:48 < kenlyric> maybe you aren't spraying it hard enough.
2008-01-04 22:48 < Alkivar> and typically due to magnesium being in vehicle frame alloy's they spray it with foam not water
2008-01-04 22:48 < kenlyric> spray harder.
2008-01-04 22:49 < Messedrocker> harder faster better stroner
2008-01-04 22:49 < Messedrocker> stronger
2008-01-04 22:49 < noclip> you know what would make a hilarious prank?
2008-01-04 22:49 < noclip> if you connected a firehose being used to fight a fire to a gasoline pump
2008-01-04 22:50 < Messedrocker> :O
2008-01-04 22:50 < Krimpet> it's like the Bowie song. "I've been putting out fire with gasoline..."
2008-01-04 22:50 < Messedrocker> when a body catch a body in the rye
2008-01-04 22:51 < noclip> then get that same firefighter from the video
2008-01-04 22:51 < quanticle> noclip: Heh.
2008-01-04 22:51 < noclip> "it seems to be producing 50-foot fireballs, i should probably turn up the pressure"
2008-01-04 22:52 < quanticle> To be serious though, I didn't know about magnesium allow being in pickup truck frames...
2008-01-04 22:52 < quanticle> *alloy
2008-01-04 22:52 < Alkivar> i could be wrong about that... but i swear i heard that was true
2008-01-04 22:53 < Alkivar> some aluminum/magnesium alloy
2008-01-04 22:53 * Messedrocker bleaches Alkivar's hair
2008-01-04 22:54 < Messedrocker> HAHAHAHA
2008-01-04 22:54 < Messedrocker> I DID IT!!!!
2008-01-04 22:54 < Messedrocker> I DID IT!!!
2008-01-04 22:54 < Messedrocker> I GOT AN ENTRY ON WP:MW
2008-01-04 22:54 < Krimpet> that must be mistaken Messedrocker, you're still here! :o
2008-01-04 22:54 < Messedrocker> krimpet, on wikipedia (like the website) i'm considered "missing"
2008-01-04 22:57 < quanticle> "The Vietname War is now twice as far in the past as the Second World War was at the beginning of the Vietnam War.
2008-01-04 22:57 < quanticle> Another way to look at it: every time you listen to the Beatles or the Who (or when Paul McCartney plays at the Superbowl, etc), it is as if, in 1970, you were listening to folks from 1932-dressing like a flapper, for instance."
2008-01-04 22:59 < phed> heh, funny
2008-01-04 22:59 < phed> one of the first sciences to use statistics was actually paranormal science :P
2008-01-04 22:59 < Random832> um, I'm pretty sure "flappers" are from the 19*20*s - from _before_ the depression
2008-01-04 22:59 < Random832> not 1932
2008-01-04 23:00 < Random832> but - you don't think people listened to music from the 1930s and 40s back in the 70s?
2008-01-04 23:00 < phed> the best thing about the 70s was that they didn't have classical rock
2008-01-04 23:00 < Krimpet> so, picture hillbillies getting blind from depression-era moonshine? :)
2008-01-04 23:00 < Evil_Monkey> quanticle: when was the Vietnam War quote written?
2008-01-04 23:01 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: Its in this blog post: http://crookedtimber.org/2008/01/04/closing-the-books/
2008-01-04 23:01 < Random832> well, given that WWII ended in 1945
2008-01-04 23:01 < Random832> it - oh, it's something recent :P
2008-01-04 23:01 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: Or rather, its in the comments for this blog post
2008-01-04 23:02 * Random832 was going to do some crazy math to figure out exactly for what year that "twice as far in the past" quote is true
2008-01-04 23:02 < Evil_Monkey> quanticle: I was getting confused as to their ending
2008-01-04 23:02 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: Full quote:
2008-01-04 23:02 < quanticle> The Vietname War is now twice as far in the past as the Second World War was at the beginning of the Vietnam War.
2008-01-04 23:02 < Evil_Monkey> they have 1972, while Wikipedia has 1975
2008-01-04 23:02 < quanticle> Another way to look at it: every time you listen to the Beatles or the Who (or when Paul McCartney plays at the Superbowl, etc), it is as if, in 1970, you were listening to folks from 1932-dressing like a flapper, for instance.
2008-01-04 23:02 < quanticle> That should give you an idea of how stagnant Western Culture has been since 1969. The Baby Boomers latched on and haven’t let go, 20 years past the time they should have.
2008-01-04 23:02 < Lunaway> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gerr_butt <-- !admin guy is edit warring past three warnings, up to about 7 reverts, now, please do something
2008-01-04 23:03 < Random832> but, considering that the vietnam war really began pretty much _immediately_ upon the end of WWII, that's probably an underexaggeration
2008-01-04 23:03 < Random832> it's just the US didn't get involved until the 1970s, before that it was the french
2008-01-04 23:03 < Mike_H> quanticle: The Paris Peace Accords were from 1969-1973
2008-01-04 23:03 < Evil_Monkey> [[Vietnam War]] has 1959--1975
2008-01-04 23:03 < Mike_H> they were signed in 1973
2008-01-04 23:03 < quanticle> Random832: The Vietnam war began immediately after the end of WW2, but America didn't get involved until after Korea
2008-01-04 23:03 < Messedrocker> 1959.
2008-01-04 23:03 < Messedrocker> jesus.
2008-01-04 23:03 < Mike_H> and that was when most US troops were pulled out
2008-01-04 23:03 < Mike_H> it did not end until 1975 officially.
2008-01-04 23:03 < Evil_Monkey> "here was a slow build-up to this war from 1954 onwards, with different parties joining combat at various stages; however, the Hanoi Politburo did not make the decision to go to war in the South until 1959."
2008-01-04 23:03 < Mike_H> <Random832> it's just the US didn't get involved until the 1970s, before that it was the french
2008-01-04 23:03 < Mike_H> You mean the 1960s.
2008-01-04 23:04 < Random832> right, 60s
2008-01-04 23:04 < Random832> that's what I meant
2008-01-04 23:04 < UninvitedCompany> quanticle: It's just commercial culture that has stagnaed.
2008-01-04 23:04 < Mike_H> Kennedy was the one who started the plans to get involved, and the first troops went over in 1965.
2008-01-04 23:04 < Random832> but, anyway, typical american thinking, their involvement = the start of the war
2008-01-04 23:04 < Random832> it's depressing how many americans think WWII began in 1941
2008-01-04 23:04 < Mike_H> Random832: Well, a lot of Americans were clueless about that sort of thing
2008-01-04 23:04 < quanticle> Random832: Really? Most Americans can't actually place the beginning of WW2
2008-01-04 23:04 < quanticle> Random832: Or the end, for that matter...
2008-01-04 23:05 < Mike_H> That was an "over there" thing to them
2008-01-04 23:05 < UninvitedCompany> Some of the best liturgical compositions for organ have been written in the last 20 years. More so than anything from 1920-1990. You just have to know where to look.
2008-01-04 23:05 < Mike_H> not something that affected them until 1941.
2008-01-04 23:05 < UninvitedCompany> There are other examples
2008-01-04 23:05 < Random832> some, if challenged, would say "well, it wasn't a WORLD war before that"
2008-01-04 23:05 < UninvitedCompany> Rock and roll has been a wasteland since, oh, about 1975
2008-01-04 23:05 < Mike_H> 1974
2008-01-04 23:05 < Mike_H> 1974 had the worst year in rock and roll ever
2008-01-04 23:05 < Mike_H> I mean, let's look back, shall we?
2008-01-04 23:05 < Mike_H> The Locomotion?
2008-01-04 23:05 < Mike_H> Seasons in the Sun?
2008-01-04 23:05 < Random832> (and america did what, exactly, in the first one?)
2008-01-04 23:05 < Mike_H> I Honestly Love You?
2008-01-04 23:05 < quanticle> Random832: Well, in any case, it makes sense for the quote, since the Vietnam's impact on pop culture began with American involvement
2008-01-04 23:06 < Mike_H> The Night Chicago Died?
2008-01-04 23:06 < Mike_H> BILLY DON'T BE A HERO?!?!
2008-01-04 23:06 < UninvitedCompany> Mike_H: John Denver, the Starland Vocal Band?
2008-01-04 23:06 < Mike_H> Starland Vocal Band was 1976
2008-01-04 23:06 < NotASpy> Don't mention the war. I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it...
2008-01-04 23:06 < UninvitedCompany> True
2008-01-04 23:06 < quanticle> Random832: The first World War?
2008-01-04 23:06 < Random832> quanticle: yeah
2008-01-04 23:06 * Mike_H NP: Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods - Billy, Don't Be a Hero (1974)
2008-01-04 23:06 < Random832> I got the impression that american involvement was a handful of troops mostly attached to british units
2008-01-04 23:06 < Random832> was that impression wrong?
2008-01-04 23:06 < Mike_H> UninvitedCompany: My dad loves the band Rolling Stone called "the worst American band of the 20th century"
2008-01-04 23:06 < quanticle> Random832: Not much. We put in a token effort and became the straw that broke the German back...
2008-01-04 23:06 < UninvitedCompany> Their hit was the quintessential piece of mindless ear candy
2008-01-04 23:07 < Evil_Monkey> Random832: Though it wasn't until 1941 that USSR and USA entered (ignoring USSR invading Poland)
2008-01-04 23:07 < Lycurgus> actually US troop involvement in VN began in 1962
2008-01-04 23:07 < Mike_H> UninvitedCompany: and yes, that was supposed to be a pun
2008-01-04 23:07 < Mike_H> "American band" = Grand Funk Railroad
2008-01-04 23:07 < Lycurgus> wasn't a pop-culture issue until 678
2008-01-04 23:07 < Lycurgus> *67/8
2008-01-04 23:07 < Mike_H> Lycurgus: The first large troop movements started in 1965.
2008-01-04 23:07 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: Heck, the war in the Pacific actually started somewhere around 1936, when Japan invaded Manchuria...
2008-01-04 23:07 < Mike_H> Surely troops were there before
2008-01-04 23:08 < Mike_H> but large numbers of them did not move in until 1965.
2008-01-04 23:08 < Evil_Monkey> quanticle: true
2008-01-04 23:08 < Mike_H> quanticle: I believe they invaded in 1931.
2008-01-04 23:08 < Krimpet> 1974 did have one of the last good albums by the Rolling Stones, at least
2008-01-04 23:08 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: WW2 was really two separate wars. It was US + Russia against Germany on one side, and US vs. Japan on the other.
2008-01-04 23:08 < Lycurgus> Mike_H: yes, I know I was in 6th and 7th grade. Vietname wasn't a issue politically even at that point.
2008-01-04 23:08 < Mike_H> Lycurgus: Yeah, not until '67 or '68
2008-01-04 23:08 < Mike_H> as you said
2008-01-04 23:08 < quanticle> Mike_H: Hmmm. You might be right. I'm kinda fuzzy on that part.
2008-01-04 23:08 < Mike_H> my bad
2008-01-04 23:08 < Mike_H> :)
2008-01-04 23:09 < Evil_Monkey> quanticle: plus some help from the British Empire on both sides :-)
2008-01-04 23:09 < Mike_H> My mother had 25 close friends of hers shipped off in 1968
2008-01-04 23:09 < Mike_H> guess how many came back alive in 1970?
2008-01-04 23:09 < Random832> quanticle: don't forget the chinese civil war (and both sides fighting japan) going on at the same time
2008-01-04 23:09 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: Not much help. The British were getting trounced until America chose to intervene.
2008-01-04 23:10 < Mike_H> Lycurgus: You want to wager a guess?
2008-01-04 23:10 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: Dunkirk anyone?
2008-01-04 23:10 < Random832> quanticle: he's not talking about the british. he's talking about canada and australia
2008-01-04 23:10 < Evil_Monkey> quanticle: and Singapore
2008-01-04 23:10 < Lycurgus> about what?
2008-01-04 23:10 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> My mother had 25 close friends of hers shipped off in 1968
2008-01-04 23:10 * Random832 presumes
2008-01-04 23:10 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> guess how many came back alive in 1970?
2008-01-04 23:10 < Evil_Monkey> Random832: and South Africa, NZ, India
2008-01-04 23:10 < quanticle> Random832: That's what I'm talking about. The Japanese invasion of Manchuria is the beginning of the Pacific theater of WW2, IMHO...
2008-01-04 23:10 < Random832> right, right
2008-01-04 23:11 < Lycurgus> probably at least 20
2008-01-04 23:11 < Random832> did japan ever invade australia?
2008-01-04 23:11 < quanticle> Random832: No.
2008-01-04 23:11 < Mike_H> Lycurgus: That's a bit...
2008-01-04 23:11 < Mike_H> hopeful.
2008-01-04 23:11 < Mike_H> But no.
2008-01-04 23:11 < Mike_H> Take off the "0."
2008-01-04 23:11 < Evil_Monkey> But I agree that it really was USSR and USA who did the majority of the fighting
2008-01-04 23:11 < Evil_Monkey> Random832: bombed Darwin
2008-01-04 23:11 < Evil_Monkey> Midget subs in Sydney harbour
2008-01-04 23:11 < Random832> well of course they _bombed_ it - they bombed hawaii
2008-01-04 23:12 < Mike_H> All of them had died except for two. One had mental problems due to the combat and the other had a leg blown off.
2008-01-04 23:12 < Random832> they bombed everything they could reach
2008-01-04 23:12 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: The Japanese bombed a lot of places that they didn't invade
2008-01-04 23:12 < Lycurgus> well there were 50-60K casualties but maybe a million or more that served there
2008-01-04 23:12 < NotACow> http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2005/03/dunbar_altruist.html
2008-01-04 23:13 < cimon> Mike_H: if there is any country that has had it rougher than finland historically, in terms of being used as a trampling ground and pawn, that country has to be poland.
2008-01-04 23:13 < Mike_H> cimon: Oh, I agree
2008-01-04 23:13 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Right. I'm always bemused to hear the moaning in the US about 4k casualties when Vietnam had over 60k before it was over. Then I realize that the army today is less than 10% of the size of the army in Vietnam...
2008-01-04 23:13 < Evil_Monkey> Bombing of Darwin is/was a big thing in Australia
2008-01-04 23:13 < Evil_Monkey> "a greater number of bombs were dropped on Darwin than were used in the attack on Pearl Harbor"
2008-01-04 23:13 < Evil_Monkey> according to [[Bombing of Darwin (February 1942)]]
2008-01-04 23:14 < Messedrocker> yeah, f-bombs
2008-01-04 23:14 < Mike_H> quanticle: Did you just say that the US only had 4,000 people die in Vietnam?
2008-01-04 23:14 < Mike_H> Wasn't it a lot more than that?
2008-01-04 23:14 < quanticle> cimon: Pre-unification Germany (aka. Holy Roman Empire) would also figure pretty high on that list...
2008-01-04 23:14 < cimon> Evil_Monkey: I bet they cheered in that city where they held the Scopes Monkey trial though... <j/k>
2008-01-04 23:14 < quanticle> Mike_H: No, I said the US had 4000 die in Iraq
2008-01-04 23:14 < Mike_H> oh, okay
2008-01-04 23:14 < Lycurgus> most americans don't even know that the war that killed the most americans was the civil war
2008-01-04 23:15 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Heh. There were as many killed in individual battles in the Civil War as there were killed in the entirety of Vietnam
2008-01-04 23:15 < White_Cat> Lycurgus not true
2008-01-04 23:15 < White_Cat> half of those were yankees
2008-01-04 23:15 < White_Cat> the other half
2008-01-04 23:15 < White_Cat> well
2008-01-04 23:15 < quanticle> White_Cat: Well, they were all Americans afterwards, so they still count.
2008-01-04 23:15 < Lycurgus> you know
2008-01-04 23:15 < White_Cat> no one even remebers what they are called
2008-01-04 23:16 < Krimpet> White_Cat: both halves were Americans
2008-01-04 23:16 < White_Cat> Krimpet neither were american
2008-01-04 23:16 < White_Cat> half were the union
2008-01-04 23:16 < quanticle> White_Cat: Confederates? Southerners? Rebels?
2008-01-04 23:16 < White_Cat> other the confederation
2008-01-04 23:16 < cimon> White_Cat: confederates, or rebels
2008-01-04 23:16 < White_Cat> COnfies
2008-01-04 23:16 < White_Cat> yes
2008-01-04 23:16 < White_Cat> confies
2008-01-04 23:16 < White_Cat> :P
2008-01-04 23:16 < quanticle> White_Cat: Dixies?
2008-01-04 23:16 < White_Cat> Yes Dixies would be the slang
2008-01-04 23:17 < cimon> didn't the yankees have any dysphemisms for them though?
2008-01-04 23:17 < Krimpet> either way a ton of people died that didn't have to. :/
2008-01-04 23:17 < cimon> like damn-yankee
2008-01-04 23:17 < White_Cat> Yanks
2008-01-04 23:17 < Messedrocker> <Lycurgus> most americans don't even know that the war that killed the most americans was the civil war << well of course; the casualties on both sides were americans
2008-01-04 23:17 < quanticle> cimon: Johnny Reb?
2008-01-04 23:17 < cimon> White_Cat: I meant the other way.
2008-01-04 23:17 < Mike_H> Those damn Yankees
2008-01-04 23:17 < White_Cat> US Civil War was not very civil
2008-01-04 23:17 < cimon> Johnny Reb is sorta weak, isn't it?
2008-01-04 23:17 < Mike_H> that word is still alive and well down here
2008-01-04 23:17 < Messedrocker> johnny reid edwards
2008-01-04 23:17 < Messedrocker> johnny cage!
2008-01-04 23:17 < Messedrocker> FIGHT!
2008-01-04 23:18 < White_Cat> Lots of [[WP:CIVIL]] vios throughout the war
2008-01-04 23:18 < Random832> generally the contemporaneous terms were variations on "rebel"
2008-01-04 23:18 < quanticle> Mike_H: Yank, or Johnny Reb?
2008-01-04 23:18 < Mike_H> Yankee
2008-01-04 23:18 < Mike_H> never "Yank"
2008-01-04 23:18 < Mike_H> I'm not British
2008-01-04 23:18 < White_Cat> why do they call it civil war
2008-01-04 23:18 < Mike_H> it's Yankee
2008-01-04 23:18 < White_Cat> its hardly civil
2008-01-04 23:18 < Random832> Mike_H: and in spanish, it's yanquí
2008-01-04 23:18 < cimon> funny the origin of Yankee
2008-01-04 23:18 < cimon> Jan Kees
2008-01-04 23:18 < Krimpet> there's plenty of words up here for southerners, too :)
2008-01-04 23:18 < cimon> Johnny Cheese.
2008-01-04 23:18 < White_Cat> Krimpet name some
2008-01-04 23:18 * Random832 isn't sure if there's actually an accent on the 'i'
2008-01-04 23:19 < quanticle> Random832: And in Japanese its gaijin. Though gaijin more properly means outsider, no?
2008-01-04 23:19 < Mike_H> I think there is
2008-01-04 23:19 < Mike_H> quanticle: I thought gaijin meant "foreign person"
2008-01-04 23:19 < Random832> that's not the same word though
2008-01-04 23:19 < White_Cat> Mike_H thats why
2008-01-04 23:19 < cimon> the idea behind yankee is that all northeners are dutch cheese eating surrender monkeys.
2008-01-04 23:19 < White_Cat> you think too much
2008-01-04 23:19 < Mike_H> "jin" is "person"
2008-01-04 23:19 < Random832> yanqui is - if i was jut going to call out a random word that is used for americans, I'd have said "gringo"
2008-01-04 23:19 < White_Cat> cimon I think history verified the contrary
2008-01-04 23:19 < quanticle> Mike_H: I figured it meant something like "outsider"
2008-01-04 23:20 < White_Cat> I think the south had terrible aim
2008-01-04 23:20 < Mike_H> Well, a foreign person usually is
2008-01-04 23:20 < Random832> "outside-person" would be a rigorously literal translation
2008-01-04 23:20 < Krimpet> White_Cat: surely, as a wikipedia editor, you'd know to refer to [[List of ethnic slurs]] :P
2008-01-04 23:20 < Random832> it is the same kanji they use for outside
2008-01-04 23:20 < White_Cat> how do you bombard a fort and not kill or injure a single soul
2008-01-04 23:20 < White_Cat> Krimpet Yankee is not an ethcnicity
2008-01-04 23:20 < quanticle> White_Cat: They were "warning shots"
2008-01-04 23:20 < White_Cat> quanticle the intention was to kill
2008-01-04 23:20 < Krimpet> White_Cat: well, it's on there
2008-01-04 23:21 < cimon> White_Cat The Russians did quite a good show of bombing Helsinki during the war...
2008-01-04 23:21 < White_Cat> Krimpet {{subst:afd}}
2008-01-04 23:21 < cimon> or rather a rather poor showing...
2008-01-04 23:21 < White_Cat> '''delete''' Dixie propoganda --~~~~
2008-01-04 23:21 < quanticle> White_Cat: Well, to be fair, the fort was offshore, and cannon in those days weren't the cannon we have today
2008-01-04 23:21 < Lycurgus> "yankee" means at least three differnt things: 1) outside america, an america; 2) in the South a person from the North, 3) anywhere else a New Englander.
2008-01-04 23:21 < White_Cat> quanticle we dont have cannon today
2008-01-04 23:21 < Lycurgus> *an american
2008-01-04 23:21 < White_Cat> we have cruse missles
2008-01-04 23:21 < quanticle> cimon: Heh. And the Finns did a remarkable job of holding off the Red Army.
2008-01-04 23:22 < quanticle> White_Cat: Then what do you call those long tubes we mount on tanks?
2008-01-04 23:22 < White_Cat> I call them lollypops
2008-01-04 23:22 < Lycurgus> sucker
2008-01-04 23:22 < White_Cat> if you lick them long enough sticky yet tasty stuff comes out
2008-01-04 23:23 < White_Cat> the explosion is to die for
2008-01-04 23:23 * quanticle isn't going there
2008-01-04 23:23 < Mike_H> technically in America, especially the South, it's very
2008-01-04 23:23 < Mike_H> "anything above the Mason-Dixon"
2008-01-04 23:23 < Mike_H> but I would consider someone from Delaware a Yankee
2008-01-04 23:23 < Mike_H> likewise, someone from Maryland
2008-01-04 23:23 < quanticle> Mike_H: Maryland isn't Yankee. MD was a border state during the war...
2008-01-04 23:23 < cimon> quanticle the story about helsinki is that there is an island very close to helsinki that has nearly identical shorelines, so they lit fires there, and built fake buildings there, and the russian bombers dropped their loads there, with very few noticing the ruse.
2008-01-04 23:23 < Random832> artillery pieces are legitimately still referred to as cannons
2008-01-04 23:23 < Mike_H> quanticle: If Maryland doesn't have yokels named Billy Bob Jim Joe who spit tobaccy, they're Yankee.
2008-01-04 23:23 < White_Cat> Random832 no
2008-01-04 23:23 < Random832> e.g. a howitzer
2008-01-04 23:24 < White_Cat> they are called arties
2008-01-04 23:24 < Alkivar> http://media.audiojunkies.com/riaa-comic-foxtrot-1.jpg
2008-01-04 23:24 < Alkivar> LOL
2008-01-04 23:24 < Mike_H> My father considers Marylanders Yankees
2008-01-04 23:24 < Mike_H> he's from Virginia
2008-01-04 23:24 < Random832> [[Template:Cannon]] begs to differ
2008-01-04 23:24 < Lycurgus> what drew them to the Potemkin island instead of the real one?
2008-01-04 23:24 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Helsinki_in_World_War_II
2008-01-04 23:24 < quanticle> Mike_H: The only reason Maryland qualifies as Yankee is because its practically a suburb of Washington DC these days
2008-01-04 23:25 < Mike_H> quanticle: My dad is from a suburb of DC
2008-01-04 23:25 < Mike_H> but his parents are from the hills of Virginia, very hick and Southern
2008-01-04 23:25 < LuciferTiger> lol the link was a good one
2008-01-04 23:25 < LuciferTiger> the previous one that is
2008-01-04 23:25 < White_Cat> Random832 Template:Cannon would not be able to distinguish a random comment from Mike_H
2008-01-04 23:25 < quanticle> Alkivar: Nice.
2008-01-04 23:26 < White_Cat> Alkivar what was your credit card again?
2008-01-04 23:26 < White_Cat> I am going to get all congressman Nintendo DS's
2008-01-04 23:26 < quanticle> Lycurgus: The fact that the Potemkin island had a similar coastline and had a city's worth of fake buildings erected
2008-01-04 23:27 < quanticle> White_Cat: Why those?
2008-01-04 23:27 < Lycurgus> i guess at night they could turn out the lights in the real one
2008-01-04 23:27 < White_Cat> quanticle I am sick of playing those games and yet not complete the darn pokedex
2008-01-04 23:27 < White_Cat> Nouoo I need to trade! :(
2008-01-04 23:28 < quanticle> White_Cat: But how would giving Congresscritters DS's solve that?
2008-01-04 23:28 < Lycurgus> bbiab
2008-01-04 23:28 < White_Cat> Do you know the nearest location for a Nintendo event?
2008-01-04 23:28 < White_Cat> there is none in the 4000 mile radius
2008-01-04 23:28 < quanticle> On the plus side, though, the Congresspeople would be too busy playing Nintendo to actually pass any laws...
2008-01-04 23:29 < quanticle> Hmmm...
2008-01-04 23:29 * quanticle checks bank account balance
2008-01-04 23:29 < quanticle> Damn
2008-01-04 23:30 < White_Cat> quanticle
2008-01-04 23:30 < White_Cat> they dont pass any laws
2008-01-04 23:30 < White_Cat> they argue each other to death
2008-01-04 23:31 < quanticle> White_Cat: And the DMCA passed itself, then?
2008-01-04 23:31 < White_Cat> that used to be the case
2008-01-04 23:32 < White_Cat> recently they waste quality CSPAN time
2008-01-04 23:32 < White_Cat> Do you know what they show on cspan when conress aint working?
2008-01-04 23:32 < quanticle> White_Cat: I'd rather have them wasting CSPAN time than mucking things up
2008-01-04 23:32 < quanticle> White_Cat: Reruns of Congress?
2008-01-04 23:32 < White_Cat> quanticle yes
2008-01-04 23:32 < White_Cat> I love reruns
2008-01-04 23:32 < Evil_Monkey> how to make a news story out of nothing - "Hillary Clinton would nominate her husband for the high court, scholar suggests"
2008-01-04 23:32 < White_Cat> quanticle imagine republicans and democrats fighting
2008-01-04 23:32 < Leslie_S> lol, cspan reruns
2008-01-04 23:33 < quanticle> White_Cat: Best of Senate Debates 2007?
2008-01-04 23:33 < White_Cat> but this time in pokemon battles
2008-01-04 23:33 < Leslie_S> White_Cat, i saw a rerun of the nixon vs kennedy debate on cspan in 2004.
2008-01-04 23:33 < White_Cat> quanticle exactly
2008-01-04 23:33 * quanticle chooses Hillary
2008-01-04 23:33 < White_Cat> the good stuff
2008-01-04 23:33 < Leslie_S> the first presidential debate that was televised
2008-01-04 23:33 < Leslie_S> :P
2008-01-04 23:33 < Evil_Monkey> CNN is turning into a women's magazine. They might as well quote "unnamed friends"
2008-01-04 23:33 < White_Cat> Evil_Monkey
2008-01-04 23:33 < White_Cat> CNN is a womens magazine
2008-01-04 23:33 < White_Cat> only now they actualy do it properly
2008-01-04 23:33 < quanticle> White_Cat: If Congresspeople were Pokemon, then what would each of their attacks be?
2008-01-04 23:34 < White_Cat> quanticle splash
2008-01-04 23:34 < White_Cat> and sand attack
2008-01-04 23:34 < White_Cat> tail whip
2008-01-04 23:34 < quanticle> White_Cat: Toss mud
2008-01-04 23:34 < White_Cat> no
2008-01-04 23:34 < White_Cat> that does actual damage
2008-01-04 23:34 < Krimpet> I stopped getting my "news" from CNN during the period they were dedicating 90% of their coverage to the death of Anna Nicole Smith
2008-01-04 23:34 < LuciferTiger> beat bush
2008-01-04 23:34 < quanticle> White_Cat: Unfounded allegation
2008-01-04 23:34 < Evil_Monkey> Ted Stevens would bore you to death with a story of his youth
2008-01-04 23:34 < LuciferTiger> and not the dubya kinds
2008-01-04 23:34 < White_Cat> ANS
2008-01-04 23:34 < White_Cat> Evil_Monkey
2008-01-04 23:35 < quanticle> White_Cat: Don't forget papercut
2008-01-04 23:35 < White_Cat> Ted Stevens cant bore me
2008-01-04 23:35 < quanticle> White_Cat: And Confuse
2008-01-04 23:35 < White_Cat> I always have an adequate supply of Quantum leap
2008-01-04 23:35 < quanticle> White_Cat: Ted Stevens has mastered Confuse...
2008-01-04 23:35 < White_Cat> Evil_Monkey I sometime imagine/fantacise leaping into other peoples lives
2008-01-04 23:35 < White_Cat> Evil_Monkey you would be a scary person to leap into
2008-01-04 23:36 * Evil_Monkey is watching cricket while typing on laptop
2008-01-04 23:36 < Evil_Monkey> terrifying
2008-01-04 23:36 < White_Cat> Evil_Monkey why would anyone want to watch a bug?
2008-01-04 23:37 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: The insect, or the sport?
2008-01-04 23:37 < Ashfire908> is blah an attack?
2008-01-04 23:37 < White_Cat> Bug watching is your hobby?
2008-01-04 23:37 < White_Cat> Ashfire908 snore is
2008-01-04 23:37 < Evil_Monkey> the sport
2008-01-04 23:37 < White_Cat> Bug watching is a sport now?
2008-01-04 23:37 * Evil_Monkey awaits comments that the insect would be more interesting
2008-01-04 23:37 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: Why is it terrifying?
2008-01-04 23:37 < quanticle> Evil_Monkey: I rather like cricket...
2008-01-04 23:37 < Evil_Monkey> quanticle: "<White_Cat> Evil_Monkey you would be a scary person to leap into"
2008-01-04 23:37 < White_Cat> Evil_Monkey if the bug terrifies you why not shoot it with a shotgun?
2008-01-04 23:37 < White_Cat> Evil_Monkey oh
2008-01-04 23:38 < Ashfire908> lol
2008-01-04 23:38 < White_Cat> I just meant correcting whats wrong would be a scary task
2008-01-04 23:40 < LuciferTiger> on the topic of correcting wrongs...
2008-01-04 23:40 < TimStarling> hey... does anyone here use <onlyinclude>?
2008-01-04 23:40 < LuciferTiger> http://qdb.us/117518
2008-01-04 23:40 < White_Cat> TimStarling onlyinclude?
2008-01-04 23:40 < White_Cat> did you mean <includeonly> ?
2008-01-04 23:41 < White_Cat> I use it often
2008-01-04 23:41 < White_Cat> especialy for categories in templates
2008-01-04 23:41 < TimStarling> well, see, there is includeonly and noinclude, which are OK
2008-01-04 23:41 < TimStarling> and then there is onlyinclude, which is a bastard
2008-01-04 23:41 < Krimpet> I've never seen <onlyinclude> used anywhere before
2008-01-04 23:41 < TimStarling> so I'm wondering if anyone uses it
2008-01-04 23:41 < White_Cat> what is <onlyinclude>?
2008-01-04 23:41 < White_Cat> TimStarling I may start using it
2008-01-04 23:41 < TimStarling> I'm not sure I want to tell you
2008-01-04 23:41 < White_Cat> now you mention it
2008-01-04 23:42 < White_Cat> TimStarling try me
2008-01-04 23:42 < TimStarling> I don't actually want anyone to use it
2008-01-04 23:42 < White_Cat> TimStarling I will tell whats best for the wiki
2008-01-04 23:42 < White_Cat> which is what you want to do
2008-01-04 23:42 < TimStarling> well, maybe if I figure out a decent way to reimplement support for it in the new parser...
2008-01-04 23:42 * kmccoy smacks White_Cat around.
2008-01-04 23:42 < Evil_Monkey> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3APOV-section&diff=179251968&oldid=176816367
2008-01-04 23:43 < Evil_Monkey> vandal usage of <includeonly>
2008-01-04 23:43 < amidaniel> How does onlyinclude differ from inclueonly?
2008-01-04 23:44 < White_Cat> TimStarling correcting what once went wrong is what we are out here to do
2008-01-04 23:44 < TimStarling> "A<onlyinclude>B</onlyinclude>C" is equivalent to "<noinclude>A</noinclude>B<noinclude>C</noinclude>
2008-01-04 23:44 < White_Cat> oh
2008-01-04 23:44 < amidaniel> Oh, oh, i c
2008-01-04 23:44 < Krimpet> that sounds potentially yucky
2008-01-04 23:44 < amidaniel> Can't imagine any worthwhile uses of it
2008-01-04 23:44 < White_Cat> TimStarling so why is it such an issue
2008-01-04 23:44 < White_Cat> I can see its use on templates
2008-01-04 23:45 < amidaniel> White_Cat: Could make an entire article disappear and have no one know why :)
2008-01-04 23:45 < White_Cat> amidaniel nope